Friday, January 31, 2020

ISKCON's Whole Problem is -- Cannabis? (NNV Nathan Zakheim)

PADA: First of all, we'd like to point out that over the years many ISKCON GBC guru defenders have tried to establish that the PADA editor is "a sahajiya" and is "associated with people who smoke pot and take intoxicants," thus PADA is not credible, presents false news (often eye-witness accounts from victims, newspaper articles and police records) and so on. 


The complaints from us about: (A) The bogus appointment of 11 gurus; (B) The banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders; (C) Changing the books; (D) The child molesting and (E) The poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada, etc. are not really valid complaints. Why? Because we are: "Liars who are exaggerating"; We are "The National Enquirer of ISKCON"; We are "writing stools" -- and so on and so forth. One of the prominent people who says PADA is a sahajiya, a liar, an offender, and is "writing stools" and so forth has been Naranarayan Das Visvakarma (NNV) / aka Nathan Zakheim.

Even my police friends say -- that process enables, empowers, facilitates and aids and abets more and more crimes. So when people say, do not listen to the people reporting the crimes because they are bogus sahajiya offenders, then the crimes will have little or no check and balance system. And that makes the crooks, perverts, molesters, embezzlers, false gurus, and poisoners of gurus -- very happy indeed because it covers their crimes, and suppresses those who oppose and expose their crimes. 


PADA: OK for starters, a number of Naranarayan Das' (NNV's) own family members admit to have been involved in the pot process, as well as probably thousands of other rank and file ex-ISKCON devotees. So it looks like he has not really had much success preaching on this topic. As for us personally, we find that a number of the ex-ISKCON people fall into all sorts of devious things, smoking pot being the lesser of various evils. We do not generally harass these victims for their falling away from the process -- and thus for not being able to follow strictly because -- they are refugee victims.

I know of many victims, for example various ISKCON parents whose children were molested. And some of them ended up currently being very ill with very dangerous ailments. Some of them ended up taking intoxicants. And some of them are simply dead from all the stress of the post 1977 ISKCON society. 

And thus we credit most of their problems as due largely to "trauma." And some of them now have a very rocky relationship with their children because of all the trauma these children victims have experienced. Some of these parents and a number of the children thus ended up smoking pot and so forth. So simply saying these people are not serious, they are sahajiyas, they are deviants etc. is only having the effect of alienating them more and more from the religion as its re-victimizing the victims. 

Its not understanding the full picture of all these underlying events. Srila Prabhupada said if we do not treat the children properly they may come to reject the religion. And that is what has happened largely. OK so to attack these victims as bogus sahajiya pot smokers now -- is failing to understand the root issue, i.e. they were mistreated. We cannot attack the symptom without addressing the root. Placing a band aid on a cancer tumor is not going to address the root problem, nor will it fix it. It just covers up the problem, which makes it an even worse mess down the road.   

Previously, when we said that there is a child abuse problem -- culminating in a suicide of victims problem -- NNV (and many GBC guru defenders) said PADA is "attacking Srila Prabhupada and Krishna's body." OK that is simply rubbing salt into the wounds of these victims. They are ALREADY suffering because -- they have been living inside "the body of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna"? Nope. They have to be re-trained to understand what is inside "the body of God" and what is not. And we are doing that gradually, and many folks appreciate, including many victims.

We thus have to ask, are these victims suffering because ISKCON has been hijacked and they have been living in Satan's body? How can the GBC's folks say all this trauma is coming from "ISKCON, which is the body of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna." That is a major insult to Srila Prabhupada and Krishna is it not? Sorry, a hijacked and deviated religion is no longer authorized by God or His gurus. These victims have not been "living in the body of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna," this is simply misinformation designed to confuse people to think demoniac situations are Godly. 

"Those who think that devotion to God and kindness to living entities are different to each other and act accordingly in their life will not be able to follow devotional culture. Their attempt is only a resemblance of devotion. All types of beneficence to others like kindness, friendliness, forgiveness, charity and respect are included in devotion to God. Giving shelter during adversity, teaching academic and spiritual education, giving charity of medicine, clothes, food and water are activities included in devotional culture." 

[Srila BhaktivinodaThakura Sri Tattva sutram, 35]

Nathan Zakheim: Our opinion means infinitely LESS than the opinion of Srila Prabhupada!

PADA: Victims of abusive situations and especially psychological abuse trauma are not always able to meditate peacefully. A lot of the ex-kulis and ex-devotees around San Francisco want nothing to do with Krishna. To tell these people to meditate peacefully and not smoke pot etc. is not acknowledging the trauma they experienced. There needs to be a peaceful shelter situation for these people to come to in the first place, and that was supposed to be the original purpose of ISKCON. That did not happen.

Its not being done according to the original plan. Same thing in the Catholic Church, victims end up alienated from the Church, disliking the Church, and even attacking and suing the Church. The cycle of abuse has to be addressed first, then serene and peaceful "pot free" meditation is the next step. We are placing the cart before the horse. 

Its the sam-kirtana movement, that means congregational chanting. So without the "sam," its very hard for isolated individuals to do the "kirtan." That is why Srila Prabhupada wanted groups of devotees working together -- in or near -- his temples, acting cooperatively. And he said if we were our out on our own in isolated situations, we would have troubles, as we have seen in most cases. 

Nathan Zakheim: PADA's associate gave cannabis to the wife of our mutual friend, and she was hospitalized EACH TIME for several weeks, (after being found running through the streets screaming "I AM MAYA DEVI"....
(same as "SHIVA SHAKTI!"). 

[PADA: There are millions and millions of pot smoking people all over California and we do not find hardly any of them having total mental meltdowns, nervous breakdowns, and running down the street shouting and screaming at anyone. This indicates that the NNV group are mistreating people so badly they are driving them to these types of extreme behaviors. Then, they blame their victims for acting extreme. Even we have seen that some victims of ISKCON's alleged "strict devotees" have been committing suicide, never mind smoking pot for a little relief from the ISKCON tyrant GBC guru hypocrisy process and its hand maidens. 

This type of extreme reaction is part of the result of things like severe misogyny,  manipulation of females, and other extreme psychological pressure the GBC and NNV camp are creating for others. Many devotees have had mental breakdowns due to the extreme pressure they got from these tyrant behaviors, including suicides of child molesting victims. And NNV was foremost in complaining about PADA when we were addressing the suicides, which means he wanted the suicides to continue never mind people running down the street screaming. Saying that deviations like child molesting are found in "the body of God" is going to make a person run down the street screaming at the very least.]

My friend's wife is now a SECRETARY at "Marijuana Anonymous!" If you ask her "Do you agree with PADA's assessment of cannabis smoking?..... YOU HAD BETTER BE ABLE TO "RUN FASTER THAN SHE CAN SHOOT!" (Cannabis was introduced to India by Muslims 800 years ago!)

I gave up cannabis (dealing and smoking) in 1967 ...... I took Srila Prabhupada's DIRECT ORDER to not "smoke" seriously, and as soon as the "fumes wafted out of of my living space" I WOKE UP, and LOOKED AROUND and asked myself... "I FEEL GREAT NOW! ..... When I smoked, I was FOOL NUMBER ONE! .....(Like a Drunk at a "New Years Eve party" dancing around with a "lampshade on my head" ......I HAD THOUGHT THAT I WAS SO "COOL"! SP ONCE SAID, "HOW CAN YOU SAY "COOL" WHEN IT IS FIRE??? Cannabis was introduced in the 1950's and 1960's by the CIA to STOP THE ANTI WAR MOVEMENT!..... (IT WORKED!) THEN, LSD was introduced to keep people from leaving their houses, so that they could DO NOTHING AT ALL!

NOW if SP "came back", they would "gang up and "MURDER HIM" again, so that they could smoke "CANNABIS" in front of his FIBERGLASS MURTI, but not in front of HIM PERSONALLY, IN VANI FORM! 

NOW, this "big" "big" advocate of "spiritual?" cannabis must be used to sedate the growing feelings that the Iskcon Gurus are "bad" (which they are!). This same "advocate" of cannabis, was having darshan with SP in 1975, became enraged at SP, stormed out of HIS quarters, and left the movement until SP WAS CONVENIENTLY OUT OF THE WAY, whereupon, he became "facilitator in chief" for "guru" Jayatirtha! 

[PADA: Nope. I was the main one saying "from the get go" in 1978 that Jayatirtha is bogus. And I was kicked out of ISKCON for saying that. Meanwhile people like Naranarayan das, Hari Sauri and others were saying "Purajana's opinion does not matter because he is a sahajiya." OK so that chopped the legs off my complaints and enabled and empowered the Jayatirtha process. 

In other words, by people like NNV nullifying my complaints about Jayatirtha and discrediting me, that empowers and enables the false guru's process. As soon as I say Krishna's successors are not deviants, these NNV guys chop the legs of my protest by saying the complainant is not valid. Or worse, the complainant is the actual sahajiya and not Jayatirtha.]  

NNV: NOW this same "Sahajia" "drug pusher" wants all the REAL DEVOTEES of SP to smoke POT just like Jayatirtha...... ( I guess he has forgotten that Jayatirtha was BEHEADED by Lord Krishna!)

[PADA: Nope. By NNV and his associates saying that Puranjan is bogus to complain about Jayatirtha etc. because he is a sahajiya, that empowered the GBC to nullify my statements and resist against the complaints. That empowers the false gurus process, the molesting process, the changed books process, the worship of the poisoners -- and the whole regime we have been complaining about. And yes, by nullifying my complaints the result has been that Jayatirtha got his head chopped off and so many other ill effects.

In any case, the imperious over lording behavior of the "strict" seniors and gurus drove people away from ISKCON and into intoxication, just like the same ilk did in the Gaudiya Matha. Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha rank and file had a pot problem, illicit sex problem etc. after they left the mission, but he also said -- they were driven out of the Gaudiya Matha by the imperious over lording seniors and bogus gurus. History just repeated here. 

The primary blame for this process was placed on the bogus imperial commander seniors and gurus of the Gaudiya Matha, by Srila Prabhupada himself. In sum, some former book distributing people I know would rather drink beer and watch football than be associated with these imperious and arrogant seniors and gurus, and I don't blame them either. 

They are now living a more humble, honest and "caring for others" life than they would have if they had stayed and associated with the seniors and elders and gurus of the ISKCON society. They improved their lot, that means, their other lot of being in that association was way worse. That does not justify anything. However its a fact, Srila Prabhupada was always warning "do not make it a stool society," because if we do, everyone will leave and we will have another Gaudiya Matha process of rank and file falling away. 

The GBC made it another Gaudiya Matha false guru stool society, then the rank and file fell away, that is exactly what he said would happen. To say his predictions are wrong is to defy his words. I think his predictions are 1,000 percent accurate, and the history here proves they are. So as usual we are trying to put the cart before the horse, the devotees en masse fell down and that is the main problem? Nope, its not the first problem. All of them were driven out and discouraged, that is the root and original problem. 

We have to address the root before we can address the symptoms. As for mine and NNV's "mutual friend," yes he physically assaulted his wife and broke her wrist while staying at NNV's house. And even her parents were mortified by this brutish, misogynistic and animal like behavior. That means her parents are more advanced, humble and caring than these "devotees" involved in this mess. 

Treating people badly, with physical or psychological abuse and then blaming them for falling down is re-victimizing the victims. A police man friend of mine said -- if there is physical abuse of a woman, that is only the tip of the iceberg. That means -- she is getting psychological abuse all the rest of the time -- and the physical abuse is just to keep her in line with the rest of the garbage going on there.  

Beating people mentally or physically is not the Vaishnava process. Many karmis also told me they could not fathom the levels of cruelty that people evolved in the so-called spiritual society of ISKCON. That people fell away should not surprise anyone. Srila Prabhupada says that a society that mistreats women and children will fail, and he is right. Pot smoking is the least of the problems here.

When devotee children were committing suicide from the abuse, Naranaryan das and his pals like Sanat (Stephen Voith) and Mukunda (Mark Whiteley UK)  joined forces to oppose us from saving these children from dying. They said that we were "attacking Srila Prabhupada's and Krishna's body of ISKCON." Wow, they actually believe that massive anal reconstructive surgery epidemics for children are found in "the body of God"? This is fanaticism on steroids. No normal person thinks like this, then they wonder why their victims are running down the road screaming? Then they started a petition to have PADA removed from the internet, but never made any petition to have the molester messiahs program removed from the internet.

You mean to say that pot head fools sitting in big Vyasa seats while having sex with followers is "the body of Srila Prabhupada"? Why would anyone try to establish that such deviations are "the body of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna"? And molested kids dying of suicide is also "Krishna's body"? How do they come up with this stuff? Molested kids who are dying of suicide are in the evil doer's body and not Krishna's body. And then Krishna Kirtan, Prahlad, Janardan, Pancali, HKC Jaipur folks etc. all chimed in, "oh yea we are with NNV, beating, starving, molesting children to the point they commit suicide is 'Krishna's body.'" Really?

Mass starving, beating, molesting of children, and subsequent suicides of victims is "the body of a pure devotee"? Worship of the poisoners of pure devotees is "the body of Krishna"? So all of this was used to nullify our complaints and it worked pretty good, then the regime was able to nullify us and move their deviations forward with little resistance, because the little resistance we were able to generate was being chopped down by claiming we are the bogus sahajiya sector. 

And the best way to fix the suicide of youth victims problem is to allow that to continue -- because we need to have a pile of dead bodies to "save the buildings of the body of Krishna"? We have no interest in saving people, only buildings. Then we wonder why the children have been alienated? Of course as soon as we said Srila Prabhupada was complaining about being poisoned, then NNV said we are "writing stools." Same thing Tamal said. Whose side is he on here? 

Anyway, the ex-children victims know that these people wanted the victims to die to save their precious buildings. That was the same problem we had with Krishna Kant Desai and the IRM. We have to not sue the GBC to save the buildings! Then they can continue the process of worship of the poisoners of pure devotees in these buildings? In any event, pot smoking is the least of the problems in even in the regular mundane society, and its not the main issue also in the Krishna society, we have much bigger issues to confront.

ys pd

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Thursday, January 30, 2020

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ISKCON India Continental Committee Fights ISKCON GBC gurus

PADA: The "ISKCON India Continental Committee" (ICC) is a sort of parallel committee to the GBC managed by folks like Basu Ghosh and Bhakti Vikas swami, and its supposedly an oversight of the GBC's committee. Currently the ICC is opposing the GBC's vote to ordain female diksha gurus. Meanwhile, as Hanuman Croatia points out, the real problem is that they are rubber stamping gurus in the first place, whether male or female.  

And Hanuman points out th
at so many other deviations have been going on left, right and center, but the ICC only pipes up when the female diksha guru problem has risen up. The ICC has not opposed the whole GBC idea of declaring that acharyas are often fallen debauchees. And not only that, the ICC helps along the whole idea that conditioned souls are acharyas by giving "disciple classes" where "ISKCON disciples" are given instructions on how to handle the situation in case their guru is becoming a giant deviant and debauchee. In other words the ICC is training people with the idea that gurus are often conditioned souls, if not fallen down debauchees.

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One of the leaders in the ICC "conditioned soul acharyas" program is Krishna Kirti das:

----- Forwarded message -----

From: Krishna Kirti Das <>
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2020, 05:38:27 GMT
Subject: Re: ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet

I have no idea who you are. But the idea that only a Mahabhagavata can be a diksha-guru is not supported by either Srila Prabhupada or shastras. Indeed, they support the opposite conclusion. Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 6, which is about the 64 principles of sadhana-bhakti, the 13th principle is that one should not accept too many disciples. 

Notice that this is in a list of principles for sadhana-bhakti, not sadhya-bhakti (perfectional stage). That means those less than Mahabhagavatas can become diksha-guru. Srila Prabhupada explains this point further in Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila 22.118, bahu-sishya na kariba, " Unless he is very powerful, he cannot assimilate all the sinful reactions of his disciples and has to suffer the consequences. Therefore one is generally forbidden to accept many disciples." 

Notice that this is the same list in NoD chapter 6, 64 principles of sadhana-bhakti. The conclusion here is that a suitably qualified sadhaka, someone who is NOT on the perfectional stage of devotional service, a Mahabhagavata, can become a diksha-guru.

PADA: Wait a minute? OK so now a conditioned soul can become a diksha guru and absorb sins like Jesus "as long as he does not take too many disciples"? And one of the GBC / ICC approved gurus is Jayapataka, and he says he wants to have 50,000 disciples. That is not "too many"? How many are too many? And there are also many quotes (often given by people like Mahesh Raja) how the guru must be an uttama adhikary, pure devotee, resident of Krishna loka and etc.

And if we look at the state of Jayapataka, who himself says these GBC gurus have to suffer reactions from taking sins, it appears that the GBC's limit of 50,000 is WAY TOO MANY. Of course many "lesser" GBC gurus who only took a small handful of disciples still had major problems with sickness, fall downs, madness etc. anyway. So its amazing to me that people like Hanuman Croatia think Bhakti Vikas swami's program is bona fide, because its only allocating 50,000 disciples for a conditioned soul acharya, and this is "not too many." If your doctor tells you "do not take too many aspirins," and you take 50,000, then what?    

When we were in India Srila Prabhupada said we should not allow ANYONE to touch our feet because we will be acting as diksha gurus and we will be taking their sins, and we would thus fall down, get sick, or both. Another time he simply said if we take sins we will have to suffer. He never came up with this ridiculous concept that we should "only allow" up to 50,000 people to touch our feet, otherwise that would be "too many." A conditioned soul cannot absorb the sins of another conditioned soul, even one other soul, and that's all there is to it. 

Why does the Bhakti Vikas swami ICC program think taking the sins of 50,000 people is "not too many," when Jayapataka and his cohorts have been getting sick, falling down, and dying prematurely with way less than 50,000? This 50,000 limit seems like an arbitrary concocted figure. And if taking the sins of even one person is forbidden because it could make us get sick, fall down or worse, what happens if we take 50,000 people's sins? 

And then again Srila Prabhupada says that the Gaudiya Matha had a bunch of gurus with a dozen or half dozen disciples, and this was creating a schism. And that is why he said among my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya, never mind the former hamburger eating sector.

In any case, Srila Prabhupada also told us that if a layman performs brain surgery, there will be chaos and people will die. And "guru" is way beyond brain surgery. So we should allow laymen to be gurus, and we should allow laymen to be brain surgeons, knowing that there will be so many bad results as we have all witnessed ALREADY with the GBC's bogus guru process. 

Sorry, but Srila Prabhupada says the reason an uttama guru is not affected by sins is because he has brahmana tejyas which burns off those sins. He said if a neophyte tries to take sins he will be overwhelmed because he does not have this potency. Its not a question of a neophyte accepting not too many sins, or way too many sins, a neophyte cannot burn of ANY sins from others because he does not have ANY uttama brahmana tejyas. 

And then again there are the effects of people
simply going BONKERS 
from taking sins.

OK so the GBC and ICC process says that a conditioned soul neophyte can absorb the sins of "not too many people" and 50,000 is "not too many people." This makes no sense at all? And their guru who takes the sins of 50,000 people is famously very ill if not incapacitated and has to undergo serious medical operations on a regular basis, because self evidently he is overloaded with the sins of others. So all of this is not making a whole lot of sense? 

A neophyte is equal to Jesus, he can absorb sins, but he cannot take "too many sins" or he will suffer sickness, fall down and death, and therefore the limit of "not too many" is 50,000? Seriously pilgrims? And Bhakti vikas swami's ICC has designated 50,000 as not too many, when their star 50,000 limit guru is suffering terribly already from the results of taking sins in this life, never mind the next.  

Meanwhile the ICC is making programs to teach new people how to worship a GBC guru, with a warning that their GBC guru might be a debauchee. At the same time the ICC is saying the whole entire GBC guru program is bogus for passing legislation to make female diksha gurus. Did anyone mention that all this is self-contradiction and makes no sense at all? ys pd


From Hanuman Croatia: 

We all want to establish a society based on Krishna conscious, but we should not be hypocritical while we try to do it. As Indian machos are pushing against female diksa gurus, I am having two problems with this approach. The first problem is their whole approach revolves around the illusory concept of guru rubber stamping. Traditionally, a guru is guru only to his disciples, and he becomes guru by showing competence in knowledge of Srila Prabhupada’s books, and by his personal example.

On the other hand, the ISKCON Gestapo organization puts gurus on the “guru list” and portrays them as universally perfect. Thus, they put intelligent people in the position that they have to glorify and offer obeisances to Sacinandana “Swami”, who is a Ramesh baba follower and who travels around the world with his girlfriend for the last 10 years. And you can’t say anything against this cheater because he is “on the guru list”, and GBC members who voted him to be guru are equally retarded.

If I want to be a member of ISKCON, I have to glorify Radhanath “maharaja”, mayavadi who also associates with Ramesh baba sahajiya and builds hospitals. And he also placed miniskirt girl as manager of his Govardhana Eco village. Additionally, he plays blues with new-age mayavadis on the Bhaktifest. All around nonsense guy must be glorified by everybody because he is on the “guru list”.

So, female gurus are not the problem, the guru list itself is a problem.

So, if we have female gurus, what is the problem. We already had at least 5 sannyasis in ISKCON who had young, unmarried female secretaries. Yet, Indian machos failed to send a strong statement against this nonsense. So, can somebody explain to me how a female guru is more deviant than sannyasi guru with a young, unmarried female secretary?

Due to the influence of Ramesh baba disco dance, Radhanath baba introduced a “counselor system”. Counselor system is like cancer spreading throughout India. By participating in this system, you will remain permanently retarded, glorifying Radhanath baba as “pure devotee”. You will also not be able to see a difference between Ramesh baba and genuine devotees, and you will definitely not be able to see the difference between pure devotional service and Hospital building.

Additionally, In this counselor system, celibate monks are “counseling women”. Such celibate “counselors” sometimes steal a wife of the people who took shelter of them. If Indian machos such as Basu Ghosh and Krishna Kirti would like to establish a more Vedic society, they should deal with a “twisted counselor system”, and divorce leader, who after stealing another man’s wife, engaged himself in “education”.

And the major culprit who didn’t train his disciples properly is mayavadi Radhanath baba. But hey, how could he train his disciples in staying away from women, when his “best friend” Ramesh baba spends his nights watching girls dance. He will never be able to give real knowledge because his brahmacaries are practicing yoga with girls. And also, on his Govardhana eco village, he is organizing girl-touching seminars.

Today, we are publishing a story written by a disciple of Radhanath Swami, whose wife was snatched by “counselor women hunter”.

The horror story of Radhanath’s counselor-wife-stealer system

Hare Krishna HH Radhanath Swami Maharaj, Dandvat Pranam
Please accept my humble obeisances
All glories to Srila Prabhupada, All glories to Guru & Gauranga

From Your Disciple
Amala Nitai Das (Arsh Khanna)

[PADA: This is good, however Hanuman Croatia still has failed to answer who we should offer bhogha and disciples to now. He is against the GBC system, but he does not know what is the right system. To say we have to offer bhogha and disciples to "no one" is mayavada. He never identifies who we offer these items to despite our asking him for years. OK he does not know the answer. If he does not even know who gets the offering of these items, he has not understood how to approach Krishna. ys pd]

Tuesday, January 28, 2020



AUSPICIOUS DAY because it is Appearance day of Mother Vishnupriya Devi (consort of Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu) and so many stalwart devotees appeared this day (Sri Raghunath Das Goswamiji, Sri Pundarika Vidhyanidhi Prabhuji, Sri Raghunandan Thakur Prabhuji; Disappearance of Sri Vishwanath Cakravarti Thakurji, …PLUS it's Vasant Pancami, Sarasvati Puja.

On all of Krishna's visits to the material world, He's accompanied by His pleasure potency - His internal spiritual energy personified, in the form of Lakshmidevi or Srimati Radharani. As Krishna expands Himself into innumerable avatars, Srimati Radharani also has unlimited expansions to accompany Krishna everywhere. Srimati Vishnupriya Devi is one such expansion. She was the second wife of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

About Srimati Vishnupriya, Srila Prabhupada says in Teachings of Lord Chaitanya:
"During his residence in East Bengal, His (Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's) wife Lakshmidevi left this world from the effects of snakebite. On returning home, he found his mother in a mourning state. He consoled her with a lecture on the uncertainty of human affairs. It was at his mother's request that he married Vishnupriya, the daughter of Raja Pandit Sanatana Mishra."

And in the Introduction to Srimad-Bhagavatam:

"For His first twenty-four years He (Mahaprabhu) remained at Navadvipa as a student and householder. His first wife was Srimati Lakshmipriya, who died at an early age when the Lord was away from home. When He returned from East Bengal He was requested by His mother to accept a second wife, and He agreed. His second wife was Srimati Vishnupriya Devi, who bore the separation of the Lord throughout her life because the Lord took the order of sannyasa (renunciation) at the age of twenty-four, when Srimati Vishnupriya was barely sixteen years old."

Dust Storm Larger Than Britain Sweeps Australia

PADA: Wow folks, Kali Yuga is not fooling around. An Australian devotees writes PADA to say, this is the result of worship of Bhavananda, Hari Sauri, Prabhavishnu, Devamrita etc. over there, its making severe reactions. ys pd

Krishna Will Remain With You Perpetually (SP Video)

Trauma for ISKCON Youth and Parents Continues (Dhanurdar problem)

***** Dasi: It’s so painful to see Dhanurdhara Swami walking freely in saffron robes, leading followers through Vrindavan, when a whole generation of boys will never return here, after the life-long trauma he has inflicted upon them. My heart races with frustration and pain to see our entire community continue to support and enable him. This breaks my heart and bhajan every time I encounter him! 

***** Das: I wish some real Kshatriyas could and would bring and give the proper Justice!
***** Dasi #2: Trust me girl I feel your pain 1,000%. Many of them continue to be praised as great devotees. Well some of us suffer from anxiety and PTSD. and yet our communities still allow this to go on because they just want to sweep it under the rug. We are the unforgotten generation.
***** Dasi #3: I just saw his page. Indeed he is still worshiped as a pure guru. Nauseating!

***** Das #2: You’re right, it’s not complicated. It’s very simple. Abusing children who cannot protect themselves is wrong. History has shown that ISKCON groups like a child protection office does not get the job done. It’s up to devotees with a voice to make it clear that men like him need to be held accountable and it’s up to parents to think for themselves and be sensitive to their children’s needs before letting them associate with disturbed individuals who harm children. It’s simple. ISKCON should have a zero tolerance policy and protect children.

***** Dasi #3: 2 years ago Brahmatirtha (Bob Cohen) tried to cover up my sexual abuse case that happened in iskcon Alachua when I was about 10. In order to support Lakshmimoni .... yeah and I was ridiculed and he continues to have his leadership position, and walk around freely at my temple with his wife (who was my therapist) and my daughter's too. While I had to find people to testify on my behalf 30 years later. 

These people make me sick and I rather have my own Sadhans at my home, then see the caca that goes on. Super heartbreaking.

***** Dasi: And now what? ... Do we have to sue them to get therapy? This impacts us as adults too! Retraumatizing!!!

***** Dasi #2: When I asked for him to pay for my therapy for what him and his wife did to me and my family ..... His answer was, only if she fixes our relationship first. I was like really you son of a b****??? So now I have severe PTSD and anxiety major flashbacks for years of my life. Well, temples get built but there's no money for child therapy or adult therapy.

***** Das #3: We need to file another lawsuit for control of the movement. The last one was a joke.

****** Dasi: I literally need therapy. I’m shaking... Disturbed me so much last year, I had major depression after Vrindavan about this.

[PADA: Yes, we agree with these folks. ISKCON is still promoting many of the leaders of the child abuse webs and nests infrastructure, if not some of the perps and child beaters like Dhanurdar. Its amazing to me that when PADA editor pointed out the child abuse problem over the years, so many people attacked me from both the GBC and rank and file side. We were insulted, harassed, vilified, called sahajiyas, threatened with death, chased with baseball bats, had our friends beaten and assassinated all to protect -- what? 

And some other ex-kulis wrote to tell me how sick and disgusting it is to have Kirtanananda worshiped in a samadhi and his henchmen like Radhanath are big leaders now. And all this is part of the process to nullify our protest, but for what good end? And Jayadvaita says Krishna's / ISKCON's gurus are often illicit sex with men, women and children deviants (so what?) and he is worshiped as a big saint all over ISKCON. How does that not traumatize the victims?

Its almost like many folks wanted the abuse to continue and the leaders of the abuse process to be worshiped as gurus and messiahs on purpose. How could so many people not know this is ruining their society's children, ruining ISKCON's family structure, and ruining ISKCON in the process, yet they have been cheer leaders for the evil doers process? The only good news is, at least some of us protested. One young devotee wrote to tell me he is giving up fighting ISKCON leaders because not only the leaders are bad, but most others are compromised with these bogus leaders, its a losing battle, so its hopeless. 

Anyway it is hopeless to some extent. 

Fortunately, we keep getting new individuals and even small groups of warriors here and there, and we are getting some nice contacts in UK, Russia and a few other places, who are really dedicated to righting the wrongs here. Its very sad that so many children were victimized -- and seeing their victimizers being worshiped is -- re-victimizing the victims. There is clearly a special place in hell for those who uphold this process. 

Anyway, if some people still think we are wrong on this issue, they are compromised with the evil doer's process, that's all there is to it.  

ys pd]

Monday, January 27, 2020

Alcoholic Near Death Recovers With Vegetarian Diet

Jayapataka initiates 900 people in Bangladesh

*He is unstoppable!*

*Guru Maharaja has reached milestone of 50,000 disciples*

27th January 2020 could be called as a remarkable day in the history of ISKCON, especially for the disciples of our most beloved Guru Maharaja Om Visnupada Srimad Jayapataka Swami, who has been tirelessly spreading Lord Caitanya’s movement by the blessings of HDG AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada since last 52 years. Srila Prabhupada has given many instructions to our Guru Maharaja and one of those was to make 50,000 disciples. 

Today total 919 devotees took Harinam initiation at Sri Sri Radha Gopinatha Temple, Thakurgaon, Bangladesh and this has added a new feather in the cap. Guess what? 

Yes, Guru Maharaja has reached milestone of 50,000 disciples. Starting from March 1978, Guru Maharaja has kept his mission on to take the responsibility of making disciples to guide them through in the path of Krishna consciousness and in less than 42 years’ time he has completed that instruction. A glorious life, entirely dedicated simply to serve his spiritual master’s vani, which has blessed the humanity with his unlimited compassion to the fallen souls, unwavering executions of the commitments to his spiritual master and unparalleled contribution for the Hare Krishna movement, will go down in the history without any doubt.

At the end of the ceremony, Guru Maharaja had listened to the wonderful kirtana of the local devotees and danced ecstatically where thousands of devotees were floating in the ocean of transcendental bliss by accompanying him in the sankirtana.

*All glories to Srimad Jayapataka Swami Gurudeva!* *All glories to his astounding selfless service!* *All glories to Srila Prabhupada!*

- Mani Gopal das
JPS Office

[PADA: Well yup, but Jayapataka himself said a lot of his Bengali followers cannot even read and write. What is the quality of these followers? Some of his disciples came to the USA to be poojaris, and they were chatting with the young waitresses at the doughnut shop after mangala arotike. 

And first he had to have the rest of us banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated -- and have ISKCON bankrupted with his molester webs and nests process. And lets not forget his nice GBC program of burying pedophiles and porno swamis in samadhis. So now 50,000 people think this is a great program, who knew! ys pd]

Thursday, January 23, 2020

Gaura Gopal Das (NZ) "PADA is Poison"

GGD: Then seek out dedicated devotees who do not gossip and only look for faults, avoid such devotees like you avoid poison. Dedicated devotees are hard to find but can name some I know like Sevananda Dasa ACBSP, Bhrigupati Dasa ACBSP. 

Look for those who repeat scripture and NOT the faults in ISKCON. 

[PADA: OK here we go again, Krishna's successor acharyas are generally defective, faulty, mundane men, full of faults. And in fact acharyas are often illicit sex debauchees. How do we know this? We cite shastra. What shastra? The Devil's Bible, what else? Hee hee! Notice that Sevananda and Bhrigupati are mentioned, but are not really advertised as the big acharyas of ISKCON. We cannot even find one of their acharyas worth honorable notice? 

An acharya is supposed to be a TATTVA DARSI, a guru, i.e. a person who has seen the truth and is therefore -- one who knows God personally. However in the Gaura Gopal parampara, their TATTVA DARSI gurus are falling into illicit sex, drugs, criminal activity and so forth. So the guru is a TATTVA DARSI, he sees God constantly, and he is thus simultaneously a falling down degraded soul. And this is REPEATING SCRIPTURE? What scripture says God's successors are often debauchees? 

OK that means they have not read the ACTUAL shastra where it says, anyone who claims acharyas are faulty and mundane men are RESIDENTS OF HELL (Narakah sah). The Gaura Gopal sampradaya says God's successor acharyas are in fact, illicit sex with men, women and children deviants, sexual predators, criminals and so forth. And this is stated in -- shastra? Nope! These people have no clue what is stated in shastra. Of course, not really rocket science here, the average Joe six pack guy on the street knows deviants are not, and were not EVER God's successors.] 

Associate with devotees who strictly chant 16 rounds a day and reads Prabhupada's Books every day And most important of all, be kind and merciful to the fallen, and NEVER taking pleasure in hearing about their fall downs to condemn them. 

[PADA: OK, so when the ISKCON GBC's false acharyas are falling down left, right and center -- no one should bother explaining to the innocent public that these bogus people who are falling down are NOT God's successors and acharyas. If we find some drunken womanizer claiming to be as good as Jesus, we should fall down at his feet, and promote worship of that person to others ourselves -- to mislead the public?  


We should allow the misconception that God's successor acharyas are often deviants, sexual predators, drunkards and fallen beings -- to be allowed, and we should not defend the parampara as pure?  


We should "be merciful" to these fallen acharyas, and let them exploit ISKCON by artificially posing as messiahs and taking advantage of the financial resources of the society, if not having sexual exploiting going on as a side benefit. However, we should never "be merciful" to the people who want to worship Srila Prabhupada, those people should be banned, beaten, sued and assassinated! No mercy for them?


No, devotees represent Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu who is the deliver of the most fallen so NEVER waste time gossiping. Seek out humble caring merciful yet strict devotee and avoid pretenders masquerading as devotees. I blocked PADA years ago because his gossip is poison. Gaura Gopala Dasa

[PADA: Saying that acharyas are not deviants is "gossip"? Or isn't that what shastra says. Is shastra -- gossip? Good point here: We have to avoid pretenders masquerading as devotees. Bad point here! We cannot warn others to avoid same. We should allow others to follow the blind, and fall into a ditch.

Still cannot figure out why we should allow the innocent to fall into the GBC's false propaganda program of saying conditioned souls are God's successors. Meanwhile, more of the GBC temples are allowing Hindu programs to take over on their property. We should not criticize the Hindu-ization of ISKCON, when Srila Prabhupada did that regularly.

So this is pretty amazing, as soon as we say (A) Deviants are not acharyas, (B) Srila Prabhupada's books should not be edited, (C) Banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating Vaishnavas is a severe offense, (D) Child molester gurus and their webs and nests infrastructure is bogus, (E) Srila Prabhupada complained of being poisoned, and so on ... we are speaking poison, and the defenders of this process are speaking the truth.

They are they tattva darsi sector. Really? As one ex-gurukuli reports to PADA, he has to avoid all these people to SAVE HIS OWN SOUL, because these people are DESTROYING the soul's of others, as they destroyed so many of this kuli's associates and friends. Yep, killers of the soul, as is mentioned in the Sri Isopanisad. But, heaven forbid we warn others to avoid these killers of the soul? OK then you are implicated in aiding and abetting. Anyway, not too worried here, there are alway people preaching that Krishna is a debauchee and so are His acharyas, this is nothing new.

Meanwhile, we are glad ISKCON is getting various people interested in a general way, then they can eventually find our stuff, and many are.

ys pd]

PS: Taking karma is not for neophytes. 

Krishna and the Fruit Vendor (VIDEO)

Monday, January 20, 2020

Its Mahavishnu Swami's (ISKCON) Vyasapuja (VIDEO)!

[PADA: Thanks J dasi for sending PADA this video link. You are also not alone being very disgusted how all the people in the "Harvard meeting video" were laughing and joking, while ISKCON is gradually deteriorating more and more, and is taken over by the Hinduized process. This video of Mahavishnu swami is very insane, you are correct, and who could not agree? Yep, what kind of religion would advertise this person as the "pure devotee successor to God"? And why would we equate this person to Vyasa, and give him a Vyasa puja ceremony? Good question.

Same question cannot be answered by our good pal Hanuman Croatia. He worships the "jolly swami" -- ISKCON's Sridhara Swami -- who was always laughing and joking, as the devotees were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and shot to death. And Hanuman also follows Bhakti Vikas swami, one of the ring leaders of making ISKCON a Hindu-ized process. 

And these guys are going to save us from the "ocean of death," when the mass of devotees around them are being banned, beaten, molested, sued, and assassinated? Everyone else has to drown and be beaten off the life boats, so they can hi-jack the life boats? 

Anyway, yes, it looks like these folks are going more and more bonkers as more and more of the wheels come flying off of their "conditioned souls are God's successors" out of control runaway train. I agree, this looks totally bonkers, and thus its a terrible advertisement for becoming a pure devotee of God.

I need to become a pure devotee, which is a lot of work, so I can act, look and behave like these fools? Its a bad advert for the chanting, its making the chanting of God's name into a giant clown show. Yep, another jolly swami, laughing as others are drowning. You got it! ys pd 

40% In India Will Face Water Crisis by 2030

Sunday, January 19, 2020

Martin Luther King Ratha Festival Jan 20 Los Angeles

Radio Puja Stream Service

Have not had time to check this out really, but supposed to have kirtanas, bhajans in the AM and PM, otherwise Bollywood during the daytime. ys pd

Srila Prabhupada's Untimely Departure (

[PADA: A devotee wrote to explain that the real reason some of the leaders are so upset with making "Female Diksha Gurus" is -- their Hindu support problem. The Hindus have already taken over major sectors of ISKCON, including places in Australia where they are are already giving Hindi classes. We had a big "Bhagawat Sapta" guy travelling around here in places like Atlanta etc. And lets not forget Hindu car poojas, Hindu wedding business etc. that ISKCON relies on more and more for donations.

So if the Hindus reject the GBC over their Female Diksha Gurus, and they are already in many cases the legal signers and legal directors of the ISKCON properties, then ISKCON will be lost in total. The legal signers will simply start to invite the more traditional Hindu gurus there and ISKCON will be lost, including the properties. 

And the GBC will be left in the dust. Of course that is already happening as ISKCON is morphed more and more into a Hindu-ized process. And that explains why people like Bhakti Vikas swami sets up camp with the Hindus and he avoids the West for the most part, he is part of the Hindu-ization process. 

OK so that process has already happened de facto, the GBC programs in many temples are gradually adopting Hindu festivals, Hindu speakers, Hindi classes and so on and so forth. So this devotee said the Female Diksha Guru issue is really, the final poison pill to completely ruin and eliminate ISKCON. 

This idea will poison the few faithful Hindus that are still keeping the doors open in many centers, and they will reject ISKCON and turn it over to their own programs. In other words he said, ISKCON is being poisoned with bogus siddhanta, and that has already made it very sickly and dying. And the Female Diksha Guru position might be the final poison pill the GBC gives ISKCON to kill it off completely. 

Of course we were the first to release the "poison tapes" where Srila Prabhupada himself complains of being poisoned. At the time even some of our fellow ritviks like Krishna Kant Desai, Adridharan, Kamsahanta and others vigorously stomped jack boots on me to try to halt my release of the tapes. They thought that we should allow the poison givers to remain as the leaders of the religion -- because self-evidently they never understood that if we worship Judas, the religion will die anyway. 

They said if we release the poison issue "ISKCON will lose its properties." OK but the Hindu-ized process is causing the properties to be lost anyway? So we have to prevent helping people understand the process of the poisoned root, and make some sentimental adjustments to the wilting flowers on the poisoned plant? How is that working out for these guys? 

Of course Narayan Maharaja was also spitting mad when we introduced the poison issue and he invited me over to talk about it, but left me sitting all day avoiding seeing me, because he knew I had the tape and we had conclusive evidence his GBC pals were part of the poison sabha. Another guy who thinks worship of Judas is the way forward. And that is why some Narayan people recently said PADA is like a toilet, we exposed that Narayan Maharaja is the boot licker of the Judas party of ISKCON, and they are infuriated they were exposed.  

So this devotee was saying: They first poisoned Prabhupada; Then poisoned his movement by driving out the original students; Then poisoned his gurukula children with mass molesting; Then poisoned his books by changing them, and now they want to place the final nail in the coffin and drive out the little bits and pieces of support of they get from the Hindus with their Female guru deviation. And then ISKCON will vanish in toto. And so this devotee asked me, was that the plan all along? Apparently so? ys pd


Saturday, January 18, 2020

Narayan Maharaja Group Equates Pure Devotees With Toilets?

Narayan Maharaja folks claim that the ritviks are worshiping:
a toilet? And this is their "rasika-ness"?

A follower of Narayan Maharaja (Ramanandha Das Madhuryam) has been sending PADA graphic photos (above) of his idea of what the process of worship of a pure devotee really is like, its like worship of a toilet. So we cannot worship a pure devotee, because that is toilet worship. Why can't we worship the pure devotee? Because! We have to worship NM's illicit sex with men, women and children guru program headed by NM's pals like Tamal instead. Who knew! Wait a minute, didn't NM's promoting the GBC's illicit sex guru program take ISKCON into the toilet? Many folks think that is what happened.

Yes, even a regular church priest (ritvik) worships Jesus and he does not worship Narayan Maharaja's GBC illicit sex deviants as their messiahs. That is why the followers of Jesus aka the USA police, FBI, courts, media etc. had to go after these bogus gurus annointed by NM in the USA, they had better discrimination than the GBC and their so-called NM shiksha gurus. 

As soon as we came out with the poison issue, Narayan Maharaja invited me to his ashram to discuss this issue, but he then refused to meet me all day and then he sneaked off the property, because he knew I had the tapes and this would make him look foolish for promoting Tamal.

Sulochana said that if GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Narayan Maharaja had supported the worship of a bucket of dog manure, then all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders would not have happened, because a bucket of dog stools does not harm anyone. However, folks like Narayan Maharaja are not advanced enough to promote worship a bucket of dogs stools. 

And in point of fact, Sulochan was killed by the bogus gurus supported by NM, so he was correct. NM also supported the idea we have to offer bhogha to these GBC guys, so now, no one was eating prasadam anymore, you cannot offer bhogha to a conditioned soul. Yep, as soon as we said there is banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders, Narayan Maharaja said who cares, these people are ritvik poison, so he was demonizing us to defend the regime.

NM supported the worship of the illicit sex acharyas, and we had to have them sued for $400,000,000 in Dallas, yep NM was in Dallas hanging out with Tamal. He loved those guys. Notice that NM is hugging the pedophile guru Kirtanananda.

Hugging Pedophile Acharyas, Discrediting Real Acharyas

And at the time NM knew this KS man had orchestrated murders ... But he does not have a spare moment to talk to us? Well yep, we do not worship deviants as acharyas. NM is hanging out with Tamal in Dallas, and their program had to be sued in Dallas, it all fits. Why does NM support such anal sex guru programs? Anyway this is good progress, they have no intelligent reply and never had any the whole time.

Worship of a pure devotee is like worship of a toilet, told ya that is what Narayan Maharaja program was saying all along! Of course we can worship his anal sex epidemic guru program, that is the program he promotes instead. Why do Narayan Maharaja followers think worship of a pure devotee is like worship of a toilet, and we need to worship their illicit sex acharyas process instead? 

And why has Jadurani, Jnana das, Tripurari swami, Jagat Guru swami, Pancadravida swami, Bhagwan das, the GBC, the Gaudiya Matha, and all sorts of these assembled people gone along with the idea that our idea of worship of a pure devotee is some sort of evil "ritvik" deviation, and we need to worship their illicit sex deviants acharya process instead of pure devotees? 

Worship of a pure devotee is equal to worship of a toilet, then they wonder why ISKCON went into the toilet? Because they crammed ISKCON into the toilet, and unfortunately their idea that worship of a pure devotee is like worship of a toilet means that Srila Prabhupada is correct, the Gaudiya Matha promoted false acharyas because they are envious of the actual acharyas. Anyway, we told you that NM hated to see pure devotees being worshiped, and now we find that his followers think pure devotees are equal to toilets. Told ya!

And then we have the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks who want us to listen to GBC / Gaudiya Math / Radhanath lovers like Bhakta das, who is also a big fan of the idea that the ritviks are bogus because they are not worshiping all these deviants, and they worship a pure devotee instead. 

To Sum! Where do people go when they say worship of pure devotees is like worship of a toilet? They go straight into Yamaraja's toilet, this is stated everywhere in shastra. Anyway I am glad they are finally openly admitting they think pure devotee's worship is equal to worship of a toilet, they should just be honest and I applaud them for finally doing that. Its an admission of their crime. I like the person who writes to PADA that we should call Narayan Maharaja "Toilet pada," sums it all up nicely.  

ys pd ///

Thursday, January 16, 2020

RE: Integrating Gays Into ISKCON (Basu Ghosh)

Text PAMHO:31873566 (82 lines) From: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) Date: 15-Jan-20 13:18 -0600 Bcc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9231] 


SABHA to recommend Gay Culture be integrated into ISKCON 
- article ------------------------------------------------------------ 

Home Base: ISKCON Baroda Camp: Frisco (Dallas), Texas, USA 

Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Just now I received a very disconcerting letter from Pancharatna Prabhu, the TP of ISKCON Jaipur, and the Chairman of the IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee, constituted by the ISKCON India Governing Bureau). The letter has been uploaded to the internet, here: 

Here is what appears there: ########## 


SABHA to recommend Gay Culture be integrated into ISKCON BY: 



Now the latest topic of the SABHA [Spiritual Advisors Bhagavata Assembly] is integrating LGBT. Lesbians homosexuals bisexuals and transgender people into ISKCON. The SABHA are discussing and will work on a proposal to the GBC at a later stage. 

Of course not many will maintain celibacy and will need to get married, so a same sex marriage proposal will soon follow. So far men, women, gurus, and Sannyasa have written, all approving the idea and encouraging. Only I have written in the negative. Seems there are some that are intent on splitting ISKCON into further denominations. 

Maybe ISKCON West and ISKCON East. It’s going that way. How can you get a win win without compromising everything. I feel we need to make a strong stand here with one voice. 

Your servant, Pancaratna Dasa President, 

ISKCON Jaipur 

ISKCON India representative on SABHA 

########## END QUOTED ARTICLE ########## 

This, and the resolution already passed by the GBC authorizing female diksha gurus in ISKCON, are both blatant violations of the vedic shastras concept of the role of women in society and homosexuality, and what Srila Prabhupada instructed on the role of women in society, his instruction that women cannot be diksha gurus, and his time and again condemnation of homosexuality. 

Our leadership is emulating the role of the reform movements in Protestant Christianity, and Reform Judaism - that are simply put, "the religions of the meat eaters" (Srila Prabhupada told me these words at Vrindavan on a morning walk during September 1975). 

It is my hope that you [from a letter sent separately to senior sannyasis] will speak out against this before the upcoming GBC AGM next month. My most humble advice is that you write personally to each and every GBC member (some of you are GBC members) stating your opposition to these actions. 

Hope this meets you well. dasanudas, 

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P.S. Seems that the GBC created the "Sabha" as a "tool" to steer ISKCON clearly into the "liberal, feminist, egalitarian", camp. And we are paying for the Sabha - Rs. 7,80,000/- (from the GBC annual budget) through our GBC fees... 


Join the discussion…

Amara Das Wilhelm: Just follow Srila Prabhupada's own example and everything will be fine. Srila Prabhupada was very kind and accepting of his gay, lesbian and transgender disciples. He was never nasty toward them and he never kicked them away. He encouraged everyone to follow the principles but if they were unable then they could live outside the temple, render service and remain a part of the congregation. I hope the GBC reaches a wise and compassionate decision in this regard. ISKCON should never tolerate or allow any minority group to be mistreated, abused or rejected by its members and centers.

Raviraj Subhash Gattani • 8 hours ago • 

Why should one need to be included. Iskcon is already open to all. By including what it means is right to positions. But positions are by qualifications, and following 4 regs is one important qualification for most positions. So a class of people who are defined by their way of seeing sex are by default unacceptable for positions in Iskcon. 

Sex life is only meant for procreation, IDEALLY, and one needs to at least accept this idea to have a position in Iskcon. As it is, even in India we are finding it difficult to make sure that those who are not following purity don't get in positions, and this is with conventional married people who believe in believing in sastra. How are u going to monitor this new inclusion, a class which is defined to encourage sex for needs other than procreating.

Although the author opposes this inclusion, I disagree with the statement:
'Of course not many will maintain celibacy and will need to get married, so same sex marriage proposal will soon follow' 
because marriage is not for sex, but for procreating. Others can marry, but then they are not following 4 regs. 

Marriage or no marriage, celibacy is must, unless for procreation. This is all ideal. Of course not many can be ideal, but then why they want positions? Iskcon programs - morning program, festivals, public feasts, even chanting - is open to all. If someone is having social opposition, they have to address the problem without watering down the philosophy. 

Iskcon philosophy cannot be changed for individual issues. Everyone faces social issues or some kind of opposition; you cannot play with spiritual principles for social needs. Social correctness will give nothing. Spiritual correctness will bring all kinds of welfare - social, emotional, economical.

Basically the authorities need to be detached, that's all. Everything is clear. What's lacking is detachment and faith in the philosophy's teachings and instructions. Without proper authority nothing can be achieved. HDG wanted brahmanas to be the authority for society ...

Protest Kumar Raviraj Subhash Gattani • an hour ago

Sir, if you are celibate or a Baal brahmachari, not that everyone be a naistika brahmachari like you. Mr pure, this class is not defined by their sexual orientation. Yes according to the shastras sex life is only for procreation, we do respect that but plz check urself once whether you have followed it in ur life or not Mr pure -- then talk. Preaching is very easy but practising is very difficult. Purity is must we do agree but I am asking you have you used ur sexual power " only " for begetting children then you plz preaching here or else we too Know what happens in your life too.......we respect Prabhupad and his teachings .

Raviraj Subhash Gattani • 9 hours ago

The links given by G Kesava Das in his comments are all either Wikipedia articles or a book by a non-devotee. No bonafide reference in any of the links.

Sri Niketan • 9 hours ago

We need to support Pancaratna Prabhu on this. We need to now speak in a unified voice as he said. Best for ISKCON India to throw out the GBC and let the Bureau run India.

Its simple. Srila Prabhupada started ISKCON and made it to be run according to his books and teachings. His books and teachings condemn Homosex. Of course homosexuals are welcome to join in but not practice any of their 'activities'. If some ISKCON members want to integrate Gayism in ISKCON then that is illegal and they will have no way to manipulate Guru, sadhu and sastra or Srila Prabhupada's teachings to fit it in. So they either leave ISKCON or agree to be called deviants. If they agree to be called deviants then they should be thrown out of ISKCON as why should deviants run ISKCON?

Protest Kumar Sri Niketan • an hour ago

His books and teachings condemn sex life other than procreation .,......... They won't support the homosexual activity. As an uttama adhikari he loved everyone ....,....... If you have used ur sexual power only for begetting children then you plz talk because you are perfect ..........if not don't lecture here , because his teachings are against sex other than procreation where in you also fall under this category .

G Keshava Das • a day ago

While I am not a proponent of any form of homosexuality I would suggest that devotees educate themselves about the role that such minor sinful behaviour played in Indian society since time immemorial. Both hetero and homo sexuals sins are described in the sastras. But whereas in Mleccha sastras, like the Bible, homosexual sins are considered as cardinal or major sins, in the Vedic sastras they are considered as minor sins. The major sexual sins described in Vedic sastras are heterosexual because of the possibility of creation of varna sankara or unwanted progeny (see Gita 1.42).

Please read:

The Arthashastra, an ancient Indian treatise on statecraft, mentions a wide variety of sexual practices which, whether performed with a man or a woman, were sought to be punished with the lowest grade of punishment / fine. While homosexual intercourse was not sanctioned, it was treated as a very minor offence, and several kinds of heterosexual intercourse were punished more severely.

Sex between non-virgin women incurred a small fine, while homosexual intercourse between men could be made up for merely with a bath with one's clothes on, and a penance of "eating the five products of the cow and keeping a one-night fast" – the penance being a replacement of the traditional concept of homosexual intercourse resulting in a loss of caste.

For Further information about sexual life in Ancient India Vols 1 & 2 people can 

and: Vol 2:

Of course some attitudes changed with the coming of the Mughal and British conquests and rule and even recently we see the Supreme Court of India ruling to legalize homosexuality:

On 24 August 2017, India's Supreme Court gave the country's LGBT community the freedom to safely express their sexual orientation. Therefore, an individual's sexual orientation is protected under the country's Right to Privacy law. However, the Supreme Court did not directly overturn any laws criminalizing same-sex relationships.

On 6 September 2018, consensual gay sex was legalised by India's Supreme Court.

Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), dating back to 1861, makes sexual activities "against the order of nature" punishable by law and carries a life sentence.The law replaced the variety of punishments for Zina (unlawful intercourse) mandated in the Mughal empire's Fatawa-e-Alamgiri, these ranged from 50 lashes for a slave, 100 for a free infidel, to death by stoning for a Muslim. Similarly the Goa Inquisition once prosecuted the capital crime of sodomy in Portuguese India, but not lesbian acts.

There have also always been homosexuals in ISKCON, and during the time of Srila Prabhupada this was dealt with in a similar way as under the Clinton Administration's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays in the US military.
So just like in India, ISKCON today finds itself having to speak more openly about this subject. Espcially now that it is legal in many countries including India.

Hari Bhakti Vilasa 1.200 states that the Guru has to examine the potential disciple and understand their sexuality apart from other qualifications when deciding what mantra to initiate them into.

Raviraj Subhash Gattani G Keshava Das • 9 hours ago

The links given by G Kesava Das in his comments are all either Wikipedia articles or a book by non-devotee. No bonafide reference in any of the links.

Ludovico Sforza Raviraj Subhash Gattani • 6 hours ago

As may have noticed by now that GK is a Kali chela, posing as a devotee who wants to sew chaos in Vaisnavism. Everything he writes has to be double and tripled checked as he is a kutarki.

Protest Kumar Ludovico Sforza • an hour ago

How can you say he's kalicela ..... don't judge ..... after all it's a virtual platform how can judge people in a discussion ..., one can create chaos in vaishnavisam like you with ur judgmental nature ............ One should also check ur statements thousand times because subtle hate is there in ur comments..., can't generalise things. Purity is must to get out of this material matter one is homo , hetero or bi

[PADA: Basu Ghosh is actually arguing with his own shadow here. He all along said that the leaders of ISKCON are diksha GURUS, aka Krishna's successors. Now he is saying Krishna's successors are speaking bogus things. How is it that Krishna's successors are bogus and Basu Ghosh is bona fide? 

And this is all part of the whole giant dog and pony circus act of folks like: Gaura Govinda maharaja, Rocana, Bhakti Vikas swami, Torben, Kailash, Hanuman Croatia, Tripurari swami, Narayan Maharaja, the GBC, the SAC, the SABHA, the Bureau, and maybe hundreds of other folks, who are all advertising that they are now the senior advisors to the ISKCON GBC guru successors to GOD ALMIGHTY. 

Thus! They are all offering admonition, chastisement, correction, and general fix-it repair advice to the (alleged) messiah successors to God. Why would God's successors need this lot to give them advice and correction? So this proves that they all think God's successors are faulty, defective, conditioned beings who need to be: voted in, voted out, corrected, censured, advised, chastised, monitored for deviations, suspended, removed, excommunicated, and maybe have the cops called to stop them from criminal behaviors. That is how we treat God's successor gurus?

Wait a minute, how did all these little pipsqueaks self-advertised advisors telescope themselves to become the higher authority than GOD's guru successors? Or are we right to say, these gurus are bogus, and not actually God's successors, they are being falsely advertised as such? So now we have the problem of these false messiahs voting in more and more deviations, and nothing can be done because, no one is supposed to question the guru. 

Ooops, unless they are not really gurus? Why aren't they just saying hey, these guys are doing all these bogus things because PADA is right, they are not gurus, and we need to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the guru. Anyway, this is all a sign the cult melt down is getting hotter and hotter as the melting down gets worse and worse. ys pd]