Monday, January 30, 2012

GBC guru program is all about money

Analysis of the Cheater


It's always been amazing to me how the cheating propensity is so prominent among ISKCON leadership. Some even mean well but just can't help themselves, while others have a dark evil side that rises to the surface to devour them completely.

The fear factor seems to be influencing these cheaters to the extent of covering over their intelligence. There's no shortage of well read leaders who've studied Srila Prabhupada's books, but when it comes to fairness in dealing with devotees or subordinates they change into a greedy nasty wolf wanting to eat the three little pigs.

They're obviously doing something wrong because they are not receiving the mercy or graces of the Lord. What are the graces of the Lord? It is stated in Srimad Bhagavatam 3.23.7 that the graces of the Lord are abhya, free from fearfulness. In the material world, if someone accumulates a million dollars, he is always full of fear because he is always thinking, what if the money is lost? But the benediction of the Lord, bhagavat-prasada, is never to be lost.

This simple understanding seems to have eluded the ISKCON imitating ‘gurus'. Most know they're not a maha-bhagavat or pure devotee of Srila Prabhupada's caliber, but they still fearfully scoop up the dough and stash it outside of ISKCON's authority. They're not supposed to do this, but the GBC is weak when it comes to enforcement of their own "resolutions". Add to that the fact that many also have hidden bank accounts. Justice amongst thieves is impossible.

The fear of losing their security in the form of liquid cash makes it difficult for sleeping at night. Because most of them will not receive social security and have given most of their life, unsuccessfully, trying to develop their Krsna consciousness, they have little material security to fall back on. Becoming broke in their late 50's or 60's is just too much anxiety, so they continue their deceitful ways, hoping to get past their fear, or they die.

Srila Prabhupada continues: "when one achieves the grace of the Lord, the result is thatsarva-duhkhani, all distresses, are destroyed. When situated in the transcendental position, one is freed from the two kinds of material diseases-hankering and lamentation."

I'm certainly not on the level to actually see the distress of these 100 or so preposterous counterfeit gentlemen. Some like Umapati literally have no shame, but by seeing through shastra, it's easy to see they have not actually received the mercy or grace of the Lord. Otherwise, the ISKCON Srila Prabhupada left us wouldn't be in such a mess.

Gaura Govinda maharaja's "tradition"

PADA: Gaura Govinda maharaja specifically challenged me for my saying to him that -- I am promoting Srila Prabhupada as the guru. He said my idea is the bogus ritvik concoction because "there is no living person" in my preaching program.

Apparently GGM thought I was dead already?

I said, I am preaching, yet He told me, there is no live person in my preaching idea? Hmmm, except I am alive right now, he is not? It now seems like he is the dead guy and I am the live guy here?

If "being alive" is all we need to have to be bona fide, all the ritiks are alive and GGM is dead? Is this the way someone should greet his God brother, "You are already dead and I am not"? Where does he get this foolishness from, ... you are dead and I am not? Worse, GGM said to me he "follows the tradition."

GGM is the star cheer leader of "the tradition" of being voted in at the re-coronation of a known homosexual pedophile posing as Vishnupada in 1986, as GGM is.

GGM is in "the tradition" of the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children. Where is this tradition found?

No wonder then -- most of GGM followers ran off to Narayana Maharaja, whose 1997 "guru tattva" book says "there was nothing wrong" with their 1936 homosexual guru who had dissenters banned, beaten and killed and this was giving their matha bad newspaper media. There is nothing wrong with whacking off devotees,... murder is not wrong even? What tradition is this?

This guru later died by drinking cyanide. His child was murdered by his wife to save the reputation of the matha since the child was going to expose that the wife was a prostitute, and so the guru drank the same poison and died.

Narayana Maharaja sees "nothing wrong" with homosexuals posing as gurus, children being killed with poison, and acharyas killing themselves with cyanide and so forth? There is nothing wrong with banning, beating and assassinating devotees?

There is nothing wrong with homosexuals posing as acharyas and having dissenters murdered? No wonder this all happened in ISKCON, these people do not even think any of this is wrong, rather they claim this is "the tradition." ys pd

Sunday, January 29, 2012

Taking sins like Jesus is not for neophytes

PADA: More and more ISKCON temples are sort of "allowing" our associates to go there and do service, because there is basically not many folks left there, its come down to, in certain instances, they need us and our services. So there is a sort of amalgamation taking place by grass roots. In some places like Malaysia we have the big temples and they need to come to our places. So a sort of mixture is occuring gradually. As for diksha, the diksha guru has to be a pure devotee because he has to absorb the sins of his followers, like Jesus is doing. Srila Prabhupada says when a neophyte tries to take the post of acharya / messiah / Jesus and he absorbs the sins of others without having the sufficient brahmana tejyas to burn off those sins, those sins will drag him down, so -- unless he is an uttama who has the purity to burn them off, they will stick on him and take him down. A neophyte does not have to power to absorb the sins of others, so those sins will make him deteriorate. This is explained in the Nectar Of Instruction, by imitation one will eventually become degraded, not maybe, will become degraded, because one has to be very powerful to accept the sins of others, or those sins will bring him down, and he will degrade. Jayatirtha almost took my breath away when I passed by him, he was covered with so many sins he had an aura of dark energy, he was like a ball of darkness. Satsvarupa was told by a psychic he is covered by a dark cloud, etc. so unless one is pure he cannot give diksha, he will have troubles, such as getting very sick and falling down, as occurs left, right and center with such attempts. The diksha guru has to be pure, otherwise taking sins without being pure means one is imitating Jesus, this is not acceptable. And that is why we see these people in trouble over and over and over. ys pd    

Lokanatha disciple should be punished


RE: Gaura Govinda maharaja

PADA: Yes, Gaura Govinda maharaja was another deviant who supported the GBC gurus. He told me in person that he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with them (the GBC gurus)." Anyway, here is a video I made of my meeting with him:

This is another "pure devotee" according to people like Narayan Maharaja and CC crackers, because GGM was "voted in as guru" at the March 1986 recoronation of Bhavananda.

Gaura Govinda is one of the few "acharyas" to be voted in at the simultaneous re-instatement of a known sexual deviant and molester posing as an acharya. Bhavananda was having sex with taxi drivers in Vrndavana, and Gaura Govinda maharaja fell off his chair and licked Bhavananda's feet so he could get his guru certification from this sabha. ys pd

Saturday, January 28, 2012

Nomenclature or Substance?

Nomenclature or Substance?

Sattvic Dāsa [ACBSP] – Calcutta: Dear Maharaja and Prabhus. Dear devotees of the Lord. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. I write this with a straw in my mouth. It’s been 35 years since the departure of our beloved Spiritual Master His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

What happened to his Institution? Our God-brothers in the position of GBC had a very important role to play in the preservation and expansion of ISKCON. They had been given the responsibility to be the “Watch dogs”, to be the one who would bark the loudest if any transgression had taken place. Why have they failed?

Since Srila Prabhupada’s departure we have witnessed the gradual disintegration and corruption of this wonderful society, a society that is meant to unfold the prediction of ten thousand years of spiritual awakening in human society.

Spiritual life begins with a submissive attitude of inquiry and service to the Spiritual Master.

The Spiritual Master is the via-media between the conditioned soul and Sri Krishna the Absolute Truth. The Spiritual Master ensures that the disciple is finally delivered from the clutches of repeated births and deaths in this material world. Srila Prabhupada taught us that The Spiritual Master is free from the defects of human nature (committing mistakes, propensity to cheat, imperfect senses and subject to illusion). Why then there have been so many downfalls? Why have the GBC not protected the most important institution in Vedic society? Why have they allowed conditioned souls with all of the above mentioned imperfections to sit on the most exalted seat, the Vyasasana, the seat of Sri Vyasadeva?

It’s obvious that a great mistake has been made, a mistake that has destroyed the faith of countless devotees not only in Srila Prabhupada and his society but also their faith in Sri Krishna. A great disservice has been done.

So many devotees service has been destroyed; so many good devotees have been thrown out of their father’s house by unscrupulous and callous leaders. Why?

When the GBC met Srila Prabhupada in Vrindavana in 1977 they very aware that His Divine Grace could have left the world any time soon giving his poor health. They asked him many questions. One very important question was regarding initiations “specifically at the time when he was no longer with us”.

Srila Prabhupada spoke about Officiating Acharyas and he also spoke about that there could be “regular gurus” had his order being received.

The only regular Guru we know is Srila Prabhupada or someone on his level of realization and purity. A self-realized soul free from the above mentioned human defects. And then we have the officiating Acharyas or those who were supposed to initiate on his behalf.

That they were to initiate on his behalf before his physical departure is not an issue. Everyone agrees with that. Our GBC’s only choices then were only really two, continue to initiate on his behalf or accept that the initiator Spiritual Master was a “regular” one, a Vaisnava on the topmost level of spiritual realization, a resident of Goloka Vrindavana, an intimate associate of Sri Sri Radha Krishna.

In fact there was an attempt to fool all of us into believing that the original 11 Acharyas were indeed on that platform. Those who objected were ruthlessly removed, persecuted, beaten and even murdered by the power that be.

In 1987 there was an attempt to reform and a meeting was convened in Sridham Mayapur where a 50 men committee was established to review the guru issue and find a solution to the problem. However the greatest hoax in human history was conceived by distributing the poison of Guru ambition to all thereby disintegrating the very fabric of Vaisnava culture.

Subsequently laws were concocted to contain the ongoing degradation thereby deepening their involvement in the greatest aparadha ever committed.

We want answers, we deserve answers. Our duty is to speak the truth. If we don’t know it then we cannot concoct one to suit our interests. What is the truth? Thousands of devotees have taken initiation again and again because they had faith in the leadership of ISKCON, believing that is what Srila Prabhupada established. That faith has been betrayed. This is a great sin.

Are the GBC ready to stand by their commitment and vouch that those who are in the position of Spiritual Master are indeed “regular” gurus taking the responsibility of delivering the disciples back home back to Godhead? If not the next question is who delivers the disciples from the clutches of material nature? Who takes the responsibility of taking them back to the spiritual Kingdom?

I know the answer and I am at peace with it. But what about all the devotees who have been told lies after lies? What about them finally getting some straight answers?

If Srila Prabhupada is accepted as the deliverer guru as rumors are spreading that that is indeed accepted by many of the GBC then the answer is self evident. Srila Prabhupada is the Spiritual Master and they are his disciples. I am not attached to nomenclature even though the word ritvik has been spoken by Srila Prabhupada. The fact is however that if Srila Prabhupada is the dispenser of Divya Jnana and the remover of the sinful reactions then he is the Diksha guru. Diksha means just that.

The next question is what is the role of those who gives the name and performs the fire sacrifice? They can’t certainly be gurus for they simply perform the formality of initiation.

What is their position then? I know the answer of this question also. However over the years the word ritvik has been so demonized that the simple hearing of that word creates a sense of disgust.

I am interested in substance not names or positions. Srila Prabhupada is the Spiritual Master of all members of ISKCON as everyone is following his discipline, his instructions. You call others any name you want but their role is only to fulfill the formality of initiation. Why then so much pomp and worship? This deviation has created the problem in the first place.

Let us come together. This is my humble prayer. Let us discuss once again how to reunite this family of Vaisnavas. Let us not leave any stone unturned.

Dear Godbrothers do not be swayed by ignorance and remain attached to a false concept of life. Haven’t we learned enough from past history? How many more good souls have to fall from their perceived positions before we wake up? Let the society of Vaisnavas, present and future freely worship Srila Prabhupada as their Spiritual Master their deliverer, their Via-media to transcendence. This is my humble prayer.

Your insignificant servant

Sattvic Dasa

PADA to Mahasrnga das 01/28/12

Mahasrnga dasa: Was the order given? GBC say yes, Ritviks and Sun say NO, fence sitters are still thinking.

[PADA: We offered a $108,000 reward in the Vrndavana UP newspapers for anyone who could prove that 11 people were "ordered" to be gurus, no one ever accepted the challenge. OK there was no order.

Rocana does not agree with the ritviks, he says there is an order, he told me that we were "ordered" to "follow the tradition of having a living guru," so keeps saying there is an order to have a living guru.

So when we met in 1997 I told him, I got my car keys here, lets go drive over and meet your live guru and I will wash his feet, and Rocana stormed out of the room yelling, because he was exposed, he has no living guru, he has no order that this living guru was supposed to be worshipped, and when we called his bluff and told him to show us the live guru, he started yelling at me and he has done that ever since 1997. He has no live guru at all, its a bluff and so we have said to Rocana all along -- show us your live guru and we will then see if he is bona fide, he has none, its all bluff.]

MD: The zonals kicked out anyone who questioned or spoke up about this issue and the GBC refuse to discuss.

[PADA: Rocana keeps saying there is a GBC? No there are a bunch of ersatz messiahs, none of them thinks they are a GBC, they think they are the next Jesus of Nazareth and they can absorb sins because they are diksha gurus. This is another false idea of Rocana, he thinks there is a GBC, there is none, there is an "acharya board" that is what they called themselves in 1978 and that is what they still are, there is no GBC, an acharya board is not a GBC, it is a bunch of people who think they are the divine sons of the heavenly father who can absorb sins because they are messiahs. That is not a GBC.]

MD: It’s time we came back, organized and took back our ISKCON.

[PADA: OK, well as long as we say the acharya board is a GBC, we cannot leverage them out, we have to say there is no GBC, there is a bogus messiah board, and that was never authorized. ys pd]

Friday, January 27, 2012

Children killed near Mayapura temple?


********** dasa:  I heard, on Sunday, that 2 murdered children were found behind the International school. These kids were from nearby villages, and they had their eyes cut out and kidneys also! I called the SMIS management and they said that a letter will be send to all parents to always pick up their kids from
school, esp. when they live outside the campus. Recently, several other children of ISKCON devotees have also been followed when going home. Ys. Samkalpa dasi

Can the authorities of ISKCON tell us exactly what is going on? IT sounds very alarming and already I heard like four different versions.  your servant, 

PADA: Whatup here?


Prabhupadanugas group: Cincinnati, Ohio


Devotee was not given medical treatment


ISKCON temple president arrested

PADA: This is in Hyderabad India

New Zealand Prabhupadanugas ki jaya!

Lokanatha disciple guilty of murder


Vatican whistleblower moved from office

PADA: Vatician Whistleblower -- "moved out," so the molesting was covered up.

Thursday, January 26, 2012

In Whose Arms Is Prabhavisnu Now?

In Whose Arms Is Prabhavisnu Now?

Angry Mother – Australia: Well sure my heart goes out to all those god brothers and sisters of mine who still hold a candle for Prabhavisnu but I will not think good of him ever again. For years I battled on washing dishes, cleaning nappies and cooking for my husband as he worked his butt off and gave so much of it to Prabhavisnu. How much did we do for him over the years I cannot imagine! How much we went without because guru Mahārāja needed money for his service in Katmandu or to build his house in Vṛndāvan or his preaching in Russia when we needed money for our family! How many times did I buy secondhand stuff for us all because gurudev needed more money?

We heard that he is in Thailand somewhere with his girlfriend? What is that all about? His girlfriend who he has yet to drop the big question? Who is this woman and how did they meet? How did a sannyāsī guru meet a woman, a shop keeper? Did he meet her at a pub or in her shop? Why does it matter? Well it matters to us because he was our guru, a pure devotee who Krishna had sent to us to take us back home to Godhead. 

[PADA: Right, GBC still promotes that their gurus are pure devotees.]

Now he is pillow talking with some woman who we don’t know whether she is a devotee or not? It matters because I know some of my godsisters who refuse to accept that he is less than a pure devotee and they still do puja to him and offer bhog to him, of course it matters! I am sure she is not a devotee so how is this possible I want to understand. Please tell me my dear god sisters how can you still think he is a pure devotee?

[PADA: And they are offering bhogha to these people (as per the Basu Ghosha and Gaura Keshava plan), just as we reported.]

When we got married we had to ‘associate’ for six months under the hawk eyes of the Temple President along with the rest of the Temple! But he can sneak around and have a girlfriend who has no idea he wants to marry her? How is it he can do as he pleases and we couldn’t????

[PADA: Hypocrisy, right, the symptom of KALI YUGA.]

Why is he allowed to do what he wants without the constraints of the regulative principle of illicit sex? Who are his authorities now? How different is he now to us? We are both initiated devotees of ISKCON and he a guru and sannyāsī who was -- with a karmi woman? To think we have been teaching our children to worship him for all these years and for him to be their guru?!? What do you have to say for this now my god sisters and brothers? Ramai Swami? Devamrita Swami! What do you say to my children? Well I will never let you near my children!!!

Oh please give us a break will you if you think that he is as pure as the driven snow! We heard about his visiting prostitutes way back and we refused to believe it then, but we now know we were the ones who were ripped off by him and the GBCs! So please spare me the agony of listening to you bleat on about how he is still a pure devotee who is enjoying some līlā with his Thai gopi girlfriend.

You may say okay mataji calm down don’t be offensive! But will you give me back all those years and all that we sacrificed for him? Okay I am angry and will deal with it I have to for my kids and my husband’s sake but I am angry and you have no right to say to me to calm down. I will calm down but in my time and my way.

I want to say to all the bhaktas and bhaktins out there to stop listening to any of the disciples of these gurus, like my husband and I were they are all in some stupid illusion that a mundane guru is a pure devotee. Nothing they say is true and they are all full of it. I know I am not committing an offence because our gurudev is a pervert and they all said he was a freaking pure devotee! We said he was a pure devotee! How can you believe the disciples?

To tell you the truth why should you listen at all to any GBC or Temple authority? They all knew about Prabhavisnu and covered it up for years! They are as bad as he is. I can tell you, don’t on any terms support the GBC or Temple President until they get honest with us and stop lying all the time. Do not give any money to any guru under any circumstances. 

Take shelter of Prabhupāda and no one else as these people will rip you off like Paul Barrow did us.

[PADA: Take shelter of Prabhupada, right on!]
You know Prabhavisnu was our savior after our whole yatra was destroyed by the poofter Bhavananda who was exposed and now look what happened both the bona fide spiritual masters that ISKCON offered us are now exposed as being sexually deviant. What do we expect to follow as the GBC and gurus make plans for our spiritual future? To hell with them!

[PADA: I second that motion! ys pd]

Controlling / abusive people produce similar results

PADA: I was not clear, sorry. The experience I have had is: (a) that women who I have personally counselled who had stayed in "abusive" relationships with a "controller type" man, and (b) people who have stayed on in "highly controlled" types of relationships with saints / mahants / spiritual masters / gurus that they knew for some time -- were not really realized souls, ... the same symptoms of misplaced affection often manifests in both cases, the psychology is similar, even I'd say -- almost identical. In both cases they have mis-placed their affection, and the same types of symptoms of devastation, grief, crying, even depression and so forth manifest in both cases. Its very similar psychology, i.e. mis-placed affection upon controlling types of people who were mis-using the post of control, "using" affection as a means of control and so forth, over others. So this is what I meant to say, the psychological effects of misplacing affection upon "controller" types of people is the same, the symptoms are the same, so we should consider carefully before we advise people to continue in such relationships, that was my point. ys pd


PADA: Dear Raya, Good point, yes in January of 1977 Srila Prabhupada gave a series of talks on varnasrama. He said no more sannyasa, suspend sannyasa because the leaders are falling down and thus -- they are making ISKCON into a laughingstock, and so we should develop things like farms run by householders and "get people married." What happened instead is, that less than a year later, the leaders said they were not only fit for sannyasa, they were now Vishnupada acharyas. And just as Srila Prabhupada said, this made a worse laughingstock because they started to fall down and make the post of acharya into degradation. Worse, they made over 200 more sannyasa, after being told not to do so. Needless to say, this created and exodus of most of the householders and so many other problems, because the married folks were not feeling encouraged, that means the order to support the householder program was also not followed. ys pd

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

India culture is changing (big time)

Guru tattva fog is clearing

[PADA NOTE: This author is making good progress but is still confused, she says Srila Prabhupada will be the exclusive and sole person giving the divyam jnan which destroys sins (diksha) in ISKCON by his VANI, and in fact he may be that person for the next 10,000 years, -- BUT simultaneously -- he will NOT be the diksha guru? 

And she says, he should be the sole person getting guru pooja (reserved ONLY for the diksha guru). She has not yet come fully out of the fog, she is still giving the GBC's argument that the person giving the divyam jnan which destroys sins (the person like Jesus is for the Christians) is only the siksa guru. No, divyam jnan which destroys sins (by pure vani) is called DIKSHA. Anyway this is good progress. She has come a long way in our direction. 

How come people like RM do not see that all these people in and around ISKCON are flocking over and gradually adopting our arguments, and by default they are becoming Prabhupadanugas? He apparently thinks no one can be saved, so its a self-fulfilling prophecy, he cannot save anyone. Whereas we think people can be saved, and so -- they are being saved. ys pd]   

Guru-tattva - The Fog is Clearing


Jan 24, 2012 — USA (SUN) — Many wonderful contributions have been made on the recent topic of guru, initiation, diksa, siksa etc. I would like to summarise what has been said and what I have understood so far and elaborate a bit on what has been and is the common feeling amongst devotees, because senior devotees are discussing these topics ever so urgently. They are very concerned about what has become of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON in such a short time since he physically left this world.

They are increasingly concerned, knowing very well that in the next 10 years or so many of us will not be any longer present in our physical bodies. Time is running out to turn around the ISKCON ship for the benefit of humanity at large. The dangers to become the Hare Krishna religion or another Hindu religion based on religiosity and not spirituality are too great to ignore.

First of all, I want to congratulate Rocana Prabhu for his "Sampradaya Acarya" article and his recent article, "The Latest Victim of Religiosity". These are both brilliant contributions and are a kind of a torchlight illuminating the whole debate.

Personally I feel the fog on guru-tattva is clearing more than ever before. I would therefore like to summarise what I have understood so far and what would be the most beneficial and workable solution for ISKCON today:

Srila Prabhupada is the Sampradaya Acarya, the head of our sampradaya and the 32nd link coming from Lord Brahma. Who can argue with this and who would dare to disagree? Only those who want to diminish Srila Prabhupada. Maybe the Gaudiya camp will not be happy with this, but who could and would disagree from within ISKCON?

Maybe it will stay like this for the next 10,000 years, who knows? We have been so fortunate to have had 3 Sampradaya Acaryas in the very recent past. Following from this is that no one, and really NO one at the present moment in time is equally qualified as Srila Prabhupada, a pure uttama liberated diksa guru. Full stop. It is obvious. No one should therefore attempt to usurp this position. This is an immediate disqualification for any sort of guru-ship. And mere lip service alone will not do either anymore.

Therefore stop all guru-pujas other than Srila Prabhupada's.

[PADA: OK this is our Prabhupadanuga system.]

Guru-puja as we learned from Srila Prabhupada is exclusively reserved for the pure devotee uttama-adhikari liberated Sampradaya Acarya. Even the Gaudiya Math don't do elaborate guru-pujas like this.

[PADA: OK this is the Prabhupadanuga's main idea.]

No more foot bathing either. 

[PADA: OK this is the Prabhupadanuga's main complaint.]

Jesus was washing the feet of his disciples. We can do this instead. What a nice and humble example. No more Vyasa Pujas other then Srila Prabhupada's. 

[PADA: Prabhupadanugas were saying this in 1977.]

And no more guru daksina or alternatively, guru daksina has to go in a transparent pool. 

[PADA: Prabhupadanugas idea since 1977.]

That will be hard to swallow as it threatens the livelihood of some. 

[PADA: Its all about money, what we said all along.]

Of course, sannyasis should be financially maintained no doubt, and a way has to be found to practically do that in a transparent way. This is actually a minor issue and it will all fall in place once the major adjustments regarding diksa and siksa guru have been implemented.

[PADA: Corrrect.]

Guru should be understood to be siksa or vartma pradarsaka guru. Let's leave the diksa guru position for Srila Prabhupada only as long as no one else is qualified and has come up to this level. 

[PADA: Our idea for the past 35 years.]

And of course, every siksa or vartma pradarsaka guru will be judged by how much he or she is able to imbibe Srila Prabhupada's mood and teachings and how much he is able to instill this in others and bring them to Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet. This means Srila Prabhupada is in the centre once again, the real centre, not just lip service.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada in the center, what we said for 35 years.]

I came across a very nice quote recently, which seems to confirm all this. Srila Prabhupada explains that a diksa guru may not always be available. In this case one has to take shelter of a siksa guru. One can never be without guru at any stage. In any case siksa reigns supreme. It is the essence of our sampradaya, which is primarily a siksa sampradaya as some of the writers on this forum have so nicely pointed out.

[PADA: Right, the neophytes can only give siksha and they cannot absorb sins like Jesus and give diksha, what we said all along.]

Where does that leave the Ritviks? Ritvik is not an answer nor a solution, as much as it might seem on the surface. It is a non-starter, really. Srila Prabhupada has been the diksa guru of some but he is no longer physically present in his vapu form to perform that diksa, however, he is very much spiritually present in his vani form. 

[PADA: OK, that makes you a ritvik. And that makes Rocana a ritvik too because he says the sampradaya acharya can continue to give divyam jnanam by his vani (which is the ritvik idea). You are ritviks.]

And that is what we are after and should be after if we really want to make real spiritual advancement.

[PADA: OK we should follow the ritviks main idea, we do not care if you call yourself ritviks or not then, you have accepted our idea.]

To mind comes a very interesting and supremely important quote, even though we really always knew it all along instinctively: "Therefore having a bona fide spiritual master and serving him and pleasing him and getting his mercy is essential. Otherwise there can be no advancement in Krishna consciousness. And unless the spiritual master is a pure devotee of Krishna then he has no potency to give you Krishna. He is simply a cheating rascal."

So in fact, above all the rules and regulations and offenses I have mentioned the most important thing, the essential thing, which is required if you want to come to the stage of purely chanting the Hare Krishna mantra is you must have a bona fide spiritual master who is a pure devotee of Krishna. Without having a bona fide spiritual master you can chant Hare Krishna forever but you will not be able to advance because Krishna does not reveal Himself in this way. He only reveals Himself to those devotees who surrender to and serve and please His pure devotees."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to his London Disciples, July, 1969) It couldn't be clearer than this. Regarding Ritvik, I personally always felt why would anyone want to be diksa initiated by Srila Prabhupada after he left his vapu form, when his siksa is so readily available. Can't we be satisfied with Srila Prabhupada's siksa? 

[PADA: But you just said he is giving diksha? The divyam jnan is going to come from his vani, so the divyam jnan which destroys sins (diksha) is coming from him.]

It doesn't really make that much of a difference in terms of spiritual advancement, as we can see by the example of so many wonderful Vaishnavas whose guru has fallen down and who subsequently didn't opt for another fallible diksa guru, but took fully shelter of Srila Prabhupada's siksa. No re-initiation.

And when someone asks who is your guru maharaja the answer should proudly be, 'Srila Prabhupada'. And it is a fact, if someone takes instructions from Srila Prabhupada in all sincerity and makes that connection within his heart, then Srila Prabhupada is certainly his or her guru maharaja, not by diksa, but by siksa.

On the other hand there are examples of diksa initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada who have deviated from his siksa, even to the point of posing as pure uttama liberated souls when they were and are not on that platform, and when they are not qualified. The result of this we have just recently witnessed again and again.

The question therefore comes to mind, what is the essence of the guru/disciple relationship? It is siksa, imbibing the mood and following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada and understanding his rightful position and 'initiating' others into this mood, thus spreading Krishna consciousness like wildfire again. It is really that simple.

And what are we initiated into? The Brama Madhava Gaudiya Sampradaya, of course. We are not initiated into ISKCON or some guru's ashram or project. No, we are actually linked and introduced into the pure transcendental disciplic succession. Moreover, this link can only be made by a pure, liberated uttama devotee like Srila Prabhupada. All siksa and vartma pradarsaka gurus are acting with this in mind. They bring everyone to the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada, the 32nd link of the sampradaya coming from Lord Brahma, and thus increase the transcendental sampradaya. Beautiful!

Anyone who puts himself equal or higher than Srila Prabhupada and anyone who can't appreciate his position as the 32nd link of the sampradaya since Lord Brahma is immediately disqualified to act as siksa, or vartma pradarsaka guru even. Such a person is an imposter and cheater. Srila Prabhupada says in this connection:

"You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru?"

Today the question should be asked: Is the latest fall from grace the final straw which changes forever the present understanding and practice of initiation in ISKCON? If not yet, then how many more have to fall from grace till the GBC understands the proper siddhanta? The community of devotees certainly understands by now.
Or has one of the really 'big' gurus to abandon the ship before things change? It may very well turn the entire Indian community against ISKCON, 'be mouse again', a laughingstock. 42 so-called pure devotee liberated diksa gurus fell down since Srila Prabhupada wound up his pastimes in this world, I have been told. This is almost a guru per year! What a track record. It's time for change.
And those who still think or allow others to think they are pure devotees on the highest platform of liberated uttama-adhikari, let them boldly proclaim they are the 33rd link of the eternal transcendental parampara since Lord Brahma. Who dares to take this position without proper qualification? I could not imagine anyone so audacious to do so.

I rest my case here and would love to see others tweaking and adjusting what I have put down. I feel the direction is right and similar to what others have recently expressed on this forum. The fog is gradually clearing regarding the proper understanding of guru-tattva. Thank you Srila Prabhupada, and thanks to all the assembled Vaishnavas.

Most of all, please forgive any offences I might have caused by expressing my thoughts and understanding of guru-tattva. I have no axe to grind, I have no hatred towards any individuals either, however, I am increasingly concerned about the direction ISKCON is heading in. I feel the ISKCON ship is off course and will quickly run aground if it keeps on going in this direction. We now understand the proper direction this ship should be going in for the benefit of humanity at large. Let's change course, let's do it before it is too late! We have done it once, we can do it again.

[PADA: OK you have to start to study the documents that Srila Prahbupada left us where he said he was going to continue as the diksha guru / acharya and the GBC were only going to be managers, at best. ys pd]

Monday, January 23, 2012


by Devotees and well wishers of Iskcon

Further to our first article of “ITSGONE Joke Book”, what follows is our comments on the last but not least of all ridiculous and hypocritical Iskcon Law.

(5) THE ISKCON LAW BOOK STATES IN PAGE 164, Text 2.1 as follows:

"That ISKCON Devotees and leaders have repeatedly requested a clear vision from the GBC on Srila Prabhupada's order in 1977 regarding continuing the disciplic succession, but this has yet not been presented" ........ "The Siddhanta in regard to Guru Tattva in ISKCON has been unclear and there is a need for a statement from the GBC to give direction"

From the above statement, the following points are to be considered: The GBC clearly admit in writing that they, being the leaders of ISKCON were never clear about Srila Prabhupad’s instructions to them on the Post 1977 initiation system for ISKCON. They claimed that their ‘laws’ mentioned were based on the authority of Narahari Sarakara’s (an associate of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu) book called the "Krsna Bhajanmrta." That Narahari Sarakara is one of the associates of Lord Chaitanya is not in dispute, as Srila Prabhupada confirms in the Chaitanya Charitamrta, Adi lila chapter 10 TX 78-79. However we never find Srila Prabhupada ever mentioning that after his departure when the ISKCON ‘Gurus’supposed to be coming in the pure disciplic succession of self realized souls would fall down into illicit sex exactly like moths falling into fire, then at that time Narahari Sarakara would suddenly and miraculously emerge to the rescue of ISKCON by saving the day with his book called "Krsna Bhajanamrta."

What to speak of Narahari Sarakara who apperaed 500 years ago, Srila Prabhupada also clearly stresses this point of not jumping over him in regards to Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur who is quite a recent acarya in our disciplic succesion. In a letter to his disciple on 12/4/73, Srila Prabhupada states: "Whatever is to be learned about the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura can be learned from Our Books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instructions."

The GBC crazily imply in their ‘ISKCON Lawbook’ that Narahari Sarakara’s sole duty in the age of Kali would be to provide them a fool proof defense Insurance system to indemnify their selected Iskcon ‘Gurus’ against any critisizms, and also to provide ‘sastric’ or ‘scriptual’ evidence to justify these ‘Gurus’ in the event of their spiritual fall downs. While they hypocritically demand from their ‘disciple’ during the initiation fire yajna to commit themselves to following strictly all the 4 regulative principles, the very same ISKCON Guru is protected from this strict following by the grace of the insurance policy of the Iskcon law book with its references to Narahari Sarkar’s (alleged) teachings. Such hypocrisy disgusts even the most hypocritical materialists.

Even accepting that if Narahari Sarakara had written a book called "Krsna Bhajamnrta," any sincere and intelligent devotee after reading the present day edition of this book, can easily come to the conclusion that such a great associate of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would never write in the context that the GBC claims he has written.

In Srila Prabhupad’s Chaitanya Charitamrta, and his references to the Chaitanya Bhagavata, we never find Lord Chaitanya Himself ever speaking the statements to any of His associates that the GBC claims Narahari Sarakara has made in the Krsna Bhajanamrta about the spiritual falldown of Gurus coming in the Parampara line.Indeed in His major instructions to His chief disciples, the Six Goswamis, to Sarvabhauma Bhattacharya, and to Ramananda Raya etc, we never find such topics ever mentioned. Therefore since Narahari Sarakara is one of the close associates of the Lord, then naturally all he would write in his book, or (books), are statements that Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu taught. Why would he ever mention something totally foreign to Lord Chaitanya's teachings?

Srila Prabhupada mentions in the Chaitanya Charitamrta “Locana das Thakura, the celebrated author of Caitanya Mangala, is the disciple of Narahari Sarakar". Yet we do not find Srila Prabhupada ever quoting the Chaitanya Mangala in the context of Disciplic succession Guru falldowns, nor any of the topics on Guru which the GBC claims that Narahari Sarakara has written. It seems rather strange that Locan Das Thakura being the disciple of Narahari Sarakara would totally ignore his Spiritual Master’s ‘thoughts’ on this subject .

It is also important to note that after the departure of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and His associates, many Sahajiyas and Mayavadis attempted to distort and change their teachings by writing many books claiming them to be the works of both the Lord and His associates. Later, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur rectified the situation, but still by the grace of Kali Yuga, there are many remnants of such literatures loitering about. Unfortunately the GBC in their desperate need to justify the Iskcon Gurus falldowns have most cunningly taken advantage of these distorted teachings, thus making themselves look like a bungling pack of madmen leading our once exalted society.

The GBC’s desperate search for ‘evidence’ from other sources other than Srila Prabhupad’s to support their materially affected ‘Guru can fall down’ theory, unfortunately imply to the general mass of innocent devotees that: (a) Srila Prabhupada purposely chose to leave the Guru issue and initiation systems in ISKCON vague and unclear and, (b) also carelessly forgot to mention that initiating Gurus of the Pure disciplic succession of self realized souls can fall down into illicit sex, and other grossly sinful activities, (c) and what steps should be taken when all of this madness happens. However the real point to understand is that Srila Prabhupada had set up one standard without ever changing it in ISKCON as far as the Guru was concerned, and that is, that the bonafide Guru coming in the disciplic succsesion is always a Mahabhagavat and can never fall down . We suggest the reader will be clear to this question as to why Srila Prabhupada never bothered to mention such a‘Guru fall down’ theory, when one studies the following quotes below:

In the Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 3 , Ch 13 , tx 8 purport, after clearly describing the entire disciplic succession with all the names of the Gurus, including his own name, Srila Prabhupada mentions as follows: “This line of disciplic succession from Brahma is spiritual, whereas the genealogical succession from Manu is material……” .

Since the disciplic succession is spiritual as confirmed by Srila Prabhupada, why is it that the GBC have speculated in their ‘law’ book that in this spiritual line, there can be Gurus who can spiritually fall down ? Why would such a Spiritual disciplic succession in the first place even contain members performing such abominable behaviour to represent them as their leaders, with them first seemingly inside the spiritual disciplic succession, then hastily removed from the disciplic succession after their falldowns, and yet again as seen in some cases in Iskcon History post 1978, be hastily dumped back in?

What we have to understand is that the eternal disciplic succession is one of successive discipline , not of successive non- realized or partially realized persons, who are merely imitating the fully liberated Guru. Sometimes it is wrongly assumed that unless each link in the unbroken disciplic succession is succeeded one second after the physical demise of the last link, then there will be a break. But this is not the case, as the disciplic succession is not a material chain, but it is a spiritual chain as confirmed above by Srila Prabhupada.

We must understand that the current acarya remains the current link-whether or not he is in his physical body. Srila Prabhupada explains that as long as one is connected to the acarya, even after his physical dissapearance, there is no break. (Srila Prabhupad’s letter to Dayananda 12 /4 /68/ and letter to Vrndavan chandra 19/7/70 ). The issue is to remain connected. Therefore one must understand that the disciplic succession is about the transmission of knowledge- not the transmission of physically intact bodies. It is not like the Monarchy whereby physical demise also leads to the demise of that person's reign.

There are also many other quotes from Srila Prabhupad’s book such as in Chaitanya Charitamrta Madhya Lila CH 24-text 258 & Text 330 purport, Srimad Bhagavatam 1 12.16 purport, Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4, Tx 42, purport, The Nectar of instructions page 58, Also once Srila Prabhupada was asked if a Guru can fall down, and he replied "Well if Guru is bad , how can he become a Guru"? (the Science of Self realisation chapter 2).

The history of Iskcon Gurus show us that when six out of the original eleven ‘Gurus’ fell down spiritually by 1987, the GBC fearing that soon the number of ‘Gurus’ in ISKCON may be down to zero, quickly ‘came to the rescue by munificiently’ adding eighty more. They did this with the excuse that Iskcon needed to satisfy the ever increasing ‘spiritual must and needs’ of the innocent new comer devotees who were taken in for their ‘living breathing in oxygen and exhaling carbondioxide Guru product’. Thus with so many ‘ living ‘Gurus’ added, even if some did fall down spiritually, (and indeed from 1987 till 2012, a further thirty five or more have fallen), it would never look as bad as the earlier group of eleven because there would always be so many more who were still in ‘good standing’.

Thus by desperately trying to dump conditioned souls or partially realized souls in the pure disciplic succession, the GBC have commited the greatest offence to Lord Krishna, and all the actual Pure self realized souls who actually rightfully belong in such a spiritual succession. The GBC could have from day one of the physical departure of Srila Prabhupada accommodated such conditioned/partially realized souls to be engaged as an assistant to the fully ever liberated eternal Guru, Srila Prabhupada, in the capacity of agent, instructor, priest, deputy etc. Thus all devotees in and outside Iskcon would never have to see all the unfortunate unhappy incidents that have taken place in regards to the Guru issue since 1978.

Therefore one should think deeply with a cool headed mind as to what was the reason for the change of standard from the Mahabhagavat Guru standard as experienced in ISKCON upto 1977, and then to find something totally opposite after 1977. Especially when there was no instruction from Srila Prabhupada upto his last breath that such a standard should ever be changed.

Why is it that after 1977,everyone who joined ISKCON were denied the Mahabhagavat standard Guru, but instead many of them got the Homosexual standard Guru, Woman Hunter Guru, Child Molester Guru, and most recently the Bangkok Prostitute Guru? What ‘bad karma’ had the poor devotees who joined after 1977 done in their last life, in contrast to the ‘good karma’ of the devotees who joined pre 1977? That even though the Post 1977 group of devotees joined the same society, chanted the same mantra, performed the same devotional service processes, followed the same 4 regulative principles, read the same Srila Prabhupada's books, worshipped the same Iskcon Deities, etc, as their pre 1978 counterparts, they still had to receive so many spiritually fallen Gurus? Why was that standard changed? Some humorous devotees joke that maybe those who joined Post 1977 had donated cats to the Brahmanas in their previous lives instead of donating cows to the Brahmanas as their Pre 1977 counterparts had done so diligently.

Did Srila Prabhupada want that all newcomers who joined immediately after 1977 should get these above mentioned spiritually fallen ‘Gurus’? By the GBC’s promotion of such “Gurus’ since 1978, they have practically implied to these Post 1977 devotees that Lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada seem to be punishing them. This is because they had "spaced out" by missing out on Srila Prabhupada's physical presence available till 1977. Thus because of their being so ‘unfortunate’ by not meeting him physically they have to continuously suffer so many crazy consequences after 1977 until all the way today.

Therefore the whole scenario becomes continuously ludicrous if we support the GBC’s changing the quality of the Guru standard that Srila Prabhupada had set up and was operating in ISKCON till 1977. Thus after reading the ‘laws’ from the ‘ISKCON LAW BOOK’, we are confident that any sincere, honest devotee will understand that henceforward it should only and officially be known as the "ITSGONE JOKE BOOK" and nothing else. It is indeed a bad joke played by the GBC members that they will have to answer to the court of Yamaraj after leaving this world.

By all the sincere prayers of the honest devotees, may the hypocrisy and double dealings of the GBC soon be vanquished, for Srila Prabhupada once mentioned in his purports in Srimad Bhagavatam, that Krsna comes especially when he sees his devotees feeling very sorry for the irreligious state of affairs going on in society. And now at a time, when irreligious affairs are going on in the very society of devotees, ISKCON, that is supposed to save the materialistic irreligious society from gliding to hell, it is especially sure that the Lord and his associates will rectify such personalities in the guise of GBC members, leaders, Swamis, Gurus etc.

May Lord Krishna and our beloved eternal guru, Srila Prabhupada forgive every member of ISKCON, (both inside and outside members) for allowing the GBC to create this chaos in human society and in the International society for Krishna Consciousness. By their grace, may we all now begin to obey their orders and reemerge out of chaos back to order: namely at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada, the eternal bonafide spiritual master of all the members of his transcendental movement.

Please find below the detailed and complete list of Iskcon fallen Gurus. Present figure is 41 (two more than the figure of 39 mentioned in the first part of our “Itsgone Joke Book Article”). This figure of 41 still does not include those individuals that the GBC were in the past and are at present able to keep under the wraps.

From the First batch of 11 Zonal Acarya ‘Gurus’

1. Jayatirtha Das (Dead)
2. Hansadutta Swami
3. Bhavananda Goswami
4. Ramesvara Swami
5. Bhagavan Das Goswami
6. Kirtanananda Swami (Dead)
7. Harikesa Swami.
 8. Satsvarupa Das Goswami
From the Second batch of Eighty or so ‘Gurus’
 9. Bhakti Balabh Puri Goswami / Balabhadra Das
10. Bhakti Abhaya Carana Swami (Padambhuja das)
11. Bhaktiprabhava Maharaj
12. Nitai Chand Swami
13. Bhaktivaidurya Madhava – formerly Rohini Kumar Swami
14 Agrani Swami
15. Ganapati Swami
16. Atreya Rsi Das
17. Isvara Swami ( Brazil )
18. Jagad Guru Swami
19. Jagadish Goswami
20. Ananda Svarupa Swami
21. Kshiti Mohan ( Mexico )
22. Mahabhagavata Swami ( EL Salvador )
23. Maharam Das Adhikari
24. Narahari Swami
25. Pancadravida Swami
26. Paramananda Das Adhikari
27. Param Gati swami
28. Paramananda (Gita Nagari)
29. Prthu Das
30. Radha Krsna Swami ( Mexico )
31. Ram Govinda Das ( Mexico )
32. Rohini Suta Das
33. Rukmini Pati Das ( Brazil )
34. Rupanuga Das
35. Somaka Swami
36. Suhotra Swami (Dead)
37. Umapati Swami ( China Hongkong)
38. Vaninatha Vasu Das
39. Vegavan dasa
40. Vipramukhya Swami
 41. Prabha Visnu Swami (January 2012)

ISKCON guru's "maha" -- spreads disease?

Enver: I pity those poor naive souls who eat the “maha prasadam” from this poor wretch Prabhavisnu das or Thai mayadevi dasi. Unfortunately I also used to eat “maha” from my former, “as good as God gurudeva” Prithu dasa. On one occasion he even forced me to eat his leftovers. When I found out that he had the hepatitis C for years I was enraged.

He also admitted to having sex with men before he joined “just for fun” and he was trying to convince me that he is not a fagot. Now that I remember him going to Thailand regularly for his “colonic irrigation” I don’t need to guess what he was doing there any more. Hepatitis C Virus is highly contagious and causes serious and permanent damage to the liver.There is no cure for it.

Besides spreading all sorts of philosophical misconceptions, robbing and cheating people, impersonating renunciates and Vaishnava gurus, these damn bastards are even spreading (deadly) diseases among us.
To make things even more ironic, when they get sick we pay for their expensive medical treatments.

If we continue worshiping these lowlifes we are really stupid indeed. They must be forcibly removed. There must be a revolution.This is a truly revolting situation. If however you still feel the insatiable need to eat the leftovers from those fake Fiskcon gurus, and go to hell with them, at least be decent enough and don’t share the diseases with your children. 

"Acarya by 2/3 show of hands votes": its bogus

By Mahasrngha dasa

Vrndavana widows make Oprah cry


It was a moment of pride for a certain well-know family in namma Chennai, or rather every citizen in Chennai, when Oprah Winfrey — in conversation with Barkha Dutt in far away Jaipur — spoke highly of Dr Mohini Giri’s work with widows.

Dr Mohini Giri, daughter-in-law of the former President of India, V.V. Giri, and the former Chairperson of the National Commission for Women, is mother to none other than Chennai-based businessperson V. V. Giri. Oprah, in her address at the Jaipur Literature Festival, spoke about the paradoxes that she confronted in India.

“On one hand there is a tradition of family and values and on the other these widows are thrown out of their homes by their own kith and kin. This doesn’t make sense to me,” said a baffled Oprah to Barkha. Oprah was alluding to the plight of the widows of Vrindavan who, condemned by their families, come to the holy city, waiting to die. In this sacred city of 16,000 widows, Dr Mohini Giri’s Maa Dham provides shelter to nearly 200 widows, protecting them from a life of poverty, sorrow and misery.

On the cold morning of January 19, Oprah met with Dr Mohini Giri in Vrindavan. Speaking to this newspaper from Delhi, the head of the Guild of Service, Mohini Giri, said, “I met Oprah at 8 am on January 19, in the streets of Vrindavan. We went to Bhajan Asanas, a place where marginalized women have been exploited for the past 200 years.

The condition of these women is pathetic. They sing the whole day for a meager reward of Rs 2 per day and a handful of rice. Oprah was appalled by what she saw and tears rolled down her face.” Dr Giri and Oprah then travelled to the doctor’s ashram — Maa Dham, where widows were given the dignity they deserved and were allowed to wear colourful clothes, bangles and even bindis.

“Oprah was happy to see these women and interacted with all of them. She then expressed a desire to work with me to empower these women,” said a soft-spoken Dr Giri. The Giri family in Chennai couldn’t be happier. While daughter-in-law, Jigyasa, a Kathak dancer, took to Facebook to show her pride, son, Giri, spoke to this newspaper about his mother.

“It is a paradox that while we cherish the unit of a family in this country, a woman, upon losing her husband, is immediately ostracized. My mother has been working for these women for the last 40 years and we are very proud of her,” he said.

Sunday, January 22, 2012

Oprah Winfrey Visits Vrndavana (w/ videos)

Deity worship not standard in ISKCON

[PADA: Some ISKCON temples offer (Gaura Keshava / Basu Ghosha / Baroda ISKCON style) bhogha to Krishna first, then to Prabhupada, and then to the GBC guru (reverses the order of the system of offering to the guru first). Other temples offer to the GBC guru, then to Prabhupada, then the deities (see below). It seems even the GBC has different standards for deity worship. I have been asked if there is a ritvik site that gives all the proper worship process, I am not sure? Any suggestions? In any case, we follow the "old" standard of offering to the guru Srila Prabhupada first, then up the chain of guru succession and to the deity. ys pd]   

Official ISKCON site:
Requesting the Lord to Accept the Arati (puspanjali)

While ringing a bell, offer flower petals to the lotus feet of your spiritual master and then to each Deity’s lotus feet, requesting each Deity to accept the arati ceremony. The order of offering puspanjali is as follows: your spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada, Lord Nityananda, Lord Caitanya, Srimati Subhadra, Lord Baladeva, Lord Jagannatha, Srimati Radharani, and Lord Krsna. While offering the petals, chant esa puspanjalih and the mula-mantra for each Deity. Or in simplified worship, simply say, “Please accept these flowers of surrender.” 

(Substitute water from the panca-patra for flower petals if necessary, holding a spoonful of water toward each personality and then discarding it in the visarjaniya-patra; or simply offer Them flower petals in the mind.)

Legal case against the GBC (Devaprastha das)

[PADA: Hah hah, this guy caught his "guru" reading porno and masturbating, and he took some of the porno as LEGAL EVIDENCE of fraud, and he is having the fingerprints LEGALLY checked so he can LEGALLY prove his guru is a fraud in COURT. Its about time! ys pd]

Open Letter to ISKCON GBC and Members BY: DEVAPRASTHA DAS

Jan 21, 2012 — UK (SUN) — Dear Members of the GBC and ISKCON, we have seen that another diksa guru has fallen, one of many. We are told that the GBC is the ultimate authority, yet many times you fall publicly. What are we members to think? It's lila? Three of you dismissed me as an aparadhi after I told you I found my guru masturbating with pornography. What will you do when evidence is presented? How will you take care of devotees whose gurus fall?

[PADA: This is great news, it looks like another "ISKCON guru" is about to be exposed for masturbating and watching pornography.]

DD: Are we to continue to see GBC as ultimate? Are we to continue surrendering? Prabhavisnu has 1,500 disciples, how are they feeling now? Harikesa had far more than that, and my guru has half as much as him, maybe 3,000. Please know that I have taken one item of pornographic magazine, and will request you to check if his fingerprints match on it. This will be a legal case -- me against the so-called guru. I have one godsister who says she feels uncomfortable in his presence, like he undresses her with his eyes.

[PADA: A "legal case" against the ISKCON gurus for their FRAUDLENTLY promoting a guy who is reading porno as a messiah? Hah hah, this is getting to be great stuff indeed. Long over due mind you, the original disciples of Srila Prabhupada should have cleaned this up 35 years ago. Anyway, better late than never.] 

DD: I agree with Rupanuga Prabhu, let's take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and forget these other people. When will you allow us to do so without us becoming labeled aparadhis? And I want to suggest you stop these guru seminars on how to be a good guru. It doesn't make sense, Anuttama is one instructor of those classes and he is grihasta. How silly is this?

[PADA: "Guru seminars" on how to be a good guru, hah hah, this is ritvik-diculous. The good news is that more people are standing up to oppose them, and so it seems every day another person wakes up and says, lets expose these rascals posing as acharyas!]

DD: I am not upset, I'm relieved, I now know what the truth is and how to worship, and who.
Devaprastha das

[PADA: OK good. Except we need to know that Rupanuga's suggestion that Srila Prabhupada is the spiritual "grand father" -- and these criminals, deviants and perverts are the spiritual "fathers" falls way short of what needs to be done. And yes RM, if this were Vedic times, and this Rupanuga clan was saying their child molester sabha were the "spiritual fathers" of human society, this Rupanuga clan would be dealt with VERY severely -- if Manu Samhita is any gauge. 

In Vedic culture NO ONE is allowed to say that a pedophile messiah's program are "the fathers of religion," this would never be allowed for one second. And indeed, the people promoting that sabha would be dealt with VERY severely by the pious king of that age. And of course lest we forget, they will be dealt with severely eventually, because when the time comes, the dogs of Yama will bite these people's behinds. Sri Isopanisad says these false gurus go to the MOST OBNOXIOUS and lowest regions of the universe, and THUS -- so are their supporters and apologists destined to go down with them. Vedic culture will thus be the final say on this because that is the underlying reality of the universe. ys pd] 

The Hindu: ISKCON Festival in Karnataka

Saturday, January 21, 2012

Rupanuga writes wrongs again

The Param-guru BY: RUPANUGA DAS

Rupanuga dasa: The reasonable conclusion to all this is straightforward when based upon Srila Prabhupada’s declared intentions: he wished to return to his duties as initiating spiritual master as soon as he could, which means that the word “henceforward” was equivalent to “for the foreseeable future” and “until further notice.” Therefore, there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada intended to introduce the July 9th letter as a permanent procedure for continuing his disciplic succession. That parampara procedure had already been explained in his books. Hare Krsna, Rupanuga dasa.

[PADA: Right, Rupanuga supports the GBC and their debauchery parampara idea. Worse, he claims that his bogus guru program is "found in the books"! What books? He has never read the books, his debauchee acharyas program is not found in the books. Notice now that Rupanuga says Srila Prabhupada is the "param" (grandfather) guru, and the "father" gurus are -- the molester messiahs program? Where do the books say that the molester messiahs program will be the "father" guru in vaishnavisim? Notice Rupanuga never cites the books when he makes these bogus claims.]


RD: Jan 20, 2012 — JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, USA (SUN) — Those sincere souls who have been submitting for decades to disciples of Srila Prabhupada as spiritual masters, only to be disappointed, need not leave the proven path of Bhakti as revealed by Srila Prabhupada (who is not at all at fault).

[PADA: Who is at fault then? Its the false gurus AND the people who have supported that these fallen individuals are gurus in the first place like -- Rupanuga das. He still supports that these debauchees are or were "gurus" because he claims that Srila Prabhupada is the "param" (grand father) guru and that these debauchees are some sort of  father"gurus" too. OK Srila Prabhupada is the param guru, yet Rupanuga STILL claims that both (a) the debauchees and (b) Srila Prabhupada are BOTH gurus. Rupanuga is equating them as both entitled to use the nomenclature of (diksha) gurus. So Rupanuga is at fault for telescoping these titles together artificially.  

Worse, Rupanuga never explains how these debauched people became gurus -- at all, other than by his vociferous cheer leading? Rupanuga at one time became one of these false gurus himself. Rupanuga does not EVER explain, what was the actual instruction? Srila Prabhupada says that if a layman performs brain surgery, he will cause havoc and people will die. So Rupanuga says these bogus brain surgeons are qualified to perform the surgery and have to title of brain surgeon. Thus, when the hospital janitor uses the title of brain surgeon and performs the surgery, ouch, people will die, thats all. Rupanuga has never explained why he promoted the GBC and their illicit sex with men, women and children program as "guru"? He never explains why he wants the janitors to perform brain surgery -- and kill people thereby?]

RD: Because of such disappointments, one may have doubts about success in Krsna consciousness. But the path is not to be abandoned. Instead, under the complete shelter of Srila Prabhupada one will be saved for sure from material existence. 

[PADA: OK, this does not explain why this shelter is being denied in the first place? Who authorized the GBC to make bogus brain surgeons and kill people in the first place? Who authorized Rupanuga to support such bogus brain surgeons? Why doesn't Rupanuga simply admit his bogus brain surgeons are killing people with bad surgery?]

RD: There is no need to get initiated again and again. One can take complete shelter of Srila Prabhupada and the Holy Name, Nama Prabhu. Nama Rupe is independent, as confirmed in Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya lila, Chapter 15, verses 106 through 111 with purports, a must read carefully. These verses and purports clearly indicate that a sincere soul, initiated or not, can take shelter of Srila Prabhupada-vani and Lord Krsna, the Holy Name, directly.

[PADA: OK, so why is this not being preached in ISKCON? Why are people being told to take shelter of these falling down self appointed gurus? Why isn't Rupanuga explaining that the GBC are deviants for promoting this false shelter?]

RD: The disappointed disciples of our Godbrothers remain on duty to give Srila Prabhupada's mercy to the suffering masses of conditioned souls on this planet, which is known as Martyaloka or the planet of death. Krsna consciousness is a matter of life and death for everyone. Srila Prabhupada wanted millions, he said "a hundred million" devotees.

[PADA: OK, except as soon as someone says we should take shelter of Srila Prabhupada the one will be branded as a ritvik deviant and he will be banned, beaten and some have been killed, since its forbidden to preach that one can take shelter of Srila Prabhupada. Rupanuga does not address this.]

RD: Respectful obeisances must go out to all the recently disappointed 1,500+ disciples, with the prayer to please take care to remain disciples under the direct protection of their Param-guru, Srila Prabhupada, who said that the grandfather is more kind to the sons than the father. So be it.

[PADA: OK Rupanuga never explains how his illicit sex with men women and children people are gurus in the first place? He says: The bogus are gurus AND SO IS Srila Prabhupada, albeit he is the param guru, ok so he is saying illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project leaders are gurus.  He keeps saying these illicit sex fools are gurus and Srila Prabhupada is the param guru, but he never explains -- how do illicit sex fallen fools become gurus in the first place? These fools "become guru" because people like Rupanuga are rubber stamping them as gurus. ys pd] 

Friday, January 20, 2012

Radhanatha and Trivrikrama pic

World's leading exponents of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs club.

Welcome to Folk Bangalore

Vishnu-sahasra nama (1,000 names of Vishnu)

[With English translations]

Guru by hook and crook / Narayana Maharaja

"Dumb and dumber" gurus by Rocana dasa

Beg, borrow or steal to remain guru by Mahasrngha dasa

Narayana Maharaja admits he supports cheaters as gurus:

Prema-prayjona dasa: Gurudeva, you said that a partial guru has controlled the six urges like vaco-vegam, manasa, krodha-vegam, etc. Such gurus, even with that partial quality, will not fall?

Srila Gurudeva:  They will not fall down, but they are not perfect gurus. Those who are serving Srimati Radhika personally are gurus of the highest caliber.

Prema-prayjona dasa: Regarding the ones who have fallen down, they're not even partial gurus?

Srila Gurudeva:  No. They are not even devotees, what to speak of being gurus. They are not only cheating others, but they are cheating themselves.

[PADA: Right Narayana Maharaja now admits that his support of the GBC as gurus means he is supporting cheaters as gurus. ys pd]

Bangalore temple vehicle advertising Rathayatra

PADA: Dear James, OK, the bottom line is that not many of us are working within the institutional structure of ISKCON, nor is it likely many of us will be there anytime soon, so we might as well agree to encourage each other's preaching independently. I am trying to help those who no longer are able to hang on to the institution, and the main customers I deal with have already left the mother ship of ISKCON and are not coming back, and as such we are having some success. I'd say we have saved at least some folks because they have reported that, and we get constant correspondence from others all the time who want to join our process. And many others have joined our exodus and have abandoned the corporate ISKCON process and they are preaching independent like James and so is GH, so we ought to try to agree with the Bible that -- the harvest is big, the harvestors, ok, not so much. We have developed a specific type of medicine for our specific patients, if others can save other types of patients, thats great. The more independent preaching the better in my opinion. We may not all be giving the same type of medicine, but if people are being saved, that's all that matters, ys pd


Thursday, January 19, 2012

Srila Prabhupada is the diksha guru of ISKCON

GBC EC Russian Announcement on Prabhavisnu declares Śrīla Prabhupāda – Preeminent Dīkṣā Guru of ISKCON

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Kṛṣṇacandra Dāsa – Śrī Vṛndāvan Dham: The website that the GBC Executive officially announced Prabhavisnu Swami’s resignation is []  is the official ISKCON website for Russia. If you refer to Paragraph 4 you will note a very interesting claim by the GBC Executive Body…
Paragraph 4 – Russian Version:
That said, we wish to extend all compassion, help, and support to
Prabhavisnu Prabhu’s siksa and diksa disciples. Please know that you are not
without shelter. As ISKCON’s founder-acarya and preeminent diksa-guru, Srila
Prabhupada is freely giving each of you the opportunity to develop pure love
of God. That has not changed. His mercy and shelter are there for you in
every situation, his teachings still apply to you, and serving him in his
mission is still the gateway to pure bhakti. You also have the shelter of
the holy name. Please always keep your hearts open to the spiritual
protection and blessings you have been given.
Even though the Russian version differs quite drastically from the original version that was sent out on PAMHO and on the Official ISKCON website of Dandavats I wonder if the GBC EC approved this version. If they did then one would have to wonder what they meant by this statement?
As ISKCON’s founder-acarya and preeminent diksa-guru, Śrīla Prabhupada is freely giving each of you the opportunity to develop pure love of God. That has not changed.”
If this is true then what has changed in the GBC that the Russian Community is given this instruction when the rest of ISKCON is given the understanding that Śrīla Prabhupāda is only the preeminent śikṣā guru of ISKCON?
Again if this is true what does ‘preeminent dīkṣā guru mean? Does it mean that Śrīla Prabhupāda is also assessable to devotees as their dīkṣā guru or initiating spiritual master? What kind of system would this be? Oh you can take your pic either have a suddha bhakta as your guru or a kannistha or less a mleccha guru whatever your desire after all it is your choice is it not? It would more accurately read Founder Acharya and Diksa Guru! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
There is a problem when the GBC EC makes announcements and they are translated /edited or changed according to the target readers. It must be very confusing for the Russian devotional community if there is no continuity with regards to their official announcements and the rest of the International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness.
However should we take this GBC EC announcement as an official statement by the GBC EC then what does this mean? Have they finally accepted that their Rubber Stamped Guru’s system is unbona fide and afforded Śrīla Prabhupāda his rightful place in the Society that he established.
These are important statements that I am sure will soon be addressed by the GBC EC.
I have sent an email to the GBC EC regarding this matter and will post their reply… If and when they do.