Sunday, March 26, 2017

Injured Cowherd Lady Needs Assitance

https://www.gofundme.com/karunamayis-medical-care

PADA: Yep, how did you guess, guys like Jayapataka swami, Radhanath swami, Hari Sauri, Gopal Krishna swami, Lokanath swami, Bhakti Vikas swami etc are all supporting their GBC guru program which is spending $20,000,000 suing the rtiviks, and some of their people said they would spend THE NEXT 100 YEARS suing the ritviks at a cost of over $100,000,000. 

Yep, there is always $100 million extra bucks of spare change laying around doing nothing, so it can be used to hire lawyers to sue the devotees, so they can kick the devotees out and have more EMPTY TEMPLES. But if a devotee is serving Krishna and HELPING cows, and they get injured, why is it -- the GBC cupboard is always seemingly bare, and there are not even two cents in there apparently? 

Wow, there is readily $100 million dollars laying around to be used to BUY MORE AND MORE NEW MERCEDES for lawyers, but zip, nada, zlich, to help the injured citizens? Another devotee we know is in hospital and is getting surgery for $15,000, maybe more, and this devotee is worried they won't have rent money. Oh, I forgot, this devotee is not a lawyer, so does not deserve any funds or help. ys pd 

Gopal Champu (by Srila Jiva Goswami) pt. 2


29. The realm of Gokula is full of all glories and opulences. As we will describe later in this book following the descriptions in Srimad Bhagavatam, it is the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is an ocean of mercy, after leaving His ocean abode, entered. This is Lord Krsna's own abode and the abode of His cowherd people. This is the place where, by entering and then leaving the waters of delightful Brahma Lake, and by revealing His Vaikuntha opulences to Akrura, and by accepting the prayers of the Vedas Personified, Lord Krsna revealed the truth of His human like pastimes in Vrndavana. 

He thus filled His associates with wonder. And even now the wise devotees take shelter and directly see the Supreme Lord's pastimes, and where, according to Hari-vamsa's description of Govindabhiseka (Krsna's coronation), King Indra came to understand that Krsna is the all-pervading Supreme Personality of Godhead. And the Lord's entourage is including the forest of Vrndavana and the surrounding area, some say this is situated in the spiritual sky, far above the coverings of the material world, and is where devotees take shelter of the spiritual ground where Lord Krsna enjoys many pastimes. 

And this is where Lord Krsna manifested His spiritual form, a form described in Brahma-samhita and many other scriptures. In this abode Lord Krsna enjoys many manifest and unmanifest pastimes, described in these scriptures. This abode of Gokula is also described in Brahma-samhita, which affirms (5.56, 2, 4, and 5) 

30-31. I worship that seat known as Svetadvipa, where as loving consorts the Laksmis in their unalloyed spiritual essence practice the amorous service of the Supreme Lord Krsna as their only lover, where every tree is a transcendental purpose tree, where the soil is full of spiritual gems, all water is nectar, every word is a song, every gait is a dance, and the flute is the favorite attendant of the residents. 

This abode is full of self-effulgence and transcendental bliss, and the supreme spiritual entities are all enjoyable by the Lord, where numberless milk cows always emit transcendental oceans of milk, where there is eternal existence of transcendental time, who is ever present and without past or future and hence is not subject to the quality of passing away even for the space of half a moment. That realm is known as Goloka to only a very few self realized souls in this world. 

32. "The super excellent station of Krsna, which is known as Gokula, has thousands of petals and a corolla like that of a lotus sprouted from a part of His infinite aspect, the whorl of the leaves being the actual abode of Krsna." 

"The whorl of that eternal realm of Goloka is the hexagonal abode of Krsna. Its petals are the abodes of gopis who are part and parcel of Krsna to whom they are most lovingly devoted and are similar in essence. The petals shine so beautifully like so many walls. The extended leaves of that lotus are the garden-like dhama, i.e. the spiritual abode of Sri Radhika, the most beloved of Krsna." 

33 -36. "There is a mysterious quadrangular place named Svetadvipa surrounding the outskirts of Gokula. Svetadvipa is divided into four parts on all sides. The abodes of Vasudeva, Sankarsana, Pradyumna, and Aniruddha are separately located in each of these four parts. These four divided abodes are enveloped by the four fold human requirements such as piety, wealth, passion, and liberation, as also by the four Vedas, viz. Rg, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva, which deal with the mantra and which are the basis of achievements of the fourfold mundane requirements. 

Ten tridents are fixed in the ten directions, including the zenith and nadir. The eight directions are decorated with the eight jewels of Mahapadma, Padma, Sankha, Makara, Kacchapa, Mukunda, Kunda, and Nila. There are ten protectors (dik — palas) of the ten directions in the form of mantra. The associates of the hues of blue, yellow, red, and white, and the extraordinary potencies bearing the names of Vimala etc., shine on all sides." 

37. "I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor, who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built in spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of laksmis or gopis." 

38. In the Vamana Purana it is said: "Studded with jewels and glorious with colorful mineral pigments, Govardhana Hill is glorious in Gokula. Its banks studded with jewels, the Yamuna, the best of rivers flows in Gokula." 

39. The evidence of the scripture will be the resting place of this poem. That evidence will be like a board where I paint the picture that is this poem. 

40. Because it is the home of the cows and cowherd people, Lord Krsna's abode is called by the name "Goloka" (the world of the cows), and because it is untouched by matter and therefore is supremely pure, it is also called by the name "Svetadvipa" (the white island). Some few wise souls in this world know that this is the supreme realm, the highest realm. 

Therefore the transcendental Goloka and the transcendental Svetadvipa both mentioned in the Brahma-samhita verse quoted here in text 3 are the same place. 

41. That is the proper, logical conclusion. The word "sriyah" means the blissful and independent gopis. In the other Vaikuntha realms there is only one Goddess Sri (Laksmi), but in Goloka there are many sriyahs. Therefore Goloka's glory is without limit. These many sris are the gopis, who are described in the great mantra "gopijana-vallabhaya svaha." Brahma-samhita verse quoted here in text 3 is in the nominative plural and refers to these associates. 

42. Here we accept not only the customary meaning of the word "Sri" but Sukadeva Gosvami uses the general meaning of the word "Sri", which there means "Goddess Laksmi." In Brahma-samhita 5.29 (quoted here in text 37) Lord Brahma uses the word "Sri" in its special sense. There the word means "the gopis". The words "Sri" and "gopi" are like the words "kuru" and "pandava". 

In one sense they are not different, but in another sense there is a distinction. The most exalted Sri is Goddess Radha rani. This is described in the Padma, Skanda, Varaha, Matsya, and other Puranas, and also in the Govinda-Vrndavana Tantra. What more need be said? It is said: this also has a special meaning, namely "gopi".  

43. Of all women, the Laksmis are the best. Among the Laksmis, the gopis are the best. Among the gopis, Radha rani is the best. What girl is more beautiful and playful like Srimate Radha rani? 

44. All the gopis share the same lover. His name is Govinda (Krsna), and He is the glory of Gokula. One by one, he enjoys pastimes with each of the beautiful gopis. He is the best of all lovers of beautiful girls. 

45. Bewildered by Yogamaya, the gopis believe they are other's wives and are thus bewildered. The use here of the word "sri" (goddess of fortune) and "parama purusa" (the Supreme Personality of Godhead) prove that their idea is untrue. Quoting many passages from scripture, this I will explain later in this book. Krsna is their paramour. 

46. The same truth applies also to Lord Balarama. 

47. As explained in Brahma-samhita 5.56 (quoted here in text 3), because they have the power to fulfill all desires, all trees in Goloka are kalpa-vrksa trees (purpose trees). Not only are those trees glorious, but they are very extraordinary and rare. In their very nature kalpa-vrksa trees have very extraordinary qualities. 

48. Furthermore, the land in Goloka is splendid to touch and splendid to see, splendid like a great mirror. It is a great monsoon of splendour. It is filled with cintamani jewels. 

49. It is more beautiful and more glorious than any place in the fourteen worlds. Its palaces and buildings are all made of cintamini jewels. The great beauty of its trees and plants and flowers always takes birth in the devotee's heart. 

50. It is said: That the sights and sounds of the different kinds of beautiful hills, birds, and beasts there fill the people of Goloka with wonder. 

51. In Goloka all water is like nectar. What is the nectar of this world in comparison to that nectar? In Goloka all words are song, are like nectar poured into the ears. What are the songs of this world in comparison to those songs? In Goloka all walking is the most graceful dance. Those dances are very glorious and charming. 

52. In Goloka Lord Krsna's flute sings very sweetly and playfully. That flute is Krsna's dear friend. No one is fortunate like that flute. 

53. Goloka is full of transcendental bliss. By the power of the Lord's of the material world, are manifested in Goloka. By the Lord's potency are manifest there a sun, moon, and stars, and other things very beautiful and charming. Still, Goloka is not at all like the material world. In Goloka are none of the inevitable transformations that make the material worlds so temporal and horrible, instead there are unparalleled transcendental potencies and His infinite pastimes. 

54. In the course of its description of the five tattvas, in the Haya sirsa pancaratra the things in Vaikuntha are described in these words: "In the spiritual world the flowers and everything else are fragrant and very pleasing to the senses. Everything there is full of nectar." 

55. "There unpleasant things do not exist. Everything there is nectar. The fruits there have no skin, seed, hardness, or anything unpleasant. Please know that nothing there is made of matter." 

56. In Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.14.37) it is said: "My dear Lord, Your Vrndavan pastimes are simply to enthuse Your devotees. If someone takes Your Vrndavana pastimes to be material, he will be misled." In these words the demigod Brahma says, "0 Lord, Your surrendered devotees participate in Your pastimes, eternal, spiritual pastimes that are like an imitation of the activities of the material world. I cannot participate in these eternal pastimes as they can." 

57. In these words of the demigod Brahma the first sentence describes participating in the Lord's pastimes and the second sentence also describes participating in Lord's pastimes. 

58. The first sentence refers to the transcendental potency that manifests pastimes according to the Lord's will. The second sentence also refers to the Lord's potency, the same potency that manifests all the Lord's pastimes. 

59. When Lord Krsna plays the flute, the surabhi cows become completely enchanted. The cows then make many great rivers of fragrant milk flow from the great mountains of their udders, rivers that join to become an ocean, an ocean of milk like a great moat surrounding Goloka on all sides. These cows are kamadhenu cows, cows that fulfil all desires, for from them flows an ocean of milk. 

60. The wise devotees know that many different rivers of many different kinds of nectar flow in Goloka. 

61. Furthermore, Lord Krsna's parents, brother, friends, and other associates of different ages, some in kaisora (childhood), some in nava-yauvana (new youth), some in yauvana (youth), some in ardha-vardhakya (middle age), and some in other ages. They keep these ages eternally. They do not grow older. 

62. In the middle of the face of Goloka is a jewel lotus of many thousands of petals. Lord Krsna affirms the world of Gokula is His very self. He says; "I am Vraja, the home of the cowherd people and their cows." 

63. Here the ordinary meaning of the word "Gokula" (a multitude of cows) should be rejected. It is said: "A definition accepted by tradition and custom takes precedence over a definition based on mere etymology." The word "jalaja" may be taken as an example. The etymological definition is "anything born in water." However in tradition and custom this word is used to mean "lotus flower." In the same way "gokula" here refers not to a multitude of cows, but to a specific place. 

64. Srila Sukadeva Gosvami uses the word "gokula" in this way when he says (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.10.39): "Sri Krsna is the master of Gokula." In this passage the "gokulesvara" is an example of the pratyaya varac. Another example of this usage is seen in these words from the Vedas: "Gokula is a forest in Vaikuntha." 

65. In this way is gloriously manifest the abode of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who enjoys pastimes as Nanda's son. That abode is made of jewels and filled with glorious variety. Its limitless variety is manifested from Lord Ananta Sesa. It is said: 

66. In the filament of the lotus flower of Goloka are the abodes where the kind gopas, gopas who think Krsna is their only treasure, reside. 

67. In this verse the word "daya" means "treasure", and "dayadayah" means "they who think Krsna is their only treasure." 

68. The word "dayadayah" is a bahuvrihi-samasa. As the word "bahuvrihi" means "a person who has a great store of rice," so the word "dayadayah" means "a person who has a great store of love for Lord Krsna." Such a person takes shelter of Lord Krsna. 

69. The word "dayadayah" may also be interpreted to mean kinsmen. That many of the cowherd people were Krsna's kinsmen is explained by Sri Sukadeva Gosvami in these words (Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.36.15): "Krsna was already the life and soul of the inhabitants of Vrndavana, and after killing this demon in the shape of a bull, He became the cynosure of all eyes. With Balarama He triumphantly entered Vrndavana village, and the inhabitants glorified Him and Balarama with great jubilation. When a person performs some wonderful feat, his kinsmen and relatives and friends naturally become jubilant." 

70. The petals of the Goloka lotus are many forests where the gopis, who are all expansions of the goddess of fortune, enjoy pastimes. As it is said in Brahma-samhita (5.29): "In those abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, Lord Krsna enjoys pastimes." 

71. Lord Krsna made Radha the queen of Goloka. That is described in the Puranas. There it is also said that Krsna has fallen under the spell of Radha's transcendental qualities. This I know. 

72. The words "Sri" and "parama-purusa" in Brahma-samhita refer to Lord Krsna and the gopis. If they did not, then why would these verses describe the lotus-petal world of Vraja? 

73. From the center of the lotus flower of Gokula came many raised and slightly jeweled petals connected by various paths. In the midst of these petals many cowherd towns and villages are gloriously manifested. In this way Gokula is known. 

74. Seeing that the time has come to milk the cows, Krsna and the gopas bring the cows to the barns made of jewels, barns surrounded by lotus flowers and kalpa-vrksa trees. 

75. Surrounding the lotus flower of Gokula is a quadrangular place. This splendid islands outside that place are called by the names Svetadvipa and Goloka. Beyond those islands is a great ocean. Beyond that ocean are lands that are a great variety of wonderful planets where suffering does not exist. On the petals of the Gokula lotus are many forests known by the name "Keli-Vrndavana" (Pastime Vrndavana). This is described in the following words from the Pancaratras: "In the great world of Vrndavan are many pastimes of Vrndavan forests." entire place is called by the name Vrndavana. The places that are like great 

76. Streams of nectar flow everywhere from that lotus flower of Gokula. In the south and west are bumblebee mountains that sip the stream of nectar. The king of the mountains is jewel-summit delightful Mount Govardhana. 

77. With many charming jewel boulders, the mountain named Govardhana offers a sitting place for Lord Krsna. With the cooing of many birds Govardhana offers Lord Krsna a welcome. With its swiftly flowing streams filled with lotus flowers, durva grass, and syamaka seeds, Govardhana offers padya. With limitless new shoots of darbha grass growing deer-hoofprint puddles, Govardhana offers arghya. With ponds where jati, lavanga and kakkola grow on the shores Govardhana offers acamaniya. With fresh, fresh, yoghurt, ghee, and honey Govardhana offers madhuparka. With water from a clear spring at its summit Govardhana offers bathing water. With golden tree bark, fine like silk, Govardhana offers garments. 

With fragrant powders, sandal paste, and red and white minerals Govardhana offers fragrant ointment. With blooms of malati vines and other vines Govardhana offers pleasing flowers. With the dust raised by the surabhi cows hooves Govardhana offers incense. With the glistening of its many jewels Govardhana offers a glittering lamp even in the daytime. With charming gunja, peacock feathers, clusters of flowers, and many other pleasing objects, Govardhana offers ornaments. 

With pleasing fruits and roots Govardhana offers delicious meals. With cool flower-scented water mixed with fragrant and pure tulasi leaves Govardhana offers water to rinse the mouth. With campaka flowers and other glorious blooming flowers moving in the gentle breeze Govardhana offers arati. With budding nakula flowers and other trees Govardhana offers a graceful parasol. With blooming branches moving in the breezes from the Malaya Hills,  Govardhana offers the service of fanning Lord Krsna. 

With the dancing of the cooing peacocks Govardhana offers a festival of dancing. When, attracted by Krsna's flute music carried by the breeze, a gopi comes, Govardhana prepares a soft couch of flowers. With the cuckoos cooing Govardhana makes sweet singing. Gazing at Lord Krsna and performing these services to please Him, Govardhana Hill confirms his reputation as the best of the Lord's servants. 

78. Near Govardhana Hill is his companion, delightful Manasa-ganga, who melts with love for Lord Krsna. Manasa-ganga s name is explained in this verse: 

79: With a slight touch from the feet of Lord Vamana, who is an amsa incarnation of Lord Krsna, the Ganga river, which washes away all sins, came to this world and was carried on Lord Siva's head. What then can be said of the peerless Ganga brought to this world by Lord Krsna Himself, Lord Krsna who always stays with the people of Vraja, people more exalted and glorious than Brahma, Siva, and Laksmi? 

80. The Yamuna, which is also called by the name "Kalindi" (daughter of Mount Kalinda), enjoys pastimes in the northern and eastern terrace of the blissful land of Vraja. It is described in these words: When Krsna does not play His flute, the Yamuna flows with waters like melted sapphires. When Krsna does play His flute, the Yamuna, stunned in ecstasy, becomes like the land paved with sapphires. In these ways, as either water or land the Yamuna serves Lord Krsna. 

81. The lotus flowers that grow in her waters are the eyes with which she gazes at Lord Krsna. Her whirlpools are the ears with which hears about Krsna. Her fish are the nose with which she smells the fragrance of Lord Krsna. Her waves are the arms with which she embraces Lord Krsna. Her swans and cranes are the mouth with which she glorifies Lord Krsna. Her waters are the servant with which she glorifies Lord Krsna. What kind of goddess is Yamuna-devi, that she serves Lord Krsna in these ways? 

82. The sages make this guess about the Yamuna's waters: Staying always in the forests of Vraja, the Yamuna nourishes all the lakes. Look. With her waters the Yamuna fills all the lakes. 

83. It is also said: In some places by the Yamuna's shores lotuses and water lilies grow by the water's edge, in other places are forests filled with many glorious flowers, in other places are the sweet sounds of peacocks, cuckoos, or bumblebees, and in other places are beautiful marks of rasa dances. All these places always delight the eyes, ears and nose. 

84. It is also said: Its great branches extending from one side to the other, a banyan tree is like a bridge across the Yamuna. Playing on that bridge, again and again the cowherd boys cross from one side to the other. 

85. It is also said: In one place it had a hollow like a palace. In another place it had a delightful branch like a couch. In another place was a vine-covered branch like a swing. What pastime-place did that banyan tree not provide for Lord Krsna7 86. North of that banyan tree is Rama-ghatta, where Krsna enjoys pastimes with Balarama. 

87. In the sky above Goloka the most exalted demigods, the demigods worshiped by the rulers of the planets, fly in their airplanes. There the caturvyuha expansions headed by Lord Vasudeva stand guard with Their armies. Of what use are petty human goals in Goloka? 

88. The place named Goloka is supremely glorious. How can anyone say it with glory. To the followers of religion it is wonderful religious deeds personified. To they who meditate on the Supreme it is the bliss of seeing the Supreme directly. To the devotees of the Lord it is ecstatic love for Him. Thus, according to the different conceptions, they all see Goloka in different ways, is it ordinary? To the demi-gods it is an ocean of nectar. 

89. It is also said: "What glory is this? What wonders are these? What kind of dancing is this? What world is this? What kind of love is this, love standing before us like a person, love glorified by Sukadeva Gosvami?" The demi-gods ruling the planets question and guess in these ways. Day after day they feel bewilderment in awe about Lord Krsna's abode. 

90. Lord Krsna's world of Goloka is beyond the material intelligence's power of understanding. Even so, that spiritual world forcibly enters the intelligence: I do not hanker after material sense objects, objects that sometime bring pleasure and sometimes bring no pleasure. I speak the truth. Krsna, Krsna's eternal world, and the souls who love Krsna have placed in me the hankering to see Them. 

91. When they hear of Goloka's wonderful glories, the people in numberless millions of material universes and even in the Vaikuntha worlds yearn to go there. What to speak of them, even Goddess Laksmi yearns to go to Goloka. Accompanied by His friends and kinsmen, Lord Krsna eternally enjoys glorious pastimes in Goloka. Again and again plunged in Goloka's sweetness, my heart yearns to go there. 

92. Ah! What am I doing? I have rashly begun a description of Goloka. I do not see how I will have the power to complete my description. 

Deity Worship Best Benediction for Neophytes

Saturday, March 25, 2017

New Prabhupada Bhakta Writes

Purujit dasa: 

WHAT A NEW BHAKTA READY TO TAKE INITIATION FROM PRABHUPADA IN OUR BLISS VINODOL CENTER WROTE: 

If we want to receive some information, we must inquire from authority with respect. It is just like going at the university. You go there and you listen from the teacher. Teacher says, "This is like that and this is like that....". We go at school, because we do not know something. So our position is inferior. If we will rebel against the authority, who is superior, we can´t learn anything. The teacher has some information and experience with particular subject, so he knows how it works and all the details. 

He is passing the information from another authoritative sources (previous teachers), from which he was learning that information and the same thing is also applied for the others in such a succession. If the authority is bona fide that is another question, but we should at least try to understand the principle, how it functions. 

Let´s say yo want to go to some nice place, like California, very nice weather is there, warm, palms, see nice people. And some person come to you and he says, "Sir, I have been there and it is very nice place, you should go to look there." That person has an experience with such a place, he describes all the details etc., so he is authority. 

He shows you also some nice photos taken from there and like that. And than he says to you how to get there, the process. You go on such and such plane and you board off at such and such place and that´s it. But he knows also many other people, who have been there and they are saying to us the same thing. So we can have some trust in them. The only thing to do is our initiation. 

If we take up the process, earn some money for ticket, get the right plane at certain time, board off at certain airport etc. the result become tangible. "Oh yes, he and the others were ac tually right, it is such a nice place, I am going to stay here forever." The same thing is wih our Krishna consciousness. 

We should also trust out spiritual master, who, by the way, must be 100% sure about the message he is passing via parampara beginning with Krishna Himself. "Therefore, the conclusion is that a spiritual master who is one hundred percent Kṛṣṇa conscious is the bona fide spiritual master, for he can solve the problems of life." (B.G. 2.8) 

Even 99,9% are not sufficient, because the missing part is also part of The Absolute Truth. If we go to measure 100cm with 99cm long ruler, we can not measure the missing part, so we do not have the experience with the missing part and in this way we can not understand the whole picture. In such a way spiritual master is showing us, how Krishna is beautiful, how to get there, but the only thing is the same as in previous example - to take our initiation. The parampara is so extensive and stable, so why should not we trust such authority at least theoretically. 

If we hear submissively from nonsense guy, we become nonsense as well. And if we hear like hogs and dogs from even right source, it is useless, because the message is lost and not preserved.So both the submissive hearing and the right source are very essential.

bhakta filipji

Govinda Ghosh Disappearance day- Agradwip Mela



Govinda Ghosh Disappearance day- Agradwip Mela 

On Papamocani ekadasi day, Govinda ghosh, an eternal associate of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu disappeared. Gopinath jiu (Govinda Ghosh’s beloved deity) held Kusa grass in His fingers to perform Shraddha ceremony of Govinda ghosh. This was as per His promise to Govinda Ghosh and this practice is continued till today. Shri Govinda Ghosh was known for his sweet kirtans at the annual Jagannatha Ratha-Yatra festival. He and his two brothers, Vasudeva and Madhava, are eternal associates of Shri Chaitanya and Shri Nityananda. 

The Lord would immediately begin dancing whenever the Ghosh brothers would sing. The Ghosh brothers preached throughout their lives with music and song. As Kalavati-sakhi, Govinda Ghosh sings sweetly for Radha-Govindaji in Goloka Vrindavana. His samadhi is in the 64 Samadhis Area. Agradvipa is a small town, near katwa, situated on the west side of Ganga. Shri Govinda, Madhava and Vasudeva Ghosha lived there. On this day, thousands of pilgrims visit Agradvip to celebrate this festival. 

Glories of Govinda Ghosh : 

 Sri Govinda Ghosh, an intimate associate of Lord Caitanya, was known for his sweet kirtans at the annual Jagannatha Puri Ratha- yatra festival. Lord Caitanya would at once begin to dance whenever Govinda Ghosh would sing. Govinda Ghosh and his brothers Vasudeva and Madhava are eternal associates of Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda Prabhu. He made his home in Agradvipa, Vasudeva in Tamluk, and Madhava Ghosh in Dain Hat. Govinda Ghosh Thakur’s house is not far from Agradvipa in Kashipura Vishnutala. 

Some are of the opinion that Vaishnavatala was his birthplace. Govinda Ghosh participated in Mahaprabhu’s lilas in Srivasa Angan, in the nagara-sankirtan to the Kazi’s house, and in the house of Raghava Pandit. During the Rathayatra festival, he was the lead singer in the fourth kirtan group, accompanied by his two brothers, Chota Hari Das, Vishnu Das and Raghava Pandit. 

Vakresvara Pandit joined this group as the principal dancer. On Mahaprabhu’s direction, Govinda revealed the Gopinath deity from a black stone in Agradvipa. Mahaprabhu also instructed him to get married. The story goes that Govinda Ghosh’s wife and son both died untimely. As he grew older, Govinda began to wonder who would perform the last rites for him, as it is considered important for one to have a son who can do the shraddha ceremony on his behalf. 

He had a dream in which Gopinath appeared to him and said, “Don’t worry about this. I will perform the shraddha ceremony for you myself.” When Govinda Ghosh finally passed away, Gopinath offered the pinda on his behalf. Gopinath continues to perform this ceremony every year on the anniversary of Govinda Ghosh’s departure from this world. This takes place on the krishna trayodashi of the month of Chaitra. 

Vasudeva Ghosh’s disappearance day is on the second day of the waxing moon in the month of Kartik. Sri Sri Radha-Gopinath deities were worshiped by Srila Govinda Ghosa at Agaradwip, on the order of Sri Caitanya Maharpabhu. Every year there is a big mela at Agradwip where still today Sri Gopinath deities offer pinda dana or grains to Sri Govinda Ghosh. On His route to Krsnanagar Raj Bhari or palace, He gives darshan at Navadvipa ghat. This is once in a year special darshan. 

Sri Govinda Ghosa and the Pinda dan lila: The three brothers, Sri Vasudeva Ghosa, Sri Madhava Ghosa and Sri Govinda Ghosa were very expert singers. Sri Nityananda Prabhu Himself would dance as they sang. [C.B. Antya 5.259] When Mahaprabhu set out for Sri Vrindavana from Nilacal with His devotees, Govinda Ghosa was also present. There is an incident described by one Acyutacarana Caudhuri. 

One day, Mahaprabhu, after accepting his noon meal, extended his hand, thus requesting some hari-taki (dried fruit which aids in digestion). Govinda immediately ran out to bring some from some householders in the village near where they were staying. The next day when Mahaprabhu similarly extended His hand after lunch, Govinda again placed in it some hari-taki. Mahaprabhu looked at him and inquired as to how he was ab le to provide it so quickly whereas yesterday it had required some time to bring. Govinda replied that he had kept some for Mahaprabhu from yesterday. Mahaprabhu said that since he was saving things he should remain in that village and, becoming a householder, he should worship Sri Gopinathaji there. 

As per the order of Mahaprabhu, Govinda began to worship Gopinathji, and after marrying he had a son who would also assist him in the worship of the Deity. But his wife and then later his son passed on to the next world. Govinda became very sad. In a fit of anger he lay down on his bed. He didn't cook anything that day, neither he ate anything, neither did he offer anything to Gopinathaji. 

In the night, Gopinatha came and began to massage Govinda's legs. Then He asked him, "I don't understand your intelligence. One of your sons dies, and you decide, "Whats the point in feeding the other one - let him die also." Govinda replied, "I don't know what you're talking about. I had only one son." "Am I not also your son? You are feeding Me and taking care of Me as your son. 

Now when I am dependent on you, you decide to neglect Me all together." "Well, anyway, now there's no one to perform my sraddha and the offering of pinda to my forefathers.Will You do that?" "Yes, I can do it. Why not? So now will you give Me something to eat?" Having heard Gopinatha's reply, Govinda was very happy and got up to prepare an offering. 

To this day, the Deity dresses in a plain white cloth and with a kusa grass ring on His finger, He offers pinda on the disappearance day of Govinda Ghosa Thakura. Gopinathaji's temple is a rickshaw ride away from Agradwip railway station on the Navadwip-Katwa line. 


Govinda Ghosh in Chaitanya-charitamrita: 

nityānande ājñā dila yabe gauḍe yāite mahāprabhu ei dui dilā tāṅra sāthe ataeva dui-gaṇe duṅhāra gaṇana mādhava-vāsudeva ghoṣerao ei vivaraṇa 

Translation: When Nityānanda Prabhu was ordered to go to Bengal to preach, these two devotees [Śrī Rāmadāsa and Gadādhara dāsa] were ordered to go with Him. Thus they are sometimes counted among the devotees of Lord Caitanya and sometimes among the devotees of Lord Nityānanda. Similarly, Mādhava Ghoṣa and Vāsudeva Ghoṣa belonged to both groups of devotees simultaneously. 

Purport: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura writes in his Anubhāṣya, “There is a place named Dāṅihāṭa, near the Agradvīpa railway station and Pāṭuli in govinda, mādhava, vāsudeva — tina bhāi yāṅ-sabāra kīrtane nāce caitanya-nitāi Translation: The three brothers Govinda, Mādhava and Vāsudeva were the eighty-second, eighty-third and eighty-fourth branches of the tree. Lord Caitanya and Nityānanda used to dance in their kīrtana performances. Purport: The three brothers Govinda, Mādhava and Vāsudeva Ghoṣa all belonged to a kāyastha family. Govinda established the Gopīnātha temple in Agradvīpa, where he resided. 

Mādhava Ghoṣa was expert in performing kīrtana. No one within this world could compete with him. He was known as the singer of Vṛndāvana and was very dear to Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu. It is said that when the three brothers performed saṅkīrtana, immediately Lord Caitanya and Nityānanda would dance in ecstasy. According to the Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā (188), the three brothers were formerly Kalāvatī, Rasollāsā and Guṇatuṅgā, who recited the songs composed by Śrī Viśākhā-gopī. 

The three brothers were among one of the seven parties that performed kīrtana when Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu attended the Ratha-yātrā festival at Jagannātha Purī. Vakreśvara Paṇḍita was the chief dancer in their party. This is vividly described in the Madhya-līlā, chapter thirteen, verses 42 and 43. the district of Burdwan, where the Deity of Śrī Gopīnāthajī is still situated. This Deity accepted Govinda Ghoṣa as His father. Even until today, the Deity performs the śrāddha ceremony on the anniversary of the death of Govinda Ghoṣa. 

The temple of this Deity is managed by the rāja-vaṁśa family of Kṛṣṇanagara, whose members are descendants of Rājā Kṛṣṇacandra. Every year in the month of Vaiśākha, when there is a bāradola ceremony, this Gopīnātha Deity is taken to Kṛṣṇanagara. The ceremony is performed with eleven other Deities, and then Śrī Gopīnāthajī is brought back to the temple in Agradvīpa.” govinda, mādhava ghoṣa, ei vāsu-ghoṣa tina bhāira kīrtane prabhu pāyena santoṣa Translation: “Here also are Govinda Ghoṣa, Mādhava Ghoṣa and Vāsudeva Ghoṣa. They are three brothers, and their saṅkīrtana, congregational chanting, pleases the Lord very much. 

Purport: Govinda Ghoṣa belonged to the kāyastha dynasty of the Uttara-rāḍhīya section, and he was known as Ghoṣa Ṭhākura. Even to the present day there is a place named Agradvīpa, near Katwa, where a fair takes place and is named after Ghoṣa Ṭhākura. As far as Vāsudeva Ghoṣa is concerned, he composed many nice songs about Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and these are all authorized Vaiṣṇava songs, like the songs of Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Locana dāsa Ṭhākura, Govinda dāsa Ṭhākura and other great Vaiṣṇavas. --

Friday, March 24, 2017

Rama Navami Festival Bangalore (Video)


Gopala Campu (by Srila Jiva Goswami) pt. 1



Gopala-Campu (by Srila Jiva Goswami)

First Campu 


Prathamam Puranam 


First Chapter Sri Goloka-rupa-nirupana 


Description of Sri Goloka 


1. 0 Sri Krsna, 0 Sri Krsna Caitanya, 0 Lord accompanied by Srila Rupa Goswami and Srila Sanatana Goswami. 0 Lord attained by Srila Gopal Bhatta Goswami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Goswami, 0 Lord dear to the residents of Vraja, please protect me! 

2. With a happy heart I have written this verse. Now I will explain it. With is that explanation. This verse means: Step by step I meditate on my worshipable Supreme Lord (istadeva), His devotees, and certain specific devotees. This verse has three meanings. I will begin by explaining the first meaning. This verse is in the anustup meter. The first word is prefaced by "Sri" (glorious). Although the other words are not prefaced by "Sri" , the "Sri" in the first word should be assumed to apply to the other words. Explanation of the Mangala carana 

3. In this verse "Sri Krsna" means, "0 greatest of all, 0 Lord named Sri Krsna." "Sri Krsna Caitanya" means "0 Lord glorious with all auspiciousness." "Sasanathana" means "accompanied by glorious Sri Sanatana Goswami". 'Rupaka" means "0 great saint named Rupa Goswami, 0 great saint whose feet I place on my head." "Gopala" means, "0 Sri Gopala Bhatta Goswami rich in learning and saintliness." "Raghunatha" means "0 Raghunatha dasa Goswami". "Aptavraja" means "0 devotee famous in Vraja for your great and perfect devotion, " or it may mean "Apta" means "0 saint like an ornament decorating the ears of the devotees", or it may also mean "0 leader of the devotees headed by Sri Bhugarbha Goswami." "Vallabha" means "0 Sri Vallabha, 0 my saintly father of whose feet I take shelter." Or, "Raghunathapta-vraja-vallabha" may mean "0 you who are dear to the followers of Sri Raghunatha." "Pahi mam" means "By giving me the shade of your lotus feet, please protect me." 

4. Now I will explain the second meaning of this verse. In this verse the word "Sri" means "Radha". She is called Sri because She is the first of all goddesses of fortune, as will be proved later in this book. The word following "Sri" is "Krsna", which is the name of Nanda's son, the secret Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus the words "Sri-Krsna" mean "Krsna, who is accompanied by His internal potency named Radha." The derivation of the word Krsna is given in these words (Mahabharata, Udyoga-parva 71.4): krsir bhu-vacakah sabdo nas ca nirvrti-vacakah tayor aikyam param brahma krsna ity abhidhiyate "The word 'krs' is the attractive feature of the Lord's existence, and 'na' means spiritual pleasure. 

When the verb 'krs' is added to the affix 'na', it become Krsna which indicates the Absolute Truth." This verse indicates how the two syllables "krs" and "na" are joined to make the name Krsna. The word "bhu-vacakah" here refers to the way the verb "bhu" is thus changed into the noun "bhava"(being) by the agency of the kvip-pratyaya affix. As the verb "bhu" is thus changed to become "bhava" so the verb "krs" to attract becomes "akarsana" (attraction). Thus "krs" means "He who attracts the hearts of others." The words "tayor aikyam," mean "As two lovers join, so the two syllables "krs" and "na" (bliss) join. When united in this way they create the meaning "all-attractive bliss". " 

The words "param brahma" are explained in these famous words: naraktri param brahma "The Supreme Personality of Godhead has a humanlike form." The two syllables "krs" and "na" thus combine to become the name of Nanda's son. The words "ity abhidhiyate" mean "the power of the word is thus revealed." The Lord's nature is also described in the name "Caitanya", which means "all - pervading". 

The word "Rupaka" means "0 Lord whose form is the shelter of all" or it may also mean "0 Lord understood by the wise saints." The Lord's form is described in these words of Sri Gopala-tapani Upanisad: sac-cid-ananda-rupaya krsnayaklista-karine "I offer my respectful obeisances to Lord Krsna, who rescues the devotees from all distress, and whose form is eternal and full of knowledge and bliss." The Lord's form is also described in these words from Brahma's prayers in SrimadBhagavatam (10.14.22): tvayy eva nitya-sukha-bodha-tanav anante "0 Lord, Your body is eternal and full of bliss and knowledge." 

The word "sa-sanatana-rupaka" means "0 Lord on whose form the devotees always (sanatana) gaze (rupaka), 0 Lord who always appear before the devotees, 0 Lord who appear before the devotees whose only treasure is devotion for You they keep in their hearts." Among the words "gopala raghunathapta vraja-vallabha" the word "gopala raghunathapta" means "0 Lord who are attained (apta) by the leaders (natha) of the small boys (raghu) that protect the cows (gopala)." 

The word "apta-vraja-vallabha" means "0 Lord dear to the glorious cowherd people of Vraja." "Gopala-raghunatha" may also be interpreted to mean, "0 Lord who are the master (natha) the gopas (gopala) worship and yearn to attain (raghu)." In the Amara-kosa Dictionary these definitions of the word "raghu" are given: trisv iste 'lpe laghuh "The word 'raghu' may mean 'three', 'desired', 'worshipped', or 'small'." 

Following these three different meanings one may accept many different interpretations of the vocative case word "gopala-raghunathapta," such as dear to Your multitude (vraja) of kinsmen (apta)." Implied in that interpretation is the thought, "0 Lord, Your glory is never perceived by outsiders." Krsna" the word "Sri" means "Sri Radha, the best of the Lord's beloveds". 

Krsna means "Krsna who enjoys charming pastimes with Her." "Krsna-Caitanya" means "0 bhakta-avatara (the Lord's incarnation as a devotee) named Krsna-Caitanya" and "0 same Supreme Personality of Godhead who descended to this world." "Sasanatana-rupaka" means "0 Lord who stays with Your two devotees Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Sanatan Gosvami." "Gopala-raghunathapta" means "0 lord attained by Your devotees Gopala Bhatta Gosvami and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami." "Vraja-vallabha" means "0 lord always dear to the residents of Vraja." "Pahi mam" means "Please protect me." About This Book The word "apta-vraja-vallabha" may also be interpreted to mean "0 Lord 5. Now I will explain the third meaning of this verse. In the word "Sri- 6. Now that the mangalacarana is explained, the purpose of this book is explained in the following words. 

The nectar conclusions I collected in the book Krsna-sandarbha are now tasted by the tongue of the poet's intelligence. souls will see is like a jewel set in gold. (uttara). Each of these campus is divided in three parts. I pray the saintly devotees may, as they wish, place their intelligence on these campus. devotees. disappeared from this world, the people of Gokula are even now present before the great souls. The Book Begins 7. 

I am the author of this poem. I am its heart. This book is two campus, a first campu (purva) and a concluding campu. I pray this book named Gopala-campu will please Lord Krsna and His devotees. The glorious forest named Vrndavana begins a great auspiciousness to the earth goddess. This forest has the power to deliver all living beings in all the worlds. The mere touch of its purifying breeze washes away all troubles. That touch opens the bolt on the door in the prison of the three vargas (economic development, sense gratification, and material piety) and it carries away the fragrance of impersonal liberation. 

With its great glories it unties the bonds of impersonal liberation. Although in other places the Supreme Personality of Godhead does not easily give the gift of devotional service, in the land of Vrndavana He easily gives it always. In his heart the demigod Brahma yearned to attain even a lowly birth in Vrndavana. He thought his contact with Vrndavana was the beginning of his own glorious good fortune. The ways of Vrndavan are very mysterious. 

They are like the poetic ornament virodha-alankara, where what seems a contradiction is resolved in the end. Even if their authors lack poetic skill, poems about Vrndavana are glorious. That is because in those poems is an awareness of what is truly important and glorious. To help the people of this world, blissful Lord Krsna, the son of Nanda, descends again and again to the realm of Vrndavana. In this way a great festival of bliss always fills Vrndavana. 

Srila Sukadeva Gosvami says Vrndavana is filled with wonderful bliss (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.11.36): vrndavanam govardhanam yamuna-pulinani ca viksyasid uttama priti rama-madhavayor nrpa "0 King Pariksit, when Rama and Krsna saw Vrndavana, Govardhana, and the banks of the river Yamuna, They both enjoyed great pleasure." 13. In Vrndavana is Govardhana Hill, which is glorified in these words: The Puranas call Lord Krsna by the name Gokulesvara (the master of Gokula). 

This confirms the truth that Gokula is Lord Krsna's abode. Gokula is also the abode of the surabhi cows. Govardhana Hill is the shelter of Krsna and His cows. It is also said: Manasa-ganga and Govardhana are considered two different places in the realm of the three worlds. However, I think they are the same place. They are the same flood of love for Lord Krsna that has entered this world. It is also said: The two lakes Radha-kunda and Syama-kunda are the lover's meeting of Sri Sri Radha Krsna. 

I think the sweet fragrances at those lakes are actually Sri Sri RadhaKrsna passionate embraces, the breezes are Radha-Krsna's passionate sighs and trembling, and the water seen in those lakes is Radha-Krsna's passionate love melted into nectar. About the Yamuna it is said: To one who simply bathes in her waters, the Yamuna gives the power to see Lord Krsna. To one who sees her, the Yamuna gives the sweetness of Lord Krsna's abode. 

Here is a guess about Yamuna's true identity: Is the Yamuna a single drop of perspiration from Lord Krsna's body? Is the Yamuna love for Lord Krsna, love that has assumed the form of a dark river? The Yamuna's banks manifest great bliss and love: Gazing on the Yamuna's shore, the wise devotees have a vision of Lord Krsna's nectar rasa-dance pastimes. 

Did the Yamuna sprinkle on her shores a divine elixir in the form of grains of sand? A banyan tree makes our hearts tremble: How can I describe the love a certain banyan tree feels for Lord Krsna? When Lord Krsna disappeared from this world, that tree thought, 'Let Govardhana Hill and the other places stay in this world in their partial expansions. I have no power to stay.' Then that tree also disappeared from this world. 

Ah! Look at the deep love Vrndavan forest feels: Sometimes Lord Krsna's forest becomes stunned like an motionless mountain. Sometimes that forest trembles, its leaves and petals moving. Suddenly pushing out many new sprouts, that forest sometimes stands with the hairs of its body erect in ecstasy. 

Why would Lord Krsna and His multitude (vraja) of associates not wish to appear in that land of Vrndavan? We see Their appearance in Vrndavana as very appropriate. Some pundits say the land of Vraja is named for the multitudes (vraja) of the Lords associates. In Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.5.18) it is said: "0 Maharaja Pariksit, the home of Nanda Maharaja is eternally the abode of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His transcendental qualities and is therefore always naturally endowed with the opulence of all wealth. 

Yet beginning from Lord Krsna's appearance there, it became the place for the pastimes of the goddess of fortune." 23. Following the Padma Purana's descriptions of the Lord's advent in this world, I will soon describe the Lord's entrance, kalpa after kalpa, into the land of Vrndavana, a delightful, beautiful, opulent land where the Lord killed many crooked demons with dangerous fangs. Because it is never touched by the material bodies or minds of the residents of the material world, because it is filled with kadamba trees and many other kinds of glorious trees and plants elaborately described in Varaha Purana and other scriptures, and because within its borders Lord Krsna enjoys many eternal nectar pastimes with Balarama, the gopas, and the surabhi cows, pastimes elaborate descriptions of which may be heard in Skanda Purana and other scriptures, it should be understood that the glory and beauty of Vrndavana has no limit. 

Indeed, Vrndavana is outside the realm of the material world. Vrndavana is described in these words by Lord Krsna Himself in these words from the Gautamiya Tantra: "Vrndavana is My delightful spiritual abode. When they die, the cows, birds, deer, animals, human beings, and demigods who reside in Vrndavana go to My eternal spiritual abode." "Many gopi girls also reside here in Vrndavana. Great yoginis, they eternally serve Me with devotion." 

"This forty mile forest of Vrndavan is My own transcendental form. Flowing with nectar, the Yamuna is the transcendental Susumna-cakra." "Manifesting spiritual forms, the demigods and sages stay in this abode of Vrndavana. I, the master of all the demigods, never leave this forest." "Yuga after yuga I appear in this abode, and then again I disappear. Material eyes have no power to see this glorious and delightful world of Vrndavana." 

The realm of Gokula, which is full of all glories and opulences, which, as we will describe later in this book by following the descriptions in Srimad Bhagavatam, is the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is an ocean of mercy, after leaving His ocean abode, entered, and which is Lord Krsna's own abode and the abode of His cowherd people; And which is the place where, by entering and then leaving the waters of delightful Brahma Lake, and by revealing His Vaikuntha opulences to Akrura, and by accepting the prayers of the Vedas Personified, Lord Krsna revealed the truth of His human like pastimes in Vrndavana and filled His associates with wonder; And where even now the wise devotees take shelter and directly see the Supreme Lord's pastimes; And where, according to Hari-vamsa's description of Govindabhiseka (Krsna's coronation), King Indra came to understand that Krsna is the all-pervading Supreme Personality of Godhead, and which, is including its forests of Vrndavana and the surrounding area. 

Some say it is situated in the spiritual sky, far above the coverings of the material world, and where the devotees take shelter of the spiritual ground where Lord Krsna enjoyed many pastimes, and where Lord Krsna manifested His spiritual form, a form described in Brahma-samhita and other scriptures, is the abode where Lord Krsna enjoys many manifest and unmanifest pastimes, described in many scriptures. 

Hare Krishna Tune (Jamuna Jivana Video)


Wednesday, March 22, 2017

Baby - 9 months in 4 minutes (Video)


ISKCON Desire Tree Spokesman Investigated


[PADA: Apparently, ISKCON Desire Tree's Chaitanya Charan das is under internal GBC investigation for allegedly making outrageous comments in lectures. He is part of Jayapataka's / Dayaram's / GBC's Bangalore program and is a disciple of Radhanath. And he is part of the group that is suing Bangalore ISKCON for their idea, that we need to worship the pure devotee and not their debauchee pretend gurus.

Anyway, he has been allegedly charged with saying some things in a few lectures that would make it appear that Srila Prabhupada is making mistakes like an ordinary conditioned soul, thus acharyas are defective beings. An internal GBC committee investigation is under way to see if that is what he actually meant, and the leader of the investigation is Basu Ghosha das. 

Oh swell, so the same people who have (for the past 35 years) been promoting the idea that acharyas are often debauchees, are going to investigate -- themselves, for saying that acharyas are defective? Makes no sense? The leaders are saying acharyas are defective, and so we need to investigate the disciples, for saying the same thing? We have to investigate a child for swearing in Kindergarten, without investigating the parents, from whence the child learned the swear words?

Why is this party saying that acharyas are often illicit sex debauchees in the first place, and why is Basu ghosha promoting and supporting such a regime? Radhanath buried Kirtanananda in the holy dham, so its well known these people for the past 35 years are worshiping sexual predators, criminals and orchestrators of murders as their acharyas, never mind saying that acharyas are defective. This is very silly, the same people who are saying that acharyas are often deviants, fools, fallen souls, mistaken clowns, sexual predators, criminals etc. are now wondering why their disciples are preaching the same thing? 

Chaitanya Charan das is one of the bigger spokesman on the site ISKCON Desire Tree. Well, if you desire an acharya, how handy is that, they have a pile of sexual predators and crooks to hand off to you and your children to worship under their fabulous desire tree. If you desire a guru, they have illicit sex gurus, criminals, deviants, and / or the persons voted in by their illicit sex gurus like Radhanath.
   
Radhanath is clearly, albeit gradually, taking over the entire ISKCON agenda, now his photo is being plastered around Mayapura and etc. Wasn't he the main henchman of the Kirtanananda regime? Has the GBC learned nothing? Amazing, the same people who say that acharyas are often debauchees, are having to investigate a person, who says acharyas are defective conditioned souls? This is simply a pile of word juggling, you cannot investigate yourself for saying what you say all the time? If anything, Chaitanya Caran is the victim of the Basu Ghosha's program that promotes debauchees as their acharyas. 

Anyway, the people who say that Krishna's successors are often deviants are saying that so they can impugn Krishna. Krishna is a criminal rascal because His successors are criminal rascals. Yes, that is what this is all about from square one, the rascals want to make Krishna and His successors into rascals, to discourage people from worship of Krishna. 

This has gone on since the material world started. Unfortunately, the people who say that Krishna's successors are often crooks and debauchees will most likely have to spend another 50 trillion years in the material world, minimum, because no one is allowed to say that Krishna and His successors are rascals, without being punished severely. ys pd]

UPDATE March 22nd 2017: I was informed that currently there is IIAC investigation going on headed by Basu Gosh das, for the investigation and fair treatment of Caitanya Caran. IIAC investigation will be completed within 2-3 weeks. 

500 Bangalore Devotees Celebrate Chaitanya Jayanti

Monday, March 20, 2017

The False Version of Jaiva Dharma Being Cited (Again)


"We all originated in Krishna's leela or sport"

PADA: Once again some devotees are citing the (false and edited) Gaudiya Matha version of "Jaiva Dharma" -- that the souls originate in the tatastha region. OK as we have explained a number of times, this edition of Jaiva Dharma is not bona fide because Srila Prabhupada said it has been edited by his bogus God Brothers. Anyway, there is no such thing as the tatastha region, tatastha is us, the jeevas. Tatastha means the ability for the soul to be moving where he chooses to go, its not a place. 

We all originated with Krishna, in His leela or sport. Anyway, we hope people will review this topic again, because we have had quite a few discussions on this previously. ys pd  

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/12/origin-of-jeeva-soul-1.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/12/origins-of-jeeva-soul-pt2.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/01/uttama-sloka-ron-marinelli-says-god-is.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/09/where-does-soul-come-from-sri-prem.html

NT: The jiva is always with Krsna in love. This is the Reality. An Eternal Reality. Anything else is simply insignificant temporary and illusionary. From the knowledge of that sambandha tattva, we have learned that the jiva, having forgotten his eternal relation with Krsna, has fallen in to the sea of samsara . . .". -Sri Caitanya-siksamrtam, p.43.

Even in his unalloyed spiritual state, the jiva is infinitesimal. He is liable to undergo change of condition . . . The worldly course makes its appearance simultaneously with the jiva's loss of all recollection of the servitorship of Krsna". - Jaiva Dharma, Chapter One

"In his true nature, the jiva is the devoted servant of Krsna. The jivas, who have gone astray against that nature of theirs -- due to their seeking after their own pleasure--turned away from Krsna and, as such, became punishable". - Jaiva Dharma.

"Jiva is the proprietor of an eternal identity that is extremely esoteric and subtle". - Jaiva Dharma.

"This external energy of the Lord covers up the pure knowledge of the living entity's eternally existing with Him, but the covering is so constant that it appears that the conditioned soul is eternally ignorant." -- Srimad Bhagavatam, 2.5.19, purport.

PT Dasa: When these topics came while Srila Prabhupada was personally present with us he said the discussion is like crow and Tal fruit. Some say the Tal fruit fell by the crow landing on the branch, and others say the fruit was just about to fall the same exact moment the crow landed. This kind of discussion can go on eternally and I have personally seen at least for 40 yrs

PADA: That is why we have to stick with what Srila Prabhupada said: a) We were all originally in Krishna's leela or sport; b) We became envious of Krishna c) Thus we fell to the material world, d) We have to re-establish our lost connection to Krishna and GO BACK HOME to our original constitutional position, e) The God brothers who challenged this idea are tinged with Mayavada. Nuff said! That solves the whole issue. ys pd

V Dasa Right. The discussion is like crow and tal. But it shouldn't be like that amongst devotees who actually accept what Srila Prabhupada said. GM people claim they are Prabhupada's successors. Then why do they disagree with him? This is why we are having the discussion too. Because at this point, its about accepting Srila Prabhupada's instructions, and THAT is not like crow and tal talk.

CP Das: WHAT DOES IT SAY? Srila Prabhupada About the IMPORTANCE OF THE ISSUE OF THE ORIGINAL POSITION OF THE LIVING ENTITY? IT IS NOT IMPORTANT OR IT IS VERY IMPORTANT? "- FROM THE STATUS OF PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, - THE FALSE EGO IS BORN - BECAUSE OF MISUSE OF INDEPENDENCE. - WE CANNOT ARGUE ABOUT WHY FALSE EGO ARISES FROM PURE CONSCIOUSNESS."
SB 3.26.23-24, Purport.

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-THE LIVING ENTITY EXIST IN THE NATURAL STATE OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS,
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-THE LIVING ENTITY EXIST IN THE NATURAL STATE OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, -BUT HE HAS MARGINAL INDEPENDENCE, AND THIS ALLOWS HIM TO FORGET KRSNA.
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U Dasa: What a bunch of speculation... of course there is a conclusion. And it can easily be proven by sastra. Just that you don't want to listen. Just read Jaiva-dharma.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada told us not to read the Gaudiya Matha's version of the Jaiva Dharma, he said it had been edited by his bogus God brothers after 1936. Why does U dasa always do -- the exact opposite -- of what the acharya orders? Srila Prabhupada said that the God brothers did not agree with his back to Godhead idea, and these are probably the same brothers who edited these books. Srila Prabhupada said, they are tinged with mayavada for not understanding we were all with Krishna originally. The conclusion is simple, do not read books that were edited by persons tinged with mayavada!

Srila Prabhupada thus did not allow the Gaudiya Matha's version of Jaiva Dharma to be distributed in his ISKCON, nor did he ever say "here is the authorized version," rather he said we need to hear from him to understand all these issues. Nor has U Dasa shown us a quote where an authorized version has been approved by Srila Prabhupada. Nor has he shown us how God creates two tiered system of some souls starting with Krishna and some not, the Vatican's jeeva tattva. ys pd

PT Dasa: Very near Srila Prabhupadas last days with us in Vrindaban His Divine Grace expressed "I have given you everything,everything I have placed in my books there is no need for you to separately study the writings of Srila Bhaktiviode or Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana all their important conclusions I have placed in my books. " I am quoting Srila Prabhupada as I heard him say so far I have never heard any recording of this but I assure you all it was recorded

PADA: Srila Prabhupada specifically said the Gaudiya Matha version of Jaiva dharama is spurious. He told us not to distribute this version in his movement. And none of this explains how we all originated in Krishna's leela or sport? Nor does U dasa explain why he is saying some souls originate with Krishna and some do not, Vatican idea? Nor does he show us where his version of Jaiva dharma was approved by Srila Prabhupada?

U Dasa also seems to agree with us? -- Having forgotten our devotion and service to Sri Krsna, we are held as the captives of maya, and thus, in lieu of our original transcendental status, we are in this miserable situation." Right, having forgotten we were with Krishna, good, that is what we said the whole time.

Welcome aboard!

This is making some sense now, U Dasa is saying we all forgot our service to Sri Krishna, so if we forgot, we were once doing that service to Krishna. We are not taking this out of context, forgetting our service is only possible if we were once engaged in it. I cannot remember being in San Francisco, if I was never there?

U Dasa is arguing with his own shadow? He just said we forgot our original devotion and service to Krishna. How can we forget something that never existed? If I forget where my car is parked, that means, it never existed? To say we, the marginal living entities, came from an impersonal origin, is not the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada was very clear on this subject – “Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport” Letter to Madhudvisa Swam 1972

Srila Prabhupada – “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” – (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970

Srila Prabhupada – “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” Original Hare Krsna album

Srila Prabhupada – ” So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down.”. July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C

Srila Prabhupada – “Actually, you are not conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger. So we have to get out of this dream. (Lecture on Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 7.108–San Francisco, February 18, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada – “Originally everyone is nitya-siddha. nitya-siddha Krsna Bhakti ‘sadhya’ kabhu naya sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, “. Srimad-Bhagavatam Class 7.9.4- Mayapur, February 18, 1977

Devotee – “Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back”.

Srila Prabhupada – “No! There is possibility, but he does not come. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? Just like we are in renounced order of life. So we have renounced our family life after thinking something. Now, if somebody comes, “Swamiji, you take thousand millions of dollars and marry again and become a family man,” I’ll never become, because I have got my bad experience. I’ll never become. . . .”

Srila Prabhupada – “You are liberated. You are liberated. Simply just a cloud has covered you. Drive away the cloud. There is no question that you were ever. You are ever-liberated. That, the sky is always spiritual, but it is sometimes overcrowded with cloud, this Maya. This is called Maya”.

Srila Prabhupada – “Actually, you are not conditioned. You are thinking. Just like in the dream you are thinking that tiger is eating you. You were never eaten by tiger. There is no tiger”. Letter to Madhudvisa Swami 1972

It is important to understand that ALL marginal living entities ‘originally’ come from Goloka-Vrndavana and are ALWAYS in a perpetual state of uniqueness’ meaning we are forever fresh and youthful in our nitya-siddha body.

Such a spiritual body is ‘eternally’ endowed with a two-armed form like Krishna’s but can also appear as a four armed form in the Vaikunthas in the mood of servitude, or further appear as a flower, drop of rain, chair, etc regardless, the original form of the soul is two armed just like Krishna’s.

What makes things confusing to several is that some marginal living entities, who have manifested as their inferior secondary baddha-jiva state in the material creation, can stay in the material creation or mahat-tattva for what seems to be an almost eternity!

This means many baddha-jiva souls enter the Body of Maha-Vishnu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti at the dissolution of each mahat-tattva creation because of not being Krishna Conscious to awaken to their true nitya-siddha body in Goloka.

U Dasa says we all forgot our service to Krishna. How can we forget our service and devotion to Krishna, if it never existed? This is not making any sense even from logical point of view, he is fighting his own shadow? Anyway, we cannot rely on your version of Jaiva dharma because it was never approved by Srila Prabhupada. What we can rely on is, we all originated in Krishna's leela or sport, its that simple. ys pd

NT Dasa Even in his unalloyed spiritual state, the jiva is infinitesimal. He is liable to undergo change of condition . . . The worldly course makes its appearance simultaneously with the jiva's loss of all recollection of the servitorship of Krsna". - Jaiva Dharma

C Dasa: Does U dasa follow BV Puri?

NT Dasa: This is what I mean. Utilises, has to uphold the no-fall position because his GM Gurus say so. Otherwise, their Gurus would be revealed as ordinary people who make mistakes. It's all politics.
Actually,Srila Prabhupada reveals them as ordinary persons with 4 defects who are contaminated with this impersonal misinterpretation. Utilises,you yourself are selectively quoting The Thakur words in JD.

Utilises,the point is that you have a cognitive bias and are not viewing the issue objectively free from that GM bias. You understand prabhu?

C Dasa: Of course one must first be clear about THE ONLY MEANING OF THE VERB RETURN according to the dictionary, and not imagine any different meaning to the dictionary meaning.

PADA: BV Puri was a big cheer leader of Gopal Krishna swami and the GBC's guru program, along with other supporters from the Gaudiya Matha like Sridhara Maharaja. Srila Prabhupada said, among my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya. Anyway, as we said earlier, Srila Prabhupada said their idea that we do not originate with Krishna is tinged with mayavada.

And their idea that conditioned souls can be acharyas is simply another defect. These Gaudiya Matha folks simply rubber stamped a pile of conditioned souls as acharyas, thus their acharyas have been falling down left, right and center, that means, they have no idea what is an acharya in the first place. They do not even know that when a conditioned soul acts as a diksha guru, he gets overwhelmed by the karma, which is basic ABC idea. ys pd

C Dasa: One never RETURNS means that we were in the material world. In no way means that we can not fall from Vaikuntha.This is not the basic meaning of the verb RETURN. Use this verb to mean this is completely ignoring the most basic meaning of the verb return.

The question is before coming to this material world where we were?

PADA: They already said we have forgot our original service to Krishna, they are spinning in contradictions .... Srila Prabhupada says: contradiction means mayavada ... There is also the idea of nitya mukta and nitya baddha, the souls are either eternally liberated or eternally conditioned. That means, the souls in the spiritual world are generally staying there, Srila Prabhupada 90 percent never leave. Gaura Govinda Maharaja was another person who confused the jeeva tattva issue, guru tattva issue, etc.

Anyway, U Dasa is confusing Krishna's expansion called Mahavishnu with Krishna. Srila Prabhupada says, -- the first form to appear within the material creation is Mahavishnu. We only originate from Mahavishnu's body AFTER we fall here. The jeevas do not originate from Mahavishnu originally, the conditioned souls are in His realm in the material universe AFTER THEY FALL, and when the universe is dissolved they are returned to His body, where they rest with Mahavishnu, and they come back out from Him at the next material creation.

Fine, but that now means U Dasa is saying the souls originate here in the material world, exactly what the Catholic church teaches. The souls that are coming from Mahavishnu are already in the material world because Mahavishnu is the creator of the material universes. And this is another problem, U Dasa already said we fell because we forgot serving Krishna. Fine!

Except being in the realm of Mahavishnu is not serving Krishna, its called the conditioned state of existence. We fell because we forgot Krishna, but we were already in the material world with Mahavishnu? Ulises is mixing apples and oranges, again. No, we were in the realm of Krishna, we wanted to forget Krishna, and we then fell here, to the realm of Mahavishnu.

We have already read what the acharya has said about this topic, he simply does not agree with your theories that Mahavishnu is the source of the jeevas, and that Krishna starts out his children un-equally. Srila Prabhupada also said, there is no bona fide edition of Jaiva dharma now available, you have not proven otherwise.

Of course, even in the version you yourself cited, you cited that we have fallen due to forgetting Krishna, which means you are going around in a big circle of confusion. You also failed to explain how we can forget something we never had knowledge of. You forgot to explain how come -- when these GM God brothers (ok folks like BV Puri) complained about the Back to Godhead idea, Srila Prabhupada said they are tinged with mayavada.

You have not provided any quote where Srila Prabhupada said any current version of Jaiva Dharma and its commentaries are bona fide. Srila Prabhupada also said gurus are not appointed, or voted in, and BV Puri helped promote the GBC's gurus like Gopal Krishna and he said we were wrong to promote Srila Prabhupada as the diksha guru, and we hate to have to tell you the odious history of how that theory brought down the GM and ISKCON and created a huge sahajiya cult problem. BV Puri thus supported the theory that conditioned souls can be worshiped as acharyas, which is not found in any shastra anywhere. In sum, your guru tattva, jeeva tattva, and not doubt other tattvas, are contaminated.

First of all, you have no proof that is what Srila Bhaktivinode actually said or intended because you have no verified shastra or commentaries on such shastra. You have also said that (A) we forgot Krishna, and (B) we originated with Mahavishnu, which means, your Krishna tattva is totally scrambled and not authentic. Anyone who juxtaposes Krishna with His Mahavishnu expansions in the material world has not even understood the ABC principles of Krishna and His incarnations. Srila Prabhupada says we originated in Krishna's lila or sport, you say this is Mahavishnu, you have everything mixed up. Krishna's leela is not Mahavishnu's, which is known to the most ABC level of bhaktas under Srila Prabhupada's direction.

You also have no explanation for why BV Puri supported conditioned souls as gurus, ... because there is none. A sober devotee knows that Krishna's leela or sport is not Mahavishnu's pastimes, that is a separate function, creating the material world, this has nothing to do with Krishna's leela or sport in the spiritual world. No, you have not shown is any quote to support that your version of Jaiva Dharma is authentic, and the way you have everything else scrambled, its no wonder, you are not reading authentic materials or you would not have all of these things so badly confused. Mahavishnu is creating the material world, for you to say that is our origin means, you are simply spouting the same idea as the Catholic Church, we originated here. We are not members of that organization? ys pd

V Dasa: Superexcellent

C Dasa: MEANING OF SPECIFICALLY TO FORGET A PERSON,TO FORGET SOMEONE:
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-TO LOSE THE DEAL OR AFFECTION WITH A PERSON

NT Dasa Bhagavad-gita (Bg. 8.18-19): "When Brahma's day is manifest, this multitude of living entities comes into being, and at the arrival of Brahma's night they are all annihilated." (Bg. 8.18)
Not from Maha Vishnu when He creates the material world. As said before, this "From Maha-Vishnu theory" is just wishful thinking. "

PADA: Yes, the Mahavishnu expansion takes care of the fallen jeevas who wanted to forget Krishna, its not the original status of the jeevas. Even U Dasa admits the jeevas who fell here wanted to forget Krishna. Of course this begs the question, how could the jeevas forget their relationship with Krishna, if this relationship did not exist previously?

And if no one can choose to NOT serve Krishna in the spiritual world, isn't that a robot zombie land? This also makes no sense, that the jeevas in the spiritual world have no ability to choose whether to serve or not to serve. This erases their independence. The jeevas there are not robot zombies, they are given the choice to either serve or not to serve, and some choose not to serve. Then again we have mixed servants, like the demigods, they wanted to serve Krishna and also enjoy materially, so their status is all a result of their independent desires.

We have to come to the point of recognizing that everyone is placed wherever they are by their desires and actions, its not that some people are placed in heaven and some are placed here by some whimsical process, its all going on exactly as per the desires of the jeevas. Unless we can understand this point clearly, it will be harder to desire the right thing. This is why Srila Prabhupada emphasized this point, that we are where we are by our desires, because this gives us an impetus to control and focus those desires. Its part of the process of returning home, back to God.

The "no fall" people make it look like there is no independent desires for the jeevas, nope, there is, and every being has their position as a result of those desires. Krishna gives us a particular spiritual body at the start of our existence to suggest to us what He would like us to do, but its not a fixed robot situation, we are allowed to decide if we want to perform that service, or not, because otherwise the whole thing would be mechanical robots. If Krishna starts off some people in a no fall post, and some of us in a possible fall post, that makes Him biased. He isn't, He loves all jeevas equally. ys pd