tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24785894173487746862024-03-18T18:46:32.621-07:00krishna1008Hare Krishna newskrishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.comBlogger11067125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-86082620981364214682024-03-18T18:45:00.000-07:002024-03-18T18:45:56.915-07:00ISKCON's "Victim Therapy" / Rambhouru / Karuna Care VIDEO 03 18 24<p> </p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5ug7NAo3vMk?si=uZZvE9kSpsikUubq" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-63084999225155069602024-03-18T12:44:00.000-07:002024-03-18T12:46:32.077-07:00GBC Resignations / Krishna Kirtan / Hansadutta Speaks 03 18 24<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuUPQpd584uUVZ7HLr7sJ56ta3ESkYE6T6K4R1WBHLx0VxQOe7B3N0y2SMrLO3plz9FcYFjD-cKgd4xnrBg3b1qlcS7wLlbvU-PffioJywztahu3RQegVFFLM_AN_rpSwmnfNTa1f2-q-7gmK1eZ88Cfrbzkmcb_CN84mw76uixQf_QkK44rZ91GEPT84r/s1566/resignations.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1566" data-original-width="1284" height="536" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhuUPQpd584uUVZ7HLr7sJ56ta3ESkYE6T6K4R1WBHLx0VxQOe7B3N0y2SMrLO3plz9FcYFjD-cKgd4xnrBg3b1qlcS7wLlbvU-PffioJywztahu3RQegVFFLM_AN_rpSwmnfNTa1f2-q-7gmK1eZ88Cfrbzkmcb_CN84mw76uixQf_QkK44rZ91GEPT84r/w439-h536/resignations.jpg" width="439" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;">ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC)</span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />March 15 at 10:50 PM <br /><br />The following GBC members offered their resignation from GBC services - Bhakti-bhusana Swami, Bhakti Marg Swami, Malati Devi, Niranjana Swami and Radhanath Swami. The members voted in favor of accepting the resignations, and as a result, their resignations were officially accepted.<br /><br />Hare Krishna.<br /><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: The GBC folks keep resigning left, right and center, and leaving behind the giant mess they have created for ISKCON and its citizens. A temple president was recently talking to my friend confidentially. And the president admits that Radhanath had a lot to do with the New Vrndavana molesting empire, and he was friends with many of the people in the Mayapur molesting empire, Vrndavana molesting empire etc. In other words, he has supported a lot of corruption and even programs that harm children, and many people know that. </span></span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The temple president said -- as each molesting victim -- or other victims -- come forward, it is another example of GBC mis-managing that they cannot deny. And so it is "GBC death by a thousand cuts." Then they resign to try to protect themselves legally, while keeping their stolen money or even continuing on as gurus "in their own zone" or in their own separated guru spin off empires. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">These folks agreed -- the GBC has no fix for current ISKCON, nor did they ever want ISKCON to be fixed. They continued the status quo as long as they could, evidently so they could pack away funds as much as possible, so when they do leave, they will have a big nest egg retirement package. I think all that makes sense. ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=======</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Correct, the Krishna Kirtan advertised by Prabhupadanuga EU is a follower of Krishna Balaram swami, a self advertised acharya. We heard that he was complaining about the child abuse in Vrndavana way back in the early 1980s, but he did not take corrective action that we ever heard of. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Krishna Kirtan also says he too was a victim of mistreatment. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Yet neither Krishna Balarama swami, Krishna Kirtan, or his parents, ever took these issues to the police that we know of, nor did they make this problem known to many other parents whose kids were still in there that we know of. And that is why a lot of parents told me, "we did not know." Well yeah, because these people have been covering up for the regime. And that is self evidently why Prabhupadanuga EU promotes these cover ups and worshipers of bogus acharyas. They are a team. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And someone else told me, Krishna Balaram swami says we can only advance to prefection when we are born in India. And Prabhupanuga EU is promoting Third Reich-ism birther-ism. So they are both racists, and no wonder they are combining efforts. And in both cases, they failed to help the children of ISKCON, and they attacked the people who did help the children, to help their regime pals. Birds of a feather. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></div><div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">HANSADUTTA SPEAKS:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>YOU EITHER EMBRACE SRILA PRABHUPADA IN YOUR HEART EXCLUSIVELY, EXCLUDING ALL OTHER OPINIONS, OR EMBRACE THE OPINIONS OF THE GURUS VOTED BY A COMMITTEE, MAYAVADIS, SAHAJIYAS, IMPERSONALISTS AND OTHER MENTAL SPECULATORS.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Ritvik initiation ceremony was conducted routinely for many years on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. Why would Srila Prabhupada have to formulate a letter instructing me and 10 others to perform ritviks initiations that we all had been doing for years? The only reason would be to formalise and fix us to continue after his departure. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">His departure was an obvious fact, his instructions by a formal letter, indicating specific personalities, were clear. There is no letter where Prabhupada points to any disciple who takes on the responsibility of being a GURU.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Prabhupada used to say, “You can say anything, but don’t put it in writing.”. That makes it a legal document.” What Prabhupada said in a conversation is just that. A conversation. What was written are legal documents.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">What is at stake here is not the rhetoric or mental speculation of the VOTED in GURUS; rather, it is your conviction and loyalty to Prabhupada, because without that, you cannot convince anyone of Prabhupada or Krishna Consciousness. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Because Krishna Consciousness flows from Prabhupada the person, NOT from ISKCON the INSTITUTION. “It is the king who makes the kingdom”, not the kingdom who makes the king. Srila Prabhupada is the foundation, the creator of ISKCON, not ISKCON is the creator of Prabhupada. You have to invest your whole heart and soul into Prabhupada's PERSON, then ISKCON's Validity, Authenticity and Power will be clearly visible to you. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">You will not recognise or determine the MEANING and INTENTION of Prabhupada by conducting an OPINION POLL inside ISKCON. You and Prabhupada are in front of each other. You need to get in line. You can't get Prabhupada arming yourself with OTHERS OPINION. You are alone and you are responsible for your OWN DELIVERY. Its you and Srila Prabhupada.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />The ocean leaves plenty of room for non-stop paddling, but genuine and experienced sailors always maintain their course by gazing at the constant NORTH STAR (or Polar). This way, every experienced Sailor/DEVOTEE, anywhere in any ocean in the world, knows exactly where they are and how to proceed to their destination. Why are you so interested in “most devotees” and karmis?. You have to be first of all interested in your own and “true orientation towards Srila Prabhupada”. If that's not established in your heart, YOU CANNOT do good to anyone, NOT EVEN YOURSELF.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />You have to remember that Krishna, after explaining in detail several philosophies: karma yoga, morning yoga, astanga yoga, sankhya yoga, the three modalities of nature, the divine and demonic natures, the qualities of the four orders of the varnas and ashrams, the universal form, bhakti yoga and etc , finally concludes this eloquent summary of all philosophy, thought and Vedic analysis saying to Arjuna (His devotee and friend): Abandon all dharma and simply do what I tell you. Just give yourself to Me and I will protect you.... don't worry, don't be afraid. "If there's any fault or problem, I'll take care of it."</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />But after 5,000 years of reading the Bhagavad-gita, the whole world, including India, has yet to grasp this final conclusion of Krishna's instructions. Sarva dharmam parityajya: “Forget all your DHARMA and all your formulas, traditions, rituals and procedures.”. Just give yourself to Me. I will protect you from every sinful reaction. DON'T FEAR IT. "Who has understood this conclusive order????. Almost NOBODY.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />So even when Srila Prabhupada spent ten years travelling, preaching, writing 60 volumes of books, building temples, farming communities, recruiting thousands of devotees, meeting dignitaries, pop stars, etc., no one can understand, or NO ONE wants to understand his FINAL ORDER, his final prescription for his disciples and the world, because the heart is filled with ambition to be a GURU-ACHARYA similar to or better than Prabhupada.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />So he presented himself so that everyone could have his cake and eat it too. Prabhupada's instructions are actually CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, but if one's heart is not CLEAR AS CRYSTER, you cannot see, hear or embrace what is CLEAR AS CRYstals. Therefore there is Chaos, Confusion and Ignorance. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Ignorance does not mean something is unknown or not understood. Ignorance means I know the fact, but I WILLINGLY ignore it. Like a man who knows he should completely stop at a red light, but believing they don't see it, he doesn't stop and passes the red light without stopping. So ambition looks like this. Lust: "must get it...." "I want to be a guru." The polluted heart will find all sorts of REASONS, LOGIC, ARGUMENTS and SUPREME AUTHORITY to complement and support its ambitious and lustful desires.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />There is no room for bad interpretation; there is only room for DEMONSTRATION. Let's see a demonstration of SPIRITUAL POWER. Lets see what someone CAN DO. It's not about interpreting the presence of the sun; it's SELF-EVIDENCE.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NO, there is no room for bad interpretations. It's a matter of PRACTICAL DEMONSTRATION. Prabhupada has led the example. He used to say, "Do what I do." So who doing what HE DID??? He was a single guru. In 10 years set the world on fire with Krishna Consciousness. So who has even come close by lighting a match in the dark? What's the use of NAMING STRAYERS? When Bhaktisiddhanta was asked: "Who would be the next Acharya?". "he replied: ""The Acharya is SELF-REFULGENT, HE CANNOT be appointed.""". [Prabhupada recalls this in a letter to Rupanuga, dated April 28, 1974]</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">You want bureaucracy, you want formulas, rituals, procedures; but we need substance: "SHOW ME THE MONEY". Why not see things as they are? We can see what Prabhupada did. WE CANNOT SEE WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE. Hundreds of Gurus, so have there been HUNDREDS MORE?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Do you think building a system will produce BETTER RESULTS?. No system will replace the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.<br />Your humble servant ,<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Hansadutta das</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><br /></div></div></div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Celebrate the appearance day of the most munificent incarnation of the Supreme Lord, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Join us for the grand festivities from 6 PM onwards on March 25, 2024.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavanchandrodayamandir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavanchandrodayamandir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vcm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vcm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/iskcon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#iskcon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/krishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#krishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/radha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#radha</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/radhekrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#radhekrishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/celebrate?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#celebrate</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/appearances?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#appearances</a> <a href="https://t.co/mIkCj1o5G2">pic.twitter.com/mIkCj1o5G2</a></p>— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1769703247776751754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-31752248153122724752024-03-17T20:16:00.000-07:002024-03-17T20:16:20.726-07:00Sri Radhe Back Story / Polly Imbroglio / KK Das Writes / Kalakantha 03 17 24<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieM5OmN-MHOvbApLrs2HDSgmCzfzT-WJXa7uhkmSdiXqe1e6KoZc8CspTut0hDMhSQN0oGxjOKYjb19NhB0bL9JV0eQ-_ppNluP2QOHnlo-jnouFikoLFRFkG0hLIjodOfEqwGCp_ZwAuNYi09pxihq-ZSlj02f082YHEUY8SA6k_ifZZafQHTsQX5N31O/s1024/431559039_3329971380644595_7579437404521121056_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="404" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEieM5OmN-MHOvbApLrs2HDSgmCzfzT-WJXa7uhkmSdiXqe1e6KoZc8CspTut0hDMhSQN0oGxjOKYjb19NhB0bL9JV0eQ-_ppNluP2QOHnlo-jnouFikoLFRFkG0hLIjodOfEqwGCp_ZwAuNYi09pxihq-ZSlj02f082YHEUY8SA6k_ifZZafQHTsQX5N31O/w404-h404/431559039_3329971380644595_7579437404521121056_n.jpg" width="404" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /><br />Namaste and Pranams Prabhu,<br /><br /></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">First of all, I'll like to stay anonymous for obvious reasons. I'm ex fiskcon. Born and bred in Eastern Europe. Joined fiskcon in early 90's. I was still in highschool at that time. Completed my education while already living in ashram. Almost instantly I've become leading sankirtana devotee. Got initiated by ids in '93. My only sister got initiated a year later also by ids, same goes to my brother in law. We've disassociate ourselves from the society many years ago.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Now, in 1994 I've moved to Bharat. Within two months I was already a personal secretary to bvks in Vadodara / Baroda. As well as ids whenever he was in Bharat. Basically I was serving both of them as a personal servant for next few years.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">In due course of time my understanding of what's really goes in a society got radically upgraded. I'm sure I could share some stories with you Prabhu. Even tough I have no interest in fiskcon that much, I admire your courage for fighting these folks. (Kindly note I've met personally with Henry Doktorski. He gave me several copies of "killing for Krishna" books to gave away to another ex fiskcon folks).<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Later ids took me on tour. India - south Africa - Australia - new Zealand. (Then reverse back to India). It was during our stay in Durban, I went to get some items for morning puja for ids (pujari kitchen was a distance from sannyasis room) . However as a ex footballer I run back and forth very fast and upon my returning I was absolutely shocked!!! There was a ids standing and giving bear hug to.......young Sri Radhe (same lady was expelled from mayapur recently, as per your blog).</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Radhe was and is very attractive girl. She was a young teen with (forgive my language) large, perky breasts. It was very shocking for me to see both of them in that position. Upon my arrival they separated and looked embarrassed, the least. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">I remember that a day before Radhes aunty spoke with ids complaining that she is only coming to temple whenever ids is there. Otherwise she is going clubbing and hunting for boys in a night clubs, wearing mini skirt and skimpy tops, exposing her large chest. What next ids did? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">He got her tickets for polish summer tour!! Same day my god sister approached me (she was ids, brahmana discipline) and asked me how is that gurudev is buying tickets for not even initiated disciple? And she as a senior disciple had to sell hong Kong paintings if she wanted to visit polish tour? I did not know what to tell her.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />You know what was the difference, Prabhu? Very simple and scary reason. Brahmana disciple was, NOT attractive physically. Some would say, she was ugly. (Not my opinion, just saying so you could get the idea). .....and then comes Radhe, little apsara like girl! Stunningly beautiful! So she gets the tickets.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Anyway, I hope I could share more stories in a future. Kindly keep me anonymous.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=======</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: There are a number of ex-children like Polly Woodward who seem to have distorted memories of things. But they do remember that horrible things did happen to them and other gurukula children, which regular secular children do not recall. So clearly something awful did happen to them, and others. Some of the ex-children recall for example Satanic ceremony scenes and so on and so forth, which has never been verified. </span></span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The main point to me is, some terrible trauma did happen to these kids, and they are suffering severe trauma from it, and for sure that is a fact. And regular secular kids never complain about these things, because they have had a much better situation. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">One victim is writing letters to the GBC three times a day, and she copies me on her writings. So she is very depressed and obsessed with the situation. Something happened to this person, and it was evil. How evil was it ??? could be argued one way or other. I just had a dream I was going incognito to a temple and I was behind a pillar when two ladies came in and they were talking confidentially -- so I did not reveal myself to let them express themselves and "get it off their chest." </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And one of the ladies was telling the other, "I think taking my life is the only way out for me." I think this dream has happened in real life for a number of victims. So there is a lot of trauma going on here, and it almost seems like it is what a lot of devotees are in denial about. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Gaura Govinda Maharaja admitted to me he knows that ISKCON is promoting the worship of homos and pedos as Vishnupada acharyas, and he told me Kali Yuga has entered the highest places in ISKCON. So that means he knew that thousands of ISKCON children were being forced to worship these homos, pedos, dope heads and other deviants -- as their Vishnupada links to God, and that is severe psychological child mistreatment right out of the gate. And it will produce trauma in those children victims eventually, and no one should have been surprised when that happened. I think Polly is another victim of these people. I am just glad she survived. ys pd</span><br /><br />=================<br /><br />WAKE UP, DEAR BLIND, FANATICAL, DELIRIOUS VICTIMS OF MOST CUNNING DECEIT..AND DO NOT LIVE AS SHEEPS AND GOATS FOR SLAUGHTER..!!!<br /><br />IN THE ORIGINAL GAUDIYA VAISNAVISM THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS: INITIATION BY UNQUALIFIED "GURU" AND RE-INITIATION..!!!<br /><br />KK Dasa<br /><br />In recent days I’ve been asked a few times about what kind of relationship I have with my spiritual master. Readers see my posts and wonder. Without going into details on personal relationships, I’ll say what I don’t do, that others disciples do.<br /><br />First of all, I’ve had two fallen gurus previously. To fit into the system, I was initiated a third time as a number of devotees of my generation did. We’re talking of ex-Jayatirtha disciples and former disciples of other zonal acaryas – thousands of them.<br /><br />I’ve seen it all before. Fanatical guru worship. Over-glorification of the guru. Starry-eyed guru-personality hype among disciples. The fervour for guru-maharaja this, guru-maharaja that and guru-maharaja everything. The pressure to prove how dedicated one is to the guru. The lack of privacy and confidentiality among disciples and guru and so on.<br /><br />I refuse to be a part of cult-like behaviour. I’m not one of those fawning disciples. I keep a respectful distance. Why should I fall for it again, and again? No thanks.<br /><br />After taking initiation for a third time, I’m told by Prabhupada disciples that all this re-initiation is unnecessary. Yeah, they would say that now. This fiasco is a farce. Guru-tattva in ISKCON is a shambles. It has messed up the lives of so many sincere seekers. I’m feeling some anger as I write on this point. I’m tempted to write an expletive. And you want me to still be an obedient, sold-out institutional stooge?<br /><br />Doing away with the above mess, a simple heart-to-heart connection is good enough for me. Giriraj Swami is one of my Facebook friends and I don’t hide my thoughts in my posts. Last time I spoke with him was for nearly three hours on Skype a couple of years ago. I’m aware that some sannyasis have or had friends who are known abusers and who publicly choose inaction on abuse. I watch all this. Again, I keep a distance. The essence is what I seek without all pompous external guru formalities. That’s me.<br /><br />Ys KK Dasa.<br /><br />=================<br /><br /><br />“TESTIMONIES & EVIDENCE ON MISSING TAPE RECORDINGS (Cont.)-SEVEN:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TESTIMONY FROM MEXICAN GURUKULA STUDENT -In Ch. 52 we saw how Bhakta Vatsala das, a Mexican Gurukula student about 13 years old in 1977, had found two cassette tapes under Srila Prabhupada’s mattress just after his departure. Bhakta Vatsala helped with cleaning Srila Prabhupada’s quarters almost every day. He took and hid the tapes in the wall of his room, but when he left Vrindaban a few months later, Bhakticharu searched his luggage, found the tapes and took them. Bhakta Vatsala never was able to listen to them. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This testimony was recorded under oath in 2001. What was on those tapes? Where are these tapes? <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">EIGHT: TESTIMONY FROM GAURIDAS PANDIT DAS REGARDING MISSING TAPES </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Gauridas Pandit das, who was an assistant to Tamal in mid-1977, fanning Srila Prabhupada in his garden, wrote on May 14, 2009: “My duty was to move his recording equipment around to where he was and always make sure his conversations were recorded. Tamal did that most of the time but I'd do it if he wasn't around. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">And yes there are quite a few tapes missing that I know were made; especially right after July 9th when more questions were asked. For example, Tamal asked Prabhupada if there could be more ritviks appointed in the future. Srila Prabhupada said, ‘Yes, the GBC can elect at Mayapur.’ Tamal: What if a ritvik falls down? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Prabhupada said, “Then the GBC can remove”. Tamal: Should we put Vyasasanas in the temples for the ritviks? Prabhupada said, “No, that would create enmity among my disciples.”’ This confirms what we suspected, that before and after such a monumental event as the July 9th letter, how could there be no more discussion on the subject? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Where are those tapes? Obviously Tamal removed all the tapes about the future of initiations and “disappeared” them. Tamal culled any tape that contained Srila Prabhupada’s instructions for the future of ISKCON and a unique system for proxy initiations. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NINE: “IT’S ALL ON TAPE”: TAMAL TO YASODANANDANA JULY 10, 1977 </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Yasodanandana kept a personal diary in 1977, which he still has decades later. He served in Vrindaban as the gurukula headmaster and saw Srila Prabhupada and Tamal daily throughout 1977. On July 10, 1977, Yasodanandan Swami recorded in his diary a conversation outside of Tamal’s office: </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TAMAL: Yasoda, did you see this? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">YASODA: No. What is it? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TAMAL: This is signed by Prabhupada. Tamal showed Yasodanandana the July 9th letter and pointed to Srila Prabhupada’s signature on the left hand bottom corner. He read the entire letter and then asked Tamal some questions. “</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">YASODA: What does all of this mean? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TAMAL: Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations, and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initate on his behalf. Prabhupada said that others can be added. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">YASODANANDANA: And when Prabhupada departs? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TAMAL: They’ll be ritviks. That’s what Prabhupada said. It’s all on tape.” (Yet More Evidence, Vedic Village Review, No. 11, Dec. 1989) Yes, it was all on tape, admitted by Tamal himself. But these tapes are not with us today. Tamal disappeared all audio evidence of the ritvik acharya system as set up by Srila Prabhupada. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TEN: PERSONAL MEMORY BY CHAITANYA DAS REGARDING MISSING TAPES “I was in the guesthouse room of the Kolkata temple with Bhakti Vikasa Swami (ISKCON guru) and I heard him say ‘It’s a fact they have deleted so many tapes and letters.’ He spoke this in a tone of total disgust towards the leaders of ISKCON.” (Chaitanya das, 35 years after 1977) Amongst some ISKCON leaders there are convictions that somebody reduced the available Srila Prabhupada tapes.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.333)<br /></span><br /><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MkcRunDJrQw?si=-4QnRR5XElSaFTPo" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></div></div></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yeah, we thought we could absorb sins like Jesus and be worshipped as the sum total of the demigods. And we could allow homos and pedos to be worshiped as Vishnupada. And we could have devotees banned, beaten, sued and assassinated if they did not go along. We goofed. Sorry! ys pd </span></div><div><br /></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-81987898519053437602024-03-16T10:39:00.000-07:002024-03-16T14:52:28.081-07:00Mayapur Management's New Resolution / Discussion 03 16 24 <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyhYXOr0FgeBQGsYr-kPT6O88zZ9lfyyJJEDEQiKhwk_SOP6oLlH7cBcZSWCrskJ33-Tpo2_5vSvgJyiQoVdU0WFX7mUdlPz2EA-mW2IrteXS0r2T7ZXMtIiN7XuALolh1zyMeUn6hmuLlTAv1SvPztI6NXG5o0TxbanJnzpyS2NIQgRwREwc5P5IBejd3/s640/Mathura%20Pati.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="360" data-original-width="640" height="336" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyhYXOr0FgeBQGsYr-kPT6O88zZ9lfyyJJEDEQiKhwk_SOP6oLlH7cBcZSWCrskJ33-Tpo2_5vSvgJyiQoVdU0WFX7mUdlPz2EA-mW2IrteXS0r2T7ZXMtIiN7XuALolh1zyMeUn6hmuLlTAv1SvPztI6NXG5o0TxbanJnzpyS2NIQgRwREwc5P5IBejd3/w597-h336/Mathura%20Pati.jpg" width="597" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><i>If we can just get rid of the people exposing: mass child molesting; guru poisoning; changing the books, and have them sent into exile in the Caribbean, where they will never return, that will fix everything! That will save our favorite molesters, poisoners and book changers! Problem solved! </i></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">==============</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks JD, yes Krishna Kant Desai / IRM leader wanted me to drop -- the poison issue, molesting issue and books changes issue -- and work under the authority of the head leader of Mayapur, Jayapataka swami. And worse, "take a vacation in the Caribbean" as a guest of their hero messiah Jayapataka. In other words, they are jack booted gestapo enforcers of a pedophile gang leader who evidently also poisons pure devotees. And I never would have returned from the Caribbean alive, and we all know that. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU is simply another one of the disciples of the Krishna Kant / Mayapur / Jayapataka regime -- another of the thousands of other pedophile guru lover's gestapo jack boot enforcers I have dealt with since 1978. Mathura Pati is just another person who attacks and harasses anyone who opposes their child starving, beating and rapes / and guru poisoning program, nothing new for me, seen thousands of them come and go since 1978. They come, they go, but they are always here. Even Hiranyakasipu had many supporters. No problem, we just pray to Lord Narasimgha -- and let Him sort it all out. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com </span> </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">==========</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqBlJMh9qfYjqWeSlidsK5XYxoTIiKbfuFLV3MdAPPAtjbLqbGjUReyQ4NM7PbAvYszUkJdMgCRUBHBNzf-EY1PWLTbpe_NmpU9d5F_uKxryiimkRTJiVCmZMZIFaiXlHXABaJVoXjCcrbMvzUYDESsNEstSBj_d2hsRSC97X28xNYicj8ZWDW2AweIKMZ/s475/mayapur%20cc.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="475" data-original-width="473" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqBlJMh9qfYjqWeSlidsK5XYxoTIiKbfuFLV3MdAPPAtjbLqbGjUReyQ4NM7PbAvYszUkJdMgCRUBHBNzf-EY1PWLTbpe_NmpU9d5F_uKxryiimkRTJiVCmZMZIFaiXlHXABaJVoXjCcrbMvzUYDESsNEstSBj_d2hsRSC97X28xNYicj8ZWDW2AweIKMZ/s320/mayapur%20cc.jpg" width="319" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">PADA: Very sad. They were trained as kids to become monsters by the adult monsters. Now everyone is upset with them, which is understandable, but if we trace it all back, the leaders of ISKCON created this monster's ball for these ex-children. They are victims, of course being a victim is not a license to victimize others. Just another example of many kids who were destroyed by the pedo cult's leaders. </span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And Rambhoru is training people to identify perps and their enablers, well her and her husband Prithu telling children to worship their monster's ball guru leaders are the first guilty people we should identify. They should never have told these children to worship their pedophile guru's cult, that is the responsibility of all the adults involved, such as themselves. </span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">I know one other former kid, who was trained to be a "gurukula enforcer," he is now an adult, and he suffers from severe depression. I mean severe depression. His life was destroyed by this process. And so was theirs. I feel bad for all of them, they were made monsters by other monsters. And the leaders of those monsters are often called "sum total of the demigods successors to God," which makes it all a million, trillion times worse. Yeah, Dr. Stilson Judah is right, these people will eliminate you if the think they can get away with it, they are very dangerous people. </span><br /></span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">MAYAPUR IMBROGLIO </span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />DD: After waiting far too many years, the Mayapur management has finally taken decisive actions to remove Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe devi dasi from ISKCON Mayapur.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />This is a very important step to help their victims heal and hopefully forgive and move on. I also hope that Sri Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe will seek and receive all the help they need to heal their own wounds and traumas. May the cooling and benedicting Moon of Lord Chaitayna Mahaprabhu's mercy save us from the eternal cycle of suffering.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Srila Prabhupada Ki Jaya!!!<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">MEB Resolution passed March 12th 2024 in Sridham Mayapur<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Resolved:<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Sri Madhava Gauranga das and his wife, Sri Radhe dasi, have demonstrated their inability to separate themselves from their prior positions of power which they were found to have abused. They are strongly encouraged to relocate to another community outside of Mayapur preferably outside of India.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: This is always another problem. They are going to relocate to another community, probably ISKCON, and then what happens if other victims live in that area? I don't think devotees realize the scale and scope of this problem.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">If Madhava and Sri Radhe do not relocate within 90 days, they will be prohibited entirely from the Mayapur campus for not less than 3 years (to be reviewed and possibly extended at the end of that term). And, if any further report of intimidation is brought to MEB’s attention, the Co-Directors must explore legal options to enforce the above prohibition.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The Co-Directors are asked to reach out to Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi at the earliest after this meeting to facilitate the above.<br />While this may cause some hardships, we genuinely believe, based on our knowledge of their behavior for the past several months, that this will be good for them and their family. With a fresh start they could make meaningful contributions to society in the future. We wish them all the best.<br />MEB Resolution passed March 12th,2024 in Sridham Mayapur<br /><br />DD: Good on the Mayapur Executive Board for (finally) arriving at this conclusion.<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: But it took a lot of external pressure for them to act by the looks of it.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">JG: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Still useless really if they abused kids etc there should be Police cases and a Court Case we're the Law will be passed and justice handed down. Anyhow guess this is as good as it gets over there. Geez to think I wanted to live and school my child there. Thank the Vaisnava's for finally exposing all these really lost, blinded souls.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">D Dasi: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I know more than a few devotees who expressed the same. They wanted to live in Mayapura and have their kids in Gurukula. It didn't work out for them. Now, they are so grateful they never went there, after hearing about all the abuse that transpired.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">JG: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Think we were just too naive and trusting, but hey I think actually the people that covered it up are more to blame and they definitely gonna get it big time.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: And that includes Krishna Kant, IRM, Mathura Pati, Prabhupadanuga EU, Prahlad, HKC Jaipur and others GBC gestapo jack booters who opposed me for exposing their child molester guru project, and their program wanted to have me go the the Caribbean under Jayapataka, and probably have me removed from the planet so they could cover up their pedo and poisoner guru regime. They all have the same agenda, cover up for their pedos and poisoners pals.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SP: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I don’t believe they are actually going to leave. It’s not in their nature to be compliant. They always weasel out of taking responsibility.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DD: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Naturally Madhava Gauranga is contesting the decision.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Supposedly some - more than one - members of the MEB reached out to him and proposed he write to MEB. So perhaps not every MEB board member favoured the resolution delineated in the OP.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />He is citing "due process" complaining that he should have been invited to make his case to them prior to any decision being reached. Of course, even in matters of organisational policy, it's good to follow "due process". But Madhava Gauranga appears to be citing "due process" as if his guilt was being determined by some court.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Looking at the wording of the resolution:<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><<<Sri Madhava Gauranga das and his wife, Sri Radhe dasi, have demonstrated their inability to separate themselves from their prior positions of power which they were found to have abused.>>><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Is this "found to have abused" some reference to a prior - concluded CPO investigation?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><<<They are strongly encouraged to relocate to another community outside of </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Mayapur preferably outside of India.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">If Madhava and Sri Radhe do not relocate within 90 days, they will be prohibited entirely from the Mayapur campus for not less than 3 years (to be reviewed and possibly extended at the end of that term). And, if any further report of intimidation is brought to MEB’s attention, the Co-Directors must explore legal options to enforce the above prohibition.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The Co-Directors are asked to reach out to Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi at the earliest after this meeting to facilitate the above.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">While this may cause some hardships, we genuinely believe, based on our knowledge of their behavior for the past several months, that this will be good for them and their family.>>><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"Based on our knowledge of their behaviour".... No details provided. First hand knowledge....? Credible witness accounts....?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">It should be noted that, whilst some presumption of prior guilt is being referred to, this resolution is not some kind of judicial sentencing. It's a matter of campus policy. While, from reading the resolution, it's not clear precisely what evidence was considered in the process of decision making, it appears that a number of community members expressed their concerns - including some victims.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">It is believed that some interim restrictions were also meant to be in place but were not being adequately enforced or abided by.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">If a management team determine - after hearing from community members within their jurisdiction - that quarantine measures should be put in place to safeguard community members, is that being treated as if it's a human rights violation by those having their campus privileges revoked?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">There is also the classic fallacious argument "Whose abuse is worse?" as if those who have been abused at some point themselves should be given an amnesty for their own abusive actions.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Being in litigation with the International CPO, Madhava Gauranga exhorts his accusers to take up their grievance with "CPO Bharat" - evidently confident of that agency's support.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Right, "CPO Bharat" was made up so they can refuse to accept other CPO decisions against wrong doers from other sectors of ISKCON. For example, Lokanatha swami is still a guru in India despite other sectors of ISKCON refusing to accept his authority. It looks like they concocted the "CPO Bharat" scheme to over-ride other CPO legislation from other areas.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Will more of the former students that have grievances against Madhava Gauranga and / or his wife choose to formalise further allegations?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">V Dasi: Wouldn’t it be that ISKCON Mayapur is private property and under law they are not legal members of ISKCON, so therefore do not have entry rights. I wonder how India deal with such matters.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DD: I have no idea how the law works there. But surely any management team over a facility has the right to refuse admission - particularly if they are concerned about risks to other attendees.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GP: I guess from the way it looks, some of the higher up abuser's are now worried, if there were criminal or other binding allegations the guilty party may spill the beans and reveal other abuser's, to get a deal to save them selves.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SP: I read his ridiculous response, making it all about himself and trying to get sympathy for his own disastrous childhood. I just don't understand why they even want to stay so badly at this point, if they really cared for their kids they would leave Mayapur and get a fresh start. Also how can he justify keeping his kids in the same place he was abused and then abused others. To say its the best place for them??? Absurd!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: It is remarkable that people keep going back to supporting these guys, or worse -- even surrendering their kids to these guys, knowing how much trouble previous kids have experienced. When we helped the lawsuit in 1997, hundreds of kids were pulled out of their schools, and I am surprised any were sent back in later. Of course, a lot of the new people are from Russia, Ukraine etc. and they have no idea what was going on. </span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">JG: Time to grab our torches and pitchforks as the saying goes.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">PK: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">From what I understood they were prohibited from campus for 3 years, period. Not only if they refuse relocate within 90 days. And relocate for how long? This statement is very unclear. They left Mayapur about a week ago, so does this now mean they are not prohibited for 3 years?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">VK: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Did the MEB take any action against Braja Sevaki as well for her recent bullying and threats to the victim of Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">LL: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">So that means if they relocate then they are allowed to freely roam all the rest of the Iskcon premisses??? </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">They should not be allowed on the campus at all anymore.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AP: Now take them to the police, together with the leaders who protected them for years (like Indradyumna swami and others) and put them in jail.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: And all their assorted hangers on and gestapo enforcer cheer leader protectors should also be arrested like Krishna Kant, IRM, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati, Prabhupadanuga EU etc. But don't worry, Yamaraja will arrest all of them in time. And they will go to Yamaraja's Caribbean Voodoo vacation home. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">HD: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">YES!!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GP: People power, well done DD and others who are pushing for truth and justice. This only happened because of external pressure.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DD: The main credit goes in this case to the female victims - former students - and their families.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GP: Certainly, and the back up, it takes a lot of courage to challenge an institution and their embedded corruption.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SR: Sri Radhe was herself a child in the 90s... at that time Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe didn't even know each other. They met several years later.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">VR: What did they do?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DD: There are allegations of various kinds of abuse of the students at the gurukulas they ran.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />CH: Sivarama Swami also accommodated and supported them recently in Hungary's Krishna Valley.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">PK: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Finally...</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">LS: Whoever in charge send them to Trinidad and they will be forced to change or be given a proper laatee.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><p></p></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-49261252078661416972024-03-15T17:15:00.000-07:002024-03-15T17:17:48.322-07:00Can ISKCON's Insiders and Lifers -- Fix ISKCON? 03 15 24 <div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgce-HdpWPz2AfjkiHAyn7KRoaBnnX36zWpo6v7K92u7gBvtJORb6sztVn0eP0mruU-8gk-Jl-LEcBujj3m384u1AwMZ6jWR6AQX11-wLWXtI6tYsN9CKHSfe0Vjy2eBu7Te02gvls50gD4Sft-70AKbg6Nv3QbCmQIic09TPL-DpPAgFc7OxvaaxJhooCu/s1920/child%20abuse%20team.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1080" data-original-width="1920" height="344" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgce-HdpWPz2AfjkiHAyn7KRoaBnnX36zWpo6v7K92u7gBvtJORb6sztVn0eP0mruU-8gk-Jl-LEcBujj3m384u1AwMZ6jWR6AQX11-wLWXtI6tYsN9CKHSfe0Vjy2eBu7Te02gvls50gD4Sft-70AKbg6Nv3QbCmQIic09TPL-DpPAgFc7OxvaaxJhooCu/w610-h344/child%20abuse%20team.jpg" width="610" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: There are some people who doubt that these "ISKCON grief counsellors" "ISKCON insiders" "ISKCON lifers" can fix the problems going on inside ISKCON. Some people have challenged that these folks are "not qualified" to deal with trauma. And others have said they are "a circus" that is trying to make a show that something is being done -- when little or not much is being done. Some say it is worse, it is window dressing, it looks like something is being done, when it really isn't. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">It seems to me that a lot of trouble is still going on in places like Mayapur and not much is factually being fixed. At the same time, these women are probably sincere, and trying to do something, and that is a good idea in that -- at least trauma is being acknowledged. But that begs the question, where are the men leaders, those who should be in the driver's seat, and not -- these ladies. And, did these "ISKCON men leaders" create a lot of the trauma these ladies are now trying to fix? ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">====== </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">PADA: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Most ordinary Joe six pack people walking down the street already know, with no special trauma training whatsoever, that all children need good food, clothes, shoes, medical care, warm water for their bathing, a caring and protected environment, and a good educational curriculum etc. And if the teachers turn out to be violent, predators or enablers of predators, these bad adults need to be charged and arrested forthwith. No questions asked. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And if the children getting out of their school have not actually received a useful education to function in the world, the school needs to be sued for negligence and false advertising, so that child can have financial help to compensate for not being trained. Any ordinary Joe six pack person already knows all of this with no special training. We need to start to weed out the people who keep causing all this damage and trouble for children, instead of constantly fixing, repairing and "trauma therapy-ing" the children they damage. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">To always keep fixing the children they break is not addressing the root issue, the people who break children need to be removed instead of contantly trying to fix the children they break. Every Joe six pack already knows all this with no training. One of the alleged therapy ladies of ISKCON recently went to a USA temple with a "high recommendation from Jayapataka." And that is just one of many examples of creating more trauma for the victims of this program. ys pd</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />======<br /><br />PADA: Point well taken. However, in my opinion, the first problem is, there are many deviants running around ISKCON, and they have been facilitated, enabled, empowered, encouraged and protected -- by the leadership. Or worse -- they have been specifically emplaced into positions of authority over children and vulnerable women. Thus, even if a deviant is identified, not much is being done to address that problem in many cases. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Or worse, the whistleblowers against the deviant are removed and the deviant stays. That is what happened to me and many others. As soon as I said there is a predator running around, and he is having full on conjugal relationships with at least one victim, I was removed and the predator stayed, and was given even more protected status and higher posts of authority. Multiply that same issue by many times, and that is where we are now. Later on my friend reported a rape was attempted on a minor, and he was kicked out and the perp was allowed to stay. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">This type thing is an epidemic. Therefore, trying to help people AFTER they are victims is cart before horse, we should be nipping these events BEFORE they develop into trauma for children. And that means addressing how the leaders are NOT ALLOWING weeding out perps, which is most of the problem. And some cases the leaders ARE the perps. Therapy for victims needs to have the rest of the system working -- so they can see their victimizers are being given justice and containment. Many abusers were already being identified, and in many cases the whistle blowers were being weeded out, not the abusers. I don't see these webinar folks really coming to grips with the foundation issue. ys pd<br /><br /></span>=======<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: Yes, a lot of the ISKCON leader's "we could care less" mood would be changed dramatically if more victims and / or their parents actually pressed criminal charges. And those charges could go to the perps-- and / or their handlers / enablers, and / or webs and nests operators etc. Long overdue. And this is another problem, a lot of these leaders and perps are all getting well on in years, so unless charges are made soon, a lot of them are no longer going to be here to be charged. ys pd</span></span></div><div><span><span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span><span><span style="font-family: verdana;">=======<br /></span></span></span><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVCM6aamWvdQ3G5LtADmNxr835MzBVRUJWOKYgzNKxgENF1A6wwpIKpzuRAd9fsRVdUGXagc-R7TWs2yL_8WlK5wkuE4DpoaZGsjkzKHxmVNugpiVAHjqGX40XTt_qFnOC3KGIX6GOLp78RKgE6m5GHXlVviZJ1XCdapmV2DWRabim9TBpRYMyISB0duXU/s2000/ihf.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2000" data-original-width="1414" height="586" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVCM6aamWvdQ3G5LtADmNxr835MzBVRUJWOKYgzNKxgENF1A6wwpIKpzuRAd9fsRVdUGXagc-R7TWs2yL_8WlK5wkuE4DpoaZGsjkzKHxmVNugpiVAHjqGX40XTt_qFnOC3KGIX6GOLp78RKgE6m5GHXlVviZJ1XCdapmV2DWRabim9TBpRYMyISB0duXU/w414-h586/ihf.jpg" width="414" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Hare Krishna,<br /><br />Join us for Grand Gaura Purnima Celebrations on Sunday, March 24th from 12:00 PM on wards. Festivities include Special Discourse, Grand Abhisheka, Special Performance, Kirtans & Pallaki Utsava.<br /><br />Sri Gaura Purnima is the auspicious appearance day of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Understanding the plight of the people of this godless age, Lord Krishna descended in a unique avatar as Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. He did not come with weapons to kill the demons. Instead, He came to teach the yuga-dharma of the congregational chanting of Krishna’s Names.<br /><br />Lord Chaitanya awarded liberation to every soul who came in touch with Him. He continues to deliver anyone who takes to the chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. <br /><br />To sponsor sevas on this auspicious occasion, please visit:<br /><br /><br />http://bit.ly/gp-sevas</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">====</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0VM4NA4hGKo?si=2yskA1awrU4QjKWn" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Rambhouru is still telling people that when the guru falls down and runs off with a woman, it is very shocking. And this process causes a lot of mental trauma and pain. Well -- what is truly shocking is -- that people like Rambhoru still think that Krishna's successors -- or gurus -- are falling down left, right and center -- into illicit sex with men, women and children. Krishna is God, His successors are therefore purely serving Krishna, and that is why they are running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. What else would we expect -- except a lot of trauma -- to result from that devious preaching? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">That means she thinks Krishna's gurus are ordinary men, or worse than ordinary men, because ordinary men are not running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So she is one of the persons creating all this suffering, confusion and trauma by mis-representing who is Krishna and who is His successor. She is promoting that children should worship her conditioned soul messiahs as their gurus, and later on, those children will often find out they have been cheated, and they will reject the religion. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And most of the children in her scheme have left the religion, and permanently. And many of them detest the religion thanks to her misrepresenting Krishna and His successors. Falling down foolish conditioned soul gurus is not shocking at all, it is expected and happens every day. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">What is shocking is -- that ISKCON is promoting these foolish conditioned souls as its gurus, and then they send in Rambhoru as the fire brigade to fix the traumatized victims -- without explaining how all this trauma originated -- by promoting conditioned souls as messiahs. So they are starting the place on fire, pouring petrol on it, then coming in to save the victims, the victims they created. OK that is why someone said, this is just a circus and not a real solution. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But more people are reading PADA and other similar sites -- and they are starting to realize, the persons promoting conditioned soul gurus are the cause of this type of trauma, and the only fix is to stop promoting conditioned souls as gurus. Otherwise there will be wave after wave after wave of more and more and more trauma victims. Someone just said they get their trauma therapy every day, by reading PADA, hee hee!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><br /></div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What is real Kirtana?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SrilaPrabhupada?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SrilaPrabhupada</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/harekrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#harekrishna</a> <a href="https://t.co/sCR5ssHLY2">pic.twitter.com/sCR5ssHLY2</a></p>— Madhu Pandit Dasa (@madhupanditdasa) <a href="https://twitter.com/madhupanditdasa/status/1768269168284168232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-39047646489952483352024-03-14T16:46:00.000-07:002024-03-14T16:49:41.441-07:00PADA Loves Law Enforcement / P Dasi / Braja Sevaka Mayapur 03 14 24 <div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8YnhYdpWtW0CeBrV_dsn6LlA3mNOpeXZmDMg4cTabJALWuJbK7J5NEaC0g8LJk31653VRS7RcjwofENvax21BhatL681HR4xPHDaII15ZVwTbPVlUt8TMNfd4GkzyCHMFeGdbO8fiBe2qOyBP74n0LfrsIz-rBo_ealPCmsf7OjsCWs2sVbqZZ9JkGlhk/s1080/killing%20us.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="913" data-original-width="1080" height="467" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8YnhYdpWtW0CeBrV_dsn6LlA3mNOpeXZmDMg4cTabJALWuJbK7J5NEaC0g8LJk31653VRS7RcjwofENvax21BhatL681HR4xPHDaII15ZVwTbPVlUt8TMNfd4GkzyCHMFeGdbO8fiBe2qOyBP74n0LfrsIz-rBo_ealPCmsf7OjsCWs2sVbqZZ9JkGlhk/w552-h467/killing%20us.jpg" width="552" /></a></div></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: The Berkeley law enforcement told me, these people will not eat a hamburger, but they will eat you for lunch. The Los Angeles police told me -- these people hate your guts and they want to kill you. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">There is some sort of weird problem going on here, where it seems, there are a lot of "Krishna devotees" out there who would like to see PADA editor dead. Of course, if Prabhupada was poisoned by some in this same group, then they would want to exterminate anyone who exposed these crimes -- ok like PADA. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then Krishna Kant meets with Jayapataka, the leader of the Mayapur homosexual and pedophile messiah's program -- that many also believe poisoned Prabhupada -- and whose program thus probably -- wants to take me out for exposing these issues. And Krishna Kant's IRM "makes a deal" with Jayapataka to send me to the Caribbean, under the Mayapur management's authority. And everyone else tells me, don't go, you will be terminated. And beware the black magic Voodoo guys over there etc. Fine vacation then! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then the Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanugas EU starts promoting Krishna Kant's complaints about PADA. And that simply is repeating Jayapataka's complaints about us -- exposing the poison issue and the gurukula's child beating, molesting and rapes issue. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And these guys claim to have "defeated" Srila Prabhupada for making a poison complaint; they have defeated thousands of children for making a molesting / rape complaint; and they have defeated PADA by saying we should not sue the BBT for original books. They defeated all of PADA's complaints and King Jayapataka reigns supreme! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Ummm, well nope. T</span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">hey are attempting to defend the people who are suppressing these complaints. But it is not working, because too many people already accept these complaints as valid. Of course, that means the IRM / Prabhupadanuga EU folks are</span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"> helping the people who caused these complaints to be made in the first place. In short, they are STILL helping the leaders of the regime. And worse, they have been meeting with the leaders of the regime. And worse, meeting with one of the worst of those leaders, Jayapataka. </span></div><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;">I personally would not want to be anywhere near -- being on the side of the people who are suppressing complaints about being poisoned -- made by a pure devotee, and complaints about beatings and rapes from children. I fear lots of things, but being a participant in the team of defense attorneys for Judas poisoners of pure devotees is something I fear doing -- perhaps more than anything else possible. Never mind I would not want to be on the same team that is suppressing complaints from molesting, beatings and rapes of children victims either. </span></span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Suppressing these issues is why thousands of children have been molested, and the poisoners of pure devotees are still being worshiped as saints. You guys helped save Judas and his helpers, which makes you one of Judas helpers.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway there is good news -- thanks guys -- for making me a target, because that seems to have made me a very popular celebrity with -- Law Enforcement, the FEDS, the media, the courts, various book writers, scholars like J. Stilson Judah, current media and TV folks -- who are still talking to me now, and so on and so forth. You made me a million times more noteworthy than I would have otherwise been. Even Bhakti Vikas swami told me, "You are famous around ISKCON." Gee thanks! Or maybe not, since I was always hanging on by a thread from being terminated. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But there is also bad news. When I am six feet under, the same problems will still exist. There will still be deviants running the show in ISKCON, the ritviks will still be dysfunctional, and all the rest of it. And I will be maybe a bird flying in the sky on another planet, no longer worried about you guys! You won't have anyone to gossip about anymore!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Sorry, my departure will not fix anything for you guys, but it can't get any worse for me, so I am thinking it will be an improvement. Just forgetting about all the crap going on here will be a major improvement right out of the gate. And one of you wrote to say, three days after you are gone -- no one will remember you anymore. Goody, and I won't be here anymore to have any concern over that. Hee hee! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But while I am still here, I am going to object to people re-writing history, especially my own, or Srila Prabhupada's history of making a poison complaint, or kids making molesting complaints, or deviants changing the books etc. But overall I feel positive, we are making progress. For example, we are getting more victims to come forward -- and one of them just told me, "telling my story on PADA made me feel good for the first time in 30 years, and now I am telling it over and over, and each time I do, I feel even better." Yeah, so these are the people we want to work with, and we are. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><br /></div><div>=================</div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">P DASI: Hare Krishna. Please forgive me for looking at things differently, but I think you miss an essential factor. "If Krishna wants to kill you no one can save you, and if Krishna wants to save you no one can kill you." So I think it is obvious that Krishna was ready to let Srila Prabhupada leave that body which he had used for so much service for the pleasure of Krishna. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">You talk about Srila Prabhupada as if he was unprotected by Krishna. Actually the whole affair was yet another type of test for the devotees; who would be bewildered by Srila Prabhupada's passing, and who would sincerely continue with their service, following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, and keeping Krishna in the center. Srila Prabhupada said "We are not against anything, we are for Krishna." </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">That is a fairly simple instruction, but can take a lifetime to perfect. Srila Prabhupada showed the people who were supplying the poison that he was not going to die because of the poison, he carried on living long after he was already supposed to have passed away considering the amount of poison which was found in his hair when it was tested sometime after his release from that mortal body. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">So I think if you have real evidence to get Bhavananda in jail for his illegal activities then for heaven's sake use it and get the man removed from the position of 'superior devotee', and if you have evidence to incriminate someone other than Tamal Krishna "Maharaja" who has been dealt with already, in the poisoning affair then go ahead and take the necessary action. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Beyond that remember there are important services which need doing these days when millions of people are looking for relief from the media onslaught of pretending there is no difference between a man and a woman, and other crazy things like that, these days when devotees could be pushing the Krishna consciousness forward instead of harping about something which happened about 47 years ago, and which we can not undo. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">I have been showing devotees who go out on book distribution that the books which they are distributing are not the books which Srila Prabhupada wrote for us, they have been changed. This is something which can be dealt with if more devotees would get involved in saving Srila Prabhupada's books from this offense. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">And, quite frankly, I believe it is more important than lamenting over the extremely envious and nasty behaviour which a handful of devotees were involved in during the last months of Srila Prabhupada's stay on earth in the body he had during those days. No doubt he will come again when Krishna wants him to return, but can you imagine how disappointed he would be if he saw some of his disciples still alive doing nothing about the changes which have been made in his books, even though he told us many times not to change them. Hare Krishna</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=====</span></div><div><br /></div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"If you talk in the modern society they will laugh: "What nonsense this man is... 'By sex life one becomes conditioned.' " They cannot understand. Hare Krsna... (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyasis. And those sannyasis who have fallen, you get them married, live like a... No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous... Even there is a promise that "We shall not fall down again," that is also not believable. What is the use?"<br />(Room Conversation, 7th January, 1977) <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"And this kind of hypocrisy--they have taken sannyasa and mixing with woman. This is not to be allowed. If you want woman you get yourself married, live respectfully. We have no objection. But this hypocrisy should be stopped. There have been so many fallen down. First of all there will be no sannyasi anymore. I have got very bad experience."<br />(Room Conversation, 7th January, 1977)</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">========</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><a href="https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/02/from-braja-sevaka-dasi-in-mayapura.html" style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><b style="background-color: #01ffff;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/02/from-braja-sevaka-dasi-in-mayapura.html</span></b></a><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Good question prabhu. How could Braja Sevaka and her husband be part of Mayapur management for decades, and they did not know about the rampant child abuse there, and the people who have been creating that program [Jayapataka and co.]. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Yes, it is hard to believe. </span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And recently she harassed someone who was exposing that one of the abusers was floating around Mayapur again. And in fact she was recently credited with "stabbing victims in the back." </span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="font-family: "Times New Roman";"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And she has been editing Sivarama's books, and he has been credited with stealing / plagarizing books made by various Vrndavana Babajis. In any case, yes, how could she be such a long time resident there -- and not know about the problems? I agree, it seems to be impossible to be there all this time and not know about these issues. The good news is, finally people are starting to call these people out. ys pd <b><i>angel108b@yahoo.com</i></b> </span></div></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GURUKULIS CONVERSATION (Update) RE: Braja Sevaka dasi</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">VG: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">What’s so difficult for everyone in Mayapur / management to understand. A huge amount of abuse went on for many children, for many years. This was, and still is a huge majority of these children’s home. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">These children (now adults) are horrifically now having to fight for some basic basic rights. To not have see their abusers on a daily basis, to not see them worshipped and honoured, to be able to leave their homes to go to the shop and not feel sick to their stomach every time they go out, to get some closer and support for all they’ve had to endure. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">WAKE UP management. It’s not that complicated. The abusers can go literally anywhere else in world and live a peaceful life with their family away from any victims…… what is going on in our little bubble….. this is not how the real world functions…. Somehow abusers are always above the l law in our iskcon world.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GD: It’s because they either ARE the management, have power or money. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">TL: T</span><span style="font-family: verdana;">hey have plenty of enablers. I'm getting the same on my side as well. no one wants to believe it until its too late. then everyone says "how could this of happened?"</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">GD: This!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">VK: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Considering the GBC are meeting right now in Mayapur, the BS threat letters to victim's needs to be addressed at the highest level. Let’s face it, the gunda mentality against victims has to stop, and really this needs to be addressed at the highest level.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SF: What's a " gunda"? Is it approx "thug", "criminal"?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">JV: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Have you asked this question to your Guru, Radhanath swami? You are close to him so, why don't you ask? </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">When Jvalamukhi Kopecka met with him, he simply asked her, "Where is the proof?" </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Doesn't it mean Rns is behind this too? </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">When you ask others to wake up, you should wake up first yourself??</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NB: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Who died and made BS Mother Superior? Sheesh. A wall indeed. No human emotion there at all.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">KE: H</span><span style="font-family: verdana;">asn’t she pretty much always been in denial?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NB: I</span><span style="font-family: verdana;">'ve had dealings with her in the past. Nothing as arrogant and self-righteous as this though. I guess that's what bathing in donkey urine for years, even decades, will do to you. Mana-siksha reference for anyone who is confused.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NE: Same. she tried to have me kicked out of mayapur and had the authorities scrambling. i didn’t live in iskcon so they couldn’t do anything. and we hadn’t even ever met.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div></div><div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">NB: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">They don't care about the second or third generation. They have their converts who will tow the line and never question their intentions. It's all such a ridiculous spectacle. Our acaryas would cry to see what a mess has been hawked in their names. I feel sorry for anyone who believes this sham is what has been predicted under their divine auspices.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">MJ: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">There is a biblical story about the wise man who built his house upon the rock. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">YP: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">“Pain is passed through the family line until someone is ready to feel it.”</span></div><div><br /></div><div>======<span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /><br />PADA: My experience has been -- some ex-gurukulis thank me for saving their lives and getting them some compensation -- some ex-gurukulis hate me because they think I knew a lot of stuff and was not bringing it out (I cannot make a police report -- the parents or victims have to file an official legal complaint themselves) -- some ex-gurukulis are angry I attacked their GBC guru and / or their Gaudiya Matha type guru who was acting as an enabler or advisor to the GBC gurus. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Which proves, you cannot win them all. My main help all along has actually been the police, FBI, courts, and media, and in many ways -- they still are. I also am friends with one ex-kuli who helped me a lot, especially in broadcasting the lawsuit, but many other kulis don't like him because he was a GBC enforcer / monitor for some time, and so they don't like me for being associated with him. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Very complex mess going on here. Overall, I wanted to help, and if my help was not enough, I apologize. At the same time -- keep in mind, I was being banned, beat, chased with bats, and my friends lives were taken and mine would have been too -- except the police saved me, literally moments before I was no longer going to be here. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I understand how a person in this situation could become an aggressor, it is unfortunately human nature for persons in a prison camp to become help mates for the prison's managers, I understand how that can happen. I don't think blaming them is what I would do personally, they are co-victims IMHO. For that matter I am also a de facto victim of the situation -- and so blaming me is not helping anything. ys pd</span></div></div></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ritu Gupta, dancer-influencer, and winner of the reality TV show 'Boogie Woogie', shares her experience of visiting Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavanchandrodayamandir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavanchandrodayamandir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vcm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vcm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/krishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#krishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/radhakrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#radhakrishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/divine?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#divine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dance?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dance</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Devotion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Devotion</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dancing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dancing</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ritugupta?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ritugupta</a> <a href="https://t.co/MaP9KnnBWz">pic.twitter.com/MaP9KnnBWz</a></p>— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1768254079191388604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-4389377668822622882024-03-13T16:58:00.000-07:002024-03-13T17:04:07.215-07:00Mayapur / HKS News / Missing Tapes / Kuli Discussion 03 13 24<p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOpWhQKGEsZWgXY-4R72Zu_lwhznRqVBI7IY0Zly4e8zXFF3sMlHh6NrI7bJWoTNSvmuywtGgoRWr8wjfgjNMWP0yaN3AWMntZuAtjlBmTk6wHFH3rEM85aITUVTgWrh6XIg5Sm5QFtWmNOBu5prIizPk8o4RRKXn2seRkVC93RFaqLPL_cHNxBcBQ0Drq/s1024/little%20girl%201008.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="505" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOpWhQKGEsZWgXY-4R72Zu_lwhznRqVBI7IY0Zly4e8zXFF3sMlHh6NrI7bJWoTNSvmuywtGgoRWr8wjfgjNMWP0yaN3AWMntZuAtjlBmTk6wHFH3rEM85aITUVTgWrh6XIg5Sm5QFtWmNOBu5prIizPk8o4RRKXn2seRkVC93RFaqLPL_cHNxBcBQ0Drq/w505-h505/little%20girl%201008.jpg" width="505" /></a></div><br /><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqJfos1gCGck7WWsWPlbTPEaJKIJt3lvMSs2399K1s3IPRkaJvvajs0wEqJmI2wSPoKUBQfAgXxH61hfmH7O2Q52v4Wc8jfkwdzhg9tmnTdA1U3O9racYQtvqt81zab0EXaZtoA5gVumj_qlLDJKD8aBx-_v0wAPh59G5MaDYSm5jRv2CPTCaVv1fPywSE/s909/mayapur.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="909" data-original-width="862" height="572" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqJfos1gCGck7WWsWPlbTPEaJKIJt3lvMSs2399K1s3IPRkaJvvajs0wEqJmI2wSPoKUBQfAgXxH61hfmH7O2Q52v4Wc8jfkwdzhg9tmnTdA1U3O9racYQtvqt81zab0EXaZtoA5gVumj_qlLDJKD8aBx-_v0wAPh59G5MaDYSm5jRv2CPTCaVv1fPywSE/w541-h572/mayapur.jpg" width="541" /></a></div><br /><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br />PADA: Yeah so many people have had to suffer to make this pile of Mayapur bricks. And they are supposedly worshiping Lord Narasimgha -- a deity Who wants to protect children from abusers. And then they allegedly make Mayapur an "industrial level" child abuse regime. Sort of "off the charts hypocrisy." It is baffling and mind boggling -- allegedly worshiping the child protector God -- and simultaneously reports of making child abuse rampant. Even the outside karmi media people are bewildered how this is going on, especially in the holy land of the Krishnas. </span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">In short, the regime has created a place known for industrial scale child abuse, while they claim to worship the form of God who opposes child abuse. Shameless hypocrites. They are using their worship of Lord Narasimgha as an advertisement for high class child protection -- when in reality -- it seems like predators, deviants, perps, pedophiles -- and their enablers, sycophants, attack dogs etc. are protected -- and not children. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then the GBC and their Prabhupadanuga EU attack dog pals said PADA is "attacking the Golden Body of ISKCON" for challenging their Auschwitz for kids deviation, in the Holy Dham. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But yeah, there are a lot of victims cursing anyone involved in making, sustaining and protecting this regime. As they should be cursed! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And therefore -- "cram it to the rafters with pedophiles, thugs, rapists and enablers and enjoy." Because? The same people who created this hot mess are still in charge there. And there has been recent reported abuse and attacks on ex-victims who were challenging their abusers.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Rather amazing, people like Prabhupadanuga EU's shiksha guru hero Krishna Kant wanted me to work under their Mayapur regime's leader Jayapataka, head honcho of their abuse headquarters. And that was to help the Mayapur regime protect and enable that program. And these attack dogs did protect the regime, and that is why this deviation has been enabled, if not crammed to the rafters. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is why there are still a lot of bad actors floating around there, and in other sectors of ISKCON, and all of them will be held accountable by the higher authority for creating, sustaining or enabling all this. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So yes, shame on these Mayapur managers. And shame on their attack dogs who wanted me to work under those managers, and they still do, because they are still forwarding the complaint that I refused to work with their Mayapur boss even now. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But hey, the good news is, more and more people are agreeing with us, probably many more every day -- Mayapur is a cesspool, and it needs to be cleaned up. And failing that, it needs to be avoided and not supported. Yeah, so PADA readership has been steadily increasing, because these issues are resonating with the population at present. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And some devotee said to me just today, even the mundane society is now obsessed with child trafficking, child predators, child welfare and so on, and so it is natural this issue will parallel in the ISKCON society. Lets hope so!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><br /></div><div>=========</div><div><br /></div><div>HKS/PDA Monthly Newsletter</div><div><br /></div><div>Please find attached the third issue of our monthly newsletter. </div><div><br /></div><div>You can also click the link below to view it:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://harekrishnasociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HKS-PDA-Newsletter-v01-n03.pdf">https://harekrishnasociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HKS-PDA-Newsletter-v01-n03.pdf</a></div><div></div><div>Connect with devotees worldwide:</div><div><br /></div><div>Subscribe to our YouTube channel:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@HareKrishnaSociety">https://www.youtube.com/@HareKrishnaSociety</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Follow our Facebook page:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/HareKrishnaSocietyOfficial">https://www.facebook.com/HareKrishnaSocietyOfficial</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Join our Facebook group:</div><div><a href="goog_1927974545"><br /></a></div><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/PrabhupadaDisciples">https://www.facebook.com/groups/PrabhupadaDisciples</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Follow us on Instagram:</div><div><a href="goog_1927974546"><br /></a></div><div><a href="https://www.instagram.com/HareKrishnaSocietyOfficial">https://www.instagram.com/HareKrishnaSocietyOfficial</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Join the PDA WhatsApp community:</div><div><a href="goog_1927974547"><br /></a></div><div><a href="https://chat.whatsapp.com/JevdrxyE15R9xdEOGWHsUC">https://chat.whatsapp.com/JevdrxyE15R9xdEOGWHsUC</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Join our mailing list:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://tinyurl.com/pda-membership-form">https://tinyurl.com/pda-membership-form</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Visit our website:</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.HareKrishnaSociety.org">https://www.HareKrishnaSociety.org</a></div></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">================</span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />MISSING TAPES</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Govinda Dasi<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Both Kusha and I were at Kumbha Mela, 1977, quietly hidden behind the tent flap in Srila Prabhupada’s large tent. We could see everything and hear everything from our vantage point, but no one could see us.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />There were perhaps 35 or 40 sannyasis in the tent that evening, and Srila Prabhupada was yelling at them. He was livid. He was saying things like, “This is not the meaning of sannyas, you have made a mockery of sannyas, there will be no more sannyas, I have got bad experience!” And more.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />THAT TAPE IS NOT ON THE VEDABASE. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">I have looked for it. That would be during the few days in January 1977 that he stayed at the Mela. It is obvious to me that Srila Prabhupada foresaw what these men were going to do. And he tried to stop it. Like he tried so many times to stop Tamal’s ambitions.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />There is also a letter to Rupanuga just after Tamal took sannyas, saying, “now that Tamal has taken sannyas, we need to find a replacement for him on the GBC … and Prabhupada makes two suggestions as replacements. But Tamal refused to get off the GBC.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Fast forward to now, and we can see that our Iskcon society was destroyed by a band of so called renunciates who stole everything and destroyed the lives of our children. Srila Prabhupada wanted sannyasis to travel and preach and householders to be managers, GBC men, because they have to deal with women, children, money and temples.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Tamal knew this, and made arrangements to pack the GBC with “his” men, and now we see the result. Now it is time to wake up and demand change. Not all sannyasis are bad, some are traveling and spreading the Holy Names.<br />But none of them should be in the management. They have become rich elites with no regard for the wishes of their godbrothers and sisters. And NO regard for what Srila Prabhupada wanted. They should have NO POWER in the GBC or in the BBT.<br /><br />VP: Listen to what they replied to me about Govinda Dasi's last post after sharing it on whatsapp!!!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Apparently they don't know what to say....<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Tusta Gaura dasa: Hare Krishna pamho AGTSP thanks for the message...on iskcon problems there are no objections.... on the solution there are ...that of leaving ...where you go?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">1) you don't solve the problem but you avoid it<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">2) if you care about the mission what is the point of leaving to do what? (Sitting at home behind a keyboard throwing poop left and right?)<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">3) the solution is to stay do the best of ourselves (singing the rounds etc...) to satisfy SP ...then who / what does this or that is their (karma) business.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />4) as we have an eternal personal relationship with Sri Krishna so we have to develop an eternal individual personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada regardless of our neighboring roommates then in the end ... moral of the story our Yamaharaj sees what we have done not what others have done...so we stay within and give inspiration and try to be role models thank you very much. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Ys<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This is another response from Prabhupada Desh, Italian temple president:<br />Guru Charana dasa: Please don't send me any more of your material because I have no interest in it. Over the years I have learned that continuing to look for faults instead of good qualities in devotees does not give any spiritual benefit. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">I prefer to use the time to do something useful for Srila Prabhupada's pleasure.<br />So if you keep sending other things (the usual rumors we have known for years) I will be forced to block you. (on whatt'sapp) On the other hand, if you are interested in hearing other points of view with an open mind and without prejudice I am available to meet with you.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=========</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">KULI DISCUSSION UPDATE</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AD: Especially for females in midlife, it’s no longer optional to Mother and birth ourselves. It’s a must! How the F*ck do we begin!?! I feel, see and lift you, in love. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Pictures are so rare. This one is when I’m 3 years old, right before I was kidnapped so I could be raised as a devotee. I’m learning to love her, the old Me.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />PH: I'm sorry for all you went through BUT I fully support your courage in speaking out in this manner and for choosing how you will deal with your past reality. In my opinion you've certainly come out on the right and bright side of things and are a fine example of true spirituality and community. And with the next week in sight, Hara Hara Maha Dev!<br /><br />TC: I'm so proud for you to not only help bring these atrocities to light, but choosing to courageously withhold your own historical account until it can be released to the world as just that ... a proper historical documentary of what transpired, not some gross misconstrued fantasy. You survived through some heavy childhood trauma, which will take so much healing throughout the rest of our lifetimes to find a bit of peace from. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Gabor Maté does some phenomenal trauma work, and I wonder if by some miracle we could have his assistance with helping you on your healing journey. I'm here with you, every step of your journey. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">RB: About 20 years ago, I sponsored about a dozen Gurukulies to go through the Self Mastery Workshop here in California. It was intensely healing for all of them. It was perhaps one of the most worthwhile things I did while married to K.<br /><br />Now that I'm retired from my business dealings, it is time to start up these workshops again. Also, about 20 years ago, I was planning on participating with Dhira Govinda Das in developing his workshops which, although I couldn't extract myself from my business at the time, have been extremely helpful to that deeply wounded generation.<br /><br />This is something I would like to facilitate as I move into my last phase of life. All of the souls that took birth in this movement are special indeed, and deserve the highest possible quality of life available to them. It is intolerable to me to see their faith destroyed by sick individuals who could not control themselves. Anyone reading this is welcome to contact me to see how this can be facilitated. It takes a village to raise a child, and sometimes, it takes a village to heal their wounds as well.<br /><br />Sending peace, love, and blessings!<br /><br />A Kuli: Thank you for your care, now and then. You've always been one to seek ways to help and I sincerely appreciate you. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">RB: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Craig Joseph I'm sorry to hear that you have been in hospital. I hope your health is improving steadily and rapidly! Thank you so much for your encouragement and wisdom, Prabhu!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Nanda Kumar / Craig Joseph is evidently avoiding me. He said that he was there in 1977 when all the leaders were laughing like hyenas as Srila Prabhupada was departing, and he knew something very sinister was taking place. So he had to either attack them, or leave, and he left. Yep, most of the people who knew about bad things going on -- just walked away and left, and that allowed the bad things to get worse. Including evidently, poisoning of the pure devotee. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />I recently have been taking shelter of the memory videos of the devotees" pastimes with Srila Prabhupada. Yours are especially heartfelt and I had been meaning to thank you!<br /><br />What I concluded is that because he is so dear to Krishna, Srila Prabhupada's pastimes are also ever fresh, and I can listen to the same stories again and again and feel renewed inspiration. Thank you again for sincerely sharing your time with him. You are touching many devotees' hearts - and mine as well!<br /><br />TD: The sad thing is the past has been buried from the new generation. No one talks about it because you'll be branded as a fault finder or being criticizing and of course ur association is avoided. Also they is still the denial that it didn't happen the way the abused will talk about it. The horrible part for me is when people who wasn't around the movement as yet talk as if they know exactly what happened.<br /><br />I truly feel for those who suffered I know of some and are friends with a few. There are still abusers going around in different ways. I've always said Iskcon is an abusive organization. Be it physically, verbally or in the way we deal with each other.<br /><br />I have known you for some time and I applaud your strength and courage. I pray that Sri Krsna continue to give you the strength and protection to carry on.....<br /><br />A Kuli: THIS!!!THIS is so important that someone from my generation does not have to say! THANK YOU!!! Yes, we have experienced this our whole lives ... that if we speak up, we are crazy, that we are not good association, that we are creating the most spiritual suicide by being critical, ('vaishnav aparad') by speaking the truth about their behavior. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">When I was there after I graduated from college, the head Swami of the place told me exactly these words "we are going to write a book to re write the history of this place" I cringed. ... he was speaking honestly to me, in confidence, because he thought I was somehow still trying to protect the secrets of the place. I lost all respect at that time, and didn't think it was possible...but here we are. Truly a tragedy in the name of Srila Prabhupada and his some of the real devotees.<br /><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Same problem we are having with some of the so-called ritviks, they are challenging my version of history, but unfortunately, that is not going to work for them. If anything, the PADA version is gaining momentum all the time.</span><br /><br />NV: Radhe Radhe!<br /><br />YV: Respect to you for your bravery in speaking the truth!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">MJ: I'm glad we kept our children in regular schools and at home, close to us. I pray for your healing!<br /><br />MT: It wounds the heart to learn of these crimes ...<br /><br />DM: Oh, Dear-hearted… I want to hold you in this… hold space for you. I’m looking forward to Space opening up in my life so we can commune. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">CM: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I hope you tell your own story when the time is right, and are met in attuned compassion in the process. In the pieces I have heard, it’s amazing the grace and beauty and reclamation of spirit as your own that you have accomplished divine child essence. Love all the time.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />A Kuli: Thank you sweet heart! Your blessings, so thoughtful, poignant and heart felt bless you and thank you again.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SW: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Hey, I’m sorry to hear that. If you’d like to DM me with information such as what state you or a friend reside in; which insurance; etc, I can help you find competent clinicians.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />OZ: www.thework.com was the best thing I found to liberate me from the past<br /><br />The Work of Byron Katie<br /><br />THEWORK.COM<br /><br />SB: My great love to you. I know all too much about it, despite having not been there and getting out of the Joya cult when I was one years old, those who stayed in, was very bad and all around my childhood peripherally. Silence is complicity. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AM: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">What a beautiful girl you were. What an amazing woman you have become. I hope you will find a good guide to help you heal the hurts of your past. I’ve had excellent therapists through BetterHelp.com perhaps explore there? All blessings to you, sweet songbird…</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />BetterHelp | Professional Therapy With A Licensed Therapist<br /><br />BETTERHELP.COM<br /><br />GD: I’m so sorry Didi, sending so much love and hugs.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AK: Sending you lots of Love, my big sister who I always fought with, probably because we had no mother or role models for nurturing, sweet. loving kindness, sharing and / or compassion. Think of you often and pray for your healing. I am so grateful to Amma for how She has mothered and nurtured me to the extent my hardened little girl has been able to receive after going thru all that.<br /><br />=================</span></div></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0jo77VPMrCEBUBCwV4q7RZuTCDkFjMlI6Dl0HLxDwOptyI9Hq-Wiqk0kZzn6HLUgBh1uqvy3ve1wFotk8KUd_2PNQRloi6VZE195rLAfIzl9JqO8gULSUfw7mA0ki_4PzqZbsZJI8I1oPxs36olE8RAVuUyDeupRX6eTfe7e63AEsxRJAZY6CcGF71Rp1/s857/prabhupada%20poison.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="857" data-original-width="720" height="678" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0jo77VPMrCEBUBCwV4q7RZuTCDkFjMlI6Dl0HLxDwOptyI9Hq-Wiqk0kZzn6HLUgBh1uqvy3ve1wFotk8KUd_2PNQRloi6VZE195rLAfIzl9JqO8gULSUfw7mA0ki_4PzqZbsZJI8I1oPxs36olE8RAVuUyDeupRX6eTfe7e63AEsxRJAZY6CcGF71Rp1/w571-h678/prabhupada%20poison.jpg" width="571" /></a></div></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-37753672914409079622024-03-12T18:56:00.000-07:002024-03-13T07:01:23.487-07:00Purushottama Das / On Unity / On Prasadam / Missing Tapes 03 12 24<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBNSOpNsK8oGbYtnrf6eescjCXAhw7KW6SAK47NqC9TWnr6UPN3-U1UbXt20_m2nyt4hx4kIZKObMSkeDNaqQIEy8OBInhy4U6cR2lIMQv_Ky16TPjGrLEJUZDY-aRyaL1les1mK44B6-xKFN_A20-HtdgRcSoXN1xXI0BsOEcuiqBCS1oAlO5vYOn7Wy9/s1080/purushottama.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1080" data-original-width="1080" height="449" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBNSOpNsK8oGbYtnrf6eescjCXAhw7KW6SAK47NqC9TWnr6UPN3-U1UbXt20_m2nyt4hx4kIZKObMSkeDNaqQIEy8OBInhy4U6cR2lIMQv_Ky16TPjGrLEJUZDY-aRyaL1les1mK44B6-xKFN_A20-HtdgRcSoXN1xXI0BsOEcuiqBCS1oAlO5vYOn7Wy9/w449-h449/purushottama.jpg" width="449" /></a></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>Wednesday 13 March 2024 <br /><br /></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Appearance of Sri Purushottama dasa Thakurśrī-sadāśiva kavirāja--baḍa mahāśaya </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">śrī-puruṣottama-dāsa--tāṅhāra tanaya</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"The twenty-third and twenty-fourth prominent devotees of Nityānanda Prabhu were Sadāśiva Kavirāja and his son Puruṣottama dāsa, who was the tenth gopāla."<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta » Ādi-līlā 11.38 | 1973 Edition) <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">ājanma nimagna nityānandera caraṇe<br />nirantara bālya-līlā kare kṛṣṇa-sane<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"Since birth, Puruṣottama dāsa was merged in the service of the lotus feet of Lord Nityānanda Prabhu, and he always engaged in childish play with Lord Kṛṣṇa."<br />(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta » Ādi-līlā 11.39 | 1973 Edition)<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Śrīla Prabhupāda: "[...] Puruṣottama dāsa Ṭhākura sometimes lived at Sukhasāgara, near the Cākadaha and Śimurāli railway stations. All the Deities installed by Puruṣottama Ṭhākura were formerly situated in Beleḍāṅgā-grāma, but when the temple was destroyed the Deities were brought to Sukhasāgara. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">When that temple merged in the bed of the Ganges, the Deities were brought with Jāhnavā-mātā's Deity to Sāhebaḍāṅgā Beḍigrāma. Since that place also has been destroyed, all the Deities are now situated in the village named Cānduḍe-grāma, which is situated one mile up from Pālapāḍā, as referred to above."<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta » Ādi-līlā 11.39 » Purport | 1973 Edition) <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"Śrīla Prabhupāda: "[...] The son of Sadāśiva was Puruṣottama Ṭhākura, and his son was Kānu Ṭhākura. The descendants of Kānu Ṭhākura know him as Nāgara Puruṣottama [...] Both Puruṣottama Ṭhākura and Kānu Ṭhākura had many disciples from brāhmaṇa families. Most of the disciplic descendants of Kānu Ṭhākura now reside in the village named Gaḍabetā, by the River Śilāvatī, in the Midnapore district."<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">(Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta » Ādi-līlā 11.40 » Purport | 1973 Edition)</span><span style="font-family: verdana;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">KILL GURU AND BECOME GURU</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">If anyone would like a free copy of Prabhupada Truth Commission's digital book Kill Guru Become Guru- Poisoning the Greatest Modern Day Saint, with all the facts and evidence on the matter, drop me a request at <b>srigovinda@gmail.com</b><br /><br />==============</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">UNITY IS NEEDED<br /><br />PD: Thanks RM prabhu for your suggestion, we should unify the devotees. Great idea, I am all for it. However, I really did not start this particular conflict with other "Prabhupada" devotees. Krishna Kant's IRM announced that he wanted me to work under Jayapataka's control and go to the Caribbean on the Mayapur payroll, without consulting me. Then he started to complain I am not cooperating. Well maybe they should ask me if I am interested in cooperating with Jayapataka before they sign me up. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And now the Prabhupadanuga EU are upset I am not in the Krishna Kant camp, same camp that wanted me to help Jayapataka cover up the Mayapur child abuse, the poison issue and other crimes. OK so these folks are compromisers still tethered to the GBC's gurus, like Jayapataka. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They have no idea the rest of the world has moved on from there a long time ago. For example Krishna Kant still says on his site he has defeated the "poison theory" and Prabhupadanuga EU is still advertising him, but there is no evidence the poison issue has been "defeated"? In other words they are still defending the Judas group of poisoners. No, the poison issue was never "defeated," and it is being accepted by more people all the time, including ex-IRM folks, GBC folks, Gaudiya Matha folks and even the media people asked me about it just now.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div class="separator" style="background-color: #fff2cc; clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdtX2HtQaH06FMeTiNf5oPnKmkp35zwX8JcsGx9CRDwPEsBvpWItjle-bF7PXu1tYeYMMoj7hEsqzL_O2oYfkN6fDtBxStON86Ano6hnoDTeZkod32T544AZxJBuNrfaq-MtPV__X4wmEpIO5ExrOaxs4dfMH6E0nwOY1aaPwFnH10tXVaCdiIM_1n2ip8/s960/JPS%203%2012.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="960" data-original-width="768" height="679" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdtX2HtQaH06FMeTiNf5oPnKmkp35zwX8JcsGx9CRDwPEsBvpWItjle-bF7PXu1tYeYMMoj7hEsqzL_O2oYfkN6fDtBxStON86Ano6hnoDTeZkod32T544AZxJBuNrfaq-MtPV__X4wmEpIO5ExrOaxs4dfMH6E0nwOY1aaPwFnH10tXVaCdiIM_1n2ip8/w543-h679/JPS%203%2012.jpg" width="543" /></a></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /><div style="text-align: center;">PADA IS NOT COOPERATING WITH JAYA POTATO HEAD!</div></span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">So </span></span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">when I refused to cooperate with the IRM -- Krishna Kanta -- Jayapataka scheme, then the Krishna Kant IRM attacked my program of addressing -- the molesting issue, poison issue -- and he said I was bogus for working with Hansadutta to get the BBT rights. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">So he wanted to start a war, and he even said that -- "the IRM is going to war with PADA." Well yep, anyone who says we need to stop children from being raped and taking their lives has to be stopped, so they can save Jayapataka's Mayapur program, which they call the golden body of ISKCON. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Krishna Kant's IRM joined forces with Jayapataka to shut down the complaints about the molesting, poisoning, and book changes etc. Thus they have been working with the GBC, and the worst case of GBC, namely Jayapataka -- and not us. And now the Prabhupadanugas EU are promoting the same IRM folks, same people who wanted us to surrender to their Auschwitz for kids / Mayapur head messiah. OK so they are not even trying to unify things, they have been trying to force us to go back to supporting some of the GBC's worst case folks and "make a deal" with them.</span></span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But according to VEDIC principle, a person who is attacked has the authority to counter the attack, and we did. And so we exposed the IRM's connection to Jayapataka, and the IRM's compromise with the Jayapataka / Mayapur molesting empire, the poison Judas program, and the hatchet job book changes -- all the way back then in 1997. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The Prabhupadanuga EU people already knew that we have said since 1997, we are not going to work with Krishna Kant's Jayapataka scheme, so it is a little silly of them to keep citing IRM as their authority now, knowing in advance we do not accept the IRM / Jayapataka's compromisers as our authority. If anything, more and more people are more and more disgusted with the information coming out of Mayapur about Jayapataka's regime there. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Then later on the Prabhupadanuga EU people like Prahlad and HKC Jaipur began to complain I am not promoting their Bhakta das video -- and promoting Bhakta's Saint Radhanath program. And I am not citing Hari Sauri's writings -- who is Bhavananda's bucket boy, and I am not surrendering to the IRM and their plan for me to go to the Caribbean and be their Jayapataka stooge. Yeah, they wanted me to join them sitting in their Saint Radhanath / Bhavananda's writer / Jayapataka's Auschwitz for kids camp. Neine danke!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Then others took up Krishna Kant's complaint that we are destroying ISKCON, evidently because we oppose Jayaptaka's child rapes and suicides of victims program, and they started this whole idea "PADA is destroying the golden body of ISKCON" -- also because PADA is not in the Caribbean working under Jayapataka. OK but even the karmi police, FEDS, media, courts and really any average Joe citizen walking down the street -- already knows that a program that is banning, beating, mass molesting, suing and killing dissenters is not the golden body of God. Duh oh! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Add to that, this group evidently poisoned their master. That is not the golden body of God according to all regular moral and civilized people walking down the road. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And now many devotees admit, even Bhakti Vikas swami, the golden body of ISKCON is nothing more than a hollowed out -- shallow Hindu show bottle business -- there is no golden body there in the first place. So basically this is all a tempest in a tea cup. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">We are destroying the alleged golden body, which has no existence, it is a Hindu show bottle business scam. Meanwhile we did something tangible, we got hundreds of kids pulled out of their schools; and we did help reduce the suicides; and we did get some funding for the children -- who were sometimes homeless or living in their car etc. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And we did get the original poison tape transcribed for the first time by my Bengali newspaper writer friend. And we helped get the rights to the original BBT books. My critics are simply making it harder to fix these issues, which means they are with the GBC direct or de facto. So if they want to support that agenda, so be it. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Anyway we did something tangible to help victims. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">We also got the poison issue launched, and the book changes issue launched, by advertising these things in our newsletters. Again we got something tangible going. Meanwhile, the people who are attacking PADA have produced nothing substantial by doing that. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">What good has been produced by attacking PADA? Well at best, it has convinced at least some people to go back to ISKCON or join Narayan Maharaja. I fail to see how it is helping the situation. </span></span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">OK it is helping send people back to ISKCON or competing Gaudiya sanghas -- against the ritviks. It is hurting the ritviks program.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is why some people say they are GBC stooge plants, and they came to disturb the ritviks, and implant in their Jayapataka scheme to cause problems for the ritviks. I don't know, but their process has not helped the ritvik cause, that is for sure. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And the result is -- the GBC people are always writing me to repeat the complaints made against me -- made by these folks like: -- Prahlad, the IRM, Prabhupadanugas EU, HKC Jaipur and etc. That means they are helping the GBC guys, OK the Auschwitz for kids people. Again if they want to support and encourage that agenda, so be it. And that is why molesters and abusers are still floating around Mayapur now, these guys have acted as their attack dogs to defend that regime against our complaints. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They are giving ammunition to the child molester messiahs program, and the question we get all the time, are they doing that unknowingly or are they co-conspirators? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And yes, that explains why we have had such a huge problem of a large number of children being beaten, molested, raped and committing suicide. Because as soon as we point out that this child mistreatment is the problem, these guys make me the problem, and that is how they have co-created their violent pedophile cult. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And the fact they are meeting with the head leader of that cult, Jayapataka, and they have wanted me to make a deal with their Auschwitz for kids head honcho, really explains the whole thing to me as far as I am concerned. So there has to be unity, but if we have to unify with either the leaders or cheer leaders of a pedophile cult, that won't work. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">But in any case I am not worried one way or other. I don't want to have a unified program that is compromised with a pedophile cult, better to have zero program than that. Srila Prabhupada felt the same way, he could not unite with the Gaudiya Matha's factions, including the various reform splinter groups, they were all compromised and he did not want to enable them. And he told us that, avoid all of them. So we need to unite, but under the correct agenda flag. And if they don't, or won't, so be it. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">But we have many hundreds, maybe thousands of people, who agree with PADA on all these issues, and we are moving ahead with them. And literally hundreds of devotees are joining the child abuse forum every month, and some of the other forums, so we are moving ahead with or without these compromisers. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div>==========</div><div><br /></div><div>REAL PRASADAM</div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;">This was one of my original complaints. Srila Prabhupada says, "you become what you worship." So I said, if we worship a lusty person who is also taking intoxicants, as we were in UK ISKCON in 1979, then the society will become contaminated by lust and intoxication mentality, because the society will become what -- it worships. If a society worships lusty beings as its gurus, then the society itself will develop lusty consciousness, and that is exactly what has happened. All sorts of lusty and intoxicated situations began to sprout from that root. </span></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;">So when children are worshiping these same lusty people as their gurus, and some of these gurus are watching porno and so on, it will contaminate the children. There is a difference between porno or lusty art -- and for example seeing a woman breast feeding her baby. But if people are worshiping lusty beings, they can easily mistake a woman breast feeding her baby with lusty thinking. </span></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;">I don't think ISKCON is dealing with one of the root issues, we cannot worship lusty beings and expect to have a society that is freeing itself of lust. It is like pouring petrol on a burning house to put out the fire, but that will only make it worse. So if we tell our children to distinguish the real meaning and process of sex and marriage, and we are also telling them to worship a lusty and maybe intoxicated person, we should expect them to be confused, and contaminated. ys pd </span></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=========</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">MISSING TAPES</span></div><br />So much information has been hidden by a few unqualified and ambitious people in the very popular guru business. These people are using Prabhupada’s mission for their own profit, adoration and distinction.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Their cancerous disease is spreading through their followers throughout the world. <br />The current guru business in Iskcon and other groups is the great hoax in spiritual movements these days . <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Here is further evidence to provide proof that these are facts. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">“TWELVE EXAMPLES OF MISSING TAPES (Cont.)-THREE:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />SRILA PRABHUPADA ADDS TWO MORE RITVIKS TO THE LIST OF NINE </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">After Srila </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Prabhupada chose nine persons on July 7 to initiate on his behalf, which is found on tape, later Srila Prabhupada added two more to the list before the July 9th letter was signed and sent out. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">But there is no tape recording of these two additions, nor anything on the choosing of additional future ritviks. We know these items were discussed and recorded, as per the testimony of Gauridas Pandit das, an assistant to Tamal in Vrindaban in May / June 1977.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This is also mentioned in TKG’s Diary and by Tamal in his Topanga Canyon “confessions: “Later on I asked him two questions: ‘What about Brahmananda Swami?’ I asked him this because I happened to have an affection for Brahmananda Swami. So Prabhupada said, ‘No, not unless he's qualified.’ Before I got ready to type the letter, I asked him ‘Srila Prabhupada, is this all or do you want to add more?’</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />He said, “As is necessary, others may be added." <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The appointment of two additional ritviks (Bhavananda, Hansadutta) and concurrent details about Srila Prabhupada’s speaking and mannerisms is described by Satsvarupa (SPLila, Vol 6, p. 345: "That's all," said Prabhupada. "Now you distribute. For the time being seven names.” Then he added two more. "So without waiting for me," said Prabhupada, “Whoever you consider deserves. That will depend on discretion." <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Srila Prabhupada said nothing else, and after a few minutes Tamal Krishna asked if Prabhupada would like to hear a kirtan. Srila Prabhupada assented by a slight gesture, and the chanters, who had been waiting, came to join him. The next morning Srila Prabhupada added two more names, making a total of eleven disciples who would act as ritvik, or representatives of the acharya. Srila Prabhupada had not liked the idea of newcomers to ISKCON having to wait unnecessarily long to be initiated. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Now initiations could continue regularly at the discretion of his 11 selected men." <br />Satsvarupa used the available BBT tape of the July 7 conversation while working on his Prabhupada biography in the early 1980’s, but how did he know of the last two ritviks? Not being with Srila Prabhupada at that time, and with no tape of the appointment of the last two ritviks, how did Satsvarupa know? <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This tape of Srila Prabhupada adding Bhavananda and Hansadutta to the list between July 7 and 9 is now missing. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">FOUR: ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH NARAYAN MAHARAJA MISSING </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">According to Bhagavat Maharaja (formerly Bhagwat das), there were additional conversations between Srila Prabhupada and Narayan Maharaja on Nov. 12-13, 1977 that are not found in the existing audio recordings. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Bhagavat Maharaja has written an essay that gives specific, multiple, and convincing evidence and arguments to validate that these talks occurred. But the tape(s) of these conversations do not exist today. <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">FIVE: WITNESS WHO HEARD OVER A DOZEN TIMES ABOUT RITVIK SYSTEM </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Ameyatma das testified he was told by Pita das that in Vrindaban he heard Srila Prabhupada in mid-1977 speaking at least a dozen times about future initiations via ritvik representatives: “One other thing he mentioned in the same letter was that he heard Srila Prabhupada say many </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">times in Vrndavana in 1977 that initiations would be performed after his departure by the "ritvik acharya...” </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Pita das’ assertion is confirmed by Gauridas Pandit’s testimony. Where are these missing tapes?” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.328)</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Pita dasa told me he knew that Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned in 1977, but he was too terrified to discuss it openly. He was shocked that I would just go ahead and bring it out, he thought I would not survive another 24 hours. He was still trying to bring the issue out in some sort of India court just before he departed. And he was really upset with himself for hiding the information, he felt he had let down his guru. Very sad, but he really encouraged me and that was very nice.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-83488004694289392402024-03-11T07:44:00.000-07:002024-03-11T13:27:24.614-07:00The ISKCON Illuminati / Poison Theory Debunked / Vedabase Offering 03 11 24 <p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEig-FcHZ7dJHQJ9u7OAmzUro0oao-uzuI51ZggcMwuDsYTmAFyfQbgfELlLiLwAxW1y5_l8w-H6KwTTlWZ2xgrwbk4EBbVuMdJhRzetQaGjW4WXJ53XQlBZuZeJ7pU-uL4sh2bf5r4kJm6DYIZk9gkMw2Zruwus31t3P_B-Uej763ni0dWJGp_F6vGkaRaf/s369/Screenshot%202024-02-19%20182729.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="269" data-original-width="369" height="329" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEig-FcHZ7dJHQJ9u7OAmzUro0oao-uzuI51ZggcMwuDsYTmAFyfQbgfELlLiLwAxW1y5_l8w-H6KwTTlWZ2xgrwbk4EBbVuMdJhRzetQaGjW4WXJ53XQlBZuZeJ7pU-uL4sh2bf5r4kJm6DYIZk9gkMw2Zruwus31t3P_B-Uej763ni0dWJGp_F6vGkaRaf/w452-h329/Screenshot%202024-02-19%20182729.png" width="452" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Illuminati Motto:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Save the buildings and money!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Not the children!</span></div><p></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Myself, a former ISKCON adult member, and two ex-kulis, were discussing how ISKCON has been so much obsessed with saving "the Golden Body of ISKCON buildings and assets" -- they allowed mass child abuse to continue in the hopes that it would "save ISKCON." Yet, by allowing the children to be sacrificed, and a ton of other crimes to run rampant, they did not save anything -- including ISKCON -- its children or its buildings. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Rather they turned ISKCON into an empty ghost town -- or at best a Hindu cultural hall program -- with no connection to the actual teachings of Krishna. And they created a wave of ex-children victims who are now complaining about the religion and bringing forward horror stories of how they were mistreated -- which is a natural and fully expected result. We cannot sell a bad product and expect good customer reviews.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And someone told me, as soon as the ISKCON salaries stop -- the buildings would actually be vacated overnight -- and would be completely empty. Almost the whole ISKCON operation has become a salaried business, with few sincere volunteers. And more of the sincere volunteers are leaving. We just got a report where almost the entire congregation is quitting an ISKCON center now. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Someone else told me -- there are hardly any "Prabhupada books" on the book table at their temple, and pretty soon -- there will be none. They might have saved the building, but it is not being used for Prabhupada's purposes. And another person told me their temple president is an angry misogynist and demanding jerk, but they can't do anything about it, because he is on the GBC payroll. And so the congregation is drying up and leaving gradually. Saved the building -- for what?</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">One of the people in that conversation said -- there are some devotees who are fixated on "The Evil Illuminati" and how terrible that secret cabal is! But they said -- these devotees follow the whole Illuminati principle of the "save the assets and buildings and let the children suffer." Yep, like many GBC and their defenders like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Naranarayan / Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU folks. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Their policy is -- to allow children to continue to be starved, beat, raped ... and commit suicides ... to save "ISKCON's Golden Body buildings." Save the buildings, not the people inside the buildings. And these guys have told me that -- over and over and over -- we cannot stop the abuse, beatings, rapes and suicides, because then, WE will lose OUR Golden Body of buildings! Illuminati code book 10.24. Of course Prabhupadanuga EU / Prahlad das friend Bhakta Peter told me "they love children," umm which is why they want to have children suffer and die?</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Therefore my guest said, these guys are the Illuminati of ISKCON! They want to toss children under the bus, to save their precious Illuminati Golden Temple business buildings. The actual mundane world Illumintati deviants are ALSO only interested in material acquisition, financial gains like money and buildings, at the expense of the citizens. And these guys are 100% of the same diabolical psychopath mentality, agenda and breed. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Us victims, the ISKCON children, have had to be sacrificed -- to save the Golden Body of their money and buildings. And similarly, children all over the world are being sacrificed to help the big world leading industrialists and so-called Illuminati leaders -- to help them make material progress and big buildings. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">There are -- in fact -- so many millions or even billions of children suffering all over the planet -- because of the evil or Kali Yuga child exploiting process going on all over the planet. And yet the problem does not even register on the radar of these Illuminati leaders -- as a problem, because they are rock hearted asuras or non-devotees of God.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And it is the same thing with these ISKCON-ism guys. When I told Prabhupadanuga EU's shiksha guru Krishna Kant -- the ISKCON children are being starved, beaten, molested, raped and then committing suicide -- what was his response? "Well yes -- we all know by now that is happening, but WE cannot lose OUR buildings and OUR money." Oh so you admit that the buildings -- where all these children are being </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">starved, beaten, raped ... and then committing suicide -- are YOUR buildings, property that process belongs to YOU. Yep, OUR Golden Body of buildings. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX1GtrdxBZ21YiMo_x5fyOQ0fmkWK_Fo_2qZBAYQAiT_tYhfVZkQsRWXZxFdmzkFJ8YqpcE0fVZ4ndpqCSVcdJYw5-1qAqCEzqESSk2SunRNo7wbH55u-S-KEfiFqc9R0KqAPdQEHSbzfciTS3sJnRbPo9AXDZ0-a52eSvpbrREZDMWJJAEPXpr2BF1djG/s903/Screenshot%202023-07-02%20044040.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="903" data-original-width="511" height="735" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgX1GtrdxBZ21YiMo_x5fyOQ0fmkWK_Fo_2qZBAYQAiT_tYhfVZkQsRWXZxFdmzkFJ8YqpcE0fVZ4ndpqCSVcdJYw5-1qAqCEzqESSk2SunRNo7wbH55u-S-KEfiFqc9R0KqAPdQEHSbzfciTS3sJnRbPo9AXDZ0-a52eSvpbrREZDMWJJAEPXpr2BF1djG/w416-h735/Screenshot%202023-07-02%20044040.png" width="416" /></a></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-size: large;">Krishna Kant wants me to go on vacation in the Caribbean:</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-size: large;">with this guy as my special host!</span></span></div><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Good admission. These are OUR buildings. And thus it is YOUR program going on in YOUR buildings. Prabhupadanuga EU, Naranarayan, Kamsahanta, Prahlad das, HKC Jaipur folks and ilk, all say the same essential type things, "PADA is going to destroy OUR Golden Body of Prabhupada's buildings." Yes -- this mass child abuse process is OUR program, in OUR buildings -- so WE own it. Saves Yamaraja a lot of time! Who owns this Satanic program of children being </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">starved, beaten, raped ... and committing suicide? Oh, it is you guys, as you admit -- it is ALL yours! Well now you can enjoy the resultant karma of being a co-owner and defender of that program. You own it, and that is why you defend it!</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">However, we would argue, as any normal person walking down the street would argue, a regime where children are being </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">starved, beaten, raped -- and committing suicide -- and us dissenters are being whacked -- is Satan's house and not God's. But this is interesting, as someone pointed out, these guys are meditating all the time on the Satanic Illuminati -- so much so -- they have become the same mentality as the Illuminati they wanted to oppose. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Children have to suffer, even die, so they can save their Illuminati gold shekels and Golden Body of buildings. They became worse than the Zionist bankers they claimed to oppose.</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">As for PADA's editor? Well sheesh!!! If I step on a spider by accident, I nearly have a heart attack. Oh crap, I caused someone to suffer, or maybe die. I'm a gonna have to cry now. So what to speak then how badly I would feel if I was stepping on hundreds, or even thousands, of KRISHNA's children and sitting around allowing them to be </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">starved, beat, raped ... and committing suicides, without me at least trying to help. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And that is also why I have a glass cup by my door to trap any insect I find wandering around the house, to take it out, hopefully me saving some of them now -- will make up for the ones I trashed by accident in the past. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">But these Illuminati guys? They want to step on me, one of the persons saving the children from suffering and dying. OK -- I go to the site of the airliner plane crash, I am pulling people out of the wreck to save them, and these guys -- attack the rescue crew! Let the passengers burn in the wreckage! Bhakti Vikas swami even confirms that, ISKCON is a bunch of crashing jumbo jets, the passengers are wounded and suffering. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then to make matters worse -- maybe these guys will send me on a vacation to the Caribbean, under their Jayapataka plan, from which I would never return alive. And HKC Jaipur senior man Prahlad says he is going to send my photo to his pedophile guru clan enforcers associates, to have them target me for violence. Yeah, so they are not only fans of child oppression cults, but acting as goonda enforcers for that cult. Anyone who stops children from being beaten and raped -- is a demon. Yep, that is their entire mantra, ok it is an Illuminati program. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">In other words, they are defenders / enforcers and thug goondas of their program </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">of having children being </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">starved, beaten, raped ... and committing suicides. So when they are looking everywhere for the evil Satanic Illuminati child sacrifice cult, they forgot to look in a mirror -- to find one of its prominent members. Yeah, Krishna Kant is right, WE are going to lose OUR buildings. WE IRM own this hot mess. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">OK then fine, you are co-responsible for all the children being </span></span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">starved, beaten, raped ... and committing suicides after 1997, because you oppressed my complaints about this process starting in 1997. That means you co-enabled all the mess going on since 1997, and you own that karma of making MANY MORE victims. You co-own the karma of making that extra layer of victims, and there are many.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And you admit you own it, because you told me you own it, these are OUR buildings. Most GBC, Prabhupadanuga EU, Kamsahanta, Krishna Kanta, IRM, HKC Jaipur, all of them are basically the same, PADA is destroying OUR golden body of child oppression and dying children. WE own it! And did I forget to mention, after 1997, things apparently got worse in Mayapur in your guy's Golden Body of Auschwitz for children. Of course, the GBC as a group also owns most of it, but you guys are part of the karma package by being its cheer leader defenders. We had hundreds of children pulled out of YOUR Golden buildings, and you wanted them to stay -- and suffer. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">That means you stepped on the gas when we tried to apply the brakes. That means you co-caused suffering for many children. Anyway, the opinion of some of our readers and associates is, you guys are not just the Illuminati, you are way worse because you are posing as devotees of God, whereas the mundane business executives who run things on the planet -- are not claiming they are saints. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">If anything, they drive big cars, smoke cigars, drink wine, party, have bikini contests at their pool, eat beef steaks -- and make no attempt to appear as saintly. That means they are more saintly than you guys, because they are more honest, yeah we are after material gains, we are not saints. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">In any case, this is the trouble with ISKCON and their hand maidens. As soon as we say there is a child exploiting situation, we are the trouble makers and not their Auschwitz for kids program.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Sum it up! When we have a choice to save either a pedophile cult's building infrastructure, or save some of the victims inside the cult, which should we chose? The Illuminati will choose the buildings, the caring and feeling human will choose to save the victims. And if we are not caring and feeling, we are not humans never mind Vaishnavas. And when the police say to me, "these people hate your guts and they want to kill you, because that will save their crimes from being exposed" -- never forget -- one of those crimes is -- mass child abuse. But I am glad you guys own it, and not me. It is all yours! </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com</span></p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />====</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">KRISHNA KANT<br /><br />From: Mahesh Raja<br /><br />++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /><br />Krishna Kant and the IRM<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: Thanks for your questions KD: when Krishna Kant [IRM] wanted you to go to the Caribbean and go on vacation, under the protection, authority and payment of Jayapataka, did he not know this could be very dangerous to the PADA editor? Or did he know that, and he wanted to help Jayapataka help make you disappear, because he is part of the sinister movement? <br /><br />And the answer is, I cannot say for sure. Was he just ignorant and naive -- or was he sinister? In any case, he was clueless. Kamsahanta told me to go to the Caribbean -- because when I come back -- ISKCON will be 100% ritvik. So these guys had some severely overblown images of themselves, they thought they were going to fix things, and Jayapataka was going to help them do that. <br /><br />OK they wanted to rebrand Judas as a ritvik to keep him in power with a new title. Even if Jayapataka had a new title, nothing would have changed.</span><br /><br /><br />++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</span><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">KRISHNA KANT UPDATE</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Hare Krsna!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I remember a long time back having told Krishnakant NOT to get involved with trying to "defeat" the Poison Issue. But he did anyway. Then there were so many emails exchanges (I have them somewhere) that I was in with other devotees - who lost all faith in IRM. It backfired. They KNEW this Krishnakant's calling it just mere poison "theory" was just another edition of siding with the poison gang. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">You can NOT fool people when they have HEARD the poison tape. And many DID hear this tape. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">And now ADVANCED technology has made the whispers so CLEAR you can actually make out who is who. And ----- still ----- it is a mere "theory"?????</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/whispers.htm</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/pada.htm</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Hare Krsna!</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yep, Krishna Kanta was against the molesting issue; poison issue; and he told me not to sue the GBC over the book changes. And he wanted me to go to the Caribbean under Jayapataka. And that is why he is the darling authority of the Mathura Pati Prabhupadanugas EU, they are in bed with the handmaidens of Judas. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Defenders of Judas will go to the same planet as Judas, and that will not be fun. Nevermind defending child abuse and rapes regimes will not make a fun future either. Yeah, my ex-kuli friend said they are way worse than the karmis, who would never dream of defending such odious agendas. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">VEDABASE UPDATE:</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: OK I have no idea who these folks are, or if any of this works, or if it is safe to run and etc. Anyone who has some experience here can give us feedback. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I tried installing a "cloned copy" of the Vedabase some years ago and just could not get it to work properly. But it is important that many people have the Vedabase -- hopefully with original books -- so the works of Srila Prabhupada can be saved in digital format. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I think the archives people are being forced to add things to the Vedabase because they get funded by the GBC. Another failure of us "Prabhupada disciples," we should never have been in a situation where the writings of our guru are being given hatchet job edits and we had no power to fix that. Anyway, anyone with experience on these Vedabase editions can send us helpful hints. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 10:47:12 AM UTC+12 Brent Painter (Bhaktavatsala Das) wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mWC1r6uQBDz4V3DG_D9aJn7VjapzglNf/view?usp=sharing - 2003.1 Vedabase with 2019 update (and unicode) files download. Hurray Krishna!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mWC1r6uQBDz4V3DG_D9aJn7VjapzglNf/view"><b>Vedabase+2019_Update.zip - Google Drive</b></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 6:26:51 AM UTC+12 Brent Painter (Bhaktavatsala Das) wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">FYI, Crossover for MacOS installs the 2003.1 version of the Vedabase from the Download directory and can then be updated to the 2019 version by replacing the .nfo and .sdw files with the 2019 versions provide in the 2019 Vedabase version. The unicode feature can be added as for Windows. Jai!! AGTSP!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 2:55:08 PM UTC+12 Brent Painter (Bhaktavatsala Das) wrote:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Otherwise there's the Apple version of the Vedabase @ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bhaktivedanta-vedabase/id622201100 - Mac requires macOS 11.0 or later and a Mac with Apple M1 chip or later.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Copyright © Gopalapriya dasa, Bhaktivedanta Archives, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Price Free</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.jswami.info/vedabase-unicode-plugin/ - Unicode support is included with the Mac version and can be added to the Windows version for copy and pasting of the diacritic texts. Hurray Krishna!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Also Android version is available here for free:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://gitabase.com/download.html</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">The Lord has mysterious ways. I made that video year ago, not using linux myself.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfWuVhvMGjQ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">More tutorials on the yt channel</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfz4YULRm0c</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7Iea9F7RQ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"> </span></p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HC4_P_95hPM?si=GUZDt9Zn1x97OCEx" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p dir="ltr" lang="und">Today's Darshan of Sri Radha Vrindavanchandra, 11 March 2024.<br />सोमवार, फाल्गुन मास, शुक्ल पक्ष, प्रतिपदा तिथि, विक्रम संवत् २०८०, गौरबदा 537. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavanchandrodayamandir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavanchandrodayamandir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Krishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Krishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Radha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Radha</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HareKrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HareKrishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dailydarshan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dailydarshan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Darshan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Darshan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/divine?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#divine</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Devotion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Devotion</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RadhaKrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RadhaKrishna</a> <a href="https://t.co/vEhLvFxuzA">pic.twitter.com/vEhLvFxuzA</a></p>— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1767043278946320747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-55189018030237087732024-03-10T08:17:00.000-07:002024-03-10T09:06:46.321-07:00Damodara Video / Krishna Kant / Govinda Dasi / Suicide Attempt 03 10 24<iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Nyvst1oqyfw?si=bCGqjmZ6DyESt3Kv" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe>
<div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: We have to ask how all of the child molesting and many other crimes emerged in ISKCON, and the criminal operation appears to have been defended and protected by both leaders and rank and file congregation members. And many rank and file just "went along to get along" because they think ISKCON is "The Mother Church" which has to be defended at all costs, including empowering and enabling criminals to be the leaders. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Their video covers a lot of good issues, such as -- without leadership accountability, eventually the institution will fail. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And they also discuss how ISKCON has mainly become an "India Diaspora" program, with many of the temple presidents, staff and other leaders getting salaries. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And without salaries, these people would just leave. It is basically a Hindu show bottle business. And if we fail to keep the youth -- the so-called gurukulis -- we will eventually have a dying society if we don't already. And there is no outreach to support these gurukulis on the horizon. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And meanwhile the same leaders have been in power for 40-50 years, and are thus the same people who caused all the mass exodus of Western devotees in the first place, and who evidently turned a blind eye to all the crimes. So as long as they are in power, the concept of trying to attract Westerners back to ISKCON will never happen. And now, dependence on the India community's fund raising has become the almost exclusive form of ISKCON's function and economics. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So ISKCON is not a house that the whole world can live in, and which is promoting Lord Chaitanya's harinama samkirtana movement, it is basically a Hindu community and festival "temple business" program. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Much of the growth of Western membership, new and old, is happening -- mostly outside of the official ISKCON movement. So it is our job to make some form of grass roots alternate to ISKCON, or it will be lost. Yup. ys pd</span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"> </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">================</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Krishna Kant and the IRM</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks for your questions KD: when Krishna Kant [IRM] wanted you to go to the Caribbean and go on vacation, under the protection, authority and payment of Jayapataka, did he not know this could be very dangerous to the PADA editor? Or did he know that, and he wanted to help Jayapataka help make you disappear, because he is part of the sinister movement? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And the answer is, I cannot say for sure. Was he just ignorant and naive -- or was he sinister? In any case, he was clueless. Kamsahanta told me to go to the Caribbean -- because when I come back -- ISKCON will be 100% ritvik. So these guys had some severely overblown images of themselves, they thought they were going to fix things, and Jayapataka was going to help them do that. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">OK they wanted to rebrand Judas as a ritvik to keep him in power with a new title. Even if Jayapataka had a new title, nothing would have changed. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But I believed then, and still believe now, JPS was one of the worst people in ISKCON because all sorts of child molesting has been going on in his empire, and he is a suspect in the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But Krishna Kant gave himself away when he told me to go to the Caribbean and drop: the child abuse issue; the poisoning complaint of Srila Prabhupada issue; and do not sue the BBT because "you will aggravate the GBC." So he was basically telling me to drop all the main issues. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Mathura Pati of the Prabhupadanugas EU is thus advertising Krishna Kanta, because he evidently also wanted me to go to the Caribbean and drop all these issues. Are they foolish compromisers at best, or sinister hand maidens of Judas at worst, I cannot say, but they are not clean in any case. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">As shastra says, if we unknowingly promote offenders, we will still get a severe reaction. So he knew or did not know, but he supported Judas in any event. I am going on a Vacation in the Caribbean paid for by Judas, yes, what are they thinking? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">As for the Mathura Pati / HKC Jaipur</span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"> Prabhupadanuga EU people, they have been promoting Mukunda's video of Bhakta das -- who says PADA is making offenses to Saint Radhanath, who is doing great preaching. And the HKC Jaipur folks were sending me links to their Bhakta das video sometimes six times in the same day.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So they don't even know we should not promote the Radhanath groupies program of Bhakta das, a program that buries oral sex with young men in the motorhome -- in a samadhi. So all of these people are clueless. Then in adddition to promoting Saint Radhanath's cheer leaders, the HKC Jaipur began to cite Hari Sauri's writings, and he has been the main henchman of oral sex in the dham Bhavananda. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So all of this is called compromise, and that is why we are where we are now, and so many people were banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed because of these compromises. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But yeah, they are all upset I did not end up in a place like Haiti, hee hee. And you have to ask yourself -- why that is? Good question! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><br /></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7vmRbBvJJjbx0R6WUDCBhvc9dofwfCU4hoRotZmgI2xyXL4uHqY1pYZ4bINlbgXyQNemS6pVblOxNfw5ZR7SYd7qCAhOAGw88j71Pszp3jZUWXngV4jZuYInsWrzYqHWDyPynfN_jl_c_guVSoIuRe0MLYlCXwgjkyPnk4wn8zOPLP7NKkrudx-LBw47b/s366/cannibal%20gang.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="320" data-original-width="366" height="280" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh7vmRbBvJJjbx0R6WUDCBhvc9dofwfCU4hoRotZmgI2xyXL4uHqY1pYZ4bINlbgXyQNemS6pVblOxNfw5ZR7SYd7qCAhOAGw88j71Pszp3jZUWXngV4jZuYInsWrzYqHWDyPynfN_jl_c_guVSoIuRe0MLYlCXwgjkyPnk4wn8zOPLP7NKkrudx-LBw47b/s320/cannibal%20gang.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">===========</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div>By GOVINDA DASI</div><div><br /></div><div>WAKE UP CALL FOR GOUR PURNIMA</div><div><br /></div><div>It's time to wake up It's time to face the truth. You can't deny it anymore. The beautiful Hare Krishna movement initiated by Srila Prabhupada, with so many wonderful flower-like devotees, has been compromised, invaded, infiltrated and usurped.</div><div><br /></div><div>It has changed too much. Early devotees like me find the current Iskcon almost unrecognizable. Yes, the singing goes on and in many places there is still pleasant worship to the Deity. Some of the beautiful aspects remain.</div><div><br /></div><div>But the unpleasant parts -- the horrific child abuse, unnecessary changes to Prabhupada’s books, ridiculous concepts of management, knee-deep bureaucracy, and perverted social structure, are totally different from what Srila Prabhupada established and hoped would continue.</div><div> </div><div>The absurd parade of the so called leaders / gurus / gbc shows the world a farce. All this has spoiled the face of Srila Prabhupada's Iskcon. We need to accept that not only conditioned souls have no right to usurp a spiritual movement, but we must also acknowledge that rakshasas disguised as devotees have in fact invaded our beautiful Hare Krishna movement.</div><div><br /></div><div>The so called scholars arguing, most of them simply vying for pomp and pride, pollute our temples and expose their various views under the guise of Srila Prabhupada's Iskcon. And they are liars.</div><div><br /></div><div>The worldwide purge has begun foretold by the wise for centuries, their flames increase daily. Millions of people are dying, hidden in plain sight from the mainstream media. This purge is not just reserved for the world at large. </div><div><br /></div><div>It's happening in every church, institution, government, country and university, wherever there is deception and corruption. Iskcon is not exempt. Now we know. No more excuses. Ignorance is no longer a refuge. There are men who have invaded the beautiful Prabhupada movement and have made strides to destroy it: destroying the family unity, creating a hell for women and children, stealing the assets of Prabhupada's mission... Men who are sadistic sexual perverts of various descriptions, who have poisoned our culture of love and trust.</div><div><br /></div><div>These men are not our friends or sympathizers. Devotees, wake up These rakshasas aim to destroy the very fabric of religion and what to say of Krishna consciousness. It's time to stand up and refuse to be fooled any longer. Ask the questions, the answers are already there. In Prabhupada books. His actual books. Don't bite the bait anymore, even if it's well hidden by a shiny saffron-colored fabric.</div><div><br /></div><div>Gotta get back to the basics Back with Prabhupada. The original Prabhupada, the one we love and the one who worked so hard to establish this mission all over the world. Not the fake one, the one that is promoted as “just one more of the guys.”</div><div><br /></div><div>And you who deceptively wear saffron-colored clothes and brag about being gurus, know who you are. Look inside your soul, what you have become. Take your stolen money and leave. Go and make penance for the damage they have done to Lord Chaitanya's mission. The damage they have done to Prabhupada's sons and grandsons, his daughters and granddaughters. Go to the forest and make penance. And maybe, just maybe, you'll shorten your time in hell. Maybe. But I can't be sure about that. Just walk away.</div><div><br /></div><div>Your servant Govinda Dasi </div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Govinda Dasi had me kicked off the ISKCON history forum ten years ago calling me a ritvik snitvik. She said that GBC gurus like Swarupa Damodar and Bhakti Caru are good gurus. And I think she has been with Tamal's bucket boy Narayan Maharaja Group. In other words, she has been a compromiser. But in the end, too little too late.</span></div></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><br /></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: One person came to the Satsvarupa school and victimized children there. It turns out he was a victim somewhere else in ISKCON, and now he was a victimizer. But nothing was done in his place or origin, nothing was done at the Satsvarupa school, and he moved away to go to another temple, where evidently no one would know about his track record. </span></span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">So he could potentially become another victimizer in another place. Unless ISKCON makes a record keeping system to keep track of victims, victimizers, and where they are located, and where they are moving to etc. there is no means of taking control of the situation. Of course, if law enforcement had been called, they would have found out all this perp had been moved around and around in a system of webs and nests, and maybe some leaders would have been charged with trafficking perps, which is probably why they have not called in law enforcement in almost all cases. On the other hand, us whistleblowers are tracked very carefully, and they know who we are very meticulously. ys pd </span><br /><br />=================<br /><br />DD: Please ask maharaj why, 20 days back, one of his disciples jumped from train to commit suicide & now is in very bad condition, why his disciple done that? And why another 20 year old disciple jumped into well to commit suicide. He was caught masturbating and look at what they all have done to help this man. Prabhu, you all are becoming now days moral police & destroying own people in your own community. Fix that first, then talk of big big things later.<br /><br />RH: Mostly current its all hypocrisy, its all big money & big temple game. There is a big number game disciple scam. <br /><br />DD: BVKS and BRS are the only ones I think are somewhat believable Prabhu. If you have more information on them also then iskcon is completely doomed. Omk!!<br /><br />RH: I don’t know about BRS, but BVKS group is not that clean chit or very peaceful either for sure. I know there are internal problems with Keshvanand das & party. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Also I am not convinced they are only ones who are true followers just by following supposedly vanashram, or others talk yes only talk, here only. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I know one thing for sure -- human beings are basically liars and we find their lies and real actions later.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />So I got that & clear that all these groups have hidden agenda & weak n' low ignorant people follow them.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">========</span></div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p dir="ltr" lang="en">Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita, "Of seasons I am flower-bearing spring."<br /><br />Here are the different flowers that have blossomed in our Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir campus this spring season.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bhagavadgita?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bhagavadgita</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VCM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VCM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vrindavanchandrodayamandir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vrindavanchandrodayamandir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Flower?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Flower</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Krishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Krishna</a> <a href="https://t.co/wY0LnuahrP">pic.twitter.com/wY0LnuahrP</a></p>— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1766799302184034447?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async="" charset="utf-8" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-32971172169113237552024-03-09T06:16:00.000-08:002024-03-09T17:25:31.117-08:00Krishna Kant "Did not know"? / Malati / A Kuli Pt. 2 / 03 09 24<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNqzIkhQ-fgn0XvActfPaLyfgMsTKF1pI1Z1_u-zh7ge7FvYE8IMZ8266eGe8m1AMiRJpHT6B05XJQ7BXD6Hh8AxWXQgJh9hkLJZp_7vE-Uxa7sY3Ymn5MGvqkFUDIN9lLCt6YMS5aaJmuc4jwx0KM7PLpAld_jjFEFaKVgHSokXqS7AkR20Vpev_EEKzv/s406/lokanath%20indian%20thing.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="394" data-original-width="406" height="403" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNqzIkhQ-fgn0XvActfPaLyfgMsTKF1pI1Z1_u-zh7ge7FvYE8IMZ8266eGe8m1AMiRJpHT6B05XJQ7BXD6Hh8AxWXQgJh9hkLJZp_7vE-Uxa7sY3Ymn5MGvqkFUDIN9lLCt6YMS5aaJmuc4jwx0KM7PLpAld_jjFEFaKVgHSokXqS7AkR20Vpev_EEKzv/w415-h403/lokanath%20indian%20thing.jpg" width="415" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">Sexual Predator Gurus:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">"It is an India Thing."</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">Say what!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">That is what the ISKCON ICC people told PADA:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">Our homosexual pedophile guru parampara is --</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #ead1dc; font-size: large;">An India Thing!</span></div><br /><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></span></p><p><a href="https://fox59.com/news/national-world/liberty-university-to-pay-14-million-the-largest-fine-ever-levied-under-the-clery-act/" style="font-family: verdana;"><b style="background-color: #01ffff;">https://fox59.com/news/national-world/liberty-university-to-pay-14-million-the-largest-fine-ever-levied-under-the-clery-act/</b></a></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Oh my, big religion campus, you are safe here ... here we go again.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">=================</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks RD. You are telling us -- Mathura Pati / Mathias Sabji [Prabhupadanugas EU] "did not know" that Krishna Kant had "made a deal with Jayapataka to send me to the Caribbean." He would agree that was NOT a good idea. He does not agree that Jayapataka should be recognized as our authority. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Really? That seems a little impossible to accept, since we have complained about Krishna Kant's [IRM] plan to have PADA editor become the "paid employee" of their Mayapur / Auschwitz for kids / Jayapataka program -- by having me become a paid subordinate [on vacation?] of the Jayapataka program, -- since 1997. I was going to be the dependent -- paid subordinate -- of Jayapataka, that was the Krishna Kant IRM plan, and still is the plan, since they never told me anything different. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Even in 1997, the other Prabhupadanugas were warning me, do not accept Krishna Kant's plan to go to the Caribbean -- under the care of Jayapataka. "You won't come back alive -- that is, if they ever even find your body."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And Krishna Kant ALSO said he is "going to war against PADA over the poison issue." Why does Mathura Pati and his Prabhupadanuga EU pals always want to work with the people who defend -- Judas? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">As soon as we say there is a problem with Judas attacking pure devotees, these guys come out to vociferously defend the people who evidently poison pure devotees -- so they can get a piece of Judas betrayal gold and have a place in "our buildings" -- with Judas -- self evidently. Defending ISKCON's Judas club is not going to produce a good next life, guaranteed! </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">But all this makes sense. Jayapataka is one of the prime suspects in the poison issue, so Krishna Kant has to defend him to get a seat at the table with his Judas sabha mates. </span></span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then Prabhupadanuga EU friend Mukunda says "Puranjana is a mad man" also -- as soon as we came out with the poison issue, so he too could help Judas defeat us by discrediting us. Well sorry, we are not going to help these guys defend Judas, and their poison sabha pals. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The fact that Krishna Kant's IRM wanted me to work under the care and leadership of Jayapataka -- the Auschwitz for kids in Mayapur program leader -- has been publicly well known for over a decade. And this in fact has been well publicized all over the place. And then Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU began to complain -- PADA is not cooperating with Krishna Kant's IRM -- and thus is not cooperating with being under their Auschwitz for kids leadership scheme. Oh yeah, also hand maidens of Judas. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Many people are saying the IRM people wanted to "reform ISKCON," so they could take up controlling leadership positions there, and take charge of assets, and working with Jayapataka was required for their scheme to work. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And Mathura Pati is clearly with them, as he admits over and over and over by his promoting the Jayapataka compromised IRM folks. </span></span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I also simply do not believe they never got the memo -- and they "did not know" of all this. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">In any case, all they have to do is call me up and ask about it, but they never do. They just go on and on saying that anyone who is not agreeing to work with Krishna Kant, and thus become subordinated to their Jayapataka / Auschwitz for ISKCON's kids program, Judas sabha etc. -- is destroying ISKCON. Lets sit at the table with Judas and plot against PADA. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">So all of them have been working under Jayapataka's influence, because their plan all along was to make me Jayapataka's paid employee / subordinate / hand maiden. They never told me anything different ever since. Nor has Mathura Pati ever said anything different to me about this ever since. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And then Jayapataka said we are destroying the "Golden Body of ISKCON," by taking hundreds of kids out of their Auschwitz for kids process, and saving many victims from taking their lives. And then Krishna Kant and the Prabhupadanuga EU team became his best disciples, and they ALSO began to parrot Jayapataka's "Golden Body" statements. Their Golden Body of pedophile messiahs is simply not something I have any interest in supporting.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And they still are complaining that we had hundreds of kids pulled out of their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic "Golden Body of ISKCON." Wow, and Judas is also part of the Golden Body? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">But I don't bother to go to their sites anymore because they erase anything that tells the real story, it is another GBC hit job site. If they have any further comments they can write me direct. I said, since 1997, they are with the Auschwitz for kids program, and the Judas program, and clearly they still are, and thus they still are citing Krishna Kant -- who wanted me to work under Jayapataka, that is -- unless they have something new to add. </span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But everyone else knew the Mayapur program was mistreating children the whole time, because Sulochana said -- they are tossing children into a [Mayapur] wood chipper -- in 1986. Certainly Krishna Kant was well aware of that by 1997. And someone just sent me a clip of a video of some Caribbean Voodoo Horror movie, and they told me, this is what Krishna Kant has had planned for you! Hee hee. So they maybe did know this -- and didn't know that -- ok but they know now. What are they doing about it? </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">In sum either it is a good plan to have me join the Krishna Kant IRM plan and work under their Auschwitz for kids / Mayapur leadership / and Judas defense league, or it is not. And if they don't know the answer, then never mind, we will work with the people who do know the answer, which is 9999.9999% percent of all human beings. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I refused to join working under their Auschwitz for kids scheme and process, and then Krishna Kant told the devotees at the IRM meeting he is "going to war with PADA." No, the IRM are going to war against ISKCON's children, whom we are trying to get liberated from their Auschwitz for kids process. They are also going to war against Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint, to save their Judas pals. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They are going to war against Prabhupada's original books, because Krishna Kant told me not to sue the GBC over the changed books. And Prabhupadanuga EU says, we need to listen to the IRM, so they can save: -- their pedophile messiahs program; their Auschwitz for kids program; their Judas poisoners program; and their changing the words of the pure devotee program. OK same things Jayapataka wanted.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But yeah, if they have anything further to add, they can always write me and we can sort all this out. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">When we tell a "karmi" media person, police person, or any regular Joe, the GBC made an Auschwitz for kids program, they understand what that means in an instant. If we tell these Krishna Kant / Prabhupadanuga EU ilk people there is an Auschwitz for kids program, they have no idea what that even means, since 1978. That means they are motivated and that blocks them from realization. There is good news, many other people do understand these issues and more are every day. PADA is gaining momentum, and these defenders of Kali Chelas are falling back.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is why the GBC people are even now -- recently complaining -- again -- about the poison issue, because it is gathering momentum, and so is the child abuse issue, and so is the book changes issue, and that will not stop at this point. If these people are really Prabhupadanugas, they would join with us and help us and not "go to war" to defeat these issues, which is what their actual leader Jayapataka wanted. So Krishna Kant wants to help Jayapataka oppress us on the child abuse issue, poison issue, and changed books issue, which is what the GBC wants. And then Mathura Pati advertises them, because evidently -- he is another boot kisser of the Jayapataka regime. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is also why the IRM objected to us having hundreds of kids pulled out of their program and the suicides reduced, that was not on the Jayapataka agenda. Oh yeah I forgot, "PADA is a liar," exactly what Judas and his pedophile minions say about us all the time! Then Krishna Kant says we should not initiate anyone, so Krishna will not have any trained brahmana servants. And that is the same plan as Jayapataka, and the result has sometimes been -- we have Krishna living in a ghetto with rats, bugs, mice and cock roaches. Why is that always the plan?</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway if you or anyone else can answer these points, same points that have been raised since 1997, go ahead. I thank you in advance for making a point for point reply. My opinion is, the same people who are part of poisoning pure devotees, making mass molester programs, and changing the words of a pure devotee, are not someone we should ever "make a deal with" and have me sent to the Caribbean under their care. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7ufu01GvnQ1rgKBd8wN1JXkL5rnKk-uDg_BkXLMoRLQkkw82CzCYleA7gtalKuN-VNauKLsD4Mj-QpL3CSUq3iGJRiJncuuEdbDr-A5oxF8NnKaz1ddvRa9n2rHd1uERlfqx2IksYHhGAEFvNBR7n-X4Tu_42wZIccNho2ZDUMrxCnBg0m2ae70b8L8Xn/s661/jps%20radha.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="420" data-original-width="661" height="310" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7ufu01GvnQ1rgKBd8wN1JXkL5rnKk-uDg_BkXLMoRLQkkw82CzCYleA7gtalKuN-VNauKLsD4Mj-QpL3CSUq3iGJRiJncuuEdbDr-A5oxF8NnKaz1ddvRa9n2rHd1uERlfqx2IksYHhGAEFvNBR7n-X4Tu_42wZIccNho2ZDUMrxCnBg0m2ae70b8L8Xn/w489-h310/jps%20radha.jpg" width="489" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Let us all work with these guys!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">The Golden Body of ISKCON!</span></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">=====</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">MALATI: </span></p><span style="font-family: verdana;">AD: I would like to express my deep appreciation to <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/224991208562554/user/532472145/?__cft__[0]=AZV8yPK4XJYCbKGNvMgNA4i6F2QVRV55FidsHH4Rya6og89PhKuLPr15D6JboUlnSv6KxUAy3j6pPuDrrdXgUxD5C3AEpaiiXFlT2e3l2rahMtouOU6zDu6M_RPPHcVxPqCRrAX-cZRe-TlQs3qPGQBvRiha1y2zDnBSi7BOzila9LUFsNbpdXmtiIIjVHe5Zmc&__tn__=-]K-R">Malati</a> prabhu for her brave post where she voices her concern about the fact that Lokanath, a confirmed child molester, has been allowed a continued role of trust and honor during the current Mayapur festivities.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Quite simply put, ISKCON cannot move on until the past is adequately addressed. <br />But more importantly, until this pervasive culture of honoring and elevating known child abusers is tackled once and for all, Srila Prabhupada's children will continue to suffer preventable abuse.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Every time Lokanath (or any other child abuser) is offered honor or any position of regard in ISKCON, it reinforces the culture/idea that the protection of our children and the future of our society is less important than the comforts of high profile perpetrators.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">For more info please visit <a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lokanath.net%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0Bo11cn9vM5zLYqqlf3PjVzP8z7WU2UOAPEPdbuw72_TEysy-lk_RK5Y8&h=AT1aU8ZFd2Oo4GRJX-JjdBbvtGuhHeHRncJW-Evqu8ui6DFkiKXBmVH5-2pjDzcDrxbJcyT6jbVAeu2oeu-uGYLRra2gCvYSnKhx8PYG1zWqwN7cN4KVIVhkgB1Y0ZEySj4MWSADDg021bggYQ&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT2FBhnlxqDZGDCO0UZfW-TVauvUec7Imiluvh81-y_am6hDZ0YNgrnhcaq7sa9ehIVgxO9ODPbnqUKW8MuS7hdc-Zx-2brNxNfL6dK-FfWlUkVN7RSBflte8inslZ7fG2Da9LXEkhVxE5-QGLY7dPNUQn4i3sQtu_1wC0XlohTT7LJ0juo3VASbxR-wJBpgnZgS28meJDy13FdS2EOIN4c">www.lokanath.net</a><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Malati's post can be viewed here<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">https://www.facebook.com/share/p/HGzpwaka3k1v71k2/?mibextid=qi2Omg<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">P.S. These photos are from the recent celebrations in Mayapur Dham.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">====</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A KULI pt.2</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">BB: Years ago, I saw a documentary on Jim Jones and the People's Temple, and it left such a stain on my consciousness and felt waaaay too familiar. After that, I decided to be more careful about what I let in.<br /><br />A Kuli: Totally! I am super careful what I watch too! Can't watch violent films at all. And I understand how things feel familiar and you just instinctively know...'get away.' <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SR: What a sweet and precious little girl you were ... and that the entire first and 2nd generations were. I wish they had been cherished, nurtured, and protected as if everyone’s lives depended on it … because it did — yet everyone failed to acknowledge it and there’s so much therapy many have had to do if they were lucky. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">And so many unlucky ones who don’t get to. I won’t watch that documentary. I know how much things are so sensationalized, and I know that no interviewees ever get any assistance with healing. <br /><br />I gave up trying to be a good devotee years ago when I saw so much hypocrisy and misaligned values among fanatic hare Krishna’s. I figure that it’s more important for me to simply learn to be a loving and good person and become one, even if that makes me have to take birth over and over again. I’d rather not be in a race to go “back to godhead,” if it means cutting corners, bypassing and creating suffering for one self and others.<br /><br />Much love. Thank you for sharing.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SM Dasi: 100% agree with you. And Eloquently spoken as always.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: Thanks sister. I left on my own at as a young teenager; ran away through airports and fields of snow to get out of there, and the whole time I kept thinking ... I just want to be normal. I just want a loving family who puts family first and doesn't do horrible things and say 'its all ok, if it's for Krishna.' </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Meanwhile, I was getting more and more confused what moral codes were. Its so important to just be a good human being, and it's extra special when you honor the healing with your special ceremonies. <br /><br />SM Dasi: My gosh, I wish someone would sit down with you and write your story…bless you for your courage to run away! It sounded like the best thing you could ever have done, and how terrifying that must have been at that age … thank you for your kind words. I love CC so much because she reminds us to be self-loving and not self-deprecating and rigid.<br /><br />BJ: Sending tender respect & caring.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">OD: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">This moves me to tears. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">And it is puzzling to me. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I want so much and pray that you and any neglected soul will receive all possible support to heal whatever has to be healed. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I totally agree to SM about learning to be a good person. In my understanding, this is crucial for becoming or being a compassionate Vaishnava. Unfortunately it seems that not all were or are already able to just apply this basic rule to their spiritual development.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Srila Prabhupada said, that a devotee is a gentleman. And I think he meant it in the literal meaning of the world. Let all of us be gentle souls. If I have any healing blessings you have them all.<br /><br />M Dasi: I love you. Yes .... we were first generation of children. There is no one that can fully understand how demoniac it was for us .... how many people it took to make that gurukula run its abuse on us with them all cooperating. You went through some serious shit before you can even speak. That childhood pain. I use it. Its the soul in my meditation. All i can say is. I love you. I feel you.<br /><br />I am with you in spirit and in agreement.<br /><br />A Kuli: Thank you sister for your clear channeled heart and voice.<br /><br />AD: Thank you for sharing your truth. May you always be held in Divine love and protected.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DP: It always breaks me down to hear about the abuse that was so much a part of the early movement.... I didn't see any of it myself, but some of the management practices I saw were definitely questionable.<br /><br />I grew up in a couple of neighborhoods where pedophile perverts were active, thank Krishna I was protected from the worst possibilities that could have happened. but I saw some very questionable things... I try to empathize ...<br /><br />I could probably use some counseling, I know it's rarely available.. I've had to be my own counselor and I have done the best I'm able to with what I have... I'm sure you've done the best to tolerate the intolerable... I'm proud of your survival skills and I have the deepest respect for you. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: Your humble, kind words and truth are so appreciated my dear. Thank you for acknowledging so much and for bearing it all on your own. I do the same, only difference is, I found my own spiritual practice and I clung to it like my life depended on it. I wish you so many blessings in your healing.<br /><br />DP: Yes I suffered from OCD etc.<br /><br />V Dasi: Oh No words. Just love across the miles and the years. Your heart so good, so deep, so caring. So many travesties your generation has lived through. I’m sorry I didn’t know.<br /><br />KM: I love your authenticity to share this life experience in all its facets, with truth.<br /><br />AD: God bless you. So sorry to hear about this…<br /><br />A Kuli: One day, maybe I will be able to write about it. But for now, I'm just trying to manage how to handle all these emotions and memories for myself. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">LD: Hi dear one, thank you for this vulnerable share and I love love love seeing this image of little you, I wish for you to feel divine protection then and now and always. In terms of therapy my work for the past few years has been finding people therapists who take their insurance and specialize in their issues. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">I’d be happy to volunteer to support you in that way to find someone who’s a fit for you if you’d like to try again, and no pressure of course. Weekends are best if you want to reach out. All love your way, and to all the devotees children finding their way.<br /><br />A Kuli: I would love that so much!!! I had no idea thats what you did. I thought for some reason you were working with children. Please, I'll reach out. I would love this sooo much. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">SN: I wonder if part of your therapy might be to make a proper documentary about your experiences. Perhaps with the help of fellow cult survivors like Matthew Remski, who wrote a book called All Is Coming largely about the abuse perpetrated by Pattabhi Jois. I agree that finding the right therapist can take time.<br /><br />YM: Thank you for being vulnerable and speaking up. The arena of neglect and abuse we grew up in should never have happened. No excuses! With our tumultuous start, life’s a constant maze to healing, peace and loving ourselves.<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: There is no excuse for this abuse happening in the first place, and there is no excuse for the GBC and their Prabhupadanuga EU / Mathura Pati defender pals to continue to cite folks like Naranarayana das -- saying that their mass molesting / Auschwitz for kids program is "the golden body of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna." </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">That means they are trying to advertise their child molesting cult as authorized by Krishna. It isn't. And that is also why the children ended up thinking that Srila Prabhupada authorized their cult. He didn't. ys pd</span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Z8LVwUV0Xdg?si=EGTkR43NNb8y2ew6" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yeah, the women have had to organize their own trauma support programs, the men are missing in action. ys pd</span></div><div><br /></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-73408805464160010192024-03-08T06:56:00.000-08:002024-03-08T06:56:14.816-08:00ISKCON ex-Kuli And Comments 03 08 24 <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_rjX6sZiFVeOVYNBIDZlSpChDGCydZSaw0dfhRWlRhIMwTzlzVKPGjlSjqYrJaODIHdCGOFqzNCdwt8OhAlhmW5ncDAZ2KhUJA-8NfCnha80XYPQFdUpOKk6O8oSSFsH1Yr8I5ViC_qgGNdUcC7spAYOChLjgNJm4ENzfsuWd5OzKJ9ei9u2kM_Z9fR39/s1600/joker%20nath.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="1066" height="632" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi_rjX6sZiFVeOVYNBIDZlSpChDGCydZSaw0dfhRWlRhIMwTzlzVKPGjlSjqYrJaODIHdCGOFqzNCdwt8OhAlhmW5ncDAZ2KhUJA-8NfCnha80XYPQFdUpOKk6O8oSSFsH1Yr8I5ViC_qgGNdUcC7spAYOChLjgNJm4ENzfsuWd5OzKJ9ei9u2kM_Z9fR39/w421-h632/joker%20nath.jpg" width="421" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Bogus ISKCON and</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Prabhupadanuga EU's</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">"Golden Body of Pedophile Pooja"</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">[Lokanath swami second left]</span></div><br /><p></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">BK: Good - let them keep advertising their depraved, honor-less character.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Lets us simply consider and calmly think and present with rational articulation the implications; what does this say about their actual value hierarchy and how their choices make it clear what their actual character and role is.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">And let us all adjust our internal and external way of relating to the corporate entity, to those supporting it and thus refine and deepen our relationship with our divine beloved. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">We all have our unique role in this drama, which is our individual opportunity to establish, refine and expand our relationship with our beloved Sri Krsna, casting aside all other dharmas, from that central position, where only He is qualified to stand.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Prabhu (Sri Krsna), you know what is best and I surrender to your loving, divine, all-encompassing arrangements and I am grateful for every unique opportunity to play with / for you.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I have been beaten mercilessly by those I was told were your people. They invaded my body and mind and intellect and my very sense of identity. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Either I would become an actor for that force of degrading decay -- or I would have to go even deeper than my very name BK reached, to re-establish a path for my Atma to shine through.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Once that was achieved, I became naturally grateful for every part of it and would change nothing. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Now I can see it as an amazing waking dream, we are all in, in which our roles are instrumental for achieving our hearts desires. We are invincible and deathless and free. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I will still feel angry and helpless and pained and happy, loving, joyful etc, but now the whole spectrum is part of a larger balance, which clearly doesnt change or threaten me.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">And now just being alive with this perspective makes every experience nourishing to the refinement and maturation of my subtle body, into a seva-upayogi-deha. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">I am becoming eligible for more exciting useful roles in his Lila, instead of an NPC.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Good morning -- my thoughts.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Happy to be here with you all.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Jaya Sri Krsna!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: Thank you dear friends for letting me air my emotional heart out in public on my post. Many of you know, I have held a lot of my childhood days out of the public arena, and I had not intended to write on a public media platform the other day.</span></p><span style="font-family: verdana;">I experienced a reality check that the community is telling people that what happened to us as children never happened!!! And then I woke up to Facebook showing me a memory from this day (a childhood picture). I found myself lost in an emotional storm, and shared it here with a broken, confused and angry heart.<br /><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Yes, one of the problems with the child abuse in ISKCON is a lack of acknowledgement / recognition / validation from the overall community. Or, as one person who tried to commit suicide told me "most of the people in ISKCON are in denial." </span></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And this lack of validation of abuse can cause severe trauma in the victims, making them think they are "the real problem" -- and not the perps and the regime that orchestrated the abuse. And this can cause severe self doubt and self destructive behaviors --including suicides -- in victims. And this has certainly been the case in and around post-1978 ISKCON.</span></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Making the victims feel like they are STILL being ignored is also called "spiritual bypassing." All we have to do is -- ignore the problem, and it will disappear. Sorry, that re-victimizes the victims. They felt powerless and ignored during the abuse, and then were essentially told to suppress the abuse after the fact, to save the reputation of the mother church. And now many leaders are trying to act like none of the abuse ever happened, to write the victims out of ISKCON's history.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"> </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And the ISKCON "community" who are trying to minimize and deny the mistreatment of ISKCON children also includes the Prabhupadanugas EU folks like Mathura Pati. He has been quoting Naranarayan das -- who famously said in 1997 that the Windle Turley lawsuit is "attacking the Golden body of ISKCON." Yep, it is amazing, but not surprising, that someone would call assaulting of little children "The Golden Body of God's Religion." And then they wanted me to sign up as an employee of Mayapur, the head quarters of their abuse regime by having me work under Jayapataka, the leader of their abuse regime. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Number one process used by molester cults is to suppress, embarrass, and contain complaints of abuse and make the victims feel like the guilty party for making trouble for "the Golden Body of The Church." </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Wow, so these "ISKCON community" people, which includes the Prabhupadanuga EU folks, think that a cult that is banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating devotees, and is creating "industrial levels of child abuse" is -- "The Golden Body of God's Church." And they have been saying that EVEN AFTER it was revealed that there are probably several thousand ISKCON children victims. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">You are NOT victims of our Satanic cult! You are not even victims of anything, you are floating in heaven in the golden body of God and His Vaikuntha heavenly planets! And now you are making offensive statements about God's heavenly realm! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then their hero writer Krishna Kanta said the lawsuit would take away "our buildings" because he was working on a deal with Jayapataka to take over some of these buildings. These people worship buildings and money and not Krishna at best, or they worship Kali Yuga or Beelzebub worse case. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: I want to thank each and every one of you who cared to help me with these memories, by replying with heart support, to my post. I have received such love and support from so many friends, and for that I cannot express my gratitude. It especially touched me that one of my peers, a girlfriend who has been near and dear to me for over 20 years, and is a professional, immediately called and offered the most precious gift of therapy once a month!!! Out of her own pocket!<br /><br />I told her that these days of painful recollection I was singing old songs to myself to sooth my heart! (there are some real jewels out there) I shared with her that I might just make these very intimate songs my new expressions of music going forward. <br /><br />K Dasi, you are a true heart soothing sister! Phone calls like yours are for the mature of heart and deep. I thank you so much for being my friend. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">How a woman from the next generation can have so much wisdom and heart put together was a gift I never expected. Your letter will be framed in my home and may everyone who ever has to re visit painful memories, combined with denial of it, and a death in the family at the same time, be blessed to be held in the hands and hearts of community!</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Painful memories, combined with the society's denial of it ever happening. Wow, double barrel suffering.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: I truly appreciate each and every word of love that was sent to me. I am going to begin to write my book and I am going to see a therapist while I do it. Otherwise, it's like going into a snow storm without a coat on. I (we) can't do it alone. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">N Dasi: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Not sure what type of counselor starts with a 20 minute session , was that Just an intake session. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Sometimes it takes a little time find good therapist , have you also simply tried an online therapist… there many different national ones available …</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />A Kuli: 30 minute sessions was all that was available. Don't ask me to describe the state medical health system. <br /><br />J Dasi: My heart breaks ... hearing this. May They Always hold you in Their loving embrace ... while you heal those wounds so deep...</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: A lot of the GBC victims are still suffering, and it does seem like the leaders are oblivious to all the damage they have created for others, especially children.</span><br /><br />J Dasi: Oh my dear this picture breaks my heart. You were such a beautiful child, I just want to hug you and hold you and keep you safe. These atrocities should have never happened. It's amazing what a special soul you are, to have survived all this and have full faith in the Holy Names and Srila Prabhupada. I love you my dear. I remember you. Praying that we'll meet again sometime in this life. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">C Dasi: I suggest seeking out a seasoned therapist who lists C-PTSD as specialty and is versed in a body based modality such as somatic experiencing as well as CBT. You were a cute little baby. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AM: I love you. <br /><br />A Kuli: I’m so grateful for you.<br /><br />R Devi: Indeed … and what type of ‘silence’ but the silence that never stops crying, even in deep sleep!<br /><br />MB: The Ali Akbar College of Music wasn’t quite as bad, since we were adults when we joined, but after 12 years I had to go through a year of deprogramming and a sweat lodge with Charles Thom Senior, chief medicine Man of the Karuk, tribe of Northern California, helped a lot.<br /><br />SB: "Someone needs to write historically and stop protecting and lying for the 'gang' that ran the cult. It wasn't a pretty package, and it most certainly wasn't one guys doing. The ending isn't a neat little ending." TRUTH!<br /><br />I haven't watched any of the documentaries about us because I can't imagine them NOT stirring up stuff. I was fortunate to do therapy back in the '90s with two powerful women -- an Indian woman who helped me clearly see the difference between ISKCON and Vedic culture (basic, I know) and a Jewish woman who was married to a Bengali. They both made a world of difference. Sending you lots of love. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A Kuli: I feel EXACTLY the same as you ... I haven't watched the documentaries either. Neither have I watched the other ones on Rajneesh or Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini group. I felt the exact same way. Actually, my first instincts and words were....'oh, no, there's not enough therapy in the world to dig me out of the pit that would put me in'!!! </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">But my friends have been calling to discuss their interviews in these documentaries, and well, I might as well have watched them I realized; with just all the discussions going around. I usually find myself a little better off when I don't have to be revisited by it. Thank you for sharing your healing therapy experience. I thought I saw the difference between Iskcon and the Vedic culture, but then with these documentaries hitting so close to home with NV as the topic and all the names coming up that I had buried, its been a raw experience. </span></div><div><br /></div></div></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yep, the leaders are trying to write the victims out of ISKCON's history, and re-write history, but we cannot allow them to get away with that. And Yamaraja won't let them get away with that either. Anyway, for my part, I am glad to have been able to give a voice to some of these victims, and in that way give them some form of acknowledgement and encouragement. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Of course, that won't make me popular with the pedophile guru's lover's club members. Yeah what does it say -- when a known molester like Lokanath is still advertised as a saint? In the holy dham? Or he has been a messiah in the Prabhupadanuga EU "Golden Body of ISKCON."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">What does it say when GBC folks / Prabhupadanuga EU are still angry I did not work with their IRM pals -- and sign up to be an employee of their guru leader Jayapataka -- and their Auschwitz for kids program -- as they wanted me to do in 1997? It means, at least according to some victims, these people are part of a Satanic child sacrifice cult. The good news is, more people are catching on to who they really are every day. And I am glad to have had some little part in that process, because being silent is complicity. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Someone wrote to tell me that PADA has been the original "Save the Children" program for ISKCON. Hee hee, maybe so! No wonder they are upset I did not take up their offer to take a vacation in the Caribbean, I helped spoil their molester messiah's party. Anyway, all these victims coming out is a great thing, we should fan the spark of them coming forward, and make it into a big bon fire, and burn down the corrupt Golden Body of pedo pooja. </span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivcu34W1NWfR5SkGxWxEp4Xl-YSOI_Vel7RZdkpiEyoupIPkc3t5B3nA-TkqHv_CfXTIsLcZx9YHwQod5Lvn_PudmrS-QzvSxZ7-3tXpcz40Uca7jgogv65iIaiH_gLCHo8q3RstMPy6YKZWyGuRn54IrD5YKfV8QIpOnFCa985Ww-EgCwuaB1DPmYaIHY/s1654/bear%20witness.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1654" data-original-width="1654" height="556" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivcu34W1NWfR5SkGxWxEp4Xl-YSOI_Vel7RZdkpiEyoupIPkc3t5B3nA-TkqHv_CfXTIsLcZx9YHwQod5Lvn_PudmrS-QzvSxZ7-3tXpcz40Uca7jgogv65iIaiH_gLCHo8q3RstMPy6YKZWyGuRn54IrD5YKfV8QIpOnFCa985Ww-EgCwuaB1DPmYaIHY/w556-h556/bear%20witness.jpg" width="556" /></a></div></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana; font-size: x-large;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana; font-size: x-large;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-52950363810089032172024-03-07T17:37:00.000-08:002024-03-07T17:37:06.925-08:00ISKCON's Golden Body / Mayapur Update / Damodara Podcast 03 07 24<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiAoeBhI7Ea8tergsuuND3WlQcRxmfgPH4s7AVT_fTVzgIOgAQHTOJB0gqVqvKFxY5mj9YfKNnhx5Q1VTBSFNwqSFNRrct2RPYzOgFKkL5eIgiiM55s9nHu1MhaoDKgdrDJ_kTZy8-XSHPTqZmlKH1OQ8eSUfJ6T6UX-s82jCHlExo1MbNdsunsP5LvAM4i/s1024/431648265_3330659973909069_177503862280127283_n.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="474" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiAoeBhI7Ea8tergsuuND3WlQcRxmfgPH4s7AVT_fTVzgIOgAQHTOJB0gqVqvKFxY5mj9YfKNnhx5Q1VTBSFNwqSFNRrct2RPYzOgFKkL5eIgiiM55s9nHu1MhaoDKgdrDJ_kTZy8-XSHPTqZmlKH1OQ8eSUfJ6T6UX-s82jCHlExo1MbNdsunsP5LvAM4i/w474-h474/431648265_3330659973909069_177503862280127283_n.jpg" width="474" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;">We Were Created to Serve.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks JD. Yes it does sound almost like a strange crime novel that Krishna Kant and the ISKCON Reformers / IRM wanted me to quit writing PADA and "take a vacation in the Caribbean," with Jayapataka paying the bill for me to stay there. And that would have made me a paid employee of Mayapur essentially. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is because the Krishna Kant IRM "made a deal" with Jayapataka, without even considering whether I would agree. I was volunteering in absentia to be on the Mayapur payroll, without anyone asking me if I wanted to sign up. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And yes, good question, why are they all sitting around with the GBC's leaders to make any "deals" at all? And yes, me going on vacation in the Caribbean sounds like a good place to have me disappear -- without a trace. Didn't the IRM know that would be the logical outcome, me being gone for good? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The IRM said they needed me as a "bargaining chip" to seal the agreement they made with Jayapataka. But wait, isn't Jayapataka the main leader of the Mayapur program, which we all know has a bad track record of child abuse, among other things. And does that not explain why the IRM ALSO opposed me on the poison issue, because Jayapataka is one of the main suspects? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And perhaps that also explains why Mathura Pati and his Prabhupadanuga EU site have gone against me so heavily, because they are STILL trying to stop me from exposing the GBC's hero leader Jayapataka -- the person their pals wanted me to work with -- and the mass molesting regime and poison of the pure devotee program he represents. And they are really upset I did not agree to become a paid employee of their big boss Jayapataka, head honcho of Auschwitz for kids.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Good question JD. Why are these guys still in bed with the molester and poisoner guys after all this time? Because they are not actual reformers? Because they are compromisers?</span><span style="font-family: verdana;"> Because -- as some say -- they are GBC spies, agents and plants? I don't know, but there does not seem to be any good explanation. The good news is, more people are coming to the side of PADA. Yep, there is a child abuse problem here, a poison issue problem here, a changed books problem here and so on. PADA is 100% correct. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">I think what happened here is that -- at the time -- Jayapataka looked like the better horse in the race than PADA. He had the money, power, influence and mass audience at the time. We had none. So the IRM put their money on the Jayapataka / Mayapur horse and not PADA. The problem is, although our horse was slower, it kept going, while the Mayapur horse began to lose steam. They bet on the wrong horse, but people also bet on the Sridhara horse, Narayan Maharaj horse, the IRM horse, and so many other horses, that fell back. ys pd</span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQFdHoszhSIjG91584tVI9o1jR2RtyATQ8g8hpKaVttjJCmpw9LrWide3uwIxXhKdlF4J1-WGpnOzTzPMVZ4PkTTwGMCpPDfwRaCClG4vR-IwkkG490M6WOfS5-6C94zy_AHKi3h3IabYWSVdwLr-S90W9npzdT1-UGI4HUt4aLzIgtNe6J6Pp8EKWtu7k/s689/jps%20car.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="689" data-original-width="444" height="612" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQFdHoszhSIjG91584tVI9o1jR2RtyATQ8g8hpKaVttjJCmpw9LrWide3uwIxXhKdlF4J1-WGpnOzTzPMVZ4PkTTwGMCpPDfwRaCClG4vR-IwkkG490M6WOfS5-6C94zy_AHKi3h3IabYWSVdwLr-S90W9npzdT1-UGI4HUt4aLzIgtNe6J6Pp8EKWtu7k/w394-h612/jps%20car.jpg" width="394" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;">Our IRM Horse Lost the Race! </span></div><br /><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================<br /><br /><a href="https://madhavstore.com/?"><b> https://madhavstore.com/?</b></a><br /><br />Lots of goodies here.<br /><br />========</span><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><a href="https://www.gaudiyamission.org/centers/"><b>Centers – Gaudiya Mission</b></a></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This is a good site to find some of the little known temple branches of Gaudiya Matha. I think this group is part of the "Ananta Vasudeva Bagh Bazaar party." Unfortunately, they had misunderstood that worship of the acharya must continue and they made a number of false "living gurus." </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">====== </span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /><br /><b>“ISKCON’s child abuse cover up – Being a voice for the voiceless”</b><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">PODCAST: Episode 113 – Saturday 9th March 2024<img src="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/emoji.php/v9/t2b/1/16/1f399.png" /><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">We’re delighted to welcome Damodara Prabhu as our guest on this week’s podcast.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">A part of the Hare Krishna movement for over 40 years, he is a dedicated campaigner for greater child protection in ISKCON.<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Known for his commitment to protecting children from harm, he has been a strong voice against child abuse in ISKCON for many years. In this week’s episode Damodara shares his story – what inspires him to do what he does and why child protection is essential to Srila Prabhupada’s movement.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />We talk about the ISKCON GBCs institutional failure, over almost half-a-century, to stamp out child abuse, its defence and protection of paedophiles, and the damage it’s done to countless generations of (what were) faithful followers.<br />Damodara Prabhu is one of the campaigners behind the growing and influential Vedic Inquirer Facebook group. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">If you’re not already a member please check it out: </span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/vedicinquirer/?__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=-UK-y-R">Vedic Inquirer - Advancing Child Protection</a><br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This week’s podcast is not to be missed!<br />You can watch it:<br />- Here on Facebook<br />- and on YouTube at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@NaradaDasUK?fbclid=IwAR2cQnoovznuC5sZwkpGf2UyNLgo5eDTWnvkdNmsb_OcujaWxCIv2U338Rg">www.youtube.com/@NaradaDasUK</a><br />For more details about The Hare Krishna Project check out our website <a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theharekrishnaproject.org.uk%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1nBxlLjDbAkXjX81GaKdHj4tjFL0eA2QdVd5A8gcCepSUVN-6GgSn3Aqo&h=AT2QckZUc2ZrHR5WDKeGCwF8kBdRZAcrmFPJTXZRuIPXO_8cC0OLCzleA7nC_cb2ruR45XqW1ZTFcCoWw_unUhR9b4Ysswd-0sofRuvxPX4bj07B3a3Hmvw-tkWt3tnMajCJr-Eg0HZZ8zAOYQ&__tn__=-UK-y-R&c[0]=AT2MHOytsQhxrqdHvy72NFyRDKNJ4KOcoWRsZxSZneIEFOYcv7_8zwbnkfIFxrg6QdocP0nzBcH69alV8OeuSW26tMoe4zz1EuAIwABFkWTtsnoKB1OSsl1Ohe5xv9geDT_bXuKGFFVuU_egh_ohbrRGFbtoJAOIx-N0VI_RnpGgaA85uQSkxUdIcM27ULrX3OVvAh-sUKmQJeDFUYS3yfSr6dd4__YHu6Y4UHNTlQs7IFl8YLE">www.theharekrishnaproject.org.uk</a><br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/podcast?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#Podcast</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/theharekrishnaproject?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#TheHareKrishnaProject</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/harekrishna?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#HareKrishna</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/iskcon?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#ISKCON</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/childabuse?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#ChildAbuse</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/coverup?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#CoverUp</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/childprotection?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#ChildProtection</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/childrenssafety?__eep__=6&__cft__[0]=AZUImbsTBRsheAN9xtE68SHDhqKtA6gk2XPZz_NiwEkIiSzj4VoOIMHxizm-Q8SjkwxqjdspI6hobCh-KIFrY_tCI9fAxDIiiet_q1OwLoOwrC6J3kwEztVYLNN21DaQ799hMtRCILxdgpfyrMMtDcUKBa2BjZee6O9JLDUn7qFEmZdFAPxg3mUwmoQONCGso5WReTCgN6YeoBXVdk5ra2mQ&__tn__=*NK-y-R">#ChildrensSafety</a></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2JZajGvA2sZbuG0FF0Nc1Y29Xvl52Ge8jp7zB47-JaFmlv1TQMKBVItXkaG4T4VsbIu4OJ8Nx2qY8CmamPBvgXVBnaWthQeqRKMgaxh3EUfWdifx23t-iwIqvEEPRvZToE6XtwZMMcoNPdxs889q2AiJ8H4Nids7OVs7VciN1cGyMadLoocvZ4g2xtaHx/s2048/Damodar%20Das.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1448" data-original-width="2048" height="399" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2JZajGvA2sZbuG0FF0Nc1Y29Xvl52Ge8jp7zB47-JaFmlv1TQMKBVItXkaG4T4VsbIu4OJ8Nx2qY8CmamPBvgXVBnaWthQeqRKMgaxh3EUfWdifx23t-iwIqvEEPRvZToE6XtwZMMcoNPdxs889q2AiJ8H4Nids7OVs7VciN1cGyMadLoocvZ4g2xtaHx/w564-h399/Damodar%20Das.jpg" width="564" /></a></div><br /><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">==============</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">MAYAPUR IMBROGLIO</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />DD: In recent days, in Mayapur, the wing for Lord Nrsimha was opened within the greater complex of the Temple of Vedic Planetarium. Is this cause for great rejoicing? It perhaps depends upon one's vantage point. Her Grace Malati Devi Dasi wrote a post a few days back expressing her joy.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />RM responded:<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"It seems to especially love child rapists. Well not just any child rapists. People who rape Vaishnava children are especially venerated, loved and cherished by the leadership. As for their victims, that’s another story. The leadership celebrates the Hiranyakashipus of our movement and throws out the Prahlads.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />"I just can’t understand why they love the child rapist Hiranyakashipus of our movement so much. It doesn’t make any sense to me."<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">And that prompted me to write:<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">"On the one hand, all devotees of the Panca Tattva and followers of Srila Prabhupada should be ecstatic to see a gorgeous temple being erected in the Holy Place of Mayapur - in keeping with Srila Prabhupada's fervent wishes.<br />On the other hand, given all the crimes against children that also took place there on that very campus over decades - right under the noses of the ISKCON leadership - there is great dismay that the Society seems to have the energy and enthusiasm for such temples but not to make Mayapur safe for children.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The TOVP has a number of notorious child abusers "on staff" - some in quite prominent positions. What do victims of abuse think and feel when they see abusers strutting around the Mayapur campus with impunity? Do they all have essential skills that can't be found anywhere else such that the temple cannot be built without their input? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Or is this merely a reflection of problematic loyalties?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">You are right, RM Prabhu, to highlight that the newly opened wing is to celebrate Lord Narasimha - an incarnation of the Lord Who specifically came to protect a child devotee and vanquish his abusive father. And yet abusers are invited as guests of honour at the temple opening.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Would Prabhupada be happy with this situation? So many children supposedly fortunate enough to take birth in Lord Caitanya's movement but wondering "Why didn't Lord Nrsimha protect us?" And wondering "Why do the Society's devotees seem to honour and care about the abusers whilst we are cast aside, neglected, written off?"<br /><br />======<br /><br />PA: I met a Mayapur Guru Kula boy named Acyuta das from Nepal. In 1986 in Kakinada Andhra Pradesh he was staying with disciples of Kirtanananda and he told us how he was sexually abused by Bhavananda, Nitai Chand and Satadhanya Swamis in Mayapur, then he was kicked out of Mayapur for protesting. He said some boys like him had to go to a doctor in Navadvipa because of the injuries from anal sex that was done in secret by Bhavananda and others. I asked Harikesa -- my former Guru the GBC -- to investigate it, it was covered up for so long. And Harikesa told me to shut up or Bhavananda's disciples will kill you. Harikesha also covered up a molesting in Sweden, and when the Queen read about it, she banned ISKCON from ever having another gurukula.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">PADA: I forgot -- children and young men having anal reconstructive surgery, then having the doctors mortified to speak up due to fear of the ISKCON goondas, then victims being booted out and threatened with violence for speaking up, ok a few dissenters also had to be offed -- is what the GBC's groupies / Mathias Sabji / Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanugas EU / Krishna Kanta and his IRM folks / Kamsahanta / Naranarayan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur / Pancali / Krishna Kirtan etc. folks have claimed is "the Golden Body of ISKCON." </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">And they are STILL citing their co-group members like Naranarayan dasa, who says that their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic program is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." And PADA is against their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's program because he is </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">"destroying the Golden Body of ISKCON." Can't make this up! </span></span></div><div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0F9vFAyN0DWzo1Pfy6O84A4NO_FeQVxb3Z__WLtZ9qL2U7ryGAa6doOPwYiGgVo-JYNHoMObGkVh6hforHUoMgVtpNl0hgWuGIfecGVxZc8y-N6gW5u9fMGX72TBic1X-_mvnAyS9YvaC_GBL0AXe76jYpzCDjeAYyaN3XiVVKIRaPLepVTuFrnZfaDrB/s1000/Golden%20Body.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1000" data-original-width="493" height="826" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0F9vFAyN0DWzo1Pfy6O84A4NO_FeQVxb3Z__WLtZ9qL2U7ryGAa6doOPwYiGgVo-JYNHoMObGkVh6hforHUoMgVtpNl0hgWuGIfecGVxZc8y-N6gW5u9fMGX72TBic1X-_mvnAyS9YvaC_GBL0AXe76jYpzCDjeAYyaN3XiVVKIRaPLepVTuFrnZfaDrB/w408-h826/Golden%20Body.jpg" width="408" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">The Golden Body of ISKCON?</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: large;">Or Beelzebub?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">RD: Thank you BD for a being a rock to your daughter and others. You are what a parent should be - fighting for their children. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><br /></div><div>LB: BS doesn’t have children and hasn’t experienced motherhood . It’s unfortunate but in some cases (not all) childless mothers can tend to be hard hearted and even resentful towards children.</div><div><br /></div><div>TK: As parents we should be fighting for all the children in our society, not only our own. They are our future. Mainly the men need to step up. Again another woman speaking up. Where are the men protectors in Iskcon?</div><div><br /></div><div>LB: I try my best and have made many enemies and have been banned from ISKCON for doing so. But it doesn’t stop me. I was even chastised by our former GBC Prabhavisnu for attending a court case. Unbelievable but true. A mother and her 12 year old daughter, who was sexually abused by the TP (Prabhupada disciple) asked me to attend court with them to give them some support.</div><div><br /></div><div>TK: That's sad. How we dissenters are always told to shut up. Let's not bring shame to Prabhupada's movement. Let's me be transparent and shame these abusers.</div><div><br /></div><div>SR: Thank you mother AD. You are one of the few who are standing up for us, helping us fight to uphold the management to their duties and promises.</div><div>We love and appreciate you so much. </div><div><br /></div><div>SVD: Thank you Mother AD.</div><div><br /></div><div>CH: Maybe BS got a little confused mentally because of too much reading and editing Sivarama Swami’s books. I’ve tried to read a few paragraphs of those books and felt very bewildered.</div><div><br /></div><div>VK Dasi: Yeah. BS has been exhibiting this kind of threatening and gaslighting behavior for decades. I always wonder whether when she had that car accident and went through the windscreen of the taxi may have affected her frontal lobes. Research in regards to these types of injuries show that behaviors become more aggressive and more erratic post frontal lobe injury. Regardless there is no excuse for abusive behavior. Sivarama Swami would do well to distance himself from BS.</div><div><br /></div><div>TK: I hope she's not able to get a visa. This she be looked into by management. If there is threatening behaviour, then devotees should be looked into. There's been incidents were youth do something and then they have been pressured that they will lose their visa or have to work the Goshalla. Will she just away with her threats?</div><div><br /></div><div>MD: Don't need people like her in Mayapur.</div><div><br /></div><div>MA: RM is in charge of visas nowadays. I don't know….</div><div><br /></div><div>K Devi Dasi: Nice letter, you did well.</div><div><br /></div><div>AK: This BS Dasi seems to be a real sick individual.</div><div><br /></div><div>BB: Just the kind of person they make their spokesperson.</div><div><br /></div><div>VN: You are a good mother standing up for her child.</div><div><br /></div><div>VG: What’s so difficult for everyone in Mayapur/ management to understand? A huge amount of abuse went on for many children, for many years. This was, and still is a huge majority of these children’s home. These children (now adults) are horrifically now having to fight for some basic basic rights ... to not have see their abusers on a daily basis, to not see them worshipped and honoured, to be able to leave their homes to go to the shop and not feel sick to their stomach every time they go out, to get some closer and support for all they’ve had to endure. </div><div><br /></div><div>WAKE UP management. It’s not that complicated. The abusers can go literally anywhere else in world and live a peaceful life with their family away from any victims ... what is going on in our little bubble ….. this is not how the real world functions…. Somehow abusers are always above the l law in our iskcon world.</div><div><br /></div><div>GDS: It’s because they either ARE the management, have power or money. </div><div><br /></div><div>TTK: Mayapura is hugely infiltrated by Bengali mafioso. These atrocities are happening because there are demonically influenced people that work hard to bring unmentionable suffering to the pious. It’s not happening accidentally.</div><div>It’s happening just as the subhumans want it to. </div><div><br /></div><div>TK: Why are we always still here! Why isn't nothing moving on? It don't make sense. It's simple, there's a case on them, they are not welcome. They should move on.</div><div><br /></div><div>JV Devi: You understood the situation well. It could happen in this fashion due to the leadership of people in power all these decades - who comes to your mind? Yes, the GBC, TKG, RNS, JPS, SRS, AVD, and the list goes on...</div><div><br /></div><div>TTK: Great letter! May it be heard throughout the three worlds. </div><div><br /></div><div>GP: Puppets of whom I wonder, maybe the real problem is, the people higher up the chain?</div><div><br /></div><div>BB: Lokanath swami was doing all sorts of poojas there in Mayapur. They just cannot help themselves. I am glad a woman stood up to her abuser there on the one hand, but fear she may not live long on the other hand. This is a violent pedophile cult. She is in severe danger there. It is a violent MAFIA.</div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Yep, not everyone thinks that the GBC / IRM / Prabhupadanuga EU's Golden body of ISKCON is a safe haven place for women, children, brahmanas, cows or even -- pure devotees. It is a toxic hazard zone and they had better wake up to that. Anyway, no worries, everyone else is waking up, maybe they will too eventually. Their "Golden Body" is decayed and crumbling, and that is all there is to it. More people are coming towards our direction, and no one should be surprised. The maya Golden Body of ISKCON is more like the Golden Body of Beelzebub, because -- it is not the actual spiritual body of ISKCON.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Even the Berkeley Police had that figured out in 1980 "it is a criminal operation posing as a religion." OK -- no Golden Body here!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><br /></div></span></div></div></div></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-53909168781323650672024-03-06T11:10:00.000-08:002024-03-06T11:10:43.197-08:00The Golden Body of ISKCON and the IRM (update) 03 06 24<div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-S7HwUjl91X0ZDq4HIsRv7G7i71JSPe3WBew-6CWzmFlbc93XN9pSbC4dZ7bjIp71DkIhlB2KbarUbscQuJ1_8t9OHtuQZqmAWmQNN6n4A2AHVhycTbvcdNduwNe78aIniKu7s-5BEaryljT39XPV1JxTtwkmPh_lAwHHKxzP9Smh_aPsWoG8WuINmv5v/s368/krishna%20kant.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="348" data-original-width="368" height="456" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-S7HwUjl91X0ZDq4HIsRv7G7i71JSPe3WBew-6CWzmFlbc93XN9pSbC4dZ7bjIp71DkIhlB2KbarUbscQuJ1_8t9OHtuQZqmAWmQNN6n4A2AHVhycTbvcdNduwNe78aIniKu7s-5BEaryljT39XPV1JxTtwkmPh_lAwHHKxzP9Smh_aPsWoG8WuINmv5v/w482-h456/krishna%20kant.jpg" width="482" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;">The IRM</span></div><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><a href="https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/10/krishna-kant-desai-irm-child-abuse-vs.html">https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/10/krishna-kant-desai-irm-child-abuse-vs.html</a></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Hate to say it but -- we told you so! Many times! Mayapur has had a big child abuse problem, with various leaders there enabling that problem, and maybe it has had that problem for decades -- perhaps since the late 1970s. And we tried to say exactly that -- Mayapur has a big child abuse problem also in 1997, when we simultaneously helped the Windle Turley lawsuit. At the time -- various victims said they were victimized there, and reports of current problems there were coming in. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The good news is that there are more and more people saying "Mayapur is a cesspool" "we need to get rid of all the management there" and so on, at the present time. So there are more and more people, actually thousands, who agree with PADA that the place needs to be cleaned up.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">What actually happened is -- things went further down hill in Mayapur after 1997, with Jayapataka, Bhakti Vidya Purna swami, Bhavananda, Dayaram, Naresvara, Nitai Chanda, Satadhanya and many others -- making the regime even worse there by various accounts. Yep. According to various reports "industrial levels of abuse" started getting worse there -- after 1997. AFTER we ALREADY said there is a problem there. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Unfortunately, at the time Krishna Kant and his IRM folks [Kamsahanta etc.] were "negotiating a deal" with Jayapataka [the Mayapur leader] to send PADA editor on "a vacation in the Caribbean" -- where we would stop all our writing. Oh swell, and we would have never returned from that "vacation" alive. And without us writing, the child abuse issue would have been buried and lost in the dust -- even worse. And that was the "ISKCON Reform Movement" plan?</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And then Krishna Kanta and his IRM folks / Kamsahanta / Naranarayan / Sanat / Mukunda / Pancali / Krishna Kirtan etc. said that PADA is "destroying the Golden Body of ISKCON," by calling out the molesting issue, including the ongoing problems at Mayapur. Yep, children living in an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic are living in "The Golden Body of ISKCON." Why would anyone oppose that? </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">In other words, they wanted to defend the molesting regime, including at Mayapur, by saying the industrial level molesting program there is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." Worse, the Krishna Kant IRM wanted me to become Jayapataka's paid employee / vacationer in the Carribean -- on the Mayapur payroll. And since we refused to apply for a job on the Mayapur payroll, the IRM, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati's Prabhupadanuga's EU etc. have been upset ever since.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And all that explains why we have had to work with "karmi" law enforcement, FEDS, media and courts etc., because the "karmis" understand that a program that is starving, beating, molesting, assaulting, abusing and raping children is NOT "the Golden Body of God." Yeah, who knew!</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">So that means that the Krishna Kanta IRM folks, and their various allies like Naranarayana, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad, Pancali, HKC Jaipur, Prabhupadanuga EU, Mathura Pati and others saying that the Mayapur mass molesting program is "The Golden Body of ISKCON" is how they kept all this molesting, abuse and even rape of children program going on ever since -- from 1997 -- up to the present day, 2024. They have aided and abetted that program. Even the Berkeley Police told me, the [Krishna Kant et al.] people who oppose you are enabling these criminals. OK that would include this group. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And that means -- these IRM clones are co-responsible for covering up, enabling and allowing that mass molesting program, if not acting as enforcers for that program by oppressing our dissent. And the remarkable thing is -- they are still citing Naranarayan and others -- that all their program's banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations of dissenters program is STILL -- the "Golden Body of ISKCON." Then they wonder why their children victims are upset with the religion?</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">In short -- it means they are co-responsible for making that program continue, by chopping off the legs of our protest, all along -- and in many cases --- up to now. Why are they STILL citing Krishna Kanta's folks -- who claimed their mass child mistreatment process is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." Umm, well most people would say nope, it is a Satanic child abuse cult and is thus not the Golden Body of the Lord. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">It should be noted that Mayapur is supposed to be the HOLY DHAM of the Krishna religion, and so it is the one place in the universe that should have a zero tolerance system against children being mistreated there. But that is clearly not the case. We have recent reports of minors being abused, of past victims being assaulted for challenging their abusers, and an overall "thugs and goondas" predator friendly program going on there. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Recently one of the former students told me it was a regular program for us students to eat "watered down dahl and rice," basically prison food, while the leaders ate sumptuous feasts. And after we had the GBC sued in 1997 for mass child abuse, and we helped the $20,000,000 India lawsuit, the Mayapur people were asking for donations for -- shoes for the kids there. There was a shortage of funds for the kids, no shortage for lawyers. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And one of these former students said, he still thinks the kids there are not getting good treatment, their program is under funded. And he said the worse thing is, these kids get out of the Mayapur school system -- with no actual practical job skills -- so they can support themselves. Anyway now some poor woman had to confront one of the abusers there, and the person making the video is accosted by Mayapur security goons. It is amazing that a woman has to make her own defense, and there are no men doing that job there.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And there are reports of many other victims feeling helpless and hopeless around there. But this is the problem with calling all this "The Golden Body of ISKCON." Anyway, we do not agree that a program that is banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas is the Golden Body of ISKCON and we hope these IRM groupies eventually start to realize that. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Mathura Pati's Prabhupadanuga EU has been saying that because PADA does not endorse their mass molesting Golden Body / anal reconstructive surgery epidemic program, and we refused to become Jayapataka's employee, and work for Mayapur, that makes us "sick people who need therapy." </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Why are they still promoting the Mayapur program's leaders as the Golden Body of ISKCON, and citing Naranarayan who has make this claim? Sorry, a program that oppresses and even rapes children is "Auschwitz for kids" according to the victims, and we are on their side. Anyway, we just went on another media program and we will continue to expose these people, and the good news is, hundreds or even thousands of devotees are coming over to our side.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">ys pd</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Angel108b@yahoo.com </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">========</span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /><br />DD: What does Srila Prabhupada think of ISKCON leaders' track record when it comes to child protection? Would he be satisfied that a prestigious temple is being erected whilst Mayapur remains an unsafe place for the Society's children and youth? Where they have to fend for themselves because the leaders are too preoccupied to put safeguards in place?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">What is a leader's responsibility when a school is opened and report after report comes out - decade after decade - clearly describing a culture of widespread abuse? How long should it take to remove those clearly identified as being responsible?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />Does the Society's leadership actually value and care about the Society's children? Do they listen to them? Are they concerned when they get disillusioned with Krishna consciousness because they are severely mistreated? That their education often fails to launch them into productive lives? That many remain traumatised?<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">It literally beggars belief that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's mission of compassion - being carried out through the agency of ISKCON* - is being led by people that can't find it within their hearts to do the needful with the Society's children and youth. That have time and energy for so many other initiatives - typically those bestowing greater prestige (like accumulating disciples, erecting gorgeous temples, festivals of flowers) but not for children. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">That have the means to fly business class and live in opulent quarters but not to fund the CPO. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">That feel more compassion and sympathy towards the abusers and seeing that they are properly situated than they do for the victims. That enjoy all the perks and privileges of leadership but don't earn them by doing the needful for children.....</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Our Society's youth and children need to feel safe, valued, encouraged, welcome.... How's it possible that we can collectively fail so spectacularly in such basic humanity?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />* And of course there are other institutional vehicles, sangas, etc</span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>BD: I hope that RD is also punished for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl. The Mayapur management are protecting him and others like him. All the Mayapur and Aussie Kulis know what he did to her. Her brother tried to protect her. I hope her friends S and G stand up for her and help her.</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Yep, this is the GBC / Krishna Kanta / HKC Jaipur / IRM / Prabhupadanuga EU / Mathura Pati's Golden Body of ISKCON, even minor aged girls are not safe inside their Golden Body. And M Dasi says she would not even trust them to baby sit her dog. Sulochana said their Golden Body of ISKCON is "tossing children into a wood chipper." And we agree! </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AD: This is the sad state of iskcon Mayapur. A young women has to stand up, speak up, because the men won't. Its a flipping joke. BVP abused children there for 40 years! Other pedos walk around freely!</span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />They sit on the big vysana giving class. They are in the temple room singing kirtan, trying to look saintly. Keep praying for our youth, our children, women and elders. Iskcon is not safe!<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Iskcon Mayapur is amazing. Every step is a dance, every word is a song. Or is it?<br />My daughter was stalked there by men from when she was the age of 11 years old. This went on for 5 years years, and has continued even after she left. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">As she ignored him trying to make contact with some of them, they then went on and started vicious rumours about her. Many other women have suffered and are suffering domestic abuse. Their h</span><span style="font-family: verdana;">usbands, who are talented kirtaneers, continue to sing in the temple room. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Or they are amazing pujaris, but they are beating their wife and children. Senior brahmachari there walks around asking for sexual favours from women. But the women won't speak up about him, because they know if they do, they are the issue. They are the problem, and that will hinder their chance of getting visas to be in Mayapur. Almost looks like none of the victims are allowed to protest, without being punished.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">So instead of focusing on big spiritual matters, let's talk about basics, what is everyone's roles in raising childern. Let's talk about domestic abuse, talk about consequences. Let's implement some rules! Let's talk about mental health!<br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Awareness will reduce these things happening. But the leaders don't want to talk about it, we are big devotees. We are in a failed society if we can't look after our kids, our future. Beautiful temple going up, but our school looks like it's from the 1950s. We have no funds, no budget for youth serices. Or ways to increase employment for them. Would be insteresting to see the budget for youth services a year / for childerns education. Anyway let's keep praying<br /><br />=================<br /><br />"Open letter to KR"<br /><br />Hare Krishna,<br /><br />I was a student in the Mayapur girl school, I suffered abuse under Sri Radhe and Madhava.<br /><br />Dear KR,<br /><br />I am writing to address a matter of significant concern regarding your son and Sri Radhe. It is evident that you are aware of the abuse they have been accused of inflicting on the children in the Gurukul. Sri Radhe and Madhava Gauranga were the deans of both the girls' and boys' Gurukul.<br /><br />Moreover, you yourself have endured Sri Radhe's drama and abuse almost on a daily basis. If you didn't comply with Sri Radhe's wishes, you were not allowed to see your own grandkids, not allowed to see your son, or visit their house. You yourself were subjected to emotional abuse, and you were an adult.<br /><br />The emotional abuse you yourself were subjected to is nothing compared to what the girls in the girls' school were submitted to on a daily basis, year after year, and they were small and defenseless children. Emotional, mental, spiritual, and psychological abuse without end. <br /><br />Sri Radhe thrives on drama as long as she is the center of attention, and Bhakti Vidya Purna [BVP] and Madhava Gauranga enabled her to act in any crazy way she wanted. BVP did anything Sri Radhe wanted, and Madhava had to; otherwise, BVP would get on his case severely.<br /><br />Now when they need you, they are using you to run around to the GBC to further their cause. Even though you know how abusive she is and was, are you actually helping? There will be no change until Sri Radhe and Madhava Gauranga take full responsibility and accountability for all the abuse - emotional, mental and spiritual - they put the children through. And recognize the trauma, harm, and hurt their victims feel on a daily basis.<br /><br />If they truly took responsibility, they would go anywhere in the world or live outside where none of their former victims reside, keep a very low profile, stay in the back, chant Hare Krishna, take care of their kids, and get counseling. The support you are giving them is totally invalidating what they did to the kids in the school.<br /><br />Madhava Gauranga, yes, your son, is lying, harassing the victims, using you and others to stand up for them. Nothing will change, and you are not helping them; you are just furthering their sick behavior, and they will never stop.<br /><br />What about being civilized and following due process? <br /><br />Well, they are not. They are totally using you because you are a "Prabhupada disciple," the mother, and have something to do with the Vaishnavi ministry, dealing with abused women. It seems you should know about abuse! So where is your empathy to the victims living in Mayapur that have to encounter Sri Radhe and Madhava Gauranga on a daily basis. <br /><br />You should know that there is absolutely nothing that triggers a trauma response and panic more than encountering your abusers, so where is your compassion? You have other family members that also were severely abused by Sri Radhe, to the point that the girl was hospitalized. She couldn't walk; she was bedridden for 3 months and couldn't tolerate light or sound. <br /><br />She had to crawl to the bathroom, and after several tests were done, the doctor said it's all the symptoms of severe PTSD. It took her months to be able to walk again. Also, the incident in the park with Abhi, you choose to believe everything Madhava Gauranga says. You had other family members there and others, and their story of what happened is completely different. Madhava Gauranga is also harassing the victims.<br /><br />You will never actually help him if you keep on buying into and believing everything he says. You know as well as all the students in the girls' school that Sri Radhe is a compulsive liar. So why would the girls believe anything she says about her abuse by BVP? Nobody believes her because the abuse stopped when she got married to your son, and for years after that, BVP was so close to them that he was even babysitting their children.<br /><br />As a responsible mother who claims to have been severely abused, it doesn't make sense. From past experiences with Sri Radhe, not one of her victims have any trust in what she says or what motives she has. She is textbook narcissistic, and she needs to be in the center of everyone's attention, she is an expert manipulator, and you know this, so how are you actually helping? What they are doing is typical DARVO behavior: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Offender. Very common with abusers. <br /><br />Also, they are invalidating, saying the children all came from broken and abusive homes, that they were traumatized before they came to school. Again, a lie. They are also trying to say the girls are lying and there was no abuse in the school at all.<br /><br />They are accused of child abuse and all of a sudden they are the biggest victims. Whatever pain and abuse they themselves went through is of course horrific, but that's not the discussion here and it's totally irrelevant to kids that were abused by them. You are instead just supporting sick behavior; they need professional help to understand what harm they are causing and have been causing in the past to so many people.<br /><br />How will there be healing for them if they don't take accountability and responsibility for the pain they caused to so many without excuses? If they do so, then they can start healing their own trauma.<br /><br />So please help them, don't further their sick behaviour!<br /><br />===============<br /><br />AA: I feel sorry for mothers of child abusers . It is natural for a mother to protect and love her son but their vision is obscured and they become resentful towards anyone who has proper vision. Presently in Adelaide temple, the wife of the TP has the same mentality. Her son has been banned for sexually abusing a young bhaktin female. <br /><br />Instead of being humble, she looks at every one who supported the victim (including myself) with daggers in her eyes. Even if anyone tries to be friendly and compassionate towards her and say Haribol to her, she rudely ignores you, as if you are the problem and not her abusiving son. <br /><br />Devotees like her and Krsna Rupa need healing and counselling. Another thing I feel sorry for Madhava Gauranga. Imagine being the son of nasty guy like Nareswara who is corrupt. No wonder the boy has problems. The best thing for MG is to totally remove himself from Mayapur and even his family influence. <br /><br />Then he has a chance of healing and making his life more sane. <br /><br />V Dasa: The disease is spreading from the head. Worshiping insane personalities leads to a variety of drifting from ordinary dharma, kind of disturbed devotion. Building back a sane social circle and to escape from the sick company give a chance to heal and perform a quiet Bhajan. <br /><br />RS: This is becoming so sickening. The movement has deviated so much from its original goal. It's like the tracks of a train line. One is straight, the other deviates and over time they become further and further away from each other. In time they are nowhere near each other. <br /><br />SJ: Bravely spoken. <br /><br />SR: If you truly care about the wellbeing of someone, you cannot endorse and enable them ... that is harmful to others and themselves. Thank you</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">PADA: Yeah, don't endorse or enable the Golden Body of child abusers, we agree. ys pd</span><br /><br />=================<br /><br /></span><div></div></div></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-73186656770464615622024-03-03T15:41:00.000-08:002024-03-03T15:41:47.009-08:00Message to Gurukula Trauma Victims (ISKCON History) VIDEO<p> </p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xnD2_25FW5c?si=RBQw45aYO6hNFgGO" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-74732651691444982522024-03-03T08:23:00.000-08:002024-03-03T09:17:18.832-08:00ISHAN DAS writes PADA 03 03 24<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJHuJN34OHmPo0rqxh5Eu4S3shtNRN0OX4CyO_0lNj2zq6KFL5RQittudULAYB4YzVMRBdTvZ3vlwzAlmAeLQ60yLhLWzG52rZzMAzS-1gHPHpA_00WvV08rQZkdCfERW2W7c80aQC_xDJcEMcEF7oL9C1uknKJjPBkRUKw4xtwWi8ObPP5sDf9hOD2-18/s1240/rk%205001%20ff.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1209" data-original-width="1240" height="441" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJHuJN34OHmPo0rqxh5Eu4S3shtNRN0OX4CyO_0lNj2zq6KFL5RQittudULAYB4YzVMRBdTvZ3vlwzAlmAeLQ60yLhLWzG52rZzMAzS-1gHPHpA_00WvV08rQZkdCfERW2W7c80aQC_xDJcEMcEF7oL9C1uknKJjPBkRUKw4xtwWi8ObPP5sDf9hOD2-18/w452-h441/rk%205001%20ff.jpg" width="452" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Deviation is not:</span></div></div><div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">"The Golden Body of Krishna"</span></div><span style="font-family: verdana; font-size: x-large;"><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div></span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>ISHAN DAS WRITES PADA:<br /><br /> O.K. Prabhu, here is my offering. <br /><br /><br />SAGA OF THE TRANSCENDENTAL WHISTLE BLOWER. - Ishan das. 03/02/2024<br /><br />Once upon a time, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna Himself, sent one of His eternal confidential associates to Planet Earth. It was predicted 500 years ago by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that His Sankirtan Movement would be spread to every town and village on the planet, and that this would be the introduction of the Yuga Dharma which would blossom for the next 10,000 years. <br /><br />Some 350 years later, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur declared that very soon, an intimate confidential servant of the Supreme Lord would be appear as the transcendental agent of Lord Caitanya’s mission. Similarly, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta told his disciples that this confidential servant (who had already appeared in the Gaudy Math institution) would “do everything”. This confidential intimate agent of Krishna Himself is A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. <br /><br />In a very short period of some 10 years, Srila Prabhupada spread Krishna consciousness over the face of the planet, opening temples, installing Deities of Panca-tattva, Radha and Krishna and Lord Jagannatha in countries around the globe. At the same time, he initiated disciples in different countries of all races. At the same time he published some 80 volumes of transcendental literature. And all of this, Srila Prabhupada accomplished, while circling the globe in airplanes, carrying with him only his books and dictaphone, and the barest essential necessities. <br /><br />Srila Prabhupada’s vision extended into the future. Not only did he create devotees of Krishna all over the world, but also, he created schools for the children of his devotees. These children, who were born into the Krishna consciousness movement, were Srila Prabhupada’s vision for the future of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan Movement. These beautiful souls were divinely selected and attracted to the wombs of Srila Prabhupada’s students. Some came from higher planets. Others had been devotees in previous births. They were sent to fulfill the vision of Lord Caitanya. <br /><br />But who would be the teachers, the instructors, the role models for these wonderful effulgent souls? Who would shelter them, guide them, and cultivate them so that they could assume the role of spreading Lord Caitanya’s mission? These pure little children were entrusted to Srila Prabhupada’s direct disciples. And then all hell broke loose.<br /><br />The records and tales of these children is horrific and catastrophic. They were beaten. They were sexually molested. They were emotionally damaged. Many of them have committed suicide. And many of them contemplate suicide today. Many are alienated, by personal choice, from association with the institution of Krishna consciousness, and the process of Krishna consciousness. Many have simply joined the culture of lost souls who walk the earth with little hope and no sense of direction, resorting to various forms of self-destructive habits. <br /><br />But how could this have happened? Surely there were temple presidents. Surely there were GBC members, surely there were the parents of these children……all of whom were charged with the responsibility to protect and bring out the best in these children, who were Srila Prabhupada’s ardent hope for the continued thriving success of the Krishna consciousness movement. <br /><br />But this didn’t happen. Most of the parents didn’t know until the damage was done. And many of the devotees who tried to alert the presidents and GBC were threatened, even with violence. The order of the day was, and still is…..we will all look the other way, we will turn a blind eye to this horrific reality. We will pretend that these things are not going on. After all, there was, and still is, the good name of the Krishna consciousness movement that we have to protect. <br /><br />This paradigm, of refusing to responsibly deal with reality is not confined to the Krishna consciousness movement. There are documentaries which deal with the same lack of child protection from sexual abuse, by priests in the Roman Catholic Church. The pope, in his holy robes, makes no move to uproot child sexual molestation, perpetrated on the children of church members. <br /><br />Similarly, in the political arena, Edward Joseph Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an American and naturalized Russian citizen who was a computer intelligence consultant and whistleblower who leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency in the United States. Because he wanted to protect the American public from privacy violations by the American government, he had to flee the country to save his life. <br /><br />In the same way, environmental agencies fail to report the grossest environmental abuses by American corporations simply because they receive “donations” from these corporations. <br /><br />In the same way, universities teach their medical students to utilize the drugs of the giant drug companies regardless of the consequences of utilizing those drugs, because the drug companies give donations to these medical departs. <br /><br />Therefore the question arises: What is the common thread in all of this irresponsible dysfunction? Dysfunction in the political arena, dysfunction in environmental protection agencies, dysfunction in the educational field, and dysfunction in religious institutions, There is one common thread: "We have to cover ourselves in order to protect our name and prestige in the eyes of the public. </span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Also, if we don’t protect those who do wrong, they may move to hurt us in return, because we also have skeletons in our closets. Therefore let us turn a blind eye, in spite of our duty of social responsibility.” This is what has occurred in Iskcon before Srila Prabhupada’s departure, and this is what occurs, even more so in Iskcon today. <br /><br /><br />This article: https://prabhupadavision.com/2013/12/29/braja-bihari-turley-lawsuit/ clearly shows that some of the foremost child abusers in the Iskcon establishment were and still are major child abusers and sexual offenders. <br /><br />There are dozens of web sites and articles disclosing and discussing this pathogenic institutional child abuse and sexual molestation in Iskcon. We are thinking to submit a compilation of pertinent links in this connection. But the reader can easily do this research for themselves. It’s all over the web. <br /><br />The bottom line is that Iskcon children were being abused, physically, sexually and emotionally, and there was no protection coming from within the organization. Parents were not informed, or didn’t know how to make a difference. Devotees who tried to focus attention on the deplorable situation in America and in India, were told to hold their tongues. Several have been threatened with violence. <br /><br />All of the above is background to the slant of this article. This brings us to the year 1997. Enter the Transcendental Whistle Blower. Puranjan das. He understood the pathological situation within Iskcon; and he refused to look the other way. He couldn’t do it. Puranjan declared battle. The situation was taken to court. Iskcon was sued for child abuse. Hundreds of children were removed from the Iskcon schools. The case was aired to the public through the media. Is he regarded as a hero? Is he regarded as righteous? No.<br /><br />Aside from the people of Iskcon, the perpetrators, and administrators, even within some so-called Prabhupadanuga camps, who have separated themselves from Iskcon……Puranjan is the object of negative criticism. Why have these Prabhupadanuga organizations become manifest? <br /><br />Srila Prabhupada vehemently instructed, repeatedly, that his books should not, should not, should not be changed. And Iskcon not only has made thousands of changes to Srila Prabhupada’s books, but have even restricted the distribution of his original books. <br /><br />Then there is the process of Diety worship in the Iskcon temples. Iskcon has decided that Srila Prabhupada, Krishna’s emissary from the spiritual world, has been mistaken in teaching that that in offering foodstuffs to the Lord, the offering should be made to Krishna’s pure devotee first, who in turn would offer to God on our behalf. Srila Prabhupada teaches in his books that we cannot approach Krishna directly, but that we should approach Krishna through the discipline succession. Iskcon has turned this procedure upside down. <br /><br />Srila Prabhupada never appointed anyone to be guru after his departure. In fact he informs us though his talks and his writings that the concept of the necessity of a living guru for the initiation of new devotees…….this very concept is the major reason for the complete failure of the Gaudiya Math, the institution created by Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual master. Never-the- less, when Srila Prabhupada departed, Iskcon immediately began the appointment of gurus, and this continues to this day. Srila Prabhupada makes the authorized philosophical point that the spiritual master must be the topmost devotee who has a living face-to-face relationship with Krishna himself. But Iskcon continues to appoint conditioned souls who still identify with the material body and mind as themselves, as spiritual masters. <br /><br />These are the major reasons for which the Prabhupadanugas, world-wide, have rightly separated themselves from Iskcon. However, because Puranjana das decided to take on the job of protecting the children of Iskcon from physical abuse and sexual molestation, some of the Prabhupadanuga camps criticize him harshly. The reason? He is giving Srila Prabhupada’s Iskcon a bad name. Better, they claim, “better to let the children go to hell.” <br /><br />Giving Srila Prabhupada’s Iskcon a bad name. It is not the child-molesters that are giving Iskcon a bad name. It’s not the GBC of Iskcon who are giving Iskcon a bad name because of not stepping in and protecting the children, because of not having the police put the child-molesters in prison. No. The Iskcon society is getting a bad name because Puranjan is making arrangements to take Iskcon to court, and suing Iskcon for child abuse. This is their reasoning. <br /><br />Srila Prabhupada’s Iskcon no longer exists. Iskcon is a dead branch of the Caitanya Tree. Iskcon has made so many changes to Srila Prabhupada’s books, the process of worship that he taught, and the manner in which new members are admitted to the society, that iskcon is divorced from Srila Prabhupada. Iskcon keeps the form of Srila Prabhupada in their temples, because they cannot stand in their own merit. But it is not Srila Prabhupada’s Iskcon that has heaped violent abuse on the children of Iskcon. No. No more than then it is Jesus Christ’s responsibility for the crusades of the 12th and 13th century A.D. The Christian church became an affront to Jesus, and Iskcon is simply a living offense to Srila Prabhupada. <br /><br />When Srila Prabhupada was asked if the rats that had infested the LA temple should be killed, he said, “No! You should be killed for allowing such a situation to occur.” In the same way, it is the Governing Board of Iskcon that has enabled the infestation of child abuse in Iskcon. But in this case, both the infestation as well as the Governing Board will be made to answer. Of course they will. The Iskcon branch of the Caitanya Tree is already dead. What to speak of the rewards to be received by the lot of them when they leave their bodies. <br /><br />Srila Prabhupada teaches us that if we, as members of the group see that something is out of line, and don’t speak up, we are guilty as the perpetrators. In this way the entire GBC, is guilty of child-molestation. <br /><br />When the battle of Kurukshetra was to be fought, Arjuna didn’t want to be hurtful to anyone. He wanted the miscreants, the offenders to be excused. But Krishna said, “No. They have done wrong, and justice must be delivered.” In the same way, justice will be delivered. Srila Prabhupada teaches us that the larger the responsibility, the bigger the crime. Out of all of us, Puranjan, the transcendental whistle blower, is the only one who really stood up for the children, with all of his strength, placing himself between a corrupt institution of cold-hearted abuse and the innocent children who were Srila Prabhupada’s hope for bringing Krishna consciousness to plant earth. Let us offer our respectful obeisances to Puranjan Prabhu, the transcendental whistle blower. <br /><br />Ishan das</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=======</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">My dear Puranjan Prabhu, <div style="outline: none;"><br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;">Please accept my heartfelt obeisances. </div><div style="outline: none;"><br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;">All glories to Srila Prabhupada who loves us very much and wants us to enjoy his shelter and his love. </div><div style="outline: none;"><br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;">Prabhu, I am. going to write a letter to you that you will be happy to post on your web site. I have various things going on in my life, but as I walk through the motions of doing this and that, I am already composing this letter in my mind. I have no doubts whatsoever that you have done a wonderful and good thing, and that those who condemn your most appropriate desire to help these children, these grand children of Srila Prabhupada, are misguided, misdirected and not pleasing to Srila Prabhupada or to Krishna. </div><div style="outline: none;"><br /></div><div style="outline: none;">What you have accomplished so far is monumental. I can only wish that I will one day attain your level of courage and devotion in Srila Prabhupada's service. Please be patient with me, and don't doubt for a moment that I will deliver this letter into your hands to use as you see fit. </div><div style="outline: none;"><br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;">Very respectfully, </div><div style="outline: none;">Your servant, </div><div style="outline: none;">Ishan das</div><div style="outline: none;"><br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;"><a href="https://healingheartcoach.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" style="color: #196ad4; outline: none;" target="_blank">https://healingheartcoach.com</a>. Puranjan Prabhu, please follow this link to the web site of Vaishnavi devi dasi, and familiarize yourself with the content. I have spoken with her tonight and she is very eager to be helpful to Srila Prabhupada's children who are in distress, especially those who are traumatized by childhood abuse. Vaishnavi has said, yes, let those who are in need and desire her loving support feel free to reach out to her. <br style="outline: none;" /></div><div style="outline: none;"><br style="background-color: white; color: #1d2228; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; outline: none;" /></div></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">=========</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks very much Ishan prabhu. Yes, in 1997 the Prabhupadanuga EU people like Sanat and Mukunda began to argue that their mass beating and rape of children program is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." And they said Puranjana is a demon, because he helped stop their "Golden Body of ISKCON" program. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And yet even the media know their program has been -- starving, beating, anal reconstructive surgery epidemic -- mass raping -- mass other forms of abuse of thousands of children, and suicides of some of their children victims. What these GBC defenders actually said was, they wanted the children to die in a bloodbath in Dallas.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Of course, not one single leader or perp was threatened by them, only the victims, as was noted by the victims and the courts. So they only defended their regime, the perps, and not the victims. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I told Krishna Kanta (IRM leader) at the time that the children are being molested and committing suicide, and he said "yes, we know that already -- but if we sue the GBC, we will lose our buildings." And he was negotiating a deal with Jayapataka to take control of parts of ISKCON in a "reform," so he wanted to keep "their buildings" because they thought the IRM would gain control of some of them.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And they also told me not to sue the GBC over the book changes. And the IRM still has complaints about me "working with Hansadutta" to get the legal rights to original books. So these GBC / Prabhupadanuga EU people did not even want us to get the legal rights to original books either. They clearly wanted Jayadvaita's changed books to win the legal side.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Almost needless the say, the same people ALSO opposed me on "the poison issue." And IRM helper Kamsahanta tried to physically block me from going out to announce the poison issue. In other word, these people are compromisers with the GBC. Also almost needless to say, when we tell media people these GBC / Prabhupadanuga EU people think that mass child rapes / Auschwitz for kids program is "The Golden Body of God," their eyes roll in amazement and total disgust. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And the media folks told me Srila Prabhupada is right, these people are killers of the soul, and they killed the souls of countless ISKCON children. Golden Body of God no less! Even the media people cringe at the words of these fanatics. Toss the children under the bus, to save our golden pedophile worshiping program.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway, we tried to help the children, and some of them credit us with saving their lives. And yet there is still a group of GBC sympathizers who hold a grudge, but it is not only begrudging me, they begrudge that many of these children were pulled out and not molested, and others are still alive. They did not want these children to saved from abuse, or even -- be alive, and they did not want me to be alive, so they could keep their mass child molesting program, changed books program, and worshiping guru poisoners going on. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Well one of their victims recently told me they can take their golden body of ISKCON golden a** poker and stick up their own behinds, so they can sample what will happen when they go to Yamaraja's planet of red hot a** pokers. These GBC and Prabhupadnauga EU people wanted us to be poked in the a**, so what they wanted for us -- will happen to them. This victim said, they will be starved, beaten, molested, and poked in the a**, since they wanted to have that happen to us children. And they are infuriated that their Auschwitz for kids process is being checked, so they will go to an Auschwitz themselves for wanting us to be in theirs. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">In sum, their helping child raping programs is not being appreciated by the mass of public, the media, the police, the courts, and for sure -- not by their victims. And Krishna is not happy with people who call their mass child rape program His "Golden Body." He is just as disgusted with them as we are. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Thanks Ishan! Yeah, Windle Turley is the lesser of two evils, our opponents wanted their beating, molesting, raping, broken bones, suicides of children etc. program to continue, and Windle Turley didn't. So he saved victims, and then the perps and their enablers and defenders were not happy. And after they told the victims that the Auschwitz for kids program is "The Golden body of ISKCON," no wonder the victims are attacking the religion. No one should be slightly surprised. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Someone asked me to make a video for the traumatized children victims, so I am working on that presently. Thanks again Ishan, and I apologize for our original misunderstandings. Jayate! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span></div><div><br /></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-8203315101735798132024-03-02T16:48:00.000-08:002024-03-02T16:48:53.640-08:00Silenced by ISKCON for Speaking Up (VIDEO)<p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Oh oh. More victims / whistle blowers speaking up. It seems like a tidal wave of exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON is going on now. Yikes. "Bathing in the caustic urine of deceit and hypocrisy." And that is why so many devotees are "dressing, chanting and performing externals, but the potency is lost. And that is why so many leaders are failing." </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Yeah. And many of the leaders who created all these problems "have been there for 20 - 30 years or more. So there is no method of correcting the situation." And "they equate spiritual advancement with hierarchical </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">position." The leaders are intentionally slowing down any effort of reform, so they can save their current positions. Well yep!</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Of course, PADA has also been the victim of all sorts of attempts at silencing too. However! They can only silence so many folks for so long, but eventually, there are just too many folks protesting, such as we have at present. All this is encouraging, more folks are exposing the situation going on in ISKCON, and that makes it easier for the innocent to choose wisely on this situation. And that means there will be fewer and fewer victims, and hopefully, more people following the correct path. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"></span><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ye5bGT7T_-k?si=f82RLktMdkgOgiTS" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></p>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-57354995508913443912024-03-02T09:52:00.000-08:002024-03-02T09:54:29.899-08:00ISKCON Mayapur Abusers Update 03 02 24<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgM828vJgezATaPXwTlR2Txgqg3ev-HHM7-gYXrY2CBe_FgQwLpL5k2OY_AEGbGGGIU06DDHGC5ywiyMfpnyAwRIom77nLBTKh9wwNWVlooN8P70WUZJTC3kleYSCDqNbxzQFxBwVefX4YVAhQX6dQwAYelR-eT59JIAWXbYTrIiS20BcCWNEeFKC3NfwvS/s708/mayapur.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="366" data-original-width="708" height="253" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgM828vJgezATaPXwTlR2Txgqg3ev-HHM7-gYXrY2CBe_FgQwLpL5k2OY_AEGbGGGIU06DDHGC5ywiyMfpnyAwRIom77nLBTKh9wwNWVlooN8P70WUZJTC3kleYSCDqNbxzQFxBwVefX4YVAhQX6dQwAYelR-eT59JIAWXbYTrIiS20BcCWNEeFKC3NfwvS/w491-h253/mayapur.jpg" width="491" /></a></div><br /><br /><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">AD: You may not be aware that Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe, the Child Abusers, are still living in Mayapur in the same place as some of their victims. They are freely going around, intimidating victims and anyone who crosses their path.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yeah. Intimidating victims and intimidating the advocates for victims, post 1978 ISKCON trademark. I just had to explain to someone how Mathura Pati's Prabhupadanugas EU is still promoting Naranarayan das -- who was saying that their program of mass child starving, beating and rapes of children is "the Golden Body of Srila Prabhupada." </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">That means Mathura Pati's team has been, and still is, telling little children that a program that starves, beats and rapes children is the "Golden Body of God and His Gurus." Then they wonder why their victims are upset with the religion, and talk badly of the religion? </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They are the ones creating the program of "talking bad about the religion" because they have been saying their mass child raping program is heaven on earth, the Golden Body of God and Vaikuntha no less, and guess what, your victims are not buying your lies and misrepresenting. It is the view of PADA, and the billions of people who agree with PADA, that their pedophile cult is the body of Satan and not God. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But yeah, there are a lot of people out there who are trying to intimidate the victims, and us advocates for the victims, by misrepresenting that we are attacking "The Golden Body of ISKCON." And as a result, many victims still feel like they cannot express their feelings on this matter, they are being suppressed, because the perps and their GBC and / or Prabhupadanuga EU enforcers, enablers, defenders, advocates are out there -- attacking anyone who exposes their pedophile cult. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">What kind of persons think that starving, beating, molesting and raping children is "The Golden Body of God."? Well, it is these GBC people and their Prabhupadaunga EU defenders -- who do not like God, whom else? But the good news is, more folks are agreeing with PADA, they are a Satanic child sacrifice cult, and not the Golden Body of God. And saying their child abuse cult is the Golden body of God means, they are Satan's followers who detest God. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Madhava gauranga assaulted one of the alumnis from the boys gurukula because the former student confronted him and now madhava gauranga is claiming that he was in fact victimized by the student. Now for the first time, finally, one of their victims from the girls school stood up, and confronted him. We are very proud of her courage.<br /><br />Madhava gauranga and Sri radhe have spent the better part of 2 years canvassing leaders globally, claiming they were the abused victims. Sri radhe is claiming that she is the victim who has been abused the longest in iskcon. <br /><br />The girls and families chose to remain professional and express vaisnava qualities, but with madhava gauranga attacking devotees, making false reports to police, and threatening the victims, they have had enough and are standing for what’s right.<br /><br />S Dasi: Let's make sure that the memorandum barring Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe from VIP status in Mayapur is upheld and enforced. Every Mayapur resident reading this, should print the document, carry it around Mayapur with them, and ensure that the rule is enforced. It's the very least that can be done.<br /><br />The best that can be done is if the ISKCON Child Protection Office takes the statements from their old students, completes an investigation stating in a formal report that the numerous complaints of child abuse from past students are "more likely to be true than not" (the preponderance of evidence used by the CPO) and that restrictions are placed on Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe holding them accountable for the enabling of child abuse perpetrated by Anirdesya Vapu, covering up child abuse perpetrated by Anirdesya Vapu, and the child abuse they directly committed themselves. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yeah, in 1997 we were saying that Bhakti Vidya Purna swami and others were creating severe molesting problems for children in Mayapura, and that is when Naranarayana and his Prabhupadanugas EU people [like Sanat / Mukunda] started to say that their favorite child raping program is "the Golden Body of Krishna and His Gurus." </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">That means they wanted to cover up their crimes against children, and Prabhupadanugas EU still is promoting these folks now, to suppress these victims even now. That means they still have no idea that their child raping program -- and the Golden Body of God -- are not one and the same thing. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They are in fact defenders of their child abuse cult by misrepresenting that it is something sacred and divine. And as soon as we came out and tried to contain it, they complained that I was ruining their alleged Golden Body of God. Horrible misrepresenting of who is God and what institution is the Golden Body of God.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This will help show that ISKCON cares about their children, and that the victims have been heard and are now being protected. It's never too late to do the right thing. It takes a village to raise a child, and it takes a village to protect a child.<br /><br />AM: Note the Five prominent photos of Lokanath on Dandavats today.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUDOUA5J09OU24ygs0vyNGmMJGKUzfNmEmKJehxPbwsMmRq01czKBrY0fSPYiWfl1M6bUTHy9iUfmbxt0qVZKOFyFbh144kmT7u1EKJmBzB1XbqrDZUipC15o7oDYVe25MkPuu9TlNZl6RNqGP8w3bJ83qb_VXWpFl3ApvsQRmbYfteVp76izdaFXlMsKL/s1280/loks.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1280" data-original-width="905" height="626" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhUDOUA5J09OU24ygs0vyNGmMJGKUzfNmEmKJehxPbwsMmRq01czKBrY0fSPYiWfl1M6bUTHy9iUfmbxt0qVZKOFyFbh144kmT7u1EKJmBzB1XbqrDZUipC15o7oDYVe25MkPuu9TlNZl6RNqGP8w3bJ83qb_VXWpFl3ApvsQRmbYfteVp76izdaFXlMsKL/w442-h626/loks.jpg" width="442" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />JF: Why are they not banned from Mayapur??<br /><br />KE: ISKCON can’t ban someone from mayapur, only iskcon property.<br /><br />JF: That's what I meant I guess, the Mayapur Iskcon complex?<br /><br />KE: They should be banned from there, i can’t imagine why they wouldn’t be. I also can’t understand why either would even want to be there. given their own stories of abuse and suffering thanks to those in management / power, you’d think they’d want to stay away.<br /><br />PA: Life is good for them. I once got a little tour of their home by SR. If I had a marble palace like that I wouldn't want to go anywhere else, either. The most memorable aspect was her personal bathroom, which was literally the size of my bedroom. It was unbelievable. She just casually passed it off; "I just can't stand a small bathroom."<br /><br />KE: I don't doubt their own trauma, but this is why i don't believe that they care about the trauma they inflicted on others. They could seek other property and move on somewhere else, just live life in another location. But on the other hand, why bother? Lokanath is still going strong there, no child abuse ruling ever made about him, nobody cares, iskcon sure doesn’t.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">VS: VIP treatment! Makes one humbler than grass. Not!<br /><br />JS: There’s also a VIP queue as well in Yamaraja’s Court. Only for VIPs<br /><br />TP: What about Bhavananda and Satadanya... why is no one talking about these two abusers? <br /><br />SJ: There have been a few conversations about them. It seems that child abusers have special protection in Mayapur. Similar to the child abusers in the Catholic Church fleeing to less developed countries where law enforcement is lacking, child abusers seem to be drawn like magnets to Mayapur.<br /><br />TP: Where are the men... the real men? Has all of them been castrated in ISKCON? That is the question we should be asking ourselves?<br /><br />RG: Is Mayapura still in the throes of The Raj 2.0 ?<br /><br />=======</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: The trauma is real folks!</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kqkMi5ph1gA?si=gP7EghO8-pH9u8Sn" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">Celebrations of the 150th appearance day of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura at Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/srilabhaktisiddhantasarasvati?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#srilabhaktisiddhantasarasvati</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/srilaprabhupada?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#srilaprabhupada</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VCM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VCM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VrindavanChandrodayaMandir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VrindavanChandrodayaMandir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Prabhupada?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Prabhupada</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VrindavanDham?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VrindavanDham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/krishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#krishna</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/harekrishna?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#harekrishna</a> <a href="https://t.co/3cxtgTMLnB">pic.twitter.com/3cxtgTMLnB</a></p>— Vrindavan Chandrodaya Mandir (@VCMVrindavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/VCMVrindavan/status/1763875873864704014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-22085951948194660242024-02-29T09:20:00.000-08:002024-02-29T09:20:39.528-08:00Sundar Gopal ISKM Interview (VIDEO) 02 29 24<p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: This is an interesting development. I know that some people have criticized PADA for "working with Madhu Pandit" or "working with ISKM," or others. Well maybe, but some of the followers of these programs have helped me a lot, so I have to give credit where credit is due. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Madhu Pandit's people made a nice temple here in the Bay Area and it is doing nice work. And he is making programs in other USA locations and India that are also very nice. Tens of thousands of people are attending these programs.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And Pratyatosa was saying his Krishna media site on youtube is number two, and he has had hundreds of millions of viewers. So our folks are doing things here and there, that all add up.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Other programs have not done much of anything, so that is where it stands. And right now, Madhu Pandit's program here is even helping ISKCON's big programs like Rathayatra, by bringing lots of people to the festival etc. So it looks like eventually, ISKCON is going to more and more need "the ritviks." I also know some other official ISKCON temples where they allow "the ritviks" to do service, because they have no one else. So they are going to need us more over time. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Are these programs or the leaders perfect? Probably not. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Could they have some trouble makers in their congregations? Well yeah, but we had trouble makers in the congregation in 1975. I am not sure how we can avoid that. But these people, and their followers are making at least some progress. In the end, some alternate to ISKCON has to be made, or the society will die out altogether.</span></span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So we have to hope something will come out with these alternates. Anyway, we are getting contacts in all sorts of programs, including people right in the middle of the GBC program. And they are only staying in the GBC program because they want to make a reform from within. So there are a lot of winds of change going on, and overall we want to encourage any positive preaching efforts.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">We have to remember that the conditioned souls are not going to be attracted to programs that promote false gurus, like the GBC. And they are not going to be attracted to "the ritviks" either if they are constantly squabbling, and so the conditioned souls will lose their chance to come to Krishna. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Of course almost all the alleged ritviks who try to combat PADA are then found to have connections to folks like Jayapataka swami, Saint Radhanatha, Bhakti pedo pada's group, the Hitler-anugas, hokey racist pure devotees like Krishna Balarama swami, and / or other GBC compromisers. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So they are not actually favorable to the Prabhupada centered ideal. And to be honest, the Hitler-anugas are even getting negative press from the secular media people, as someone pointed out to me recently. Even the mundane media folks think these people are bodily identified modes of ignorance fools. Cat and dog consciousness. Even Sulochana said we cannot promote this Zionist banker stuff or we will look like fools.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway, I am getting good contacts all the time, so I think Krishna is helping the sincere find the right pathways. Of course, we will also continue to work with the secular media and others to help people in general understand how it all came to this point. The GBC guru Adikarta fall down has helped us again, because some ISKCON people wrote to ask me about it. So we will probably gain some folks from that process as well. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com </span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;"> </span> <iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pCMpdaktOSA?si=vVzo1155pYGSpAmX" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe></p>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-2981925485587887902024-02-28T17:29:00.000-08:002024-02-28T17:33:13.826-08:00Krishna Kirtan / KB Swami / Prabhupadanuga EU / VIDEO 02 28 24<p> </p><iframe allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/c8IqgytPpLI?si=nKGA6JfmVy_m-MRA" title="YouTube video player" width="560"></iframe><div><br /></div><span style="font-family: verdana;">ISHAN DASA: I have gone to their site. They write that when KB went to Srila Prabhupada and asked for initiation, Srila Prabhupada said that he does not need initiation from Srila Prabhupada because he is so advanced. I have written on their site as follows: <br /><br />"The real reason that Srila Prabhupada said to Krishnabalaram that he did not have to give initiation to him is because Srila Prabhupada knew in his heart that Krishnabalaram wanted to become famous as the successor of Srila Prabhupada. Therefore he said, "Oh, you are so elevated, so advanced. You do not need to take shelter of me." </span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Even the six Goswamis of Vrindavan took initiation from Lord Caitanya or from the elder Goswamis. even Srinivas, even Narottama das Thakur ...... all these great souls they all took initiation. But seeing the pride and ambition for fame in the heart of Krishnabalaram, Srila Prabhupada said to him, "Oh, you are so advanced. You were born here in Vrindavan....", etc., etc. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">This is because Srila Prabhupada could see the ambition for "pratistha", name and fame, in the heart of Krishnabalaram. He told Krishnabalaram what Krishnabalaram was already feeling in his own heart, because he could see into the heart of Krishnabalaram. This is why Krishnabalaram will never see Krishna face to face ....... because this desire for name and fame is the greatest impediment to advancement in Krishna consciousness. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Instead of being the humble servant of Krishna's confidential associate, Srila Prabhupada, Krishnabalaram wants to take the position of guru. In this way he is on the same level as the Iskcon gurus who are simply offenders at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada." Ishan das </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Yeah Prabhupadanugas EU is really in mission drift, heh heh heh. ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-12811639362893836432024-02-27T22:55:00.000-08:002024-02-27T23:41:07.535-08:00Krishna Kirtan Dasa: Addressing Hypocrisy 02 28 24 (ISKCON)<span style="font-family: verdana;">Krishna Kirtan dasa:<br /><br />So you want to address hypocrisy? Might as well. It is indeed hard to deal with hypocrisy, so perhaps I can share the following.<br /><br />I remember being involved one night in an intense spontaneous debate (it was somewhat civilized but very intense) somewhere in 1997 / 98 in someone’s apartment in Alachua, just around when the multimillion dollar lawsuit was taking off. The famous and known Minister of Education of ISKCON, Jagadish, was also present.<br /><br />ABC News had just aired (or was about to air) that famous documentary on the subject, and Jagadish himself was one of the main persons interviewed in the documentary as a supporter of the lawsuit, criticizing ISKCON and putting blame not only on the organization ISKCON, but including direct blame onto Srila Prabhupada.<br /><br />It was a heated debate with good points brought forward from both sides. There were many present; and it went on for quite sometime. Jagadish was present, was asked to speak, and he spoke. Pretty much the same rhetoric that was presented on the ABC documentary, heavier.<br /><br />That night Jagadish himself was then trying to make a case against none other than Srila Prabhupada himself: how all the abuse was ultimately Srila Prabhupada’s fault for having created such an institution where the abuse occurred, and so on. [I hope he repented some of what he said.]<br /><br />Myself being so young (20 at the time), it was hard to deal with so many emotions and attention. Most were in favor of the lawsuit and others were quiet. I remember there were quite a few people present. But I do remember managing to land the following argument:<br /><br />EVEN if Srila Prabhupada was guilty of anything indirectly (or directly – prove it!), most of the abuse actually occurred AFTER Srila Prabhupada departed. Well, since Jagadish was himself the Minister of Education during these after years, by pure logical reasoning he ought to take AT LEAST 50% of the responsibility for the criminal events against the children, therefore making him not eligible to even speak at all on the subject, what to speak of being the chosen one to appear on nation wide Television on prime-time to represent the case against ISKCON.<br /><br />To my surprise then, when I said that he appeared shocked and he actually agreed with the logic without saying anything else, and remained quiet for the rest of the night with nothing else to say after that. It had been the first time I had actually voiced my opinion on the subject and stopped someone of that stature on his tracks.<br /><br />Please kindly don’t tell me about hypocrisy, Tim Lee. Remember that I am also one of those who suffered at the hands of incompetent Gurukula teachers. <br /><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: Yes, we already agreed to that -- you and probably 2,000 other kids suffered at the hands of the gurukula, and then nearly none of the leaders or your parents ever reported any of it to the authorities. Even up to the present day. So that naturally makes the blame shift to the institution, or the founder of the institution. So yes, we already agreed, so many kids were molested, then 99% percent of the leaders and parents were silent, and that shifted the entire blame to the institution. <br /><br />I already agreed to that a long time ago? You and many others were mistreated, and almost zero percent of the parents reported the issue. And Prahlad's friend Sanat said -- he too knew all of the kids in his Satsvarupa school were molested, and he did not report it to the authorities or even the parents. He should have had Satsvarupa arrested for running that operation, criminal negligence, but he wanted to defend the mother church, and his pedo cult guru. </span></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And then the parents told their kids "we are just following Prabhupada," by doing nothing about all the abuse. And that is how the elders trained their children to believe Prabhupada is to blame. We agreed to all this long ago? You gurukulis could have also made your own class action many years before all the suicides started, but none of you ever did. Even when we reported the suicides, none of you did anything. None of you did anything subsequently to the present. </span><br /><br />All I can say about myself is that I have interest in actual truth, not mixed or hypocritical presentations of the truth, and that my faith and personal protection resides only in my surrender to Lord Hari, who is the actual shelter of everyone.<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: That is what the parents kept telling me from 1978, do not report any of this to the authorities, keep it in house, and don't do anything effective. Then by 1997, their own kids were committing suicide, and suffering all sorts of trauma. And you guys told me not to fix that problem, because "Prabhupada wanted" these kids to continue to be molested -- and then die of suicide. The kids got these ideas, from you guys. And they just repeated that to Windle Turley. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And hundreds of kids were pulled out of GBC schools because of the lawsuit, and people like Krishna Kirtan wanted those kids to stay in those schools, so they could be raped and abused all the more. Or what? So you guys wanted ongoing molesting and suicides to continue, and I did not, it is that simple. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">And when I asked you why you wanted more molesting and suicides, then you started to tell me I am an offender and all that, not answering the question. OK even the media people ask me about this all the time, and they agree, the parents and the victims not reporting all this then fell back to the institution.<br /><br />And Matura Pati is the same way, he tells me over and over and over, I am wrong to stop children from being raped and committing suicide. So you guys are promoters of an Auschwitz for kids program, as your victims told me over and over and over. Whereas I am not in favor of your Auschwitz for kids process, so you attacked me. Victims told me -- you guys are supporting Auschwitz for kids, I heard this from your agenda's victims. So the hypocrisy is, we need to continue Auschwitz for kids, and make pretend we are helping kids. </span><br /><br />Krishna Kirtan<br /><br />PS. And even beyond the Jagadish hypocrisy, the very tactic used by the lawyers was to attack ISKCON as an organization. RICO. That was their platform.<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: The lawyers saved many children by getting hundreds of them pulled out of GBC schools, and the suicides also almost stopped. And your Sanat and Mukunda guys told me, and the court, that we should have these children killed, chopped up and fed to dogs. So your platform is to allow child rapes and child suicides. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">Whereas! The karmi courts and lawyers are against child rapes and suicides, so they did what they could. It was not perfect, but it was better than your plan to continue Auschwitz for kids. Sulochana said the people who oppose us are "tossing children into a wood chipper." And you guys are upset we dried up your supply of children to toss in there, and that is all this about from square one. <br /></span><br />Instead of suing and addressing the perpetrators of the abuse and their leaders, the whole institution was attacked instead, causing harm to the entire institution, and even to all innocent mass of devotees who are part of ISKCON, and who had nothing to do with any of it. In other words, it was a stealthy contrived plan to destroy Srila Prabhupada’s legacy, person, and what he built: namely all his property, institution and everything associated with it.<br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br />PADA: So why didn't you gurukulis make your own lawsuit and sue the perps? And why have you guys not done that even by now? You guys are the people who have to make a legal criminal complaint, not me, or even Windle Turley. The victims have to file a complaint, and you guys didn't, and you guys still don't and won't.</span></span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">There was no plan to destroy ISKCON of any sort. The children were being raped and committing suicide and we wanted that stopped, and you guys wanted that to continue. The lawyers wanted to stop the ongoing molesting and suicides, that was all they mainly intended, and they did that. </span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">The institution suffered, because the parents / gurukula victims did not place any criminal charges on the perps and leaders a long time ago. Therefore, the institution looked collectively faulty and guilty. Same as the Catholic Church, it got sued because the leaders and parents were not acting properly, so the institution was blamed collectively. That is how these legal things operate.<br /></span><br />Therefore the Gurukuli lawsuit was actually an attack on the entire of ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada DIRECTLY by putting blame on HIM, all craftly designed and aimed primarily at destruction. In the end it offered very little return of financial significance for any of the victims, and worse yet: did not punish any of the actual singled out perpetrators actually responsible, including Jagadish, the hypocritical public voice for the lawsuit at the time.<br /><br />In sum, the lawsuit should not in any way be used as some kind of platform of victorious deeds. </span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Well yes, we all went over this before, you guys wanted to have more child rapes and child suicides continue, and not have your Auschwitz program fixed, and you think that is virtue. And that is why ex-children tell me you guys are a sadistic Satanic child sacrifice cult. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">The gurukulis did not file any criminal complaints, their parents also did not, so the institution became a target. Same things happen in the Church. If the parents and victims do not make criminal cases, and it gets covered up, then later the whole organization suffers. That happens all the time. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then Mathura Pati came along and he said he agrees with you, he wants to be the German Army Officer Generalfeldmarshall of your child rapes and suicides Auschwitz for kids program. He never says a word about why he wants rapes and suicides of children to continue, because he is -- according to some of the victims here -- a sadistic death camp general. They told me, he takes delight in seeing kids tortured and die. That is the impression he is creating. That is not my fault, it is his. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Then you ran off to promote this whacko guy, Bhāgavat Dharma Samāj. Wait a minute? Didn't he say in 1980 there was a lot of abuse going on in the gurukulas? And what did he do? He resigned and wandered off and did nothing about it. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is why you worship him, he is another bogus sadhu like many others in Vrndavana who knew about the abuse and did nothing. And there are sadhus TODAY who know about an abuser swami in Vrndavana now, and they are doing nothing. So you guys want to allow rapes and suicides to go on, and I believe your victims, you are a Satanic child abuse and suicide cult. When you guys do nothing, then the institution suffers, happens every day. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And now Prabhupadanuga EU is promoting you followers of this whacko sadhu, who says only people born in the dham can become pure. You are a bunch of racists. Srila Prabhupada says these "born in India" sadhus are on the bodily platform and we should avoid them. The very first thing Prabhupada says is, we are not this body, and your guru does not even know the basic points. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And Krishna Kirtan says the ritviks are bogus, we need to worship people in mundane bodily consciousness, and Prabhupadanuga EU is helping advertise this mundane bodily foolishness, which is another example of their hypocrisy. </span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And many victims thanked me for getting some money from the lawsuit, they said without that money they would have been starving and homeless, they at least got a car, or something to get going in life. So that is another thing, you Auschwitz for kids fans also like to make children starving, penniless and homeless, it all fits with your sadistic plans for children. Your agenda wanted them to be raped and die of suicide, or be starving and homeless, and you are just mad we cut off your supply of children to toss into your wood chipper. That is what even the media folks told me is the real issue here.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Oh boo hoo, we cut off Krishna Kirtan's supply of children to toss into his wood chipper program, and torture them in his Auschwitz for kids program, hoping they will get discouraged enough to die. Or what? I say the victims are right, you guys are a Satanic child sacrifice cult, and many media folks agree as well. And that is why we have to expose you, and we are.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><br /></div></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsBjjRDNN5OkrGij0QJQT8jFspT4vVmukNqlq5FAEkzn-CPCfjzrmV27cILIAz4ByO9dUSWANWsNYEwNQ0FfGOX5UVJmg8WnUDD35rzO7vneZSbNlxpOjHaaF3RwetQ6vdiFdVMYpJBlmoVlRlrXiznbro75IF9z6rlwL-iCztpwBxRhiiz01mIvuNsXMd/s1024/krampus%20bb.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="636" height="671" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsBjjRDNN5OkrGij0QJQT8jFspT4vVmukNqlq5FAEkzn-CPCfjzrmV27cILIAz4ByO9dUSWANWsNYEwNQ0FfGOX5UVJmg8WnUDD35rzO7vneZSbNlxpOjHaaF3RwetQ6vdiFdVMYpJBlmoVlRlrXiznbro75IF9z6rlwL-iCztpwBxRhiiz01mIvuNsXMd/w417-h671/krampus%20bb.jpg" width="417" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: trebuchet; font-size: large;">All glories to Beelzebub</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div><br /></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-85544589348163422332024-02-27T17:44:00.000-08:002024-02-27T18:13:51.660-08:00Adikarta Das (Adrian Hugh Scott) Arrest Record 02 27 24 <p><span style="background-color: #01ffff; color: #0b5394;"><b> <a href="https://bustednewspaper.com/florida/scott-adrian-hugh/20240226-200000/">Scott, Adrian Hugh | 2024-02-26 20:00:00 Miami-Dade County, Florida Booking (bustednewspaper.com)</a></b></span></p><p><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikKT7Zrym12Ef9a-H23sEtPFuV0ptQ_BtLglddOmslyTNu2MxbGteA-iIqTQui9M8rIL2Q9iOz9mTCymcaYHcG-d9P2Q77frR6tqXQqUFvHwWMwp-8NWJsIkOFxCiZbPiiQVnzT2eEFUiSOGyXC6jD1iVrfwOJ4g9JHaILn-IrpwnIveqLhNTrecdWBkXa/s2048/adrian%20hugh%20scott.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="946" height="1107" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikKT7Zrym12Ef9a-H23sEtPFuV0ptQ_BtLglddOmslyTNu2MxbGteA-iIqTQui9M8rIL2Q9iOz9mTCymcaYHcG-d9P2Q77frR6tqXQqUFvHwWMwp-8NWJsIkOFxCiZbPiiQVnzT2eEFUiSOGyXC6jD1iVrfwOJ4g9JHaILn-IrpwnIveqLhNTrecdWBkXa/w512-h1107/adrian%20hugh%20scott.jpg" width="512" /></a></div><br /><p></p><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: I think Adi Karta is about 78 years old. Probably not a good time to be beating people up, in this case attacking the husband in order to get some poor woman to be his disciple. The "child abuse" charge is because the person he attacked was holding a 4 years old child. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Evidently, he was violently slamming a car door onto this man. And some police were actually witnesses to the attack. Not too bright heh what? Oh goody, charged with<b> child abuse,</b> and he is going in the slammer, that is going to make him mighty popular in there! Yeah in prison "child abuse" is the lowest spot on the totem pole.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">These GBC gurus are really losing it these days. Well yeah, he thinks he is another Jesus and he can absorb sins from others. Maybe taking all this sin is driving him bonkers? I hope they throw the book at this guy and get him incarcerated for as long as possible, these guys need to be taken off the streets, they are a danger to mankind. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">If someone bonds him out, let us know who is defending / helping this rotten piece of work. I think that the victim's family should ADD further <i>personal</i> civil and criminal charges on this bogus Jesus, like creating mental anxiety, fraud and etc. Charge him with everything you can think of. Get him out of action, and I think the victims will.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Evidently he says we should make disciples because we will need their money in our old age. And his wife Rucira is pals with people like Laxmi Moni, who has a history of child mistreatment. And his various family members have been involved with the Alachua temple, where pedophile messiahs club members are allowed to lecture. Someone should also sue the charity he represents for making fraud messiahs.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Meanwhile I had a long talk with a devotee about Prabhupadanugas EU folks. And I told them about -- when they first objected to PADA in 1997, by saying the ISKCON children need to be chopped up and fed to dogs. And even some victims and courts folks noticed -- none of the leaders or perps needed to be taken to task, only the victims. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Get rid of the victims -- silence them -- and then the problem goes away, which is exactly how these pedophile cults folks operate all the time for centuries. Attack the victims and let the perps and orchestrators go free. And now they are coming after PADA, because they are boot lickers of the perps and their enablers, and they want to victimize the victims further.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Then they started blabbing about the Zionist bankers. Then the Hitler-anugas began to fight each other over the flat earth map, with some of them charging the other Hitler-padas with using a "Talmud flat earth map." In other words, they will eat their own, never mind us tasty treats! Hee hee!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Silence the victims and protect the perps and their enablers. In this case Prabhupadanug EU is acting as the molester messiah's cults enforcers, shastra defense team and enablers. This devotee says he does not want his name mentioned since it is evident these violent child molester defenders at Prabhupadanuga EU guys will make him a target. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway, I told him to go ahead and make comments using a pen name of initials, and he is going to. But yeah, it is another example of the cult meltdown stuff going on left, right and center these days. It is probably going to get worse way before it gets any better, but Krishna cleans things up in His own style, we are just His passengers on the bumpy ride. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">We really cannot tell Krishna to steer this way, or that way, or slow down, or speed up, He is in the driver's seat. Someone was asking me, why isn't Krishna going faster to clean it up? Well, good question, but you have to ask Him, I am just a passenger. Hee hee!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTdf7n7cznfJmPXLbYXewdQkTiwbV-yEMByTcKNJYMkxSIcIz2hd1yt0PUSMTVWamQzaKUPR6t6rN7xKc67-UJdUcFMT8lbSbqoPlVVlBzZ3RgbxgifFB_26JL425J3AzVKp2LxmJWFsfSUkO738hrP_nNuWl0v55PtbwTYgircFaRt0wrdWH2Vk_iO6eJ/s1024/spiritual%20opulence.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="589" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTdf7n7cznfJmPXLbYXewdQkTiwbV-yEMByTcKNJYMkxSIcIz2hd1yt0PUSMTVWamQzaKUPR6t6rN7xKc67-UJdUcFMT8lbSbqoPlVVlBzZ3RgbxgifFB_26JL425J3AzVKp2LxmJWFsfSUkO738hrP_nNuWl0v55PtbwTYgircFaRt0wrdWH2Vk_iO6eJ/w589-h589/spiritual%20opulence.jpg" width="589" /></a></div><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">We -- are from here.</span></div></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">We just forgot. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-19867371627192765192024-02-26T17:52:00.000-08:002024-02-26T19:04:53.289-08:00PADA apology to Ishan / Adi Karta Arrested for assault.<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaRDCRmQfqb2lazgghNqEwZ8vR6pTxoV7SSjszrDhyx8BtKSVjHgH69FooteLrysR2tEcNOZa8Tp8Q_AnaSbdR29tk4HvYiXVdbgjIOdLlnJ62OceN1bpfIRkl3OW9FLuk0uymUuvzr8vphAdyBELQO055PcU4tEyfzgrQLxIPPfoDJ5Gw7WSBIo-UQVs3/s1024/mediation.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="487" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaRDCRmQfqb2lazgghNqEwZ8vR6pTxoV7SSjszrDhyx8BtKSVjHgH69FooteLrysR2tEcNOZa8Tp8Q_AnaSbdR29tk4HvYiXVdbgjIOdLlnJ62OceN1bpfIRkl3OW9FLuk0uymUuvzr8vphAdyBELQO055PcU4tEyfzgrQLxIPPfoDJ5Gw7WSBIo-UQVs3/w487-h487/mediation.jpg" width="487" /></a></div><br /><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: I had a long conversation with Ishan today, and he said he was "absolutely horrified" to find that Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU was mis-using his name, as an alleged supporter of their web site and / or their ongoing campaign against PADA. He said PADA has absolutely done the right thing to help stop the molesting and suicides. And moreover it was the only sane and even brave thing to do. "It took a lot of guts to go after them." </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">He said he fully understands -- since his own child has suffered badly from all this, and he just cannot imagine anyone saying this mis-treatment should have been allowed to continue, as Prabhupadanuga EU people have been doing for the past 10 years or more. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And he said that anyone who is still defending -- allowing mistreating of children, and is thus going against PADA, is part of the demoniac underworld of lower hellish planets. And he said these people never should have even heard about Krishna, and they would have a much better future life if they never had any connection to Krishna whatever. In sum, they are a class of super lower life form asuras who infiltrated the Hare Krishnas.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway, we discussed many things, but the bottom line is, he does not want his name connected to any campaign against PADA, and he is very unhappy anyone would have mis-used his name in any manner on this issue, especially without asking his permission first. He says he was never consulted on any of this by Prabhupadanuga EU folks. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">I explained that Mathura Pati says that PADA stopping molesting and suicides is a bad idea, because he is -- at least according to Sulochana -- a boot licker for the butt busters. I explained that Mathura Pati is way worse than the GBC, because the GBC at least apologized for all the child mistreatment, and admitted it was wrong, whereas Mathura Pati is infuriated his favorite Auschwitz for kids program was contained. Ishan is very disappointed they mis-used his name for their propaganda, and they are similarly mis-using Krishna's name for their propaganda.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Anyway, we will work on a mutual public explanation later, we just got some of the basic ideas worked out. And he said he wants to help PADA get some free counselling for victims and so on and so forth, and that will be worked out eventually too. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So I hereby apologize to Ishan for making him part of any of this, he says his name has been hijacked and mis-used by Prabhupadanuga EU wrongly, he does not support their agenda in any way, shape or form. He never gave them ANY authority to lump his name in with their anti-children agenda. I told him I would make a public apology / clarification, this is a start, and we will work on more details later on. Bottom line, even I was temporarily fooled by all the liars on Prabhupadanuga EU. Sorry!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=================</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"> </span></div><span style="font-family: verdana;">DS: ISKCON guru Adikarta Das, puffed up pretentious and super lusty woman - hunting "guru" was just arrested today in Miami on felony charges of assault and battery against a devotee. Taken to jail in handcuffs by the police. Photos forthcoming. The dominos are tumbling. The cabal weakens one by one.<br /><br />The victim's brother is collecting the digital evidence, and writing up a factual report for the devotees. This is no scam. It happened just an hour or so ago on the corner outside the Miami temple. I'm receiving the traumatized texts at this moment. The police saw the whole thing and ran over to arrest Adikarta. Hauled him to jail.<br /><br />The devotees are also going for the arrest report on the police blotter.<br /><br />MD: </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">Adi Karta has been arrested today in Miami on felony battery charge on his way to GBC meeting in Mayapur. He was telling someone they should be a guru and have disciples "because some day you will need their money." </span><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />PADA: Anyway it is good he admits this is all about money ... cheaters in the name of guru.<br /><br />MD: I’ll let you know what happens.<br /><br />PADA: Great prabhu, thanks for the info. He should be sued for creating all this mental distress and exploiting ...<br /><br />MD: Thank you for your continued services.<br /><br />PADA: jayate<br /><br />MD: He went up to Dharma prabhu, former head pujari and said dharma you need to start taking disciples you will need their money. Dharma said that’s exactly why I would not become guru, then then got in debate in class cause Adi Karta was saying Srila Prabhupada got sick -- so wasn’t a Perfect being, minimizing Prabhupada so his false position can be justified.<br /><br />PADA: Yeah Prabhupada was sick because Adi Karta's pals were giving him heavy metal poisons.<br /><br />MD: Guy is no good. And yet he is the guru in Alachua. So sad.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Make disciples because you are going to need their money later. Really? Explains the whole thing.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">========</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Children of God</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: A woman who was once a child -- in the "Children of God" cult -- told me that the same things happened in her cult, the kids were exploited. She said all the elders are dying off now -- and none of the kids are interested, so it is a dying cult, the same as ISKCON. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">She also said it is the same thing with the Republican party, a bunch of old people with heart stents. false teeth and wigs, who are dying off. She says not one single person she knows gives a hoot about whether or not transgenders are running around, it is not an important issue for anyone but these fanatics. Very interesting perspective. She likes what I am doing. Jayate. </span></div><div><br /></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-36165907817992874482024-02-26T07:55:00.000-08:002024-02-26T07:55:59.947-08:00Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 7.9.12 <p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhviaveZ8KkZMdh6TL7RCSJIexj8zvSCXTCkBLUXuc357FFHBEYutCZTQOjgIO-KPuXdGQMBKCNMc5SCHeDdfLk9GuOyYWfQELArli_i7n90w1J7Y5ZzKM0t_aSq-IKklBDg0iTy2A8sjc_vRZQd-Yz_pPvIdeZGF2qXbg_PcEnbVJ9fvrAGLtdzf8oJgDX/s1024/k%20dacing.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1024" data-original-width="1024" height="485" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhviaveZ8KkZMdh6TL7RCSJIexj8zvSCXTCkBLUXuc357FFHBEYutCZTQOjgIO-KPuXdGQMBKCNMc5SCHeDdfLk9GuOyYWfQELArli_i7n90w1J7Y5ZzKM0t_aSq-IKklBDg0iTy2A8sjc_vRZQd-Yz_pPvIdeZGF2qXbg_PcEnbVJ9fvrAGLtdzf8oJgDX/w485-h485/k%20dacing.jpg" width="485" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /> </span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Śrīmad-Bhāgava</span><span style="font-family: verdana;">tam 7.9.12</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Date: Feb. 19, 1976</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Location: Māyāpur</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Play / pause<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 7.9.12</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Śāstrījī: Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [chants verse, with Prabhupāda and devotees repeating] [break]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">sarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīṣam</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">nīco 'jayā guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">pūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">[SB 7.9.12]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Dayānanda: [chants synonyms; devotees chant responsively]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">[03:13]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Translation = "Therefore, although I am born in a demonic family, even still, without any doubt, I may offer prayers to the Lord as far as possible by me. Any person who is engaged in offering prayer and hearing glories of the Lord becomes purified from the material condition of life."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Prabhupāda:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">sarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīṣam</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">nīco 'jayā guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">pūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">[SB 7.9.12]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">This verse is given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu in another distinct form, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. It doesn't matter where I am born. That is not important thing. Nīco, even one is very lowborn by freaks of nature... Nobody can guarantee where he'll take his birth. Karmaṇā daiva netreṇa [SB 3.31.1]. I'll have to take my birth according to my fruitive activities, controlled by nature. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ [Bg. 3.27]. We are all completely under the control of the laws of material nature, guṇa-visarga. So according to the quality or modes of material nature we associate, we create another body. There are many places this thing has been described in the Bhagavad-gītā. Māyayā, yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati, bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni [Bg. 18.61]. Just like that Jamnagar Agarwal, that... He is now in the police custody. Now he is crying, "Save me, save me, save me." But nature's law is very strict. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. Once you have committed mistake, immediately nature's law reacts, and it is very difficult to come out of it. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">But there is only one way. That is anuvarṇitena, repeatedly chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, repeatedly. That is the only way. Harer nāmaiva kevalam. That is recommended by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet [SB 12.3.51]. This is the simple... Kali-yuga, this is the only way. Kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann hy asti eko mahān guṇaḥ. This is the greatest qualification of Kali-yuga. Great personalities, they very much eulogize Kali-yuga that there is simple method and so sublime = simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, one becomes completely purified. Pūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena. Anu means repetition, and anu means following the footsteps of authority, spiritual master, anu. Our process is anu. We don't manufacture anything. We simply follow. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Mahājanas, great personalities, great authorities, that is our process. Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete kariyā aikya, āra na koriya mane āśa. This is the process. The guru-mukha-padma-vākya, whatever is coming out of the mouth of the spiritual master... Because he'll never speak nonsense. He'll also speak the same thing which he has heard from his guru. That is called anu, anu, following. So this is very easy. We don't manufacture things. What is the use of manufacturing things? We are imperfect; what we can manufacture? Whatever we shall manufacture, that is imperfect because we are imperfect. The modern scientists, they are manufacturing some ideas. I manufacture, and you manufacture some idea. You defeat me; I defeat you. So tarkaḥ apratiṣṭhaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. In this way---I defeat you; you defeat me---that will not solve the problem. The problem will be solved when we follow the authority. Anuvarṇitena. Then the problems will be...</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Prahlāda Mahārāja, he's already purified. His head was touched by Nṛsiṁha-deva. He's completely pure. Therefore, although he was only child, five years old, he is speaking the, I mean to say, gist conclusion of the śāstra. Anuvarṇitena. He understood that "I am not born in a brāhmaṇa family. I am born nīca, low-grade family, asura family. My father was a asura, so I am born of him. So I have no prestigious position. Still, Kṛṣṇa is satisfied simply by devotional service." That has been already explained. "So let me offer my prayers to the Lord sincerely." Yathā manīṣam: "As far as I have got my intelligence... I am not supposed to be very intelligent, because I am lowborn. I am not born in a brāhmaṇa family, neither I am old enough, educated. Still, I have to offer my prayers. So let me try to offer my prayers by following the authorities, anuvarṇitena, without any," what is called, "doubt." Tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava: "without any doubt." Why? That is the perfect way. If we follow the previous ācāryas, then there is no question of lamentation. Anuvarṇitena. Simply... This is very nice method. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's philosophy is there, yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa upa... You haven't got to manufacture for preaching. You haven't got to. This is nonsense. You simply follow what Kṛṣṇa has said. Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa upadeśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Then you become guru.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Prahlāda Mahārāja became guru. Out of the twelve mahājanas, he is one of them.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">svayambhūr nāradaḥ śaṁbhuḥ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">kapilaḥ kaumāro manuḥ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">prahlādo janako bhīṣmaḥ...</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">[SB 6.3.20]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">They are mahājanas. So we have to follow Prahlāda Mahārāja. He is our guru, pūrva-ācārya. Nārada is pūrva-ācārya. He is disciple of Nārada. Therefore he is ācārya, and his disciplic succession... There are sampradāyas: Brahma-sampradāya, Kaumāra-sampradāya... Anyone who is bona fide ācārya, he can create his own disciplic succession, but one disciplic succession and the other disciplic, they are not different; they are of the same conclusion. The Vaiṣṇava ācāryas, just like our Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya and Nimbārka, and... Who that? Rudra-sampradāya, Viṣṇu Svāmī. They are all of the same movement. Ārādhyo-bhagavān vrajeśa-tanayaḥ, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. That is their conclusion. There is no different conclusion. Although they have got varieties of methods---śuddhādvaita, dvaitādvaita, vaśiṣṭādvaita, like that---they present the same philosophy in clear way. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu presented the same philosophy, that acintya-bhedābheda. That is ācārya. Ācārya gives some way for simple understanding. The same conclusion, but according to the time, circumstances, they give a very easy method to understand. That is ācārya. Ācārya is following strictly the previous ācārya, but according to the circumstances, he may make little changes. That is... That change is not change from the original idea. No.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Prahlāda Mahārāja's conclusion is that "I shall offer my prayers, glorifying the Lord according to my capacity." Yathā manīṣam. Everyone is not of the same intellect. You may be more intelligent than me; another may be more intelligent than you. But that varieties of intelligence does not mean missing the real point. The real point is the same. Just like Kṛṣṇa has got so many queens, or He, in Vṛndāvana, He was associated with so many gopī friends or cowherd boy friends. So everyone was Kṛṣṇa's devotee, everyone loved Kṛṣṇa, but there were varieties, varieties, vaicitra. It is called vaicitra. Kṛṣṇa is not without variety. Just see in the flower. Kṛṣṇa says, puṇyo gandhaḥ pṛthivyāṁ ca [Bg. 7.9]. The flavor is Kṛṣṇa. We were studying in the morning. But there are still varieties of flavor. The rose flower has got a particular type of aroma; another flower, aroma. So the Māyāvādī philosophers, they cannot understand that the variety, vaicitra, is creation of Kṛṣṇa. Although they are one, the same, Kṛṣṇa, puṇyo gandhaḥ pṛthivyāṁ ca, but still there are varieties. Everywhere you'll find varieties, visesata. And the Māyāvādī philosopher---nirviśeṣa. In common English it is said, "Variety is the mother of enjoyment."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Kṛṣṇa wants this variety. So you all are devotees. Your..., the central point is to love Kṛṣṇa and offer Him service, but that service may be of variety. Variety. You cannot claim that because you are serving Kṛṣṇa in a type, and therefore, if somebody is serving in a different way---must be approved by the authorities---you cannot criticize him. Varieties. Variety is the mother of enjoyment. The same vegetable, the same ghee, the same salt, same spices, but there are varieties of preparations. That is required. We Vaiṣṇava, we want varieties. Bahūnmukhi-sevā. How... The central point is how... The Vṛndāvana, Kṛṣṇa is the central point. The cowherd boys, they are satisfying Kṛṣṇa by going in the forest, playing with Him, mock-fighting with Him. That is also variety. And when He comes home, Kṛṣṇa is taken care by Mother Yaśodā, different dress, different foodstuff---variety. Similarly, when in the company of the gopīs, varieties, So variety is the mother of enjoyment. So it is not that I'll have to do exactly like you. I'll have to serve Kṛṣṇa, but no mental concoction; following the footstep, anuvarṇitena. Again, you can create variety, but it must not deviate from the original authority. That is wanted.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Prahlāda Mahārāja decided, tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya sarvātmanā. Real thing is with heart and soul everything. No reservation. Just like Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, he surrenders to Kṛṣṇa everything, whatever he has got. He says, manasa deha geha, yo kichu mora: "Whatever I have got; no reservation." So what I have got in this material...? He said, "I have got this body, material body, lump of matter, and I have got my wife; simply changing from this platform to that platform." Because my business is saṅkalpa-vikalpa. We accept something---"It is very good"---and next time we reject it---"No, it is not good." This is mind's business. So Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says, "I have got this lump of body." I am... We are very much proud of possessing, but what we have got? We have got this body and the mind. And with the mind we have created so many things---"This is my house. This is my wife. This is my children." Nobody is your. You have come according to your karma, and they have come according to their karma, and it is a play only that one is father, one is mother, one is son. It is by arrangement of the material nature. Kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya [Bg. 13.22]. Everything will be finished in the twinkling of an eye. So actually it has no fact, but we think this is our possession. Therefore Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura said that "My possession means some mental concoction and this lump of body." Mānasa deha geha. "So therefore, whatever possession I have got, I surrender unto You." Mānasa deha geha, yo kichu mora. This is surrender. Arpilun tuwā pade, nanda-kiśora.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So the real process is to surrender to Kṛṣṇa and act according to your best... Kṛṣṇa will give you intelligence. First of all we have to become sincere, heart and soul. Sarvātmanā. Sarva means "all," or ātmā means "body," ātmā means "mind," ātmā means "soul." Three meanings of ātmā. So sarvātmanā. Your body, the other day I explained, karmaṇā manasā vācā: "By your working capacity, by your mind, by your words..." This is called tri-daṇḍa. We Vaiṣṇava sannyāsī, we take three daṇḍa. This is three, karmaṇā manasā vācā: by activities, by mind and by words. The preaching is word; therefore word is the last = thinking, feeling, willing and then action. So mind should be settled up, that "I shall sincerely serve Kṛṣṇa, and because I am not expert, therefore to understand how to serve..." Ādau gurvāśrayam. One has to accept guru. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta [SB 11.3.21]. The śāstra says, "In order to take direction, one must surrender to guru." Kṛṣṇa says, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā [Bg. 4.34]. That is the whole Vedic injunction.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">So Prahlāda Mahārāja has already surrendered to Lord Brahmā, Nārada, and whatever intelligence he has got, he is trying to utilize it for satisfying the Supreme Lord. And yesterday we have discussed that how we can satisfy Kṛṣṇa. He is ātmarāma. Nija-lābha-pūrṇaḥ. He's already satisfied with His own profit. What we can satisfy? So our that endeavor to satisfy means our satisfaction. The example is given that tac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ [SB 7.9.11]. If we serve Kṛṣṇa, then we'll be satisfied. We are not satisfied by serving māyā. If we want satisfaction at all, then we serve Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. Everyone is dissatisfied. That is... Because we are serving māyā, there must be dissatisfaction. There must be dissatisfaction. Nobody can be peaceful within this material world so long he is under the clutches of māyā. That is not possible. But these rascals, they do not know this. It is said everywhere, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">sarva-loka-maheśvaram</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">jñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">[Bg. 5.29]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Kṛṣṇa said. But we do not take Kṛṣṇa's words. Śānti means we have to accept these three principles. What is that? Kṛṣṇa is the enjoyer; He is the master; He is the proprietor. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sar... You are performing yajña. You are performing tapasya, penances. You are observing brahmacarya. So many there are, different rules and regulations. But what is the idea? To serve Kṛṣṇa, or to satisfy... [break]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">The sense will remain. We do not become imperson, senseless or non-sense. No. The sense must be there. It should be purified. And as soon as we purify, then we have no other business than to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. And so long we are not purified, we satisfy our senses. This is the difference between karma and bhakti.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Thank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: verdana;">Devotees and children: Jaya Prabhupāda! Hare Kṛṣṇa! [end]</span></p>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2478589417348774686.post-33094690611204422552024-02-24T12:07:00.000-08:002024-02-24T12:13:55.638-08:00Who Started The Crap Storm? / India Justice is Slow / Sinister Movement 02 24<div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrxpjWEjlrRrgYycL3-eBztT4LQItPU_pmi9V6_BjiR3bueNNsHj2-m91qLptGdElJJL5bhyphenhyphenG1wiwcGEb3Md4VEqatdfb1Di3Zu60CVK_FVa6cRjUSlH6EjzcXzJHdgAnUtoxhCynCTSEcZlH3Fg9iOuXV33unvW3RjBO7TfU7G0s8LNZHlKyBjSSOWSIR/s960/bogus%20guru.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="960" data-original-width="588" height="654" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrxpjWEjlrRrgYycL3-eBztT4LQItPU_pmi9V6_BjiR3bueNNsHj2-m91qLptGdElJJL5bhyphenhyphenG1wiwcGEb3Md4VEqatdfb1Di3Zu60CVK_FVa6cRjUSlH6EjzcXzJHdgAnUtoxhCynCTSEcZlH3Fg9iOuXV33unvW3RjBO7TfU7G0s8LNZHlKyBjSSOWSIR/w401-h654/bogus%20guru.jpg" width="401" /></a></div><br /></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Thanks for the question prabhu. "Who started this big crap flying contest." </span><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">A PADA helper says that it started when Dhamaghosa was the original person distributing the old Raghunath letter, trying to prove that we Prabhupadanugas are the persons causing troubles to the ISKCON children. And evidently Dhamaghosa did not even consider that Raghunath's mom had just passed, he had been stabbed almost to death, and he was struggling financially, and it would NOT be a good time to bring him into another whole controversy. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Nor did Raghunath ever ask to be included in this controversy now. In sum, don't kick a person when he is already down. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And neither Dhamaghosha answered why his friend Ishan was writing favorably about Swami Tripurari, who ran off to the Gaudiya Math. </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">But evidently these guys are on vicious political vendettas and people's personal problems don't matter a whole lot. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><span face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-size: 16px;">July 20, 2012 Harmonist</span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; outline: none;" /><span face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-size: 16px;">Please do not be offended by my assertions. </span><b style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; outline: none;">I see you [Tripurari swami] as the foremost, if not the only, real representitive of His Divine Grace, A. C. Bhaktivendanta Swami Prabhupada, in this world today.</b><span face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-size: 16px;"> </span><b style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; outline: none;">And I hunger for your association and good wishes for my spiritual advancement.</b><span face="verdana, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-size: 16px;"> </span><b style="background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; outline: none;">Please don’t kick me away. Ishan</b></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">They are helping people, by hurting them. This happens all the time, the Gaudiya Matha people like Ishan are promoting peace and love bhakti, for example Sridhara Maharaja guys like Jayatirtha. But the followers of Jayatirtha wanted to beat me up, and harm me badly or worse, and I was only saved because a few guys with guns came out and chased their angry "Peace and Love" mob away, and probably saved my life. And then Jayatirtha's head was chopped off -- because he was having sex with the wife of a follower. So much peace and love here! Hee hee.</span></div><div><br /></div><div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">So it is clear Ishan promoted the Tripurari / Sridhara Maharaja worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program. And their program is credited with creating an Auschwitz for kids program, and we need to work with the mentors / promoters of that group. Yeah no kidding. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">As soon as I said there is a child abuse issue, Sridhara Maharaja said "none should protest." Great help that is! Tripurari was yelling and waving his hands in front of the San Francisco restaurant yelling "This man [me] is a demon" and I thought he was going to punch me. All the crowd waiting for the bus thought this Tripurari guy is an angry lunatic. And Ishan says we should have Tripurari as our authority. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Can't wait to associate with the program that forces little children to worship homosexual pedophiles as their messiahs! </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Exactly same thing happened when Ishan totally cut me off repeatedly when I was on a conference call to discuss these issues. So that is why Srila Prabhupada said, do not associate with these Gaudiya Matha folks, they will divide and destroy my mission, and they did. OK like the Bible says, Satan with divide my church. Ishan could not answer these questions, and so he had to cut me off. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And then Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU started to run off with these issues -- citing -- ok let us listen to: -- [wait for it] Ishan; -- New Vrndavana / Drug addict / Gaudiya Math groupie Swarup Hebel; -- Bhavananada's bucket boy Hari Sauri; -- Bhakta das and his Gaudiya Math / Saint Radhanath program; -- Laxmi Kary -- who was telling everyone to go to New Vrndavana to worship Bhakti pedo pada; -- Mukunda and his Zionist bankers Hitler-anugas; -- Krishna Kanta -- who was telling me to help him "make a deal" with Jayapataka, the head honcho of Auschwitz for kids programs, and their other assorted cast of characters who have opposed us cleaning up the child abuse sometimes for decades. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And Mathura Pati says "PADA is a liar," which is the same identical mantra his homosexual and pedophile messiah's club leaders like Tamal have said since 1978. They cannot even come up with a new mantra since all these years, he has to cite Judas all of his life. And the Berkeley Police, courts, media, many victims etc. says -- calling PADA a liar has ENABLED the MASS MOLESTING of THOUSANDS of CHILDREN. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Why does Mathura Pati types want to work with / promote the people who enable mass child abuse? </span><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">OK Sulochana answers, Sulochana calls guys like Mathura Pati "boot lickers for the butt busters." Oh let me worship Tamal and call PADA a liar, so we can -- bust more butts? Where do I sign up? And HKC Jaipur people were sending me the link to their Bhakta das video, ten times in the same day. Oh no! PADA is not promoting Saint Radhanath!</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span style="font-family: verdana;">Sorry, your team has been creating the mass children mistreatment issue and not our team. </span><span style="font-family: verdana;">But the Gaudiya Matha leaders created a similar "divide and conquer" disaster in 1936, and we should not think they have anything good to offer us. So anyway, yeah it looks like they wanted to start another fire in the Matha, which is what their mentors did in 1936. But even Prahlad Maharaja says, the people who think they are my enemies are under the control of the material energy. </span></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Fortunately, many people have learned a long time ago -- to ignore these folks and use PADA as their info source, including many Vaishnavas, and various law enforcement, mass media TV folks etc. Even some big guy in the Mayapur ISKCON management just now asked me about some issues. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">And that is why it is said, if you spit at the sky, it lands back in your own face. In any case, the truth is what it is, and nothing really changes that despite lots of propaganda. </span></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;">========</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><br /></span><br /> <span style="background-color: #d9d2e9;"><a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-tiger-father-stands-assaulted-102040098.html">In 'To Kill a Tiger,' a father stands by his assaulted daughter. Oscar, stand by them. (yahoo.com)</a><br /><br />In 'To Kill a Tiger,' a father stands by his assaulted daughter. </span></span><div><span style="background-color: #d9d2e9; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="background-color: #d9d2e9;">Isha Sharma<br /><br />It’s a universal truth, commonly unacknowledged, that there's an implicit set of rules women are conditioned to follow from a young age in order to remain safe. For centuries, we’ve been taught to adjust to a patriarchal society – in which we are not considered fundamentally equal – by changing our behavior or appearance to blend in, thwart unsolicited attention and avoid danger.<br /><br />This is how it has been, but I refuse to believe this is how it must be.<br /><br />As the Oscars voting begins Thursday, I urge members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to consider the nominated documentary "To Kill a Tiger," which provides a stereoscopic view into the intersectional manifestations of sexual violence against women and girls in India.<br /><br />The documentary follows Kiran, 13, and her family in their village over more than a year. The opening scene, filmed in 2017, features a close-up of Kiran braiding her hair with colorful ribbons while a voice-over describes how she had been sexually assaulted by three men after a family wedding – one of the assailants was her cousin.<br /><br />"To Kill a Tiger," nominated for an Oscar for best documentary, follows Kiran, 13, and her family in a village in India after she had been sexually assaulted by three men in 2017. The film's website says it's about "a father whose love for his daughter forces a social reckoning that will reverberate for years to come."<br /><br />A woman is raped every 16 minutes somewhere in India<br /><br />Though legislation around women’s rights and sexual assault in India has progressed in the past decade – spurred on, in part, by horrifying high-profile cases that sparked worldwide outrage – checks and balances are seemingly nonexistent with an overarching culture change lagging behind.<br /><br />In 2011, according to data released by the National Crime Records Bureau, a woman was raped every 20 minutes in India. By 2021, this rate increased to a woman every 16 minutes with a total of 31,677 cases registered, or 87 cases a day.<br /><br />According to the nongovernmental organization Equality Now, most cases are never officially reported due to attitudes toward police officers who had turned away survivors, bribery and corruption, intrusive medical examinations, pressure to compromise or settle cases, low conviction rates and lack of support services for survivors.<br /><br />Perhaps this is why I was taken aback by the fact that in "To Kill a Tiger," Ranjit, a farmer, chose to support his daughter and filed a court case the very next day.<br />In the Oscar-nominated documentary "To Kill a Tiger," Ranjit, a farmer in India, chooses to support his daughter after she was sexually assaulted and filed a court case the very next day.<br /><br />In the Oscar-nominated documentary "To Kill a Tiger," Ranjit, a farmer in India, chooses to support his daughter after she was sexually assaulted and filed a court case the very next day.<br /><br />In an interview about her documentary, Emmy- and Oscar-nominated Indian Canadian director Nisha Pahuja told me: “If you think about the history of how change happens, there’s always that one person that’s willing to take a stand and speak the truth. That’s Ranjit. In his community, and even in India, there are so few men that actually will stand by their daughters. And here’s this man that did it.”<br /><br />Meanwhile, Ranjit and his family experienced backlash from other village members for disrupting the peace and going against the status quo. What was fascinating, though not surprising, were the justifications that the villagers – both men and women – used to excuse the predators for their actions. It was almost as if they had blinders on: They didn’t want to see what they didn’t want to see.<br /><br />#MeToo movement: Sean 'Diddy' Combs lawsuits show how sexual assault survivors can leverage public opinion<br /><br />While most of the villagers were sympathetic – or at least seemed uncomfortable – by what had occurred, the majority thought that prosecution was unjust, that the village dynamics were in jeopardy, that the teen shouldn’t have been out past midnight, and that the easiest way to remove the “stain” on her was to marry her off to one of the men who assaulted her.<br /><br />This type of groupthink is lethal if left unchecked, its adverse effects permeating for generations.<br /><br />'I said I would kill the tiger'<br /><br />At one point in the documentary, the female defense attorney representing the three accused men says in Hindi, “This isn’t the West. Here, I can’t even trust my own son,” implying that the onus is on village girls and women to keep themselves safe.<br /><br />Regarding such victim blaming that allows individuals to operate without fear of consequence, best-selling author Rupi Kaur told me, “The first thought shouldn’t be to defend the perpetrator, whether they’re a man or woman – the first thought should always be to ask the survivor what they need and hold the perpetrator responsible."<br /><br />“Unless men become increasingly involved, nothing is going to change,” added director Pahuja, who’s made a career out of advocating for gender parity and human rights. “For too long, as women, we’ve been carrying the burden of equality on our shoulders when we aren’t the problem. The issue is patriarchy and masculinity.”<br /><br />But to dismantle an entire system, there must be a revolution of consciousness – one where human beings recognize their individual roles in upholding a patriarchal society that tolerates sexual violence and oppresses women.<br /><br />“In order to reduce sexual assault we all need to be a part of the conversation. We all live in a shared society, which means all members have to join the cause to stop the violence,” Kaur said. “How can we expect half the population to empathize with survivors if they’re not at the table discussing with us?”<br /><br />Isha Sharma is a first-generation Indian American writer based in Brooklyn, New York.<br /><br />In the final minutes of "To Kill a Tiger," we witness the traumatized Kiran turn hopeful and her exhausted father in buoyant repose. Despite all odds, together, they’ve won: After a 14-month trial, the perpetrators were sentenced to 25 years in prison. With a hint of pride and a glimmer of a smile, Ranjit states, “I said I would kill the tiger, and I did.”<br /><br />In an Oscars’ race where large budget films regularly dominate, a rare cinematic triumph that showcases what happens when we believe in girls and women warrants center stage.<br /><br />Isha Sharma, a first-generation Indian American writer based in New York City, is a Case Western Reserve University and Georgetown University graduate. Follow her on Instagram: @isha__sharma</span><br /></span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">PADA: Similar dynamics have made it hard to get justice for sexual abuse in ISKCON. Or even, ISKCON is worse -- because victims and whistleblowers can really face more severe consequences for attempts at getting justice. Just look at even so-called reformers like Krishna Kant's IRM telling me not to pursue the child abuse issue, and let the molesting and suicides continue. And worse, let us work with Jayapataka, a leader of the molesting empire. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Suppressing the problem, does not address or solve it. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Someone told me ISKCON is improving because it will become a full on Hindu society and culture very soon. Well that is partially true, it could not get any worse, hee hee. But there are problems even in the Hindu culture, as we see herein. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">Meanwhile Srila Prabhupada did not want ISKCON to become "another version of the Hindus." It is another deviation. OK it might be a better deviation than the current version, but Hindu culture has some of its own issues and one issue is, they are often hodge podge compromised with diluted siddhanta, such as mayavada, demigod worship, businessman consciousness, Bollywood culture etc. Which means, one has to take another series of births and deaths, which is really another big problem. </span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">ys pd</span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-family: verdana;">angel108b@yahoo.com</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">=========<br /><br />“THE GREAT SINISTER MOVEMENT IS WITHIN OUR SOCIETY This famous phrase from a Srila Prabhupada letter in 1970 to Hansadutta das was always a mystery to devotees: what was Srila Prabhupada referring to? </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The Gaudiya Math’s envious Godbrothers who wanted to take over ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada’s disciples? Maybe, in part. But we think it refers to the entrance into ISKCON of those who had strong personal ambitions to take Srila Prabhupada’s place, to replace him with themselves. After all, this 1970 incident was about some senior disciples who had relegated Srila Prabhupada to a figurehead role and tried to take over the management. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The great sinister movement is when the personal ambition to become guru becomes organized, as in the plot to poison Srila Prabhupada’s body and then poison his mission with policies and doctrines which facilitate the illegitimate installation of disqualified men on the seat of Vyasadeva. In the wake of the pure devotee’s unparalleled success, ambitious men sought to artificially achieve such greatness and transcendence for themselves, attached to profit, adoration, and distinction. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The scheme to poison Srila Prabhupada was meant to remove him and take his place, and the zonal acharya successors did this horrendously well until they were forced by maya and their own weaknesses to modify their plan- including all other similarly ambitious persons as well! Thus the infection and pollution of serving one’s dirty heart became an accepted practice, all in the disguise of... holy preaching. As though one cannot preach without sitting in Srila Prabhupada’s place…"</span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br />For 40+ years the great sinister movement of facilitating personal ambition by exploiting the assets of the real Acharya Srila Prabhupada have been staining, defiling, percolating, and seeping into the fabric of Srila Prabhupada’s mission. ISKCON became a series of guru franchise operations from ultra-large like Jayapataka and Radhanath with 50,000 disciples each, to the one or two disciple, small- time gurus. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The purity of the mission was lost, especially within the institution itself. Thousands of devotees refused to cooperate with the jackals and hyenas who ravaged Srila Prabhupada’s properties for selfish desires and they remain outside the institution. The real history of ISKCON must be made known for their edification. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Book Two: The Poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s Mission and Mercy will put together the evidence and facts of how the poisoners and their followers (cheaters and the cheated) practically ruined Srila Prabhupada’s hard work, one deviation at a time until ISKCON would be unrecognizable to Srila Prabhupada himself. Today’s officially accepted policies and doctrines are those Srila Prabhupada clearly spoke against. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">Few study Srila Prabhupada’s books. Srila Prabhupada’s instructions are continually de-emphasized, and new gurus are free to audaciously enunciate their own interpretations as they like, no questions allowed. “But when the guru departs, sadhu and shastra can take on a new import, as those who succeed him become the new interpreters of past precedents, scriptural law, and the new set of circumstances.” (Perils of Succession, Tamal 1996) <br /><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The great sinister movement of personal ambition (Tamalism) must be weeded out and purged from Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Whether that means a restoration of the original ISKCON institution (IRM), which would seem ever more unlikely considering how badly corrupted it has become, or it means a new ISKCON, such as breakaway temples (Bangalore Group, Singapore ISKM), or starting again from scratch (Hare Krishna Society), the open discussion of issues and distribution of facts, evidence, and truths must be aggressively fought for and practiced. </span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana;">The truth dispels all ignorance; just as when the Sun rises, darkness is automatically dissipated. The magic of Lord Chaitanya and Srila Prabhupada’s mercy is such that, as preordained, the “Golden Age” will change the face of this planet for thousands of years. The great sinister movement does not stand a chance. Of course, how soon personal ambition is purged depends on sincere and proactive devotees who strive to please Srila Prabhupada with their words, minds, body, wealth, actions, and life. Without fear.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories,1.700)<br /><br /></span><span style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></div></div></div>krishna1008http://www.blogger.com/profile/01723561177692442276noreply@blogger.com5