Saturday, May 23, 2015

Bhajahari Murphy (UK) is snoring ...

Are we supposed to be snoring when there is injustice?

PADA: Thanks Bhajahari Murphy (UK) but your plan for devotees to "be more mellow" is how all the banning, beating, molesting and murders took place. You folks were so busy "being mellow" you allowed your own Church to be turned into a criminal empire which was mistreating women, children, brahmanas and cows, all of which was being reported in the newspapers -- as you slept and snored.

At the same time, it appears your "going along to get along" program of acquiescing helped put the main suspects in Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint into big Vyasa seats, where their empire remains even today. Not sure how that helped things along? You put your head in the sand hoping the boogey man would disappear, and he didn't, great strategy there!

And yet, as soon as we announced the poison issue, then you and your Krishna Kanta (IRM) party said that you are "declaring war" on PADA and / or the poison issue, which you folks said is all "fabrication." Yep, you guys are always ready to kiss the jack boots of Judas and Pontius Pilate, and fight tooth and nail -- to help the evil doers -- and squash us. So you are friendly and mellow with the evil doers, while we get your jack boots in our faces.

Yep! Lets help Judas, and attack the people who oppose Judas? And by your saying the poison issue is bogus -- that helped me get death threats for "making things up." That is how you and your pals program gets people like us killed, you repeat the slogans of the fanatical supporters of the Judas sabha. Your program is the program that is creating the fanaticism and violence, direct or de facto.

You folks were -- as you yourself admit -- "snoring." Well duh, even most of the karmis ALREADY know what happened here, you folks were sleeping as the pirates hi-jacked your ship. And thus you enabled a criminal empire to begin to emerge in ISKCON by acquiescing with it. Thus, even the average guy in the street ALREADY knows you guys were too busy sleeping and snoring, and thus you did not counteract the evil empire and its agenda.

But! You will suddenly wake up and start a "full scale WW III" program -- as soon as someone attacks your Judas pal's "poison sabha" regime. Only then you will wake up to fight big time -- because we are against the worship of Judas. Yep, you will go to sleep as women and children are victimized, but as soon as the Judas poisoner program is getting a poke in the nose, you are out there with your boxing gloves on -- to defend and protect Judas, the real love of your lives?

The fact that you folks acquiesce if not protect a criminal messiahs program is ALREADY well known and self evident to the mass of public (and to the mass of devotees, hence the giant exodus to the Gaudiya Matha -- to get away from the criminal's messiah's project). This is not even big news anymore, the average Joe on the street knows you folks were too busy snoring as ISKCON's devotees, women, children and cows were being victimized, because all this was exposed and duly reported in all their news medias many times over.

And the mass of devotees already knows that as soon as we went after the Judas party, you defended that party and KK declared full scale war on PADA, because Krishna Kanta was meeting with Jayapataka and co. trying to work with them (and not us). Yep, you folks wanted to have tea and crumpets with "the poison is going down" program. We all know about that too. You are still tethered to them. And thus Krishna Kanta said we need to stop the PADA news in 1997, and stop the poison case, and not sue the GBC over the changed books etc. (so we can prop up JPS).

OK we agree, the few of us who made public protests could not save the situation, but at least we protested in public and made some effort to confront the evil doers, which is why me and Sulochana ended up on their hit list. The reason we were on their hit list is because -- not enough folks joined with us (ok guys like yourself). And so we were seen as only a very few "isolated crank" targets.

And that process emboldened the evil doers to come after us. And they did. The evil doers plan was, we dissenters would go down, and then the rest of you folks would simply continue sleeping and snoring on the lap of maya, and the status quo would remain. That means your snoring policy was for starters -- placing us in danger. And this resulted in Sulochana's being murdered, because the evil doers knew people like you would not protest even if they did murder some of us. And that is what factually happened.

Thus! Even AFTER the Sulochana murder -- the main people who went after the GBC were the karmi media, karmi police and FBI (whom we helped) and not so much the rank and file devotees like yourself. And now you are still saying our program was foolish and fanatical, just as our banning, beating, killers were saying the whole while. You are saying what they are saying, these guys are too critical, loose cannons, fanatics, offenders etc. and that is how you folks get us killed.

After Sulochana was murdered we did not (for example) see any of you guys out protesting with signs in front of the Watford / Letchmore Heath manor -- protesting that the leaders there are placing deviants into Vyasa seats resulting in killing of dissenters. There really wasn't a significant peep from you guys, thus the people who protested and exposed this were mainly -- the "karmi" media folks.

The karmi society had to do your job for you, and protest your own brothers being assassinated. The karmis had to tell you that allowing deviants in a Vyasa and allowing them to assassinate dissenters is wrong, thus the karmis had to preach to you about what is right and what is not. You could not figure this out on your own, they had to preach to you about what your duty is supposed to be.

Whereas in the Catholic Church we find abuse and other victims making -- public protests. Of course in India several thousand people will gather to protest a bad traffic intersection that is causing accidents, because they have at least some symptoms of life.

Your acquiescing attitude is how you folks got us people killed in the first place: (A) we are protesting the evil doers, (B) you folks are saying we are foolish fanatics (and offenders) which then feeds the idea that we are simply trouble makers, and offenders etc. -- and that makes us targets for violence. That is how you folks get us beaten and killed.

That is how your ilk aided and abetted the entire process of banning, beating, molesting and murders, you painted us "dissenters" as fools and fanatics, and you still are. And you are apparently quite proud of your helping that agenda? Sorry. Acquiescing with criminals simply causes MORE criminal mayhem and victimization,

Sulochana said, that you guys painting us as fanatics is -- painting a bull's eye on our backs, you folks are agreeing with the GBC -- that we are the main problem. Of course you "mellow" folks saying our opposing homosexuals and child molesters posing as messiahs is "fanatical," is how you goody two shoes folks co-created a huge molestation empire, and got some of us killed in the process. You knocked the legs off our opposition to that regime by branding us as foolish and fanatical, and that is how you empowered the molester empire and its violent dissent suppressing regime. And this was confirmed many times by Sulochana, he used to call you guys the silent majority "zombies."

Thank God the karmis saved us from you slackers. Yep, when the poop hit the fan, you decided its time to be mellow out and "snore." Great! So that is why an ordinary woman news reporter asked me, "How come your people read the Bhagavad gita, a war about injustice, but your people do not act against injustice?" And now we can quote your own statement as the answer to her question, when all this was going on, you decided -- its time to snooze and snore!

Hey hey hey, yep when your house was invaded by pirates, you went to sleep, snoring. Even this reporter knew that means, you folks have no clue what the Bhagavad Gita is talking about. Snoring indeed, that is how you helped the GBC take over, you snored while they plundered. The good news is, you finally admit you were snoring the whole time.

As for Windle Turley, we were writing for several years in our newsletters that some of the molesting victims were committing suicide. None of you folks seemed to have thought that was a big problem, at least we never heard much of anything from anyone on the topic. Apart from PADA, Pranada dasi was the only person even writing about this crisis as far as we can tell. OK, it appeared as if almost no one cared, it was not a priority issue?

We certainly never heard a peep out of you on the topic at the time? And what was your great solution anyway? More dead bodies! What else? Same as the GBC's solution. So after this court case was filed and made public, the suicides went down to almost nil, which you say was the foolish and fanatical solution. Why does your solution always involve -- dead victims -- all the time? Srila Prabhupada says this is the solution of the demons, to do un-beneficial horrible things -- that kills people. Of course your program is not even killing mature and self-capable people, its killing innocent and defenseless children.

Can't you guys ever think of anything better than -- let's create more death? Lets victimize the victims even more. Oh I forgot, your solution has been the same as the GBC's program was at the time.

Simultaneously we had the problem of hundreds of kids who were still going to their "schools" in New Vrndavana, Mayapura etc. What was your plan to get them out? OK, I forgot, you wanted them to stay there where they were getting mistreated. Why does your plan always include children being mistreated, that is, if you cannot make them dead?

So yes, our plan ALSO got hundreds of these kids pulled out of there -- because after the case was filed -- many parents started pulling their kids out -- in droves. Why did you wan't the abuse to continue and have this situation unchanged, which is what the GBC wanted? Whatever Judas wants, you want the same?

Of course our dear friends like the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad team, they not only wanted the deaths and abuse to continue -- they wrote in public that they were going to help the GBC by going to Dallas to violently attack the children themselves, and do the GBC's dirty work for them. They are real servants of the child oppressors. Yep, they are just like you, mellow with the evil doers, and jack boots on the victims and anyone who helps them.

Anyway -- notice the pattern here -- once again a "karmi" person has to save YOUR society's children from YOUR -- snoring program. A "karmi" has to save their lives and get them pulled out of these schools and you are upset -- that these children did not suffer more abuse and / or die?

You wanted Krishna's and Srila Prabhupada's children to suffer more abuse and even die, and yet you claim to be their servant? Why is your solution always the same as the GBC's has been, -- more child abuse and -- death? The "karmis" are doing your job, saving your society's children, and you are upset that some of the victims of your snoozing program even -- survived?

And yes, Turley got a bad idea of the religion from YOU folks and your NEGLECT of this issue, just like MILLIONS of other people got a bad idea of the religion from you same folks neglect of all the other problems. Your snoring program has made millions of people get a bad idea of the religion, not just one guy in Dallas?

I have a pamphlet from my company about how to handle "a crisis at work" -- like an earthquake, power failure, gun man on the loose on the premises, an explosion etc., and it says, the worse thing you can do in a crisis is -- nothing. Ok your snoring program.

So the upshot is -- Windle Turley had to grab Srila Prabhupada's children out of your sleeping hands and put them into his own hands, to save them from abuse and death. If he is the bad guy here, and the children fared better in his hands than your snoring hands, what does that make you guys? The children were being abused and dying in your snoring hands, and the "demons" have to save children from your program, then what is your position?

Anyway it was the children who told Turley the religion was to blame because they had been told "Srila Prabhupada wanted all this" by the people you and Krishna Kanta wanted to work with, like Jayapataka. You folks told me in 1997 you wanted to work with the VERY SAME people who brain washed these children and created the ENTIRE negative content of the Turley case. You are tethered to the people who created ALL the bad content in the Turley case, every single stitch and piece of it, including many testimonies of how people were being mis-treated -- while you were snoring away. You are complaining about the Turley case, while kissing the jack boots of the very people who made the entire case happen in the first place?

You have wrote some stronger materials recently, and that is good, but at this point, its like waiting for your house to burn to ashes and then running out with a tea cup of water, its too little too late, albeit a cup of water is more relief than none. Anyway, not too worry, people like myself, Sulochana and a few others, and ordinary folks like the police, FBI, media and courts, we all cleaned this up for you while you were snoring. ys pd

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MAHESH RAJA PRABHU Note:

I was reading PD's post of Bhaja Hari's talk to be "mellow" and IRM'S mellow stance on Poison Issue. It has NEVER worked. The result is: you be mellow -- they walk over you. They use you as a doormat. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears. What HAS worked is EXPOSING the Anti Ritvik crooks like Srila Prabhupada says:

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So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that's all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA. Thank you very much. (end)

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Prabhupada: WELL, IN POLITICS, UNLESS THERE IS VIOLENCE, YOU CANNOT TAKE. SIMPLY BY SWEET WORDS, NOT POSSIBLE. That was the difference between our political leaders, Mahatma Gandhi and Subhash Chandra Bose.

So Subhash Chandra Bose was of opinion that --and that is a fact-- that "You are agitating non-violence. These people will never care for your non-violence. Unless there is violence, so these Britishers will never go away." So Gandhi would say, "No, I am not going to accept this violence theory. I shall continue." So for thirty years... He started from 1917 and up to '47, the Britishers did not go. But when Subhash Chandra Bose, he saw... He took the political power. 

He became the president. But Gandhi was angry. So because he was old leader, out of respect, he resigned the presidentship. Then he though that "So long this man will live, there will be no independence." So he went out of India and joined with Hitler, and Tojo, Japanese. 

Nitai: Who went out of India? 
Prabhupada: This Subhash Chandra Bose. And he organized the INA, Indian National Army. So when this Indian National Army was organized and the Britishers... They were great politicians. They saw, "Now the army is going to national movement. We cannot be." Then they left. Because it was not possible. 

They were maintaining British Empire with Indian money, Indian men. You see? They did not conquer by their British soldiers all round the Far East, Burma and the Mesopotamia, and the Egypt. That was Indian army, the Sikh soldiers and the Gurkha soldiers, and Indian money. On the pretext that "For Indian protection, we are maintaining this army." Actually, they were expanding their empire. Africa, Burma. And when they saw that "India is lost," voluntarily they liquidated all others. Went back... Back to home, back to Godhead. (devotees laugh) 

SO IN POLITICS THIS IS NONSENSE, NON-VIOLENCE. IT IS NONSENSE, COWARDISM. IN POLITICS IN SWEET WORDS YOU CANNOT GET. THERE MUST BE FIGHT, ARMS. THAT IS ARMY. "IF YOU DON'T AGREE, THEN FIST." THAT IS POLITICS. THERE MUST BE VIOLENCE. OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT CONTROL. WHEN THERE IS EDUCATED GOOD MEN, THEN YOU CAN ARGUE. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE RUFFIANS, THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOOD...  ARGUMENTUM VACULUM, 

I TOLD YOU THE OTHER DAY... (BREAK) ...IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE DEMONS AND THE DEMIGODS, DEVASURA-YUDDHA. THAT IS ALWAYS THERE. IN THE EUROPEAN HISTORY, WITHOUT REVOLUTION, NO ORDER CHANGES. EVEN THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION WAS THERE. FRENCH REVOLUTION WAS THERE. IN ENGLAND, CROMWELL? CROMWELL? CROMWELL REVOLUTION? 

Nara-narayana: Yes. 

Prabhupada: YES. SO WITHOUT REVOLUTION, (INDISTINCT), YOU CANNOT CHANGE OLD ORDER. "OLD ORDERS CHANGES GIVING PLACE TO NEW." THAT OLD ORDER CHANGES... EVERYWHERE IT IS BY VIOLENCE. THE MAHABHARATA ALSO, THE BATTLE OF KURUKSETRA. KRSNA WAS THERE. HE TRIED TO SETTLE UP. BUT IT WAS NOT SETTLED WITHOUT VIOLENCE. PARITRANAYA... WHAT IS THAT? VINASAYA CA DUSKRTAM. PARITRANAYA SADHUNAM VINASAYA CA DUSKRTAM. KRSNA ALSO COMES, VINASAYA CA DUSKRTAM, TO, FOR KILLING THE DEMONS. KRSNA ALSO COMES. 

Nalinikantha: (break) ...will be overthrown and replaced with God conscious beings. 

Prabhupada: No. I am not talking of any government. We are not in politics. We are talking of preaching. Why? Why this government should you try to change. Where is the better replacement? First of all find out the better replacement. Then you talk of changing. Where is the better replacement? To replace one rascal with another, that is not... 

Now democratic government, if the people become Krsna conscious, then naturally their leader will be Krsna conscious. So automatically it will change. There is no question of violence. What is the use? Now, suppose by violence you become the president of the United States. Will you be able to do something? 

Nalinikantha: No. 

Prabhupada: Then what is the use? Because under democratic government, your order is not final. So if the people are demons, then what you will do? You cannot do anything. Therefore the people's mentality, consciousness, should be changed by this Krsna consciousness movement. When they become God conscious, Krsna conscious, they will select Krsna conscious president. Then everything finished. Formerly people used to accept the king as the final authority, but at this present moment, that is not accepted. People must accept. Now it is people's government. So unless people are God conscious, you cannot find good government. In comparison to other governments, your government is far better. People here (are) not starving. 

Nalinikantha: Yes, I have seen. 

Prabhupada: Yes. In other governments the people are starving. They have no food. That is the worst government. First necessity of life, that one must eat, one must have shelter, but other governments cannot even do that. But in your country, you have got enough food, enough shelter, everything is there. That consideration, your government is very nice government. Bare necessities of life must be supplied. Here the fault is extravagancy. 

Nalinikantha: Too much. 

Prabhupada: Too much, yes. Luxury leads to poverty. Too much luxury. Now it will deteriorate. 

Nalinikantha: I was reading in one of the books you translated that you said that as more people become Krsna conscious, the mentality of all of the people in that area, they lose their desires for material enjoyment. 

Prabhupada: No. Material enjoyment, you enjoy, but not like cats and dogs. You enjoy material life like human being. That is our proposal. Not like cats and dogs. Is it not enjoyment when you sit down in the Deity room and chant Hare Krsna and read philosophy? It is not enjoyment?

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http://www.pranadacomtois.com/

[PADA: Pranada dasi was a follower of Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami who allegedly had an affair with him. Now she seems to be into all kinds of "new age - isms" and does not seem to have any photos of Krishna or Srila Prabhupada on her site. She is connected to a "women of bhakti" movie, which is being co-produced by -- Radhanatha swami? We heard that she was very sickly a few years ago, but has improved lately. We do at the same time -- wish her well.

Maybe her moving away from the bogus gurus and into new age-ism has helped her. In any case, just look at the results of the bogus GBC's guru process, people are reluctant to mention Krishna after some time, at all. Very sad state of affairs. Alachua of course has other famous Krishna drop outs like Harikesha, Jaggadisha and similar others, and some of these folks even speak ill of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. Our conclusion is, these people never had a deep understanding of Krishna all along.

We would hereby like to give her CREDIT for making her 1990s NEWSLETTER "Priti lakshanam" -- which ALERTED us to the SUICIDES of EX-CHILDREN problem, and which SERVED as an IMPETUS for our GETTING a LAWSUIT going. She even allowed some of us to post comments there, which was very bold on her part, especially at the time. I hope she recovers from all this and advances towards Krishna, after her life was hijacked by these bogus guru clowns. ys pd]




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Friday, May 22, 2015

Mahatma Das on GBC's "Mental Disorders"



http://www.mahatmawisdom.com/

Key Points:

Prabhupada wanted devotees to take inspiration from Krishna and use their intelligence.

[PADA: Hee hee, ok when it comes to "mental disorders," almost no one is more "disordered" than folks like Mahatma das. He says his pals are "parampara acharyas," i.e. as pure as God, as pure as Jesus etc. Thus Mahatma's "pure devotees from heaven" can absorb sins like Jesus; They can have their feet washed like Jesus; They can be worshiped as "Jesus - like" saints, never mind they are often found to be -- debauchees. Then again the Mahatma program says that a number of their gurus have simply suffered from mental break downs and mental disorders, which makes us wonder what kind of people he is selecting for his gurus? 

Yep! Only fools (mental patients?) like Mahatma juxtapose the status of Jesus with debauchees, which is of course -- also done by some of the residents of Bellvue hospital! And -- demons! Mahatma dasa is "head quartered in Mayapura," where his program has promoted illicit sex acharyas all along since 1977.  

Of course notice, Mahatma das is actually inviting people to be banned, exiled, beat, sued and assassinated, because he says we should use our intelligence -- and intelligent people will reject his illicit sex messiahs. Meanwhile, Mahatma das knows full well that anyone who does reject his illicit sex pooja program will be treated viciously by Mahatma's illicit sex messiah's program. Yep, Mahatma is actually inviting people to be banned, beaten, sued -- or worse. Then again Mahatma's program is spending $20m suing the devotees who rejected his illicit sex pooja program. Yep, use your intelligence, then you will be banned, beaten, sued, or -- assassinated by the Mahatma guru program. Thanks for the invite pal!  

The only good news for the Mahatma das debauchee messiah's program is -- that it kills off everyone equally. His guru program does not discriminate friends from foe! (A) The dissenters to his illicit sex messiahs are often banned, sued, or sometimes beaten and killed, and meanwhile -- (B) His illicit sex messiahs themselves are often dropping like flies in scandals, sickness and untimely deaths from "taking the karma of their disciples." 


Mahatma's guru program customers are suffering and dying?

A bunch of Mahatma's messiahs ALREADY fell down in scandals, a bunch of them are crazy, a bunch of them are sick, a bunch of them are already dead, and its not looking like this process is going to improve anytime soon, rather its going downhill more every day. 

Same thing happened in the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha, dissenters died untimely, the false acharyas died untimely, yep, everyone gets a chance to die here! And so Mahatma's program copies the bogus 1936 acharya's program, thus it spares no one, the bogus messiahs die untimely, those who dissent the bogus messiahs die untimely, which is apparently Mahatma's program's actual agenda, to have people die untimely! Of course the bogus post-1936 Gaudiya Matha also has homosexual acharyas, and how did you guess, Mahatma's program also has homosexual acharyas. The bogus Gaudiya Matha has giant lawsuits, and Mahatma's hokey pokey messiah's program also has giant lawsuits, ad infinitum.   



"Are We Dead Yet Jim"? Hellish "art" made by Mahatma's messiah SDG 

As a bonus -- Mahatma das program gets to kill off Krishna's and ISKCON's good name and reputation by his program's advertising that Krishna's acharyas are often -- taking drugs, falling down in all sorts of spectacular tailspins, taking percodans, having their heads chopped off for having sex with people's wives, shooting at occupied buildings, and who knows what else. 

Then Mahatma's ilk are very happy because various people die, the institution dies, the image of Krishna looks quite terrible to the public (which is what demons always wanted). Nowadays more and more people ask us this question all the time, "Was this all part of Mahatma's plan all along? Is he all along a 'sinister movement' infiltrator whose whole purpose all along was -- to destroy the religion of Krishna"? This is the question we get regularly, was ISKCON infiltrated by people who all along wanted to see illicit sex being worshiped as God's messiahs -- because they hate God (they are demons)? 

Is this why Jesus says the Pharisees are not going to heaven, and their main program on earth is to block others from going there as well? Is Mahatma a current day representative of the Pharisee program? And what happens in the next life to people whose main program is to stop others from going to God and to His heaven? Well we could venture a guess ... but they are telling us themselves, this is a photo from the Mahatma program's web site ....


Join us in hell!

Anyway! Everyone gets to die prematurely in the Mahatma das program, friends and foes alike, and his program also kills off the name of ISKCON too! There are no winners here, except that Mahatma's plan ruins ISKCON, and it ruins both the bogus gurus and the dissenters at the same time, and it turns people away from God en masse, which is what demons have always wanted all along since time (in the material world) began. The main objective here seems to be the same as the Pharisees at the time of Jesus, i.e. stopping others from entering the kingdom of God. 

What amazes a lot of us is -- that after waiting for a million years to get a human birth, someone would then dedicate their entire human lives to stopping others from going to heaven, and they would literally stop all their other activities and just sit on a religion to make that religion die off into terrible deterioration.  

Then again, this is not so amazing really, since in the story of King Puranjan it says that is exactly what will happen when the acharya departs, all sorts of hideous exploiters will try to latch on to the religion and take advantage of the situation. And they will make bogus swamis, yogis, avatars to create chaos. Yep, this was predicted, that the demons would exploit the situation. 

That deterioration process seems to be the only thing that works out for sure in Mahatma's plan? The rank and file have to leave, and they have to suffer by being exiled for not worshiping Mahatma's illicit sex messiahs, and then Mahatma's false messiahs also have to suffer -- if not die prematurely as well. A bonus for the Mahatma program appears to be -- eliminating the worship of Krishna from the planet, the temples are empty. the reputation of Krishna is shot, and the only people who are happy about all this are -- the founder fathers and cheer leaders of this illicit sex pooja program -- ok the Mahatma types. 


Mahatma's messiahs producing "art from the hellish planets." 

This process is described clearly in the Sri Isopanisad, where Mahatma's program's folks are called "the killers of the soul (atma hana)" -- all of which -- "leads to a birth in darkness and ignorance": 

"Such materialistic asuras sometimes make a show of religion, but their ultimate aim is material prosperity. The Bhagavad-gita (16.17-18) rebukes such men by calling them atma-sambhavita, meaning that they are considered great only on the strength of deception and are empowered by the votes of the ignorant and by their own material wealth. Such asuras, devoid of self-realization and knowledge of isavasya, the Lord's universal proprietorship, are certain to enter into the darkest regions." Yikes! And there are thousands of such hellish planets! 

And all we have to do is look at the art of Mahatma's messiahs to see what those hellish places look like. Yes, and in another verse the Sri Isopanisad furthermore CONFIRMS that Mahatma's false acharyas and their supporters, ok guys like Mahatma das, must enter the most obnoxious places in the universe -- for promoting such false acharyas. 

So those of us who read the shastra -- know their future destination. Yep, its that simple, all we need do is to look at the hellish art produced by Mahatma's messiahs, then we can easily see they are already living in the darkest regions of hell, its just not official yet. Then again Srila Prabhupada says anyone who insults the acharyas by saying they are falling down conditioned souls is already a resident of hell -- gurusuh narah matih narkah sah. That means Mahatma's program is already in hell, narakah sah, already residents of hell. 

MD: Prabhupada always condemned being overly dependent because if you're too dependent, then it's like you've been given knowledge but then you don't use it.

[PADA: So why is Mahatma a dependent lackey / cheer leader of the GBC's foolish false messiah's program? As Sulochana used to say, no one is allowed to even speak shastra without being banned, exiled, if not physically attacked, or killed. What kind of program is this? We should be dependent on shastra, however anyone who repeats shastra, is banned, sued, beat or killed?]


Look at all these happy faces in illicit sex pooja land!

MD: Prabhupada said you should approach Guru thinking yourself a fool but don't act like a fool.
If a person can't make their own decision, if they are overly dependent on others to make decisions for them, then this is actually a mental disorder.

[PADA: OK but what happens when Mahatma gives us his illicit sex, drugs and fools for our gurus?]

MD: If devotees doubt their intuition and they are afraid to use their own intelligence, then they're not creative and inspired in Krishna consciousness because they are afraid to go out of bounds.
Sometimes we have the sense that something is wrong but afraid to speak it.

[PADA: Afraid of what? Right! Afraid for good reason, anyone who does not think acharyas are mostly debauchees will be banned, beaten and maybe shot in the head by the Mahatma das debauchee guru program. This begs the question, why are people afraid of the vicious Mahatma guru regime in the first place? Because anyone who protests his debauchee messiahs project will be severely harassed or worse.] 

MD: One who sincerely tries to do the right thing will never be misled because Krishna will always guide him to do the right thing.

[PADA: Correct, as soon as Krishna guides a person to understand that His ACTUAL acharyas and messiahs are not debauchees, then the Mahatma's program will have that person banned, beaten and maybe killed, because Mahatma's program does not want anyone to agree with Krishna. Good point! Agreeing with Krishna is however ALWAYS forbidden by the demons since time began! As soon as anyone (like us) says, "God and His successors are not debauchees," then Mahatma's program has us banned, beat and maybe killed, because agreeing with God is forbidden in the kingdom of the demons!] 

MD: We need to have faith in our own sincerity. That's the most important thing. We will make imperfect decisions and do the wrong things. That's normal. If a devotee is sincere, gradually he or she will come to understand that he or she is wrong. ... Krishna guides sincere devotee and provides intelligence, always and at every stage.

[PADA: Correct, Sulochana was guided by Krishna to understand that Kirtanananda is bogus, and so the Mahatma program had him assassinated. A devotee who did 20 years of service was just recently kicked out because he asked why Mahatma's gurus are falling down, so as soon as Krishna gives people the correct idea they are banished and removed.] 

MD: One thing that is obvious when Krishna says, “I give intelligence how to come to me” and then the idea that when you are ready you meet a guru (and when you’re not ready you won’t) – there is an aspect of this conversation in which we see that even a neophyte or a new person is getting a guidance from Krishna on how to progress in devotional service.

[PADA: Of course even the karmis know that Mahatma's illicit sex messiah program is bogus, one does not even require any Vedic knowledge to know -- their worship of illicit sex program if wrong, and its against everything God teaches all over the universe. In sum, worship of illicit sex is considered as demoniac all over the world, which is why just about everyone thinks these Mahatma people are demoniac for promoting their illicit sex messiahs. Krishna says worship of illicit sex will take one down to the lowest regions, and He also says the Mahatma supporters of the worship of illicit sex will have to go down there for promoting same. Of course even dogs and Turkeys do not worship illicit sex, they are way more advanced than the Mahatma program probably ever will be.]

MD: In the world of psychology – they diagnosed this as a mental disorder (maybe not exactly this) – but they diagnosed that if a person can’t make their own decision, if they are dependent on others to make decisions for them, then this is actually a mental disorder. And you may know people like that, “What do I do? I don’t know what to do.” And they’re always asking for guidance; and they can’t make any of their own decisions. So there is a sense that it is healthy, and a sense that being over dependent is unhealthy.

[PADA: The independent minded devotees are always being weeded out ... and the fools who think JPS is another Jesus are kept. And Mahatma's program also wants JPS to be worshiped as the next messiah, because JPS's taking karma without qualification is even killing -- JPS himself -- that is the apparent plan, the dissenters are being weeded out if not killed, the gurus are taking too much karma -- and they are dying untimely and being killed, apparently that is what Mahatma's program is all about in the end, there are empty temples and dead bodies all over the place.]

MD: In some cases devotees may see a person doing something wrong, and in their minds they may have to somehow or other conceive that it's actually transcendental.

[PADA: Right, when Jayatirtha was taking drugs and having illicit sex, Jayapataka came to England and told us this sometimes happens with acharyas. Transcendence and illusion are one and the same? This is madness on steroids.] 

MD: Or, if they see something – and this is an even more sensitive issue – if they see something that is wrong in the movement or they see someone who is doing something wrong then they can sometimes become afflicted, and in some cases they may see the wrong as right because the person they are seeing doing the wrong shouldn’t be doing anything wrong.

[PADA: So why does Mahatma keep telling people his false acharyas are still acharyas, when he knows they are doing wrong? He is the person creating this conflict, confusion and madness.]

MD: So in their minds they may have to somehow or other conceive that it’s actually transcendental. So they’re going against what they’re actually seeing and they’re going against what they actually know as wrong, or going against what is right in them, and they don’t see it. And if they feel that it is wrong, then they start feeling, “I have to feel bad because I’m feeling such a wrong because it couldn’t be wrong.”

[PADA: Right, normal people can see that Mahatma's emperor has no clothes, but no one is allowed to point this out ... and that is because Mahatma's program will kick jack boots down on your head like a bag of hammers as soon as you point out that his emperor has no clothes. For example Bhakti chaitanya swami (aka Raghubhir) just kicked out a devotee who was doing service for 20 years, because that devotee was asking questions about  -- the (GBC guru project's) emperor having no clothes ... no one is allowed this freedom to think ... because Mahatma's program will kick the legs out from under a person who "questions the guru" and they take the doubting person out the door maybe to be beaten with shoes, in typical Mafia style.]

MD: In normal circumstance, in normal life (life outside of Krishna consciousness), often it’s a little more black and white. If something is wrong, if the President of the United States did something wrong then it’s obviously wrong, and there is no doubt that it’s wrong. Everyone says it’s wrong; what you do about it is another thing. It’s more black and white. There is less at stake for us. But in Krishna consciousness we are always afraid we’ll make offenses to another devotee. It could be damaging to our spiritual life. So we are very cautious, always afraid that perhaps we don’t understand the philosophy correctly. Fear that intelligence may misdirect and lead to make an offense can alienate us from using our intelligence.

[PADA: And Mahatma is a prime person creating this artificial fear ...]

MD: Sometimes we have the sense that something is wrong but afraid to speak it. Or sometimes we’re even afraid to think it because we may think that it’s offensive or it’s just wrong and we’ll be misled. It’s important to understand two things: Krishna says in the Gita, “One who does good will never be overcome by evil.”

[PADA: Fantastic quote, this proves that Mahatma and his gurus are evil, because they are constantly being overcome by illusion, they are not being protected by Krishna from illusion.]

MD: What Krishna means is that a devotee who is sincere will aways be properly directed. If we’re not properly directed, if we end up somewhere other than Krishna’s lotus feet or the lotus feet of Prabhupada, then we can say that based on this verse that we did something bad or – good being more accurately translated in this verse is sincere.

[PADA: Anyone who takes shelter of Srila Prabhupada is branded as a demon ritvik and is beaten with shoes, or killed. No one is allowed to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, and Mahatma's program is spending $20,000,000 suing the devotees in India to stop them from worshiping the pure devotee, they want people to worship Mahatma's illicit sex acharya program, or else you will be banned, and sued.] 

MD: One who sincerely tries to do the right thing will never be misled because Krishna will aways guide him to do the right thing. Sincere person does not need a bogus guru. For an insincere person, there are many bogus gurus lined up waiting for their money.

[PADA: But Mahatma is the person cramming his bogus debauchee gurus program down people's throats? And Mahatma also crammed his child abuse program down the throats of ISKCON's children, and had us banned for protesting, and even killed for protesting. Now he is blaming his victims, he says they wanted to be cheated by Mahatma, no they wanted the real thing and he gives them the false thing. He is cheating them out of worship of a pure devotee, and when they are cheated, he blames his victims? This is like blaming a rape victim for her own rape?]

MD: We are not perfect.

[PADA: But you claimed your messiahs are parampara pure acharyas?]

MD: We will make imperfect decisions and do the wrong things. If a devotee is sincere, gradually he or she will come to understand that he or she is wrong. They may not understand it for ten years, but they will understand it at some point. We need to have faith in our own sincerity. That’s the most important thing. My brain may not always work well. I may not be able to understand everything.

I may not have sufficient knowledge to understand everything. I may not understand everything my Guru tells me. At certain levels of advancement of Krishna consciousness you will not be able to understand things as deeply as you would on another stage. So we have limitations. Everything is not going to be perfect. You might say, “Sounds like what you’re saying is that you shouldn’t worry because everything will work out.” I am saying that, but it may take time to work out. Sincerity is the most important thing in making decisions which we feel are correct but may not know are correct.

[PADA: Any sincere person who wants to worship the pure devotee will be banned, beat, sued, and maybe shot to death.]

MD: Of course, I’m not saying you shouldn’t follow guru, sadhu, and sastra. I don’t mean, “Just be sincere. You don’t need books.” In a sense, you could say that. “You just need a Guru, the Holy Name, and sincerity and everything will be there.” But even though I could say that, I’m not saying that because that’s not really the way Prabhupada taught us entirely. He did teach that, but not entirely. So you have books. You have sastra. You have guidance: guru, sadhu and sastra. But we’ll still make mistakes. We have to base decisions on what we believe to be correct based on what we’ve learned from Prabhupada and what we’ve learned from sastra.

[PADA: Where does Srila Prabhupada tell us to follow Mahatma's program of worship of illicit sex?] 

MD: And I’m not going to say it’s ok to make mistakes – because we shouldn’t – but what I mean by saying that it’s ok to make mistakes is that we will make mistakes and that’s normal. As Krishna says, if a devotee is sincere then he will be guided and eventually he will understand the mistake and be guided properly. You might be thinking, “I’m afraid to fully use my intelligence because I don’t trust it. I don’t think I have it” or, “If I’m a fool before my Guru then how can I make so many decisions?” But we have to make decisions.

Don’t be afraid that, “Oh I don’t know what to do! I don’t know how to act! I have these feelings that I think are right but I’m bewildered! Is it really right!? I mean, am I that smart that I could make all these decisions? Am I really that advanced that Krishna is giving me this insight or intuition!?” That kind of thinking does not make sense because if you’re actually following Krishna consciousness then Krishna says that that’s exactly what He does. He gives you all of that. So you can’t back that up sastricly to think you’re not getting it. Does that makes sense? It makes sense to me, you know?

[PADA: Wow, does Mahatma think his promoting the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children is "God's intuition"? Sounds like Satan's intuition?]

MD: Praphupada wrote to a lot of people who had only been devotees for a few years, saying that Krishna will give intelligence.

[PADA: Krishna is giving intelligence, most of the devotees and 99999.9999 percent of the public are barfing at Mahatma's illicit sex pooja program. Even dogs do not worship illicit sex, which means it will take many lifetimes for Mahatma even to get a dog body.]

MD: Often I see the problem of devotees getting confused. Krishna is inspiring them but they don’t always realize it. They’re not always connected with it. At the same time, it’s true that sometimes maya bewilders us. I’m not saying that that’s not going to happen. The point I’m making is that if you’re following Krishna consciousness process then Krishna promises, “I’ll give you intelligence. I’ll guide you.” You shouldn’t be in a position to doubt that “I’m getting this inspiration. I getting this idea. Is it really maya or is it really Krishna?” If you’re in Krishna consciousness, generally it’s going to be Krishna. If you’re in maya, generally it’s going to be maya because maya is going to direct you towards sense gratification. So, if you’re getting an idea that has basis in guru, sadhu, and sastra then why should you doubt it? And if you’re not sure if it has basis in sadhu, guru and sastra, then you should ask somebody. But don’t be disconnected and don’t turn your intelligence off – that’s my point.

Source: http://iskcon.us/mahatama-das/mental-disorder/

[PADA: Mahatma wants us to use our intelligence and reject his bogus illicit sex guru program, so we will be banned, sued, beaten and killed. Wonderful! There is no guru, no sadhu and no shastra that tells people they need to worship Mahatma's illicit sex messiahs to go back to God. Its his mental disorder. ys pd]

Thursday, May 21, 2015

Lord Chaitanya Becomes India's Icon

Thakura Bhaktivinode's Original Deity Site

Lord Jagganatha Festival (1937 Video)




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So because we wanted to play the part of Kṛṣṇa, enjoyer, Kṛṣṇa is giving us chance that “You feel like Me.” - “I am king. I am Kṛṣṇa. I am God.” (laughter) All these rascals, those who are feeling like that, “I am master. I am king. I am Kṛṣṇa. I am God,” they are all simply in that feeling only. That's all.

And this feeling is created by Kṛṣṇa: “All right. You want to play the part of a king. I shall train you in such a way.” Just like director means, dramatic director means, he creates a feeling. His direction is nothing but how to feel.

Sometimes we played in our younger age Caitanya-līlā. I introduced. And one big director, Amrtalal Chosa, he was just like grandfather. He was one of the, just like in England Shakespeare and others, big, big dramatic, well-known persons.

This Amrtalal Chosa and Girish Chandra Chosa, they introduced in India theatric... So we called him to give us direction. He was giving us direction, and repeatedly he was telling that “You feel like that,” especially to me. “You feel like that.”

So actually, when we played according to his direction, the audience were all crying. And we could not understand how they cried. We could not understand. On the stage when we played, it was so perfect that all audience were crying. Actually we saw they were smearing over their eyes with... But the whole thing is artificial, but the effect to the audience became so nice.

So similarly, we are... Actually we have nothing to do with this material world, But we have been trained by the illusory energy in such a way that we are thinking, “I am Indian. I am American. I am this. I am that. I am brāhmaṇa. I am śūdra. I have to do this. I have got so much duty,” all these illusions, simply thinking. We have nothing to do with all this nonsense, but still, we are taking it very serious. “I have to do like that. I have to do like that. I am this. I am that.” That's all.

(Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Lecture 2.9.1 - Tokyo, April 20, 1972)

Wednesday, May 20, 2015

Sunnyvale Prabhupada Initiations Program


How Did GBC Gurus Become "Another Jesus"?


The bogus GBC are publicly promoting their program which claims their gurus can accept sins like Jesus. Why is the GBC and their guru program juxtaposing themselves with a depiction of Jesus on the cross all the time? 

[PADA Note: Not really a fan of the above "Jesus on the cross" picture, however it has to be identified clearly so we can visualize what the GBC gurus are REALLY saying when they claim to be able to absorb sins like Jesus.]   

Jayapataka disciple: Mercy of the Guru is like Jesus Christ being taking crucified on the Cross !!!
Disciples are eternally indebted to their merciful respectful Gurudeva !!!

The Guru mentioned: "I am suffering because of my disciples, but I can recover from this by preaching to thousands of people, or if my disciples perform MORE DEVOTIONAL SERVICE,
then all this karma (reactions) will be burnt in no matter of time."

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Dear Devotees and well-wishers,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.


Today Guru Maharaja’s health is much more on the positive side. He is very well rested and looks rejuvenated. He is responsive and giving his thumbs up.

One of the devotee-doctors reported to him, “Guru Maharaja millions of devotees are doing extra chanting, puja, kirtans for your recovery. Bhakti Caru Maharaja sends his well-wishes for your health to improve”. To this, Guru Maharaja touched his heart in sign of gratitude and then placed his hands together and touched his forehead, showing his obeisances.

[PADA: Bhakti Caru is telling JPS to take karma so -- he can get JPS killed from taking karma?]

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Jayapataka says ISKCON's gurus are taking sins of their disciples (they are like Jesus) ...

http://guruvakya.com/does-guru-take-the-disciples-karma

[PADA: Wait a minute? How did Jayapataka, the leader of a criminal post-1977 guru parampara, become "like Jesus"? Why are his followers making claims he is "absorbing the sins of his followers like Jesus"? Why are JPS and his cronies getting their feet washed -- like Jesus? 

And! Why does the ISKCON GBC always allow its leaders to be compared to Jesus all the time -- by the rank and file of ISKCON? Didn't Srila Prabhupada order us neophytes NOT to act as DIKSHA gurus and take other's karma -- because it would make us get sick, fall down, or both? When was this order removed?

When Kirtanananda was hit on the head with a pipe by a dissenter, Satsvarupa Das Goswami wote in the GBC's official 1986 "Back to Godhead" magazine that Kirtanananda was suffering like "JESUS, Haridas Thakura and Prahlad." Kirtanananda is another Jesus? Didn't promoting Kirtanananda as another Jesus create a fanatical mood resulting in the murder of Sulochana? 

Why is this propaganda always being allowed? And is this not an insult to compare these fools to Jesus? Apparently, Bellvue Hospital guru-itis is a very catchy disease, which is why Krishna Balarama Swami is recently comparing himself to Jesus as well. Yes, as a matter of fact, I am equal to Jesus of Nazareth!   

Anyway! Why does the rest of the GBC promote or at least acquiesce with this foolishness? "I can absorb sins like Jesus." This illusion is promoted so much so, various GBC gurus recently buried Kirtanananda in a "samadhi" in Vrndavana, as if he were another saintly resident of heaven (like Jesus). A friend of ours who worked in Bellvue mental home for some years said there are always a few residents there who think they are another JESUS. And Srila Prabhupada said Kirtanananda should be sent back to Bellvue! We should declare a Bellvue patient as another Jesus? 

Of course, then again we have deviant folks like Jim Jones, David Koresh, and many other bogus Christian off shoot branch leaders who ALSO think that they too are like Jesus. Fine, but does anyone not notice that this creates crazy personality cults? Thus, in post-1977 ISKCON, as soon as someone thinks he can absorb sins because he is like Jesus, and he actually belongs in Bellvue under psychiatric care and medications, instead he is made into another messiah by the GBC. 


Bellvue Mental Home "Jesus" getting his feet washed.

Why does the GBC keep making more and more and more of these alleged "sin absorbing" Jesus like saints -- despite seeing them fail left, right and center? Why does ISKCON's GBC allow such levels of worship for people that they know full well keep falling down, if not they are getting sick from taking karma, if not they are dying from taking karma?  

Does it not seem self-evident that these people are not qualified to be advertised as "like Jesus"? Does the average person on the street think that Jayapataka is qualified to absorb sins like Jesus, when instead it looks very much like he was run over by a Mack truck, proving in great self evident detail -- that he is not qualified to absorb such sins? And is there not an epidemic of sick and falling down gurus in ISKCON post 1977, proving that they are not qualified to accept sins etc.? Why is this illusion still being perpetuated?  A few examples --        


BHAGAVAN GOSWAMI -- When he started to fall down and fail, some of his followers said he has "taken too much karma and this is causing him to fall into maya." Oh oh! Not only does Jesus absorb the sins of others, he falls down into illicit affairs from taking too many of the sins of others! Where was this idea cooked up? We know already, its in Satan's Bible. How can a person who is as pure as Jesus, fall down from taking sins? Oooops, ok lets face it, the GBC made a huge mistake thinking these people are capable of absorbing sins in the first place.

BHAKTI TIRTHA SWAMI -- When he got ill with Melanoma cancer, and he was laying in the hospital dying, his followers started saying "he got sick because he took our karma (he is like Jesus)." Why is the GBC allowing people to develop these illusions? Another devotee with some medical experience said to PADA: Nope! Although karma was maybe part of BTS's problem, people like BTS with black skin usually do not get melanoma, unless they are engaged in homosexuality. Oh swell!  

BHAVANANDA -- Yep how did you guess, was engaged in illicit sex with male taxi drivers because -- he "took too much karma from his followers, and it made him fall down." This argument justifies everything? 

GIRIRAJA SWAMI -- Had heart problems, and had to go to the hospital. Cause? According to some, he took too much karma.

GAURA GOVINDA SWAMI -- Died suddenly at Mayapura, although apparently in good health. Cause? According to some -- took too much karma.

GOPAL KRISHNA SWAMI -- Buried Kirtanananda's carcass in Vrndavana in "a samadhi." Pretty amazing really, the worst criminals posing as messiahs example on the planet is Kirtanananda, and the GBC guru's program (guided by Gopal Krishna swami and Radhanath) buries Kirtanananda's body in a SAMDAHI in VRNDAVANA where he will be worshiped as a JESUS like saint -- for all eternity, if it is up to these guys at least? Why is the GBC giving Jesus like burial recognition to criminals and sexual predators posing as messiahs? 

HANSADUTTA -- Chronic headaches for years, and his disciples told me over and over and over, this was due to his "absorbing too many sins" (just like Jesus absorbs sins). Question: when did Srila Prabhupada say to Hansadutta that he was going to be worshiped on the same level as another Jesus and that he could absorb sins like Jesus? Hansadutta admits, Srila Prabhupada never did, it was a scam! Both Hansadutta and Satsvarupa were apparently taking psychotropic drugs like perhaps percodans, ooops, and Jim Jones was taking all kinds of pills. 

HARI SAURI -- Now has apparently Parkinsons disease, after he has made it his life work supporting illicit sex with men, women and children on the sacred Vyasa seat. And he has supported the argument that the ACHARYAS fall down because -- when people LIKE JESUS absorb sins -- they may get sick and fall down. 

Yep, its like kicking Jesus with jack boots, agreed! Hari Sauri also encourages people like JPS to sit in a guru seat, have their feet washed like Jesus, and tell people they can absorb sins like Jesus so -- he can have his victims get sick and die? What kind of friends does JPS have?

HRDAYANANDA -- Says worship of the actual Jesus is bogus because we need to worship all his foolish pals who are falling down by imitating Jesus. 

JAYADVAITA SWAMI -- Admits his GBC messiahs are often illicit sex ... and yet now he is on a CHRISTIAN style mission of re-writing the Bible!

JAYAPATAKA SWAMI -- Yep, he is training his people to think he is another Jesus, as we see from their writings ...

JAYATIRTHA SWAMI -- Also said he was accepting sins like Jesus. At one time he said he was the "incarnation of the mercy of God who was giving Lord Chaitanya's newest dispensation for humanity" -- which was of course, the designer drug ecstacy, and LSD etc. Jayatirtha also said that LSD was "the foot dust of Radharani," and that his actual first guru was LSD cult leader Timothy Leary. Yep, and so later on his head was hacked off with a dull knife after he was caught having illicit sex with the wife of a follower. What kind of Jesus is the GBC creating here?   

NARAYAN MAHARAJA -- When he got cancer, some of his followers said its because "he took our karma." Another karma vacuum cleaner?

PRABHAVISHNU SWAMI -- Fell down, followers starting saying, how'd ya guess, took too much karma!

ROHINI KUMAR SWAMI -- Was making pooja offerings to counteract black magic curses put on Hansadutta by the other gurus, of course this begs the question, what kind of gurus place black magic curses on their competition?

SATSVARUPA DAS GOSWAMI -- Yep I know already, took too much karma!

SUHOTRA SWAMI -- Was starting to say -- maybe our gurus are not fit to take karma? Then he died suddenly?

SWARUPA DAMODAR -- Very sick -- you guessed it -- from taking karma!

TAMAL KRISHNA SWAMI He gave a lecture saying that very sinful people die in horrible car crashes, and a few days later, he died in a horrible car crash. Anyway his followers said it was from taking their karma.

VIPRAMUKHYA SWAMI -- Fell off a horse and broke both arms, oh no, I told ya, its karma of his disciples!

Hare Krishna 1967


Tuesday, May 19, 2015

Krishna he (Priyvrata das video)


Reciting of Bhagavad Gita (Videos)

KNOW YOUR ISKCON HISTORY (Bhajahari das)



KNOW YOUR ISKCON HISTORY

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One of the nicest things about being oldish (64 last month) is that I am now able to look back over the history of Iskcon, the wonderful movement that I grew up in, and was intimately involved in serving on many different levels.

With the benefit of hindsight I can see all the stupid mistakes I made in my immaturity. I think it is also fair to say that I can see many of the mistakes we made collectively. Perhaps the greatest mistake or deviation was ignoring Srila Prabhupada's instructions regarding the association of his so called Godbrothers. (Please be patient - the expression "so called Godbrothers" will be explained by Prabhupada further on)

We were a very dis-functional group of misfits, but somehow or other Srila Prabhupada was mystically able to coax us all into performing so many amazing varieties of devotional service.

Since the physical departure of His Divine Grace in 1977 so many bewildering things have happened.
Recently, after giving our family business (Gokula Vegetarian Cafe, Watford) over to my two sons to manage, I have had the time and space to ponder many of these misfortunate and unhappy deviations.

Recently, due to a disagreement about Srila Prabhupada's instructions regarding associating with the Gaudiya Math, I took the opportunity to go over Srila Prabhupada's letters etc., to see how much physical evidence was available.

I knew without doubt that HDG had warned us very strongly on MANY occasions to keep his Godbrother at arms length, and that is what got me into the disagreement in the first place.

Having been the Temple President at Bhaktivedanta Manor on three different occasions over quite a short period of time, approximately 7 to 8 years, (yes - I know - it was a complicated time and I could write a book about the details), as well as holding other responsible posts in the book distribution leadership areas and being TP in the little Nottingham temple, i had plenty of inside information from the GBC and other sources, and so I was aware of the instructions on the subject.

In fact once I received a telegram from Srila Prabhupada telling me not to allow such and such swami to speak in the temple. He could be stay and be given all facilities, but he was not allowed to give lectures. The only problem was that when I received the instruction, somebody, the TC or someone, had already invited him to speak and the class was going on.

What would you do in such a circumstance ???

Well, a direct instruction from your Spiritual Master is a direct instruction. So I went straight into the temple room, paid my obeisances in front of the speaker, and with a nervous voice, asked if he would please join me outside the temple room for a moment.

There I showed him the message from Srila Prabhupada and told him that as Temple President I was not allowed to let him speak. I apologised that I had not made him aware earlier - but I had only just been informed myself.

Some would say that I should have left him speak, and then explained the situation to him after his talk, and they may well be correct. But I did what I did. Now, back to my looking for evidence of Srila Prabhupad's advice to avoid his Godbrothers. Below are just a few of the examples I found, and I must confess they shocked me somewhat by their firmness and strength.

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No 1

"It is now clear that my Godbrothers take exception to my being called as Prabhupada, and on this point they wanted to poison the whole Society, that is clear. But how it was manipulated - that is a mystery" SPL to Rupanuga 25-9-70

No2

"Regarding the Gaudiya Math, our position has nothing to do with them. They cannot do anything and if somebody does something, they will be envious" SPL to Yamuna 18-11-70

No3

"Do not be depressed. All along my Godbrothers gave me only depression, repression, compression - but I continued strong in my duty." SPL to Guru das 29-8-72

No4

"If you are serious to be an important assistant in our Society you should fully engage yourself in translation work, and do not mix yourself with my so called Godbrothers. As there are in Vrndavan some residents like monkeys and hogs, similarly there are many rascals in the name of Vaisnavas, be careful of them. And do not dare to question imprudently before your spiritual master. Further talks we may discuss when we meet" SPL to Niranjana 21-11-72.

No5

"Our big, big Godbrothers in India, they could not preach Lord Gauranga's Name all over India. They are simply inclined to criticise me, that my students call me Prabhupada. They could not do anything practical and tangible. They are satisfied with a temple and a few disciples begging alms for the maintenance of the temple. So we can understand that they have all become sudras. How can they have interest in Bhagavad-gita. Although some of them have been born in Brahmana families, but by quality are all sudras." SPL to Niranjana 21-05-73

No 6

"Their proposal for co-operation is a myth. They haven't done anything which is cooperative. You know in a recent article they managed to write in such a way that Madhava is doing the world movement and we are his subordinate. From the beginning that has been their mentality. So there is no possibility of co-operation with them. Rather you should avoid strictly meeting with them. They are not after preaching but material gain and reputation and adoration.

Otherwise, why are they non cooperating with me ? So no cooperation is possible. Do not think or indulge in loose talks. Be careful always. Let us do the duty of propagation sincerely and seriously in our own principles. Krsna and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Saravati Thakura are our only hope and they are helping us. If anything has to be done it is to be talked in the higher level between Madhava Maharaja and myself, but I know his mentality is different and there is no possibility of cooperation." SPL to Acyutananda Maharaja 8-06-74

No 7

"My Guru Maharaja used to say, prana arthe yanra sei hetu pracara. "One who has got life, he can preach." The dead man cannot preach. So you become with life, not like dead man. Without life... Just like all my Godbrothers. They are dead men. And therefore they are envious of my activities. They have no life. If you want to make easy-going life, showing the Deity and then sleep, then it is a failure movement. (Morning Walk July 13, 1974, Los Angeles)

No 8

"So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... What he has written? Bon Maharaja. Just see what kind of men they are. They are not even ordinary human being. They are envious of me, and what to speak of make a judgment by estimation? They're envious. Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, immediate. He is not a human being."  (Room Conversation, October 16, 1975)

No 9

“Just like our Godbrothers. They are envious. What I have done to them? I am doing my business, trying to serve my Guru Maharaja. But they are envious because I am so opulent. I have got so much fame, so many influence, so much influence all over the world. Everyone is praising me about... That is ignorance. And this is regrettable because they are posing themselves as Vaisnava. Ordinary man can do that, but they are dressing like Vaisnava, and they are so envious. That Tirtha Maharaja, unnecessarily he was envious, whole life fighting, fighting, fighting in the court and died."
(Room Conversation, 8 January, 1977)

No 10

"So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them."  (Letter to Rupanuga, 28 April, 1974)

No 11

"So any one of my Godbrothers cannot help me in this way of book writing because they are unfortunate in the matter of preaching work. They are simply trying to infiltrate our society to so something harmful by their attempt. So please do not have any correspondence with this Purusottama or any of my Godbrothers, so-called."  (Letter to Karuna Sindhu, 9th November, 1975)

No 12

"Regarding the Gaudiya Math books being circulated there, who is distributing? Who is sending these books? The Gaudiya Math does not sell our books, why we should sell their books. Who has introduced these books? Let me know. These books should not at all be circulated in our Society. Bhakti Vilas Tirtha is very much antagonistic to our society and he has no clear conception of devotional service. He is contaminated. Anyway, who has introduced these books? You say that you would read only one book if that was all that I had written, so you teach others to do like that. You have very good determination." (Letter to Sukadeva, 14 November, 1973

No 13

"So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my Godbrothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them." SPL to Visvarkarma 9-11-75

No 14

Srila Prabhupada: "We haven't got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. …That you are singing every day, "what our guru has said, that is our life and soul." …As soon as this POISON will come -suppress guru and I become Brahman- everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja…..And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE."  (April 1977, Bombay)

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Now that you have read them, please consider that the GBC members who were in post at the time of Srila Prabhupada's departure MUST have been aware of these instructions. So how come they went straight over to the Gaudiya Math just a few months after Srila Prabhupada left and

"In consultation with HIGHER AUTHORITIES" came back with all kinds of instructions on how 11 ambitious young leaders could now become initiating Acaryas in place of Srila Prabhupada. When you consider that many of these men had just spent months with Srila Prabhupada in Vrndavana, and were well aware of his caution in regards to the Gaudiya Matha, it beggars believe that they, within a few months, decide to go to 'HIGHER AUTHORITIES' for details on things that they could/should have discussed with the Acarya himself during the months he laid in Vrndavan preparing to leave.

This appointment of 11 Acaryas has been accepted as bogus by practically everyone inside and outside of Iskcon. Jayadwaita Maharaja even made a public apology on the pages of our Societies' magazine Back to Godhead for the magazine's complicity in the deviation.

What most devotees do not know however is that in those same meetings with 'HIGHER AUTHORITIES' the seed of the GREATEST contamination was also sown

That is IT IS PERFECTLY OK TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF THE ACARYA AFTER HIS PHYSICAL DEPARTURE. This evidence is documented for those that are prepared to read through the transcripts of the GBC's meetings with Sridhar Maharaja in Feb 1978

In brief though, they were told a story that one of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's educated scholarly disciples had stated that if a 'wrong word' was found in the writings of the Acarya, then the dictionary should be changed. The GBC 'SELECT' group were told that that was OK for the neophytes - but the more advanced disciples will change/edit the writing.

No mention of the principle of Arsha Prayoga that Srila Prabhupada mentioned in several occasions.
So now the BBTi has allowed its editors to make almost 5,000 changes to JUST ONE of Srila Prabhupada's books. The main one Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. The BBT EDITS website falsely describes this as bringing the Gita 'Closer to Srila Prabhupada'

As if Srila Prabhupada missed 5,000 mistakes when he looked over the manuscript before he sent it to McMillans for publishing. Stunning....... It is sometimes said that if you are going to tell a lie, then make sure it so big and fantastic that nobody will believe you could have possibly made it up.
Just see how it works ...... "One giant step for mankind"

KNOW YOUR ISKCON HISTORY

now..... Will the REAL ISKCON ..... please stand up.....

For Srila Prabhupada......

As he stood up for us.....

All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing. There have been a lot of really good men side lined for too many years.

You know who you are.

Please rise up...

Stand and Fight

All GLORIES to our Srila Prabhupada.

Conversation with George Harrison

Panihati Festival Bangalore (video)


Monday, May 18, 2015

Hare Krishna Mandir Bangalore on Tour

Taking a tour to visit Holy sites and see cows programs (about 100 devotees attended)

Jayadvaita Swami Re-Writes -- The Bible?

[PADA: One strange thing is how the GBC is saying that the worship of Jesus is the bogus ritviks idea, but then Tamal goes to a Christian college to get a degree, then they start all sorts of interfaith programs with the Christians, and now Jayadvaita swami is re-writing the Bible. They seem to be obsessed with Jesus and the Bible? ys pd] 




http://www.amazon.com/dp/0892134496

Review

I had the great privilege of dialoguing with Jayadvaita Swami as he reflected on the message of Ecclesiastes, and the singular pleasure of reading his book in manuscript form. As a scholar of Ecclesiastes, I am deeply impressed with his grasp of the book's message. And as one who knew little about Krishna consciousness (Krishna-bhakti) I came to a deeper understanding and appreciation of its spiritual value. I enthusiastically recommend this book to all. --Tremper Longman III, Robert H. Gundry Professor of Biblical Studies, Westmont College

Jayadvaita Swami was raised in an American Jewish family and received a Reform childhood training in his younger years. He tells of two greatly transformative moments. The first was discovering an important Biblical book from the same skeptical Biblical wisdom tradition that produced the Book of Job. Qohelet (Ecclesiastes) aroused in him existential despair and angst and essentially blew him out of both contemporary Judaism and the materialistic American culture. And then he encountered Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, his teacher, the founder of the Krishna Consciousness movement. Over time, he became Swami Prabhupada's chief editor.

Jayadvaita Swami continues to live a life of chanting in which he delights, as well as a life of deep study of Vedic texts, which, to my mind, have become for him his Torah. That life, ironically, has much in common with the traditional scholarly rabbinic life of prayer and study guided by the blessings of a great teacher, a rebbe.

In this interestingly ecumenical translation and commentary, the author brings important comparisons from Vedic and Buddhist texts, as well as from other traditions and from modern scholarly research, to illuminate Qohelet's presentation of all the obstacles to trust, faith and hope in the Divine Stewardship of reality.

As in Jayadvaita Swami's spiritual quest, so in this volume: The wrenching questions about the sense of meaninglessness that mortality generates, as expressed in the Jewish Biblical skeptical wisdom tradition, as well as in wisdom traditions worldwide, are resolved by the far more transcendental reality map of the Vedic tradition, particularly as transmitted through his teacher. Scholars, seekers and others who find little satisfaction in current cultural reality maps should find good reading in this study of Qohelet! --Rabbi Shaya Isenberg, Emeritus Professor and Chair, Department of Religion, University of Florida, Gainesville

Vanity Karma comprises a remarkable set of spiritual reflections that defies literary genre categorization. This book is part spiritual autobiography with its roots in the counterculture, part exposition of Hindu devotionalism deeply grounded in classical Sanskrit sources, and part analysis of a section of the Old Testament, drawing from its associated body of text-critical academic scholarship.

With his own forty years as a monk and Swami in an orthodox Hindu devotional tradition grafted onto an earlier Jewish cultural upbringing, the author brings two equally ancient but culturally disparate voices into conversation, probing life's 'big' existential questions--those of Qohelet in Ecclesiastes and those of Krishna in the Bhagavata tradition. The result is not just a serious contribution to inter-religious dialogue, but a spiritual manual in its own right.

Vanity Karma is a unique addition to the spiritual archives of our day and age, offering profound insights relevant to Truth seekers of any tradition. --Edwin Bryant, Professor of Hindu Religion and Philosophy, Rutgers University

About the Author
Jayadvaita Swami--writer, editor, publisher, and teacher--is an American monk in the tradition of Krishna spirituality. As a writer, he crosses cultural boundaries to go deep into "the big questions" that speak to the essence of everyone's life. As an editor, he has edited more than forty volumes of translated Indian texts. As a publisher, he oversees the African division of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, the world's largest publisher of India's classic books of spiritual wisdom. As a teacher, he travels year round, speaking on spiritual literature with clarity, joy, erudition, and wit. He has taught in more than sixty countries.

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