Monday, April 24, 2017

Bhakti Vikas Swami "using arguments to justify child abuse"?

In Response to Bhakti Vikasa Swami


Apr 23, 2017 — ENGLAND — Bhakti Vikasa Maharaj, could you clarify your Position on the use of Corporal Punishment?

Hare Krsna Bhakti vikas Maharaj,

Please accept my obeisance. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I am grateful that you have taken the time to reply to and for your Asirvaadam. I noted, however, that you omitted to address some of the more important points raised the first time around and that your reply published on the Sun is slightly different from the version you posted on your website.

It is concerning that in your response you make no mention about your views on the use of corporal punishment. I am told that some of your disciples are running schools; this would make it that much more imperative that your position on the use of corporal punishment is thoughtful, unambiguous and in line with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: First of all, the GBC is teaching children that God's successor acharyas are often falling into illicit sex with men, women and children. Why is the Bhakti Vikas program teaching this to children? At all? Is this not giving children corrupted teachings? Why does BVKS think we need to tell children that God's successors are often: Debauchees; Porno swamis; People who shoot machine guns; People who drink Vodka; People who smoke marijuana; People who gamble in Los Vegas; People who have oral sex with taxi drivers, and so on?]

For the benefit of the children involved, your disciples and for the ISKCON community at large, could you kindly clarify your stance? I apologize for my oversight in misquoting you when I omitted the word little in your statement "A little fear is good." I only listened to your class once and I didn't pay sufficient attention. Thank you for highlighting this.

[PADA: Well right, people who do not tow the line in the BVKS guru program are often banned, some have been beaten and some even killed. Has that increased the respect people are giving his regime? Nope! One ex-gurukuli told me that the gurukuli's program was like North Korea, the big shots were eating like Saudi Princes, and we got to eat old rotten moldy oatmeal, if we could find any. Yes, people fear North Korea, do they respect it? OK! Not so much ...]

While I agree with the first part of your statement, "Thus both state and religion invoke fear for the betterment of their wards." I don't share your conclusion. The intention in invoking fear in citizens is seldom as noble as you make out. More often than not, fear is just an expedient used by religious and secular authorities to control, exploit and manipulate the masses.

Frequently there are plenty of quotes supporting both sides of an argument. For this reason, rather than digging the Vedabase to find a quote that supports my current world-view and agenda, I prefer to attempt to gain an understanding of the overall body of instructions given on a specific topic. Just as an example, here Srila Prabhupada offers a very different perspective from the one you are promoting:

"Regarding your question should force be used on children, no, there shall be no forcing the children to do anything. Child should not be forced. This is all nonsense. Who has devised these things? If we want them to become great devotees, then we must educate the children with love, not in a negative way." (Srila Prabhupada Letter, December 10, 1972)

Using the fear of hell to inspire people to take up Krsna Consciousness is hardly ideal. I agree that material social norms are not a reliable reference for conduct because they tend to change whimsically with the times. When I mentioned social norms, I was making the point that, if our senior preachers (Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Swami) interact with young women and children in a manner that is not socially acceptable, this will likely have counterproductive effects on their preaching efforts. 

PADA: Gurukulis children reported eating old rotten food, what do these get to eat?

[PADA: Well duh, preaching that God's successors are usually debauchees is not going to win people over to a religion, no kidding! This may however attract sexual deviants, sexual predators, and criminals, which is perhaps why they preach that way?]

Isn't Mayapura a source of a lot of these complaints?

What kind of gurus are you guys producing?

What? Returning the sins back to the disciples?

Have they fixed the Hrdayananda problem yet?

Hence I was highlighting the importance of being considerate and respectful of social norms. Their breach of social norms also happen to be unacceptable from the standpoint of the Vedic requirements of their Sannyas Ashram. I wasn't suggesting that we encourage abortion and divorce so as to gain the approval of the masses.

[PADA: Right, under the GBC and BVKS regime ISKCON has had a huge divorce rate, supposedly around 90 percent. In any case its way above the standards for the karmi society. The GBC regime is creating more divorce than the normal secular society.]

In your class you openly endorsed and at least minimized the gravity of the inappropriate behaviour of Indradyumna Swami and Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. Is your approval aligned with the standard set by Mahaprabhu in the story of Chota Haridas? Your position in the class is in stark contrast with your more recent letter:

"I certainly agree that everyone, especially sannyasis, should be extremely careful in dealing with women and children. It is good to be vigilant, as you are, to highlight serious errors so that they may be rectified".

[PADA: These problems are not being rectified, rather they are going on for decades.]

As these statements of yours appear to be contradictory, could you kindly clarify once and for all, what is your view on the way these two Sannyasis have interacted with women and children? I am not saying this to put you on the spot. They have breached the code of conduct required by their ashram and you have endorsed it. 

Try to imagine the far reaching repercussions this could have 50 years from today! A clear statement from you would help avoid confusion among your disciples in the future… or that you get misquoted by future generations.

I have taken an interest in the CPO for over 10 years now. I am aware that the CPO is flawed and that they have made many mistakes. The devotees that have served with the CPO over the years are, after all, fallible human beings like the rest of us, and for a number of reasons their service hasn't been ideal. To the best of my knowledge, cases where offenders were falsely accused or punished excessively are extremely rare.

Generally speaking, however, these shortcomings have favoured the perpetrators. Incidentally the cases you quote, Dhanurdhara Swami and Varkesvara Pandit are, along with Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, some of the individuals that benefited the most from the lack of a reliable and efficient CPO. Another element these three cases have in common is that Sesa das, our Minister of Justice, Education and GBC, decided to interfere in their defence.

Just to give you a brief example: the CPO normally operates by a standard of evidence known as "preponderance of evidence" which is commonly used in many civil courts of law around the world. Adjudications are determined by weighing up all the available evidence. If the majority of the evidence points to a guilty verdict, the defendant is determined guilty, without the need for overwhelming proof or certainty of guilt. 

This standard is used in CPO adjudications because the CPO has limited resources and does not have access to forensic investigators, but also because the penalties that the CPO can impose are very limited. For Dhanurdhara Swami's case however, Sesa das introduced a far greater standard of evidence known as "evidence beyond reasonable doubt" commonly used in criminal courts of law. This change effectively eliminated many statements and witnesses that would have otherwise weighed against Dhanurdhara Swami; this action alone greatly favoured his defence.

As if all of that was not sufficient, the GBC then issued an official apology to Dhanurdhara Swami for the troubles he underwent during the adjudication.

In the case of Varkesvara Pandit, many ISKCON leaders, most notably Radhanath Swami, Sesa das, Mother Malati among others, stepped up in his help. On the case of Varkesvara Pandit I encourage you to read the observations made by Kirtan Rasa dasa, who has served as a criminal prosecutor in New York. Should you be interested, here you can see a more recent update on Varkesvara Pandit's adventures.

I apologize for not providing clear references. The 1990 report on Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj is not publicly available, however, here you can read a transcript of the official CPO interview of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. This interview explores the problems in the Mayapur Gurukula addressed by the 1990 investigation. It is a lengthy document, but if you take the time to read through it, you will gain a greater understanding of the extent and severity of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's responsibility and negligence.

The 2015 investigation report for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj that I mentioned is available here, under the name "Sri Radhe's Official CPO Case File". While this document is more focused on Sri Radhe's mishandling of the girls gurukula, under the supervision of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, it also covers the improprieties of Maharaj, and confirms many of the problems raised by the 2007 investigation.

Please note that the two investigations and adjudications that took place in the 2007 and 2015 were conducted and reviewed by an entirely different group of devotees.

Even if we want to allow for a very generous margin of error, we'd still have to accept that Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj's conduct over the years remained unacceptable.

If you take the time to read the history of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj and the sanctions imposed upon him for his crimes, you may well agree that the CPO was exceptionally lenient with him.

You mention that the 2007 investigation report includes letters of appreciation for Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj. What you don't seem to recognise is that the abuse of even one child is unacceptable, and it disqualifies a teacher.

It is true that many have good things to say about Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, and this certainly goes to his credit. This does not however, cancel out the dozens of children that he has directly and indirectly abused. You highlight the appreciations and completely disregard the several problems listed in the document as if they do not exist or are of no relevance on account of the fact that some parents were happy with his work.

You bring up the fallibility of the CPO as a justification to warrant your otherwise, seemingly arbitrary endorsement of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, but that's hardly satisfactory.

You rightly pointed out that making serious allegations that are not substantiated with concrete evidence can be perceived as abusive. Yet that is precisely what you have done; your support of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj and undermining of the CPO is highly disrespectful to his victims. All you have offered to support your position are two unrelated (to Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj) and unsubstantiated articles you found on the Sun…

Taking into account the severity of the actions and negligence Maharaj is responsible for, unless you provide convincing and tangible reasons backed by evidence / documents that show how, in the specific case of Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj, the CPO made serious blunders that have unfairly affected the outcome of his case, or that the sanctions imposed were excessive and unwarranted, you will come across as lacking in objectivity and credibility. At the very least you will be seen as placing your friendship towards Bhaktividyapurna Maharaj above your duty to defend Dharma.

What troubled me the most about the statements you made in your class is that these are some of the very same arguments that have been used to justify / dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the last 5 decades.

P.S. Could you also clarify what is your understanding of the appropriate application of the verse Bhagavad-gita 9.30?

[PADA: Yep, Bhakti Vikas swami types have created arguments "used to justify and dismiss the abuse of hundreds of devotee children over the past 5 decades." You got it! ys pd]

At least Satsvarupa knows his future birth. 

Sunday, April 23, 2017

Book Changers Revival in India

PADA: As we can see, Jayadvaita swami is worshiped recently as a big hero in India by GBC's clone heads. Here he is with Lokanath swami, who is called "Jokernath" by the female he was abusing some years ago, when she was only 11 years old. Yep, the whole gang is assembling to revive their changed books program by starting new legal actions against the original books, folks like Radhanath, Jayadvaita, Bhakti Caru, Jokernath, Jayapataka, and then we have people who lick the boots of the above like Bhakti Vikas Swami. 

What makes Jayadvaita swami such a wonderful hero for the GBC folks?

1) He says members of ISKCON's guru succession (acharyas) are often falling into "illicit sex with men, women and children." Why does the GBC promote the worship a person who says their succession of acharyas are often debauchees, because they agree with this idea ... why else?

2) The BBTI lawsuit says Srila Prabhupada is Jayadvaita's "writer for hire." Yep, the acharya is the hired servant of Jayadvaita? Really?

3) Jayadvaita asks on a video, "Why in the hell are people chanting Prabhupada's name and pranams at the samsara prayers ceremony"? Oh I dunno, maybe because he is the acharya?

4) Then the Jayadvaita team legally blocked our books from being released from the printers.

5) Meanwhile the JAS program is worshiping Bhakti Balabha Tirtha, whose guru was perhaps the worst person to insult Srila Prabhupada (Madhava Maharaja), and Madhava is the founder of the bi-sexual acharya deviation of the Gaudiya Matha. That what we need in ISKCON, to worship the founder fathers of the illicit sex acharya's program of 1936? Why do they always end up promoting the illicit sex acharya's program's leaders and their disciples?

Of course, we could go on here extolling the other virtues of Jayadvaita's illicit sex guru's program, asking for example, why are they teaching little children that God's guru successors are often illicit sex debauchees? Is this part of the official ISKCON legal charter, statement of purpose, and / or corporate description, "Henceforward, little children shall be taught to worship an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara." Where is this stated in any official documents? 

Its not, its fraudulent misrepresenting of Krishna and the Vedas.

Thus! What I would do, had I the facility and organizational powers in India, I'd start a fraud lawsuit in India. I would say these people have no authority to say Krishna and his guru succession are an "illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage," and worse, to say Krishna's successive acharyas are often debauchees and deviants is an insult to the Vedic teachings of India, never mind its a total attack on Srila Prabhupada himself, he never agreed to this idea. And do we want the people who say Krishna's successors and India's holy saints are often debauchees, to be in charge of India's Vedic literatures?

Therefore, Jayadvaita is attacking India and its heritage, and he is discrediting the India culture and values world wide, therefore, he should not be handed off the job of re-writing the Vedas of India. Probably this would get into the press media and they would have a field day with this issue. 

And lets not forget that Radhanath is, according to his ex-disciple, not even displaying Srila Prabhupada's books at his programs because they are "too controversial." And who is Radhanath? Oh I forgot, he is the ex-henchman of the worship of another illicit sex acharya, Kirtanananda, and who buried this sexual predator in the holy dham. We need to bury debauchees and sexual predators in Vrndavana? More evidence for a court case over there, they worship known sexual predators as their messiahs in the holy land. 

Then we have guys like Yadubara and Visaka, who according to some associates, told some people recently they should cooperate with the "Krishna House" in Gainesville. Right, that's where they full on worship the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's spokesman / book changer / and so-called acharya Jayadvaita swami. Why does Yadubara think its a good idea to tell children they need to worship his illicit sex debauchees messiah's programs, ... because he is another Jayadvaita clone head himself? And why doesn't Yadubara even know that God and His successors are not debauchees? Ever! 

Poor fellow Hanuman thinks we need to worship Bhakti Vikas swami, because he kisses the feet of all these people and he worships the founder father of the illicit sex acharyas / book changing / Third Reich book removal program named Jayapataka.

Of course ALL this begs the question, why do they want children to worship illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineages, and to re-write the Vedas to suit that agenda? Anyway, this is all fraud, its not what Krishna says, He never says the path to ME is to worship the JAS, Yadubara, GBC's molester messiahs project. So its simple, take that argument to court and sue them for fraud, and have them barred from the legal rights to control / edit / re-write the Vedic literatures. Anyone who says the Vedic acharyas are often having illicit sex with men, women and children has no authority to control the Vedas, and we think a court in India would agree. ys pd

Astrology In the Vedas

Saturday, April 22, 2017

Om Namo Narayanaya (Video)

Deadly Radhanath Disease / BVKS / Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha etc.

By Hanuman das

Deadly disease

Deadly disease was spreading in ISKCON for years in form of Radhanath baba’s mayavadi philosophy. The idea is that by being philosophically deviated, associating with Mayavadis and sahajiyas and considering them friends, and generally being “smarter” than Prabhupada, you will attract a lot of followers and bring them to Srila Prabhupada lotus feet. In theory, this sounds nice, but it will never work.

Exactly the opposite is happening, as you will see from this article, as Radhanath’s clone army is growing, it is no longer possible to preach Srila Prabhupada’s original philosophy. You could see in last few days, I published articles where Radhanath baba’s own disciples, namely Jvalamukhi and Radha Madhava are rejecting him because of his cover ups and desire to change Prabhupada's teachings.

But today, I am going to publish something much worse. I will show you how disciples of other gurus are rejecting their own gurus, because their own gurus are covering up for Radhanatha baba. 

The war is on.

This movie is not 100% about Radhanath baba, but it has a lot of his philosophy and his book is directly mentioned on couple of occasions. Keep in mind that one of main leaders in Russia, Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, is also follower of Radhanath baba. So, all the weirdness that is happening there is partially Radhanath baba’s responsibility.

[PADA: Not really, the whole GBC is responsible for this mess, since they have known all along that the Kirtanananda / Radhanath empire are deviated from the early 1980s, when they were sued by the Syracuse FEDERAL court (and lost), they had their drug mules arrested, and they were creating a criminal enterprise at New Vrndavana that was eventually raided by Federal Marshals. There was also the deviation where devotees dressed in brown monk robes, and countless other bogus things were going on there, and the GBC knew about all this and more because they sometimes went there, had meetings there etc. 

After all this was made public, including the Sulochana murder and the Federal Raid, then the GBC made Radhanath, Devamrta, Kuladri,, Tapah Punjah and others -- their biggest leaders. And then later other big GBC folks buried the carcass of Kirtanananda in Vrndavana, along with Radhanath. The entire GBC are the people who have been enabling, empowering and foisting Radhanath and his henchmen upon the society, for decades. 

Of course, apart from Radhanath other "reformers" like Trivrikrama, Indradyumna, Sacinandan, Prithu, Jayadvaita, Ravindra swarupa, Bhakti Vikas swami and many others were also "voted in" as acharyas alongside with the deviant ex-New Vrndavana group. So they are all co-conspirators or co-acharyas with Radhanath, and they are thus in the same voted in GBC guru party.]

In this movie, Krishna Nama das, is talking with his own guru, Indradyumna Swami, about all the weird preaching going on in Russia, and how authorities are oppressing him because he wants to preach Prabhupada’s original message. And he is especially mentioning 3 major issues propapaged by Radhanath baba: Mother Theresa's saintliness, Neem Karoli baba's divinity and mayavadi Krishna das.

It’s a very long video, so, I have broken it up to pieces so you can rewind to the part that which you want to listen.

Initial exposee by Mathura Nama das

1:20 Indirect preaching nonsense
1:55 Torsonov nonsense.
2:10 - Definition of indirect preaching
2:50 - We should not preach as Prabhupada preached
3:16 - Everyone will go away if we preach like Prabhupada,

MY COMMENT: This idea that if we preach like Prabhupada, everybody will leave, that is essential though behind everything that Radhanath baba is doing. Well, let me tell ya one thing, some of us will leave if we start preaching like 
Radhanath baba.

3:42 - They asked Bhakti Vikasa Swami the same question
4:48 - Bhakti Vikasa Swami’s reply to this question.

[PADA: Right, Bhakti Vikas Swami was "voted in" simultaneously when the GBC recoronated Bhavananda as their acharya, which means in 1986 the GBC re-certified that sex with Taxi drivers if the qualification of an acharya. So Bhakti Vikas swami (BVKS) is an official "sex with Taxi drivers certified acharya" himself. BVKS says he is a diksha guru, because he is part of the sex with Taxi driver's guru parampara? 

BVKS has never explained, why is he a card carrying member of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? And why does BVKS keep saying that worship of his illicit sex guru sampradaya is in "the tradition"? Is there any religion on earth that has "the tradition" of worship of illicit sex as their acharyas and messiahs? 

OK, BVKS has no discrimination, that ISKCON should not promote the worship of sex with Taxi drivers as its acharyas, rather he has promoted that deviation himself all along by being voted in ALONG with it. Did we forget to mention that the 1986 BVKS "guru reform" program excommunicated Sulochana, which lead to his murder, because Sulochana said there was rampant crimes going on here. So the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS program had to remove and discredit him, as the GBC and BVKS did? And by their demonizing Sulochana, they got him killed.]   

[PADA: Of course they are also killing the books, the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS program always glorifies the books changers. And now the GBC / Radhanath / BVKS folks are holding our books hostage with a lawsuit in India. We are not allowed to get our books ...!] 

5:37 - Indirect preaching means devotees dressed like karmis
6:14 - Indirect preaching - No preaching about Krishna or surrender to Krishna
7:20 - Nationalism = Materialism
11:28 - Restriction placed on teacher not to argue with devotees, because he didn’t accept mother Theresa is saintly.

[PADA: Right, mother Theresa is a saint, while the Prabhupada devotees are not. And that is why Radhanath and his GBC program is spending $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupada devotees to drive them out of Prabhupada's temples.] 

12:43 - In the book Journey Home, mayavadis are glorified: Neem Karoli baba, Dalai Lama.
13:57 - Devotees are not given chance to give counter arguments to indirect preaching.
15:19 - Audarya Nama preaching not bonafide.
16:58 - Cancer treatment by Audarya Nama.
18:20 - Mathura Nama wanted open discussion, Mathura Nama was treated as rebel, REQUESTED TO STEP DOWN FROM BOARD AND LEAVE THE ASRAMA.

Accused they wanted to usurp the power. They told situation to BVKS, he replied that we want develop traditionally, no indirect preaching, guru-sadhu-sastra, another BVKS disciple Jagadish das kicked out from Kazan temple, BVKS said that Jagadish acted properly.

[PADA: BVKS has had us kicked out, and even murdered, by his ongoing support of the overall GBC. He has all along supported them and their idea that we need to worship these living deviants as acharyas. He says our Prabhupada pooja idea is bogus. And he is best pals with Jayapataka, where there are still problems in their schools because they never weeded out the deviants since 1977. Jayapataka was one of the people who said we need to keep the sex with Taxi driver acharya's program, and BVKS is his sannyasa disciple. BVKS is the car carrying disciple of the sex with Taxi driver acharyas program.]

BVKS: I love to promote the worship of sex with Taxi drivers acharyas (and kick out the worship of Srila Prabhupada)!

21:06 - Jagadish das, brahmacari, distributing Prabhupada’s books for 15 years, was giving lectures according to sastra, temple president, regional secretary, told him: “You should not speak like Prabhupada, otherwise we will kick you out”, and this is what happened.

22:01 - We are exactly same position, declared banned out of ISKCON structure, can’t get books for distribution. Although they need Srila Prabhupada’s books to distribution.

MY COMMENT: This is how crazy ISKCON is today: Only way to get Prabhupada’s books and to distribute them, is to agree not to preach like Prabhupada. What a schizophrenic society did Radhanath baba create.

[PADA: No, whole GBC and their bucket boys like BVKS created this regime.]

Reply by Indradyumna Swami

MY COMMENT: This is most funny reply in the history of ISKCON. Instead of blasting nonsense, and there was ton of nonsense mentioned: Mother Theresa, Neem Karoli baba, you name it, Indradyumna Swami is silent about all the nonsense, but he says “I am traditionalist”. That is a new kind of traditionalist, who is not able to say one word against Radhanath baba nonsense preaching.

23:19 - Why not both?

MY COMMENT: Why not both, why not preach from Prabhupada’s books, and in the same time preach that Neem Karoli is saint, and that mother Theresa, cow meat distributor is also saintly. Ahm, I don’t think that will work.

[PADA: Right, this came up before, that Radhanath is saying that a meat eater is a saint and we should not be doing that, but the GBC failed to check his program. And people like BVKS were voted in as gurus simultaneously to Radhanath being voted in, they have the same guru beeja.]

24:20 - I am traditionalist, I am old school.


24:41 - People complain that I speak too directly.


25:45 - Festival of India
27:00 - Dressed as devotees
27:56 - There is room for another approach
29:00 - Airport karmi dress, distribute yoga, meditation
32:00 - Many people joined over psychology.

MY COMMENT: I met some Russian people, who were kicked out from ISKCON, such as Mathura Nama, for not accepting psychology nonsense.

33:55 - Prasadam, secret weapon.

[PADA: What is prasadam? Hanuman himself never explain this point either? You have to offer bhogha to the pure devotee, or its not prasadam. He never explains if he accepts this system or what?]



MY COMMENT: Here, Indradyumna Swami is getting schizophrenic, message of Prabhupada is compromised by Radhanath baba long time ago. Otherwise, why Mathura Nama is complaining??? Why Mathura Nama is being kicked from his temple if message is not compromised? All he wants to do is to preach what Prabhupada preached. But he is not allowed to do that in Prabhupada’s own movement.

35:45 - Caitanya Mahaprabhu is innovative because of singing and dancing instead of lecturing in the temple


MY COMMENT: So, when Radhanath baba, who is supposed to be sannyasi, engages in eye camps, and Prabhupada said: “In Bhagavad-gita there is no such statement that you take care of the eyes of the people. There is no such statement. That is your manufactured idea.” (Room Conversation – January 8, 1977, Bombay) Is that a compromised message or not?

37:45 - Change - Bhaktivinoda introduced nama-hatta
37:53 - Bhakti siddhanta innovator who shocked

38:15 - I am suprised Bhakti Vikasa Swami is speaking so strongly against innovative preaching BECAUSE HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT BHAKTI SIDDHANTA.

38:25 - Bhaktisiddhanta radical innovative preaching, that was him.

39:04 - I read book 3 times, I LOVE THAT BOOK.

MY COMMENT: Imagine this, Indradyumna Swami is defending Radhanath nonsense and all other nonsense by using Bhakti-siddhanta Sarasvati as an example, amazing stuff. So, when Radhanath Swami writes in his book Journey Home, that Neem Karoli baba is saintly, that Ramesh baba is his lifelong friend, that is same innovative preaching as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was going. 

Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, since you claim that you read Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava three times, you surely know that Bhaktisiddhantha Sarasvati was greatest enemy of sahajiyas and mayavadis. Comparing Bhaktisiddhanta with Radhanath is really beyond level of good taste, and constitutes offence towards Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.

[PADA: Yep, just see how foolish the GBC and their gurus are, they think that Radhanath, BVKS and others are acharyas, because they are certified as acharyas simultaneously when sex with Taxi drivers is certified as acharyas and all the above is "the tradition." That is what BVKS keeps saying, we have to worship his sex with Taxi driver guru certificate or "we are not in the tradition." The tradition is -- sex with Taxi drivers?]

39:15 - That’s where I get idea that you can be non traditional and get away with it.

39:43 - kurta coat, motors, festivals that people didn’t know they are coming to Krishna consciousness at all.

41:10 - Festivals Bhakti siddhanta, material and spiritual, jiu jitsu, circus, film shows, athletics, spiritual inner circle. Detailed explanation.

MY COMMENT: Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Vaibhava states that there were many mundane attractions at the Mayapura Pradarsani, for attracting non-devotees. But in his writing and speaking Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was always straightforward, unlike deliberately vague, verging on Mayavadi, Radhanath baba.

47:20 - Kali progresses, vaisnavas must be innovative
48:00 - Tax your brains how to spread this movement.

MY COMMENT: Please, dear Indradyumna Swami, tell Radhanath baba to turn off his brain, if he starts taxing his brain how to spread this movement, some of us find it hard to survive that nonsense.

48:20 - Fine line


MY COMMENT: Well, dear Indradyumna Swami, you can agree that Radhanath Swami didn’t cross the line, we are very happy that you finally aligned yourself as supporter of Radhanath Swami, you just lost a disciple for saying that, and I am sure you’ll lose many more.

50:00 - Bhakti for the Divine.
51:00 - They like him because he is not pushy,
51:44 - Maharaj makes more devotees than me.

MY COMMENT: Yea? Devotees of who? Idea is to be devoted to Prabhupada. Radhanath baba makes devotees who are devoted to hospitals, mayavadis and eye camps. And all those people are not really interesting in Prabhupada, finding him politically incorrect and old fashioned. Therefore, having failed to become fascinated by Srila Prabhupada, they are lingering on the sahajiya level of consciousness, often insulting to Prabhupada, and persecuting his real followers, their future is very dark.

52:02 - Politicians take initiation, I can’t do that.
52:10 - My most indirect preaching, is I wear jacket which says Russia.
54:45 - I agree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami, too much compromise is not good.

MY COMMENT: Yes, Indradyumna Swami maharaja, we agree at least once in this video.

55:25 - We must be very strict, but that will not attract people ??? Purity is the force.
57:00 - It’s not sinful Maya.

MY COMMENT: How about Ramesh baba disco dance? Is that sinful? Should we consider people like Ramesh baba to be our lifelong friends?

57:45 - Rock music
59:45 - I never go to rock concert and don’t allow devotees.
1:00:00 - Poison get washed away
1:01:30 - Crap rock music
1:02:30 - Given women gayatri mantra
1:03:20 - Room for both
1:03:40 - There is place for Sacinandana Swami and Radhanath Swami.

MY COMMENT: Yes, this is what I wanted to her, finally somebody made a place for sannyasis with girlfriends.

1:04:18 - Judge by result
1:05:00 - Both parties should preach, not fight, side by side

MY COMMENT: Seriously, you are telling this to your disciple who is getting 
kicked from temple because he wants to preach what Prabhupada preached? 


Reply by Mathura nama das:

1:06:30 - Devotees are influenced by mayavada sahajiya, leader of bhakti sanga claims mother Theresa is saintly. Krishna das is mayavadi.

Reply by Indradyumna Swami:

1:07:25 - Whenever you go to preach, there is always a chance for contamination.
1:10:00 - Strong sadhana, will not be attracted. We should preach to mayavadis, Krishna das should also get the mercy.

MY COMMENT: Dear Indradyumna Swami, preaching to Krishna das is one thing, ISKCON people organising tours for him and allowing him to contaminate devotees by his singing is another thing. Preaching to sahajiyas is one thing, And [claiming that they are out lifelong friends] is another thing.

1:11:00 - Prabhupada was associating with mayavadi dr Misra, and cured him from disease. Prabhupada many devotees by singing, not by preaching.

MY COMMENT: Prabhupada never converted mayavadi dr Misra to vaisnavism

1:12:00 - When associating with mayavadis, we speak their language a little bit.

MY COMMENT: Interesting, but Prabhupada never “spoke mayavadi language” a little bit. And Radhanath baba is speaking mayvadi language a lot, not little.

1:13:00 - Times have changed.

MY COMMENT: Yes, times have changed, Prabhupada’s followers were tolerating Radhanath baba for some years, and now we go to war

[PADA: Well the GBC is not merely tolerating, they are supporting and they also support his $20,000,000 lawsuit.]

Reply by Mathura nama das:

1:14:00 - How to develop simultaneously?

MY COMMENT: This is too painful to watch, disciple is pleading to be allowed to preach what Prabhupada preached.

Reply by Indradyumna Swami:

1:14:59 - Loyal independent, loyal to ISKCON but have my independent program. Generally, I don’t criticize , not publicly.

MY COMMENT: You are not loyal independent, you are loyal to Radhanath baba and agree with him 100%, you didn’t say one word against his deviations. And you are having no problems to disagree with Bhakti Vikasa Swami. There is no such thing as loyal independent.

[PADA: Right, when the deviation of sex with Taxi drivers was being discussed, people like BVKS said he needed to get voted into that sampradaya, and he is. None of them are independent of that deviation because they all went along with it, and they still support pillar members of that group like JPS. Indradyumna is BVKS fellow member because he too was voted into the sex with Taxi driver sampradaya.] 

1:15:30 - If they want to become siksa disciples of Bhakti Vikasa Swami, that’s ok.

MY COMMENT: Damn right is ok, having Radhanath babas supporter as guru sucks big time, this video is proof of that.

[PADA: Why is taking shiksha from the sex with Taxi dirver's sampradaya ok?] 

1:15:50 - Other persons are not doing anything devious, we should recognize the validity of it.

MY COMMENT: Here you have it, preaching about Neem Karoli baba is not deviation, mother Theresa is who was feeding people with meat is actually divine, organizing concerts with mayavadi Krishna das also not deviation, speaking mayavadi language “a little bit” is also not deviant. 

And where is the line? Line is when you start opening brothels and selling drugs I guess. Everything before that is ok, as long as you are making devotees (since when Radhanath closed who don’t like Prabhupada are called devotees?)
1:16:51 - You can’t criticise their preaching because that is exactly what Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati was doing.


1:18:00 - All our acaryas, including Caitanya Mahaprabhu, preached indirectly.

MY COMMENT: LOL, no comment needed. At this point, I reached my limit. There is only certain amount of nonsense I can digest, you can watch the rest of video. there are around 50 minutes more.

The aftermath

As a result of this video, Mathura Nama das no longer considers himself disciple of Indradyumna Swami, doesn’t recite his pranama mantra, and he took shelter of real ISKCON guru. 

[PADA: Mathura Nama took shelter of the sex with Taxi driver's acharya's sampradaya? Why is that better? Better than what? It might be better to worship mother Teresa and Jesus -- than BVKS and his sex with Taxi drivers acharyas?] 

Basic function of real ISKCON guru is to explain difference between illusion and reality for the benefit of all. Indradyumna Swami obviously didn’t do this in this video, rather he sided with traitor of Prabhupada, Radhanath baba, who is promoting Ramesh baba, doing eye camps, opening hospitals, and preaching nonsense philosophy which is nowhere to be found in Prabhupada’s books.

Do you want to live in Radhanath’s new nonsense ISKCON where you are not allowed to repeat Prabhupada’s words? If you do, then stay silent, don’t complain and let Radhanath’s clone army conquer everything.

[PADA: Radhanath's program has gone on forever and no one really complained much about it for years, now that its deviations are emerging more clearly, the GBC is in a pickle because they promoted him so widely, how to retract that now without looking even more foolish than they already look?

Incidently, the GBC's and Jayapataka's Mayapura project, their world head quarters no less, is hosting the departure of a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, the person who insulted Prabhupada (I was there) and this is the BVKS sannyasa guru program? Why is the GBC promoting Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha, a disciple of Madhava Maharaja, one of the founder fathers of the 1936 bi-sexual acharya's program and one of the worst insulters to Prabhupada? 

After Madhava left, Srila Prabhupada said we have to post a guard at my door because these God brothers might try to harm OR KILL ME. And these are the same people whose sampradaya we worship now? Of course Paramadvaiti swami from the Gaudiya Matha is also a fan of the Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha program, they are all united on these issues with the GBC. 

And why is BVKS saying these Mayapura deviants are his sannyasa gurus? And why do these guys always end up glorifying the founders of bi-sexual acharyas, sex with Taxi drivers, Prabhupada insulting acharyas, and in sum, what Jayadvaita swami says is "illicit sex with men, women and children" acharyas? And why does BVKS say that his illicit sex acharya's program is "the tradition"? YS PD]

Bhakti Vikas swami demonizes Prabhupada worship as "shameless deviation" is this because, he wants to get more of us killed?

Bhakti Vikas swami creates a  society no one can live in?

Friday, April 21, 2017

Hinduism in Central Ohio

Jehovah's Witness Group Banned in Russia

[PADA: Property and assets ordered seized and liquidated. While I am not entirely a big fan of these Jehovah's folks, its alarming that any alternate religion to the "Russian Orthodox Church" can be seized and shut down instantly. Not a good sign for "other religions" in that region, or for religious freedoms in general. And that could be bad news for other "smaller sects." 

The Jehovah's witness folks sometimes visit me here, and I find them to be friendly, and at least very dedicated to their religion and serving Jehovah. This cannot be a major dangerous problem, unless you are a competing religion and they are taking people away from your camp. 

Of course here in ISKCON we had the direct opposite rule, we were ordered that we had to allow our competing religions and camps into our society, like Sridhara, Narayan, BV and BP Puri maharajas, Ramesh Baba, Fakir Mohan, Babajis, Disciples of Prabhupada insulters like Madhava Maharaja etc., and we had to allow them to siphon off thousands of our ISKCON followers over to their camps under GBC decree. 


ISKCON MAYAPUR getting ready to welcome the transcendental body of HDG BHAKTI BALABH TIRTHA MAHARAJA on the 21st of April 2017.

ISKCON MAYAPUR is getting ready to receive HDG SRILA BHAKTI BALLABH TIRTHA MAHARAJA's transcendental body. As per instructions of HH JAYAPATAKA SWAMI GURUMAHARAJA full ceremony of honoring an Acarya will be performed. Maharaja will be received with big Kirtan by devotees and special invocation and Sanyas suktas by the Gurukulis. 

Then his transcendental body will be taken in procession to get Darsan of Srila Prabhupada's Bhajan kutir and thereafter will proceed to the main temple of Sri Sri Radha Madhav. Panca Tattva and Narasimhadeva for special Darsan. On the court yard will be given full honors by devotees with special Vaishnava songs and then procession will proceed to His Divine Grace's Math.

We worship a disciple of Madhava, the person who yelled at Prabhupada for having the title of Prabhupada? These are the people we need to glorify in ISKCON? ISKCON has a policy, we get to worship EVERYONE ELSE except Srila Prabhupada?

Invites in the competition

Of course then we also have guys like Krishna Kirtan das and his vociferous program of promoting Krishna Balaram swami, who is writing his own Bhagavatams -- self evidently, he thinks Prabhupada's writings are defective. So we need to allow the competition to Srila Prabhupada to re-write his books and take over his religion. 

Our bogus leaders and their clones like Krishna Kirtan actually made the opposite rule, we have to allow in all the other competing camps and siphon our religion down to the bone, because they wanted to split our religion over to the competition. Maybe they should have had the same rules as Russia, other camps cannot operate in our domain. ys pd]     

Thursday, April 20, 2017

Disappearance Vrndavan Das Thakura

Happy Festival Day of Sri Vrindavan Das Thakur! (Friday 4/21/17)

Vrindavan Das Thakur was born on the Krishna-dvadashi of the month of Vaishakh in 1429 of the Shaka era (1507 AD). Some say he was born in Mamgachi in the Nabadwip area, others say his birthplace was in Kumarahatta. His father was Vaikunthanatha Vipra, who originally came from Sylhet (Sylhet), his mother Narayani Devi. Narayani was the daughter of Srivasa Pandit’s elder brother, Shrinalina Pandit. Kavi Karnapura has also mentioned her name in his Gaura-ganoddesha-dipika:

ambikayah svasa yasin namna shrila-kilimbika
krishnocchishtam prabhuïjana seyam narayani mata

Kilimbika, who used to eat Krishna’s remnants, was the younger sister of Krishna’s nurse Ambika (Srivasa’s wife, Malini). In Mahaprabhu’s lila, she became Narayani.

Narayani also achieved fame because she received Gaurasundara’s mercy when he gave her his remnants. When the Lord displayed his divine form in the Mahaprakasha in Srivasa Angan, Narayani was only a small child of four, but the Lord made her intoxicated with the ecstasy of prema. Whether born in Mamagachi or in Kumarahatta, Vrindavan Das later lived in the village of Denuria, within the Matreshvara precinct of Burdwan district. Thus Denuria is considered to be his Shripata. 

He spent some of his childhood with his mother in Mamagachi, at the home of his maternal grandparents where Narayani was married. Vrindavan Das’s Gaura-Nitai deities are still worshiped at the Mamagachi home. When his father died, he and his mother moved to Srivasa’s house where he received Mahaprabhu’s special blessings.

Vrindavan Das Writes Chaitanya Bhagavat

Because of the copious blessings he received from Nityananda Prabhu, Vrindavan Das is said to have been his initiated disciple.

Vrindavan Das is the recipient of Nityananda’s blessings. He is the original Vyasa of Chaitanya’s pastimes. (Chaitanya Charitamrita 3.20.82)

He wrote Chaitanya Bhagavat in 1535 AD. Krishnadas Kaviraj Goswami, the author of Chaitanya Charitamrita, has written the following in praise of Vrindavan Das Thakur:

Vrindavan Das, the son of Narayani, wrote the Chaitanya Mangala. Vedavyasa described Krishna’s life in the Srimad Bhagavatam and Vrindavan Das is the Vyasa of Chaitanya-lila. (Chaitanya Charitamrita 1.11.54-5)

Just as Vyasadeva compiled Lord Krishna’s pastimes in Srimad Bhagavatam, Thakur Vrindavan Das depicted Lord Chaitanya’s pastimes. His Chaitanya Mangala annihilates all misfortune. From it, I learned the wonders of Lord Chaitanya and Nityananda and came to know all the most subtle doctrines of devotional service to Krishna. Vrindavan Das Thakur has summarized the essence of the teachings of the Srimad Bhagavatam in his Chaitanya Mangala. 

If even a Muslim or an atheist should listen to Chaitanya Mangala, he immediately becomes a great Vaishnava. An ordinary human being could not have composed such a sublime work; Lord Chaitanya himself has spoken through the mouth of Vrindavan Das. I offer millions of obeisances unto the lotus feet of Vrindavan Das Thakur who has delivered the entire universe through his book. He was born in the womb of Narayani who eternally enjoys Sri Chaitanya’s remnants. How wonderful is his description of the activites of the Lord, simply by hearing which the three worlds have become sanctified! (Chaitanya Charitamrita 1.8.34-42)

Vrindavan Das became so absorbed in the description of Nityananda Prabhu’s lila that he did not elaborately relate all of Mahaprabhu’s activities, only summarizing them in abbreviated form. Krishnadas then elaborated on these undescribed activities in his Chaitanya Charitamrita.

Vrindavan Das the authorized biographer of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and equal to Srila Vyasadeva. He has described the Lord’s pastimes in such a way as to make them sweeter and sweeter. I shall try as far as possible to fill in the accounts he left out out of fear of excessively enlarging his book. (Chaitanya Charitamrita 1.13.48-9)

Disappearance day of Sri Vrindavana dasa Thakura, April 21, 2017  

Srila Prabhupada glorifies the unique position of Srila Vrindavana dasa Thakura\

Vrindavana dasa Thakura's birth 

nārāyaṇī--caitanyera ucchiṣṭa-bhājana
tāṅra garbhe janmilā śrī-dāsa-vṛndāvana


nārāyaṇī—of the name Nārāyaṇī; caitanyera—of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu; ucchiṣṭa-bhājana—eater of the remnants of food; tāṅra—of her; garbhe—in the womb; janmilā—took birth; śrī-dāsa-vṛndāvana—Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Thākura.

TRANSLATION Nārāyaṇī eternally eats the remnants of the food of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura was born of her womb.


In the Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā, a book written by Kavi-karṇapūra that describes all the associates of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and who they previously were, there is the following statement regarding Nārāyaṇī:

ambikāyāḥ svasā yāsīn
nāmnā śrīla-kilimbikā
kṛṣṇocchiṣṭaṁ prabhuñjānā
seyaṁ nārāyaṇī matā

When Lord Kṛṣṇa was a child, He was nursed by a woman named Ambikā, who had a younger sister named Kilimbikā. During the time of Lord Caitanya's incarnation, the same Kilimbikā used to eat the remnants of food left by Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. That Kilimbikā was Nārāyaṇī, who was a niece of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura's. Later on, when she grew up and married, Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura was born from her womb. A devotee of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is celebrated in terms of devotional service rendered to the Lord; thus we know Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura as the son of Nārāyaṇī. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura notes in this connection that there is no reference to his paternal ancestry because there is no need to understand it.

Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 8: The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru : Adi 8.41 : PURPORT :

Vrindavana dasa Thakura as the author of Sri Caitanya-Bhagavata

vṛndāvana-dāsa--nārāyaṇīra nandana
'caitanya-maṅgala' yeṅho karila racana


vṛndāvana-dāsa—Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura; nārāyaṇīra nandana—son of Nārāyaṇī; caitanya-maṅgala—the book of the name Caitanya-maṅgala; yeṅho—who; karila—did; racana—composition.


Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura, the son of Śrīmatī Nārāyaṇī, composed Śrī Caitanya-maṅgala [later known as Śrī Caitanya-bhāgavata]
Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 11: The Expansions of Lord Nityananda : Adi 11.54 :

bhāgavate kṛṣṇa-līlā varṇilā vedavyāsa
caitanya-līlāte vyāsa--vṛndāvana dāsa


bhāgavate—in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam; kṛṣṇa-līlā—the pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa; varṇilā—described; veda-vyāsa—Dvaipāyana Vyāsadeva; caitanya-līlāte—in the pastimes of Lord Caitanya; vyāsa—Vedavyāsa; vṛndāvana dāsa—Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura.


Śrīla Vyāsadeva described the pastimes of Kṛṣṇa in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The Vyāsa of the pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu was Vṛndāvana dāsa.


Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura was an incarnation of Vedavyāsa and also a friendly cowherd boy named Kusumāpīḍa in kṛṣṇa-līlā.In other words, the author of Śrī Caitanya-bhāgavata, Śrīla Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura, the son of Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura's niece Nārāyaṇī, was a combined incarnation of Vedavyāsa and the cowherd boy Kusumāpīḍa. There is a descriptive statement by Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura in his commentary on Śrī Caitanya-bhāgavata giving the biographical details of the life of Vṛndāvana dāsa Ṭhākura

Alex Jones "Unhinged Conspiracy Theorist"

[PADA: Some devotees over the years have sent me various links to the Alex Jones' "Info Wars" site, with some alarming news story, where he propounds basically some of the Illuminati type stuff , ok same stuff that attracts folks like the Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad, Janardan, HKC Jaipur types, and even some of our own associates. 

Meanwhile his own wife says he is an unhinged conspiracy theorist? How come these "karmi" ladies are always way ahead of all of these "devotees"? And she says that their children are watching his unhinged show at their house, so its bad for their children. Well yeah ... its basically a lot of hype and hysteria and kids should not be subjected to these rants. She is right. Again!

And now even Alex Jones' own lawyer says he has not been espousing factual and real news, its basically fake news, because the whole show is "a performance act." Yep, many devotees are prone to fake news performance acts, whether from the unhinged GBC's guru side or from the mundane side. 

Its amazing to me that probably hundreds of millions of "karmi women" can see these people are "unhinged conspiracy theorists" while many devotees lap up this news site as real and substantial. Then we wonder why so many "devotees" got sucked into the GBC's guru's fake news program? They did not listen to Srila Prabhupada, he says mundane news is fake news from the get go. He also says acharyas are not appointed, that is the real news. Krishna devotees who are part time Alex Jones' disciples, take note please! ys pd