Sunday, December 31, 2017

Srila Prabhupada's Ritvik System and ISKCON (update: video)

Vancouver Devotees Prabhupada Initiation Ceremony

Devotees Wanted for Jan 1st Rose Parade (Los Angeles)

Dear Friends,

On Monday, January 1st we will be going to the Rose Parade and doing Harinama! We will be leaving the LA temple at 5:00am. We hope you can join us! It is a super magical event. There are a million people bored out of their minds waiting for the floats and really appreciate us coming by and chanting the Holy Name. If you'd like to go, please let us know and we'd love to have you along!

Also, we like to hand out prasadam candy canes to the audience members. We have 7500 candy canes and will be labeling them today with the Holy Name. If you could find a little time to come help, we will be in the LA temple room starting at 11:00 today. Please come hang out and help if you can!
With Appreciation,

Guru (Mukta Carita) and Poonam (Prema Vrsti)

Srila Prabhupada vs Sridhara / Narayana / Tripurari / Uttama Sloka etc. Jeeva Tattva

Where do the jeeva souls originate from?

Srila Prabhupada: Because we have got little independence. Just like a very rich man's son, sometimes gives up home life, his father and mother, he loiters in the street — that is his choice. Similarly, from sastra we can understand that originally we were in Krsna, with Krsna. But somehow or other we have come to enjoy this material world; therefore we have been entangled. Now get out of this entanglement and go back to Krsna. That is our proposition.

Guest: If we had been in the state of perfect Krsna consciousness, then surely we would have been able to have the awareness to know that material existence would have been no good for us. So why then would we have gone into…

Prabhupada: That is ignorance. That is ignorance. Because we are very small particle of Krsna, we are subjected to ignorance also. We are not fully in knowledge. Therefore just like a child out of ignorance does something wrong. Similarly, Krsna bhuliya jiva bhoga vancha kare (Prema-vivarta). We thought that by giving up Krsna's association, we shall be happy remaining independent, and then when we came here, we became entangled.


PADA: There you have it. (A) We were with Krishna, and then (B) we came into the material existence. "Originally we were in Krishna, with Krishna." And "We thought that by giving up Krishna's association, we shall be happy remaining independent." So all of these (deviated) people who said "we were never with Krishna," such as: Some of the Gaudiya Matha's folks / Uttama Sloka dasa and / or ex-Jagat Guru swami / ex-Panchadravida swami / ex-Bhakta Sudheer swami / Paramadvaiti swami / Navadvip's BR Sridhara Maharaja / BV Narayana Maharaja / Gaura Govinda Maharaja / Tripurari swami etc. have really not done their research on this matter.  

Then again, no one would have even heard of the false jeeva tattva folks like BR Sridhara Maharaja / BV Narayana Maharaja etc. if the GBC had not draggged them into ISKCON and declared they are the seniormost "advisors" "shiksha gurus" "rasika club leaders" of ISKCON. Sorry, "we were all originally Krishna conscious living beings," that is our jeeva tattva. Most of these people have rejected the jeeva tattva of Srila Prabhupada, and similarly almost all of these people supported the Gaudiya Matha / GBC's conditioned soul's acharyas process as well. BR Sridhara Maharaja for example openly says we originated in the brahmajyoti, and Tripurari swami said he agrees with this version. 

Srila Prabhupada was asked why some of his God brothers do not accept that we were once with Krishna and he said, they are tinged with mayavada. No surprise then, that a lot of these folks also supported the hokey Gaudiya Matha and / or GBC's guru process. All of this is being done to minimise the position of the real acharya, and artificially boost up and make themselves look like they know more than the acharya, its that simple, its about their own self-glorification. 

Did we forget to mention, when all the banning, beating, molesting and assassinating was going on, most of these guys were enabling, if not sitting around having tea and crumpets with, the GBC's "acharyas" i.e. orchestrators of the oppressive regime? And many of these folks combinedly thought we were "being offensive" for objecting to the evil regime? Srila Prabhupada says sahajiyas are de facto mayavadas; and supporting false acharyas is sahajiya; and self-evidently -- these sahajiyas are also promoting mayavada jeeva tattva. 

ys pd


by Purujit Dasa

Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demon becomes envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in his own body and in the bodies of others, and blasphemes against the real religion.

Bg 16.18

This verse describes our original fall down. The rebellious living entity is envious of the Lord, and because he tries to become the Lord he simultaneously desires to extinguish his own self, which is an eternal part and parcel of God and which eternally reminds him of his subordinate position. In the Bhagavad-gita, however Lord Krsna explains that this is not possible. We cannot change the soul’s constitution under any circumstance. If we changed the soul’s constitution it would loose its eternity, or stability. He says:

This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

Bg 2.24

But although the individual minute soul is not able to merge with Krsna, who is ever-full in Himself, directly, Krsna makes it possible for him to merge with Him indirectly, namely He allows the living entity to merge with His inferior energy- matter. Despite the false propaganda of the Mayavadi philosophers, the living entity however never looses his original individuality completely. This can be explained in the following way. At death, the body is transformed into earth. The body while being alive already contains earth, so in that sense it is already earth, yet the body appears distinct from the mass of earth on account of the presence of the soul, who on account of his various individual desires creates varieties of bodily forms by his karma. The soul never mixes with the earth or any other material element. And if the soul does not even merge with anything in the material sense, why would it merge in the spiritual sense at the time of liberation as suggested by the Mayavadis? So when we say it merges, it is just like a green bird entering a green tree. After the bird enters the tree, we might not see separate existence of the bird, but that does not mean that the bird’s existence is finished. He exists separately from the tree although merged in the sense of the color.

​to be continued...

Saturday, December 30, 2017

Quiting meat with "plant based" burgers?

India is like ISKCON?

PADA: Yes, tons of "parliamentary mangement meetings," "promises to get things fixed," "many and manifold commissions and committees," but later on it appears -- same mess is still going on. And the main reason the big mess goes on -- and on -- is because, there is no system of checks and balances to get it done properly. 


Yep, another devotee also told me -- the main sound you'd hear around Vrndavana these days is -- passing by cars, and the car, scooter and motorbike horns. How can a person think of Krishna in this environment? Yup! ys pd 

Audio Talk by Bhaktin Monika

PADA: She is right, more devotees need to get the lead out and start making preaching projects. Good idea. Thats for sure what Srila Prabhupada wants. ys pd 

4 Generations of Devotees in China (video)

PADA: There are a few Prabhupadanuga's programs going on over there, and its great to see more progress being made. There was a big scandal over there with the GBC's Umapati swami some years ago, and so we had a few of those alienated people come our way as well. Yep, everywhere we go we find the GBC is promoting their "deviants as acharyas" process and its often creating a backlash, where a number of people then decamp from the GBC's operation, and its making more customers for us. ys pd  

Friday, December 29, 2017

Shanti People / Sita Rama / Music video

Lord Vishnu painting from Dharmavibes

Deena Bandhu Prabhu Health Update

Deena Bandhu Prabhu is admitted to the Parklands Hospital in Durban, South Africa for procedure of stones in his left kidney. The procedure will begin soon. Also his bladder is extremely distended and not functioning properly so the doctor is placing a catheter. Requesting everyone to keep him in your prayers.

[PADA: Updates will be posted on this page as avaiable.] 

Has Ramesvara (Robert Grant) really reformed?

Ramesvara das (Robert Grant): Regardless of your personal opinions, when you publicly express such Vaisnava aparadhas you are all risking your spiritual lives. If you don’t know that you need to research what Srila Prabhupada has said about making such statements. Regardless of whatever you speculate on the mental platform, you cannot find any instruction from Srila Prabhupada that supports Kanistha or Madhyama devotees from writing such things. Sorry but I’m concerned about you and recommend a different forum to address legitimate concerns.

PADA: OK so we should NOT criticize the Radhanath regime because its aparadha / offensive, but isn't this how people got killed -- for criticizing the Radhanath regime in the past? Sulochana said that demonizing us dissenters "paints a bulls eye on our backs -- so that we will maybe be assassinated." Did we forget to mention -- some of Ramesvara's Los Angeles "enforcers" later on told me, they were involved in helping set up Sulochana's murder? OK Ramesvara was working with the New Vrndavana people, according to these folks at least. 

You mean to say -- you GBC's guru folks -- like Ramesvara, are STILL painting bull's eyes on people's backs (to get them killed?) by branding them as offenders (and thus: demons)? Radhanath's regime has all along been supporting enforcers of "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators and / or pedophiles as acharyas." And now they even buried one of their biggest known pedophile acharyas in the holy dham. 

We should not protest these deviations? 

First of all, their GBC's guru program had the "Prabhupada fanatics" shunned, vilified, banned, beaten and killed, and now the Radhanath program is allegedly spending $20,000,000 suing Prabhupada folks in the Delhi Supreme Court to oppress them. Is this all because some "Prabhupada people" will not bow down to Radhanath's "buried pedophiles in Vrndavana samadhi's project"? 

And one important current resident of Vrndavana has just now wrote to tell me that the GBC's gurus cadre are the worst offenders to the holy dham -- in the entire history of the holy dham -- for burying a known sexual predator and criminal deviant there. They said, its like burying dog manure in the holy dham, and then having people worship that dog manure as if it was pure. Agreed! And they said, the day will eventually come when us Vrndavana local folks will rise up and dig up these bogus samadhis and toss the contents into the sewer. Wow!

Anyway, Ramesvara / Robert Grant has been a co-enforcer of the same project, its that simple. So there are people who worship pure devotees and then there are people who place criminal pedophiles in samadhis because they want the world to worship criminal sexual predators as Vrndavana's -- and as the entire world's --- messiahs. And these Ramesvara / Radhanath guys have been the co-creators / goonda enforcers of this project, its that simple. 

Same basic problem we have had with guys like the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad (Paul Coats?) / HKC Jaipur folks. In 1997 hundreds of children were liberated from the GBC's "guru schools," where abuse was apparently still going on. Prominent members of the above team then said that those who liberated these children need to be reported to the GBC's goondas -- so they can have dissenters to this child abuse project -- killed. 

Clear whose side they are on! The GBC's goondas wanted to kill anyone who halted child abuse, and so do these guys, same identical program, same agenda, same methods etc. This is the result of the GBC promoting this process, it spreads.

Which is why some ex-kulis told me, these people's bodies may have left the ISKCON guru program, but their minds clearly have not. Just like a "senior devotee" also began to harass a friend of mine who was getting death threats from the Ramesvara program in the 1980s, some people still think it was not bona fide to oppose this process? Yep! His mind has not left the regime ...

And why is anyone still working hand in glove working with the GBC's gurus or their goondas anyway? Of course, we were merciful to the Dayalu Nitai / HKC Jaipur's folks, we could have reported that death threats were coming to us from people living at their address -- to the police, and created an international criminal investigation incident. Yep, anyone who addresses child abuse has to be banned, exiled, or ... killed? Same idea as the GBC / Radhanath program? That is how these thinkers co-created all these mass molesting programs in the first place.    

Some ex-gurukulis told me that they were in "auschwitz for kids." We should not liberate hundreds of kids from that condition? Recently one of Prahlad's friends tells me he has finally rejected these folks, and he no longer follows the Hitler-anuga process. My ex-kuli friends laughed and said, really? Yes, now there is no need for some of these folks to worship Hitler anymore, because these people want to see children suffering in concentration camps, so they self-evidently take great delight in seeing children suffer terribly from abuse. Thus, they have become another Hitler-type person themselves. One of the former victims said, these folks are even worse than Hitler because they target children for their death camps, at least Hitler targetted any age of person.

Yep! They no longer need to worship Hitler anymore, they have become what they worshiped already: They are another Hitler themselves! These ex-kulis are right! Sulochana said all of these people have been -- tossing children into a wood chipper. And Radhanath was one of the henchman / leaders when all this "auschwitz for kids" program was going on? And did we forget to mention ISKCON had to declare itself bankrupt due to the problems their child abuse process eventually created?  

In sum, there has been this idea that bogus systems of worship, bogus samadhis, bogus acharyas, and abuse of victims of the above process etc. should be allowed, and those who oppose should be contained. And Radhanath has been a part of this process since he was a famous defender of the New Vrndavana criminal program, and he helped bury the New Vrndavana criminal abuser leader in a samadhi. And now Ramesvara comes forward to help defend that same regime, and one of its biggest henchmen ... again! 

Its also amazing that some of the ex-children victims of this regime compare the odious regime to Hitler's regime -- and German death camps etc., and that ANYONE would still defend this regime, whether Ramesvara or his neo-Hitler ilk, its amazing! 

Ramesvara seems to think eventually we will all unite under the banner of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Gauranga. OK but this is the whole problem, people are flocking to Srila Prabhupada, but as soon as they do, they are being shunned, banned, vilified, exiled, sued, harassed, attacked, beaten and sometimes assassinated by the GBC's goonda patrol. When I was on Watseka L.A. I got surrounded by four or five GBC's goonda guys doing the "coyote walk" around me, and the LAPD police came by and told me, you better get out of here, these people want to kill you. 

So as soon as anyone wants to worship Srila Prabhupada and not Radhanath's illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's process, they get sued and the GBC spends $20,000,000 in the Supreme Court to defend their illicit sex acharya's sampradaya. Then, they sue the India printer so we cannot get out our books. Then Ramesvara says, we all need to unite, but where ... in court? Where they will sue us for not worshiping debauchees as our society's acharyas? Meanwhile most devotees can barely pay their rent, while the GBC is apparently spending millions buying new Mercedes for their lawyers, so their lawyers can go out to buy a chicken tikka? Anyway, for Ramesvara to still want us to respect the main henchmen / enforcers of the GBC's guru regime shows, he has not really reformed? Or what! You tell me?

ys pd 


DD: Once I went to Radhanath's page just out of curiosity and guess what, after several posts there I didn't find even one word ''Krsna'', just ''his own philosophy'' thats all. So they are running KC movement without Krsna, isn't this ridiculous? And of course he is distributing his own book instead Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

Bhakti Vikas Swami: “There’s a book […] written by one of the, probably the most popular leaders within ISKCON today –now that book, I can’t help thinking if you’d shown it to Srila Prabhupada he would not have been at all pleased, because there are pictures of all these mayavadis swamis and mundane people,[….] and there is not a bad word about them. 

People that Prabhupada would criticize if he spoke of them at all. [....] And at the end of the book he says that now having come to Prabhupada, now I’m engaged in helping with hospitals, feeding children and eye camps. […]So as I see it, there are serious problems with that […] if anyone reads Radhanath's  book even hundreds of thousands of times, they’d never even get the idea that you’re suppose to surrender to Krishna, that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There is also […] some erotic or almost erotic scenes [….] it’s not the duty of a sannyasi to write about such things. […] I just can’t imagine what Prabhupada’s response would have been if he saw that book, but our movement has changed, and it’s not for the better”. 

(HH Bhakti Vikash Swami, Lecture, 24/8/2011)


Thursday, December 28, 2017

Putrada Ekadasi Dec 29th 2017

Ekadasi story is found here ...

Sunnyvale Ekadasi program Friday December 29th:

Ekadasi kirtan at ISKCON Bangalore 

Funds Request for Plane Ticket

Yashomati Maiya Nandlala Bhajan (Video)

Problems in Kripalu's Vrndavana Organization?

[PADA: I have met some followers of this program here and they appear as quite sincere. I also know a couple that goes to this temple and they are very nice folks.

It seems like there may be often times problems with various temples, ashrams and spiritual society's leaders. They may be motivated and they may be exploiters, but sometimes the followers just come to serve Krishna. Does Krishna accept the service of these sincere people? I cannot say for sure, but we do find that many wonderful devotees were serving Kamsa's regime -- and yet they wanted to serve Krishna in their hearts.

So maybe this is one way Krishna sneaks a few people over to His service through the back door. Heh heh heh. 

Anyway, this is good, we need to suspect people who dress like Krishna and claim to be fully pure beings, right off the bat. At least the Bangalore devotees are gradually building temples and programs there where Srila Prabhupada will be worshiped as the acharya in Vrndavana, thus somehow or other the real idea will be available there in the midst of all these guru / acharya / Krishna / wanna-bes. ys pd]     

Monday, December 25, 2017

Radha Krishna Mantra (Chillout Music) Video

[PADA: Hope you like it! ys pd]

Merry Christmas with a few words from Srila Prabhupada


Who will not respect Jesus Christ? He sacrificed everything for God, even his life. So who is that rascal that he'll not respect to Jesus Christ. What did he do wrong to the human society? He did everything for the good of the human society. Oh, I have got very, very, great respect for Lord Jesus Christ. Not only... Every, I mean to say, God conscious man, he must have respect for Jesus Christ. There is no doubt about it. My Guru Maharaja had very great respect for Muhammad, Jesus Christ...

Srila Prabhupada :: Room Conversation -- June 28, 1974, Melbourne


My Dear Amogha das:

Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated July 16, 1974 with enclosed clippings and the Christian paper Southern Cross. The articles are very nice, and I am very pleased how the Christian community are appreciating our movement. Actually we have no quarrel with them. We accept Lord Jesus Christ as the son of God and he was a great Vaisnava. 

Because he appeared in another country does not mean that we should not offer him respect. If we stick to our principles as I have given you, more and more these priestly class they will come to respect us and appreciate something of our philosophy. Therefore I stress so much the devotional rules and regulations. I very much liked the report of the prasadam distribution at the club for businessmen. 

So I thank you very much for kindly sending me this report. I understand that you are preparing to go to Jakarta for preaching. So just go on as a sincere servant of Krsna, and you will be blessed by Krsna.

I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well wisher, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami



February, 1975 : 75-02-16

Your next question, “Is a pure devotee eternally liberated and if so is he at any time a conditioned soul? We are eternally conditioned, but as soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated? When Lord Christ appeared he seemed to be conditioned in his growth. Was he a specific incarnation or a conditioned soul who became liberated?” 

You are not eternally conditioned. You are eternally liberated but since we have become conditioned on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it appears that we are eternally conditioned. Otherwise the living entity is not actually conditioned. A living entity is always pure. But he is prone to be attracted by material enjoyment and as soon as he agrees to place himself in material enjoyment, he becomes conditioned, but that is not permanent. 

Therefore a living entity is called on the marginal state, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. These are very intelligent questions. And I am very glad that you are putting such intelligent questions and trying to understand it. It is very good. But best thing is that one should know he is in conditioned life and try to cure it. When a man is in diseased condition he should try to get out of diseased condition without harassing his brain when the disease has begun. 

But it is to be understood that the disease is not our constant companion, it is temporary. So the best thing is to cure the disease, and not waste our time to find out the date when it began. Forgetfulness of Krishna is the disease, so let us keep ourselves always in Krishna Consciousness, and get out of the disease, that is healthy life. Yes, Lord Jesus was jivatattva. He is not Visnu tattva. When a jiva tattva becomes specifically empowered by the Lord, he is called saktyavesa avatara. 

Lord Buddha and Lord Jesus Christ were in this group of saktyavesa avatara.. But they were not in conditioned state when they appeared; they came to teach here.


Letters : 1968 Correspondence : November : Letter to: Aniruddha — Los Angeles 14 November, 1968 : 68-11-14

“Jesus Christ was such a great personality–the son of God, the representative of God. He had no fault. Still, he was crucified. He wanted to deliver God consciousness, but in return they crucified him–they were so thankless. They could not appreciate his preaching. But we appreciate him and give him all honor as the representative of God.

Of course, the message that Christ preached was just according to his particular time, place, and country, and just suited for a particular group of people. But certainly he is the representative of God. Therefore we adore Lord Jesus Christ and offer our obeisances to him.

Once, in Melbourne, a group of Christian ministers came to visit me. They asked, “What is your idea of Jesus Christ?” I told them, “He is our guru. He is preaching God consciousness, so he is our spiritual master.” The ministers very much appreciated that.

Actually, anyone who is preaching God’s glories must be accepted as a guru. Jesus Christ is one such great personality. We should not think of him as an ordinary human being. The scriptures say that anyone who considers the spiritual master to be an ordinary man has a hellish mentality. If Jesus Christ were an ordinary man, then he could not have delivered God consciousness.”


Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, Haridasa Thakura was caned in twenty-two marketplaces, and Lord Caitanya’s principal assistant, Nityananda, was violently attacked by Jagai and Madhai. But still they were tolerant because their mission was to deliver the fallen souls. One of the qualifications of a sadhu is that he is very tolerant and is merciful to all fallen souls. He is merciful because he is the well-wisher of all living entities. He is not only a well-wisher of human society, but a well-wisher of animal society as well. 

It is said here, sarva-dehinam, which indicates all living entities who have accepted material bodies. Not only does the human being have a material body, but other living entities, such as cats and dogs, also have material bodies. The devotee of the Lord is merciful to everyone — the cats, dogs, trees, etc. He treats all living entities in such a way that they can ultimately get salvation from this material entanglement. 

Sivananda Sena, one of the disciples of Lord Caitanya, gave liberation to a dog by treating the dog transcendentally. There are many instances where a dog got salvation by association with a sadhu, because a sadhu engages in the highest philanthropic activities for the benediction of all living entities. Yet although a sadhu is not inimical towards anyone, the world is so ungrateful that even a sadhu has many enemies. (SB 3)


"Regarding the Christmas Day meal with your family, I do not think you should partake of the food prepared by non-devotees. Better you should prepare your own foodstuffs and offer to Krishna and then, if you like, you may offer these remnants to Lord Jesus. I think that Lord Jesus will also appreciate this. Of course you may sit down with your family and take fruits and milk which they offer but rather than taking the foods which they have prepared, you may prepare and offer your own prasadam for Lord Krishna, and then offer the same to Lord Jesus."

Letter to: Hrsikesa
Los Angeles
26 November, 1968


Now these Christmas holidays you have begun in your country. Throughout the whole month of December you'll observe nice festivals, festivities. Why? Where it began? God consciousness. Lord Christ he came to give you God consciousness, and in his relationship these festivities are going on. It may be degraded in another form. The beginning is God consciousness, but we have lost it. So people cannot be happy without reviving God consciousness."

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 2.2.5

Los Angeles, December 2, 1968


Prabhupada: Christian religion is practically, from the name it appears – ‘Christian’ and ‘Krsnian’. Original word of this ‘Christ’ comes from the Greek word ‘Kristo’.

Dr. Weir: Anointed.

Prabhupada: Yes. This ‘Christa’ is Krsna.

Dr. Weir: From the Sanskrit?

Prabhupada: Yes. Krsta is the popular word for Krsna. And Krsna is always anointed with tilaka. We follow this, tilaka, Krsna, anointed with this sandal pulp. So, so far I think, there is some very near relationship with this ‘Christian’ and ‘Krsnia’. Krsta means ‘love’, love of Godhead or love.” 

(Room Conversation, September 4, 1971, London).


Father Emmanuel: I think Jesus, as the son of God, has revealed to us the actual name of God: Christ. We can call God ‘Father’, but if we want to address Him by His actual name, we have to say ‘Christ’.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. ‘Christ’ is another way of saying Krsta, and ‘Krsta’ is another way of pronouncing the name of God, Krsna. Jesus said that one should glorify the name of God, but yesterday I heard one theologian say that God has no name-that we can call Him only "Father." A son may call his father ‘Father’, but the father also has a specific name. Similarly, ‘God’ is the general name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose specific name is Krsna. Therefore whether you call God ‘Christ’, ‘Krsta’ or ‘Krsna’, ultimately you are addressing the same Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Father Emmanuel: Yes, if we speak of God's actual name, then we must say, "Christos." In our religion, we have the Trinity: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe we can know the name of God only by revelation from the Son of God. Jesus Christ revealed the name of the father, and therefore we take the name Christ as the revealed name of God.

Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn't matter – Krsna or Christ – the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.” 

(Science of Self Realization, Chapter 4).


“Yes. Krsna means ‘the supreme lover and beloved’. He attracts everyone. There is one Greek word, krista. The meaning is the same, ‘love.’ And from this Krista, the word Christ has come. So this word Christ also has connection with Krsna.” 

(April 13, 1975 Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture)


“nr-deham adyam su-labham su-durlabham
plavan su-kalpan guru-karnadharam
mayanukulena nabhasvateritam
puman bhavabdhim na taret sa atma-ha

The human body, which can award all benefit in life, is automatically obtained by the laws of nature, although it is a very rare achievement. This human body can be compared to a perfectly constructed boat having the spiritual master as the captain and the instructions of the Personality of Godhead as favorable winds impelling it on its course. Considering all these advantages, a human being who does not utilize his human life to cross the ocean of material existence must be considered the killer of his own soul.” 


Power of the holy name of God:

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.20.17)]

“Ajamila was a resident of Kanyakubja (the modern Kanauj). He was trained by his parents to become a perfect brahmana by studying the Vedas and following the regulative principles, but because of his past, this youthful brahmana was somehow attracted by a prostitute, and because of her association he became most fallen and abandoned all regulative principles. Ajamila begot in the womb of the prostitute ten sons, the last of whom was called Narayana. 

At the time of Ajamila's death, when the order carriers of Yamaraja came to take him, he loudly called the name Narayana in fear because he was attached to his youngest son. Thus he remembered the original Narayana, Lord Visnu. Although he did not chant the holy name of Narayana completely offenselessly, it acted nevertheless. As soon as he chanted the holy name of Narayana, the order carriers of Lord Visnu immediately appeared on the scene. 

A discussion ensued between the order carriers of Lord Visnu and those of Yamaraja, and by hearing that discussion Ajamila was liberated. He could then understand the bad effect of fruitive activities and could also understand how exalted is the process of devotional service.” 

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1 )


Sunday, December 24, 2017

We wish you a Merry Krishna Christmas (Video)

GBC / Hanuman / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna's / Revised Gita

Bhakta Torben Dec 20, 2017 — DENMARK —

The effect of the authorized 1972 edition of Bhagavad-gita As It Is - We have sold millions of copies of this edition of Bhagavad-gita.

"Now, this parampara system being lost, I am again reviving the Bhagavad-gita again to you, Arjuna."

That means the author says if one does not understand Bhagavad-gita through the parampara system, then the whole thing is lost. So you cannot interpret Bhagavad-gita in your own way. Then the authority and the purport of Bhagavad-gita is lost. So we are trying to revive this parampara system, and fortunately we have sold millions copies of this edition of Bhagavad-gita. We are printing five hundred thousand, three hundred thousand, like that, and all over the world.

There are many Bhagavad-gitas. There are about six hundred and forty different editions. But still our, this Bhagavad-gita As It Is, it is being accepted very widely, and therefore we are very much hopeful. And as practical example you can see so many European, American, they have taken to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness very seriously. And before this movement, many svamis, yogis and scholars went to the foreign countries, but not a single person became a devotee of Krsna. That's a fact. Not a single person.

But now, because Bhagavad-gita is being presented as it is, so many thousands, they are becoming devotees of Krsna, Krsna consciousness. So this movement has practical effect, and both in the scholarly and people in general circle." (Srila Prabhupada, Chandigarh, 1976)

The present day fabricated "ISKCON" has drastically and without authorization changed this authorized Bhagavad-gita As It Is, inside and out. It is a proven fact and the evidence is there for everyone to study. Thereby the very parampara Srila Prabhupada here announced the restoration of has again been breached. Very sad. If the reader thinks this is a fanatical exaggeration, he or she is advised to check it out.


PADA: Correct. Very sad to say that the GBC / Hanuman Croatia / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Kim Moller etc. team have "breached the paramara list in the Gita" and they want to add all sorts of names of conditioned beings to list. The good news is that PADA -- along with many other devotees, and of course the police, the FBI, the courts, the media etc. have helped chop down their changed list by pointing out various defects in the names they wanted added to the list.

And despite they say that the list of acharyas given in the 1972 Bhagavad Gita is totally bogus, because some alleged new or other acharya's names need to be added to the 1972 list, they are losing traction thanks in no small part to our exposing the names "added to the list" as -- bogus additions. These people are re-writing the Gita just as much as the bogus GBC is, by attempting adding names to the parampara that do not exist in the actual original book. 

Who authorized these people to change the parampara list given in the Gita? 

Worse, some of them say its "ritvik poison" to accept the list of gurus in the Gita, we need to accept the fools they want added to that list. Right, they want to re-write the book just as badly as the Jayadvaita team does. And these new acharyas will be added to the Gita list by whose authority? Theirs? They are in charge of the paramara? They will add to the list, these speculative re-writers of the Gita? Of course, they think they are the authorized gate keepers of the parampara, just like Jayadvaita does! Who authorized them to re-write the Gita's list of acharyas? No one!

They are saying (A) the GBC is bogus to change the Gita therefore (B) the GBC / Rocana / Toben team are going to do the same thing, they are like the GBC, the exclusive authorized agents to re-write the Gita. The GBC is going to supervise the parampara, and so are these guys? 

Of course the good news is, since members of their previously ad hoc revised (and again and again revised) "guru lists" have often proven to be debauchees, deviants, criminals, sexual predators, Vodka drinkers, pill poppers and so on, nowadays they generally do not give the actual names of their "new acharya's" Gita parampara list nowadays. We exposed the names of these newly added names as unauthorized additions.

Yep! They wanted to add their next acharya's names to the Gita list, but since PADA defeated and exposed the names of their previously listed gurus already -- [the ones they previously came up with] -- nowadays they just say "we have to worship the NEXT acharya ON THE LIST, but we cannot identify him, he is the phantom messiah, and he is out there somewhere (maybe)." Or maybe not? OK speculation. 

So now its pretty much them saying, the 1972 Gita is bogus, there are many more acharyas added to the Gita acharya's list, but since we are mayavadas, we cannot even name the actual persons we are adding to the list. Meanwhile, did we forget to mention, part of their new list of bogus acharyas contains the names of the exact same GBC's group of people who are busy at work chopping and changing the 1972 Gita, and other of Srila Prabhupada's works, and / or authorizing / facilitating / enabling / financing the people making these book changes? So they are saying anyone who changes the Gita is a demon, and they are at the top of the list of people making these changes themselves. 

Did we forget to mention the acharyas they added to the parampara list have made horrific publicity for Krishna, and they have made it very hard to even preach at all under their acharya's dark cloud of scams, scandals and crimes?

ys pd

Saturday, December 23, 2017

Madhuram Astakam (Hari Vallabha Video)

Hollywood Actor Will Smith Reading Gita

Top Ten Stories of the day December 23 2017

Deity Worship Manual / Arcana Paddhati (PDF)

[PADA: This was perhaps the main "deity manual" used in ISKCON prior to 1977. Of course in 1978 I got into trouble as soon as I complained that we are deviating from this book's standards, and thus we cannot offer bhogha to the GBC's conditioned soul bogus acharyas. So, that was the first rattle out of the box in 1978, they changed the process of deity worship of Krishna: we now had to offer bhogha to their conditioned souls / contaminated beings / posing as acharyas. 

Not a good idea! 

This book seems to be a pretty good reference, but if anyone has seen known errors / corrections / needed additions in this book please send them to and we can add corrections to this posting herein on this page. We'd also appreciate if people could make videos of the complete deity worship process, marriages, ritvik fire sacrifices etc. along with all the required paraphernalia and so forth, as training tools to teach others. ys pd] 

Friday, December 22, 2017

Deadliest Decade / The Krishna Killers / ID show (video)

[PADA: Yep, this is what folks like me and Sulochana were up against in the 1980s. Pretty heavy handed opponents, all being enabled, promoted and guided by the GBC, self-advertised "ultimate managers of ISKCON." A number of people have told me, its amazing you survived opposing these folks, its a miracle you were not killed as well. True dat! ys pd

New York Times: Brooklyn Hare Krishna Temple's Reckoning

[PADA: Yep, what we said all along was -- its all about making false gurus; which disgusts the congregation; and thus makes a huge exodus which depletes the congregations down to a minimal staff. Some temples were later on apparently getting a bunch of SSI people and relying on their "crazy pay" to help fund their program. And that made some temples even less attractive. Sulochana called their program "scortched earth." We either had to surrender to their false gurus, or leave, and most would choose to leave -- as happened, and is still happening.  

That the temples were gradually being purged of manpower by whacked out gurus was well known all along to almost everyone, including the GBC's leaders. Its what Lokanath swami also said in 1988, the ISKCON temples are becoming ghost towns. He asked, where did all the devotees go? Then the GBC switched gears to making the temples into "Hindu Community Halls." OK, which is what Srila Prabhupada warned them NOT to do.

And then, after the GBC thins down the congregations, it might come to the point that the temple is barely viable financially. After removing the congregations, sometimes moving out the deities, then their next process is closing temples and selling the buildings. Then ... there was also the Windle Turley abuse lawsuit, where ISKCON assets were being siphoned off to other charities to avoid having ISKCON pay for that Dallas court case. 

Meanwhile, the GBC still says they are "the ultimate managers of ISKCON." Really? You call this managing? You "managed" to drive the Titanic into the iceberg, and destroy the nice wonderful ISKCON ship and essentially kill off most of its passengers. Anyway, the fact that the GBC guru process is failing is public news for decades already, and now its being made even more publicly known, that's all. Their program of making bogus messiahs has failed, lets face it. And its just another case in point of this process being exposed, once again, in public. ys pd]

Tuesday, December 19, 2017

The Voice / O Holy Night / Brooke Simpson / Video

Discussing "Investigation Discovery" TV show

The Monday night New Vrndavana show about the murders will eventually be archived here:

Last night there was another TV show in USA (Investigation Discovery Channel) about how the GBC's "acharya" Swami Kirtanananda was apparently molesting children and he had people murdered for objecting to this program. Yet now the GBC has buried him in Vrndavana as a samadhi acharya? 

Why is the GBC burying known sexual predators, and criminals, in the holy dham? This is an offense to the dham. Why are folks like Badrinarayan, Indradyumna etc. participating in this aparadhi sabha? The GBC is still teaching children that Krishna's successor acharyas are often debauchees, they are destroying their spiritual lives. They are corrupting the morals of minors. Srila Prabhupada says people who preach that acharyas are often deviants are going to the lowest regions of hell, and they are. 


CH: I believe that almost all the adults living in New Vrindavan from 1983 to 1985 where well aware that Cakradhari was murdered and who did it. But being brainwashed and foolish they all thought it was OK and authorized by their Savior because of his so called rape of another man’s wife. If just one of several hundred people did the right thing and came forward, then the murder that occurred in May 1986 of Steve Bryant would’ve never happened. I’m not just speculating I have good reasons to believe that many people knew and no one will admit it.

JS: TIRTHA said Radhanath Swami's prints were on the bills as well, as in "counted every bill" prints on them, but TIRTHA lied to me often in the past, so I really don't know.

MT: I think its weird that they killed Charles St. Denis just because he was sleeping around.

JS: Tirtha was paid, it was over $5000. To TIRTHA $5K was 'riches."

Henry: As noted in the documentary last night, Drescher claimed that KS wanted Chuck dead because he was spreading rumors that KS was having sexual relations with some of the illegal Mexican laborers (many homosexual) whom Hayagriva had recruited during his trips to Mexico at parties, I think at the Petit House or the Frazier house where the Mexicans lived at the time.

JS: I had to drill a well at LAKE VISHVADIKA when HAYAGRIVA was living over there with a van load of boys he brought home one spring. HAYAGRIVA went south most winters. I did not know about him and the workers, but now, it makes more sense. I never knew factually until HARI VENU told me the TRUTH and that was in 1994 or '95. DUH???

Henry: Chuck St. Denis used to sell drugs to Hayagriva / Howard Wheeler, and I think, sometimes they'd party together. When Howard had a little too much to drink, he told Chuck about Kirtanananda's exploits at parties with the Mexican laborers. Howard was extremely proud of the young Mexicans, and called them his “Treasure of the Sierra Madre.”

PADA: Yes that was also something Sulochana was saying. KS was too much close to the young boys ...

Henry: Chuck loved Bhaktipada and regarded him as a pure devotee. When he heard from a reliable source (Hayagriva) that KS was enjoying sex and breaking his sannyasa vows, he was hurt and angry and confronted Bhaktipada himself in public. Others were there. That spelled the end of Chuck's welcome at NV. 

PADA: And lead to his demise?

JS: Many devotees joined with little or no high school or training, just street urchins in waiting.

PADA: What about Taru's apparent murder?

MT: Yes where is he and why was he killed?

PADA: He was protesting the KS regime, then he disappeared ...

JS: Ask KASYAPA or SWAMI JOE MURARI. They can walk you to the corpse site.

MT: RIP Taru.

JS: He was A GEM!!!

MT: Was this missing person Taru ever investigated?

JS: Gone cold case ...


JS: KASYAPA would go to prison for using the backhoe to bury the body ...


Thanks prabhu. Yes me and Sulochana had little help, back up and / or resources. I was driving a taxi, and using some of the money for printing my own stuff and giving Sulochana donations for food, gas, clothes and printing his pamphlets. Sulochana had a microfiche of the letters and we were printing and distributing. No one else had these letters. We were operating on the thinnest of shoestrings on all levels. 

Yes, in 1986 the New Vrndavana folks complained that me and Sulochana were "fringies" and bums, living on the cheap, while their gurus lived like millionaires. They said we should "get better (karmi) jobs," and quit causing problems. Does anyone believe that criticism now? Well no, most people now believe we did a valuable service getting out the letters, the will, the appointment tape and other important quotes. Of course Sulochana's murder shook down the whole society and put a huge torpedo hole in the hull of the "living guru's" program's ship. 

Never mind later the GBC was sued for changing the books, sued for molesting, and then we brought out the poison tapes. So we have gone a long way on our fringie bum's income, hee hee! And did we forget to mention that some former children from New Vrndavana thanked me for helping get them out of there in 1997, they said there were still major problems with young people being exploited STILL going on even then. A few of them even told me, their lives were saved by our getting them out of there.    

Today only a few Kirtanananda program lovers like some die-hard GBC's folks, and their clones like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks, still complain that me and Sulochana are basically demons for using a taxi driver's income to oppose Kirtananda's molesting and murdering regime. They say that taxi driving is sinful since it moves around pizzas, and sometimes maybe meat in people's groceries, and of course prostitutes, drug dealers and who knows what, so its not a good income. Yep! That means they are saying Jayananda is a demon. 

Therefore! Me and Sulochana should drop everything we are doing, let the molester messiah's program go on unchallenged, and go to college to get a better job. Exactly what New Vrndavana people said to us in 1986! That means all these folks wanted the banning, beating, molesting and murders to have no check and balance whatsoever, exactly what Kirtanananda and all his crooks and molesters wanted! Birds of a feather? 

A ex-gurukuli told me we should make a worship shrine at that Taxi company and make that a sacred place, because they funded the effort to unseat some of these big rascal false acharyas and take down their criminal empires. And this alone saved many hundreds or maybe thousands of more children getting victimized (like this ex-kuli). 

Sulochana was interviewing exploited ladies and he was also honing in on the molesting issue, and some of these big gurus knew this might be a huge problem eventually. And it was, the GBC were later on sued for the abuse issue. Sulochana said we are sort of like David vs Goliath, we do not have a very strong position, but we do have the truth, and this will come out eventually, and it has.   

ys pd

Monday, December 18, 2017

Srila Prabhupada defeats the Hitler-anugas

Crow consciousness?

PADA: Looking at a few quotes we can find below that Srila Prabhupada clearly criticized Hitler in at many places. We can see that his many quotes criticizing Hitler are much much greater than allegedly supporting Hitler.

"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."

(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)

[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise. 

Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does? 

Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?     

Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men. 

Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?] 

"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?

Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things! 

As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]

"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."

(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)

[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on. 

In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected. 

Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world? 

Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]

"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection." 

"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."

(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)

[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]

"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.

(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)

[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]

"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war. 

Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)

[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]

"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. 

Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()

Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself? 

Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness. 

Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]  

Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted. 

Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.

(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)

[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]

Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.

Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"

Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.

(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)

"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything. 

The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still. 

God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.

(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)

Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.

(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]

"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)

[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]