Saturday, September 30, 2017

Appearance of Madhvacarya (Krishna.com)

Hrdayananda Says GBC Deviated with Gaudiya Matha Advisers

[PADA: You mean after the GBC promoted all sorts of Gaudiya Matha leaders, Hrdayananda was never in agreement? Why didn't he say all this previously? Now Hrdayananda says the 11 were never meant to be gurus, only Governing Body members and not more. 

Well goody, that is what we said all along! Yes, the GBC went to the Gaudiya Matha and followed their advice that the 11 are gurus, and this is bad advice. I really do not see Hrdayananda stepping down form his guru post however? 

The Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Kim Moller crew also say we should have consulted with the Gaudiya Matha? Wait a minute, didn't this create the illicit sex acharya fiasco in 1936 and later after 1977? Why has Hrdayananda held all this information in for such a long time? And when is the GBC going to become a GBC and not a guru factory? 

ys pd]

Hearing from gurus in other Institutions

HRIDAYANANDA DASA GOSWAMI·MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2017

Regarding your question about hearing from gurus in other institutions, I will explain. First, it would be very nice, and in a sense most natural, if all the Gaudiya Vaishnavas could associate together as an extended spiritual family. Certainly, there are sincere devotees in other institutions.

The problem, unfortunately, comes from a bad history. It began when Prabhupada was here, and some of his godbrothers actually plotted to take over ISKCON. Prabhupada discovered this plot, which involved several of his own dear disciples. Prabhupada was heartbroken, he expelled those disciples, temporarily, from ISKCON, and he strongly warned us to respect his godbrothers but to avoid them. You can find the details of this terrible episode in the Prabhupada Lilamrta.

But it did not stop there. For example, around 1976, the GBC went ‘across the river’ to Navadvipa to attend a program at the ashrama of Prabhupada’s godbrother, Sridhara Swami. When we returned, Prabhupada called us to his room and asked us about the program. Tamala Krishna Goswami recorded the program and Prabhupada asked him to play the tape. After listening for a few minutes to a Gaudiya Matha devotee speaking in Bengali, Prabhupada stopped the tape and said, “He is offending me. You should never go back there.”

At our first GBC meeting after Prabhupada’s departure, held around Gaura Purnima 1978, the GBC sent several members to speak with Sridhara Swami to ask for his blessings and advice about how we would go on in Prabhupada’s physical absence. Sridhara Swami basically gave the advice that destroyed the united Gaudiya Matha after Bhaktisiddhanta left — he advised us strongly that the gurus are above the GBC, and that each guru must have an exclusive guru-zone. 

This of course led to the failed zonal-acarya system, but fortunately we knew that the GBC must be the highest authority, as Prabhupada instructed us. I do not blame Sridhara Swami for any of these events, but the danger was there of receiving advice different from what Prabhupada taught.

Years later, Narayana Maharaja from the Gaudiya Matha attacked ISKCON for years, actively scheming to take devotees from ISKCON. I personally witnessed him doing this in various countries, and he personally spoke to me “instructions” that were different from what Lord Caitanya taught.

I am aware that no everyone is the same, and that there are sincere devotees in the Gaudiya Matha who do not attack ISKCON. In India, for example, by Prabhupada’s instruction, ISKCON has given many donations to the various Gaudiya Matha centers to help them rebuild their temples. Prabhupada himself actively tried to reunite the Gaudiya Matha. In fact, he engaged me as his secretary to invite his Godbrothers to come and speak with him about this. But ultimately, they chose to remain separate, and Prabhupada was disappointed.
        
In conclusion, there are historical reasons for ISKCON’s caution toward the Gaudiya Matha. I still hope that in the future, we can restore good relations and cooperation. It may be possible in the future. We do not want to be sectarian, but there are real historical dangers and so we must proceed with respect for all Vaishnavas, but also with caution.

With best wishes,
Hridayananda dasa Goswami

Namarasa Das As a second generation ISKCON devotee, I refuse to inherit the offenses of the first generation toward Srila Sridhar Maharaj and other elevated vaisnavas. This has to stop!

Ananda Maya Devi Dasi Hare Krishna Maharaja, very clearly and plainly put without making nasty comments as have been used in the past. I think more and more, offering respects with caution is a more honourable way to address the situation. 

Kavi J. Diaz In all spiritual groups/religions, there seem to always be leaders more interested in their own fame and followers (and getting credit or adulation), than in whether the universal knowledge gets passed on to others. I respect Prabhupada above all.

Marvin Sarria some might be offended by the plain and simple truth. I do not see any reason or know of any reason of Hridayananda Dasa Goswami making false statements as stated by Bhagavavat Maharaja or some other prabhus. Hridayananda Dasa Goswami maharaja does not gain anything by stating the simple truth but of course others had offended him already.

Malini Dee As a disciple from the lineage Bhaktisiddhanta-Sridhara-Govinda at Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, I feel hugely disappointed to read this, in print and online, at that. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta would say that the printing press is a mrdanga.

Amala Gaura Das This is the full conversation with Shridhar Maharaj: http://gosai.com/.../two-official-meetings-of-srila...

I blame the GBC / gurus more than Shridhar Maharaj. If it wasn't for Shridhar Maharaj the "gurus" would still have managed to elevate themselves to an improper position.

LalitKishore Dasa Lauren Sinclair Wow if you'd have said that to Srila Narayan Maharaj when he was here, then he would have corrected you nicely. What a first class fool you are acaryadeva. I really can't even be bothered arguing about this anymore, if some of you iskcon people that have been around for decades still don't know the true history, then good luck to you.

Melissa Maharani I appreciate this. Very well said. Always remember Krishna and never forget Srila Prabhupada! All glories to your service! 

Jack Eskildsen Interesting. I have been following the guru controversies of the Hare Krishnas for years. I enjoyed your commentary in the 11th and 12th cantos.

James Alm History is better that philosophy for making a point. Very well done dear God Brother

Citanya Gosai Das Thank you very much Srila Acharyadeva. Hare Krishna.

Sean Subhadra Pinnell Yes and very well put so there's no confusion or offences.

Chit Ananda Das You say the GBC is the authoryty inside ISKCON and i have one question whatt happened with Kirtanananda swami, Bhavananda swami and others? 

Jimmy Mello Clear and hit the nail right on the head as usually! Hare Krishna H. D. Goswami Acharyadeva 

Rhonda DeAraujo Thank you for explaining it to us. I really like seeing your posts here on facebook.

Malati Priya Than kyou, Maharaja, for clarifying this most controversial topic!


Hearing is the best method of controlling the mind ...

Friday, September 29, 2017

Rocana: Repair and managing of the acharyas (Update)


Acharyas are like breaking down cars that need repair, reform, rectification, censure etc?

[PADA: Recently the GBC "appointed" some of their own disciples as the "guru successors" to themselves. The qualification now is?

*** One is "in good standing." 
*** One takes an oath of allegiance to the GBC. 

Wait a minute, they have already produced so many rogue acharyas who do their own thing and they do not follow the GBC? How can acharyas be one minute as pure as God and the next "not in good standing"? If the qualification is that one has to follow the GBC, why are so many of their gurus (ok like Jayatirtha, Hansadutta, Hrdayananda, Romapada etc.) not following the GBC? 

*** Does Hrdayananda follow the GBC? 
*** Is Satvarupa's art approved by the GBC? 
*** Does the GBC endorse the various programs of car poojas, marriage hall productions and demigod pooja etc. going on in various ISKCON's? 

When Jayadvaita says the GBC guru sampradaya contains some people engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, why do so many folks tell PADA, this is NOT a GBC approved statement? Who is in charge of approving their statements?  

Bhakti Vikas swami says Radhanath's books are bogus, does the GBC endorse his books or not? And so on!

Sorry, allegiance to whom, or what?]  




Waiting at Rocana's emergency guru repair shop? 


BY: SUN EDITORS

Sep 23, 2017 — CANADA (SUN) —

Page thirty

RECTIFICATION PROCEDURES

[PADA: Right, Rocana was one of the 1986 leaders of the "50 man committee" of the "guru reform." He thinks acharyas are usually deviants who need to be: voted in, censured, suspended, rectified, reformed, controlled, monitored, managed, removed, fixed and repaired etc. So the acharyas are sort of like my former broken down old Volkswagen beetle, you'd need to take them to the "guru repair shop" on a regular basis since they are often failing, breaking down, maybe the engine explodes, and they are collapsing on the highway. 

The acharyas are like breaking down old Volkswagens? Really? 

The acharyas need rectification for deviations?

Where does Srila Prabhupada say that the acharyas are subject to the GBC's /  Gaudiya Matha's / Rocana's "rectification procedures"? This is the problem with the Hanuman (Croatia) / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krsna / Kim Moller / post-1977 GBC / Gaudiya Matha's acharya's process, they think acharyas are fallible conditioned souls who need fixing and repairing all the time. 

This is one of the ten offenses, to consider the acharyas are ordinary mundane men (who need correction and reform). We do not rectify the acharyas, the acharyas rectify us!

This has no basis on any shastra, ... "the acharyas shall be subject to rectification procedures." And the GBC / Hanuman / Torben / Ajit / Rocana are the persons who will correct and rectify God's successor gurus? Where did Srila Prabhupada say GBC / Rocana / Torben / Hanuman, or anyone else, would be in charge of rectifying the acharyas?]

We request that the GBC please adopt all of the resolutions we are now proposing. We further request that this be done during this spring festival. These rectification proposals should not be promised verbally only, but should be put into written form for distribution to all the devotees in our movement.

1) Each newly-appointed initiating guru must specifically state whether he is on the paramahamsa, full-realization platform or whether he is a madhyama-guru. (as authority for this, we cite that Srila Prabhupada even informed karmi media representatives as to what his topmost platform of realization was).

[PADA: Newly appointed gurus? Why is Rocana's party appointing gurus? Srila Prabhupada says the guru is empowered by God, and Rocana says no, the guru is empowered by Rocana's rubber stamp of approval? There was no appointment of gurus as Tamal Krishna says, this is a myth.

Why does Rocana say that gurus are "newly appointed," when Srila Prabhupada says gurus are not appointed? 

Who appointed Rocana's "newly appointed" gurus in the first place? 

Where is Rocana's guru voting and guru appointing process described by Srila Prabhupada? 

If the GBC members are defective, how can they "vote in" a pure person from within their group? 

Rocana's guru lineage already contains illicit sex with men, women and children, and the people voted into his lineage might be paramahamsas or madhyama? Why would a paramahamsa want to be voted into such a lineage? How can debauchees vote in parampara gurus?

Where does Srila Prabhupada say the GBC will be making "newly appointed" acharyas, when he said the Gaudiya Matha failed from this deviation?]

2) It should be stated that a number (the word minority should not be used) of Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples are dissatisfied with the current process of new guru worship and it's philosophy, feeling that there are deviations in it from sastric and sampradaya standards.

[PADA: Right, Rocana and his GBC: -- guru reform; guru fix-it shop; newly appointed guru process, guru censure, suspension, reform, monitoring, removal etc. is not found in ANY of Srila Prabhupada's writings.]

3) Pressure tactics of any sort used against initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada who wish to question any newly adopted procedures according to guru, sastra, and sadhu, must be condemned and forbidden by the GBC. Analysis should instead be encouraged, not discouraged.

[PADA: This is foolish, we should "appoint" and annoint "new gurus," which allows them to make sub-violent personality cults, this should be allowed. Then, we wonder why dissenters are being banned, beaten, and even assassinated?]

Page thirty-one

4) All of Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples who are not definitely known (suspicion is inadequate) to be breaking either the four rules and regulations or their vow of chanting 16 rounds, and who do not conduct themselves in any abominable manner while on temple grounds, must be given full facility to visit any of ISKCON's temples for attendance at any regular functions.

[PADA: Right, Rocana's gurus are famous for contrived and orchestrated banning, beating and even sometimes assassinating the devotees of Srila Prabhupada. In other words, Rocana's program only works by suppressing and oppressing the disciples of Srila Prabhupada.] 

5) Any concept that Srila Prabhupada is dwindling within ISKCON as the sampradaya acarya, and therefore the center, must be disowned, and action must be immediately taken to stop such offensive misconceptions.

[PADA: But Rocana is a leader of dis-empowering Srila Prabhupada by saying he is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem acharya, and we can no longer worship him, we have to worship Rocana's rubber stamped "newly appointed."] 

6) The process of public guru-puja in the temples must be written on paper, and it should be noted that guru-puja must always be wholeheartedly performed by Prabhupada's disciples for him at that time.

[PADA: Rocana already said that he wants people to place the photos of the new gurus on the altars to offer them the bhogha, where was this process authorized by Srila Prabhupada, a conditioned soul shall be offered bhogha?] 

7) It must be clearly stated that Srila Prabhupada is the sampradaya acarya for ISKCON eternally, and that no disciple should ever attempt to usurp his title of "Srila Prabhupada".

[PADA: Wrong. Rocana says that his newly appointed people are sampradaya acharyas. He has usurped the post of acharya and given it to conditioned souls.]

8) The temples which Srila Prabhupada left to ISKCON when he departed this planet should be considered to be Prabhupada's temples, meant for his primary worship, along with the Deity.

[PADA: Wrong, Rocana says the worship of Srila Prabhupada is the bogus church of ritvik and we still need to offer bhogha to the appointed gurus, which Rocana is going to be in charge of appointing?]

9) It should be clearly stated that an initiate of Srila Prabhupada does not necessarily require any instructions from any source other than Srila Prabhupada and the sastra in order to perform devotional service to his spiritual master and advance in Krsna consciousness. Cooperation in service with appointed Godbrothers is to be brought out not by any forceful means, but by encouraging voluntary desire to cooperate via the ISKCON appointed authorities in their example.

[PADA: Where were we told to appoint our God brothers as the next Jesus?]

10) Any initiated Vaisnava of Srila Prabhupada who is leading a saintly life in Krsna consciousness and is giving bonafide instructions should be understood to be a guru, and, as such, a representative of Prabhupada and Krsna.

[PADA: Wrong, Rocana says the ritviks are bogus, because we do not worship his illicit sex acharya lineage. He says we have to worship a lineage that contains people who are NOT FOLLOWING.]

11) Any vindictive insults hurled at any initiated disciples of Srila Prabhupada by authorities in a position to curtail or hamper the aforementioned disciple's devotional service should be immediately condemned by the GBC body and rectified. There can also be no unwarranted blacklists published and circulated within ISKCON.

[PADA: Rocana is often quoted by the GBC as their authority? They love his idea that the Prabhupada devotees need to be banned and declared as bogus.]

12) All studies of the Vedic sciences should never be discouraged but instead encouraged. This includes jyotisa upaveda (vedic astronomy and astrology), hasta and sariraka samudrika (palmistry), etc. A standard system of authorized and truthful research should be established and consulted in order to gain practical benefits from these great sciences. (It should be noted that there is a double-standard in last year's GBC resolutions which "do not condone" astrology, since virtually every GBC has at least one astrological consultant. This kind of duplicity must be abandoned. Also, it may be noted that nowhere in Srila Prabhupada's books will one find any statements against these Vedic sciences, but instead those infallible books contain many praises of these studies.

[PADA: Astrology is needed?]

13) A guru should never instruct an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada that the disciple must preach about this new guru in preference to Srila Prabhupada.

14) There should be no mandatory form of worship that an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada is obliged to pay to a new guru, save and except the respect required to all dandi gosvamis. All other respect must be voluntary only.

15) Srila Prabhupada's claim to fame should not be misconstrued to be the creation of the eleven rttvik acaryas. They are not the only servants and representatives of Srila Prabhupada.

16) The infallibility or absolute concept is not applicable to an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada when the new guru speaks.

17) It should be declared that no individual successor to or a group of successors to Srila Prabhupada was appointed by His Divine Grace.

18) The specific applications of the term "acarya" in relation to the new gurus are to be properly and authoritatively specified according to sastra.

19) His Grace Sridhar Swami Should be again consulted for further specific clarifications on all these new guru matters. Narayan Maharaj may also be consulted.

[PADA: OK, we need to consult the people who promoted the 11?] 

20) Preaching endeavors are mutually exclusive from the management authority, given to the GBC. There should be an air of cooperation, of course, but never one of interference.

21) A Vaisnava Rajya Sabha consisting of objective, impartial, sastric authority should be established. This sabha should have specific qualifications in it so that any initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada may become qualified to enter it. It should not be an exclusive, elitist organization, and it should not be who you know but what you know which entitles entrance into it's ranks. It should have a specific relationship of authority with other ISKCON authorities.

22) Prabhupada's maha-samadhi fund should immediately be filled with all required funds in order to start opulent and efficient construction on his samadhi promptly.

23) All illicit means of procuring money for the operation of the ISKCON movement must be curtailed completely and immediately.

[PADA: OK Rocana keeps saying we are going to have appointed gurus, and we are going to offer bhogha to their photos etc. which is what Srila Prabhupada says destroyed the Gaudiya Matha? ys pd]




Rocana, urgent! Send over your guru repair hospital wagon right away, one of your patients is in severe need of a fix-it process! 


PADA: angel108b@yahoo.com


Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Sunday, September 24, 2017

HH Danavir Goswami Health Update

[PADA: Danavir was one of those people who said we need to accept the 11 GBC's as liberated acharyas, and that they are parampara members / acharya links / diksha gurus i.e. those who can absorb sins like Jesus etc. Well jeepers, many of his alleged messiahs and diksha gurus fell down, and badly. 

And some of us would argue this is in part because Danavir told his guru pals to go ahead and accept the sins of many sisyas, and by taking these sins, these alleged gurus got sick, fell down, and a number died prematurely. All of this was the result of their disregard of the instruction from SRILA PRABHUPADA -- that we neophytes are not qualified to absorb the sins of others, and if we try artificially, we will suffer and fail. 

Did we forget to mention Danavir's gurus orchestrated a process where many of Srila Prabhupada's original disciples were banned, if not beaten, if not assassinated, and there was a huge molesting program in the schools managed by Danavir's messiahs? And this resulted in ISKCON being sued and bankrupted and so on?

Well now this process seems to have caught up to Danvair himself, he is in failing health and one devotee friend said we should "say good bye to him" because he won't be here much longer. Yep how did you guess, some ISKCON folks have been saying we need to pray for the health of these gurus like Danavir because they took too much karma. OK wait a minute, Danavir is taking sins like Jesus, and now we need to pray that he is relieved of the burden of making pretend he is another Jesus? 

Why would God save a person who thinks he is another Jesus, and he is usurping the post of the actual Jesus? 

Anyway, don't watch this too long or you will get a migraine brain freeze headache, just watch a few minutes and you'll get the idea, i.e. he is going the way of the other GBC gurus, they got sick, fell down, died prematurely, and lets not forget the madness that befell a number of them. Danavir's Vyas pooja is coming up soon, all glories to Danavir, the person who is just like Vyasadeva, the sum total of the demigods! He is a diksha guru who can absorb sins like Jesus! He is the shaksat hari tvena liberated paramahamsa walking on the face of the earth! 

OK, maybe not? Did we forget to mention that Srila Prabhupada says artificial acharyas are destined to go to the lowest regions of the universe? And they may escape the laws of the mundane authority, but they will never escape the laws of God? ys pd]       


Another India "Godman" Arrested on Rape Charge

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/alwar-godman-falahari-maharaj-arrested-on-rape-charges/article19742163.ece

[PADA: Bhagavad Gita says: "We should not be attached to the temporary world," yup, maybe some of these Godmen need to practice what they preach? In Kali Yuga bogus Godmen will pose as saints when they are exploiters and cheaters, and this afflicts overall human society in this age, and has certainly afflicted ISKCON with its post-1977 false acharyas too. ys pd] 

Mahamantra kirtan (music video)


True Story Parallels ISKCON's (Anuttama Devi)


The usurper's sabha

The names of the people involved have been changed, but this is a true story of a skeleton that is still lurking in my family's closet: A beautiful baby girl was born, but her parents, for a variety of reasons were unable to care for little Martha. So Susan, the Grandma, agreed to raise the child. 

As she grew, Martha was an engaging child: intelligent, charismatic and beautiful. Susan provided nutritious home cooked meals, private schools, music and dance lessons, nice clothes and lots of love. One day 8 year old Martha confided to her Grandma that Grandpa was molesting her. Susan dismissed the child's nonsense. Such things couldn't possibly happen, at least in her family. She told no one and did nothing to investigate the allegation. 

Years went by and Martha started to display behavioral problems and eventually told her father about Grandpa's behavior and her father took the allegations seriously. It turned out that yes, Grandpa was molesting little Martha.

Susan has had to live with herself, knowing that Martha's drug use and poor decisions as an adult were very possibly a result of her failing to protect her as a child. This has led to Susan having mental health issues and abusing alcohol. I have little doubt that if she had it to do over again, Susan would have certainly listened when Martha accused Grandpa and investigated whether it was true. 

Susan is a loving, giving and morally upstanding person. As such, she couldn't imagine that anyone, what to speak of her husband, would do such a terrible thing to a child. It was impossible, so she ignored it.

All of the followers of Srila Prabhupada are in a similar situation. There is the allegation that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. This allegation comes from Srila Prabhupada himself when he said, “somebody has said that someone has poisoned me. I think it is so.” The GBC gave the matter a cursory investigation in the early 1990s and the investigator, Balavanta Prabhu, concluded that more funds and a more thorough investigation was needed. 

Instead the GBC dropped the matter and it was taken up by a group of devotees who wanted to know the truth. This Truth Committee wrote a book titled “Somebody has Poisoned Me” that was a much more thorough investigation than conducted by the GBC. It explored the fact that there a large number audio tapes from Srila Prabhupada's last months mysteriously missing, gave the results of hair analysis that concluded elevated arsenic levels, contained statements from witnesses, listed Srila Prabhupada's symptoms (many/most not consistent with diabetes/kidney problems), gave expert analysis of forensically enhanced audio tapes, listed the parade of doctors and kavirajas who treated Srila Prabhupada (but were dismissed as soon as he took their treatment and his symptoms worsened) and much more. 

The GBC responded with a booklet, “Not That I am Poisoned”, which relieved many devotees who were distressed by the allegations and the title of the Truth Committee's book. Just reading the title of the GBC book was enough to douse their worries. The GBC did promise to renew an investigation if new evidence came to light.

Now there is new, irrefutable evidence. High tech atomic analysis of 3 hair samples from the months just prior to Srila Prabhupada's departure, including one sample that had been abandoned in a laboratory by the GBC, all showed rocket high levels of the sinister poison, cadmium. Srila Prabhupada said that he thought he was poisoned, and it has been scientifically proven to be true. 

The GBC seem to have come to a consensus that if they just ignore the devotees who are demanding that an investigation be conducted to try to identify the poisoners, that the subject will die away, and it's business as usual.
If you are reading this, you have a choice to make. The easy choice is to forget you ever read this or heard anything so ugly as the accusation that Srila Prabhupada was murdered. 

After all, we all know that the pure devotee is always protected by Krsna and that Prabhupada was surrounded by loving disciples that could never allow such a thing to occur. The easy choice has a very high price tag, however. Like Susan, who forgot the allegation of an 8 year old child under her care because in her world, such a thing is not possible, the price could very well end up being your sanity, or even worse, your spiritual life. 

Please read the Truth Committee's new book, “Kill Guru, Become Guru”, because it is impossible to make spiritual advancement in the absence of truth. The evidence in it is irrefutable, as is evidenced by the GBC's refusal to refute it.

JP: Annuttama Prabhu. Yes, you have centered on a complex web of fact, emotion, societal dynamics, etc and coming to a conclusive pivotal point is excruciating... My question is how and what venue could / would be taken? 
Strictly 'legal' within the framework of our present 'material' environment? 
It appears that as ineffectual and contaminated as it is, the ISKCON law code seems unable to mete proper retribution... This is ghastly on every platform

PADA: Yes, first of all they got rid of Srila Prabhupada, then they kicked us out for protesting their illicit sex acharyas. Then they orchestrated attacking the gurukulis with all forms of criminal abuse. Then they went to Sridhara Maharaja and Narayana Maharajas (and others) to get some "advisers," aka to get "street creds" from these rubber stamping cheer leaders of their molester messiah's project. 

And these "advisers" said we should go along with the molester / poisoner's sabha and have them worshiped as our acharyas. Then the false gurus started to have us dissenters beaten and murdered, to get rid of us protesters. 

Then -- voila, we were given the poison tapes in 1997. Splains it all don't it! 

This is the evil root from whence the rest of the evil tree sprouted. Its amazing that even by 1997 Narayana Maharaja was still trying to get me killed by saying I am a demon for saying Srila Prabhupada complained of poison, they demonized us, to get us killed, because we exposed them. And we eventually exposed that they also killed our father and now they wanted to cover it up by getting rid of us, his children. 

This story may end up -- one way or other -- here on this planet, BUT none of these people will escape Yamaraja and his planet. However, we feel this issue will gradually be accepted right here on earth as the factual version of events, that a pure devotee was assassinated by some motivated fools alleged followers. 

Ummm, not unlike the story of Judas betraying Jesus to get a few shekels? 

Which is why Srila Prabhupada said, just as they killed Jesus, they may kill me also. He was right. History will take them down if nothing else does, as the saying goes, the worst judge and jury is -- history. ys pd

Tuesday, September 19, 2017

Mexico Earthquake Report (Hari Gana Dasa)

VERY IMPORTANT

UP DATE IN REGARD TO 7.1 EARTHQUAKE THAT HIT MEXICO TODAY

The earthquake hit Puebla, a beautifully colonial style city, two and half miles from Mexico City. And it hit Mexico City really bad. They felt it that far. He said so far at least 200 people have died, children are trapped, and there are still more people inside destroyed buildings.

Hari Gana Dasa Prabhu said that, he and his friend Ramananda Raya Dasa, went chanting japa where many of the buildings were destroyed. He said they could hear people yelling and screaming for help. Hari Gana Prabhu said the people need water. They need food. There's no electricity in some of the areas. The damage is quite bad. 29 buildings completely destroyed!

Their famous hospitals have all the sick people out on the street.

Doctors don’t know what to do as some of the ill people were in intensive care, and now they are just in the middle of the street. He wasn't sure the word. But he said the United Nations sent a message because the underground could collapse, and if so it could also affect State of California. And could hurt Mexico City as well. If it happens, all of this should be within the next 48 hours. So they are on alert.

He said electricity power in his house is back. He put his Shaligrama Silas back to sleep and he's sleeping next to Them. If something happens, he’ll run out of the house with his Shaligarama Shilas only. He's very worried that his Shaligrama Silas stay safe. Pray for Them.

He said right before the Earthquake struck, just a few seconds before, he had jumped into the shower to shower. And Lol! Lol! Not funny, but he started to feel dizzy, and he thought to himself how dizzy he was feeling. But then suddenly he realized that he wasn't dizzy, it was an Earthquake!

Hari Gana Dasa Prabhu said that some of his photos of Srila Prabhupada fell from the walls and were broken.

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So far ISKCON Radha Madan Mohana are all okay in Mexico City. It’s okay but tonight it’s a very important night, United Nations are saying in the next 48 hours there coud be another huge earthquake! So please keep all the devotees in Mexico in your prayers. Please pray for them. Hare Krsna.

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SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS POISONED: WHAT NOW? (Nityananda das)

[PADA: Right, some folks are now trying to discredit the poison issue by saying this issue has no traction because it was forwarded by "the ritviks," so that means -- its not valid. Well maybe, but aren't these some of the same people who said: The bogus guru appointment issue; Gurukuli imbroglio issue; New Vrndavana et al. crimes issue; Book changes issue; Asset and property theft issue; Mad Acharya Disease issue; Hidden documents and appointment tape issue; Criminality issue -- ad infinitum -- are "not credible" because these issues are being forwarded by us folks? 

How is that working out for you guys? 

Seems to us that these issues are gaining significant traction more and more every day? Yep, blame the messenger, this does not always work very well. OK you guys slowed us down to some extent, but not actually halted our progress. Yes, all of these issues are being accepted more and more, and will be the "final accepted version of history" eventually. 

We also do not care if this issue is officially established in the legal courts of law or not, yes -- most of these issues were never established in legal courts, but the issues are being accepted and established in the courts of public and devotee opinion, and that is where we wanted all this to be solidified anyway. ys pd]          

SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS POISONED: WHAT NOW?

We have compiled some interesting comments and questions from (and answers to) those who watched the films from the Truth Committee regarding the evidence and logical conclusions about Srila Prabhupada having been poisoned with cadmium at levels about 250 times above the normal average person. The response has been generally very positive and that the evidence has largely spoken for itself, and that the scientific proof from hair tests and audio forensics is conclusively convincing. 

Of course, there are those who have blocked minds or strong emotional hostility, and they invariably have not even understood what the evidence is, and they appear to have no desire to look at it openly. However, judging from the aftermath and responses, it seems the facts and evidence that Srila Prabhupada was indeed poisoned is profoundly changing the way devotees look upon many things, and especially as to what has happened since Srila Prabhupada physically departed forty years ago. 

The truth will do whatever it will do. No one has created an agenda to push from manufactured or contrived allegations. The evidence speaks for itself. We should always remember that Srila Prabhupada himself stated three times that he also thought he had been poisoned. And now modern science has confirmed that his statements are accurate and prophetic. What else would we expect from Srila Prabhupada? To say something we should not take seriously, as Tamal suggested?

(1). Gopalacharya das: “So I have watched it. Now, my question is, what is the next step? Will there be some case files against those who are alleged to be the murderers? If there is no follow up by legally charging those people the movie will remain just a conspiratorial documentary that many will disbelieve. Please let me known if there is going to be any legal action taken against those who conspired.”

OUR REPLY: Well, please don't think our committee has all the solutions or such great power to do wonders. But we are able to disseminate the facts and logical conclusions after compiling the evidence, which is compelling. So compelling that I would think anyone who can understand it, or who will look at it closely, can appreciate that this is not a conspiracy of an unfounded idea. 

The scientific proof is there, with so much circumstantial evidence as well. But getting a legal threshold established is a tough challenge, although it is in progress now. Meanwhile the effects on the movement from the collective acceptance and realization that senior disciples poisoned Srila Prabhupada, unauthorisedly took his place, and for 40 years injected all sorts of now dubious doctrines into the institution, will eventually change the landscape in dramatic ways now unforeseen. Let the truth do what it will.

(2). Mataji: “I had been trying to think of a way to objectively present this horrific crime to the public because the truth will bring justice. This third video, The Crime of the Millennium, is perfect. I am mailing the attached letter to The Washington Post and The New York Times. As for the LA Times, I was able to submit the letter online. The other entities required filling out a form online which I did today. Thank you for allowing me to help a little. We are going to get this in the mainstream news!”

OUR REPLY: Very nice. We much appreciate your assistance in this matter. You might send your letter to any number of local news outlets, newspapers, talk shows, etc. TV, radio, newspapers and magazines. If somehow you can get it onto UPI, AP, or one of the wire services, the story is picked up worldwide and is then available everywhere as an interesting story. If it's published (syndicated) even by a small newspaper in El Paso, then hundreds of papers around the world will choose that story to fill in their news of some particular day. 

Send it to as many as you can, not just one. Once published, then you have story credibility and others will become more interested. Like Oprah Winfrey: she does big stories on people after she discovers them in the news. What difference will it make? We are convinced that the wider the truth is known, the more that Srila Prabhupada’s mission will become rectified.

(3). A. Murty: “Hare Krishna. I don't think you are making a point; it's better we chant the Maha Mantra and be happy.”

ANONYMOUS REPLY: Ignoring this crime? Ignorance is bliss until the Yamadutas take those who choose to ignore and tolerate the crime of the millennium. You can go on chanting decade after decade but it will be offensive chanting and will not produce any Krishna Prema, if God's "best friend" is poisoned and you ignore it. Why would you insult Krishna with this chant and be happy talk? You only care for your own happiness?? That is called sense-gratification. 

And if you are giving instructions with your ignorant comment than you are no better than the criminals that try to silence us by telling us to shut up and just chant. We can't be happy until all these criminals get kicked out of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON and we must do our part each of us to make sure this happens. We owe this to Srila Prabupada. Without him we wouldn't even have the Maha-mantra.

(4). In response to Anuttama dasi’ article “Where’s The Outrage?”- Pratyatosh das wrote:

“The ISKCON GBC were criminally negligent by covering up the sexual molesting / raping of hundreds of helpless children who were put in their care by well-meaning parents. They even went so far as to keep this information secret from gurukula headmasters such as myself! Now they are being criminally negligent once again by covering up the proven poisoning of Srila Prabhupada! 

Why are they completely silent about this new proof? 

Why are they not verifying this new proof by testing Srila Prabhupada's hair samples for themselves, this time for cadmium? They belonged in jail for their child abuse cover-up. Now they again belong in jail for their cover-up of the cruel murder of Srila Prabhupada! Don't they even have a heart?”

OUR COMMENTS: We have no more hope that the ISKCON misleaders will do the right thing, nor guide the ISKCON institution anywhere but the deserts of deviation. They must be removed and the institution should be managed by interim caretakers while the devotees research, study, discuss, and debate what should be done by going back to Square One, as though it were the day after Srila Prabhupada departed. 

We must reject everything that has happened since then as the stained works of those who poisoned His Divine grace’s body and mission with doctrines meant to serve their own nefarious ambitions. How can poisoners be accepted as leaders or policy-makers?

(5). An excerpt from Where’s The Outrage? By Anuttama dasi in August 2017:

“The attitude that the murder of Srila Prabhupada is an unfortunate historical fact that has no bearing on the present situation is not only inaccurate, but it is also a symptom of a crime that is even greater than the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's physical body; the greater crime is the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada's institution, ISKCON. What better way to destroy the most important institution in the world than to gradually add just enough poison that it is almost undetectable, just as they did to Srila Prabhupada's physical body? 

“Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.” --BG16-9. Nityananda das' book, Kill Guru, Become Guru gives a detailed timeline of our spiritual master's last months before his passing, including naming the people who had constant access to him. 

Because the poisoning was done over a period of many months, the poisoning had to have been done by someone in the inner circle. Those “inner circle” people are the same people who lied when they told us that Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as pure devotee acaryas. They are the same people whose philosophy and policies have poisoned our spiritual master's institution. Srila Prabhupada warned us that there are demons in the dress of Vaishnavas that we need to avoid.”

(6). “Srila Prabhupada is just like the savior of the world. His greatness cannot be stressed enough. These rakshasas... killing him slowly, softly, silently... are so sneaky. Deceiving and killing is done by snake-people who falsely project whatever seems expected to infiltrate, like HIV does. The lineages within ISKCON connected to the Cadmium Club need now to denounce and disavow the criminals to not be taken as part of the crime cover-up. 

Prabhupada was stolen away, and so was his ISKCON. When we pray together to Mahaprabhu that the dark curse be lifted and ISKCON again become a place of trust and devotion, He may find a way to fulfill His devotees desires. As bhaktas we know that it is up to Krishna to let the real followers of Srila Prabhupada restore order in the House of Prabhupada. 

If we don't go thru with this clean-up, the secret of the poison that killed Srila Prabhupada will become ISKCON's mortal cancer. Our love and admiration for The Global Archarya drives the movement to make ISKCON trusted again. Let the winds of Truth sweep ISKCON clean.” (Ram das)

(7). “What do you tell someone who says that they are not interested in poison issue since it happened 40 years ago (even if true) and that it just creates a disturbance to their devotional service? How to explain to them that they are in maya by remaining in blissful ignorance? Why are so many "devotees "disturbed by this but not by the lies of GBC? 

Varnasrama means truthfulness of the brahmins and justice by ksatriyas, doesn't it? Not audacious vaisya gurus, sudra GBC and caste Prabhupada disciples and slave like rank and file all rejecting the truth. They always clamor Vaishnava aparadha as a threat but what about aparadha to Srila Prabhupada?” (Mahatma das, Europe)

(8). “Thank you a million times for speaking out and showing all the proof of Srila Prabhupada,'s poisoning by the large dose of cadmium. Thank you for your courage in making the video " KIll Guru, Become Guru", I pray you keep safe from the guilty ones. The leaders of is gone seem to be trying to ignore everything. Is there to be criminal prosecution of those involved? Your servant, Labangalatika dd”

REPLY: Thank you, prabhu. Maybe there will be a criminal investigation. We are trying. But main thing is that all devotees should come to understand the fact that those who poisoned Srila Prabhupada to take his place as gurus are still running ISKCON today... That alone will eventually have major effects.

(9). From the heart of Texas, in Dallas:

“Now the history book is partially released and I am nearly finished with first part...the details and depth are amazing. How can you find so much information? The effects are not known now but Lord Krishna surely has a plan for Srila Prabhupada to speak and purify ISKCON. Here in Dallas the ISKCON devotees have a radio station at AM 700 full time bhakti radio .Recently I heard the Dallas temple president state that the problem with thousands of pages of your writing is that it will harm ISKCON.

He is not saying that anything is not true. He is stating that you are trying to destroy the Hare Krishna movement. He simply wants to keep his retirement account. Maybe many will believe this now? The report on ISKCON history is having some effect or he would not mention this on public radio. Possibly if we can have some syndicated TV CBS, NBC do a non-fiction mystery show on Srila Prabhupada's departing, then more devotees and the public will be interested. Now the evidence is perfectly presented and Krishna has some plan. I will try to find some investigative reporters who can push forward what you have documented.”

REPLY: Yes, there are at least five other devotees also working on this. Good plan.

(10). From Rasamanjari dasi, Fiji: “Srila Prabhupada says: "That is my only request. That at the last stage, don't torture me and put to death. " He felt the need to say such a thing to address what he realized was the actual situation. Srila Prabhupada never spoke without purpose.”

(11). From RedRockRishis: “It is possible. After all, it is Kali-yuga. Now, there is so much chaos going on in ISKCON, at different levels. Even the present GBC chairman recently shared the same concern, of many "fires" going on in the institution. I have personal experience also, of persons, devotees, members of the North American GBC, using deceit, corruption, and outright lying, to achieve their personal agenda. 

I am shocked by this kind of corrupt infiltration, seeping into Srila Prabhupada's glorious Movement. When it comes down to it, proof is proof. Where is the "proof" that Srila Prabhupada was NOT poisoned? I for one, am completely open to see it. As they say, seeing is believing.”

(12). “You have really proved the case beyond question I think. At least for any reasonable devotee and that's really all that matters. GREAT JOB. We all owe the Truth Committee. We all owe you so much that it is not possible for us to repay you any way except with our sincere thank you. ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!”

(13). “Srila Prabhupada’s final pastime very closely reminds me with that of Jesus Christ, as I was born Christian. Like Jesus on the cross Srila Prabhupada’s body was “nailed” to his bed and suffered numerous days of horrible torture. Jesus was described as extremely weak and dehydrated. Ultimately, Jesus died as a result of suffocation. No one can even imagine the intensity of such suffering. But, Jesus’ greatness is not that because he suffered he become so great. What is described by historians is that even with all the pain, Jesus thought of others rather than himself. 

This was the true greatness of the person Jesus Christ. His first words from the cross were, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” He thought of His mother, who stood by the cross weeping, and asked his beloved disciple John to take care of her. This is an example of a perfect leader.

“Srila Prabhupada, like Jesus Christ, also exemplified how to properly discharge one’s duty. Srila Prabhupada was above the modes of material nature. We are all born under the modes of nature, and by religious practice, following in the footsteps of great teachers like Jesus Christ and Srila Prabhupada, our goal is to purify our existence from the contamination of the material modes, and come to the spiritual platform. The death will be the final test, the final exam, and it will determine our next life. 

“By association with a pure devotee we may also become pure. But personally I do not recommend taking association with any of the so called leaders or gurus inside or outside of present ISKCON, because they are all conditioned souls. I am also a conditioned soul, so much sinful, but I do not want to contaminate myself even further by taking association with those who are trying to cover the clear light of Srila Prabhupada with their imperfections and impersonal vision. I personally condemn anyone who is preaching that Jesus or Prabhupada are dead and that we must accept a living conditioned soul as our spiritual master who is the only one capable to show us the path of liberation or love of God or Krsna. 

"Now some ISKCON “devotees” are even promoting that if their guru is not able to save them in this lifetime he will do it in one of their future lives, when the guru becomes perfect. It is all bogus philosophy and blasphemy against Jesus Christ or Srila Prabhupada’s clear teachings.

“I do not know what can be done in the present ISKCON. I have so much contamination of my own self. I am reading Bhagavad-gita As It Is, by Srila Prabhupada, and I hope by this association with a pure devotee my heart will somehow get little purified so I may get a glimpse of the spiritual vision of Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada. I can see here that there are still the disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada who are sincere and very active -- not silent. They want to serve Srila Prabhupada and help him to spread his mission. 

"This I really appreciate, that nothing is completely lost and there is still hope for all of us. Only by the mercy of association with Srila Prabhupada and his sincere disciples and followers the whole world will get purified, of this I am so much convinced.”

(14). It is being seen that even those within ISKCON are accepting the poisoning as a fact, yet, amazingly, they now have some idea that this truth is a great threat, as conveyed in these messages:

“I live two blocks from Dallas temple… devotees here are stating openly that if this truth about Srila Prabhupada becomes known widely it will destroy Hare Krsna movement. I have the opposite opinion, so let us see how I can help.” (Anonymous)

“ISKCON has already been destroyed. The truth will help devotees see just how strong the material illusion really is and should revitalize the mission.” (Anuttama dasi, Sept. 6, 2017)

(15). From an ISKCON devotee via an intermediary:

“If he really wanted to get the GBC, assuming he had a case, he could just go to the relevant police authorities and they would jail the culprits if they were found guilty. Instead he is just blowing hot air. He has no case that is why he doesn’t bring it to the police. He doesn’t need GBC permission to bring it to the police. What he does need is a solid case that is up to standards of evidence in criminal law. 

"If he doesn’t have faith that his evidence is good enough for a police investigation then I have no interest in hearing his nonsense anymore. He is not interested in bringing wrong doers to justice he is just interested in attacking his enemies by any means possible. I will believe he is serious about justice when he brings it to the law, until then he is just another liar with an agenda.”

OUR COMMENTS: “Why is "take it to the police" a valid response? Is that what the GBC told the abused children? When the zonal acharya appointment lie was exposed? Why did the GBC investigate the “poison issue” in 1999? Of course, now there is dramatic new evidence that proves the poisoning. 

Does the GBC really want the mundane law authorities to meddle in ISKCON's business? They are just using this line because they know that they have a problem, and bluffing in hopes that a 40 year old case of poisoning cannot be legally prosecuted. But it will be, I am told. 

The other problem for the deniers is that the truth sticks with intelligent, honest persons, and so many devotees are appreciating the truth of this matter, and the credibility of and support for the ISKCON leadership continues to dwindle until one day soon there will be a revolution. They should consider their support base. 

Our job is to bring the unvarnished facts and figures directly to the devotees. The leadership is totally corrupt, unaccountable, unanswerable, defunct, and useless. No one is hoping for any good action from the GBC. They have already covered it all up, denied all the evidence, and are not honest, and could care less about the truth. There is no hope in them doing anything honest. 

They hate us because we speak the truth. How could we manufacture all this evidence of Srila Prabhupada's poisoning, which has its own merits? Until they look carefully at the evidence, the 1977 conversations, listen to the 1977 tapes in question, read the books on the subject, they have no idea what they're talking about. Of course, they are not interested in doing this, so they remain ignorant of the facts, although it appears many do not want the facts at all.
Aside from the legal aspect of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, there are many other issues that arise that no mundane court is capable of addressing. 

If poisoners removed Srila Prabhupada to more quickly hijack the movement as the new controllers of the institution, then it only makes sense that all actions, policies, doctrines, and internal legislation that transpired during their illegal regime is to be highly suspected as poisonous as well. 

We would be well advised, even if we do not prove to the standards of mundane courts who committed the poisoning, that the mission has been poisoned with the works of demon poisoners. Would this not be a valid concern? That everything since 1977 was effected by Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners who took over as zonal acharyas and the next gurus who could not be questioned?

Monday, September 18, 2017

Another Example of the Mad Acharya Disease.



PADA: Srila Prabhupada says when a neophyte person becomes guru artificially he will absorb sins, and this can cause him to get sick, fall down, or both -- from absorbing said sins. Many of these GBC guru folks fell down badly, and a number are now very ill, and a number have died prematurely. OK, its clear that absorbing sins is causing these neophytes to degrade and deteriorate. In fact, the Nectar of Instruction says that when a neophyte imitates the acharya, he will eventually become degraded. 

He will degrade, its certain. 

There is another more subtle factor involved here, this imitation can cause buddhi nasa, lost intelligence or even madness. A devotee was arguing with me about why so many apparent mad and foolish things are going on with the GBC's leadership. And this is certainly one explanation, they are losing their sanity by their offenses. This devotee did not have a really good counter point when we suggested this is a probable cause of their foolishness.

Of course our friends like Hanuman Croatia say, we ritviks should also take the post of diksha guru prematurely, so all of us can ALSO get sick, fall down, go mad, and die prematurely like the rest of this lot seems to be doing? Thanks but nein danke! 

Yep, more and more devotees agree with PADA, the living gurus program folks are gradually going off a cliff. So this should serve as a warning to all of us, do not attempt to imitate the acharyas, its not going to produce a good result for the individual or the society. Srila Prabhupada also told us not to stay overnight in the place where the rasa dance takes place, or we will go mad from that offense. Overall, madness can be seen as one symptom of people who are making offenses. The guru brother of Mahavishnu is now blessing dogs, yep these signs of going off the deep end are getting worse and not better. ys pd    











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Sunday, September 17, 2017

Hanuman (Croatia) Let's Remove The Guru Parampara List?


Hanuman das (Croatia)

Bhagavad Gita's guru list: no longer needed?

[PADA: Let's start with this first of all, here is what really happened historically: Most of these people like Rocana / Ajit Krishna / Torben / Hanuman et al. were formerly big promoters of the GBC's and their bogus living guru's idea. Then along came us (the ritviks) and we smashed and spoiled their bogus "living guru's" party by getting their program busted by: The FBI, Federal Marshals, Various police agencies, Federal Courts, Dallas courts, and had their gurus exposed in the mass public media etc. 

Actually, we are still working with some news media folks on some of these issues right now as we speak. 

Then we had their gurus sued for $400,000,000; Then we sued their gurus for changing the books; Then we said, ok your gurus apparently poisoned Srila Prabhupada. And now -- they just cannot admit defeat? They are still promoting their living guru idea, but self-evidently very upset we took their program to task?   

Anyway! Lets get straight to Hanuman's brand new complaint against Srila Prabhupada: the Bhagavad Gita guru's list must be removed! 

Hanuman das says (see below): Guru list should be abolished.

Srila Prabhupada gives us the "guru list" of the predecessor gurus in his parampara, either in the introduction to his Bhagavad or in other places. Hanuman das (Croatia) now says we no longer need this list, we can toss out the Bhagavad Gita guru (lineage) list because Hanuman says -- "no more guru lists." So we no longer need to follow the "list of acharyas," given by the acharya himself? Hanuman mysteriously knows that the list is -- no longer valid or needed? We are going to have a religion which does not list its saints, acharyas and gurus? Really?

How can we identify who is a bona fide guru, what is the actual parampara etc, -- if there is no "guru list" of participants for us to reference? Our other living guru pal Torben says basically the same thing, he does not want to "single out" who is bad (like Indradyumna), or who is bona fide in his guru line. OK so how can anyone else tell what his line is, or is not? We are going to preach to the public, we have no list of our chain of gurus and thus no system of authority from Krishna?  

Since their bogus previous "guru list" was full of so many defects, now we should have no list at all? We should NOW tell new people to throw away the list of gurus -- even though its given by the acharya. And the new people -- or anyone else -- can invent their own concocted list? How can anyone know who is a bona fide representative of the religion, and who is not, if there is no "list of members" of the bona fide chain? 

That would mean anyone and everyone can claim to be members of the chain, because now there will be no system of keep the list in order? Is this not the problem we have already with the GBC, they do not pay attention to who is and who is not in their guru list? Krishna Himself lists some of the people He spoke to previous to Arjuna, Krishna does not need to bother to list "who is who" either? The Vedas are full of examples of people following various guru lines, and taking great care to identify the members of their line. This is no longer required? The list of gurus is no longer bona fide? Why?   

Then there will be anarchy if there is no guru list, because for starters anyone who wants to claim they are on the list can do so with no checks and balances. Where does Srila Prabhupada say, we should allow anyone and everyone to claim they are members of the parampara, and moreover we must get rid of his existing guru list? 

In short: Where does Srila Prabhupada say we can remove his guru list? Where is the authority to do this? Where in fact does any acharya say we no longer need to adhere to their Gaudiya Vaishnava guru list? 

Rocana says basically the same thing, we cannot restrict anyone who wants to be guru. So there will be an open ended free for all, anyone who wants to declare they are acharyas can just say they are, and de facto add their name to the list (like a number of GBC gurus has done)? Sorry, this makes no sense, we need to follow Srila Prabhupada, and the first thing we need to do is, remove his guru list from everywhere? 

Where does he say this should be done? 

And if its a "free for all" of anarchy, i.e. there is no system to identify who is a bona fide representative or not, why is this much different from what the GBC does already? Amazing, the first thing we need to do to follow Srila Prabhupada is -- get rid of his parampara list?  

And worse, this allows anyone to claim to be on the list, its open ended for any Tom, Dick, Harry, and / or messiah wanna-be coming down the pike to add their own names willy nilly? OK that is basically what the GBC has done already, they added people willy nilly to their list of gurus? We do not know by now, this is a failure, we no longer need to list only bona fide persons, we can allow neophytes and others to be gurus -- who might be bogus? If anything, we should have learned by now to protect the list from dubious out croppings.]  

Introduction

In this video, I will prove beyond reasonable doubt that rtviks are trying to kill Prabhupada if 4 major ways:


First is that they are trying to portrait Prabhupada as mundane crazy person.
Second is that rtviks are presenting Prabhupada as a deviant from the vaisnava siddhanta.

Third way the rtviks are killing Prabhupada is that they are claiming that he is not a guru. And fourth way they are trying to kill him is to portrait him as an ordinary person who is not empowered by Krishna.

In order to be rtvik, you have to insult Prabhupada is those 4 ways. Continue watching this video to see the explanation. Rtvik theory consequnce: 1. Prabhupada is crazy

You are probably wandering how rtvik philosophy makes Prabhupada look as a crazy, mundane person. Let’s give a definition first: Mundane, crazy person is someone who changes his views all the time. Prabhupada preached correct parampara philosophy which is recorded in his books, letters, lectures and conversations. What is a correct parampara philosophy?

Mohsin Hassan: Yeah, the tenth. After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over? Prabhupāda: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. 
Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. 

Mohsin Hassan: How many swamis do you initiated, American? I’m speaking just on… Prabhupāda: About ten. Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what’s the lower… Prabhupāda: Now, they’re competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the gṛhasthas, they are called dāsa adhikārī, and brahmacārīs, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread. (Room Conversation – July 18, 1971, Detroit)

[PADA: OK, and this is the whole problem, Hanuman cannot name even one person whom he thinks is competent to make his own disciples? Nor does he explain how we neophytes can absorb sins like Jesus and be diksha gurus, when Srila Prabhupada says we neophytes who act as diksha gurus will be overwhelmed by taking sins? 


And the GBC's gurus are famous for falling down, which even their followers sometimes say is -- from taking sins. We need to add more people to "the list" of fallen guru wanna-bes, and tell neophytes to take sins and imitate Jesus? Why does Hanuman think any neophyte can take the post of another Jesus, and absorb sins? 

Worse, we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, we need to worship someone else, but -- no one else is named? So its better to worship no one than to worship Srila Prabhupada? Or worse, we should encourage neophytes to act as diksha gurus, so they will absorb sins, make pretend they are another Jesus, and then they often get sick, fall down and die prematurely from taking sins -- after Srila Prabhupada told us many times we neophytes are not authorized to absorb sins? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that we neophytes can be diksha gurus and absorb sins, and why does Hanuman never present this evidence? OK there is none ... the evidence is just the opposite, neophytes will get HIGHLY contaminated by taking sins and FAIL, and they ARE already failing left, right and center.]

This conclusion is proper according to the history of our sampradaya and all the teachings of previous acaryas. But rtviks claim that Prabhupada changed his mind, and in the last months of his presence on earth, make himself the only guru even after he leaves this world. Question is, why Prabhupada preached correct parampara philosophy and then suddenly changed his mind, you could have preached this nonsense from the very begining. But he didn’t.


[PADA: In 1977 he changed his mind, he said suspend sannyasa. Of course he could change anything he wanted to, especially if the previous system was causing problems? So the people he said are not fit for sannyasa in 1977, are fit to be parampara gurus in 1978?]

So, rtviks portrait Prabhupada as somebody who is changing is mind after preaching the opposite thing during the whole ISKCON history.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never named anyone as a successor? He also said among my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya, so do not make false acharyas like my 1936 God brothers did. We cannot simply rubber stamp people as gurus, its not the system. He never implemented a successor guru system for his disciples?] 


But Prabhupada was not crazy, and Prabhupada was not changing his opinions constantly like mundane persons.

Rtvik theory consequence: 

2. Prabhupada is deviant from the vaisnava siddhantha

[PADA: And that is the siddhanta, only a pure devotee can be the acharya, this is stated many times by Srila Prabhupada. Therefore no one can add their name to the list of acharyas without authority from Krishna.]

Prabhupada always followed sastra and his own guru, Bhakti siddhantha Sasvati.

[PADA: And Srila Bhaktisiddhanta also said the same thing, make a Governing Body and not false diksha gurus.]

And he followed them perfectly. He never deviated from the instructions of previous acaryas. And therefore Prabhupada is so glorious, because he upheld proper conclusions and proper transcendental knowledge. Many people suggested to Prabhupada that he should relax 4th regulative principle a little bit, but he didn’t.

[PADA: So we should relax the standards for acharyas now, to include neophytes? We have not seen yet that this does not work? Or promote an acharya who does not have any existence or name? Or what?]

But, if you are rtvik, you have to believe without any evidence, that Prabhupada introduced zombie guru nonsense which we don’t find anywhere in any scripture or in any vaisnava sampradaya.

[PADA: But Hanuman is the person who is promoting a ghost or zombie guru? His guru has no name, no address, no physical evidence of existing anywhere? We need to worship a phantom zombie, and not worship the pure devotee?]

Person who introduces dead guru tattva or any other nonsense is actually deviant from the proper vaisnava siddhanta. So, by claiming that Prabhupada introduces himself as a guru who will initiate although not physically present, rtviks in fact claim that Prabhupada is deviant person.


Rtvik theory consequence: 3. Prabhupada is not guru

Crown jewel argument by rtviks is that Prabhupada never named is successor gurus, Prabhupada never named disciples who will continue giving diksa and that is true.


[PADA: And neither can Hanuman name any other person who is the guru now? He only says Srila Prabhupada is not the guru? Hanuman can only identify who is not his guru, but he does not know -- who is? Srila Prabhupada is NOT my guru, ok fine, then who is? Nobody!]

Rtviks claim that only if guru directly tells you that you are next guru or he writes down list of names, then you can become guru. And then they say, Prabhupada never told anybody to become next diksa guru.

[PADA: That is true, who did he say would be the next guru?]

Additionally, rtviks claim that Prabhupada gave the FINAL ORDER, in which he named rtviks and that system should continue after he dies. So, this is really their crown argument, which is based on ignorance.

Now first we should give background of so called FINAL ORDER. This order was given because Prabhupada was sick and couldn’t travel, and list of his disciples waiting for initiation kept growing more and more. In order to solve that issue, Prabhupada established such a system that his senior disciples can give beads to disciples, which is very practical solution.

Now, I will give you example how stupid FINAL ORDER theory really is. Now imagine that I am a guru, and I tell my disciples I have to drink a lot of lemonade to cure myself. And I make a written order that all disciples should bring me lemons so that a lemonade can be made for me.

After a few weeks, I leave this world, and disciples without reading any of my books say, the only way to go back to spiritual world is to drink lemonade. We will not have anymore gurus and disciples, we will just drink lemonade, that is Hanuman’s final order. Is that reasonable? No, that’s just means you are stupid.


[PADA: But you also do not name any other guru yourself?]

Now, for discussion sake, let’s say that rtviks are right, that you can’t become a guru unless you have direct order by your own guru. So, you guru should come to you and say “After I die, you can start initiating disciples.” That is what rtviks are preaching, you can not become guru unless directly ordered by your own guru. By giving such stupid statement, rtviks actually claim that Prabhupada is not guru.


[PADA: OK well Srila Prabhupada says Krishna directs a PURE person to be guru by being seated in the heart of the PURE guru, the internal chaitya guru manifests externally as the representative of Krishna. So yes, without Krishna giving internal dictation to the guru, who else will? 

Fact: pure devotees get their orders to be guru or anything else from Krishna, or from the external representative of Krishna -- to be guru. Of course! Hanuman says a person can be guru, with no order from these higher authority? That is the whole problem.]

Rtvik theory consequence: 4. Prabhupada is not empowered

Prabhupada was hoping to make at least one pure devotee, and rtviks claim that he couldn’t make any pure devotees who would continue parampara and therefore he decided to put himself as the only guru even after he dies.

[PADA: OK and who is the current pure devotee? Hanuman says we Prabhupada devotees are bogus for offering our bhogha, disciples and everything to Srila Prabhupada, ok so who should we offer to instead? We never said a person could not be empowered, we said Hanuman never tells us who that is?]

Prabhupāda: I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca tārā sahasrasaḥ. If I create one moon, that is sufficient. I don’t want many stars. That was my Guru Mahārāja’s principle, and that is my principle. What is the use of having number of fools and rascals? If one man understands rightly, he can deliver the whole world. Morning Walk, March 23, 1974, Bombay)

Prabhupada was hoping to make one pure devotee, and rtviks claim that he couldn’t make any pure devotees who would continue parampara, therefore they are very much eager to attack current ISKCON gurus. If no ISKCON guru is bonafide, then they hope they people will accept rtvik system.

But as I already explained, rtvik system is philosophically flawed, and only way for rtviks to win is to produce better gurus than ISKCON has. But they are not doing that, therefore they are hypocrites.


[PADA: Wow! Hanuman thinks gurus are "produced," something like a car factory "makes cars." Sorry! We do not produce pure devotees, a pure devotee is a person who is in direct contact with God. He is not "produced" by us conditioned souls, he is an internally self-realized soul. We cannot "produce" purity, it either exists by internal purity due to connection to GOD, or it does not. We can "produce" connection to God, like we produce plastic bottles in a factory? Nope! 

This is totally foolish, we are going to "produce" pure devotees, like a factory produces cars, bottles and so on? This is a mundane idea of guru, he is not produced by us, much less us fallen neophytes, he is produced by Krishna. Guru is internally self-realized, and then he is DIRECTLY empowered by Krishna, saksat hari tvena, he is not "produced" by us neophytes speculating on these issues. If its so easy to produce pure devotees, why hasn't Hanuman made them himself?]  

Conclusion

Everybody is born as a fool.

Nobody doesn’t want to submit.
Solution

Rtviks start initiating disciples.

Guru list should be abolished.

[PADA: Sum up!


1) Srila Prabhupada's Gita guru list needs to be abolished, no more guru lists. We need to take out all the lists of gurus and their parampara systems made in the Gita / Chaitanya Charitamrtas etc. by Srila Prabhupada? What!

2) Ritviks need to take the post of diksha guru, absorb sins, and get sick, fall down and die. There is not a big enough pile of dead bodies from this deviation already? Thanks a lot! 

3) Only Krishna can produce a pure devotee, but us neophytes can do the same job as Krishna, and start "producing" pure devotees? A conditioned person cannot even produce a flea, never mind start producing pure devotees?

4) We should worship a non-existing phantom guru, a ghost or a zombie.

5) We should offer bhogha to -- apparently, nobody at all? No one is named?

6) Srila Prabhupada said his India born scholarly God brothers are not qualified to be acharyas, but the mleccha class will be now?

7) Hanuman is number one at criticizing his own living gurus?

8) Hanuman is clearly a mayavada, he does not worship anyone, he says we cannot worship the pure devotee, we should instead worship a person who has no identity, a zombie phantom. 

9) Yes, neophyte devotees who are not YET pure can act as representatives of the acharya, as preachers or priests aka ritviks. Why should we telescope the title of pure devotee upon these neophytes?

10) Anyway, these folks like Rocana / Torben / Ajit / Hanuman / etc. they have no living guru at all, and that is why they cannot produce realistic programs, temples, books, devotees or anything else of substance. They cannot produce followers because there is no one in their program to promote as their factual acharya. 

So they will never amount to anything, meanwhile our Prabhupadanuga devotees are making programs, temples, books, devotees and so forth, because at least we can identify the person whom we all worship as our acharya. 

Anyway good idea, do not worship the GBC gurus, do not worship Prabhupada either, and that leaves us with -- we have to worship you, Mr. Hanuman? He is our newly self-appointed leader? Will this fly? You tell us! Yes, Srila Prabhupada says if you do not name your guru, you are making yourself the guru. Hanuman does not name any guru, because he thinks it is he -- himself. Another GBC guru wanna-be. He never tells us who to surrender to, because he wants us to surrender to him, and this is the same tricks used by Tamal and co. We are on to these tricks by now!

ys pd]