Monday, March 18, 2024

ISKCON's "Victim Therapy" / Rambhouru / Karuna Care VIDEO 03 18 24

 

GBC Resignations / Krishna Kirtan / Hansadutta Speaks 03 18 24


ISKCON Governing Body Commission (GBC)

March 15 at 10:50 PM 

The following GBC members offered their resignation from GBC services - Bhakti-bhusana Swami, Bhakti Marg Swami, Malati Devi, Niranjana Swami and Radhanath Swami. The members voted in favor of accepting the resignations, and as a result, their resignations were officially accepted.

Hare Krishna.

PADA: The GBC folks keep resigning left, right and center, and leaving behind the giant mess they have created for ISKCON and its citizens. A temple president was recently talking to my friend confidentially. And the president admits that Radhanath had a lot to do with the New Vrndavana molesting empire, and he was friends with many of the people in the Mayapur molesting empire, Vrndavana molesting empire etc. In other words, he has supported a lot of corruption and even programs that harm children, and many people know that. 

The temple president said -- as each molesting victim -- or other victims -- come forward, it is another example of GBC mis-managing that they cannot deny. And so it is "GBC death by a thousand cuts." Then they resign to try to protect themselves legally, while keeping their stolen money or even continuing on as gurus "in their own zone" or in their own separated guru spin off empires. 

These folks agreed -- the GBC has no fix for current ISKCON, nor did they ever want ISKCON to be fixed. They continued the status quo as long as they could, evidently so they could pack away funds as much as possible, so when they do leave, they will have a big nest egg retirement package. I think all that makes sense. ys pd

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PADA: Correct, the Krishna Kirtan advertised by Prabhupadanuga EU is a follower of Krishna Balaram swami, a self advertised acharya. We heard that he was complaining about the child abuse in Vrndavana way back in the early 1980s, but he did not take corrective action that we ever heard of. 

Krishna Kirtan also says he too was a victim of mistreatment. 

Yet neither Krishna Balarama swami, Krishna Kirtan, or his parents, ever took these issues to the police that we know of, nor did they make this problem known to many other parents whose kids were still in there that we know of. And that is why a lot of parents told me, "we did not know." Well yeah, because these people have been covering up for the regime. And that is self evidently why Prabhupadanuga EU promotes these cover ups and worshipers of bogus acharyas. They are a team. 

And someone else told me, Krishna Balaram swami says we can only advance to prefection when we are born in India. And Prabhupanuga EU is promoting Third Reich-ism birther-ism. So they are both racists, and no wonder they are combining efforts. And in both cases, they failed to help the children of ISKCON, and they attacked the people who did help the children, to help their regime pals. Birds of a feather. 

ys pd

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HANSADUTTA SPEAKS:

YOU EITHER EMBRACE SRILA PRABHUPADA IN YOUR HEART EXCLUSIVELY, EXCLUDING ALL OTHER OPINIONS, OR EMBRACE THE OPINIONS OF THE GURUS VOTED BY A COMMITTEE, MAYAVADIS, SAHAJIYAS, IMPERSONALISTS AND OTHER MENTAL SPECULATORS.

Ritvik initiation ceremony was conducted routinely for many years on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. Why would Srila Prabhupada have to formulate a letter instructing me and 10 others to perform ritviks initiations that we all had been doing for years? The only reason would be to formalise and fix us to continue after his departure. 

His departure was an obvious fact, his instructions by a formal letter, indicating specific personalities, were clear. There is no letter where Prabhupada points to any disciple who takes on the responsibility of being a GURU.

Prabhupada used to say, “You can say anything, but don’t put it in writing.”. That makes it a legal document.” What Prabhupada said in a conversation is just that. A conversation. What was written are legal documents.

What is at stake here is not the rhetoric or mental speculation of the VOTED in GURUS; rather, it is your conviction and loyalty to Prabhupada, because without that, you cannot convince anyone of Prabhupada or Krishna Consciousness. 

Because Krishna Consciousness flows from Prabhupada the person, NOT from ISKCON the INSTITUTION. “It is the king who makes the kingdom”, not the kingdom who makes the king. Srila Prabhupada is the foundation, the creator of ISKCON, not ISKCON is the creator of Prabhupada. You have to invest your whole heart and soul into Prabhupada's PERSON, then ISKCON's Validity, Authenticity and Power will be clearly visible to you. 

You will not recognise or determine the MEANING and INTENTION of Prabhupada by conducting an OPINION POLL inside ISKCON. You and Prabhupada are in front of each other. You need to get in line. You can't get Prabhupada arming yourself with OTHERS OPINION. You are alone and you are responsible for your OWN DELIVERY. Its you and Srila Prabhupada.

The ocean leaves plenty of room for non-stop paddling, but genuine and experienced sailors always maintain their course by gazing at the constant NORTH STAR (or Polar). This way, every experienced Sailor/DEVOTEE, anywhere in any ocean in the world, knows exactly where they are and how to proceed to their destination. Why are you so interested in “most devotees” and karmis?. You have to be first of all interested in your own and “true orientation towards Srila Prabhupada”. If that's not established in your heart, YOU CANNOT do good to anyone, NOT EVEN YOURSELF.

You have to remember that Krishna, after explaining in detail several philosophies: karma yoga, morning yoga, astanga yoga, sankhya yoga, the three modalities of nature, the divine and demonic natures, the qualities of the four orders of the varnas and ashrams, the universal form, bhakti yoga and etc , finally concludes this eloquent summary of all philosophy, thought and Vedic analysis saying to Arjuna (His devotee and friend): Abandon all dharma and simply do what I tell you. Just give yourself to Me and I will protect you.... don't worry, don't be afraid. "If there's any fault or problem, I'll take care of it."

But after 5,000 years of reading the Bhagavad-gita, the whole world, including India, has yet to grasp this final conclusion of Krishna's instructions. Sarva dharmam parityajya: “Forget all your DHARMA and all your formulas, traditions, rituals and procedures.”. Just give yourself to Me. I will protect you from every sinful reaction. DON'T FEAR IT. "Who has understood this conclusive order????. Almost NOBODY.

So even when Srila Prabhupada spent ten years travelling, preaching, writing 60 volumes of books, building temples, farming communities, recruiting thousands of devotees, meeting dignitaries, pop stars, etc., no one can understand, or NO ONE wants to understand his FINAL ORDER, his final prescription for his disciples and the world, because the heart is filled with ambition to be a GURU-ACHARYA similar to or better than Prabhupada.

So he presented himself so that everyone could have his cake and eat it too. Prabhupada's instructions are actually CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, but if one's heart is not CLEAR AS CRYSTER, you cannot see, hear or embrace what is CLEAR AS CRYstals. Therefore there is Chaos, Confusion and Ignorance. 

Ignorance does not mean something is unknown or not understood. Ignorance means I know the fact, but I WILLINGLY ignore it. Like a man who knows he should completely stop at a red light, but believing they don't see it, he doesn't stop and passes the red light without stopping. So ambition looks like this. Lust: "must get it...." "I want to be a guru." The polluted heart will find all sorts of REASONS, LOGIC, ARGUMENTS and SUPREME AUTHORITY to complement and support its ambitious and lustful desires.

There is no room for bad interpretation; there is only room for DEMONSTRATION. Let's see a demonstration of SPIRITUAL POWER. Lets see what someone CAN DO. It's not about interpreting the presence of the sun; it's SELF-EVIDENCE.

NO, there is no room for bad interpretations. It's a matter of PRACTICAL DEMONSTRATION. Prabhupada has led the example. He used to say, "Do what I do." So who doing what HE DID??? He was a single guru. In 10 years set the world on fire with Krishna Consciousness. So who has even come close by lighting a match in the dark? What's the use of NAMING STRAYERS? When Bhaktisiddhanta was asked: "Who would be the next Acharya?". "he replied: ""The Acharya is SELF-REFULGENT, HE CANNOT be appointed.""". [Prabhupada recalls this in a letter to Rupanuga, dated April 28, 1974]

You want bureaucracy, you want formulas, rituals, procedures; but we need substance: "SHOW ME THE MONEY". Why not see things as they are? We can see what Prabhupada did. WE CANNOT SEE WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE. Hundreds of Gurus, so have there been HUNDREDS MORE?

Do you think building a system will produce BETTER RESULTS?. No system will replace the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
Your humble servant ,

Hansadutta das


Sunday, March 17, 2024

Sri Radhe Back Story / Polly Imbroglio / KK Das Writes / Kalakantha 03 17 24




Namaste and Pranams Prabhu,

First of all, I'll like to stay anonymous for obvious reasons. I'm ex fiskcon. Born and bred in Eastern Europe. Joined fiskcon in early 90's. I was still in highschool at that time. Completed my education while already living in ashram. Almost instantly I've become leading sankirtana devotee. Got initiated by ids in '93. My only sister got initiated a year later also by ids, same goes to my brother in law. We've disassociate ourselves from the society many years ago.

Now, in 1994 I've moved to Bharat. Within two months I was already a personal secretary to bvks in Vadodara / Baroda. As well as ids whenever he was in Bharat. Basically I was serving both of them as a personal servant for next few years.

In due course of time my understanding of what's really goes in a society got radically upgraded. I'm sure I could share some stories with you Prabhu. Even tough I have no interest in fiskcon that much, I admire your courage for fighting these folks. (Kindly note I've met personally with Henry Doktorski. He gave me several copies of "killing for Krishna" books to gave away to another ex fiskcon folks).

Later ids took me on tour. India - south Africa - Australia - new Zealand. (Then reverse back to India). It was during our stay in Durban, I went to get some items for morning puja for ids (pujari kitchen was a distance from sannyasis room) . However as a ex footballer I run back and forth very fast and upon my returning I was absolutely shocked!!! There was a ids standing and giving bear hug to.......young Sri Radhe (same lady was expelled from mayapur recently, as per your blog).

Radhe was and is very attractive girl. She was a young teen with (forgive my language) large, perky breasts. It was very shocking for me to see both of them in that position. Upon my arrival they separated and looked embarrassed, the least. 

I remember that a day before Radhes aunty spoke with ids complaining that she is only coming to temple whenever ids is there. Otherwise she is going clubbing and hunting for boys in a night clubs, wearing mini skirt and skimpy tops, exposing her large chest. What next ids did? 

He got her tickets for polish summer tour!! Same day my god sister approached me (she was ids, brahmana discipline) and asked me how is that gurudev is buying tickets for not even initiated disciple? And she as a senior disciple had to sell hong Kong paintings if she wanted to visit polish tour? I did not know what to tell her.

You know what was the difference, Prabhu? Very simple and scary reason. Brahmana disciple was, NOT attractive physically. Some would say, she was ugly. (Not my opinion, just saying so you could get the idea). .....and then comes Radhe, little apsara like girl! Stunningly beautiful! So she gets the tickets.

Anyway, I hope I could share more stories in a future. Kindly keep me anonymous.

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PADA: There are a number of ex-children like Polly Woodward who seem to have distorted memories of things. But they do remember that horrible things did happen to them and other gurukula children, which regular secular children do not recall. So clearly something awful did happen to them, and others. Some of the ex-children recall for example Satanic ceremony scenes and so on and so forth, which has never been verified. 

The main point to me is, some terrible trauma did happen to these kids, and they are suffering severe trauma from it, and for sure that is a fact. And regular secular kids never complain about these things, because they have had a much better situation. 

One victim is writing letters to the GBC three times a day, and she copies me on her writings. So she is very depressed and obsessed with the situation. Something happened to this person, and it was evil. How evil was it ??? could be argued one way or other. I just had a dream I was going incognito to a temple and I was behind a pillar when two ladies came in and they were talking confidentially -- so I did not reveal myself to let them express themselves and "get it off their chest." 

And one of the ladies was telling the other, "I think taking my life is the only way out for me." I think this dream has happened in real life for a number of victims. So there is a lot of trauma going on here, and it almost seems like it is what a lot of devotees are in denial about. 

Gaura Govinda Maharaja admitted to me he knows that ISKCON is promoting the worship of homos and pedos as Vishnupada acharyas, and he told me Kali Yuga has entered the highest places in ISKCON. So that means he knew that thousands of ISKCON children were being forced to worship these homos, pedos, dope heads and other deviants -- as their Vishnupada links to God, and that is severe psychological child mistreatment right out of the gate. And it will produce trauma in those children victims eventually, and no one should have been surprised when that happened. I think Polly is another victim of these people. I am just glad she survived. ys pd

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WAKE UP, DEAR BLIND, FANATICAL, DELIRIOUS VICTIMS OF MOST CUNNING DECEIT..AND DO NOT LIVE AS SHEEPS AND GOATS FOR SLAUGHTER..!!!

IN THE ORIGINAL GAUDIYA VAISNAVISM THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS: INITIATION BY UNQUALIFIED "GURU" AND RE-INITIATION..!!!

KK Dasa

In recent days I’ve been asked a few times about what kind of relationship I have with my spiritual master. Readers see my posts and wonder. Without going into details on personal relationships, I’ll say what I don’t do, that others disciples do.

First of all, I’ve had two fallen gurus previously. To fit into the system, I was initiated a third time as a number of devotees of my generation did. We’re talking of ex-Jayatirtha disciples and former disciples of other zonal acaryas – thousands of them.

I’ve seen it all before. Fanatical guru worship. Over-glorification of the guru. Starry-eyed guru-personality hype among disciples. The fervour for guru-maharaja this, guru-maharaja that and guru-maharaja everything. The pressure to prove how dedicated one is to the guru. The lack of privacy and confidentiality among disciples and guru and so on.

I refuse to be a part of cult-like behaviour. I’m not one of those fawning disciples. I keep a respectful distance. Why should I fall for it again, and again? No thanks.

After taking initiation for a third time, I’m told by Prabhupada disciples that all this re-initiation is unnecessary. Yeah, they would say that now. This fiasco is a farce. Guru-tattva in ISKCON is a shambles. It has messed up the lives of so many sincere seekers. I’m feeling some anger as I write on this point. I’m tempted to write an expletive. And you want me to still be an obedient, sold-out institutional stooge?

Doing away with the above mess, a simple heart-to-heart connection is good enough for me. Giriraj Swami is one of my Facebook friends and I don’t hide my thoughts in my posts. Last time I spoke with him was for nearly three hours on Skype a couple of years ago. I’m aware that some sannyasis have or had friends who are known abusers and who publicly choose inaction on abuse. I watch all this. Again, I keep a distance. The essence is what I seek without all pompous external guru formalities. That’s me.

Ys KK Dasa.

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“TESTIMONIES & EVIDENCE ON MISSING TAPE RECORDINGS (Cont.)-SEVEN:

TESTIMONY FROM MEXICAN GURUKULA STUDENT -In Ch. 52 we saw how Bhakta Vatsala das, a Mexican Gurukula student about 13 years old in 1977, had found two cassette tapes under Srila Prabhupada’s mattress just after his departure. Bhakta Vatsala helped with cleaning Srila Prabhupada’s quarters almost every day. He took and hid the tapes in the wall of his room, but when he left Vrindaban a few months later, Bhakticharu searched his luggage, found the tapes and took them. Bhakta Vatsala never was able to listen to them. 

This testimony was recorded under oath in 2001. What was on those tapes? Where are these tapes?

EIGHT: TESTIMONY FROM GAURIDAS PANDIT DAS REGARDING MISSING TAPES 

Gauridas Pandit das, who was an assistant to Tamal in mid-1977, fanning Srila Prabhupada in his garden, wrote on May 14, 2009: “My duty was to move his recording equipment around to where he was and always make sure his conversations were recorded. Tamal did that most of the time but I'd do it if he wasn't around. 

And yes there are quite a few tapes missing that I know were made; especially right after July 9th when more questions were asked. For example, Tamal asked Prabhupada if there could be more ritviks appointed in the future. Srila Prabhupada said, ‘Yes, the GBC can elect at Mayapur.’ Tamal: What if a ritvik falls down? 

Prabhupada said, “Then the GBC can remove”. Tamal: Should we put Vyasasanas in the temples for the ritviks? Prabhupada said, “No, that would create enmity among my disciples.”’ This confirms what we suspected, that before and after such a monumental event as the July 9th letter, how could there be no more discussion on the subject? 

Where are those tapes? Obviously Tamal removed all the tapes about the future of initiations and “disappeared” them. Tamal culled any tape that contained Srila Prabhupada’s instructions for the future of ISKCON and a unique system for proxy initiations.

NINE: “IT’S ALL ON TAPE”: TAMAL TO YASODANANDANA JULY 10, 1977 

Yasodanandana kept a personal diary in 1977, which he still has decades later. He served in Vrindaban as the gurukula headmaster and saw Srila Prabhupada and Tamal daily throughout 1977. On July 10, 1977, Yasodanandan Swami recorded in his diary a conversation outside of Tamal’s office: 

TAMAL: Yasoda, did you see this? 

YASODA: No. What is it? 

TAMAL: This is signed by Prabhupada. Tamal showed Yasodanandana the July 9th letter and pointed to Srila Prabhupada’s signature on the left hand bottom corner. He read the entire letter and then asked Tamal some questions. “

YASODA: What does all of this mean? 

TAMAL: Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations, and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initate on his behalf. Prabhupada said that others can be added. 

YASODANANDANA: And when Prabhupada departs? 

TAMAL: They’ll be ritviks. That’s what Prabhupada said. It’s all on tape.” (Yet More Evidence, Vedic Village Review, No. 11, Dec. 1989) Yes, it was all on tape, admitted by Tamal himself. But these tapes are not with us today. Tamal disappeared all audio evidence of the ritvik acharya system as set up by Srila Prabhupada.

TEN: PERSONAL MEMORY BY CHAITANYA DAS REGARDING MISSING TAPES “I was in the guesthouse room of the Kolkata temple with Bhakti Vikasa Swami (ISKCON guru) and I heard him say ‘It’s a fact they have deleted so many tapes and letters.’ He spoke this in a tone of total disgust towards the leaders of ISKCON.” (Chaitanya das, 35 years after 1977) Amongst some ISKCON leaders there are convictions that somebody reduced the available Srila Prabhupada tapes.” (Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories 1.333)


PADA: Yeah, we thought we could absorb sins like Jesus and be worshipped as the sum total of the demigods. And we could allow homos and pedos to be worshiped as Vishnupada. And we could have devotees banned, beaten, sued and assassinated if they did not go along. We goofed. Sorry! ys pd 

Saturday, March 16, 2024

Mayapur Management's New Resolution / Discussion 03 16 24

 


If we can just get rid of the people exposing: mass child molesting; guru poisoning; changing the books, and have them sent into exile in the Caribbean, where they will never return, that will fix everything! That will save our favorite molesters, poisoners and book changers! Problem solved!  

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PADA: Thanks JD, yes Krishna Kant Desai / IRM leader wanted me to drop -- the poison issue, molesting issue and books changes issue -- and work under the authority of the head leader of Mayapur, Jayapataka swami. And worse, "take a vacation in the Caribbean" as a guest of their hero messiah Jayapataka. In other words, they are jack booted gestapo enforcers of a pedophile gang leader who evidently also poisons pure devotees. And I never would have returned from the Caribbean alive, and we all know that. 

And Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanuga EU is simply another one of the disciples of the Krishna Kant / Mayapur / Jayapataka regime -- another of the thousands of other pedophile guru lover's gestapo jack boot enforcers I have dealt with since 1978. Mathura Pati is just another person who attacks and harasses anyone who opposes their child starving, beating and rapes / and guru poisoning program, nothing new for me, seen thousands of them come and go since 1978. They come, they go, but they are always here. Even Hiranyakasipu had many supporters. No problem, we just pray to Lord Narasimgha -- and let Him sort it all out.  

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com     

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PADA: Very sad. They were trained as kids to become monsters by the adult monsters. Now everyone is upset with them, which is understandable, but if we trace it all back, the leaders of ISKCON created this monster's ball for these ex-children. They are victims, of course being a victim is not a license to victimize others. Just another example of many kids who were destroyed by the pedo cult's leaders. 

And Rambhoru is training people to identify perps and their enablers, well her and her husband Prithu telling children to worship their monster's ball guru leaders are the first guilty people we should identify. They should never have told these children to worship their pedophile guru's cult, that is the responsibility of all the adults involved, such as themselves. 

I know one other former kid, who was trained to be a "gurukula enforcer," he is now an adult, and he suffers from severe depression. I mean severe depression. His life was destroyed by this process. And so was theirs. I feel bad for all of them, they were made monsters by other monsters. And the leaders of those monsters are often called "sum total of the demigods successors to God," which makes it all a million, trillion times worse. Yeah, Dr. Stilson Judah is right, these people will eliminate you if the think they can get away with it, they are very dangerous people. 

MAYAPUR IMBROGLIO 

DD: After waiting far too many years, the Mayapur management has finally taken decisive actions to remove Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe devi dasi from ISKCON Mayapur.

This is a very important step to help their victims heal and hopefully forgive and move on. I also hope that Sri Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe will seek and receive all the help they need to heal their own wounds and traumas. May the cooling and benedicting Moon of Lord Chaitayna Mahaprabhu's mercy save us from the eternal cycle of suffering.

Srila Prabhupada Ki Jaya!!!

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MEB Resolution passed March 12th 2024 in Sridham Mayapur

Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi

Resolved:

Sri Madhava Gauranga das and his wife, Sri Radhe dasi, have demonstrated their inability to separate themselves from their prior positions of power which they were found to have abused. They are strongly encouraged to relocate to another community outside of Mayapur preferably outside of India.

PADA: This is always another problem. They are going to relocate to another community, probably ISKCON, and then what happens if other victims live in that area? I don't think devotees realize the scale and scope of this problem.

If Madhava and Sri Radhe do not relocate within 90 days, they will be prohibited entirely from the Mayapur campus for not less than 3 years (to be reviewed and possibly extended at the end of that term). And, if any further report of intimidation is brought to MEB’s attention, the Co-Directors must explore legal options to enforce the above prohibition.

The Co-Directors are asked to reach out to Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi at the earliest after this meeting to facilitate the above.
While this may cause some hardships, we genuinely believe, based on our knowledge of their behavior for the past several months, that this will be good for them and their family. With a fresh start they could make meaningful contributions to society in the future. We wish them all the best.
MEB Resolution passed March 12th,2024 in Sridham Mayapur

DD: Good on the Mayapur Executive Board for (finally) arriving at this conclusion.

PADA: But it took a lot of external pressure for them to act by the looks of it.

JG: Still useless really if they abused kids etc there should be Police cases and a Court Case we're the Law will be passed and justice handed down. Anyhow guess this is as good as it gets over there. Geez to think I wanted to live and school my child there. Thank the Vaisnava's for finally exposing all these really lost, blinded souls.

D Dasi: I know more than a few devotees who expressed the same. They wanted to live in Mayapura and have their kids in Gurukula. It didn't work out for them. Now, they are so grateful they never went there, after hearing about all the abuse that transpired.

JG: Think we were just too naive and trusting, but hey I think actually the people that covered it up are more to blame and they definitely gonna get it big time.

PADA: And that includes Krishna Kant, IRM, Mathura Pati, Prabhupadanuga EU, Prahlad, HKC Jaipur and others GBC gestapo jack booters who opposed me for exposing their child molester guru project, and their program wanted to have me go the the Caribbean under Jayapataka, and probably have me removed from the planet so they could cover up their pedo and poisoner guru regime. They all have the same agenda, cover up for their pedos and poisoners pals.

SP: I don’t believe they are actually going to leave. It’s not in their nature to be compliant. They always weasel out of taking responsibility.

DD: Naturally Madhava Gauranga is contesting the decision.

Supposedly some - more than one - members of the MEB reached out to him and proposed he write to MEB. So perhaps not every MEB board member favoured the resolution delineated in the OP.

He is citing "due process" complaining that he should have been invited to make his case to them prior to any decision being reached. Of course, even in matters of organisational policy, it's good to follow "due process". But Madhava Gauranga appears to be citing "due process" as if his guilt was being determined by some court.

Looking at the wording of the resolution:

<<<Sri Madhava Gauranga das and his wife, Sri Radhe dasi, have demonstrated their inability to separate themselves from their prior positions of power which they were found to have abused.>>>

Is this "found to have abused" some reference to a prior - concluded CPO investigation?

<<<They are strongly encouraged to relocate to another community outside of 
Mayapur preferably outside of India.

If Madhava and Sri Radhe do not relocate within 90 days, they will be prohibited entirely from the Mayapur campus for not less than 3 years (to be reviewed and possibly extended at the end of that term). And, if any further report of intimidation is brought to MEB’s attention, the Co-Directors must explore legal options to enforce the above prohibition.

The Co-Directors are asked to reach out to Sri Madhava Gauranga das and Sri Radhe dasi at the earliest after this meeting to facilitate the above.

While this may cause some hardships, we genuinely believe, based on our knowledge of their behavior for the past several months, that this will be good for them and their family.>>>

"Based on our knowledge of their behaviour".... No details provided. First hand knowledge....? Credible witness accounts....?

It should be noted that, whilst some presumption of prior guilt is being referred to, this resolution is not some kind of judicial sentencing. It's a matter of campus policy. While, from reading the resolution, it's not clear precisely what evidence was considered in the process of decision making, it appears that a number of community members expressed their concerns - including some victims.

It is believed that some interim restrictions were also meant to be in place but were not being adequately enforced or abided by.

If a management team determine - after hearing from community members within their jurisdiction - that quarantine measures should be put in place to safeguard community members, is that being treated as if it's a human rights violation by those having their campus privileges revoked?

There is also the classic fallacious argument "Whose abuse is worse?" as if those who have been abused at some point themselves should be given an amnesty for their own abusive actions.

Being in litigation with the International CPO, Madhava Gauranga exhorts his accusers to take up their grievance with "CPO Bharat" - evidently confident of that agency's support.

PADA: Right, "CPO Bharat" was made up so they can refuse to accept other CPO decisions against wrong doers from other sectors of ISKCON. For example, Lokanatha swami is still a guru in India despite other sectors of ISKCON refusing to accept his authority. It looks like they concocted the "CPO Bharat" scheme to over-ride other CPO legislation from other areas.

Will more of the former students that have grievances against Madhava Gauranga and / or his wife choose to formalise further allegations?

V Dasi: Wouldn’t it be that ISKCON Mayapur is private property and under law they are not legal members of ISKCON, so therefore do not have entry rights. I wonder how India deal with such matters.

DD: I have no idea how the law works there. But surely any management team over a facility has the right to refuse admission - particularly if they are concerned about risks to other attendees.

GP: I guess from the way it looks, some of the higher up abuser's are now worried, if there were criminal or other binding allegations the guilty party may spill the beans and reveal other abuser's, to get a deal to save them selves.

SP: I read his ridiculous response, making it all about himself and trying to get sympathy for his own disastrous childhood. I just don't understand why they even want to stay so badly at this point, if they really cared for their kids they would leave Mayapur and get a fresh start. Also how can he justify keeping his kids in the same place he was abused and then abused others. To say its the best place for them??? Absurd!

PADA: It is remarkable that people keep going back to supporting these guys, or worse -- even surrendering their kids to these guys, knowing how much trouble previous kids have experienced. When we helped the lawsuit in 1997, hundreds of kids were pulled out of their schools, and I am surprised any were sent back in later. Of course, a lot of the new people are from Russia, Ukraine etc. and they have no idea what was going on. 

JG: Time to grab our torches and pitchforks as the saying goes.

PK: From what I understood they were prohibited from campus for 3 years, period. Not only if they refuse relocate within 90 days. And relocate for how long? This statement is very unclear. They left Mayapur about a week ago, so does this now mean they are not prohibited for 3 years?

VK: Did the MEB take any action against Braja Sevaki as well for her recent bullying and threats to the victim of Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe? 

LL: So that means if they relocate then they are allowed to freely roam all the rest of the Iskcon premisses??? They should not be allowed on the campus at all anymore.

AP: Now take them to the police, together with the leaders who protected them for years (like Indradyumna swami and others) and put them in jail.

PADA: And all their assorted hangers on and gestapo enforcer cheer leader protectors should also be arrested like Krishna Kant, IRM, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati, Prabhupadanuga EU etc. But don't worry, Yamaraja will arrest all of them in time. And they will go to Yamaraja's Caribbean Voodoo vacation home. 

HD: YES!!

GP: People power, well done DD and others who are pushing for truth and justice. This only happened because of external pressure.

DD: The main credit goes in this case to the female victims - former students - and their families.

GP: Certainly, and the back up, it takes a lot of courage to challenge an institution and their embedded corruption.

SR: Sri Radhe was herself a child in the 90s... at that time Madhava Gauranga and Sri Radhe didn't even know each other. They met several years later.

VR: What did they do?

DD: There are allegations of various kinds of abuse of the students at the gurukulas they ran.

CH: Sivarama Swami also accommodated and supported them recently in Hungary's Krishna Valley.

PK: Finally...

LS: Whoever in charge send them to Trinidad and they will be forced to change or be given a proper laatee.

Friday, March 15, 2024

Can ISKCON's Insiders and Lifers -- Fix ISKCON? 03 15 24



PADA: There are some people who doubt that these "ISKCON grief counsellors" "ISKCON insiders" "ISKCON lifers" can fix the problems going on inside ISKCON. Some people have challenged that these folks are "not qualified" to deal with trauma. And others have said they are "a circus" that is trying to make a show that something is being done -- when little or not much is being done. Some say it is worse, it is window dressing, it looks like something is being done, when it really isn't. 

It seems to me that a lot of trouble is still going on in places like Mayapur and not much is factually being fixed. At the same time, these women are probably sincere, and trying to do something, and that is a good idea in that -- at least trauma is being acknowledged. But that begs the question, where are the men leaders, those who should be in the driver's seat, and not -- these ladies. And, did these "ISKCON men leaders" create a lot of the trauma these ladies are now trying to fix? ys pd

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PADA: Most ordinary Joe six pack people walking down the street already know, with no special trauma training whatsoever, that all children need good food, clothes, shoes, medical care, warm water for their bathing, a caring and protected environment, and a good educational curriculum etc. And if the teachers turn out to be violent, predators or enablers of predators, these bad adults need to be charged and arrested forthwith. No questions asked. 

And if the children getting out of their school have not actually received a useful education to function in the world, the school needs to be sued for negligence and false advertising, so that child can have financial help to compensate for not being trained. Any ordinary Joe six pack person already knows all of this with no special training. We need to start to weed out the people who keep causing all this damage and trouble for children, instead of constantly fixing, repairing and "trauma therapy-ing" the children they damage. 

To always keep fixing the children they break is not addressing the root issue, the people who break children need to be removed instead of contantly trying to fix the children they break. Every Joe six pack already knows all this with no training. One of the alleged therapy ladies of ISKCON recently went to a USA temple with a "high recommendation from Jayapataka." And that is just one of many examples of creating more trauma for the victims of this program. ys pd

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PADA: Point well taken. However, in my opinion, the first problem is, there are many deviants running around ISKCON, and they have been facilitated, enabled, empowered, encouraged and protected -- by the leadership. Or worse -- they have been specifically emplaced into positions of authority over children and vulnerable women. Thus, even if a deviant is identified, not much is being done to address that problem in many cases. 

Or worse, the whistleblowers against the deviant are removed and the deviant stays. That is what happened to me and many others. As soon as I said there is a predator running around, and he is having full on conjugal relationships with at least one victim, I was removed and the predator stayed, and was given even more protected status and higher posts of authority. Multiply that same issue by many times, and that is where we are now. Later on my friend reported a rape was attempted on a minor, and he was kicked out and the perp was allowed to stay. 

This type thing is an epidemic. Therefore, trying to help people AFTER they are victims is cart before horse, we should be nipping these events BEFORE they develop into trauma for children. And that means addressing how the leaders are NOT ALLOWING weeding out perps, which is most of the problem. And some cases the leaders ARE the perps. Therapy for victims needs to have the rest of the system working -- so they can see their victimizers are being given justice and containment. Many abusers were already being identified, and in many cases the whistle blowers were being weeded out, not the abusers. I don't see these webinar folks really coming to grips with the foundation issue. ys pd

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PADA: Yes, a lot of the ISKCON leader's "we could care less" mood would be changed dramatically if more victims and / or their parents actually pressed criminal charges. And those charges could go to the perps-- and / or their handlers / enablers, and / or webs and nests operators etc. Long overdue. And this is another problem, a lot of these leaders and perps are all getting well on in years, so unless charges are made soon, a lot of them are no longer going to be here to be charged. ys pd

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PADA: Rambhouru is still telling people that when the guru falls down and runs off with a woman, it is very shocking. And this process causes a lot of mental trauma and pain. Well -- what is truly shocking is -- that people like Rambhoru still think that Krishna's successors -- or gurus -- are falling down left, right and center -- into illicit sex with men, women and children. Krishna is God, His successors are therefore purely serving Krishna, and that is why they are running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. What else would we expect -- except a lot of trauma -- to result from that devious preaching? 

That means she thinks Krishna's gurus are ordinary men, or worse than ordinary men, because ordinary men are not running off to have illicit sex with men, women and children. 

So she is one of the persons creating all this suffering, confusion and trauma by mis-representing who is Krishna and who is His successor. She is promoting that children should worship her conditioned soul messiahs as their gurus, and later on, those children will often find out they have been cheated, and they will reject the religion. 

And most of the children in her scheme have left the religion, and permanently. And many of them detest the religion thanks to her misrepresenting Krishna and His successors. Falling down foolish conditioned soul gurus is not shocking at all, it is expected and happens every day. 

What is shocking is -- that ISKCON is promoting these foolish conditioned souls as its gurus, and then they send in Rambhoru as the fire brigade to fix the traumatized victims -- without explaining how all this trauma originated -- by promoting conditioned souls as messiahs. So they are starting the place on fire, pouring petrol on it, then coming in to save the victims, the victims they created. OK that is why someone said, this is just a circus and not a real solution. 

But more people are reading PADA and other similar sites -- and they are starting to realize, the persons promoting conditioned soul gurus are the cause of this type of trauma, and the only fix is to stop promoting conditioned souls as gurus. Otherwise there will be wave after wave after wave of more and more and more trauma victims. Someone just said they get their trauma therapy every day, by reading PADA, hee hee!

ys pd

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Thursday, March 14, 2024

PADA Loves Law Enforcement / P Dasi / Braja Sevaka Mayapur 03 14 24


PADA: The Berkeley law enforcement told me, these people will not eat a hamburger, but they will eat you for lunch. The Los Angeles police told me -- these people hate your guts and they want to kill you. 

There is some sort of weird problem going on here, where it seems, there are a lot of "Krishna devotees" out there who would like to see PADA editor dead. Of course, if Prabhupada was poisoned by some in this same group, then they would want to exterminate anyone who exposed these crimes -- ok like PADA. 

And then Krishna Kant meets with Jayapataka, the leader of the Mayapur homosexual and pedophile messiah's program -- that many also believe poisoned Prabhupada -- and whose program thus probably -- wants to take me out for exposing these issues. And Krishna Kant's IRM "makes a deal" with Jayapataka to send me to the Caribbean, under the Mayapur management's authority. And everyone else tells me, don't go, you will be terminated. And beware the black magic Voodoo guys over there etc. Fine vacation then! 

And then the Mathura Pati / Prabhupadanugas EU starts promoting Krishna Kant's complaints about PADA. And that simply is repeating Jayapataka's complaints about us -- exposing the poison issue and the gurukula's child beating, molesting and rapes issue. 

And these guys claim to have "defeated" Srila Prabhupada for making a poison complaint; they have defeated thousands of children for making a molesting / rape complaint; and they have defeated PADA by saying we should not sue the BBT for original books. They defeated all of PADA's complaints and King Jayapataka reigns supreme! 

Ummm, well nope. They are attempting to defend the people who are suppressing these complaints. But it is not working, because too many people already accept these complaints as valid. Of course, that means the IRM / Prabhupadanuga EU folks are helping the people who caused these complaints to be made in the first place. In short, they are STILL helping the leaders of the regime. And worse, they have been meeting with the leaders of the regime. And worse, meeting with one of the worst of those leaders, Jayapataka. 


I personally would not want to be anywhere near -- being on the side of the people who are suppressing complaints about being poisoned -- made by a pure devotee, and complaints about beatings and rapes from children. I fear lots of things, but being a participant in the team of defense attorneys for Judas poisoners of pure devotees is something I fear doing -- perhaps more than anything else possible. Never mind I would not want to be on the same team that is suppressing complaints from molesting, beatings and rapes of children victims either.

Suppressing these issues is why thousands of children have been molested, and the poisoners of pure devotees are still being worshiped as saints. You guys helped save Judas and his helpers, which makes you one of Judas helpers.

Anyway there is good news -- thanks guys -- for making me a target, because that seems to have made me a very popular celebrity with -- Law Enforcement, the FEDS, the media, the courts, various book writers, scholars like J. Stilson Judah, current media and TV folks -- who are still talking to me now, and so on and so forth. You made me a million times more noteworthy than I would have otherwise been. Even Bhakti Vikas swami told me, "You are famous around ISKCON." Gee thanks! Or maybe not, since I was always hanging on by a thread from being terminated. 

But there is also bad news. When I am six feet under, the same problems will still exist. There will still be deviants running the show in ISKCON, the ritviks will still be dysfunctional, and all the rest of it. And I will be maybe a bird flying in the sky on another planet, no longer worried about you guys! You won't have anyone to gossip about anymore!

Sorry, my departure will not fix anything for you guys, but it can't get any worse for me, so I am thinking it will be an improvement. Just forgetting about all the crap going on here will be a major improvement right out of the gate. And one of you wrote to say, three days after you are gone -- no one will remember you anymore. Goody, and I won't be here anymore to have any concern over that. Hee hee! 

But while I am still here, I am going to object to people re-writing history, especially my own, or Srila Prabhupada's history of making a poison complaint, or kids making molesting complaints, or deviants changing the books etc. But overall I feel positive, we are making progress. For example, we are getting more victims to come forward -- and one of them just told me, "telling my story on PADA made me feel good for the first time in 30 years, and now I am telling it over and over, and each time I do, I feel even better." Yeah, so these are the people we want to work with, and we are.  

ys pd

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P DASI: Hare Krishna. Please forgive me for looking at things differently, but I think you miss an essential factor. "If Krishna wants to kill you no one can save you, and if Krishna wants to save you no one can kill you." So I think it is obvious that Krishna was ready to let Srila Prabhupada leave that body which he had used for so much service for the pleasure of Krishna. 

You talk about Srila Prabhupada as if he was unprotected by Krishna. Actually the whole affair was yet another type of test for the devotees; who would be bewildered by Srila Prabhupada's passing, and who would sincerely continue with their service, following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, and keeping Krishna in the center. Srila Prabhupada said "We are not against anything, we are for Krishna." 

That is a fairly simple instruction, but can take a lifetime to perfect. Srila Prabhupada showed the people who were supplying the poison that he was not going to die because of the poison, he carried on living long after he was already supposed to have passed away considering the amount of poison which was found in his hair when it was tested sometime after his release from that mortal body. 

So I think if you have real evidence to get Bhavananda in jail for his illegal activities then for heaven's sake use it and get the man removed from the position of 'superior devotee', and if you have evidence to incriminate someone other than Tamal Krishna "Maharaja" who has been dealt with already, in the poisoning affair then go ahead and take the necessary action. 

Beyond that remember there are important services which need doing these days when millions of people are looking for relief from the media onslaught of pretending there is no difference between a man and a woman, and other crazy things like that, these days when devotees could be pushing the Krishna consciousness forward instead of harping about something which happened about 47 years ago, and which we can not undo. 

I have been showing devotees who go out on book distribution that the books which they are distributing are not the books which Srila Prabhupada wrote for us, they have been changed. This is something which can be dealt with if more devotees would get involved in saving Srila Prabhupada's books from this offense. 

And, quite frankly, I believe it is more important than lamenting over the extremely envious and nasty behaviour which a handful of devotees were involved in during the last months of Srila Prabhupada's stay on earth in the body he had during those days. No doubt he will come again when Krishna wants him to return, but can you imagine how disappointed he would be if he saw some of his disciples still alive doing nothing about the changes which have been made in his books, even though he told us many times not to change them. Hare Krishna

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"If you talk in the modern society they will laugh: "What nonsense this man is... 'By sex life one becomes conditioned.' " They cannot understand. Hare Krsna... (japa) This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyasis. And those sannyasis who have fallen, you get them married, live like a... No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous... Even there is a promise that "We shall not fall down again," that is also not believable. What is the use?"
(Room Conversation, 7th January, 1977)

"And this kind of hypocrisy--they have taken sannyasa and mixing with woman. This is not to be allowed. If you want woman you get yourself married, live respectfully. We have no objection. But this hypocrisy should be stopped. There have been so many fallen down. First of all there will be no sannyasi anymore. I have got very bad experience."
(Room Conversation, 7th January, 1977)

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https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/02/from-braja-sevaka-dasi-in-mayapura.html

PADA: Good question prabhu. How could Braja Sevaka and her husband be part of Mayapur management for decades, and they did not know about the rampant child abuse there, and the people who have been creating that program [Jayapataka and co.]. Yes, it is hard to believe. 

And recently she harassed someone who was exposing that one of the abusers was floating around Mayapur again. And in fact she was recently credited with "stabbing victims in the back." 

And she has been editing Sivarama's books, and he has been credited with stealing / plagarizing books made by various Vrndavana Babajis. In any case, yes, how could she be such a long time resident there -- and not know about the problems? I agree, it seems to be impossible to be there all this time and not know about these issues. The good news is, finally people are starting to call these people out. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

GURUKULIS CONVERSATION (Update) RE: Braja Sevaka dasi

VG: What’s so difficult for everyone in Mayapur / management to understand. A huge amount of abuse went on for many children, for many years. This was, and still is a huge majority of these children’s home. 

These children (now adults) are horrifically now having to fight for some basic basic rights. To not have see their abusers on a daily basis, to not see them worshipped and honoured, to be able to leave their homes to go to the shop and not feel sick to their stomach every time they go out, to get some closer and support for all they’ve had to endure. 

WAKE UP management. It’s not that complicated. The abusers can go literally anywhere else in world and live a peaceful life with their family away from any victims…… what is going on in our little bubble….. this is not how the real world functions…. Somehow abusers are always above the l law in our iskcon world.

GD: It’s because they either ARE the management, have power or money. 

TL: They have plenty of enablers. I'm getting the same on my side as well. no one wants to believe it until its too late. then everyone says "how could this of happened?"

GD: This!

VK: Considering the GBC are meeting right now in Mayapur, the BS threat letters to victim's needs to be addressed at the highest level. Let’s face it, the gunda mentality against victims has to stop, and really this needs to be addressed at the highest level.

SF: What's a " gunda"? Is it approx "thug", "criminal"?

JV: Have you asked this question to your Guru, Radhanath swami? You are close to him so, why don't you ask? When Jvalamukhi Kopecka met with him, he simply asked her, "Where is the proof?" Doesn't it mean Rns is behind this too? When you ask others to wake up, you should wake up first yourself??

NB: Who died and made BS Mother Superior? Sheesh. A wall indeed. No human emotion there at all.

KE: Hasn’t she pretty much always been in denial?

NB: I've had dealings with her in the past. Nothing as arrogant and self-righteous as this though. I guess that's what bathing in donkey urine for years, even decades, will do to you. Mana-siksha reference for anyone who is confused.

NE: Same. she tried to have me kicked out of mayapur and had the authorities scrambling. i didn’t live in iskcon so they couldn’t do anything. and we hadn’t even ever met.

NB: They don't care about the second or third generation. They have their converts who will tow the line and never question their intentions. It's all such a ridiculous spectacle. Our acaryas would cry to see what a mess has been hawked in their names. I feel sorry for anyone who believes this sham is what has been predicted under their divine auspices.

MJ: There is a biblical story about the wise man who built his house upon the rock. 

YP: “Pain is passed through the family line until someone is ready to feel it.”

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PADA: My experience has been -- some ex-gurukulis thank me for saving their lives and getting them some compensation -- some ex-gurukulis hate me because they think I knew a lot of stuff and was not bringing it out (I cannot make a police report -- the parents or victims have to file an official legal complaint themselves) -- some ex-gurukulis are angry I attacked their GBC guru and / or their Gaudiya Matha type guru who was acting as an enabler or advisor to the GBC gurus. 

Which proves, you cannot win them all. My main help all along has actually been the police, FBI, courts, and media, and in many ways -- they still are. I also am friends with one ex-kuli who helped me a lot, especially in broadcasting the lawsuit, but many other kulis don't like him because he was a GBC enforcer / monitor for some time, and so they don't like me for being associated with him. 

Very complex mess going on here. Overall, I wanted to help, and if my help was not enough, I apologize. At the same time -- keep in mind, I was being banned, beat, chased with bats, and my friends lives were taken and mine would have been too -- except the police saved me, literally moments before I was no longer going to be here. 

I understand how a person in this situation could become an aggressor, it is unfortunately human nature for persons in a prison camp to become help mates for the prison's managers, I understand how that can happen. I don't think blaming them is what I would do personally, they are co-victims IMHO. For that matter I am also a de facto victim of the situation -- and so blaming me is not helping anything. ys pd



Wednesday, March 13, 2024

Mayapur / HKS News / Missing Tapes / Kuli Discussion 03 13 24

 





PADA: Yeah so many people have had to suffer to make this pile of Mayapur bricks. And they are supposedly worshiping Lord Narasimgha -- a deity Who wants to protect children from abusers. And then they allegedly make Mayapur an "industrial level" child abuse regime. Sort of "off the charts hypocrisy." It is baffling and mind boggling -- allegedly worshiping the child protector God -- and simultaneously reports of making child abuse rampant. Even the outside karmi media people are bewildered how this is going on, especially in the holy land of the Krishnas.  

In short, the regime has created a place known for industrial scale child abuse, while they claim to worship the form of God who opposes child abuse. Shameless hypocrites. They are using their worship of Lord Narasimgha as an advertisement for high class child protection -- when in reality -- it seems like predators, deviants, perps, pedophiles -- and their enablers, sycophants, attack dogs etc. are protected -- and not children. 

And then the GBC and their Prabhupadanuga EU attack dog pals said PADA is "attacking the Golden Body of ISKCON" for challenging their Auschwitz for kids deviation, in the Holy Dham. But yeah, there are a lot of victims cursing anyone involved in making, sustaining and protecting this regime. As they should be cursed! 

And therefore -- "cram it to the rafters with pedophiles, thugs, rapists and enablers and enjoy." Because? The same people who created this hot mess are still in charge there. And there has been recent reported abuse and attacks on ex-victims who were challenging their abusers.

Rather amazing, people like Prabhupadanuga EU's shiksha guru hero Krishna Kant wanted me to work under their Mayapur regime's leader Jayapataka, head honcho of their abuse headquarters. And that was to help the Mayapur regime protect and enable that program. And these attack dogs did protect the regime, and that is why this deviation has been enabled, if not crammed to the rafters. 

And that is why there are still a lot of bad actors floating around there, and in other sectors of ISKCON, and all of them will be held accountable by the higher authority for creating, sustaining or enabling all this. 

So yes, shame on these Mayapur managers. And shame on their attack dogs who wanted me to work under those managers, and they still do, because they are still forwarding the complaint that I refused to work with their Mayapur boss even now. 

But hey, the good news is, more and more people are agreeing with us, probably many more every day -- Mayapur is a cesspool, and it needs to be cleaned up. And failing that, it needs to be avoided and not supported. Yeah, so PADA readership has been steadily increasing, because these issues are resonating with the population at present. 

And some devotee said to me just today, even the mundane society is now obsessed with child trafficking, child predators, child welfare and so on, and so it is natural this issue will parallel in the ISKCON society. Lets hope so!

ys pd 

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MISSING TAPES

Govinda Dasi

Both Kusha and I were at Kumbha Mela, 1977, quietly hidden behind the tent flap in Srila Prabhupada’s large tent. We could see everything and hear everything from our vantage point, but no one could see us.

There were perhaps 35 or 40 sannyasis in the tent that evening, and Srila Prabhupada was yelling at them. He was livid. He was saying things like, “This is not the meaning of sannyas, you have made a mockery of sannyas, there will be no more sannyas, I have got bad experience!” And more.

THAT TAPE IS NOT ON THE VEDABASE. 

I have looked for it. That would be during the few days in January 1977 that he stayed at the Mela. It is obvious to me that Srila Prabhupada foresaw what these men were going to do. And he tried to stop it. Like he tried so many times to stop Tamal’s ambitions.

There is also a letter to Rupanuga just after Tamal took sannyas, saying, “now that Tamal has taken sannyas, we need to find a replacement for him on the GBC … and Prabhupada makes two suggestions as replacements. But Tamal refused to get off the GBC.

Fast forward to now, and we can see that our Iskcon society was destroyed by a band of so called renunciates who stole everything and destroyed the lives of our children. Srila Prabhupada wanted sannyasis to travel and preach and householders to be managers, GBC men, because they have to deal with women, children, money and temples.

Tamal knew this, and made arrangements to pack the GBC with “his” men, and now we see the result. Now it is time to wake up and demand change. Not all sannyasis are bad, some are traveling and spreading the Holy Names.
But none of them should be in the management. They have become rich elites with no regard for the wishes of their godbrothers and sisters. And NO regard for what Srila Prabhupada wanted. They should have NO POWER in the GBC or in the BBT.

VP: Listen to what they replied to me about Govinda Dasi's last post after sharing it on whatsapp!!!

Apparently they don't know what to say....

Tusta Gaura dasa: Hare Krishna pamho AGTSP thanks for the message...on iskcon problems there are no objections.... on the solution there are ...that of leaving ...where you go?

1) you don't solve the problem but you avoid it

2) if you care about the mission what is the point of leaving to do what? (Sitting at home behind a keyboard throwing poop left and right?)

3) the solution is to stay do the best of ourselves (singing the rounds etc...) to satisfy SP ...then who / what does this or that is their (karma) business.

4) as we have an eternal personal relationship with Sri Krishna so we have to develop an eternal individual personal relationship with Srila Prabhupada regardless of our neighboring roommates then in the end ... moral of the story our Yamaharaj sees what we have done not what others have done...so we stay within and give inspiration and try to be role models thank you very much. 

Ys

This is another response from Prabhupada Desh, Italian temple president:
Guru Charana dasa: Please don't send me any more of your material because I have no interest in it. Over the years I have learned that continuing to look for faults instead of good qualities in devotees does not give any spiritual benefit. 

I prefer to use the time to do something useful for Srila Prabhupada's pleasure.
So if you keep sending other things (the usual rumors we have known for years) I will be forced to block you. (on whatt'sapp) On the other hand, if you are interested in hearing other points of view with an open mind and without prejudice I am available to meet with you.


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KULI DISCUSSION UPDATE


AD: Especially for females in midlife, it’s no longer optional to Mother and birth ourselves. It’s a must! How the F*ck do we begin!?! I feel, see and lift you, in love. Pictures are so rare. This one is when I’m 3 years old, right before I was kidnapped so I could be raised as a devotee. I’m learning to love her, the old Me.

PH: I'm sorry for all you went through BUT I fully support your courage in speaking out in this manner and for choosing how you will deal with your past reality. In my opinion you've certainly come out on the right and bright side of things and are a fine example of true spirituality and community. And with the next week in sight, Hara Hara Maha Dev!

TC: I'm so proud for you to not only help bring these atrocities to light, but choosing to courageously withhold your own historical account until it can be released to the world as just that ... a proper historical documentary of what transpired, not some gross misconstrued fantasy. You survived through some heavy childhood trauma, which will take so much healing throughout the rest of our lifetimes to find a bit of peace from. 

Gabor Maté does some phenomenal trauma work, and I wonder if by some miracle we could have his assistance with helping you on your healing journey. I'm here with you, every step of your journey. 

RB: About 20 years ago, I sponsored about a dozen Gurukulies to go through the Self Mastery Workshop here in California. It was intensely healing for all of them. It was perhaps one of the most worthwhile things I did while married to K.

Now that I'm retired from my business dealings, it is time to start up these workshops again. Also, about 20 years ago, I was planning on participating with Dhira Govinda Das in developing his workshops which, although I couldn't extract myself from my business at the time, have been extremely helpful to that deeply wounded generation.

This is something I would like to facilitate as I move into my last phase of life. All of the souls that took birth in this movement are special indeed, and deserve the highest possible quality of life available to them. It is intolerable to me to see their faith destroyed by sick individuals who could not control themselves. Anyone reading this is welcome to contact me to see how this can be facilitated. It takes a village to raise a child, and sometimes, it takes a village to heal their wounds as well.

Sending peace, love, and blessings!

A Kuli: Thank you for your care, now and then. You've always been one to seek ways to help and I sincerely appreciate you. 

RB: Craig Joseph I'm sorry to hear that you have been in hospital. I hope your health is improving steadily and rapidly! Thank you so much for your encouragement and wisdom, Prabhu!

PADA: Nanda Kumar / Craig Joseph is evidently avoiding me. He said that he was there in 1977 when all the leaders were laughing like hyenas as Srila Prabhupada was departing, and he knew something very sinister was taking place. So he had to either attack them, or leave, and he left. Yep, most of the people who knew about bad things going on -- just walked away and left, and that allowed the bad things to get worse. Including evidently, poisoning of the pure devotee. 

I recently have been taking shelter of the memory videos of the devotees" pastimes with Srila Prabhupada. Yours are especially heartfelt and I had been meaning to thank you!

What I concluded is that because he is so dear to Krishna, Srila Prabhupada's pastimes are also ever fresh, and I can listen to the same stories again and again and feel renewed inspiration. Thank you again for sincerely sharing your time with him. You are touching many devotees' hearts - and mine as well!

TD: The sad thing is the past has been buried from the new generation. No one talks about it because you'll be branded as a fault finder or being criticizing and of course ur association is avoided. Also they is still the denial that it didn't happen the way the abused will talk about it. The horrible part for me is when people who wasn't around the movement as yet talk as if they know exactly what happened.

I truly feel for those who suffered I know of some and are friends with a few. There are still abusers going around in different ways. I've always said Iskcon is an abusive organization. Be it physically, verbally or in the way we deal with each other.

I have known you for some time and I applaud your strength and courage. I pray that Sri Krsna continue to give you the strength and protection to carry on.....

A Kuli: THIS!!!THIS is so important that someone from my generation does not have to say! THANK YOU!!! Yes, we have experienced this our whole lives ... that if we speak up, we are crazy, that we are not good association, that we are creating the most spiritual suicide by being critical, ('vaishnav aparad') by speaking the truth about their behavior. 

When I was there after I graduated from college, the head Swami of the place told me exactly these words "we are going to write a book to re write the history of this place" I cringed. ... he was speaking honestly to me, in confidence, because he thought I was somehow still trying to protect the secrets of the place. I lost all respect at that time, and didn't think it was possible...but here we are. Truly a tragedy in the name of Srila Prabhupada and his some of the real devotees.

PADA: Same problem we are having with some of the so-called ritviks, they are challenging my version of history, but unfortunately, that is not going to work for them. If anything, the PADA version is gaining momentum all the time.

NV: Radhe Radhe!

YV: Respect to you for your bravery in speaking the truth!

MJ: I'm glad we kept our children in regular schools and at home, close to us. I pray for your healing!

MT: It wounds the heart to learn of these crimes ...

DM: Oh, Dear-hearted… I want to hold you in this… hold space for you. I’m looking forward to Space opening up in my life so we can commune. 

CM: I hope you tell your own story when the time is right, and are met in attuned compassion in the process. In the pieces I have heard, it’s amazing the grace and beauty and reclamation of spirit as your own that you have accomplished divine child essence. Love all the time.

A Kuli: Thank you sweet heart! Your blessings, so thoughtful, poignant and heart felt bless you and thank you again.

SW: Hey, I’m sorry to hear that. If you’d like to DM me with information such as what state you or a friend reside in; which insurance; etc, I can help you find competent clinicians.

OZ: www.thework.com was the best thing I found to liberate me from the past

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SB: My great love to you. I know all too much about it, despite having not been there and getting out of the Joya cult when I was one years old, those who stayed in, was very bad and all around my childhood peripherally. Silence is complicity. 

AM: What a beautiful girl you were. What an amazing woman you have become. I hope you will find a good guide to help you heal the hurts of your past. I’ve had excellent therapists through BetterHelp.com perhaps explore there? All blessings to you, sweet songbird…

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GD: I’m so sorry Didi, sending so much love and hugs.

AK: Sending you lots of Love, my big sister who I always fought with, probably because we had no mother or role models for nurturing, sweet. loving kindness, sharing and / or compassion. Think of you often and pray for your healing. I am so grateful to Amma for how She has mothered and nurtured me to the extent my hardened little girl has been able to receive after going thru all that.

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