Thursday, March 26, 2015

Prostitution in Vrndavana?

PADA: Ladies are apparently doing this to finance their travel and stay in the holy dham. If this is the case, we would say the GBC is wasting money on other programs, like suing us, instead of helping their flock. Allegations of this problem have been going on for at least a decade. With incurable TB, STDs, and other problems going on, this also sounds like a serious potential health crisis for the participants. If this is a factual problem, we are not faulting the poor ladies, they would be victims. Of course this begs the question, why would some people be going to the holy dham to have sex? ys pd

Rama Navami Festival Details

Wednesday, March 25, 2015

ISKCON-spiracy The Movie

[PADA: Always comes back to the same inner core of PADA's issues that we stated all along: Bogus guru appointment; Mistreatment of devotees -- especially women and children; Changing the books; Poison issue. There are other issues, but these are the main ones.

Its the same old, same old, same old problems -- that we pointed out all along. The good news is, more and more people are agreeing with PADA's view of these issues, and they are presenting these problems as the main issues. The solution is self-evident, we need to jettison the party that is causing all these problems and re-form into a new and better movement. ys pd]

SCI-FI Mahabharata Art

Problems with Narayana Maharaja Camp

LW: “At this present time the ”Back to Bhakti” website has shut down with the message that reads….”ALL POSTS SUSPENDED UNTIL HARMONY IS RESTORED” Don’t they know that HDG Srila AC Bhaktivedantata Swami Prabhupada is the ONLY successor of HDG Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada?”

No, I’m afraid they don’t think this way at all, Prabhu. I know an old friend from my home town who took up Krsna consciousness about 30 years ago. Recently he went to a Narayana Swami meeting and became a convert. Since then he has been going on and on about how everyone must go through Narayana Swami -- even Prabhupada disciples.

He now “preaches” that Srila Prabhupada came to introduce the ABC’s of spiritual life to the meat-eaters, but Narayana Swami has come to teach the “higher” rasas. He also believes that N. Swami is the successor to Prabhupada, i.e. the next in line in the parampara. 

According to my old friend, N. Swami said that once he accepts you as a disciple, he “kicks out Supersoul” and resides in the disciple’s heart. (This is his favorite quote from N. Swami.) Now my friend only likes to speak about Radha and the gopis and finding our “siddha-deha,” “siddha-pranali,” etc. However, Srila Prabhupada has clearly condemned this mentality:

Prabhupada: In this sahajiya party, then preaching will be finished. Siddha-pranali. Then everything will be finished. Preaching will be finished.
Tamala Krsna: What does that mean, Srila Prabhupada, siddha-pranali?
Prabhupada: Siddha-pranali is nonsense. They have manufactured a siddha-pranali.
Ramesvara: [break] …the initiation that you are given your siddhas, your eternal position.
Prabhupada: They have learned it from these Radha-kunda babajis.
Tamala Krsna: From Radha-kunda babajis?
Prabhupada: Babajis, yes. After all, they’re fool, rascals, so whatever they say. Let them say all nonsense. They are disqualified. Sahajiya babajis, that’s all….
Hari-sauri: I always understood before that the rasa was fixed, but that within that rasa one may take different…, one may take a different line.
Prabhupada: That will be revealed when you are liberated. Why you are bothering now? A patient is thinking, “How shall I dance when I become healthy?” First of all, rascal, become healthy, then talk of all this. The rascals are thinking like that. You are patient; first of all cure your disease, material disease. Then talk of all this. Utopian….

(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, 6-7-76, LA)

Funny thing too is that my old friend has gone back to smoking ganja yet he is now talking about Radharani and the gopis and how Srila Prabhupada’s teaching are only for neophytes. Satsvarupa, Tamal Krsna, Giriraj, Sivarama and many other so-called ISKCON “swamis” and “leaders” were taking such “higher instruction” from N. Swami at one time.

While talking to this fellow, I once called his guru “Narayana Maharaj” and he got very angry with me saying that I must address his guru as “Srila” Narayana Maharaj, otherwise I’m committing a grave offense. There’s no reasoning with this fellow at all and so there’s no common ground for a friendship any more. So it’s no wonder to me that they can find no harmony within their organization since they openly denigrate Srila Prabhupada as if he is some kind of second-rate neophyte. Total madness!

[PADA: Right, this problem is in part our own doing. For example, we have all sorts of people fighting with PADA and / or among the so-called ritviks, and one of the results is -- that a sector of folks are drifting off into various other camps and programs like Mother Amma, Hinduism, Narayana Maharaja, the Gaudiya Matha, Christianity, anti-Vaishnavism and etc. The GBC in fact spawned its own competition, and some of the so-called Prabhupadanugas are doing a similar thing. 

For example some "Prabhupadanugas" recently bragged to our associates that they "stopped two people from going to Bangalore." Right, and then these people went off to the Narayana Maharaja camp. So these so-called Prabhupadanugas are de facto -- recruiting for NM's program. Great job guys! 

This simply begs the question, are these people doing this on purpose to hurt the Prabhupada program, not unlike how the GBC's program us hurting Prabhupada's program on purpose? In any case, we just have to soldier on and do the best we can with whatever we have. ys pd]   

Tuesday, March 24, 2015

Krishna Balarama Swami Update

Yes, my lotus padas are all you need to go back to God.

PADA: Krishna Balarama swami has recently said that ALL the GBC's gurus and ALL their followers are going to hell -- and so forth, and now he has made another paper to that effect (see below). Is he trying to "out do" PADA's rhetoric? What about the time he was working with the GBC's gurus before he left their program?

Its a little amazing to PADA that followers of Krishna Balaram swami have often criticized PADA over the years for "being too heavy" and then -- they ended up saying the very same things we said, except that they are WAY heavier than what we usually write. Apparently, at some point a little light bulb goes off and these people start saying, heck yes, PADA is right, these GBC's gurus are bogus!

Hee hee, and that is why they say -- "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." KB swami is just imitating us, and saying what we said all along, that's all. He has surrendered to our idea, that the GBC's are not authorized acharyas, and he is starting to make this more clear in public writings, which is what we did ages ago. Good, but a little late.

Folks like KB swami are just imitations of what we were PUBLICLY complaining about decades before they even got started in making a public protest process. Nowadays, most of these people, including many Gaudiya Matha folks, are trying to re-write history by saying "we were complaining (just like PADA was doing) the whole time." Really? Fine except, no one else ever heard about your public protest complaints until recently?

Sorry, KB swami, you were not protesting along with us, you were hanging out with the GBC's gurus and lecturing at their ceremonies, meanwhile saying our "ritvik" protesters are wrong. You were fighting against our expose process, ummm, no one should protest bogus acharyas until KB swami starts, then its ok?

Anyway, when PADA editor went to live at Berkeley temple in 1984, there was not one single other Prabhupadanuga living in the temple at the time, and Sulochana was still living in New Vrndavana. So we were sort of -- on our own -- fighting the GBC's guru's regime. We never heard about any so-called big time counter preaching against the GBC's gurus by folks like KB swami at the time.

And we certainly did not see any evidence of complaint documents that he was writing and distributing, as we were doing in Berkeley when we started to print initial copies of "Our Living Guru." Neither anyone else was using our "Prabhupadanuga" title on their documents like us, despite subsequently all kinds of people have ripped off our original title over the years as well, hee hee, Johnny come lately, ersatz imitations, that's all.

There are still some people such as various GBC folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Bhakta das and his HKC Jaipur / Prahlad das disciples / and Krishna Balarama swami's folks and so on and so forth saying "no one listens to PADA." Ok well that is what these same thinkers were saying in 1984. We said at the time that there is a criminal program going and these thinkers said -- no one should listen to us -- because who cares about these crimes and etc. In other words, lets help the criminals stay in the seats of power and allow the criminality program to spread -- as it did. How has that worked out for these thinkers?

In sum, no one should listen to us, and that would mean, the GBC's bogus guru program wins by default. Meanwhile, we cannot understand what difference does it make if: -- "Many" people listen to us; Or only one person listens to us, or if  NOT even one person listens to us -- when we say deviants are not acharyas? Does that change the factual siddhanta?

What has happened over time is that many of these folks have gradually been beaten down and forced to agree that we are correct, -- that these GBC gurus are bogus, because -- well, we exposed them so badly over the years, hee hee! Does Krishna agree that bogus people are His guru successors? Who cares if many, one, or no one agrees with this or not? Its totally irrelevant. because Krishna Himself does not agree that bogus people are His guru successors, thus it does not matter "how many" people disagree with Krishna -- and agree with us and Krishna.

Anyway our critics are somewhat right, various PADA readers, various FBI folks, scholars, police and news media people etc. have interviewed us over the years, and one of the first things they almost always ask us is, "Why aren't more people listening to you"?

The self-evident answer is, our opponents are compromised with the bogus guru's program. So the people who have been gloating that "no one has been listening to PADA" simply means, they have self - made themselves look like blind fools, ignorant jack-asses, and compromisers with criminality, to the public, the police, the FBI, the media etc. by covering up all these crimes and wrong doings and ignoring our attempts to contain these issues. Sulochana said our opponents are "mindless zombies." In sum, "not listening" to us made the crimes grow exponentially, that's all.

Anyway! Since we are saying that the acharya has to be a pure devotee, there is nothing further to argue here. That is simply an eternal fact of existence, its the absolute truth, it really doesn't matter "how many" accept the absolute truth. The sky is blue, the sun is yellow, does it really matter "who" or "how many" accept and who does not? This is silly.

Meanwhile, these same various GBC folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Bhakta das disciples like HKC Jaipur folks / Prahlad das / and Krishna Balarama swami folks are now all of a sudden saying -- oh really, we never supported the GBC's gurus either, we were ALWAYS agreeing with PADA the whole time, that these GBC gurus are bogus! Sheesh! Fine except, no one heard about you guys while we complained about the GBC gurus for years without ANY support from ANY of you folks. Of course folks like Bhakta and his disciples are still promoting the GBC's guru process.

This is a little interesting, on the one hand, PADA is a some sort of lone wolf in the darkness that no one cares for, except, on the other hand -- every other day another person says, "Oh no, we always agreed with the PADA's idea the whole time -- that the GBC gurus are bogus." What! You were with PADA the whole time! Fine except, we just did not hear your protest or see your documents being distributed? Hee hee! Yep, Johnny come lately's who say that they were among the first wave of protesters, fine except, we find no evidence of their written documents of protest, especially at the time me and Sulochana were protesting?        

If Krishna Balarama swami was protesting in the early 1980s as he now claims he was, where are the protest papers he was circulating around ISKCON? The main written protesting at the start was PADA and later we were joined by Sulochana, everyone else pretty much came afterwards, and they just copied and pasted the same quotes and arguments we used.
Then again another problem we had all along was that various GBC folks /  various Gaudiya Matha folks / various KB Swami folks / and of course Bhakta das and his HKC Jaipur  / Prahlad das disciples said for years that we were "potty mouth protesters." Seriously? Saying that the worship of illicit sex is bogus "potty mouth"? Heh heh heh. Amazing. So, when we told some of our karmi friends that we are getting criticized by some folks for our objecting to the worship of illicit sex -- where are critics are saying we are "potty mouth" -- they said "You mean the gay atheist drama queen opera singers club members are the only ones against you"? Hee hee!

The other problem is that when some people finally agree with us the GBC's gurus are bogus, then they trend to spawn their own self-made guru-ship programs, such as the 1986 guru reformers like Trivrikrama and Prithu, and then again Tripurari swami, Gaura Govinda swami, Gaurahari das, Krishna Balarama swami and so on. OK, does this not mean, the real reason they finally went against the GBC gurus was, so they could self appoint themselves as another wave of independent maverick gurus (just like the GBC was doing), and grab a piece of the stolen booty?

In any case we do not believe Krishna Balarama swami is the next messiah, rather he is simply the next messiah wanna be. Srila Prabhupada is very emphatic on this issue, he says anyone who wants to be the master will glide down to hell. We are not supposed to pose ourselves as masters but as servants. Now KB swami says he is greater than us because he has a brahmana birth, and we can never understand anything because we once had hamburgers in our bodies, really, smarta brahmana-ism and anti-mleccha-ism is not going to fly very far. Period.

Of course we have to agree, even KB swami is getting some people to chant, and that is good, but so are the GBC's gurus? Sorry we have to do more than chant, we need to study the siddhanta.

ys pd  



Not only do those who accept worship from others without authorization fall into hell, but those who knowingly support such pretenders also get punished. As it is stated in the Kausika Samhita:

danam grhnati yah sudro mahatyam api capadi
yasca tasmai sampradadyat tav ubhau narakau dhruvam

"If Sudras (low class people), even if they have become spiritualists, accept charity, even in difficult times, they surely glide down to hell, and those who donate to them accompany them there."

Because such deceitful situations commonly occur in Kaliyuga, no one can be peaceful in this world. Those who are innocent and seeking peace will be misled by the hypocrites. Saintly people feel compassion at this situation, as did Yudhisthira Maharaja five thousand years ago. Even though Kaliyuga's influence was not in full bloom because of the boon given by Kali to Yudhisthira, even its minimal influence caused Yudhisthira Maharaja to feel saddened. Srila Suta Goswami spoke to the sages of Naimisaranya forest thus:

yudhisthiras tat pari-sarpanam budhah
pure ca rastre ca grhe tathatmani
vibhavya lobhanrta-jihma-himsnady
adharma-cakram gamanaya paryadhat
(Srimad Bhagavatam 1.15.37)

"Yudhisthira Maharaja saw that the influence of Kaliyuga had pervaded his entire kingdom, infiltrating its cities, homes, and individual people. He noticed everyone leaning towards greed, lies, diplomacy, violence, envy, and irreligious principles. Therefore, he prepared himself to resign from royal life and departed from his kingdom to adopt the renounced order of life, dressed accordingly."

In the Canakya Niti (3.10) it is stated, atmarthe prthivim tyaje, "It is proper to renounce the whole kingdom to save one's self." When I saw that an irreversible amount of Kaliyuga's influence had overtaken the mission I had joined, I followed the same principle that Yudhisthira followed 5000 years ago. I left and established Bhagavat Dharma Samaj, adopting, as Yudhisthira had, the pure life of renunciation. Yudhisthira persevered until he saw Kaliyuga's strong influence on his kingdom. Similarly, we carried on until its effect was intolerable.

[HDG Mahamandaleshwar Mahant Krishna Balaram Swami, My Mission]

Not too merciful to the self appointed "Krishna successors"?

Another Deity Theft in Vrndavana

Appearance of Ramanujacarya (March 24th)

 Therefore, sanātana-dharma does not refer to any sectarian process of religion. It is the eternal function of the eternal living entities in relationship with the eternal Supreme Lord. Sanātana-dharma refers, as stated previously, to the eternal occupation of the living entity. Rāmānujācārya has explained the word sanātana as "that which has neither beginning nor end," so when we speak of sanātana-dharma, we must take it for granted on the authority of Śrī Rāmānujācārya that it has neither beginning nor end.

The English word "religion" is a little different from sanātana-dharma. Religion conveys the idea of faith, and faith may change. One may have faith in a particular process, and he may change this faith and adopt another, but sanātana-dharma refers to that activity which cannot be changed. For instance, liquidity cannot be taken from water, nor can heat be taken from fire. Similarly, the eternal function of the eternal living entity cannot be taken from the living entity.

Sanātana-dharma is eternally integral with the living entity. When we speak of sanātana-dharma, therefore, we must take it for granted on the authority of Śrī Rāmānujācārya that it has neither beginning nor end. That which has neither end nor beginning must not be sectarian, for it cannot be limited by any boundaries. Yet those belonging to some sectarian faith will wrongly consider that sanātana-dharma is also sectarian, but if we go deeply into the matter and consider it in the light of modern science, it is possible for us to see that sanātana-dharma is the business of all the people of the world-nay, of all the living entities of the universe.Bhagavad-gita As It Is - Macmillan 1972 Edition : Bg: introduction

The Gītā answers this question very frankly. Those really learned leaders of society like Brahmā, Śiva, Kapila, the Kumāras, Manu, Vyāsa, Devala, Asita, Janaka, Prahlāda, Bali, and later on Madhvācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Śrī Caitanya and many others-who are faithful philosophers, politicians, educators, scientists, etc.-surrender to the lotus feet of the Supreme Person, the all-powerful authority  Books : Bhagavad-gita As It Is - Macmillan 1972 Edition : Bg 7: Knowledge of the Absolute : Bg 7.15 : PURPORT

Those who are worshipers of demigods have been described as less intelligent persons, and here the impersonalists are similarly described. Lord Kṛṣṇa in His personal form is here speaking before Arjuna, and still, due to ignorance, impersonalists argue that the Supreme Lord ultimately has no form. Yāmunācārya, a great devotee of the Lord in the disciplic succession from Rāmānujācārya, has written two very appropriate verses in this connection.

He says, "My dear Lord, devotees like Vyāsadeva and Nārada know You to be the Personality of Godhead. By understanding different Vedic literatures, one can come to know Your characteristics, Your form and Your activities, and one can thus understand that You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But those who are in the modes of passion and ignorance, the demons, the nondevotees, cannot understand You. They are unable to understand You. However expert such nondevotees may be in discussing Vedānta and the Upaniṣads and other Vedic literatures, it is not possible for them to understand the Personality of Godhead."  Books : Bhagavad-gita As It Is - Macmillan 1972 Edition : Bg 7: Knowledge of the Absolute : Bg 7.24 : PURPORT

The statements of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam are accepted by great ācāryas like Śrīdhara Svāmī, Rāmānujācārya and Vallabhācārya. Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu specifically accepts Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam as the spotless Vedic authority, and as such no sane man can ignore the statements of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam when it is spoken by the self-realized soul Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī, who follows in the footsteps of his great father, Śrīla Vyāsadeva, the compiler of all Vedic literatures  Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 2: "The Cosmic Manifestation" : SB 2.2: The Lord in the Heart : SB 2.2.26 : PURPORT

The Vedas, however, are not written by any living creature within this material world. Therefore they are said to be apauruṣeya. No one can trace out the history of the Vedas. Of course, modern human civilization has no chronological history of the world or the universe, and it cannot present actual historical facts older than three thousand years. But no one has traced out when the Vedas were written, because they were never written by any living being within this material world.

All other systems of knowledge are defective because they have been written or spoken by men or demigods who are products of this material creation, but Bhagavad-gītā is apauruṣeya, for it was not spoken by any human being or any demigod of this material creation; it was spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa, who is beyond the material creation. That is accepted by such stalwart scholars as Śaṅkarācārya, not to speak of other ācāryas such as Rāmānujācārya and Madhvācārya. Śaṅkarācārya has accepted that Nārāyaṇa and Kṛṣṇa are transcendental, and in Bhagavad-gītā also Lord Kṛṣṇa has established, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate: [Bg. 10.8] “I am the origin of everything; everything emanates from Me.”

This material creation, including Brahmā and Śiva and all the demigods, has been created by Him, for everything has emanated from Him. He also says that the purpose of all the Vedas is to understand Him (vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15]). He is the original veda-vit, or knower of the Vedas, and vedānta-kṛt, or compiler of Vedānta. Brahmā is not the compiler of the Vedas  Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.2: Daksa Curses Lord Siva : SB 4.2.31 : PURPORT

The question may be raised that since the Lord is supposed to be worshiped by great demigods like Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva and others, how can an ordinary human being on this planet serve Him? This is clearly explained by Pṛthu Mahārāja by the use of the word yathādhikāra, “according to one’s ability.” If one sincerely executes his occupational duty, that will be sufficient. One does not need to become like Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva, Indra, Lord Caitanya or Rāmānujācārya, whose capabilities are certainly far above ours. Even a śūdra, who is in the lowest stage of life according to the material qualities, can achieve the same success.

Anyone can become successful in devotional service provided he displays no duplicity. It is explained here that one must be very frank and open-minded (amāyinaḥ). To be situated in a lower status of life is not a disqualification for success in devotional service. The only qualification is that whether one is a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra, he must be open, frank and free from reservations. Then, by performing his particular occupational duty under the guidance of a proper spiritual master, he can achieve the highest success in life. As confirmed by the Lord Himself, striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās te ’pi yānti parāṁ gatim (Bg. 9.32).

It does not matter what one is, whether a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra or a degraded woman. If one engages himself seriously in devotional service, working with body, mind and intelligence, he is sure to be successful in going back home, back to Godhead. The Lord’s lotus feet are described here as kāma-dughāṅghri-paṅkajam because they have all power to fulfill the desires of everyone   Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.21: Instructions by Maharaja Prthu : SB-4.21.33 : PURPORT

In this verse the word tīrtha-pādīya indicates devotees of Lord Viṣṇu, or Vaiṣṇavas. As far as brāhmaṇas are concerned, in the previous verse the mode of reception has been already described. Now, in this verse, special stress is being given to the Vaiṣṇavas. Generally the sannyāsīs, or those in the renounced order of life, take trouble to enlighten the householders. There are ekadaṇḍī sannyāsīs and tridaṇḍī sannyāsīs. The ekadaṇḍī sannyāsīs are generally followers of Śaṅkarācārya and are known as Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, whereas the tridaṇḍī sannyāsīs are followers of Vaiṣṇava ācāryas—Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya and so on—and they take trouble to enlighten the householders. Ekadaṇḍī sannyāsīs can be situated on the platform of pure Brahman because they are aware that the spirit soul is different from the body, but they are mainly impersonalists.

The Vaiṣṇavas know that the Absolute Truth is the Supreme Person and that the Brahman effulgence is based on the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā (14.27): brahmaṇo hi pratiṣṭhāham. The conclusion is that tīrtha-pādīya refers to Vaiṣṇavas. In the Bhāgavatam (1.13.10) there is also another reference: tīrthī-kurvanti tīrthāni. Wherever he goes, a Vaiṣṇava immediately makes that place a tīrtha, a place of pilgrimage. The Vaiṣṇava sannyāsīs travel all over the world to make every place a place of pilgrimage by the touch of their lotus feet. It is mentioned here that any house which does not receive a Vaiṣṇava in the manner already explained in the previous verse is to be considered the residential quarters of venomous serpents. It is said that around the sandalwood tree, which is a very valuable tree, there is a venomous serpent. Sandalwood is very cold, and venomous serpents, because of their poisonous teeth, are always very warm, and they take shelter of the sandalwood trees to become cooler Books : Srimad-Bhagavatam : Canto 4: "The Creation of the Fourth Order" : SB 4.22: Prthu Maharaja's Meeting with the Four Kumaras : SB 4.22.11 :

PURPORT Śrīpāda Rāmānujācārya has also refuted the arguments of Śaṅkara in his own commentary on the Vedānta-sūtra, which is known as the Śrī-bhāṣya: "Śrīpāda Śaṅkarācārya has tried to equate the Pañcarātras with the philosophy of the atheist Kapila, and thus he has tried to prove that the Pañcarātras contradict the Vedic injunctions. The Pañcarātras state that the personality of jīva called Saṅkarṣaṇa has emerged from Vāsudeva, the supreme cause of all causes, that Pradyumna, the mind, has come from Saṅkarṣaṇa, and that Aniruddha, the ego, has come from Pradyumna. But one cannot say that the living entity (jīva) takes birth or is created, for such a statement is against the injunction of the Vedas. As stated in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad (2.18), living entities, as individual spiritual souls, can have neither birth nor death. All Vedic literature declares that the living entities are eternal. Therefore when it is said that Saṅkarṣaṇa is jīva, this indicates that He is the predominating Deity of the living entities. Similarly, Pradyumna is the predominating Deity of the mind, and Aniruddha is the predominating Deity of the ego.

"It has been said that Pradyumna, the mind, was produced from Saṅkarṣaṇa. But if Saṅkarṣaṇa were a living entity, this could not be accepted, because a living entity cannot be the cause of the mind. The Vedic injunctions state that everything-including life, mind and the senses-comes from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is impossible for the mind to be produced by a living entity, for the Vedas state that everything comes from the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Lord.

"Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha have all the potent features of the absolute Personality of Godhead, according to the revealed scriptures, which contain undeniable facts that no one can refute. Therefore these quadruple forms are never to be considered ordinary living beings. Each of Them is a plenary expansion of the Absolute Godhead, and thus each is identical with the Supreme Lord in knowledge, opulence, energy, influence, prowess and potencies. The evidence of Pañcarātra cannot be neglected. Only untrained persons who have not genuinely studied the Pañcarātras think that the Pañcarātras contradict the śrutis regarding the birth or beginning of the living entity.

In this connection, we must accept the verdict of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which says: 'The absolute Personality of Godhead, who is known as Vāsudeva and who is very affectionate toward His surrendered devotees, expands Himself in quadruple forms who are subordinate to Him and at the same time identical with Him in all respects.' The Pauṣkara-saṁhitā states: 'The scriptures that recommend that brāhmaṇas worship the quadruple forms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are called āgamas [authorized works of Vedic literature].' In all Vaiṣṇava literature it is said that worshiping these quadruple forms is as good as worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead Vāsudeva, who in His different expansions, complete in six opulences, can accept offerings from His devotees of the results of their prescribed duties.

Worshiping the expansions for pastimes, such as Nṛsiṁha, Rāma, Śeṣa and Kūrma, promotes one to the worship of the Saṅkarṣaṇa quadruple. From that position one is raised to the platform of worshiping Vāsudeva, the Supreme Brahman. In the Pauṣkara-saṁhitā it is said: 'If one fully worships according to the regulative principles, one can attain the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva.' It is to be accepted that Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha are as good as Lord Vāsudeva, for They all have inconceivable power and can accept transcendental forms like Vāsudeva. Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha are never born, but They can manifest Themselves in various incarnations before the eyes of pure devotees. This is the conclusion of all Vedic literature.

That the Lord can manifest Himself before His devotees by His inconceivable power is not against the teaching of the Pañcarātra. Since Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha are actually the predominating Deities of all living entities, the total mind and the total ego, the descriptions of Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha as jīva, mind and ego are never contradictory to the statements of the scriptures. These names identify these Deities, just as the terms 'sky' and 'light' sometimes identify the Absolute Brahman.

"The scriptures completely deny the birth or production of the living entity. In the Parama-saṁhitā it is described that material nature, which is used for others' purposes, is factually inert and always subject to transformation. The field of material nature is the arena of the activities of fruitive actors, and since the material field is externally related with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is also eternal. In every saṁhitā, the jīva (living entity) has been accepted as eternal, and in the Pañcarātra the birth of the jīva is completely denied. Anything that is produced must also be annihilated.

Therefore if we accept the birth of the living entity, we also have to accept his annihilation. But since the Vedic literature says that the living entity is eternal, one should not think the living being to be produced at a certain time. In the beginning of the Parama-saṁhitā it is definitely stated that the face of material nature is constantly changeable. Therefore 'beginning,' 'annihilation' and all such terms are applicable only in the material nature.

"Considering all these points, one should understand that Śaṅkarācārya's statement that Saṅkarṣaṇa is born as a jīva is completely against the Vedic statements. His assertions are completely refuted by the above arguments. In this connection the commentary of Śrīdhara Svāmī on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (3.1.34) is very helpful.

"For a detailed refutation of Śaṅkarācārya's arguments to prove Saṅkarṣaṇa an ordinary living being, one may refer to Śrīmat Sudarśanācārya's commentary on Śrī-bhāṣya, which is known as the Śruta-prakāśikā

The original quadruple forms Kṛṣṇa, Baladeva, Pradyumna and Aniruddha expand into another quadruple, which is present in the Vaikuṇṭha planets of the spiritual sky. Therefore the quadruple forms in the spiritual sky are the second manifestation of the original quadruple in Dvārakā. As explained above, Vāsudeva, Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha are all changeless, transcendental plenary expansions of the Supreme Lord who have no relation to the material modes. The Saṅkarṣaṇa form in the second quadruple is not only a representation of Balarāma but also the original cause of the Causal Ocean, where Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu lies asleep, breathing out the seeds of innumerable universes.

In the spiritual sky there is a spiritual creative energy technically called śuddha-sattva, which is a pure spiritual energy that sustains all the Vaikuṇṭha planets with the full opulences of knowledge, wealth, prowess, etc. All these actions of śuddha-sattva display the potencies of Mahā-saṅkarṣaṇa, who is the ultimate reservoir of all individual living entities who are suffering in the material world. When the cosmic creation is annihilated, the living entities, who are indestructible by nature, rest in the body of Mahā-saṅkarṣaṇa. Saṅkarṣaṇa is therefore sometimes called the total jīva. As spiritual sparks, the living entities have the tendency to be inactive in the association of material energy, just as sparks of a fire have the tendency to be extinguished as soon as they leave the fire. The spiritual nature of the living being can be rekindled, however, in association with the Supreme Being. Because the living being can appear either in matter or in spirit, the jīva is called the marginal potency.

Saṅkarṣaṇa is the origin of Kāraṇa Viṣṇu, who is the original form who creates the universes, and that Saṅkarṣaṇa is but a plenary expansion of Śrī Nityānanda RāmaBooks
: Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 5: The Glories of Lord Nityananda Balarama : Adi 5.41 :

The purpose of the discussions in the Upaniṣads and Vedānta-sūtra is to philosophically establish the personal feature of the Absolute Truth. The impersonalists, however, in order to establish their philosophy, accept these discussions in terms of lakṣaṇā-vṛtti, or indirect meanings. Thus instead of being tattva-vāda, or in search of the Absolute Truth, they become Māyāvāda, or illusioned by the material energy. When Śrī Viṣṇusvāmī, one of the four ācaryas of the Vaiṣṇava cult, presented his thesis on the subject matter of śuddhādvaita-vāda, immediately the Māyāvādīs took advantage of this philosophy and tried to establish their advaita-vāda or kevalādvaita-vāda.

To defeat this kevalādvaita-vāda, Śrī Rāmānujācārya presented his philosophy as viśiṣṭādvaita-vāda, and Śrī Madhvācārya presented his philosophy of tattva-vāda, both of which are stumbling blocks to the Māyāvādīs because they defeat their philosophy in scrupulous detail. Students of Vedic philosophy know very well how strongly Śrī Rāmānujācārya's viśiṣṭādvaita-vāda and Śrī Madhvācārya's tattva-vāda contest the impersonal Māyāvāda philosophy. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, however, accepted the direct meaning of the Vedānta philosophy and thus defeated the Māyāvāda philosophy immediately. He opined in this connection that anyone who follows the principles of the Śārīraka-bhāṣya is doomed  Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 7: Lord Caitanya in Five Features : Adi 7.110 : PURPORT

This verse indicates that oṁkāra, or praṇava, is a direct representation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore if at the time of death one simply remembers oṁkāra, he remembers the Supreme Personality of Godhead and is therefore immediately transferred to the spiritual world. Oṁkāra is the basic principle of all Vedic mantras, for it is a representation of Lord Kṛṣṇa, understanding of whom is the ultimate goal of the Vedas, as stated in the Bhagavad-gītā (vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ).

Māyāvādī philosophers cannot understand these simple facts explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, and yet they are very proud of being Vedāntīs. Sometimes, therefore, we refer to the Vedāntī philosophers as Vidantīs, those who have no teeth (vi means "without," and dantī means "possessing teeth"). The statements of the Śaṅkara philosophy, which are the teeth of the Māyāvādī philosopher, are always broken by the strong arguments of Vaiṣṇava philosophers such as the great ācāryas, especially Rāmānujācārya. Śrīpāda Rāmānujācārya and Madhvācārya break the teeth of the Māyāvādī philosophers, who can therefore be called Vidantīs, "toothless.

"Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 7: Lord Caitanya in Five Features : Adi 7.128 : TRANSLATION

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Sri Krsna Caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita
Gadadhara Srivasa adi Gaura Bhakta Vrinda

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare hare

Sunday, March 22, 2015

PADA vs Akruranath (Adam R Bernstein)

NS: Let's hope Srila Prabhupadaji's Iskcon B'lore wins this property case ... from the never satisfying greedy Iskcon Mumbai ... who anyhow want this Iskcon because it generates good money ... and money can be spent well by unauthorized self made self declared gurus of Iskcon and get it transported to overseas.. loot through saffron... haha..truth is bitter...why the hell Iskcon Mumbai is running court to court to snatch Iskcon B'lore just because of money and only money .. rascal fraud gurus don't luv Krishna and Srila Prabhupada.. but hungry of more and more property and money....

[PADA: The current (and corrupt) ISKCON Governing Body (GBC) claims in their many diverse documents, lectures and etc. that their acharyas are often falling down and are prone to being debauchees, therefore its not "just about the money" -- its about changing the status of God's successors from "pure" to "illicit sex" and "debauchees." 

The current bogus GBC essentially wants to declare that Krishna's successors are often degraded low class individuals, so they can degrade Vedic authority and related guru lineage structure of the Krishna religion, and thereby ruin the good name of Krishna and ISKCON and so forth. This is what they have been doing all along since 1977. Its like declaring that the village drunk is the successor to the King, its an insult to the King, the country, the citizens etc. This is meant to destroy the authority of the King.]

DG: Yeah.. its all about money.  rather than preaching they are fighting for property.

PDA: Profit adoration and distinction and maintaining this attitude the properties which are Srila Prabhupada s are still functioning nicely for the purpose connecting the public with Lord Krishna .unfortunately so much money which has been given in charity has been squandered when it could of been used in Krishnas service.

AAD: Who is behind ISKCON Mumbai? Juhu Beach? Gopal Krsna? Pita Dasa can you fill me in please Prabhu. Do you know our Godbrother who took sannyas who we knew as Janardan das once with RDTSK who is in Bangalore?

PDA: Janardana Prabhu took sannyasa from HH Narayana Maharaja is is running a Gaudiya Matha center in Bangalore. What has occurred at Bangalore temple in my humble opinion is the misunderstanding of how to represent Srila Prabhupada without taking His Divine Grace out the center. It's a very long story which began over so many misunderstandings all the leaders in India are part. May they all cooperate.

Akruranatha Dasa What is basically going on is that "ISKCON Bangalore" actually broke out of ISKCON and does not accept the ecclesiastical authority of the GBC. Perhaps it is all really over money and control, but the ostensible dispute is about the so-called "ritvik" issue.

Madhu pandit et al. accuse the GBC of deviating from Srila Prabhupada's alleged instruction that he shall remain the only authorized guru in ISKCON (or in the whole world?) for the next 10,000 years or for the remainder of Kali yuga, and that none of his disciples could ever become bona fide gurus in disciplic succession. Rather, in their view, Srila Prabhupada continues to accept disciples after his departure and henceforward all devotees ought to accept initiation from him only, sort of the way Jesus is the sole intermediary between man and God in Protestant Christianity.

[PADA: Akruranatha's party even said Srila Prabhupada is their "writer for hire" in their BBTI court case. Srila Prabhupada is their paid servant. And now they apparently think that the GBC's gurus -- who are often caught engaged in illicit activity -- can be diksha gurus, and can act like Jesus and "absorb sins." How can debauchees absorb sins like Jesus? 

Various GBC followers have been telling PADA for years that their gurus are suffering from things like -- incurable migraine headaches, all sorts of sickness, moral scandals and fall downs and so forth -- all due to "accepting sins from their disciples." How did their gurus become "like Jesus" where they could absorb sins in the first place? 

Srila Prabhupada says we neophytes cannot even allow people to touch our feet or we will be acting as diksha gurus and accepting karma, and we will get sick, fall down, or both because we are not qualified to absorb the sins of others. Who authorized the GBC to declare that neophytes can absorb sins like Jesus? 

Yes, Jesus is the intermediary, for the Christians, whereas Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones and others are -- not! Anyway, here is the result of accepting sins without being qualified:]

Falling down, sick and /or dying -- from accepting sins?

Akruranatha Das: ISKCON's GBC has reviewed the much-debated argument concerning guru succession for many years and has repeatedly declared it to be a heresy, not supported by scriptures, prior acaryas, or Srila Prabhupada's books and lectures, which always emphasized the traditional "parampara" system in which successive generations of disciples become gurus for the next generation in an unbroken chain (see, e.g., Bhagavad-gita 4.1-3)

[PADA: The GBC says their gurus -- who are falling into illicit sex, drugs and so forth, are part of the "traditional" and "unbroken" chain of gurus. Where is "the tradition" of worship of illicit sex gurus mentioned in the Vedas? Where is this tradition found? 

This is amazing, the unbroken chain from God starts out with God, and its pure from hundreds of trillion years ago until the year 1977, and then God's chain of succession all of a sudden contains illicit sex, drugs, and criminals after 1977. How did that happen? Basically this means Akruranath's program is saying God is Himself a deviant because His successors are deviants, which is worse than atheism. 

At least the atheists are not insulting God by saying debauchees are His successors? The atheists, to their great credit, are fairly neutral towards God, whereas Akruranath's program is attacking God by saying His successors are degraded fools. In any case, there is no "tradition" of saying God's successors are often debauchees and criminals, in the Krishna religion or any other bona fide religion.]

AD: Under the "ritvik" view, disciples of Srila Prabhupada may serve as officiating priests or "ritviks" in ceremonies at which Srila Prabhupada becomes the direct spiritual master of the new initiate, thus obviating any concern about whether the "ritvik" is an advanced devotee who can perform the functions of initiating spiritual master.

[PADA: Right, a priest does not absorb the sins of the flock, whereas various fools in the Akruranatha guru line think they are another Jesus, and that they can absorb sins like Jesus. Its not working! Many of them are getting sick and falling down, they are not qualified to absorb sins like Jesus. Of course this is simultaneously an attack by the Akruranatha party on Jesus, by comparing him to conditioned souls.]

Jesus can absorb sins -- and debauchees can ALSO absorb sins? Why does the Akruranath program promote the idea debauchees are Jesus-like?

AD: The argument did not originate with Madhu pandit but became popular in the late 1980s after a number of the original 11 "zonal acaryas" fell down.

[PADA: Here we go again, -- first of all the ISKCON GBC guru folks said their 11 are God's pure devotee successors and acharyas, and they are like Jesus because they are diksha gurus who are able to absorb sins like Jesus, but ooops, now they are falling down --- because they absorbed too many sins? That means you folks made a huge mistake when you said the 11 are acharyas who can absorb sins in the first instance. And now their whole platform is that acharyas make huge mistakes, and they are overwhelmed when they take sins?

For starters, acharyas are not falling down. How did the GBC make the mistake of appointing 11 false zonal acharyas if they are perfected acharyas themselves? What is a zonal acharya? Which previous gurus had zones? Why does the GBC still allocate zones to their acharyas, such as Jayapataka STILL has the zone of Mayapur? Every year the GBC STILL allocates zones for their acharyas, this process has never been removed.]

Akruranatha Das: However, Madhu pandit did not embrace that ideology until much later. During the whole time the Bangalore temple was built he was a loyal disciple of His Holiness Jayapataka Swami and the funds for building the temple were collected in the name of ISKCON.

[PADA: Right, while Jayapataka, was building his illicit sex messiah's regime which was banning, beating, molesting and killing devotees, and ruining the name of ISKCON in the process, it took some time for a lot of people to figure this out, although most did eventually. Agreed. How does that make the process of banning, beating, molesting and killing of vaishnavas authorized?]

AD: Actually, although Madhu pandit's group calls iself "ISKCON Bangalore", it has in fact seceeded from the system of management established by Srila Prabhupada, in which the Governing Body Commission (ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC)) is the ultimate managing authority (see, ) , and has in reality become a non-ISKCON organization, independent of and competing with ISKCON proper.

[PADA: ISKCON is where the pure devotee is being worshiped. Non-ISKCON is where the GBC forces people to worship their illicit sex acharyas. ISKCON is not a corporation, its a system of worship of the Supreme God and His gurus. Jesus says wherever people gather to worship him, he is present there. Similarly, wherever people gather to worship Srila Prabhupada, that is ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha was a fight over bricks and stones, it was not a siddhanta issue, it was a property grab in the name of siddhanta.]

Akruranatha Das: Because of the religious ideology surrounding their dispute over the guru system, however, many "ritvik" proponents (including those involved with Madhupandit das) consider themselves to be the "real" ISKCON, adopting the position that the GBC, by having rejected their theory that Srila Prabhupada is the only spiritual master, has become devoid of authority, giving moral justification to Madhupandit and his group to claim the right to govern ISKCON (or what they regard as the genuine ISKCON), in spite of Srila Prabhupada's clear grant of authority to the GBC.

[PADA: Where does Srila Prabhupada authorize the GBC to enforce the worship of their illicit sex fools as Krishna's successors and acharyas?]

Akruranatha Das: The legal dispute turns on which entity owns the Bangalore Property. The legal arrangement Srila Prabhupada made was that all branches of ISKCON in India were actually owned by a single corporation in Mumbai. All ISKCON temples all over India send accounts to the Mumbai management which publishes consolidated financial statements.

A previous dispute with another break away ISKCON temple in Kolkata, led by Adri Dharan Das, resulted in a victory for ISKCON and its GBC. The Kolkata ISKCON temple was thus restored to management by the mainstream ISKCON, legally under the ownership of ISKCON Mumbai, and ecclesiastically loyal to the GBC.

The High Court of Karnataka has found that when Madhu pandit started ISKCON Bangalore (while he was still loyal to ISKCON's GBC and his guru Jayapataka Swami), he formed an independent corporation, but upon realizing that the new temple was to be a branch of ISKCON Bombay he did not use that corporation and it remained inactive. However, the Court found that after he decided to break with ISKCON and become the leader of a rival organization, he backdated documents and appointed loyal confederates as co-signers to make it falsely appear that the Property had been owned by that independent corporation all along.

[PADA: The High Court of Karnataka has found that ISKCON Bombay's leadership has promoted criminal fraud in this case, and some of the biggest exponents of Jayapataka have been charged with criminal actions.] 

Akruranatha Das: It would be nice if the two groups could meet some kind of accord and devotees from all temples and organizations could be part of a single ISKCON. However, the religious schizm over the proper system of initiating new disciples has taken on heated tones and the "ritvik" groups often employ scathing, "poison pen" style rhetoric denouncing all spiritual masters and senior devotees in ISKCON in extremely inflammatory terms. In order to appeal to the local population, the Madhupandit group also appeals to xenophobic sentiments, criticizing ISKCON's leadership as being non-Indian and non-Hindu.

[PADA: Right, well the GBC uses "poison pens" against anyone who says they are not going to worship their illicit sex messiahs, which is how the GBC gets us dissenters banned, beaten and killed. Satsvarupa said we are poison pens, and that is in part how the GBC's program got Sulochana killed.] 

Akruranatha Das: For their part, the body of ISKCON members loyal to the GBC would look askance at the GBC's making of a compromise on fundamental philosophical principles regarding the meaning of disciplic succession. Unfortunately, therefore, it appears that no compromise settlement can be reached, and the case is headed for decision by the Supreme Court of India.

[PADA: Again, the disciple succession from God is not full of illicit sex, drugs and crimes, sorry to have to report this to Mr. Akruranath.]

Akruranath Das: Observers fear, however, that in the event the Supreme Court decides in favor of ISKCON Mumbai (i.e., the mainstream of ISKCON which remains loyal to the GBC), the religious ideologues who run the rival orgabnization will defy the decision and step up their propaganda campaign to discredit the GBC and the mainstream of ISKCON, and as a result the image and reputation of Srila Prabhupada's movement will be besmirched.

[PADA: Right, we will never worship illicit sex, period. Even dogs do not worship illicit sex.] 

ISKCON GBC. Official website of the Governing Body Commission (GBC) for the International Society for Krishna... GBC.ISKCON.ORG

PDA: If we attempt to sell pure unalloyed gold in the market but in fact is no where near the quality of pure there will always be friction . Srila Prabhupada never appointed any of his discilples as Guru (pure gold ) His Divine Grace appointed 11 ridviks Acarya transparent to the previous Acarya (His Divine Grace) wanted that the founder Acarya be always placed within the center of ISKCON and his representive ridvik Acaryas train the new persons coming into ISKCON. These representive Acaryas tho we're very careful that the new persons coming to ISKCON worshiped themselves at the same level or even more so that we previous showed our founder Acarya (5 day Vyas pujas ect ect ect ) giving 300 persons intiation at the same time (who will train ?) and these habit are still going on .
Without Madhupandit Prabhu ISKCON would not reform therefore Srila Prabhupada has blessed him with extraordinary Success.

AAD: Prabhupada told us many times that he gave us everything we need! He also said do NOT change a thing! Do NOT add or subtract! For many of us Prabhupada was not physically present for our initiations. Karandhar Prabhu who was LA New Dwarka Temple President officiated mine. One very important thing he told us "You essentially initiate yourself by chanting 16 rounds a day and following the 4 regs! This is a mere formality though a necessary one like signing an agreement."

Once I had the privilege of witnessing Srila Prabhupada do initiations in New Vrindavan. This must have been recorded as some of his others must have been too. I think the year was 1974. He stressed he was simply like the postman delivering the message. The postman is not pure but the message is. He was doing this on BEHALF of his Guru Maharaja. Then explained how the Parampara works using the mango tree analogy of getting the ripe one from the top of the tree by handing it down from person to person to the one on the ground! He often used the phrase for Guru as the "transparent via medium". In the last books of the CC he goes into depth describing Guru. So WHY is all this nonsense conjuring been going on & persists! Simply follow his instructions! He also told all his disciples to become Guru! Tell everyone to chant this Mahamantra!!! That is Harinam first initiation! What is the Problem!?!?

One last thought, Srila Prabhupada IS still with us!

Akruranatha Dasa: If you read Srila Prabhupada's books, you will see that a devotee is a servant of the servant. It is true that we should try to accept as our spiritual masters very advanced Vaisnavas on the uttama adhikari platform, but he also repeatedly said that his disciples would have their own disciples, who would be his grand-disciples.

[PADA: When they are qualified!]

Akruranatha Dasa: Of course, such disciples should be qualified, and the qualifications are there, that one has to control the six urges, know the conclusions of the Vedas, be fixed in transcendental realization, understand Lord Caitanya's order, Prabhupada's order, to become guru and liberate one's disciples. I do know devotees of that calibre among Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Here in Northern California Vaisesika Dasa is nicely nourishing and training his disciples, and should be given credit for it.

[PADA: Vaisesika is a great friend of Jayadvaita swami, who says gurus in ISKCON may be falling into illicit sex. Again, that means Vaisesika apparently endorses the GBC's illicit sex acharyas program. Whereas, any ten year old child anywhere in the USA knows that deviants are not, were not, could not have been God's successor gurus, while apparently none of these GBC leader folks can understand this point. Badrinrayan das also says -- as long as the GBC gurus keep falling -- they will never have any credibility. Well right, and they do keep falling ... thus there is no credibility.]   

Akruranatha das: To say that Srila Prabhupada, unlike Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur or Gaurakishore Das Babaji or Bhaktivinode Thakur or Narottama Das or any of the previous acaryas (or Lord Caitanya Himself), decided to be a kind of Jesus figure who would initiate devotees after his departure, would be ADDING something that he never wrote about in his books. Instead, he wrote consistently about how a bona fide devotee becomes the disciple and servant of another devotee.

[PADA: OK once again Akruranath implies that debauchees can absorb sins like Jesus? They cannot. Only Jesus or a person like Jesus can absorb the sins of others and act like a diksha guru. Worse, Akruranatha now says the illicit sex acharyas program is some sort of bona fide process. Its not. Serving illicit sex and drugs fools is called serving illusion, its not serving God whatsoever.]

Akruranath das: Yes, it is true that serving the vani is more important than the vapu, that Srila Prabhupada is still present in his books, and is the Founder-Acarya and supreme authority in ISKCON, i.e., that he has imparted his own mood, vision and mission (which as far as I can tell is identical with that f his own Guru Maharaja). But his vision is clearly that generation after generation of disciples will become gurus for the next generation. Service to vapu is also important!

[PADA: OK so you guys have created one generation of illicit sex acharyas, and now some of the second wave are having the same problems, so it seems you folks are saying you want to build a guru empire succession based on the idea that acharyas are in many examples -- debauchees? Where is it stated that we have to offer service and worship to a debauchee guru lineage, or to a group or party that promotes debauchee acharyas, to attain God?]

Akruranath das: Today I am reading Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5, as part of an online private discussion group. Prahlada Maharaja is saying that politics of "enemy" and "friend" is due to delusion. Srila Prabhupada says that pure Vaisnavas like Sri Prahlada, out of their natural humility, see everyone as "Master", understanding them to be one with Krishna although they are always His servants, His parts and parcels.

[PADA: OK however as soon as we said that acharyas are not engaged in illicit sex and drugs, the GBC declared thousands of us be the enemy and kicked us out EN MASSE. Then they started orchestrating beatings and murders of those of us who refused to promote their worship of illicit sex agenda.]

Akruranatha Das: In the Purport to 7.5.11, Srila Prabhupada says that this understanding of the master (ALL living beings are "master"!) begins with understanding of the spiritual master, how he is directly Hari although he is actually a confidential servant of Hari.

[PADA: OK except that your illicit sex gurus are confidential servants of maya and not Krishna.]

Akruranatha Das: The ritvik idea than "no one can be my master but Prabhupada" is antithetical to this principle. It is a neophyte conception. The disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are serving as gurus of the next generation of disciples are one with Srila Prabhupada, because they are serving on his order and are not adding or subtracting anything but teaching exactly what he taught.

[PADA: There is no "order" to make illicit sex gurus found anywhere?]

Akruranatha Das: Whereas those who have created a philosophy that the parampara or disciplic succession ends with Prabhupada are ADDING a concocted system of initiation unheard of in Gaudiya Visnavism, and rejected by all the sadhus such as senior Gaudiya Vaisnavas outside of ISKCON.

PDA: Did Madhva Ramanuya Sampariyas end after thier disappearence ? No....still presenting their teachings into the present age. There were so many deviations that GBC has thankfully presented parallel authorities paper their best action since Srila Prabhupada's Samadhi.

[PADA: Except that there is no such thing as an achaya who is parallel and subordinated to a GBC council. Badrinarayan recently said the acharyas are parallel (working under the control of) his GBC, That would make Badri one of the persons in charge of the acharyas by all his "guru legislation" to control their acharyas that the GBC has concocted. How did Badri become the master of the master? This would be like saying Jesus is under the control of the council of churches. No, Jesus is not parallel to the council, he is always above the council. And now the GBC votes in, votes out, suspends, removes, monitors, and controls the acharyas --- nope the acharyas control the GBC, they have the idea reversed.]   

Akruranatha Dasa As Srila Prabhuada stated: "All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, 'Here is the next leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader.... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect."

This is the actual, eternal philosophy.

[PADA: What? The GBC says their 11 are gurus and only those subsequently voted in by their 11 are gurus, they never said the legacy goes to ALL the disciples, they said only the 11 and their hand selected friends are gurus, not the whole 5,000 disciples? Nope! They banned, beat, molested and assassinated those among the 5,000 disciples group, and made a guru monopoly of their few elites. Anyway now Akruranath is saying the 5,000 are ALL gurus, ok so that means the GBC kicked out 5,000 gurus, who authorized them to kick out all these gurus, at least they are gurus according to Akruranath? Akruranath is contradicting himself, the legacy goes to all the 5,000 gurus, therefore, we kicked out most of the 5,000 and made only a few elites into gurus?]

Akruranatha Das: To say "Do not change anything" means one must teach exactly the science of Krishna as Srila Prabhupada learned from his guru and as his disciples have learned from him. To promote that"Srila Prabhupada is the only initiating guru for the next 10,000 years" is to change something. It is to teach something that Srila Prabhupada never taught. If that were really part of the science of Krishna consciousness, wouldn't Srila Prabhupada and the previous acryas and the scriptures have said so?

Svayam Rasesvari Shutler One question needs to be asked. Do you really think that Srila Prabhupada wanted the parampara to end with him? If so, find me one quote that says so. I can find so many that say the opposite.

[PADA: The real question is, why is the GBC saying that acharyas are often engaged in illicit sex? Madhu Pandit was interviewed by DNA newspapers recently, and that is what he had to tell the newspapers, we do not worship the GBC's sex dhokha (sex and drugs) gurus. That is the real issue all along, as soon as we say acharyas are not debauchees, we are banned, sued and so forth. Anyway, the sex dhokha parampara is getting smashed all over the place, its going down in any event, just as Srila Prabhupada says all the time, these sex and drugs gurus programs will fade out eventually. Srila Prabhupada was always joking about these sex dhokha guru programs, he said this is the worst deviation and its adherents are all going to the lowest planets.]

BSD: Thanks for posting and thanks for providing info on the history of this situation Akruranatha Dasa .

[PADA: Akruranatha's best friend Jayadvaita says that their acharya's program in ISKCON has "acharyas" who are often found engaged in "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children." Apparently, this is what they consider to be "God's successors"? Bangalore does not agree that God's successors are mostly debauchees, that is why the GBC has spend millions in court against Bangalore, they are trying to legally prove that acharyas are mostly debauchees. That is not the teaching of Krishna, He says the acharyas are as pure as He is, acharyam mam vijnaniyam.]

Akruranatha Dasa  >> That is the real issue all along, as soon as we say acharyas are not debauchees, we are banned, sued and so forth<<

The problem is not that you say bona fide gurus must have sadacara. Everyone says that. The GBC certainly agrees with that point. The problem is that because of your distorted political party mentality, you find it expedient to vilify bona-fide sadhu disciples of Srila Prabhupada. Jayadvaita Swami does not take drugs or have illicit sex, nor does he say that a bona fide guru may do so. You take something he said out of context (he was agreeing that ISKCON had to correct the problem that people who served as "gurus" in ISKCON had actually done such things), and distort it into its opposite: as if he was supporting the idea that it was okay.

So one problem I have with Tim Lee and his ilk is, well, for one thing, they are liars and false propagandists. But for another thing, we are advised repetedly in Srila Prabhupada's books that to villify devotees is a "mad elephant" offense that destroys the devotional creeper and is to be avoided at all costs.

But because of political ideology, these devotees have practically made vilifying devotees into their religion. Their publications, instead of explaining and publicizing Lord Caitanya's instructions, seem preoccupied with "exposing" senior devotees in ISKCON as knaves and villains. They take it for granted that if a devotee is a preacher who has initiated many disciples, he probably is having illicit sex or taking drugs or committing some other sins, and they pass along and embellish rumors (or simply make them up) to promote that they in fact are doing so.

And they do not much mind if it has even a grain of truth in it. They try to stir up animosity against honest devotees such as Jayadvaita Swami, Indradyumna Swami, Radhanatha Swami, make up ugly puns about their spiritual names, and delight in feeling superior to these devotees who are actually doing great service to Srila Prabhupada and his mission.

[PADA: Jayadvaita may engage in whatever, that is not the issue, what is the issue is that Jayadvaita has been promoting a guru lineage that is full of illicit behaviors, so he is promoting a guru lineage that is often engaged in illicit sex, as he himself says, his guru line has been "engaged illicit sex with men, women and children."

So he and Akruranatha promote the worship of that process. Do we find a dog that promotes the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children? Nope, dogs have more moral sense than these guys. Why doesn't Jayadvaita know that illicit sex with men, women and children is not the qualification of God's guru successors?

Why does Jayadvaita say we need to worship his program of God's alleged messiahs, who are out there having illicit sex with men, women and children? Why does Jayadvaita corrupt the view of God's messiahs like this, even to children? Even dogs do not have illicit sex with men, women and children, nor do they promote the worship of that, why doesn't Jayadvaita worship a dog? Simple! He is not advanced enough to worship a dog, so he promoting worshiping less than dogs behavior.

Did we forget to mention because Jayadvaita promotes the worship of illicit sex he caused thousands of children to be molested, and dissenters to be murdered? How many more children and dissenters have to be tossed into Jayadvaita's wood chipper here? Bangalore does not worship less than dog behavior, so they are being sued by the Akruranatha party, because Akruranatha is with the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children acharya's program, but even dogs do not behave this badly, nor do dogs worship this behavior. That means Akruranatha is not advanced enough to worship a dog.

Dogs are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, nor do they worship same, Akruranatha's messiah / acharyas are engaged in these odious things, and Jayadvaita is the cheer leader of the worship of this illicit sex acharyas programs. Sulochana said that, these people are not advanced enough to worship a dog. And that is why their program killed him. And LOKANATHA SWAMI is another person who promotes the worship of illlcit sex acharyas program, we need to worship his homosexual messiahs program to go to God, he is another pervert of the worst order. What kind of sick fools and odious rascals tell the public they have to worship an illicit sex with men, women and children guru line to attain God?]

Akruranatha Dasa: Neither I, nor the GBC, nor Jayadvaita Swami, nor Lokanatha Swami, are promoting the worship of nondevotees or sinful, impious people as gurus.

The fact that PADA says we do just shows how he throws wild, untrue allegations around. I usually make it a point not to argue with such people, but I have said a few hings here just in case some innocent people are actually reading and looking for answers.

[PADA: No, I am not throwing any wild things around, Jayadvaita swami is the person who says, in writing, that the guru program he (and Akruranath) promotes contains illicit sex with men, women and children. He is the one who says that in a legal written document, not me! And the result of Jayadvaita's promoting his (and Akruranatha's) illicit sex with men, women and children gurus program, has been -- that thousands of children were molested and dissenters were killed.

This is all well known and legally and media established. Jayadvaita and Akruranatha are preaching to the public (i.e. also to small children) that they need to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children guru line to attain God, this is all factual and we all know it and there is plenty of proof. I have thousands of pages of proof on my web sites, including court testimonies and etc., read it. Yet we do not need that, all we have to do is read Jayadvaita's own words, his guru line contains illicit sex with men, women and children, that is the guru line he (and Akruranath) has been promoting, and they are still promoting.

And we are getting more and more readers to our blog from Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Moldava, China, etc. At least more and more of these people are catching up to speed. And I can see that the pages are being translated into many Russian bloc languages. And harekrsna org still gets 29,000 viewers in January, no doubt, many from Russia bloc and so on. We got the sex dhokha messiahs on the run in the West, now we have to go East towards Russian bloc, and in India the DNA newspapers recently were quoting that the GBC are a sex dhokha (sex and drugs) guru line.

We are gradually getting them in many places. Yep, sex and drugs, that is what I said in 1979, we cannot worship sex and drugs, and the gang of four gurus kicked me out. One of those gurus later fell down with a woman and had his head chopped off -- while being stabbed 72 times; Another had to leave due to connection to Sulochana murder, and he fell down with a woman and he became a crummy New York Real Estate agent who could not make much success; Another was arrested for counterfeit money and he was apparently raped in jail; Another had a stroke because he ate like forty seven hogs and he became fatter than a Boeing 747, so he had a stroke and he cannot hardly move anymore, and he is the leader of the Bangalore lawsuit, fine karma he is getting for doing that. Fine karma they all got, as for head chopped off pada, the GBC could have saved him if they had removed him when I said so, but they pushed him back into the guru seat, because folks like Jayadvaita have made lusty hound dogs being worshiped as good as God. Even dogs do not worship illicit sex, they are way more advanced than Jayadvaita's program will probably ever be, ever.]

Patyatosa Dasa: Akruranatha Prabhu, no one has ever been able to defeat <>.
Rtvik - Proof Positive in One Short Web Page
Srila Prabhupada's prescription for all future initiations within ISKCON: 'Ritvik henceforward.'
RTVIK.COM. Akruranatha Prabhu, you are trying to create a straw-man argument (a logical fallacy) when you say that the Ritviks say, "none of his disciples could ever become bona fide gurus in disciplic succession."

PADA: Yep!

Pratyatosa Dasa Srila Prabhupada's July 9, 1977 letter, to all members of the GBC and to all temple presidents, does not prohibit his disciples from following his perfect example, starting their own institutions and becoming the gurus of those institutions. Srila Prabhupada made it perfectly clear that he does not want more than one diksa guru within ISKCON because, otherwise, it "creates factions."

[PADA: A rtivik is a qualified brahmana, so they are not qualified to be actually bona fide ritviks either.]

Pratyatosa Dasa IMHO, it's a no-win situation for ISKCON Mumbai because if they lose, they lose, and if they "win," they also lose because the resultant decline of ISKCON Bangalore will demonstrate to the entire world that Srila Prabhupada has a better idea: "ritvik henceforward!"

[PADA: Basically over the years we have reported all sorts of deteriorated conditions at various ISKCON temples, including more than a few having health and safety code violations, bad plumbing, a heater that started on fire leaving the devotees freezing in -20 temps, exposed wires near a sink, not enough money for a washing machine etc. That does not mention a toilet that reportedly leaked for 10 years causing dry rot, and even worse reports of rats, mice, cock roaches, bed bugs, rats passing stools on the deities at night, and so forth.

That does not include temples that were simply closed due to lack of manpower, and the cows that were sent to slaughter because there was no funds to maintain them (Prithu went to save them at the cattle auction but they were gone already). And so forth. So this is the plan of the GBC really, to get rid of the people keeping Krishna in good condition, and remove the temple residents so the GBC can let these temples sink into ill repair, and maybe close some more of them as they have done elsewhere.

Even Lokanatha swami said in 1988 the temples are ghost towns. Now the GBC has found a temple with a few people who are not allowing in the rats, bed bugs, cock roaches and so forth -- and the GBC finds that intolerable. Krishna is being taken care of nicely, that is horrible, where are the rats, mice, bed bugs, cock roaches, leaking toilets, no plumbing, exposed wires, ghost town buildings? This nice pooja must be stopped! Yep, that is why the GBC are spending millions suing Bangalore, they are doing nice pooja there and this is horrible for these GBC folks! As one devotee summed it up, the GBC wants mansions for their lawyers and ghettos for Krishna.]

Gauridasa Pandita HariboL Prabhu's, dandavats! AGTSP! Glad to see the intelligentsia at work here! Hope the GBC will discuss this most important issue again. It's been since 1990 since they openly discussed it! Here's my report meant mainly for them: 'On My Behalf'

On My Behalf - Srila Prabhupada's Initiation System for ISKCON
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Gita For Haryana Schools

Friday, March 20, 2015

Ramayan (with English subtitles)

The Mind Creates Entanglements

from: Harinamasamkirtana

Mar 19

The mind drags you into entanglement

tatas ca manavah kale
ijire rsayo 'pare
pitaro vibudha daitya
manusyah kratubhir vibhum


Thereafter, the Manus, the fathers of mankind, the great sages, the forefathers, the learned scholars, the Daityas and mankind performed sacrifices meant to please the Supreme Lord.

Recently ministers have made headlines as they were found watching porn films sitting in the assembly session. They said they got a link from one of their colleagues and clicked. It is not that they sat there to see the film; they spontaneously clicked and got the film. Sometimes this kind of an unexpected behavior we see in people. It all depends on the circumstances in which the person is put. Under normal circumstances, they all behave okay, but when in a unique circumstance even they don’t know. Now that is how the mind drags a living entity into entanglement.

That is explained in Bhagavad-gita as – bahu sakha hy anantas ca, if somebody doesn’t know the higher purpose of life, spiritual values, it is said that he has bahu sakhas in his brain. Bahu sakha means the mind stores information in the form of various sakhas, like as a tree grows it branches out from one single root. That is why for an ordinary person it is impossible to remain concentrated because the mind is continuously branching out to various subjects.

For example, in the case of the ministers, they should have remained fixed in their duty. But then bahu sakha, their own mind has taken them away. We all seek enjoyment, which is our nature. One simple example – a few years back, we used to have only two types of cricket – one day and Test. They are not happy, they want to add one more sakha, some T 20 they added, so this is called bahu sakha hy anantas ca. Unlimitedly they want to expand these sakhas because they are never happy with the sakhas that are available.

So Prabhupada says – The daityas are devotees of the demigods because they want to derive the greatest possible material facilities from them. These daityas are demons but for the facilities they depend on the system created by Krishna. This is how a human being can fulfill his desires. He can either approach the demigods or the Supreme Lord. Nowadays they approach modern science – if you tell any modern mind about the demi gods, they won’t believe.

The Vedic literatures don’t allow a human being to enjoy independent of the Vedic techniques. Dharma artha kama is nothing but karma kanda. The majority of Vedic literature is focused on these three and then some portion is on the jnana kanda, i.e. they talk about moksa. So it insists that you practice dharma if you want prosperity, and then through money of course your kama is fulfilled. This modern civilization doesn’t want to build on the dharmic principles. Vedic economy is based on cow protection and farming. Our modern economy is based on IT industry, BPO working day and night, where is this civilization compared to the civilization created by the Lord.

Modern man has forgotten all these things, they try to figure out all on their own and then if something is successful after years of research, then that benefit will be applicable to everybody. So the trend is very clear, they want to increase these sakhas. Innumerable varieties they want to produce and if the production has increased; that means the consumption is encouraged. People just freak out in getting more and more varieties, whether they use it or not.

So this is the direction in which we are all moving. This is very dangerous – bahu sakha, but Prabhupada is saying that the devotees of the Lord are eka nistha, or absolutely attached to the devotional service of the Lord. So from bahu sakha, how do we come to eka nistha or vyavasayatmika, single minded. 

Now, I am bahu sakha, my mind is always expanding into various directions. Once I was waiting in one of the stations, an educated, well dressed person sat next to me. He saw this dress and asked – Swamiji, where are you from? So I said we are from the Hare Krishna Movement. He said, Swamiji I am a very successful businessman but I have one problem. He is in his mid fifties, and he says, whenever I see a young woman, my mind races, I know I should not see like that, now what should I do? It is a very deep question. Not only him, everybody has this difficulty. They call it as concentration problem, but what happens is they have created innumerable branches in their brain. That is why a villager is simple. If you say mobile 4 G he has got no idea. So materially, dumbness, sometimes it is very useful for Krishna consciousness, you can easily focus.

There are bahu sakhas, now how can I become eka nistha? We need to purify these branches. That is our process – Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. Ceto darpana marjana means purifying these branches. You have to bring in Krishna to these branches. If you see a woman it expands into various branches, each one has one’s own variety of branches. But a Krishna conscious devotee purifies that branch; as soon as he sees a woman, he either says mother or he says she is connected to Krishna, something which is practical for him to control himself, he purifies. That means using Vedic knowledge that Prabhupada gave us, we actually purify. Since the subject matter remains Krishna, he will remain absorbed in Krishna. That is called eka nistha.

The scientific word for this is given by Goswamis as yukta vairagya. Already you have created so many branches, now you think how you can engage these gadgets, the circumstances, for Krishna’s service, this is yukta vairagya. So more we increase such thinking and decrease less of how I can enjoy myself, then we are actually moving towards eka nistha. Distress comes, happiness comes – in each and every circumstance how I can see Krishna’s hand. If you are able to purify your thinking like that, you should know that you are actually purifying these bahu sakhas and slowly we are moving towards vyavasayatmika buddhir or eka nistha.

In one of the purports Prabhupada says – even distress is also one form of the Lord. Some people will commit suicide, will get into depression, they will get into mental hospital – this is sakha. But a devotee, he has to hold brakes and then he will say, okay now, what did the shastras say? This is the sadhana that we have to do – continuously read Prabhupada’s books, chant 16 rounds; we will have purified consciousness. A devotee has to continuously introspect and proactively see how he can link it up to a shastric conclusion.

Only when one is absolutely attached to devotional service will he reach eka nistha stage. Currently we are not in eka nistha stage. We are in ananta nivrtti syat. Struggling with our own anarthas and then sometimes up, sometimes down – when we continue our sadhana, slowly we hope to reach eka nistha stage. When one is completely in love with Krishna on that perfectional stage. And finally as Prabhupada says – because of the realization of their spiritual identity, they are more concerned with spiritual emancipation than with material comforts.

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Being A Woman in India

[PADA: There is a lot of current controversy and discussion on this topic. However, it is clear that India is gradually losing its moral status as it becomes more and more Western-ized, Bollywood-ized, and so forth. Its good that these issues are starting to be discussed and we hope that the attempts to revive parts of the Vedic culture by some of the current government leaders will have an impact. Vedic culture means for starters -- that women are being protected. ys pd]