Saturday, April 19, 2014

Who is the Authority on Poison Issue?

PADA: There are people, ok like Hansadutta, the IRM, Ram Mohan, and similar others who keep telling us that if we could get the poison issue settled in court, then they would accept it. That means they accept the courts as their authority, and not the words of the pure devotee. Srila Prabhupada's God brothers also went to court, and Srila Prabhupada called them "high court acharyas," and basically he ridiculed the idea that the words of the acharyas are established by judges in the courts. 

Then we have the Krishna West people, who agree with Hrdayananda, that Srila Prabhupada has been defeated by (mundane) academia, and that Srila Prabhupada has "over stepped his authority." OK, that is because they accept academia as their authority and not Srila Prabhupada. 

Now the "Krishna West" folks are nit picking every single little thing that ISKCON does such as "worship a plant," "not use toilet paper," "wear clothes that look like a big diaper" and so on and so forth, because they have accepted another line of authority. And ISKCON's GBC still promotes these deniers and "doubters" as its gurus, knowing they have all these doubts. Amazing! 

The more someone doubts the Krishna religion, the higher the GBC places them in their guru totem pole. Satsvarupa for example wrote ages ago, "I have to battle constantly with doubts that Krishna is a myth." And that is why the GBC has his books plastered all over ISKCON, people who think Krishna is perhaps a myth, become their main book writers! They are officially outside the purview of Vedic authority, and they have become critics of Vedic authority. Apparently, their meditation on toilet paper is going to continue their cycle of births and deaths here.

Then we have Prahlad das, who is ALSO citing these IRM attacks against PADA on the poison issue as well, because he is another person who has surrendered to the chicken tikka courts and he tosses out the words of the pure devotee. He and his pal William Moorehouse always cite the IRM posts against PADA that say, the poison complaint is bogus unless it is established in the courts (by the cigar smoking chicken tikka eating court folks).  

They think if one eats chickens, smoke cigars, and goes to law school, then one is able to over ride the words of the acharya. The same courts have allowed the dead carcass of Kirtanananda to be buried in the holy dham, since they needed a legal court approved permit to do that. That is our authority, the same legal system that allows the carcass of Kirtanananda to be buried in the holy land?

Of course, that is when Prahlad is not citing the worst blasphemers of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna on his site, because he now openly accepts and cites these blasphemers of God as his higher authorities. Prahlad loves the blasphemers who say that the Krishna religion is a criminal operation, because Krishna is a criminal Himself. That is his authority that he now cites on his site, the people who use the foulest language against Krishna in the world, are the people he licks the boots of. Lets face it, Prahlad cites these blasphemers on his site because he is one with them. 

So it really comes down to, whose authority do we accept? The court? Academia? Poison deniers like Hansadutta and the IRM? The worst blasphemers of God?

Wyatt is sort of in this category as well, he keeps insisting that Srila Prabhupada wanted no more initiations -- so there will be no more cooks, poojaris, and brahmanas for temple functions. Yet he never tells us where that is stated, that the temples will become devoid of any pooja, cooks etc.? Rather Srila Prabhupada said we cannot invite in Krishna, and then abandon Him?

Where is this ordered, that the pooja will be abandoned because there will be no initiated people doing the pooja? Its not stated anywhere, Wyatt is simply making himself as the higher authority on this issue, and he is over riding the acharya who said -- "do not change anything after I depart." Srila Prabhupada never said the system of having initiated poojaris would be stopped, he wanted it to be expanded and increased.

He never would have invited in Krishna, just to have the whole thing grind to a halt after 1978? That means Wyatt is taking the post as the order giver to the acharya, he is over stepping the authority of the acharya. And worse, he is promoting the idea of abandoning Krishna de facto. He is not accepting the authority of the acharya, who said, keep things going as they are now going, that means the initiations will continue hencforward.  

The devotees in Gainseville said the FBI told them they would prosecute this as a homicide if it had taken place in the USA. Notice that Ram Mohan now also says that the courts, the people who eat chickens, hamburgers, goat's livers, and drink beer and so on, are the authorities of Ram Mohan. He has surrendered to these people, we have not.

Then again we have devotees like Sanat and Mukunda who accept the conspiracy sites that say the world is run by the serpent people from the Draco constellation, and we need to do something about all the Jewish Bankers and etc. That is their line of authority, more beef eating speakers who promote the Draco constellation serpent people program. Their line of authority is the beef eating speculators. And so this is why Srila Prabhupada says, select your line of authority carefully. In any case, we are sorry to report to tall these folks, we simply do not accept their various lines of authority. ys pd

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Friday, April 18, 2014

Vaiyasaki's Kirtan Web Site

Serve Krishna or Serve Crocodiles (NOD 16)

PADA: Read full article here: 

Pradyumna: (reading) "Bhakti-rasa, however, the mellow relished in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, does not finish with the end of life. It continues perpetually and is therefore called amrta, that which does not die, but exists eternally."

Prabhupada: This is the importance of Krsna consciousness, that in the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is said:

tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam harer / bhajann apakvo tha patet tato yadi / yatra kva vabhadram abhud amusya kim / ko vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah [SB 1.5.17]

Just like sometimes they say that the, in this movement, just like the cinema, the hippies are joining. Accepting that hippies are... Hippies means they're useless. They are joining. Bhagavata says that those who are very dutiful, they are called sva-dharma nistha. Sva-dharma nistha. According to Vedic culture, there are different divisions of the society. Brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, sudra, brahmacari, grhastha, vanaprastha. So these are called sva-dharma, means, engaged in one's occupational duty. That is called sva-dharma. Or, in the modern sense, somebody's engaged in business, somebody's engaged in other occupation, profession. There are...

Every man has got some engagement. That's a fact. So Bhagavata says that: tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam harer [SB 1.5.17]. Anyone, even by sentiment, or by any reason, he gives up his own occupational duty and takes shelter of Krsna, or joins this Krsna consciousness movement, tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam harer... All right. If one has joined this Krsna consciousness movement, doing very nicely, he's improving, that's all right. But if he falls down...

Because sometimes they come out of sentiment, join this movement and again falls down. Sometimes. Not very occasionally. But there is chance because maya is very strong. One may fall down. Bhagavata says bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi. He's not mature. In immature stage, by some reason or other, if he falls down, then yatra kva vabhadram abhud amusya kim. Then what is the loss there? There is no loss.

Suppose he joined out of sentiment and executed devotional service for some time under the direction of the spiritual master, according to the regulations of the sastras, but incidentally, he falls down. He becomes a victim to the maya. Bhagavata says still there is no loss. There is no loss. On the other hand, a person who is engaged in his occupational duty very sincerely, he has not become a devotee, Bhagavata says: "What does he gain?" One who is engaged in his occupational duty very sincerely, doesn't care for Krsna consciousness, then Bhagavata says: "What does he gain?" He doesn't gain anything. But the, that man who joined this Krsna consciousness movement out of sentiment, but immaturely he falls down, he has no loss. This is the...

Try to understand this. Because this Krsna consciousness is the consciousness of the spirit soul. That is reality. Therefore as the soul is eternally, his advancement in that consciousness, that also becomes an eternal asset. That will never be lost. Even if (he) falls down in this life, he could not execute cent percent the duties in Krsna consciousness, even he falls down, so whatever he has done in this life, that becomes a permanent asset. So that, from next life, he'll be given chance. In... In ordinary karmi's life, there is no guarantee that he'll get next life a human body. According to his karma he'll get a body. Maybe animal body or maybe demigod's body. But there is no certainty that he'll get a human body. But this man, who out of sentiment joined in Krsna consciousness movement, and immaturely falls down, he's guaranteed to get a very nice human body.

That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita that sucinam srimatam gehe yogo bhrasto sanjayate [Bg. 6.41]. He'll get birth in a family, sucinam. Sucinam means pious brahmana family or devotee's family. He'll get birth. Or in rich family. The second-class will get in rich family. But both these families will give them chance to begin where he ended his Krsna consciousness in the last life. He'll begin from there. That is his opportunity. Therefore there is no loss. His next life as human being is guaranteed. Even if he's fallen down. But the others, who does not take to Krsna consciousness, doing his own duty, but he will get a body according to his karma. Not... That, that is the difference between the karmis and the devotee. Devotee, even if he is not successful to execute the devotional... perfectly, but whatever he has done, ten percent, twenty percent, fifty percent, that is his asset. It will never be lost. That is being stated. Go on.

Pradyumna: "This is confirmed in all Vedic literatures. The Bhagavad-gita says that a little advancement in bhakti-rasa can save the devotee from the greatest danger, that of missing the opportunity for human life."

ISKCON Rishikesh Temple (video)

Apparently: No Love Lost for "GBC's Gurus"

[Priyavrata has been saying the GBC's gurus "did great service."]

Amar Puri says: Aspiration at the personal level of ones’ own agenda is always very dangerous. Srila Prabhupada knew this very well in His Iskcon Institution at the early stage. However, Srila Prabhupada not only selflessly rendered his service in the mission of His Guru Maharaja but engaged also who so ever came along to help him regardless. He did not check who is who? Why, because a Mahatama sees everyone equal.

Now that who is who have created so much havoc in the Institution on account of their personal greed and desires of all kinds that it has become imperative to point out that the personal creeper of their desires have been rooted so badly which is unthinkable to bring back to its normal original state as per the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada's desires.

So who are the culprits? They are the GBC people and their associates whose names have been mentioned in the comments. I wonder, where is the CREDIT to give and where is it DUE ?

Sundarananda says: Pritavrata das proves his slavish lobotomised cult status by defending the most disgraceful and lowest of human beings Kirtanananda. He says:

"I know factually in my heart of hearts that devotees like Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Hayagriva, Satasvarupa, and so on, have practically demonstrated their great service to Prabhupada; Hayagriva with his wonderful, authorized, editing as well as his own writings. Satsvarupa with his writings, Hansadutta with his book distribution, and Kirtanananda with his New Vrndavan project. We should be ignorant to their individual accomplishments."

What! Kirtanananda will be rotting in hell for many lifetimes as a result of his crimes against humanity. Krishna only knows how many sincere souls were driven out of Srila Prabhupadas movement by his perverted and genocidal ways. Priyavrata says Kirtanananda demonstrated his "great service" to Srila Prabhupada. I can hardly believe what I am reading !!

Perhaps Priyavrata should speak with some of the abused victims of Kirtananandas regime and educate himself about assassinated victims like Sulocana das who was murdered for blowing the lid on the bogus Guru business. Obviously Priyavrata has no experience with justice or law enforcement. Incredibly, Kirtananandas rotting body was put into so called samadhi in Vrindavana, what a disgrace, I guess Priyavrata would agree with that and visit his so called samadhi on pilgrimage.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Sudarsana Das Vanacari says: Priyavrata is posing the question. Should persons who poisoned Srila Prabhupada, murdered devotees, smuggled drugs, murdered children, sodomized little boys, were convicted felons, gun runners, deviates, pimping out ‘devotee women’, thieves, racketeers, conspirators, liars, cheats, psychopaths, pretenders, bogus guru hoaxers, intimidators and offenders of honest devotees, offenders of Srila Prabhupada Himself, delusional aspirants, power hungry megalomaniacs, misfits, fools, adulterers, gangsters, hitmen, madmen, sociopaths, tyrants, sudoriferous sleeze-bags, surreptitious toerags, gutless invertebrates, impotent cowards, maggots, self promoters, hypocrites, phonies and spurious reprobates be insulted publicly, or cast aside like rubbish? Well the answer to that Priyavrata das is I hope YES! for the sake of everybody else!

Vaisnava Dasanudas

[PADA: Sheesh, and people think PADA's language is "too heavy." Hee hee hee! ys pd]

Thursday, April 17, 2014

Dallas Rathayatra Newspaper Story

Dhotis Look Like "Adult Diapers"

[PADA: Oh oh, here we go again. ys pd]

More Srila Prabhupada Lectures online

Class on Bhakti Yoga

Heaven Is For Real (the Movie)

PADA: Thanks prabhu. No, we are not saying this movie is authentic from Vedic view point. What is clear however is this, the little boy in the movie has inspired many people in his home town to get serious about worshiping God. Later on, many thousands more people were inspired to worship God, thanks to the book about the boy. Now, maybe tens of thousands will be inspired to worship God thanks to the movie. Already people are reported to be crying while watching the movie, they are getting inspired to think of God. 

That is what we as devotees of God are also supposed to be doing, inspiring other people to think of God, and worship God. Some people report to us being inspired by PADA, and our idea of worship of the pure acharya. OK that's at least better than nothing, but all of us as devotees should unite and spread Krishna's holy name together and help others. That's the real mission, and that is also the direct order of Srila Prabhupada, cooperate and spread the mission. 

Of course, we have had a hard time since 1977 finding cooperation, since we are saying we will not "cooperate" with programs that support debauchees posing as Krishna's messiahs. More and more people now cooperate with our idea, but we still have a few foot dragging people attacking us, since they are still trying to compromise and cover up for the debauchee guru's process. 

For that matter, even our little old lady neighbor is inspiring. She sits in her rocking chair out here, on her front porch, singing Christian hymns -- sometimes for hours together. She inspires people to think about God. She even inspires us. Every time we hear her singing -- our hearts feel joy. Point is, we should learn from others. This boy is doing more to inspire people to worship God than almost all of our so-called Vedic devotees put together. We should back up for a minute and think -- why has this happened? ys pd     

Ritvik Acharya Association

The "Destroying the Deity Worship" Project

WYATT: Dearest Puranjana dasa, you have erased some of the words and the word ritvik and cut and join the sentence on the above comment.

[PADA: Wyatt you are saying that Srila Prabhupada wanted no more initiations to go on, so there would be no more deity worship. Why are you saying he wanted the deity worship to stop?]

We notice you do this a lot. Why?

[PADA: Because you have to answer our question first of all, why are you saying we need to have no more initiations so the deity worship has to be stopped all over ISKCON? Who ordered you to say the deities will no longer have initiated poojaris? Where does Srila Prabhupada say the deity worship will be stopped?]

IIs it because what we say can damage your bogus post samadhi ritvik initiation program?

[PADA: You tell us the whole deity program of Srila Prabhupada has to be stopped because there will no longer be any initiated disciples, you are the person causing damage, you want the entire deity program established by Srila Prabhupada to stop. Good job, you have ruined or destroyed it all over the place, by saying you no longer want any initiated poojaris! Why do you want to stop the worship of God, by getting rid of the worshipers?

The deity will be some sort of museum pieces with no poojaris. Why do you want to stop the worship of the deity of Lord Krishna? You have to answer our questions first, and you never do. That is why we cut of the rest of your message, because its not relevant to the topic at hand, who authorized Wyatt to halt the worship of Krishna? 

And why does he want to halt the worship of Krishna, is that not what Kamsa was doing? Stay on topic, answer the points at hand, you say you want no more initiated brahmanas, which is required for deity wotship, because you want to stop the worship of the deity. Who authorized you to halt the worship of Krishna? Thats what we need to know first of all. And yes, if you want to stop the worship of the deity, that means you think Krishna is a stone idol, He does not require any worship, you are making Krishna into a stone rather than a person who needs people to perform His worship. Wyatt, you are worse than the Christians, you are a smarta brahmana, you are saying that we cannot have initiations and deity worship, that is what they say. ys pd

[PADA NOTE: This problem is going on all over ISKCON. The GBC has stopped the Srila Prabhupada initiation process, thus there is no longer enough initiated poojaris. In some temples the GBC has had to import Bengalis and other foreigners to do the pooja. And we had reports that some of these Bengalis were then going out to get coffee and doughnuts right after mangal arotike every day, where they were "chatting it up" with the attractive young women waitresses at the coffee shop, while munching doughnuts. Why does the GBC / Wyatt program have no process to continue the worship of the deity, by halting the initiations process? Demons have always wanted to halt the worship of Krishna, that's what they do all the time. ys pd]   

Wednesday, April 16, 2014

Prabhupada's Entire Movement was Poisoned

PADA: Thanks Prabhu, yes you are right, the whole movement was actually poisoned. First of all, the entire ISKCON movement of Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by the false teachings of these false leaders. Hansadutta was one of those leaders. They collectively (poisoned) destroyed the movement of Srila Prabhupada. They made the society sick, diseased, ... ok they poisoned it.

And that is why the movement has become a ghost town, has a bad reputation, and has been divided into all kinds of "guru" camps, etc. And the general public has a real bad taste of the post-1977 movement. In sum, even the ordinary public also tasted a few drops of the poison that afflicted ISKCON, never mind the society's devotees became much more severely afflicted -- being in direct connection with the poison givers. And when we consider how the brahmanas, women, children and cows were attacked, well yes, its a form of poison as well. No doubt it harmed the innocent victims very severely just as a type of poison might.

And that is why a karmi CBS TV news woman could understand that Kirtanananda is a deviant, in less than a second, while at that SAME EXACT time Hansadutta -- and thousands of others in ISKCON, were saying Kirtanananda is a pure devotee. People were wearing "Kirtanananda Is King" T-shirts, and these were "the best devotees in ISKCON"? A TV news woman knew that all this was wrong, they did not. They were in other words, in complete illusion, being afflicted by the poisoned siddhanta that Kirtanananda is a pure devotee etc., the very same poison which Hansadutta was injecting his people with at the time.

Why were these people so badly afflicted, and a TV woman was not afflicted at all?

Because people like Hansadutta, whose minds have been poisoned by personal motivation, could not understand things properly. Srila Prabhupada says this many, many times, "the poison is personal motivation." He also says many times, "as long as there is personal motivation, a person will never understand this movement." This is the profit, adoration, distinction problem, and this means, they cannot understand things.

So now we are simply arguing, how deep has the poisoning of ISKCON gone? Did it extend also to the founder of the movement? Well many of us people now say, yes it does. Of course, the devotees of Srila Prabhupada were also many times -- "tortured to death" -- (de facto poisoned) because after being kicked out of ISKCON, a number of them died prematurely due to stress, grief, anxiety, depression, and maybe no small amount of drugs, alcohol poison, and overall premature fatal illness, and who knows what else, being so upset at how their beloved movement was being burnt to ashes by people like Hansadutta.

The victims were in short, more or less -- poisoned. Srila Saraswati would have lived for many more years, but he left early, in disgust at his motivated followers. Our Srila Prabhupada may have done the same thing, he saw his leaders waiting for him to die, so he left. Very same process could be the explanation here.

Since the Hansadutta crowd did not hesitate for one second to "torture and put to death" most of the followers of Srila Prabhupada, why would they not attack the father of these same people? If they would poison all the citizens, why would they not poison the king? Hansadutta never answers that, does he?

Now Hansadutta wants to challenge our group, those of us who feel the poison went deeper. We think that the founder was poisoned. And yet Hansadutta is still quoting arguments from the GBC, the same arguments Tamal's group have been giving. Who accepts their arguments? Not hardly anyone these days. Hansadutta appears to be back with them again, by quoting arguments from the GBC idea in regards to the poison case.

These days, almost nobody accepts the version of Srila Prabhupada's last days from the GBC version. Hansadutta is living in the past by quoting direct from their version, the good news is, he admits he has not studied the issue. "Please do not torture me and put me to death," its not some kind of "silly argument."

Hansadutta says what Tamal says, its foolish for us to say that "the poison is going down" is any sort of a problem. Really? Is that normal conversation around a guru? This is what Krishna Kanta (IRM) also said to us, its normal for people to be talking about poison around their guru. Both Hansadutta and the IRM accept the GBC version of the poison issue. Ram Mohan is now saying the arsenic is the only evidence we have, Srila Prabhupada's statements do not matter?

One thing they argue is, Srila Prabhupada would have had to identify his attacker(s). Did Prahlad maharaja identify the servants of his father who attacked him? Did Jesus identify anyone, even Judas, as his attacker? Did Haridas Thakura name his attackers? Saintly people may or may not identify their attackers. First off, we are not the boss of the pure devotees? We cannot say they would have to do this, have to do that, or etc. Jesus forgave all his attackers, that is the nature of a great soul, he may not even protest at all. How can we argue, he would have had to protest more, or according to our idea? We are not his boss!

We do know that Srila Prabhupada said, Ravana will kill me if I stay in my room. Who is that Ravana? Who stopped the Srila Prabhupada devotees from going to Vrndavana? Who hid all the 1977 documents? Are they saints? How did arsenic get into Srila Prabhupada's hair? Why was Balavanta's investigation stopped?

Why have they never explained why these poison whispers were being said?

And yes, Hansadutta was in the room during the time these whispers were being made, he was right there because his voice is intertwined in the conversations where some of these whispers are being made. He was there, so he should know there was a problem -- at least way before us. He knew they were keeping him in a room, he knew they would not take him out, he knew that Srila Prabhupada said Ravana is in my room, get me out of here.

Why is Hansadutta now saying -- there was no problem here, when he was one of the biggest at protesting at the time -- that something is horribly amiss here? Now he says, nothing was amiss? Well sorry, something was and is amiss, we know that in part because he was saying that at the time!

He wants us to accept his judgement and ideas at present, yet he did not even know that worship of a homosexual as a pure devotee is bogus, when a karmi TV woman knew that, in an instant. He thinks he has got everything figured out, when a TV lady was able to figure out in one second what baffled him for more than a decade. She figured this out a billion times faster than Hansadutta, but we have to rely on his clouded judgement to figure out the poison issue?

A man who could not even discriminate that homosexuals are not the successors to Jesus is our authority?
And so, Hansadutta should have been the one to get these tapes decades ago, and not have waited for us to have to dig around forever, and finally have to fish around from long times ago to get "another eye-witnesses" to get us a copy.

We got a copy from another eye-witness who was there with Hansadutta. The person who got us the tape was right there when Hansadutta was there, this witness figured out there was a problem with poison AT THE TIME. Now Hansadutta, who seems to have a hard time understanding which way is up, is now the authority of all this?

Hansadutta should have lead the charge on this, he was there, we were not. We had to dig forever to get this info, apparently, he sat on it as did all the others, except for, the one guy who eventually got us the tapes who was right there at the same time as Hansadutta. He was there, and so was Hansadutta. How come our eye witness was alarmed, and Hansadutta was not? Meanwhile, if we look at the transcripts, he was protesting and saying they were mistreating Srila Prabhupada by not following his wishes. He knew something was wrong because he said so at the time. Maybe his ego just cannot accept that his pals were real demons, and his hands are dirty because he supported them after 1977.

And now we have Hansadutta resorting to the GBC techniques of name calling, these people are liars, these people are flies, hey, that is the standard GBC technique. Better idea is to actually read all the materials, and come up with a better explanation other than name calling. That's not going anywhere.

Our people accept the issue because they read the materials. Anyway, the people who poisoned the ISKCON movement with their bogus gurus, and seemingly tried everything they could to kill the movement, and kill ISKCON's devotees with their poison bogus guru siddhanta, might be the last people to understand how high up the poison went, that is to be expected.

They might not ever figure this out, because they were too close to the poisoner sabha themselves, and they also administered their own versions of poison to ISKCON, for example bogus guru siddhanta poison, to kill the society. They had their own poison of personal ambition to kill off ISKCON, maybe not as direct as arsenic, but just as deadly in the long run.

How can the same people who killed the movement with their personal ambition poison bottle, understand another layer of poison was going on? Maybe they can't, because their brains are too dirty with their own poisoning of ISKCON issues. Anyway the good news is, the poison boil is popping, and all forms poison are coming out all over the place. Its getting purified gradually, and that means -- ISKCON will gradually be able to get better over time and start to recover.

ys pd

April 11, 2014

Prabhupadanuga Convention in Alachua set for 2015

Hare Krishna dear Prabhupadanuga devotees. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

This is to report to you that we are fast advancing toward a most exciting spiritual mark in our service to Srila Prabhupada, the First Prabhupadanuga International convention, to be held in Alacua Florida starting on April 17th and ending on April 22nd 2015. The weather is simply great during that time in Alachua!

I met with Krishna Bhakta Dasa, originally of Ireland and Jayananda Dasa prabhu, in New York. These two devotees are most enthusiastic and have come up with great ideas to make the convention a total success. They have pledged to help all the way! Krishna Bhakta Dasa has a successful bed and breakfast business in New York and works hard and smart preaching to all he comes in contact with. Jayananda Dasa is the founder of the band., Cromag, has written a book that is becoming a movie and he has at least 93K followers in social media!

Jayananda Dasa prabhu will make sure that all the Prasada will be organic, and he will fly in from Europe, one of the best Prabhupadanuga cook on the planet! Krishna Bhakta Dasa at once said he will try to plant all we will use for Prasada on his land in Alachua! I feel so honored to have the association of, and opportunity to serve Srila Prabhupada in the association of these devotees! All glories to them!!

Chanchalapathi Dasa of Bangalore, has sent the invitation to all Indian GBCs and TPs, so we expect the very best in Prabhupadanuga association!! So make sure you put the date of this convention on your calendar NOW!! :) Please try hard to attend! All you have to do, is get yourself to Florida and if you need a ride from the airport, we will be there to pick you up. No worries after that. All facility and Prasada will be provided to all free of charge!

Gradually, we are getting a very good picture as to what agendas and issues should be addressed at the convention. We plan to make all of the highest category. The main idea is to unite more, so we may serve Srila Prabhupada in a way that is more pleasing to him.

Having said that, we are looking for devotees to express themselves more, with ideas of what you feel should be part of this convention. Thank for your attention. Looking forward for your input!
Mahatma Dasa

Prabhupada now Web Site

As we are working on the layout of the book Prabhupada Now! about dreams and mystical experiences of devotees with Srila Prabhupada, it occurred to us to ask for more nectar. If you have:

- a dream
- a mystical experience
- a first meeting account

relating directly to or about Srila Prabhupada since His departure, please send it to and we will publish it for the glorification of the pure devotee. Deadline for submissions is April 30th, so please act now and put in writing your experience to share with the worldwide Vaishnava community.

Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

Hansadutta Attacks Jesus to Rationalize Poison Issue

Hansadutta replies to PADA (04/15/14)

@"Justice for our Spiritual master"

Below Hansadutta prabhu suggest that all this poison talk turns Prabhupada into a fool. So Hansadutta pr is asking us to stop turning Prabhupada into a foolish conditioned soul.

Dear Rammohan Prabhu, Obeisances, all glories ti Srila Prabhupada.

All this talk and speculation of Prabhupada being poisoned started years after Srila Prabhupada disappeared, I noted that it was mostly disgruntled and frustrated devotees, who had some axe to grind with Tamal Krishna or others. Do you really think Srila Prabhupada would silently, without clearly, unambiguously and specifically saying by name, time and place "Tamal Krsna, or Bhavananda or such and such devotees are poisoning me with Arsenic." He was such a fool?

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada does say he is being poisoned by someone. For example, Bhakti Caru swami was in the room, and then crying outside of Srila Prabhupada's room. When asked why he was crying, he said "because Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned." Adridharana das was also in the room, he says he was "very alarmed" by the poison complaint. In short, everyone in the room agrees Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned by someone. Bhakti Caru swami sums it up: "someone gave him poison here." The kaviraja also says -- some demons are giving him poison, and so on and so forth.

THUS! The people in that room did know that Srila Prabhupada is saying he is being poisoned, because they ALL confirmed they heard the poison complaint at that time. Hansadutta claims that there was no poison complaint, and no confirmation from the people in the room, but clearly -- he is wrong.

Prithu Putra swami also said he knew Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned, and that is why he left ISKCON. Nanda Kumar says he knew there was a big demon in Srila Prabhupada's presence, a demon that he should have killed. Various kavirajas said they knew Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Srila Prabhupada says "yeh sab friends" are talking about poisoning me, and they were. The whispers prove that. One whisper (for example) says, "the poison is going down." Hansadutta fails to explain these issues, other than to say its all foolishness. Really? The poison is going down -- is some sort of silly foolishness?  

And if Srila Prabhupada did not trust the people in his room, and he didn't, apparently because he felt most of them were simply waiting for him to die so they could sit in his seat, why would he say anything to any of them at all? He had already said on November 3rd 1977, -- "my only request is, do not torture me and put me to death." Why would he even have to say such a thing, unless ... he is being tortured and put to death? 

READ: He is being "tortured and put to death" by this group.

Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned in Hindi, to make sure at least some people knew he was being poisoned. He knew that Hindi portion of the tape could come out eventually, and the whole issue would be exposed, and that is exactly what happened. That is very clever, he knew his poison complaint was being tape recorded, and EVENTUALLY it would get into the right hands, and come out in due course, because it was hidden in the hindi tape. 

We heard there was such a tape in existence in the year 1990, so we prayed to Krishna to get that tape, and in 1997, Krishna answered our prayers and He got us the tape. Thus Krishna arranged that the poison complaint would become openly evident after some time, and it did emerge later on. 

Of course not only the poison complaint surfaced, eventually all sorts of other crimes of this GBC guru clique -- ALSO -- "came out later" on as well. Thus all the banning, beating, molesting, assassinating, is now very clear. All this emanated from this group, just like the stink of dog stools emanates from the stools itself, this group committed ALL these crimes, and this could be just the tip of the iceberg as far as we know. 

Since this guru clique is now WELL known publicly and worldwide as deviated criminals, why would they not poison someone to take over their victims assets, money and property, that is what criminals do every single day of the week? One reason the poison issue is accepted so widely is -- exactly because its CRYSTAL clear the guru clique leaders are great criminals. Look at the way these leaders collectively treated the devotees of Srila Prabhupada, banning, beating, killing them, why would then not treat the father of these devotees the same way? What many folks NOW say is -- "Of course they would treat the father the same way they treated his children." Makes perfect sense!

By 1985 Hansadutta has banished and banned 99.99 percent of his God brothers and sisters from the Berkeley temple. That means he demonized the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and made them fear for their lives. Devotees of Srila Prabhupada told us repeatedly, they feared for their lives from Hansadutta's regime. That means Hansadutta killed their service to Krishna, and killed the worship of the pure devotee. Is there a whole lot of difference between killing the guru, and  killing the worship of the guru? Not a whole lot!  

For example, one poor ex-poojari lady told us -- since Hansadutta had kicked her out of her service to the deity, she lost her will to live. Shortly after that (1986) she died from cancer. She had lost her will to live means, Hansadutta killed her spirit, and then her body followed suit. Krishna mercifully took her away from  these Hansadutta-ized people. De facto, Hansadutta killed her, and slowly by cancer disease, she was indeed "tortured and put to death" by Hansadutta's program. If Hansadutta would de facto kill the devotees of Srila Prabhupada by killing their spirit to live, and torturing and putting them to death, why would his regime not attack the father of these same devotees? Most folks agree, they would treat the father the same way as his children. 

And now Hansadutta says because all of these devotees had their service killed by his party, if not their lives were killed, they are fools? Demons have always attacked the service of the devotees, they passed urine on the brahmana sacrifices, burned their houses, kidnapped their wives, even killed the brahmanas, that is what demons do since time immemorial. Does that means brahmanas are fools because they are always attacked by demon enterprises like Hansadutta's? 

And in 1986 the GBC wrote that Kirtanananda is "like Jesus," and Hansadutta was a big kirtana leader of that "Jaya Bhaktipada" parade. Hansadutta was saying Kirtanananda is "the purest devotee on the planet." Hansadutta is comparing his homosexual pals like Kirtanananda to Jesus, and we are getting killed as a  result, does that make us fools? 

Saying we have to worship deviants and not Jesus is what happened to Jesus himself when he was here! Pharisees like Hansadutta said we need to worship deviants and not Jesus, even when Jesus was here, thus the propaganda of people like Hansadutta is how Jesus was killed in the first place! Hansadutta types have displaced the worship of pure devotees in favor of deviants, and had the pure devotees or the devotees of the pure devotees beaten and killed, ever since time began. What difference does it make if Pharisees say the worship of Jesus is bogus whether he is physically here or not, the mentality is the same, to kill the worship. 

Devotees great and small are "tortured and put to death" by Hansadutta type regimes -- ever since time began. Anyway Srila Prabhupada says, the way you treat the master's dog is how you treat the master. Thus the servants of Srila Prabhupada were banned, beat and killed by Hansadutta' regime, that is apparently, how he treats the master as well, at least according to Srila Prabhupada. Sorry Jesus was crucified, thousands of Christians were tossed to the lions, Sulochana was killed, in sum -- Vaishnava preachers are arrested, tortured, killed, since millions of years ago, that does not make them fools, that makes them Krishna's heros. Krishna loves these preachers, all of them, great or small.] 

HD: Srila Prabhupada ran a pharmacy as a business, made his own medicine, was quite familiar with chemicals ( Worked for Bose's laboratories ) and their effect, one of his close friends was Dr. Ghosh.

[PADA: And that is one reason he knew he was being poisoned. He knew the symptoms, he said he had the symptoms, he says he read it in a book somewhere. Yes, he would know he had the symptoms of poison from his pharmacy background. Correct. 

Dr. Bonamali confirmed that as well, Srila Prabhupada DOES HAVE the symptoms, and he said that Srila Prabhupada's urine sample showed signs of blood and bone marrow in the blood, which is a symptom of heavy metal poison (such as arsenic and cadmium). Excess of arsenic was found in his hair sample. 

A gurukuli said he saw Bhavananda pouring white powder on Srila Prabhupada's food, and arsenic also comes in powdered form. And this gurukuli said he heard them talking about poison when he was hiding under a desk. Where was Hansadutta when all this was going on? We cannot say for sure, but we can say that immediately after Srila Prabhupada departed Hansadutta and Tamal were hanging around together in Topanga, plotting how to drive us all out and remove all the Srila Prabhupada worshipers from ISKCON, and make ISKCON into a criminal operation in the name of God Almighty. 

They were peas in a PADA. Hansadutta was Tamal's bucket boy, and we hate to say it, being the bucket boy of Judas is not good, at all. Hansadutta's real reaction is because, we can all link him to these fools like Kirtanananda, Tamal, etc. As Canakya says, "the real action is in the reaction."] 

HD: Prabhupada also told us that is was said by an astrologer "This man was a doctor in his previous life"..... etc...... So - Srila Prabhupada was oblivious to who and what was going on around him and he was being administered arsenic poison by the people ( Disciples ) attending him? He just mystically ( inexplicably ) endured the administration of arsenic poisoning by some neophyte disciples?

[PADA: And Jesus was crucified because he was betrayed by his neophyte disciples. Does that mean Jesus was foolish?]  

HD: When Prabhupada was so particular about every detail of his books, deities, art work, temple construction, preparation of his and devotees' prasadam, etc....... meticulous in every endeavour and every thing he encountered.. We are to believe that at the time of his passing, he simply became indifferent, he could not say "Hansadutta ... Tamal Krsna Maharaja and so and so devotees .. are giving me poison, please help me, take me out of this situation ??" Would any ordinary man knowing he was being betrayed by his closest friends and relatives simply submit to that ?? I dont think so. Do you, does anyone?

[PADA: Jesus did exactly that, he was betrayed, he knew he was being betrayed, he could have walked down the hill from the garden of Gethsemane and left town, but he chose to stay. That was foolish?]

HD: Stop comparing Srila Prabhupada to Jesus Christ, of who no one knows (none of you all know anything about, except from imperfect hearsay ) anything, since in Christianity there is no standard.

[PADA: Christians have a far higher standard that Hansadutta. They do not pose themselves as messiahs and then have illicit sex with followers, while getting high on intoxicants. They would never dream of conducting themselves in such a degraded manner, because they have some integrity, and no small amount of respect for God and His messiahs. 

And when Kirtanananda was at the height of foolishness, and he was molesting boys etc., at that time Hansadutta declared that Kirtanananda is another pure devotee, and the GBC were advertising Kirtanananda as good as -- Jesus. This is an insult to Jesus, and Hansadutta participated in this odious deviation of comparing a homosexuals to Jesus, because he became the biggest foot kisser of Kirtanananda on the planet at that time.] 

HD:  Christians lack a Vedic system of disciplic succession perfect system of GURU PARAM PARA (as in our line).

[PADA: Christians worship Jesus, as such they would never promote the worship of deviants, drug addicts, homosexuals and criminals like Hansadutta was doing. Hansadutta has no idea what the parampara is or he never would have promoted these deviations in the name of the parampara in the first place. The real reason Hansadutta is upset with the Christians, their police and courts had to follow him and drag his cult into court to stop his crime spree in the name of God. In any case, this is another smoke screen, and does not explain the poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada.] 

HD: A line from which we can receive the perfect account of his teachings ( Words ) and his activities. Actually at the present moment, one would be hard pressed to find ONE PERFECTLY FOLLOWING AND REALIZED DISCIPLE OF LORD JESUS ON THIS PLANET.

[PADA: Even the worst Christians never promote the worship of their homosexual pals as Jesus like messiahs like Hansadutta was doing? Even our trash man would never even dream of posing as a messiah, while taking drugs, having illicit sex, and orchestrating murders of God's devotees like the Hansadutta / Kirtanananda regime was doing. And then the Christian FBI had to contain these demoniac activities, otherwise these criminals would have been unchecked, and we'd be dead as well.]

HD: When I was singing for Srila Prabhupada in those last two months, if I mispronounced a word, or omitted a word of the Bhajan, Srila Prabhupada would interject and correct me.. Does this sound like a man who had become hopelessly indifferent, depressed and in a mood of "Let it all hang out" who cares, these disciples are useless demonic persons, so let them do what they want.... I humbly accept it as the will of KRSNA? I don't think so, that was never Srila Prabhupada's attitude never, he was full of determination, and TRIKALAGNA, knower of Past-Present and

Future. Srila Prabhupada could not specifically identify who is doing what? Hard to believe.

Puranjan's stupid insane suggestion to advertise "SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS MURDERED" to establish that he was the true representative of KRSNA... "LIKE JESUS CHRIST" is .. well ! in a word .... LUNACY !!! INSANITY... the ravings of a MADMAN.

I suggest to you find the VVN article mentioned in my previous post. You go through it and decide if it is relevant..I also suggest that there should be a filtering system to determine a devotees qualification before posting his / her writings. Maybe something like , having read all of Prabhupada's books and heard his audio ( especially darshans and morning walks ) having or being a part or present temple president, actively preaching. Some standard, like a king would have a council of learned Brahmins who would give the King and his ministers sound advice on ruling his kingdom.

The idea of "Free speech / Freedom of speech" is a modern absurdity as much as "free love / sexual freedom" women's rights ( Women Gurus) ... Gay rights, ( Gay Gurus, for the Gays ?? ) same sex marriage.... non discrimination, Democracy, Anarchy etc.... this is all non - sense ( Prabhupada taught us ) but it is being introduced more and more in the community of Prabhupada's disciples world wide... Why? you want to have a Gay Guru? a woman Guru? a lesbian Guru? a Pedophile Guru? a transgender Guru??

CORRECTION TO MY PREVIOUS POST; I realised, Actually Puranjan is not a fly... He's a maggot or worm in the stool, flies at least touch and go, but maggots and worms in stool are perpetually absorbed and at home in stool. Puranja's exclusive engagement is finding out, eating and serving up stool 24/7. He's not a fly, he's a worm in stool. I wanted to correct that.

Your servant,
Hansadutta dsas

[PADA: As tri-kala jna, he knew I would get my hand on his tape and expose you rats. Yep, you demonized us and had us killed, and you are still at it. Saying that Jesus is a fool because he allowed himself to be betrayed is not going to help your argument. Srila Prabhupada's astrology chart says, you will live for ten more years, if you can live for the next six months, the real danger is from your "juniors and subordinates." Danger from juniors and subordinates? That means, no one else other than your party Mr. Hansadutta. ys pd]

Tuesday, April 15, 2014

Bir Krishna swami Defends Krishna West

PADA: Told ya there was no "unanimous vote" against Hrdayananda. Krishna West is making its head quarters in North Carolina, and that is also where Bir Krishna's headquarters are. Hmmm! ys pd

Bir Krishna swami endorses Krishna West project.

ISKCON Leaders Lost Credibility (Amar Puri)

AP: I find this personality Hansadutta Dasa as a devotee leader whose mind is very unbalanced, like so many other leaders in Iskcon. The reason being, that all these so called leaders have had a strong desire to take the place of Srila Prabhupada, and take over His world wide Iskcon. That is what they did.

This is also what happened in the Gaudiya Matha, they were motivated and took over their guru's seat and assets, and then they ruined His mission. Same pattern. Unfortunately, some of them were not able to hold on to their respective self-created imperious, grandious, and pompous positions, and thus they fell down in due course of time.

Those who seem to be holding on to their personally desired agenda for their bogus guru POSITIONS etc. within the present Iskcon, are constantly creating changes, changes not only in the Books of Srila Prabhupada, but always implementing new and different sets of rules and regulations in order to continue holding on to their created respective positions within the present Iskcon. Now they simply say its common for acharyas to be attracted to illicit affairs, they have changed the entire siddhanta of Krishna and ISKCON.

ALAS …. Hansadutta Dasa has happened to be one of these unfortunate fallen persons who could not hold on to his false self-advertised position, but he is still being desirous for certain Labha, Puja and Prathistha, as it seems, so he is still unable to humble himself and learn from his very own MISTAKES, mischievously done in his own life up until now.

That is the dilemma. That is why even his own preaching as being a Ritvik Representative of Srila Prabhupada is not efficiently effective, neither in the Iskcon nor out side of the Iskcon. He is still not taken seriously because the underlying attitude problem does not seem to have fully changed over.

Giving him and the readers the benefit of doubt, that he is humble, then WHY Hansadutta dasa is not humbly admitting his wrong doing and exposing the FACTS, such as this Poison issue, the bogus appointment, the crimes that went on, and so on ………AS AN ORDINARY HUMBLE DEVOTEE and work with the other like minded group of people who are following Srila Prabhupada.

Why he is not doing this ?

It simply means that he has no CREDIBILITY at all. Is this not a FACT?


Photos -- Walking Around Vrndavana

6 locations rated "Worst In India"


[PADA: Some of the current politicians running for office are vowing to "clean up the Yamuna" if they are voted in. We'll see. ys pd]


Monday, April 14, 2014

Hansadutta das: on the Poison Issue

From Hansadutta

*Anyone ( like Puranjan ) can say anything, right or wrong, without presenting evidence, and there are no consequences. Not only Puranjan but anyone, whatever one may say, right or wrong .... there's no consequences.

[PADA: Problem here is, Srila Prabhupada is the person who says he is being poison and not us? The reason so many people have accepted the poison issue is -- because of the statements of the pure devotee, not because we happened to forward his statements. Since Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, that is good enough for most of us.]

HD: Therefore there will never be any action taken on any issue. 

[PADA: Sorry, there is a lot of action being taken on all these issues. Many people are reading, getting up to speed, agreeing and getting involved. More and more sites are promoting the poison issue, and its statements and evidences, so its spreading around and has ever since it was publicly announced by us in 1997.] 

HD: So it is useless, it is a Caffee Klatch. You know the Germans are fond of "die Kaffee Stube" (coffee bar)..... old ladies go there, sit around, drink coffee and eat pastries and " KUCHEN ". Show off their latest dress or hat.... jewlery..... Actually the whole internet is like that Kaffee Klatching (coffee gossip) for different groups... politicals, economists, socialists, survivalists, .. on and on.... no result. 

[PADA: Well maybe, except almost everyone writes about the ritviks, the poison issue, the bogus guru's issue, maybe because, these are serious issues?]

HD: Let's just consider Puranjan, he has no authority from Prabhupada to do what he is doing. 

[PADA: Right, we did not declare ourselves to be messiahs and then take percodans, drink schnops, have illicit sex with a bunch of women, shoot guns at occupied buildings, burn Berkeley temple to the ground, promote homosexuals as messiahs, ad infinitum. That has been "authorized by Prabhupada," because that is what Hansadutta was doing? Where does Hansadutta derive his authority from?]

HD: He never had any responsible service while Prabhupada was here, he was not a Sankirtan, book distributor, he has opened no temple ever, he has probably never recruited a single devotee. 

[PADA: Well that is how the Gaudiya Matha criticized Srila Prabhupada, he was "not a big devotee." He did no substantial service blah blah blah. None of that matters, we said acharyas are not deviants, and we are right. It does not matter if we are the temple's dog, we are right.]

[...] Now lets just take a few points made by Puranjan...."Jesus Christ was killed...." 

[PADA: Once again Hansadutta cannot put one foot in front of the other? The person who says Jesus Christ was killed is Srila Prabhupada, not us. Hansadutta thinks that statements made by Srila Prabhupada are being made by us, because he never took the time to actually read what Srila Prabhupada says. And Srila Prabhupada SAYS -- just as Jesus was killed they may kill me also. That's NOT what we said? So this is called straw man argument, Hansadutta makes pretend we said something that we never said, rather Srila Prabhupada said this and we quoted him. He has not studied the issue or he would know who said what.]    

HD In 1969 Prabhupada read, "The Aquarian Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ" by Levi which was a popular book of that time, purported to be recieved by revelation to the author Levi. I also read this book because Prabhupada read it. His comment was, "I was very happy and relieved that Lord Jesus Christ did not die on the Cross as is popularly understood, I was always puzzled by the gruesome death of Jesus described in the Bible because according to vedic literature a Great soul cannot meet with such a gruesome death. So I am very much relieved to read in this book, that Jesus did not die on the cross, but was taken by some of his followers and healed, and subsequently traveled to Kashmir and died there in old age. In this book ( perhaps you have read it? ) it describes Jesus going to Jagannath Puri, he observes the worship of Jagannath deities, but disapproves of it. 

Prabhupada commented, "Jesus could not understand deity worship." Tamal asked him if Jesus was a pure
devotee, Prabhupada said he was not a pure devotee, nevertheless, he was a Saktyavesa Avatara, and we accept him as a great soul, as our Guru. These things are not to be repeated in public. 

[PADA: This is all undocumented, and would be considered as unreliable speculation in a real debate. Srila Prabhupada is however documented as saying Jesus is a pure devotee. He is documented as saying Jesus was killed and they may also kill me. None of this above from Hansadutta could be accepted in a debate because "Srila Prabhupada told me" is not evidence of anything. 

What is the evidence? 

Srila Prabhupada says -- my only request is do not torture me and put me to death; my "yeh sab friends" are talking about poisoning me; I am being poisoned by someone; Ravana will kill me if I stay in this room etc. The people in the room all agree he says he is being given poison. The people in the room are also discussing poisoning of gurus, and they are whispering "the poison is going down" etc. Hansadutta has no explanation for ANY of that.]

HD: Aside from this Prabhupada never said, "Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, my Guru Maharaja was poisoned." He always said, "It was said or it was suspected, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was poisoned."

[PADA: OK, and he says vahi bat, that same thing that people discussed before (about my Guru Maharaja?) ... is now happening to me. He also says "My guru maharaja also." So yes, that is an indication that poison has been used on other gurus, or even on his own guru. Srila Prabhupada says Srila Saraswati was being given injections, and he opposed that. Brahmananda also told people not to eat at Tirtha's place because "Srila Prabhupada says -- he poisoned his guru, and he might poison some of you." Hansadutta is now arguing FOR our case.]

HD: ".... also being in Vrindaban. I came there at the beginning of October 1977, from Sri Lanka. Although I was singing for Prabhupada every day for hours till the last day - 6 hours sitting on the bed with him, I never
heard Prabhupada say, "I am being poisoned, or someone has given me poison." 

[PADA: Right, once again you failed to listen to the tapes and / or read the transcripts that are now widely available all over the net. "I did not hear the tree fall in the forest," that does not mean there was no sound when the tree fell? 

You ALSO, apparently at least, did not hear that a person IS DESTINED for the lowest, most obnoxious places in the universe if he becomes a charlatan guru, as is stated in the Sri Isopanisad? You and your cohorts totally ignored this and many thousands of similar prohibitions, because you did not read, did not hear, did not care, or whatever it is. "Destined" means one is destined to go there, it cannot be changed, its destiny. Its not our call, its the verdict of shastra, destined means -- one will go there, its destined. Either we believe that or not.]

HD: He did say after the Makaradwaja Ayur Vedic medicine was given to him, and it reacted unfavorably, or too strongly - "It (the Makaradwaja medicine) is acting like poison". When Tamal Krishna then asked if
Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, Prabhupada replied, "No ! It is not that I am being poisoned, but the medicine is acting like poison". I can only tell you what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears.... I don't say what other have said.... I don't speculate, and I don't believe Pabhupada was poisoned deliberately and knowingly by any devotee. 

[PADA: OK so when someone says "the poison is going down" that does not indicate a deliberate action? What is it then? There is a Ravana in my room, Ravana will kill, ... there is no Ravana? This was a bad dream? Nanda Kumar says there was a big demon in Srila Prabhupada's room, and he would either have to kill that demon, or kill himself, or leave, he chose to leave. Are all these various testimony, including from the kavirajas who think there was poison present, a fantasy dream?]

HD: Since I don't know Hindi or Bengali, I would not know if Prabhupada made any other statement in regards to poison so I can't comment on that. 

[PADA: OK that is why you have to study the hindi, which we had translated. You are way behind these issues, even Narayana Maharaja finally listened to the tapes and he said, Srila Prabhupada was given poison intentionally. Even slower turtles like him woke up and agreed, you are one of the few foot draggers left.]

HD: I personally do not believe Prabhupada was poisoned deliberately by Tamal Krsna or any other devotee. What I do think could possibly have happened is that, Adikesava swami, (his father supposedly was in the CIA ) who was sent to pick up Makaradwaja medicine from Delhi, from one Brahmacari das,
(not sure if this is his name). This person was a political wanna be in the circle of Indira Gandhi, later on he was imprisoned for some kind of fraud, and possibly before this incident also. So, I think it is possible that
Adikeseva Swami collected this medicine from this man's hand, and brought it to Vrindaban, the medicine was defective, or someone deliberately (political circle ??) added poison. 

[PADA: This also fails to explain the various whispers in the room discussing intentional poisoning?]

HD: VNN published an article on their site years ago, if you go to the Archives it may still be there, I came across it last year, or the year before by going to VNN Archives, it is written by Kavicandra Swami - I think, I could be wrong, but I specifically remember he was situated in Japan, an old Radha Damodar bus devotee. This document is very important, and struck me as the most plausible explanation of what might have happened. 

[PADA: Kavicandra is Tamal's clone, why are these people always our authority?] 

HD: Years ago I came across a book written by a Swedish professor, he gave scientific evidence of how Napoleon was poisoned by one french member of his staff on Devil's Island. Arsenic was injected into
bottles of Napoleon's favorite wine, through the cork, his conclusive scientific evidence shows that, by testing the hair of Napoleon it can be determined to the day, each time arsenic was administered, by coroberating
with the diary of his staff who would note any changes in health and other notable happenings. 

So if you ( Prabhupadanugas ) are serious this is the way to scientifically establish how, and when and maybe who and why. But it is very late in the game, I don't know if any hair remains from that time.

[PADA: A hair was analyzed and it did contain arsenic, where have you been Hansadutta? This is all old news for the rest of us. You are too isolated, and thus always a day late and a dollar short.]

HD: Back to my main point every fool, speculator, without actual facts and authority from Prabhupada, is jumping on the stage blurting out half truths, no truths, or fanatical sentiments and knots in the heart, the
result is endless speculation, but most of all INACTION.... no one has, in all these years, done anything to legally establish that Prabhupada was poisoned. If it is not established in acourt of law, then it is just rumors, speculation, conspiracy ... nothing, it's nothing. 

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, that is "nothing"? That's the whole problem right there, all kinds of tragic things are going on in and around your guru circle, and its always "nothing." As Sridhara Maharaja said, you leaders are like oblivious army tanks driving over you own troops.]

HD: Devotees are simply making themselves look foolish by not doing things completely and in the standard way. Anyway, I sent you a note forwarded from Das to you. I got into modifying it and adding, this is the result. Your humble servant, Hansadutta das

[PADA: Thats another problem, legal issues take a lot of money, we have none. We take the words of our guru as the standard way, we do not need your "high court decision." ys pd]