Sunday, October 31, 2021

Prayers Request for Vrajalalana d.d.

[PADA: Oh no! Another devotee who evidently has -- wait for it -- cancer. Something is wrong pilgrims! 

She is a disciple of NRS, is that his royal highness, his mighty majesty, the sum total of the demigods, Krishna's living representation, another Jesus who can absorb sins -- aka Niranjan swami? Why is there such a regular report of lack of care for the citizens? I forgot, they need the money to sue the Long Island devotees, so they can make them vacate the building, so there will have another ghost town empty place. That is what has been their priority all along. 

Very sad that any devotee has lung cancer -- or any type of cancer. My ex-landlord was diagnosed with lung cancer, and shortly after that he was unable to walk up the stairs, just 6 months in, and he died not long after that. He was only in his mid-40s and never smoked in his life. 

Anyway, after seeing his struggles, we can honestly say -- this is not a very welcome manner of death, it is slow and it has all sorts of complications along the way. He eventually said -- he felt like he was suffocating and drowning 24/7 -- full time and all the time. Not good! 

The only good news is, he loved Krishna paintings and he was favorable to Krishna, and he liked me personally (more than most "devotees"), and thus he was always buying me bags of nuts, fruits, mangoes and so on. Nice guy really.

However! If anyone can help with her plight, that would be good, because don't expect that the GBC leaders will take proactive measures to help her. Hopefully, she can get cured and recover, but generally these cases are not ending well. Let us hope for the best. ys pd]     







Happy Halloween 2021!

 https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/10/trick-or-treat-hari-sauri-halloween.html



It is a fact however that the great sinister movement --
is within our Society.  

[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970]

Friday, October 29, 2021

Long Island ISKCON Court Case / Maharani writes





LONG ISLAND ISKCON INC. UPDATE 

Statement from the ISKCON North America Council
October 16, 2021

A North American legal case that has lasted almost two decades took a decisive turn in favor of ISKCON this past week. This long-running case, known in ISKCON as the Long Island Court Case, began in 2004 in Freeport, New York. At that time, a group of “ritviks” opposed to the ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC) from outside Long Island, through deception and subterfuge, took control of the Long Island ISKCON Temple and the Board of Trustees.

[PADA: OK evidently the GBC let their guy run up huge debts against the temple building -- being used as a lien -- and he siphoned money off for himself. And then the GBC let him run off with the money. I believe that is what started the whole dispute, the temple wanted their money back. Then the GBC put Romapada in charge of the dispute, then the GBC went to court to sue Romapada and kick him out of the New York Temple. If you are already getting dizzy here, its not you.]

(Ritviks are persons who oppose the continuation of the ISKCON Gaudiya Vaishnava parampara as desired by ISKCON’s Founder-Acarya, Srila Prabhupada; and instead, believe that Prabhupada wanted to directly initiate disciples even after his passing from this world in 1977.)

After attempts by the GBC to mediate the dispute and remove the ritviks from possession of the Long Island temple failed, a lawsuit was filed in the Nassau County Supreme Court. In October 2017 the court decided in favor of ISKCON. However, the defendants appealed on a technicality and in January 2021 the appeals court ordered a new trial.

This case is of worldwide significance as ISKCON stands to establish the following:
That, as per Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will and Testament, all ISKCON temples are to be held for the benefit of ISKCON’s religious society at large.

That, as per Srila Prabhupada’s Last Will and Testament, the GBC would continue to be the ultimate management authority of ISKCON’s religious society in perpetuity.

That ISKCON is a hierarchical religious organization.

That the GBC is the sole and ultimate management authority that defines leadership and membership within ISKCON’s religious organization.

The court victory this week resulted from the ritvik’s submission of a late motion to present a lengthy list of defenses and counterclaims at the new trial. ISKCON vigorously opposed this motion and in response the trial judge, Justice Marber “DENIED (the motion) in its entirety.” The Judge ruled that the ritvik request failed to demonstrate a reasonable excuse for further delay or a meritorious defense and would be unfair to ISKCON.

“We are optimistic that ISKCON will prevail again in the upcoming trial,” said John G. Stepanovich, lead ISKCON attorney. “We expect a new trial date in the first quarter of 2022. This will be a lengthy trial that should last well over one week, with witnesses called from around the world, and thousands of pages of supporting documents will be submitted.”

[PADA: OK the ritviks evidently fumbled the ball here. However, all I would say is, do we want any children -- anywhere -- to worship sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, pornos swamis and / or pedophiles as their chain of messiahs from heaven, and is that what the court also wants here? And let it go from there. Of course people don't like my style of arguments, hee hee.

Meanwhile, not sure how this is really totally relevant right now for most devotees. A friend of mine said -- even if the GBC offered to give him an ISKCON temple right now for free -- with no strings attached -- he would refuse to take it because he has no interest in managing a big operation right now. He said even when Srila Prabhupada was here -- managing a temple was a major headache. 

And now that they have bankrupted the institution financially, morally, spiritually and on every level they possibly could, it will be a much harder challenge to manage the bombed out rubble that remains. Worse, he would not ever take a free "no strings attached" job -- managing Mayapur or some place in India -- for fear they would poison him -- or take him out in some other fatal fashion. In sum, he is afraid these guys are criminals and if he tried to clean it up, he would be dead in short order. Does he want to manage an ISKCON center, even if they gave it to him for free? Nope. OK like lots of other folks. 

And! Most devotees are now living outside, independent of all ISKCON properties, and they don't go there -- or rarely -- and they have no interest in trying to take custody of a building or "managing ISKCON" at this stage.

Sort of like the 1936 Gaudiya Matha. 

The leaders got the buildings, but they lost the hearts and minds of the devotees -- who made a mass exodus and "voted with their feet" -- right out of the door. Srila Prabhupada said -- many of his God brothers ended up sitting at tea shops, reading the newspapers and smoking beedis. 

Exactly like many ISKCON devotees, they left and started going to the karmi places. So that means, it is more honorable to sit in a tea shop smoking beedis than to compromise with bogus gurus. I am with them. One ex-temple president told me he feels better watching football on Sunday than going to the Sunday program at the temple. 

OK this guy is gone, permanently. It does not matter what he is offered, he is not coming back -- and neither are thousands of others. So they captured the bricks and stones, as did the Gaudiya Matha, but lost the hearts and minds. Actually not only lost their loyalty, but many of the alienated are constantly cursing at the GBC and hoping they will all -- just get on with their free trip to hell -- and quit harassing everyone.  

Anyway, lets see what happens with this court case down the road. My feeling is, Lokanath swami was right in 1988 when he said ISKCON is turning into an empty ghost town, where did all the devotees go? An empty shell is not ISKCON, it is a empty shell fake version. The buildings in sum -- are not the heart and soul of the devotees, and we can't win their loyalty with a court case, and neither could they do so in 1936 in India. 

And after Bhakti Vikas swami says that ISKCON is like a giant guru jumbo jet factory that makes dangerous planes that crash left, right and center, killing off all the people foolish enough to get on the BVKS plane, a devotee wrote to tell me -- "Wow, they are making deadly bogus guru aircraft, then they wonder why their airplane is empty? I am not ever getting on board either! Ever!" 

ys pd 

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PADA: They have lost most of the devotee's hearts and minds and have made permanent enemies out of thousands and thousands of people. They have a building, great, but they do not have dharma on their side. Displeasing the Vaishnavas is the worst sin there is, and there are tens of thousands of displeased Vaishnavas at this stage.

SD: My friend Maharani DD gave me permission to share her letter to the GBC:
Dear GBC members,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I am a friend of S dasi, who has been sharing documents relating to the Lokanath Swami case on Facebook, and like her and so many others, I was horrified that a grown man who had sexually abused a child was still being worshiped and glorified on the vyasasana. It seemed another terrible stain on the reputation of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON.

Not long after, I was unexpectedly thrilled to hear that you, the GBC, had passed the following resolutions:

Lokanath Swami's authorization to initiate is hereby suspended pending the completion of the International CPO's review of Lokanath Swami's CPO case.
Lokanath Swami is hereby suspended from his role as GBC minister pending the International CPO's review of his CPO case.

This seemed like a wonderful step in the right direction, a chance to begin to redeem the good name of the Hare Krsna Movement, which has been hurt so badly by decades of unaddressed aparadha. However, devotees are now reporting that this is too good to be true, and that the GBC has quietly instructed the ICPO to abandon its investigation.

I do not ask for a response to this email—many of you are great Vaisnavas and are not at all accountable to me.

However, each of you is accountable to Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, and the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Protector of His devotees, Sri Nrsimha Bhagavan. I hope that each one of you will sincerely search his or her heart, and affirm whether the truth of your actions in this matter, individually and as a governing body, will appear satisfactory to our Founder Acarya, to his beloved Guru Maharaja who taught us that “purity is the force,” and to the Lord Himself, who appeared in such a wonderfully ferocious form for the deliverance of His young devotee.

I humbly request you to please let the ICPO handle the Lokanath Swami case, without interference.

Your humble servant,
Maharani dasi

Fundme to Help Sudevi's Family

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-sudevis-family?

[PADA: OK let me get this straight, there is a spare $100,000,000 for lawsuits, but not twenty five cents to help the sick, elders, dying, and / or family of -- the dead? This family will need lots of help, and if you can help, good on ya! ys pd]

Please help our dear Sudevi's family who includes her partner Jorge, two beloved children Vraja 13 and Kianni 5 and Mother Karunevari.

She has been fighting against cancer for years and it advanced in her brain really suddenly in the last 4 months without her knowing. Last week she was in the hospital all week with horrible migraines and this last weekend she was told that she needed to prepare for leaving, they said it could be months or that it could be tomorrow. 

This last week she was home taken care of and loved by Jorge, her mother and close friends. Yesterday afternoon she passed peacefully in the hospital with Jorge and Karunesvari by her side who with the help of a devotee nurse covered her in auspiscuous articles (Tilak, Vrindavan dust, Tulasi, Nrsimha Kavaca and oil) and Srimatis lotus feet at head while listening to kirtan. 

She had two mystical experiences that she shared: She saw a picture of Archangel Micheal in vision and he gave her a message that he was there with her and that she should go home and so she left as soon as she could to spend the last week with her family and friends which was crucial in this transition. This vision and message came to her at the same time that her friend was praying to this angel for her protection. The 2nd that she shared was that the picture of Srimati Radharani that was by her bed side was glowing for her at some point and giving her strength and comfort .

She is a very special soul who became a devotee at 14 and sold her mom the Bhagavad Gita and inspired her sister and brother to all become devotees. She did sankirtan and served her guru maharaja. And she lovingly brought two devotees her for us to help care for. Ever since I've known her she has shown me what a deep connection she to Krsna. Last week when I asked her which form she felt most connected to she said Balaram was her first Guru, she found a picture of Him and right away began sobbing. and she said she also felt very connected to Srimati Radharani.

Her death came suddenly and her family needs financial help for the bills as Jorge is missing work and will need time to morn and take care of everything . I will be helping to coordinate paying the bills , Your contribution will also help us have a beautiful fire sacrifice ceremony that will help her souls journey and bring closure to her family and friends. Her mother and siblings would like to go Vrindavan to take her ashes and they are hoping to take Vraja and Kianni too .Lets help make this happen for them. Thank you so much for you love and support. 

We love you Sudevi! We are here to help you on your Journey home and we love and care for your children and family. 

Graves Into Gardens ft. Brandon Lake VIDEO

PADA: There are a lot of devotees out there telling PADA, "Well jeepers prabhu, we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. That is the bogus Christian ritvik idea"! Yep, we need to make ISKCON into a fractured fairy tale program of guru-mini cults and fiefdoms, where they worship debauchees, illicit sex, criminals, sexual predators and deviants as their acharya, and / or the voters, enablers and sycophants of these pedophile acharyas, instead!

And when the GBC ilk have a pedophile acharya like Lokanath being exposed for being a pedophile, we have to keep him because he has 5,000 followers. 

Meanwhile, this "Christian" video is already getting 30,000,000 views, and it is only one of tens of thousands of Christian videos getting millions of views all day and every day. So we are worried about keeping the 5,000 followers, of a teeny pedophile cult, and that blocks us from getting millions and millions of followers for Srila Prabhupada's mission. Yes as a matter of fact, worship of the bona fide acharya is the path to success, and for spreading the process to thousands, millions or even billions of people.

But nope, we need to stay "stuck on stupid" and are very, very worried about keeping our little teeny house of bogus -- if not pedophile -- guru cults going. And where are they going? Well for starters, the GBC's guru bogus guru program is going down the toilet already in the recorded history of the world. 

History has already recorded them as a GIANT failure, i.e. a guru parampara full of illicit sex, drug addicts, drunks, porno swamis, homosexuals, pedophiles, sex with taxi drivers, and who knows what. So it is not attracting people and it explains why their temples are empty ghost towns. 

One of my associates just now said he has joined the Church because there are no good devotee associations for him and his family. So he will raise his kids as Christians -- so they will have a life of some sort of society. What has driven people to this stage? Simple. We do not have a society that focuses on the acharya. The people in this video --do. 

Notice the success of their formula. So yes, as a matter of fact, worship of the acharya, either Christian system or any other system, is the way to go if we want success either individually or collectively. And if we block people from taking shelter of the acharya, we have committed a serious spiritual crime with very dire consequences for us, and for our society. ys pd   

Damodar Prayers (Guayaquil Devotees) VIDEO


PADA: Nicely done. Notice that the "Little Krishna" series is being copied and pasted everywhere. I do think it is a great tool for entertaining kids, and it is amazing how widespread its use is. Yes it is a cartoon, yes it is for kids, and yes -- you did not make a better tool for kids. 

Make something better and give it to us and we will advertise. We had puppet shows going on when Prabhupada was here and -- ok it was for kids, so no one complained it is not realistic looking. As usual, the not-kid friendly have nothing to show for their anti-kid program. 

Otherwise, this is sweet job. Yes, people in ISKCON can make progress, and the sincere ones are realizing Srila Prahbupada is their real shelter, and we know that -- because some of them are telling me that. And a number of ISKCON refugees are reading our stuff all the time, so they got started there and had to leave, but they are still trying to be Krishna conscious. So we will take them, thanks! ys pd 

Thursday, October 28, 2021

Comments From "Remove Lokanath" Petition


What Child Molesting Problem?

[PADA: Making good progress with a nice young student type "new devotee" in India. This person really digests all the info nicely and it a regular PADA reader. At the same time, this young person is very frightened of the Lokanath regime in India. This person and their friend are already victims of cyber bullying, and they are worried the Lokanath goons will hunt them down -- and do violence. Why would anyone have to fear for their lives from "Vaishnavas"? 

Yup. What we said over and over, Lokanath is the leader of a violent pedophile worship cult that bans, beats, sues, molests and -- kills vaishnavas. This person -- agrees. We said they are dangerous pedophile worship lovers -- supported by their India ICC anal reconstructive surgery epidemic bureau hand maidens -- and more and more people are agreeing. 

Anyway, here are some comments from a few other other folks. We also cannot print some of the over the top language from some folks who sent me their comments, we are trying to stay away from foul language -- although we understand the sentiment.]  

SD: It pains me to sign this petition, but I do feel that this would be best for Srila Prabhupad's mission and for Lokanath Swami. I am the same age as Satya and spent several years in deep and close admiration of Lokanath Swami around the same time; my family even hosted his Vyasa Puja once. I only found out about this incident recently and I was completely shocked; had the same actions been done to me I have no doubt I would have been broken as a devotee and a young woman. 

There is a saying in the west that "Caesar's Wife Must be Above Suspicion,"---people "take one for the team" and leave organizations and missions they deeply care about *because they care about them*, when there is some much lesser scandal. I hope that Lokanath Swami can find the humility to serve his Srila Gurudev in the same way that so many ordinary people have served so many ordinary causes.

RSD: It's just plain wrong.

JO: Good cause

LT: It doesn't matter how long ago he molested a child, he is NOW exposed and must be removed, and also be brought to criminal court.

Chas D Lind

I've always loved Lokanatha Swami kirtans and association, I always will.
Though, at this juncture and what I've been informed with disheartens me.
Even if this is a once-in-a-lifetime nuance from ignorant decisions, this Saddhu must reproach and redeem the vows he's taken.

Management also may be implicated in his demise for leadership needs to honor its dharma, no matter what. Forgive, yes, forget... no. Let the lesson be stern, so he may return to the service he's earned. Justice will provide the foundation to re-build all. lives.

[PADA: Thanks Chas. After giving me years of snarly and snarky comments, which of course aids and abets the molester messiah's project and not the victims, you are finally agreeing with us. Yup! This has to stop. Correct! Entire ISKCON and its management is implicated in promoting a pedophile as God's successor, and it contaminates the whole society. 

Of course protecting predators and pedophiles does not reflect only on top tier management, it reflects on many rank and file who also enable this. 

Bhaktin M just wrote to say -- how could thousands of child victims have happened -- with none of the leaders or parents taking this to the police? Ever? This looks like a "get out of jail free card" for criminals, abusers, pedophiles, predators, and assorted and sundry low class scum buckets to invade ISKCON. What is wrong with these people?] 

MAC: Lokanath already acknowledged it. He needs a therapist chair, not a vyasasan chair.

LP: The number one priority here should be child protection. I am signing in support of the victim, who endured sexual and spiritual abuse; unacceptable conduct of someone in an esteemed position as guru.

DD: A person alone should atone for the sin performing. Otherwise there is a painful duty for the leaders to remind him what should be done. Srila Prabhupada said all renounciates should remember how Chota Haridas was rejected by speaking privately with a woman. And here we have a full blown physical attack on a minor. I mean if two adults agree it may be ok, but not for a sanyasi. But to mess up with children -- that's another thing, not to read Manu Samhita or something like this in direction of Dharma Shastras.

DRD: GBC should follow their own rules it set up to follow.

AK: A society that does not protect women and children is doomed. Therefore we must clean Srila Prabhupada's house.

ASD: Lokanath das was never authorized by Srila Prabhupada to become a Diksa Guru in ISKCON, and by his self-admitted "sexual abuse" of a VAISNAVA CHILD (while posing as guru and sannyasi) Lokanath certainly proved that he is not at all qualified for this very advanced spiritual role. According to sastra such a bogus guru should be rejected by all his disciples, and no one should support him as a guru. This is another proof that the whole concocted guru system in the hijacked ISKCON was never authorized by its saintly Founder Srila Prabhupada who is actual current spiritual master for his Society as per his clear instructions that he personally gave in 1977.

DN: NO child should ever suffer the trauma of being Abused. This man must be stood down.

S NSJ: I am signing to support.

TC: All bogus guru must be removed immediately. Bringing shame to Srila Prabhupada and Srila Prabhupada's organization. Gives a bad name to Krishna the Krishna Consciousness movement. Please retreat yourself if you have repented!
A guru will never make such "mistakes"! No drugs mistakes, no rape and molest mistakes, no illicit sex mistakes...

SKM: An adult person taking a child's innocence is so selfish!

RS: Chaitanya Mahaprabhu wanted it, none should misbehave with devotees.

PW: I was abused by my father who was also in a position of authority in Iskcon Bhubaneswar and reported it to authorities there. They did not do a proper investigation and the abuse just continued and I was even more terrified he would kill us if I ever spoke out again. Iskcon failed me.

LG: It’s a complicated issue. There is a lack of understanding about the consequences of child abuse. I want Iskcon to do better. These conversations are hard but they are what is required to change the consciousness of our devotees. We all need to understand clearly what the standards are.

KM: Figure Heads of our Krishna Consciousness society should not be given a free pass by ISKCON to abuse children. 

ML: I'm signing because I'm a former devotee. In 31 years, I have seen it all -- except maybe murder -- but I am sure I read about it. You have to be a basic human before aspiring to transcendence. A basic human doesn't support a child abuser.

CB: We are all sick and tired and going basically insane trying to understand how ISKCON continues to glorify child abusers when the rest of the world has woken up to this horrific plight! Get with the program!!! Prabhupad would be horrified!!!!

GH: This is an affront to Srila Prabhupada's mission and a wound in the body of Vaishnava sangas everywhere. He should not be allowed to stay in this position, or any position, after this behavior. What kind of integrity does this reflect that he is still acting as a guru after all these years? He needs to be removed. Do it now. --Satya devi dasi (ACBSP)

CP: We should never remain silent in the face of child abuse. Ever. I am shocked and saddened that this is still going on in ISKCON -- and even though I am no longer an active part of the community -- I refuse to stand by and watch this continue.

DM: I support this petition. Please review, sign and share my son's petition to Dell. Please help! Thank you and God bless https://chng.it/7jKzphDD

SD: As a mother of 3 young children, in a family who is actively involved with ISKCON, and has been since being born into the movement, I want to see action is taken with child abusers within ISKCON. By showing that child abusers are held accountable and that the GBC follow their existing child protection laws, they will give all child abuse cases to their own ISKCON Child Protection Office, with no interference or meddling from the GBC members. This will show that the GBC care about the children in their society.

Personally I am not very encouraged in my Krishna Consciousness when I see someone who has sexually abused a child being adored, revered, and worshipped publicly in our international society, and that some of the leaders say "forget about it, it was a long time ago." The average age for a child sexual abuse victim to come forward is age 52. As soon as we know child abuse happens - whenever it happened - we should act quickly and swiftly - following our own laws - to make sure there is justice.

Yours in the service of international child protection within ISKCON,
Serving Srila Prabhupada and his devotees,
SD

EO: A child molester should not post himself as a spiritual leader, nor should anyone else who tolerates and covers up such actions. It is a disgrace for Iskcon leaders to accept this kinds of behaviour

KS: I long for an iskcon that is safe for children, one that my family can return to.

ML: This Lokanath person is not a good representative of the Society. He should be removed from all positions of honour and authority. ~ Madhumati devi, ACBSP

AS: I’m a mother to a daughter. I cannot fathom in any way, this happening to my daughter. There is nothing that would excuse Lokanaths behaviour. My heart goes out to the victim and her family for enduring this violation of her sacred body, for facing the shame, for dealing with blind religious fanatics who are at the bottom rung of human existence and find scriptures to excuse this pedophile’s actions. There can be no rest until this pedophile fully acknowledges his actions and steps down from being a spiritual leader!!!

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CH: And those that didn't help, or were the abusers -- committed serious Vaisnava Aparadha. They will suffer the consequences, not just in this life, but their next life, life after life. Anyone that has praised & supported these demons also has to suffer. 

Any decent person would NOT have treated our little children kulis horribly like this. These people have had very twisted minds. Quite demonic for certain. Hare krsna! Those people along with Bhavananda, Satadhanya M. now prabhu, Dhanurdar etc. ... all of them are evil twisted mentally & sexually perverted ... Kick them out of Iskcon now!! They are Animals and not Devotees!

Kailash Chandra / Hanuman Croatia et al. "Where is Your Guru"?

EJ: Puranjana prabhu, Pranams. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! No one is advertising a "non-existing Madhyam."

PD: Kailash has said the Madhyam can be a diksha guru, but he never names "who" this alleged Madhyam is? Worse, ONLY the Uttama has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, not the Madhyam. The Madhyam will also be overwhelmed if he attempts to accumulate sins. Therefore Srila Prabhupada says the acharya must be a resident of Krishna loka, i.e. then he is protected by Krishna direct from accumulated sins etc.

*** I advocate waiting for the next self-effulgent acarya but following Srila Prabhupada as siksa guru all along.

PD: There are a lot of Christians who are also waiting for the second coming, I really do not see how that would be something Srila Prahbupada advocated? He wanted people to surrender to guru and Krishna now, and not wait for the second coming. Where is this second coming idea mentioned?

*** Real madhyamas are risky but bona fide to do "the initial duties of diksa" for those who take the risk. Are you criticizing Srila Bhaktisiddhanta?

PD: Risky? Madhyam does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if it is risky, i.e. he will get overcome by taking sins, thus it is not recommended. We are not supposed to advertise that we can take sins, when we cannot. 

That is not risk, that is false advertising. If a person does not have brahmana tejyas, he doesn't. Initial duties? We are all doing that, even the kanistha is doing the "initial duties," that does not mean he can say he is doing the final duties also. The person doing the initial duties is an agent, whether kanistha or madhyam.

*** Every devotee is agent for their diksa and siksa gurus to the extent that they are transparent. Rittvik advocates are agents when they repeat the instructions but not when they make up that Srila Prabhupada is still accepting wholesale new disciples. I am not claiming to be the sole agent. You accuse like a devotee Sean Hannity.

PD: Whose disciples are they then? I even asked Kailash how people would offer their bhogha, to a photo of Prabhupada, or to whom else? And he never replied. And if people do not know who is their guru, then they do not know how to even do the basics, like offering bhogha. Whose picture should they offer the bhogha to then?

Srila Prabhupada also never said he would have to be physically present when we would teach people to offer bhogha to his photo, this makes no sense and he never said this. We are telling people to offer bhogha to the photo of Srila Prabhupada, because that is the process he gave us. Why should this process be changed, and how do you propose to replace it? What alternate system are you advocating, it is not clear. We are going to -- not -- offer the bhogha? I don't see where you explain this in detail. ys pd

Wednesday, October 27, 2021

ISKCON India's ICC Pedophile Messiah's Issue



Special Request to sign this petition:

https://www.change.org/p/iskcon-governing-body-commission-gbc-remove-child-molester-lokanath-swami-from-iskcon-leadership?

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PADA: India's ICC bureau ilk folks (like Basu Ghosh) have been saying worship of Jesus is "the bogus Christian ritvik system," whereas they are promoting worship of -- illicit sex with men, women, children, and evidently -- sex with cats -- as their "parampara chain of messiahs from heaven." In sum, while India ICC folks say worship of Jesus is bogus -- their program -- of worship of illicit sex, and pedophiles etc. -- is bona fide. 

The guru is a resident of Krishna loka (God's planet) and therefore the guru is often "engaged in illicit sex" with everyone in the house, including the cat? And that is what the India ICC thinks is a resident of God's planet. Ummm, yep! 

And when these ICC folks find some deviant man who has been having oral sex with minors in his motorhome, they bury that pedophile in a "samadhi" in their holy land -- so their little children can come and bow down to their pedophile's burial site as some sort of holy pilgrimage. Yep, men having oral sex with minor aged males is the same as samadhi (mediation on God) for the India ICC folks! And when the ISKCON India ICC find a nice guy who watches porno -- as thousands of children are being molested all around him, the India ICC folks fall of their seats and licks his feet, thinking they have found another samadhi messiah! And they bury that deviant in a samadhi! 

Did we forget to mention, even the mlecchas walking down Hollywood Boulevard do not think oral sex with minor aged males is "samadhi with God"! And that is why some of the ICC people wrote to me to complain that PADA is a mleccha (someone who does not think men having oral sex is samadhi with God).  

And worse, the India ICC people are claiming that their worship of pedophiles process is what is taught in the scriptures of India (the Vedas) and this is what God wants for human society. Unfortunately, they never show us anywhere in any of the scriptures of India, or any other bona fide scriptures anywhere in the world, where God is telling His human society to worship the ICC's bogus messiahs such as: debauchees, drunks, drug addicts, sex with taxi drivers in the dham, pedophiles, and / or criminals, as the "successors to God." 

Where is this stated, in any religion, anywhere on earth? OK it is not, in short they are pedophile worshipers, thus they want to cram their pedophile worship process down the throats of the children of the world --to have little kiddies worship their pedophile messiahs. And worse, the ICC people are trying to claim that their pedophile pooja process is -- following God, but they are not. Worship of pedophiles as messiahs is simply not found in any bona fide religion on earth. 

It is a concoction. 


Peas in a PADA 


We have been asking these India ICC ilk people since 1978 to show us anywhere in scriptures where debauchees are fit to be worshiped as God's successors, and they never show us any evidence that is what God has wanted and ordered. OK it is what they want to promote, it is not what God wants. 

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Letter COM:2134385 (14 lines) From: Yasoda (dd) BKG (USA) 

Date: 04-Mar-99 01:37 To: Bir Krishna das Goswami [10942] Subject: 1990 Incident Report: Final Version 

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Dear Srila Gurudeva: PAMO AGTYDG AGTSP The report is inaccurate in two areas. If I recall it correctly, when she played the harmonium he caressed her thigh. He moved close to her on the couch when no one was there and pulled away when someone entered. His hand did not brush against her thigh while reading Krishna book ... it was on top of her genitals and I think he pressed down. The girl felt so violated because it was her vagina and also because he pulled away when someone entered and resumed when they were gone. 

This made her feel dirtier. 

YS, Yasoda 

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March 5th, 1999 

Dear Ravindra prabhu: Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupad. I am sympathetic to the difficulties you faced in writing this. Given those you have done a very good job. I do however have a number of concerns. Without changes made along the lines mentioned below I cannot stand behind this statement. 

Sorry, but I just don't think it will wash, but rather it will come back to haunt all of us. I want to see Lokanath Maharaj off the hook and these sad events buried in the past, but I do not think that this statement, as it is now, gets us closer to those goals. It could, with a little more work. Your servant, 

Badrinarayan dasa 

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Information Release from the GBC ------ Brief Account of a 1990 Incident Involving H. H. Lokanath Swami And How the GBC Handled It. 

Badrinarayan dasa: I would drop the "H.H." all the way through it. It sets the tone which may not be the one we want. Lokanath Maharaj is fine and may not rankle others. In 1993, a fourteen-year-old girl of Indian background lodged a complaint concerning H. H. Lokanath Swami before some members of the GBC. (The girl is a daughter of initiated ISKCON members who have long resided in America.) 

The girl asserted that about three years earlier, when she had been eleven years old and Lokanath Swami had been staying in her family's home, incidents took place between them which made her feel sexually victimized by Lokanath Swami. After receiving the girl's complaint, it was arranged for a committee of seven GBC members to meet with Lokanath Swami as soon as possible. 

The GBC also arranged for the young girl to be interviewed, first by a female devotee whom the girl knew and trusted, and then by another female devotee who was a mental health professional in the field of child molestation. The GBC committee had immediately suspended Lokanath Swami from initiating further disciples and restricted his movements while it undertook a complete investigation. 

This is what the GBC committee found out: In 1990, while Lokanath Swami was leading the world-wide "Padayatra" program, he had suffered a broken leg. While convalescing with his right leg in a cast, he stayed for about seven days with a devotee family in America. During his sojourn, Lokanath Swami was frequently pressed by the father of the family to administer spiritual instruction and discipline to his children, especially to the youngest child, an eleven-year-old girl. 

During the course of Lokanath Swami's interactions with the girl, the incidents occurred that the girl later reported. She reported that Lokanath Swami sometimes sat uncomfortably close to her, when, for example, teaching her to play harmonium. Sometimes he would praise her by patting her and saying "Very good." 

One morning, Lokanath Swami, who had been especially charged by the father with the task of getting the girl up on time, noticed that the girl was tardy. While chanting in his room, Lokanath Swami saw the girl in the room directly opposite his. In spite of the late hour, she was still wearing the long T-shirt that she used as a nightgown, and she was upset that he saw her. 

When he told her to go take her shower, she ran into her closet to hid from him. He made her come out, and as she ran past him, he said, "Go and take your shower!" and swatted her (in the behind) with his hand. 

Bnd: They are all going to ask "Where did he swat her?" Head, back, shoulder is one thing … rear end (which is what happened) is another. We are leaving out details which clarify events. I know that this is the painful part but to not do so is like the servants telling the bad tempered king that his favorite elephant had died…

"She is lying down and not breathing". The details will get out; I believe there is already a script read to his aspiring disciples before initiation, and when the details are compared to what we say, we will be accused of a whitewash. 

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However, the incident that most distressed the girl took place one morning in the living-room. The two sat close together on a couch reading from a volume of the Krsna book, with Lokanath Swami's servant going in and out of the room and the girl's mother cooking in the adjoining kitchen. As they sat reading together, Lokanath Swami's hand touched and moved across the girl's upper thigh over her clothing. 

Bnd: It was more than this. His hand was palm down, it was over her private area, he moved it away when the mother or other family member came in the room and then moved it back when they left. The girl moved his hand and he moved it back. I want to let Lokanath Maharaj off the hook and I know this is a disaster for him, but with this version, I think we (including Maharaj) may all lose whatever credibility and good will we have left. 

Reading further, I have come to this statement: "When questioned, Lokanath Swami could recognize the various individual episodes that had caused her disturbance, and he confessed to the emergence in himself, during the incident of reading together, of shameful feelings." This is an improvement. This will pacify the pious and gentle, but I think that those who are angry or suspicious are going to demand more details. 

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The psychologists who evaluated this matter had no doubt that the girl had undergone a disturbing and even traumatizing experience. When questioned, Lokanath Swami could recognize the various individual episodes that had caused her disturbance, and he confessed to the emergence in himself, during the incident of reading together, of shameful feelings. In order to help determine the proper disposition of this case, the GBC sent Lokanath Swami to CAP Behavior Associates, Inc., a group of mental health professional that specializes in evaluating and treating clergy (from a variety of religious traditions) implicated in child molestation. 

The beginning of their written report outlines their procedure: "The following is a summary of our evaluation of Swami Lokanath and is provided per the request of the patient in accord with the wishes of the Governing Body Commission of I sk[c]on. 

The evaluation was conducted over a two day period (6/25/93 & 6/26/93) and consisted of multiple clinical interviews (complete mental status, psychosocial and psychosexual histories), the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory II, the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory II, the Assault Knowledge Inventory, and the Rorschach Inkblot Test." The CAP Behavior Associates team also received a report from the psychotherapist who had interviewed the victim. 

After the evaluation was completed, members of CAP team met personally with some members of the GBC, explained their findings and answered questions. The following are their major findings: 

1. Lokanath Swami is not a pedophile. He presents no danger to children. 

2. Although the girl was young, she had begun the transition to womanhood, and Lokanath Swami did not sexually relate to her presence as that of a child. 

3. Lokanath Swami had been brought up in a way that kept him entirely innocent of the experience of sexuality. He had not undergone the normal (or, at any rate, western) adolescent struggle of coming to grips with sexuality and sexual feelings. Thus, when he found himself put into close association with this young girl, some sexual feelings unexpectedly arose, but these feelings were new to him, and he did not know exactly how to acknowledge them or cope with them. 

The normal, reflexive restraints and inhibitions that experience would have established in him were not in place, and he yielded, momentarily, to impulse, and thus acted in a transgressive manner. 

4. Certain circumstances conspired to disassociate Lokanath Swami from his usual sense of himself and his normal behavior and to make him unusually vulnerable. First, his leg was broken, a serious disability for one's whose main service and raison d'être was Padayatra, walking. Second, his immobility confined him for a prolonged period to an unfamiliar domestic atmosphere, full with family interactions and emotions. 

Third, the strong desire of the father for Lokanath Swami to administer discipline and instruction to the girl also drove him into closer association with a female than he would ordinarily venture. 

5. The episodes offensive to the girl were therefore anomalous, brought about by a highly "unusual concatenation of circumstances." They arose fortuitously, and with a minimum of precautions, such occasions should be easy to avoid in the future. 

6. Lokanath Swami's entire identity and sense of self is built upon his role as a religious leader, and it is a role to which his personality is exceptionally well-suited. Given the unique conditions that prompted the episodes, and given the fact that there is no reason to expect such episodes to occur again, Lokanath Swami should remain in his role as a religious leader. (However, this does not negate the girl legitimate feelings of violation and abuse.) 

Bnd: All well and good, but what about someone who asks, "If he did it once, in the same situation (staying with a family for some days, young pubescent girls in the house) he could do it again. Our only guarantee is that he promises to not be in this situation again. Pretty weak assurance actually. 

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Having received this evaluation, the GBC committee had to make a decision. It's conclusion, arrived at after much discussion, was that Lokanath Bnd: Typo "it's" instead of "its" 

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Swami's fault quite exactly exemplified what Srila Prabhupada termed an "accidental" mistake (B.G. 9. 30-31). Lokanath Swami's transgression was not planned or premeditated. It was, to use Prabhupada's terminology, unconscious, not willful, unknowing. (See for example, the conversation of May 10, 1969, in Columbus, Ohio and the morning walk of January 9, 1976 in Madras.) 

First, the stage was set by the highly "unusual concatenation of circumstances": 

a broken leg, an overlong stay in a householder's dwelling, the obligation to the father to have dealings with the girl, and so on, all of which together operated to put Lokanath Swami in a vulnerable state. Second, Lokanath Swami's own inexperienced condition, his unusual sexual innocence or naivete, meant that at the age of forty Lokanath Swami was suddenly ambushed by feeling he had never dealt with before, and which he consequently had trouble acknowledging and controlling effectively. 

Whenever Prabhupada discussed such an accidental mistake, he referred to the sudden reappearance of a discontinued bad habit. Lokanath Swami case was a little different: there was not even the underlying traces of a former habit. Hence, in his case, it was a mistake that was highly unlikely to happen again. 

Bnd: "Hence, in his case, it was a mistake that was highly unlikely to happen again." 

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Better lay out the reasons why. That it happened once is an argument that it could happen again. The only unlikely variable is that he is unlikely to break his leg again. A vow from him to never stay with an family overnight and to never, ever be alone with young girls may be the answer…with a promise that he will stop initiating if he breaks this. I can see the difficulties in this, but what is the guarantee that he will not be in a similar situation and again be "ambushed by these feelings"? 

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He was found to be neither a pedophile nor a sexual aggressor. At the same time the action was anomalous, circumstantial, and not indicative of future behavior. Furthermore, the GBC could recognize the truth of the psychologists' assessment that Lokanath Swami was eminently suited to his role as a spiritual leader and guide, and that not allowing him to act in that capacity would be utterly devastating to his personal identity, his sense of himself. 

Bnd: "eminently suited"? If we over look the above incident. I would strongly suggest that this sentence be reworded. I can see the VNN headlines now. "Sexual aggressor deemed eminently qualifed to be guru by ISKCON/ GBC". 

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For these reasons, the GBC committee decided his suspension from giving initiations would remain in effect only until Gaura Purnima of 1996. Thus for two and a half years he performed no initiations. By the time he began to initiate again, more than five years would have gone by since the incident in America. Two further stipulations were added to underscore the seriousness of his breach of conduct and to help him atone for his offense to the girl: Lokanath Swami was asked to spend at least two months in Vrindavan in a mood of repentance, praying to Prabhupada and Krishna for forgiveness. 

He did this, and he reports that he continues to repent. In addition, he was directed to seek forgiveness from the victim herself. This he did also, first in writing and later in person, offering his obeisances to the girl in the presence of a family member. 

Bnd: Has the girl accepted his genuine remorse? Is she going to read this and agree or become angry? If she is not in agreement it could be the impetus for her speaking out or trying to sue him. 

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In 1997, Lokanath Swami's leading disciples were also informed of the incident, and , in consultation with the GBC, guidelines were established for informing prospective initiates of Lokanath Swami's transgression and its resolution. These guidelines were applied according to time, place, and circumstance. 

Bnd: "These guidelines were applied according to time, place, and circumstance." What does this mean? Is this the after-the-fact rationale for the fact that he was suppose to tell all his prospective initiates, but did not? We GBCs agreed to his reinitiating if he told all of them and he didn't. Now we take the fall for letting him initiate and him not telling people. This stains the GBCs credibility for what was in fact Lokanath Mahara j not following through on his promise. 

I can understand his difficulty and the pain in this full disclousure. Still he did promise, and he did not do follow through. We are trying to maintain people's faith in ISKCON and the GBC. This statement undermines that. 

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The major misgivings of the committee is that word of this event would eventually leak out, and inevitably become exaggerated; Lokanath Swami reputation would be sullied, and the GBC would be accused of "covering up for a pedophile." 

Bnd: Although that was an element, that was not the only reason. For most of us, the main reason was so that the disciples could choose with full knowledge, so they would not be angry or crushed when they found out later on. If you don't present the full picture we look like we are covering up for him and duping the innocent. 

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Although acutely aware of this likely prospect, the GBC committee felt it to be unprincipled to destroy Lokanath Swami's life and service merely for the sake of expediency. 

Bnd: This sentence is also too glowing in its endorsement. It does not destroy his life to not be a guru. One of the main reasons we agreed was because he cannot see himself functioning outside of being a guru and he would be crushed if he could not continue in this way. To preach, serve the Deities and Vaisnavas, to hear and chant….but not as a guru….would "destroy his life"? We are going to take much flak for these last few lines. 

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The committee also recalled that Prabhupada had himself exercise a policy of trying to protect the reputation of erring leaders so that they could rectify themselves and continue to service the movement. On several occasions when a sannyasi had a falldown and the fact was embellished and broadcast by scandalized gossip, Prabhupada became angry. 

Although no one ever accused Prabhupada of a "cover-up," the committee members realized that if they perpetuated Prabhupada's same policy in the current milieu, they would be so accused. Bnd: Sannyasis falling down is one thing, gurus falling down is another. What about Srila Prabhupad saying that he could be lenient, but we needed to be very strict. 

The argument was that when Srila Prabhupad overlooked these falldowns, we always had Srila Prabhupad as the paragon of virtue and ultimate spiritual purity. Now that falls to the GBC and ISKCON gurus. You are comparing two different times and realities. 

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Nevertheless, according to the teachings and practices established by Srila Prabhupada, Lokanath Swami's sole accidental mistake did not disqualify him from his service, provided he recognized his fault and took every necessary step to atone for it and rectify himself. And this he did. Bnd: Too glowing. Time will tell what he did. We had to work with him over several years to break his long talks alone with Prasanta dasi…if they have in fact stopped. 

If we say "he took every necessary step" we are going to lose all those who spoke repeatedly to Maharaj about this and saw it go on still. Again, I know that this is painful, but I am just trying to work this so we can put it behind us, not give it new life and make it worse. 

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In the event, the worry of the committee turned out to have been well-founded, and the incident has now been broadcast by gossip and rumor, circulating usually in a highly distorted and exaggerated form. Given this situation, we are issuing this veridical account of the 1990 incident and of the GBC's manner of dealing with it. Bnd: "gossip and rumor" is a bit unfair and arrogant. It is a significant event and for it to be in the course of discussion is no surprise. I am not sanctioning the rumor mill or gossip, but I think the tone is condescending and presumptuous. 

He, and we by association, are the ones at fault here; we should not be calling names and pointing fingers. We are trying to convince, pacify, woo, and apologize to the audience, not anger or insult them. As a small note, I think it is better to close with a more commonly used word than "veridical". Although accurate it rings as a bit pompous and may not be the way we want close out this perfume job. 

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Bahulashtami Kirtan (Aindra VIDEO)

 

Tuesday, October 26, 2021

Prayer Request for Basu Ghosh Dasa

 



[PADA: Big defender of the GBC's bogus guru system. Some have said he and Gaura Keshava are more responsible for the bogus post-1978 changes in ISKCON than anyone else, because they helped "shastra-ize" and formalize the worship of the GBC gurus with a whole new system of concocted rituals. Right now, he is one of the biggest defenders of keeping a known pedophile (Lokanath swami) in the post of Krishna's guru successor in ISKCON, much to the displeasure of probably thousands of victims of his molester messiah's project. 

OK artificially making pedophiles into God's successors is never going to make Krishna happy, like forever. And their program of banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing vaishnavas is also never going to make God happy. Like ever -- as in forever.

At the same time, I am not wishing him either well or unwell, his fate is pretty much baked into the cake so to speak. I do however find -- it seems to be a pattern -- their top tier managers are sort of falling into problems, scandals, fall downs, and of course sickness and death. 

There is a lot of karma involved with their making an illicit sex with men, women, children and -- cats -- guru succession -- allegedly from God, which we already know in advance is simply going to irritate and anger God, and the agents of God -- ok like Yamaraja. Trouble makers -- who are making God and Vaishnavas unhappy -- are sure be unhappy themselves. It is their fate. 

We already know he has displeased tens of thousands of devotees who all "mass exodus escaped" from his dastardly molester messiah's pooja plan for ISKCON. And anyone who displeases even one Vaishnava is going to be taken to task for that eventually, never mind mass displeasing tens of thousands of them.

Anyway, it is what it is. We hope he survives all this intact and recants his position, but it seems unlikely, since almost none of them ever does recant. In the end, we will say, good luck and God bless -- you might need all the blessings you can get going forward. ys pd]

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Monday, October 25, 2021

Swarup Hebel Writes About Lokanath Issue

Swarup Das joined the ISKCON movement in the summer of 1969 and was initiated by Srila Prabhupada December 26, 1969.

"The fact that so many children in ISKCON were abused, mistreated, neglected and worst of all sexually molested is extremely disturbing and horrific. The policy set forth by those in leadership positions, whether spiritual or administrative, should be one of zero tolerance. Covering up or in any way excusing such behavior only serves to exacerbate the harm inflicted upon the victims of these predators. It shouldn’t matter that many years elapsed since the time the crime was committed.

This sannyasi admitted to what he is accused of doing, and there is only one course of action for him. He has to beg forgiveness from the person he has wronged, voluntarily step away from any and all positions of material and spiritual authority and go on with his sadhana in an honest, humble and penitent state of mind. 

The other consideration is that if he is unwilling to do the right thing then the institutional authorities are duty-bound to censure him and strip him of any and all positions of authority currently held by him. Unless these steps are taken both the individual and the institution cannot move forward.

[PADA: Sounds like all sorts of "Johnny come lately" folks are coming around to join PADA in addressing the child molesting issue. Very nice, better late than never. A lot of these same people formerly said PADA is foolish, offensive -- and so forth -- over the years -- and that has simply enabled and empowered the bad guys -- and the molesting infrastructure. If the opposition / whistleblower is getting attacked, if not chopped down, that only helps the evil doers move forward. And it has.

Meanwhile, we keep getting more and more folks on board all the time -- such as, an ex-disciple of a GBC guru who says "us samkirtana collectors have been treated like money collecting slaves, while they have been living like Kings. And once we slaves can no longer produce a lot of cash, we are tossed away like a used kleenex." 

Another lady friend of PADA from India said, "It is simple -- the GBC has to keep Lokanath in the post of guru -- to keep the $$$ coming in. This is all about cash, straight up, and that is all it ever has been about." So perhaps now even Swarup Hebel sees, our opposition approach is the increasingly popular opinion, the winds are shifting, so he is turning a corner and joining in with the dissenters. Again, goody for him. Credit must be given where credit is due.

At the same time, over the years Swarup Hebel and his pals like Bhakta das have been sometimes our worst critics. For example these guys have called us "poop smellers" "sewer dwellers" "barking dogs" "offenders to great devotees like Jayadvaita and Radhanath" and similar things. Right, but at least we are trying to clean out the sewer and your interfering is making the stink worse. 

And these guys were always laughing and joking, "oh yea PADA is always talking about homosexuals, pedophiles, beatings, murders and other foolishness." Child molesting is some sort of comedy hour joke for these guys? Well it is not for the victims! 

At the same time, while we are addressing the ISKCON's children being molested issue, to say that is a "poop smelling issue" means, these guys seem to be equating children with -- poop? I am complaining about the mistreatment of women and children, and that means -- I am discussing / defending -- a pile of poop? 

And then these guys make pretend they do not know how their burying the child abuse issue -- is empowering, enabling and facilitating the industrial level abuse regime? It is like when Lord Balarama was at the chess game, and all the cheaters were all laughing and joking at the cheating. Why is child abuse a laughing joke matter for these people?

One of the victims told PADA, that means the day is coming, and soon, when these people like Swarup Hebel and Bhakta Das will be suffering like we were, or worse, and they will be calling out for help, like we were, and everyone around them will be laughing and saying -- "why should we help these smelly piles of poops"? What goes around comes around. 

In short! They also won't get any help when they are suffering -- just like they did not help us when we were suffering -- and worse -- they were calling us children a pile of smelly poops. That is the way they treat others, and so that is the way they will be treated. What one does to others -- happens in kind to oneself later. Well I agree!

As we see below Swarup Hebel thinks people like PADA, i.e. those who are addressing things like child abuse and other crimes -- are farting, shitting, vomiting, pissing, in sum -- vomiting self righteous crap etc. OK what comes around goes around pilgrims. All of the people who throttled our complaints about the child abuse are part of the conspiracy to enable and empower it, and that is why it became industrial level abuse. Anyway, like we said, better late than never. 

And Swarup Hebel's pals like Bhakta das and Srutasrava also ran off to the Gaudiya Matha, the same program that creates homosexuals, deviants, criminals and mayavadas as their acharyas over there. Again, they have never cleared this up -- along with many other things like, why have they been attacking the people defending the children? Anyway, lets see what happens. Swarupa Hebel is at least finally saying that our society's children are not merely smelly farts, pissing, vomit, poops and worse, and they should be protected, so that is a start. 

And we really cannot print some of the foul language comments from victims when they hear these guys are saying PADA's defending children is -- a program about poop. Suffice it to say, these guys are seen as the self righteous offenders, who are drowning in poop, to many folks. So these guys were running around joking and laughing and name calling, when the citizens were getting banned, beaten, molested, sued and -- killed. OK which is why a number of people call these guys -- diabolical, soul-less, narcissistic psychopaths.

In any event, a society cannot function when it acquiesces with child abuse, or worse, defends the regime. We either fix this issue, or our society is doomed. And more and more people are agreeing with that assessment.

ys pd] 

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Sunday, October 24, 2021

Namarasa's Podcast Promotes Mayavada

 

Namarasa prabhu has been promoting this above follower of Narayan Maharaja. And NM  was one of the people -- along with many other Gaudiya Matha folks in Mayapur in 1971 -- criticizing Srila Prabhupada's "Back to Godhead" title. They were saying -- we were never with Krishna, so we don't "go back" to Krishna. I was there.

And Narayan Maharaja says that Sridhara Maharaja's jeeva tattva is correct, i.e. we jeevas originated in brahmajyoti. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur says being in brahman is worse than hell, because in hell you might hear about Krishna, but in brahman, there is zero Krishna consciousness.  

In other words Narayan Maharaja is really saying -- Krishna places His children into worse than hell -- as their original state. God is an evil tyrant who places his kids in hell! Sign me up! 

When some poor woman on Tic Tok allowed her baby to crawl into the dog cage and shut the door, people were calling the criminal child welfare department that she is placing her child in danger. The cops came to her house. Of course, the dog was licking the child -- so the child really was not in any danger. 

In sum, even ordinary mundane people are not allowed to place their children in danger, but God places His kids into a place that is worse than hell, the most dangerous place for a soul to be located? Narayan Maharaja thinks God is more negligent than this Tic Tok lady? And worse, God is a cruel tyrant who makes His kids suffer in hell -- right out of the gate!  

What? God is a worse parent than this Tik Toc lady, He places His kids into hell, worse than the dog cage. How does God become a more negligent parent than this Tic Tok lady?   

Of course, since all of the souls that are situated in brahman have to fall down and come here, that means -- they are saying God curses some of His children to fail and fall, while God blesses other children to originate with Him in heaven where they never fall. Why? God evidently just does all this willy nilly, there is no explained efficient cause for Him to pre-select some souls to be cursed and be separated, while some others souls are randomly blessed to originate with Him. 

OK that is very close to the Vatican idea, some souls start in heaven, some do not. Again, why should we be preaching the Vatican ideas as Vaishnava ideas? 

Srila Prabhupada told us in 1971, yes they are criticizing my Back to Godhead idea, they do not know we were once with Krishna, because they are tinged with mayavada. So now this Namarasa prabhu is openly promoting all these mayavadas and their ideas. But how did you guess, he evidently does not interview us folks to get the counter idea and the citations from Srila Prabhupada on this topic, i.e. that we all originated in Krishna's leela or sport. Unfortunately, another example of taking people away from the instructions of the acharya. 

At the same time, Narayan Maharaja has been the star cheer leader of the GBC's guru bogus guru's process, being no less than their chief "shastra consultant," advocate and "rasika advisor" for the GBC's gurus. And then they had their infamous "gopi club" of NM's followers like Tamal, Satsvarupa, Sivaram, Indradyumna, Giriraj, Mahanidhi and others. 

Wait? While the mass of devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and maybe assassinated, that is a good time to take these crooked MAFIA dons into private conversations about the rasika platform -- discussing Krishna's conjugal affairs, the colors of the saris of the gopis etc. Did we forget to mention that NM's gopi rasika club was orchestrating industrial level child molesting, causing a number of victims to suicide? 

Wow! We originated in hell, then NM helps co-create Tamal's program that some ex-children told me is "Auschwitz for kids." Which is another hell. We start off in hell, and when we get here, NM helps Tamal create another hell for the children of ISKCON. It is hell when we start, and then hell continues from there. And then NM waves his hands -- oh the children are just getting their karma. Ummm, who authorizes NM to assist a program that is molesting children and thus he is the hand maiden -- handing out this karma? 

Anyway there are many holes in their theories, and we have discussed a lot of it previously. It does seem like Namarasa is slanted towards promoting deviations, including mayavada, industrial level child molester regime's cheer leaders and rasika advisors, and defenders of a pedophile acharya like Lokanath. 

We would hope he starts to open the door for counterpoint discussions and not just keep a one sided slanted and biased view of all these topics. At the same time, many, many people are telling me they are very upset with his handling of the Lokanath case, so he is digging his own hole here all by himself, unless he takes corrective steps. 

It also appears that Namarasa is promoting the Bhakti Vikas swami et al. idea that God's successors are often deviated debauchees, who are often engaged in illicit sex, and they are thus falling down like Jumbo Jets, killing all the passengers. And this was another idea from NM, the gurus are often falling and deviating, which is why NM was helping Satsvarupa write "The Guru Reform Notebook," claiming that Krishna's successor gurus are -- ok dangerous Jumbo Jets that crash and burn.


Another Narayan Maharaja idea: Gurus deviate and fall down, crash and burn,
killing all the passengers. Really? 

1) NM starts us off in hell; 

2) NM then helps Tamal make Aushwitz for kids hell;

3) NM has a guru parampara, which is a bunch of crashing Jumbo Jets, another giant hell! And we should promote these ideas? 

And not allow counterpoint arguments?

ys pd

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