Tuesday, July 28, 2015

A Few PADA news updates



*** We are getting more nice inquiries about all these topics and more and more people are agreeing with our idea to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya.

*** A number of folks have asked us about the Bombay vs Bangalore court case. I don't know for sure, but it appears to be delayed again. The good news is that many of the documents our PADA project has previously found / forwarded / posted on our sites etc. are now officially recorded in that Supreme court. The other good news is that lower courts recently ruled favorably for Bangalore while a criminal process has been started against some of the Bombay (GBC) folks.

This means in any case, a legal historical record has been made of these documents in the Supreme court of India, that's good progress. Of course there are always some people who do not like either Bangalore or us for our conducting this document collecting and forwarding, no kidding, these folks wanted to suppress these documents the whole while. And as soon as anyone starts a lawsuit against the GBC's gurus to prove that Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya, there are many people who object. Too bad, at this point, the cat is pretty much out of the bag, its too late to suppress all these documents.    

*** A number of "history videos" are in the works in a sort of collaboration effort which we are helping along. The devotee who is making these videos would like more photos to illustrate the post-1977 historical events. So if you have any photos of the 11 gurus and their empires, news clippings, etc. after 1977, please send to angel108b@yahoo.com and we will forward them.

*** Another devotee is making a book on the history of New Vrndavana, and we are helping with this account.

*** A very senior devotee whom we have not seen or heard of in 30 years has all of a sudden started to ask all sorts of good questions about the poison issue, its getting around slow but sure. He is pretty much convinced our account is accurate.

*** A newer devotee has asked us lots of questions about Radhanatha, and this devotee sort of feels Radhanatha is not all he is cracked up to be.

*** The book Monkey On A Stick, some of Sulochana's writings, and other PADA materials are gradually being translated into Spanish by a group of Spanish speaking folks, who want to get PADA's style of ideas out and into that language. We'll let you know when these documents are up and running.

*** Another devotee asked me why Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur spokesman Prahlad is still saying PADA's idea to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is "destroying ISKCON," and most of the HKC folks are against us and they are instead promoting Bhakta das, one of the biggest GBC guru's cheer leaders and he is also a giant Gaudiya Matha groupie. Of course they are also citing another person who says the ritviks are "slimy snakes." Great company they have there!

Worse, Bhakta das says our idea of worship of the pure devotee is "a cancerous tumor." Worse, Bhakta das has encouraged all sorts of criminal behaviors that has given the Krishna movement a bad name and he was himself arrested for "sex crimes" in Puri. Fine person for your HKC Jaipur folks to publicly advertise as your shiksha guru spokesman.

I had to tell this devotee, there are people such as Bhakta das, who are simply pretending to want to see Srila Prabhupada being worshiped, but what they really think is that we Prabhupadanugas are a cancerous tumor. Bhakta das also promotes Radhanath's program. OK, and we would say this is the sinister agenda that ruined ISKCON. So the HKC and their spokesman have simply shown us what their real agenda is, thats all, they are sitting around making audio tapes of Bhakta das and not us, because they are still with the Gaudiya Matha's groupies / Radhantha / Kirtanananda / designer drugs pada agenda. Its simple, as Sulochana said, birds of a feather flop together.

Sulochana also used to say. people can try to hide their real desires for some time and make pretend they are for Prabhupada, but if they are against us -- they are not for Prabhupada, and eventually their real colors will come out. Thus according to Sulochana's idea, they are against us because they do not want to see the pure devotee being worshiped, plain and simple. And these same HKC guys are also totally against our idea of establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya in the courts, because they attack anyone who tries to establish the acharya there. OK, that means they want the sinister deviants to be established as the acharyas of the jagat -- in the courts.

So, they are on the wrong side, that's all. This devotee thanked me because he was going to visit India and he wanted to know who was what over there. In any case, our opponents have always said our worship of the pure devotee is a cancerous tumor, and most folks now agree -- these are the people who have created all the troubles for ISKCON.

These people are eternally doing this of course, they have always wanted to establish the worship of deviants, even when Krishna was here, Kamsa had his advocates. Anyway, various people have been telling us some pretty horrific things about Radhanath's program which we cannot make public yet, but for the HKC Jaipur folks to be publicly advertising and licking the boots of Radhanath's promoters is -- not a good sign of their spiritual progress.  

*** The overall good news is, the bogus guru agenda is slipping more and more and our "Prabhupadanuga" idea is getting more traction, including a number of historical sites that will document all this for future Vaishnavas. Basically, our version of the post 1977 history of ISKCON has ALREADY been widely accepted by most of the USA police, FBI, and the public media, and perhaps thousands of devotees worldwide all agree now, and its increasing worldwide, for example our history version is gaining more traction among the media, courts and devotee population of India etc.

At the same time, the Krishna1008 blog readership is expanding nicely, especially into many foreign lands, which means more and more folks are waking  up to these issues. Simultaneously, more and more people are linking to this blog and our Harekrsna.org site etc. -- so we are progressing along. As Srila Prabhupada often says, the dogs will bark -- as the caravan passes -- simply stated, our program is expanding.

ys pd



Monday, July 27, 2015

Dr. Abdul Kalam Departs

The most humble Dr. ‎Abdul Kalam used to regularly walk to ISKCON Bangalore when he stayed nearby before he became the president of India. He used to read Bhagavad Gita everyday which he bought from ISKCON Bangalore's book section. Our sincere condolences for his departure. May Krishna bless his soul. 




Updates On Kanhaiya Dasa's Site

Some updates on Kanhaiya dasa's site


Problem of accepting a neophyte guru



Real Krishna consciousness comes from those who are really Krishna conscious
Bhakta Mark: Sorry, accepting a kanistha adhikari as one’s spiritual master is not necessarily auspicious but can be inauspicious, and thus does not guarantee a human birth. The only way to guarantee a human birth is to first be linked up to the yoga system and practice Bhakti yoga as per BG 6.41.
But does a neophyte ALWAYS link another to the Bhakti yoga system and initiate their practice? We will see what the acaryas have to say about that. It is a fact that NO neophyte has mastered spirituality, and thus cannot transmit pure transcendental knowledge, and cannot initiate another into any conception or realization past Prakrta Bhakti, or tinged and mixed materialistic devotional service. As the quotes below will show.
Neophytes can and will accept disciples, as they have since time immemorial, and will eternally within this material world, because that is one of the particular temptations and flaws inherent in a neophyte who is not accepting the guidance of an uttama adhikari, or a madhyama under that uttama’s guidance.
Our exemplar uttama acarya, Srila Prabhupada, pointed out the obvious. That a neophyte can accept disciples as easily as a person can breathe by inhaling from their lungs, yet in the same breath SP gives his authorized declaration of what an aspirant faced with such a choice SHOULD be careful TO DO.
“Therefore, a disciple SHOULD be careful to accept an uttama-adhikari (first-class devotee) as a spiritual master.”
And then offers a PROHIBITION against any other choice. Pay attention to the words MUST and SHOULD NOT and ONLY …ELIGIBLE.
“One SHOULD NOT become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari (first-class devotee).” -- Nectar of Instruction 5, Purport
“The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. . . ONLY such a person is ELIGIBLE to occupy the post of a guru.” -- Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita Madhya 24.330, Purport
And why is this? ” it should be understood that they (aspiring disciple) cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his (neophyte’s) insufficient guidance” (NOI 5)
AND FOR THOSE WHO WISH FOR SRILA PRABHUPADA TO EXPLAIN THESE “DRACONIAN PROHIBITIONS”?
SP -- “The third-class devotee engages in devotional service according to the directions of the spiritual master, OR ENGAGES OUT OF FAMILY TRADITION, and worships the Deity of the Lord, but he is not cultivated in knowledge of devotional service, and HE DOES NOT KNOW A DEVOTEE FROM A NON-DEVOTEE, SUCH A THIRD-CLASS DEVOTEE CANNOT ACTUALLY BE CONSIDERED A PURE DEVOTEE; HE IS ALMOST IN THE DEVOTIONAL LINE, BUT HIS POSITION IS NOT VERY SECURE.” (TLC 11)
My comment. Remember, neophytes are not even in the pure devotional line yet.
SP -- “The third-class devotees or the neophytes, who have no knowledge and are not detached from material association, but who are simply attracted by the preliminary process of worshiping the Deity in the temple, are called material devotees. Material devotees are more attached to material benefit than transcendental profit. Therefore, one has to make definite progress from the position of material devotional service to the second-class devotional position.” -- Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.12, Purport
My comment. A neophyte HAS TO make DEFINITE progress to the second class position, and NEVER CAN OR WILL under the INSUFFICIENT GUIDANCE OF A NEOPHYTE SO CALLED GURU.
and finally.
SP -- “One has to raise himself at least to the stage of a second-class devotee and thus become eligible to know the Absolute Truth. A third-class devotee, therefore, has to receive the instructions of devotional service from the authoritative sources of Bhagavata. The number one Bhagavata is the established personality of devotee, and the other Bhagavatam is the message of Godhead. The third-class devotee therefore has to go to the personality of devotee in order to learn the instructions of devotional service.” -- Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.12, Purport
GET THAT? The personality of devotee cannot possibly be a neophyte. A neophyte cannot be considered the “PERSON BHAGAVATA”
NEVER. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS.
So, we have someone who is not in the devotional line, who is a materialistic person, who has possibly ignored the orders of the Mahabhagavat Acarya, and if not is simply following the advice of some other neophyte so called guru and accepting disciples that they cannot even bring to the second class platform, and what do we call this? Thus this is MORE THAN LIKELY JUST “The spiritual master business.”
“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.”.
“Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-cela. He indicates that there are other Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava”. (CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)
PSEUDO GURUS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS
"The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.
"THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”--and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Isopanisad 12)
"SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (Bg.16.19-20)
Yet, Bhakta George Smith INSISTS that a neophyte guru and his uninitiated neophyte disciples are Guaranteed a human form of life.
But the influence of a psuedo religionist/ pseudo Vaisnava (AKA neophyte so called Guru) may have no bearing whatsoever upon whether or not an aspirant to the devotional line takes a human birth in their next life of not. At the end of their life they have just as much chance of remembering the best sex they ever had with a goat, as they are remembering the holy names of the Lord.
Considering an animal life on earth is a better position than a birth in the most obnoxious place in the universe, perhaps George and others of this ilk would like to change their mind about his conclusion. And perhaps finally issue a retraction to his claim that Srila Prabhupada “GAVE PERMISSION” for Neophytes to become Diksa gurus and accept disciples.
The promoters of neophyte acharyas are now risking their own descent to dark regions due to stubborn pride.
Hare Krsna
ys B.Mark
[PADA: Well said! Of course people who are engaged in illicit sex, drugs, sexual predator behaviors, criminal actions etc. are not even kanisthas, or neophyte bhaktas of any level, they are deviants posing as messiahs, which is also why they are destined to go to a lower birth. And in the case of the GBC, almost all of them have supported and sometimes reinstated their worst case degraded messiahs, so they are all implicated in the karma chakra of this process. ys pd] 

Sunday, July 26, 2015

Satan Deity in Detroit

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0726/Satanic-monument-in-Detroit-unveiled-Is-it-disrespectful

[PADA: Was unveiled with chants "Hail Satan." Hee hee, yes, even Satan has worshipers these days. ys pd] 

Gaura Govinda Maharaja: acharyas vs managers



Mahaprabhu Will Protect Us From Such a Dangerous Situation

Talk given by Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja at Bhubaneswar, India on March 5, 1995:
"I was selected as a member of the GBC body in 1986. At first I was not willing. I was not willing at all to become a member of that body. In that year there was a 50 man committee, there was some restructuring of the GBC body. So, some old members resigned and some new ones were recruited. So, somebody gave some names. So my name was given as one of them, although I was unwilling. So out of those names, the GBC body accepted some names and also rejected some. So I was thinking I may be rejected, so that would be good fortune for me. But it was bad fortune, I was selected. Very bad fortune for me, yes. What to do? All right, so, since that year I have been attending GBC meetings. It has now been 9 years, 1986-1995.

[PADA: Unfortunately, GGM cannot make the distinction between (a) acharyas and (b) managers. GGM claims to have joined the ISKCON Governing Body in 1986, but there has not been any Governing Body since 1977, rather there has been a collection of self appointed "acharyas." For example in 1977 the eleven self appointed "gurus" declared that there is now "an acharya board" which rules over the Governing Body. And these independent maverick messiahs running amok essentially dismantles the Governing Body principle. 

In sum, the acharya board hi-jacked the GBC's position and has ever since. GGM also forgot that there is no history where our vaishnava acharyas were EVER "managed" by a Governing Body. GGM totally forgets the entire principle of acharyas, that they ARE getting dictation from Krishna and NOT from a managerial board. Thus from 1977 until 1995 GGM was juxtaposing managers with acharyas, because he thinks God and His successors are ruled by conditioned souls and their managerial voting. Aindra said this idea is the "corporate figurehead acharya" process and not factual acharya's process.]

GGM: The Founder-Acarya of ISKCON, our revered spiritual master, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupadaji Maharaja has set up the GBC body. The GBC body will be the topmost executive body or authority. Everything will be decided here and it will be executed. Whatever is decided, the whole society will accept it. Otherwise, there will be no discipline in this society. 

[PADA: How can a managerial body rule over acharyas? Already by 1986 Jayatirtha, Hansadutta, Ramesvara, Kirtanananda and others had ALREADY said that they are NOT going to accept the decisions of the GBC -- because acharyas are above the votes of manager, and they are acharyas. Actually that is correct, the acharyas are not ruled by conditioned souls and their managerial board, the problem is, GGM never asked the eleven -- who authorized them to be acharyas, free of the controls of the managerial board?]

The main purpose of setting up this GBC is to keep discipline on the society. That is number one purpose. Number two: When so many persons are working, and all are conditioned souls. 

[PADA: Wait a minute? They are acharyas and -- they are ALL conditioned souls? Why doesn't GGM know that conditioned souls are not acharyas? This is the problem with people like GGM, he has no idea what is an acharya in the first place. They are all acharyas, which means -- they are also conditioned souls, that means GGM thinks acharyas are conditioned beings. Srila Prabhupada says this is one of the ten offenses to the holy name, to think the acharyas are ordinary mundane men.]

How many are liberated souls? Mostly all are conditioned souls there. All have the four defects, yes. Who are free from the four defects? Who are free from anarthas--how many? That's a question.

[PADA: If there is a question of their purity, then why compromise with them calling themselves acharyas?]

But they say, "The GBC body that Srila Prabhupada set up or formed is a society of Vaisnavas." So I was taking up (giving) a class there, generally I take up one class, but this year was such a class that fortunately that topic came up, Krsna arranged, that such a topic came up where Prabhupada is saying, "Everybody should act like this." Narada Muni was instructing Druva Maharaja. That verse was there. "Those who are very, very advanced, elevated personalities, one should pay respect to them. Should not be envious of them. Those who are equals, one should keep friendship with them. Those who are inferiors, one should be very compassionate to them, " That is the sum and substance of the verse, so I was speaking on that topic, on tri-vidha Vaisnava.
So I explained and quoted form Srimad Bhagavatam, from Caitanya-Caritamrta, how they have said, and at last that one should understand, one should recognize a Vaisnava. Srila Bhaktivinoda has also said, one should recognize what kind of Vaisnava he is and behave accordingly. Then you'll get the kripa, mercy of Vaisnavas, then you'll achieve perfection--otherwise you cannot achieve perfection, rather you'll commit offense. Yes, that danger is there.

[PADA: Correct, for GGM to say (a) they are all conditioned souls and (b) they are acharyas, is a severe aparadha to the guru lineage, never mind it shows how totally confused he is.] 

Why Srila Prabhupada has formed this society, he himself has said. I quoted Srila Prabhupada's words, "I founded this society for Krsna consciousness so that this will be an exemplary society where there will be no envy at all." 

[PADA: Yes, Srila Prabhupada says that when a neophyte poses as acharya artificially, its due to envy of the acharyas. Why is GGM giving these envious people his rubber stamp by promoting them?]

That is the purpose of the Founder Acarya of this ISKCON society! If we see so much enviousness going on in this society, how the Founder Acarya will be happy? That is the question. We are all here to give him happiness. But is he happy when his purpose is failed, foiled? This is the most important thing.
I say this is a society of Vaisnavas. Vaisnavas are not envious at all. Second verse of Srimad Bhagavatam. Who can understand Bhagavata tattva? Those Vaisnavas who are not envious at all. Otherwise Bhagavatam will not be revealed to them. Yes, that's a fact. I quoted all these things. But what do we see? Then this is so painful for us. Generally it is said in material sphere, "Speak the truth which is very sweet but don't speak unpalatable truth." But in spiritual sphere the Acaryas say, "No matter how unpalatable it may be, the Truth should be spoken." Yes. Mahajana's have said so.
So danger is there to speak such truth, such unpalatable truth. Danger is there on my head. Like a sword is hanging there on my head because I am speaking unpalatable truth, yes! I have already sensed, I have heard, "Gour Govinda will speak against the GBC." Yes. Have already heard it. Because I am speaking the unpalatable truth such danger I am facing, like a sword is hanging, any moment it will be thrust onto my head! Yes, that's a fact.

[PADA: OK so if they are not acharyas, then what were they appointed as?]

Such is the situation. Therefore I feel suffocated there. Very, very suffocated. I cannot feel happy in Sridhama Mayapur, Mahaprabhu's place who is Prema-Purusottama, who gives Krsna-prema, patita-pavana, Gourahari who delivers the most fallen souls and embraces them, "Come to my fold", Embraces them, but in that dhama I feel such thing!

[PADA: So why endorse and participate in a program that you yourself have no respect and confidence in? If GGM is feeling repressed, what about all the rest of us? Instead of getting voted into their guru program, GGM should have done what we did, stay removed from their party and do not participate in it. Instead, GGM gets voted into their guru system, thus validating their system.]

And everything is decided there by majoritive (measurement; counting of hands) vote, Yes decided, you cannot speak. "Stop, we have already decided, already voted, no more talking, finished." So it is going on. 

[PADA: Right, the GBC is voting for acharyas, that itself is bogus. Why not make a separate program and not participate in this program? I am against the Kauravas, therefore, I am going to be voted in as a card carrying co-member of their group, a group which wants to kill the Pandavas.]

Also, I said this is the purpose of setting up the GBC body. Some philosophical dispute is there, some managerial flow is there to discus. Prabhupada said to , "Discuss with a cool head. Should be discussed with a cool head not a hot head, not in a hurried mood, no. Cool head in a Vaisnava way, not in an avaisnava and materialistic way." That's not the purpose of Srila Prabhupada. But no cool head, with a hot head, in a hurried mood, "We have decided". That gives me much pain and afraid of speaking the Truth also, yes.

[PADA: So, you know their system is bogus, but you are afraid to speak up, what kind of sadhu is this? A sadhu should simply speak the truth, these guys were never appointed as acharyas, nor are they qualified to be acharyas, the whole thing is a farce. That is what we said. GGM said he could not join with me in that idea since he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with" the GBC gurus.]

So this is the purpose. When the philosophical disputes come, what shall we do? Those who are experts, those who know the tattva, Prabhupada quoted this thing, some apparent controversial statements will come and it's come. How will it be reconciled? It is a question of reconciliation. Why such apparent controversial, opposite, contradictory statements come? It's not an easy thing to understand, baba. Not an easy thing. What circumstances, what time, what place, why it is said?

[PADA: Nowhere does Srila Prabhupada say that acharyas are conditioned souls?]

Lord Buddha came at a certain time when people were killing unnecessarily the innocent animals. Lord Buddha's heart felt so much pain seeing the unnecessary killing of innocent animals. He came down to stop it. So he came and said, "Stop it." but such persons who were killing innocent animals said, "Why are you stopping? In Veda it is said." But these people cannot understand Veda. Because they were in such a very, very low level of consciousness, covered up with the mode of ignorance and passion, no satva guna at all. That is the time and circumstances. 

Buddhadeva is the incarnaion of Lord Visnu from whom Veda comes. He said, "Throw your Veda! I don't want it!" Why He said like this, He from whom all Veda comes? Can he say like that? Veda is Mother. Veda-mata. Vedic authority. Mother is the authority to speak about father. Mother says Mr. X is your father. Is there any argument to it? Can you argue, "Why is he my father?" No. No, mother says, you have to accept it. This is first principal, you have to accept the authority. First principal, otherwise everything will be topsy-turvy.

So much indiscipline will come. As for example, if you make one mistake in mathematical calculation, you make 2 plus 2 equal 5, then the whole calculation is wrong. Don't manufacture some new path, that is a dangerous path. But why Buddha deva said like that? Therefore it is said; in time, place and circumstances. It is needed at that time therefore they do it.

So Acaryas do like that. There are many instances......but they say, "We don't want to understand all these things, we know this siddhanta" All right, what can I say to them?

[PADA: You can say what everyone else says, they are not acharyas.]

And by majoritive vote everything is granted, by vote. All right then, if majoritive says that a dog has become God, that's very good. Becomes God, the majority said. Granted. Then no more speaking, dog becomes God, finished.
So many quotation are there in Srila Prabhupad's books, "Jiva never falls from Vaikuntha." No exercising our own brains, just accept it. It is inconceivable, yes, Mahajanas say, "What is acintya, inconceivable, don't add any of your material logic or arguments to it." No, don't add. You cannot establish the Vedic truth through material logic and arguments. If you do like that, then it becomes different, different, different. You cannot do it.

[PADA: OK except there are so many other quotes where Srila Prabhupada says we come from Krishna's lila or sport, we have to return back to God, we have to revive our original consciousness, we have to re-establish our connection to Krishna, we have remember our lost relationship with Krishna, we became envious of Krishna, we have all seen Krishna face to face, and so on and so forth.] 

Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur says it is the will of the Lord. If you want to establish Truth then from many, many sources, from all directions, untruth will come and suppress it. It is the will of the Lord. But at last satya-veda is there. At last Truth will be victorious. That time has come now.
Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Prabhupada says, "vox popoli is not always vox dei" that means this taking gana vote, measuritive vote is not applicable on the spiritual sphere. For example, one king was there digging a very big pond. He thought that this pond should be filled with milk instead of water. So he ordered all the cowherd men in his kingdom, "You all should bring milk and pour it into this pond." This is the King's order.

So all the cowherd men said, "We shall have to do, otherwise if we violate the order, then our heads will be cut off." So one of the cowherd men thought of, "All right, all will take milk and pour it. If I take one pot of water and pour it, it cannot be noticed and the king cannot notice it." Somehow this thought leaked out. So every cowherd man thought like that. "Yes, I'll do the same thing." So, in the long run, at last his pond was filled with water instead of milk--this is gana-vote.
Another story also we hear. I say that we must hear from a bona fide source. He is free from the four defects, free from anarthas . He is completely cent per cent Krsna conscious, pure devotee Vaisnava. He is not envious at all.

One washer man was there who had a donkey. His name was Sunanda Gandharva. That donkey served the washerman for many years. At last he became old and died. So the washerman shaved his head and had dip in the holy water. That washerman used to wash the king's clothes. When he went to the king's palace to get clothes, the king's priest saw him and asked, "Hey, why have you shaved your head? Don't you know? Sunanda Gandharva died--very, very auspicious day today. Shall I shave my head? Oh yes, you shave your head." 

So then the chief minister saw the priest's shaved head and asked why. Same answer, so he also shaved his head. Then the queen saw the king had shaved his head. She asked, "Why have you shaved your head?" The queen was a bit intelligent."Oh don't you know, my dear queen? Sunanda Gandharva died--very, very auspicious day."
"Who is he? Who told you? What is the source?" She wanted to know the source. "Oh, chief minister told me." The queen called for the chief minister, "Hey, who is Sunanda Gandharva? "Oh queen, I heard from the priest, I told the king and the king heard from me. Our priest, priest he has said."
The priest was called for and the queen asked, "Who is that Sunanda Gandharva? From who have you heard? You said shave head, so all are shaving their heads, the chief minister and the king."
"Oh, the washerman said."
"The washerman who cleanses the dirty clothes! So a low-caste person who has a low level of consciousness. You heard from him! And you accepted it as a very, very auspicious day. All right, call for that washerman." The washerman was called for. The queen asked, "Who is Sunanda Gandharva?"
"Oh, I had a donkey, he died today." (crying).
"So the washerman's donkey died today--oh very auspicious day, and all of you shaved your head!" This is hearing from such a person of low consciousness and accepting it."Oh very auspicious day!"
This such thing is going on in this material world. Therefore in the spiritual sphere one should hear from bona fide acarya, mahajana sadhu, who is bona fide authority. We have to follow the path. Mahajanas say, "That is truth", and we should accept as truth, yes. Then there will be no problems at all. No disputes at all, yes. Make advancement in this path of devotional service--otherwise how can you make advancement?
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, "Don't fight. Stay always in friendship and brotherhood." There may be some different: different countries, different places, maybe something different I am. Time, place, circumstances. There may be some differences but don't fight on the issue. Accept what the mahajanas have said and remain as brothers, remain as friends and engage yourself in Hari bhajan, thereby you'll get the blessings, the mercy of the mahajanas and your life will be successful and you'll make advancement in devotional service. Otherwise bhakti will be lost to you. That's a fact. Yes.
I accept it. This is the will of the Lord, such time has come, Truth is suppressed. All right I accept, though it is painful, I have to tolerate it. For how long can I tolerate? I pray to Mahaprabhu, He says taro eva sunicena, be as tolerant as a tree, but at the same time one should say, the Vaisnava becomes intolerant when mahajanas-sadhus, sruti, sastra is dishonored.

It is very, very offensive, yes. It is intolerable that also they have said. So, I am in a dilemma. I cannot figure out, I cannot decide what to do? I have to tolerate it. I am waiting for the direction of Mahaprabhu and Krsna, nothing to say. A very, very dangerous period has come. Very, very dangerous. Only Krsna raksate, only Krsna will protect us. Mahaprabhu will protect us from such a dangerous situation and..."

[PADA: This is rather amazing in our opinion. The GBC is making all sorts of deviants into acharyas, and the real issue is, -- that we need to prove that Srila Prabhupada is not correct to say that we all originated in Krishna's leela or sport? The main problem in ISKCON is, not that fools are posing as acharyas, the main problem is, Srila Prabhupada is -- wrong -- in his jeeva tattva presentation. 

At the same time, he is correct to say that challenging the GBC is very dangerous, a sword over your head. Why not pick your battles? Instead of proving that Srila Prabhupada's jeeva tattva is defective, why not prove that conditioned souls cannot be acharyas? 

Anyway, as we see above, GGM confused the process of managers and acharyas, he could not understand that the acharya is never under the authority of conditioned soul managers. He says the GBC are mostly conditioned souls, then he says these conditioned beings always vote for things, and everyone (including their acharyas) has to accept. That means he is promoting a system where the acharyas would be subordinated to conditioned soul managers. Sorry, the acharyas do not participate in mundane voting systems. They are above these programs. What is worse, the only thing GGM wants to challenge, is the direct statements of Srila Prabhupada that we were all originally Krishna conscious beings, that's all he wants to chop down, the words of the actual acharya. ys pd]      

Saturday, July 25, 2015

Lord Jagganath Cares For His Devotees



This is one of the most beautiful pastimes of Lord Jagannath!
There was a person named Bandhu Mohanty in the city of Jajpur in Orissa. He had two daughters and one son. His wife was very obedient. He was very poor and lived by begging alms. He had no reserve funds—whatever he collected in one day he spent in one day with nothing left over. Bandhu Mohanty was a great devotee of Lord Jagannath. He used to spend his days chanting the holy name of the Lord. He was merciful to all living entities, was very truthful, and was very fond of serving brahmanas. He was indifferent to his family life, knowing that everything is temporary except the holy name of the Lord. In this way, he spent his days happily chanting and remembering the sweet pastimes of Lord in Vrindavan.

Once there was drought in his area, and people were dying due to want of food. Bhandu Mohanty went to some villages to beg alms, but the people had no food even for themselves—how could they give alms to Bandhu Mohanty? He returned to his house without any food, all the while meditating on the Lord. His wife told him that the children were very hungry. They could not tolerate their hunger pangs any longer. She asked, "Don't you have some relative who can help us during this difficult time? Let us leave this place and go to some other place where your relatives are staying." Bandhu Mohanty replied, "I have no relatives to help me, but I do have a friend. But He lives far from here. He is the best among all the people. There is no one equal to him. He lives in Shri Kshetra Puri Dhaam. If some how or other we can manage to reach him, our problems will be solved." His wife was very happy to hear this. She said, "Then let us go there immediately. I will carry one child. You will carry the others. Let us go there now without any delay. Otherwise all of us will die." Bandhu Mohanty was very happy to hear this from his wife. He thought it would be very nice to go to Shri Kshetra and take darshan of Lord Jagannath, Baladeva and Subhadra. Yearning to see his Lord, he merrily set out with his family on empty stomach but full heart.

They started their journey to Shri Kshetra, arriving four days later. He was relieved as soon as he saw the Neelachakra. They approached the Jagannath temple at the Lion Gate. Thousands of people were visiting the temple, and security was very tight. Many guards were there with sticks in their hands. As it was not possible for them to enter the temple, they took darshan of Patita-pavana, the deity of Lord at the entrance of the temple's eastern gate. Whoever is not allowed to enter the temple can take darshan of this deity. Then Bandhu Mohanty went towards the southern gate near Peja Nala, where all the starch from the cooked rice from Jagannath's kitchen gathers. The cows drink this liquid known as 'peja'. Bandhu Mohanty was very tired. He sat down there near the south gate. His wife said, "Why are you sitting here? It is getting late. Now it is already evening time. Let us go to your friend's house to get refreshed and eat something. We all are very tired and hungry. Where is your friend"s house?" At this time all the children also started to cry, saying, "We are very hungry. We cannot tolerate our hunger any more. If you do not feed us, we will die very soon."

Bandhu Mohanty said to them, "Today there are many guests at my friend's house. The gate-keepers are allowing only selected guests inside. If anyone tries to enter by force, they'll be beaten. Let us sleep here tonight. We can drink some starch from Jagannath's kitchen and spend the night here. Early in the morning we will go to meet with my friend and ask him to give us shelter and food. My friend is very merciful." His wife agreed to the proposal. They arranged a broken clay pot, and all of them drank the rice-starch water, and got a little relief from their hunger. All the members of the family were very tired and soon fell asleep. Bandhu Mohanty started to offer his prayers to Lord Jagannath: "O Lord of the universe. You are maintaining everyone in your creation. Am I out of your creation? We are dying here due to want of food. Please bless us. Otherwise we would lose our lives. Please have pity on my family and consider our case." While he was praying to the Lord in this way, he fell asleep.

In the meantime the Lord Jagannath's pujari completed the evening offering to the Lord. After finishing the puja, he locked the temple door, and with the key in hand, headed towards his home. During the night, Lord Jagannath became very worried that His devotee was sleeping without having eaten anything. He could not sleep! "My friend has come from so far. How can I sleep peacefully without feeding him? He has come here thinking I am his only friend, to seek My help at this tough time." Then the Lord of the universe entered into the storeroom and took one golden plate in His hand. He collected many varieties of foodstuffs like pan-cakes, puddings, sweets, sweet rice, vegetable rice, all kinds of dry sweet prasada. Then He came to south gate of the temple. The Lord called, "Oh my dear Bandhu, please come here." Bandhu Mohanty heard someone calling his name. He thought, "Maybe they are calling someone else. There must be so many people here with this name. 
No one knows me here, so who could be calling my name?" Thinking like this, he did not respond. Then the Lord called again, "Oh, Bandhu Mohanty from Jajpur, please listen! You are staying near Peja Nala along with your family. Please come here. I have brought food for you." Hearing this, Bandhu went and saw an old brahmana ready to hand him a plate filled with so many varieties of foodstuffs. The Lord, in the form of this old brahmana, told Bandhu, "Please accept this food and feed your family members. Tomorrow morning I will arrange everything for you." Saying this, the Lord disappeared from there. Bandhu Mohanty took prasada very happily. He woke up all the family members, and they all honored prasada very eagerly and gratefully, then once again slept, content with full bellies. After cleaning the plate, Bandhu Mohanty went to the south gate to return the plate. He pushed the door, expecting that the brahmana would be there and he could return the plate to him. But to his surprise the brahmana was not there. Bandhu went back to his sleeping place and wrapping the plate in his cloth, decided he would return it in the morning.

Early the next morning, Lord Jagannath's pujaris opened the temple gate. Everybody was busy with their individual services. When they opened the store room they discovered the golden plate of Lord Jagannath was missing. The plate had been stolen! The pujaris reported the theft to temple management, and the police arrested all the pujaris and beat them, thinking that it could only have been a pujari who had stolen the plate from inside the store room. It happened that by chance some people saw one person along with his family sleeping near the south gate of the temple. They could see the golden plate wrapped in his cloth. The plate was dazzling in the sunshine. Immediately several people caught hold of Bandhu Mohanty. They bound him with rope, beat him severely, and took away the golden plate. Bandhu Mohanty and his wife both explained how one brahmana gave them this plate filled with prasada in the middle of the night. After eating he went to return the plate to the brahmana but could not find him, and that was how the plate ended up with in his cloth. Bandhu Mohanty and his wife appealed to the police: "We are not at fault. Why are you all beating us with out any fault?" But nobody cared for what they said. He was arrested and put in prison. Bandhu Mohanty stayed in the prison house. He fixed his mind on Lord Jagannath and started to offer prayers: "Dear Lord Jagannath, I am the greatest sinful person in this universe. You are an ocean of mercy. There is no one as sinful as me, and there is no one like You, the great deliverer of the fallen souls. Whatever You wish to do with me, please do it. I have no other shelter than You." Thinking like this he meditated upon the lotus feet of the Lord.

Later that evening all the temple devotees completed their services to the Lord and went back to their respective houses. That Lord, who is all pervading and always worried for His devotees, could not tolerate the suffering of His devotee. He immediately climbed on the back of Garuda and went to the palace of the King. At that time the King was sleeping. The Lord appeared to the King in his sleep and told him, "Oh King, please listen; when guests come to your house, do you let them stay without feeding them and caring for them? Is there anyone in your palace who stays with out eating? My friend had come all the way from Jajpur along with his whole family with so much faith in Me. I provided him food. Did I spend your father's property? I served My friend prasada on My gold plate. What is the problem for you? Your people caught him along with his whole family, and they were beaten severely. They bound them hand and foot and threw them in the prison house. Now my friend's whole family is suffering so much. I order you to go immediately to Puri to release them from jail and wash their lotus feet with the greatest humility. Give them the best cloth and ornaments. Place a turban on my friend's head in order to give him topmost respect. My friend deserves the same service from you as you give to Me. You will provide him and his family with the best food and accommodation for their whole life. If you do not follow My order, your whole family will be destroyed." After saying this, Lord Jagannath woke the King, and then left the palace.

The King immediately called all his ministers and explained everything to them. He personally went to the prison house to release Bandhu Mohanty, and embraced him with affection. The King said, "My life has become successful simply by taking your darshan. Now I am blessed. Please forgive me for all the offenses committed by my people." After saying this, the King performed abhishek to Bandhu Mohanty with holy water, gave him opulent cloth for wearing, and placed a turban on his head with great respect. He arranged for the. maintenance of Bandhu Mohanty's whole family for the rest of their lives. The King respected them as if they were his own relatives. He arranged a house for them near the south gate of the temple. Bandhu Mohanty was happy to stay next to his friend Lord Jagannath. He happily served Lord Jagannath along with his whole family for the rest of their lives.

This is an example of the bhakta-vatsalya mood of Lord Jagannath. Whoever serves Him with great faith, He reciprocates with him in this way. He is very dear to His faithful devotees. Whoever lacks faith, for him Lord Jagannath is very far away.

**Whoever hears or reads this pastime of Bandhu Mohanty will be free from the reaction of all sinful activities. He will achieve success in all his attempts and will never see Yama-loka. This is the verdict of all the Vedic scriptures.**

Thursday, July 23, 2015

New Colombus Hindu Temple

Gaura Govinda Maharaja's Demon Guru Samparadaya

SADHU-SANGA AND VAISNAVA-APARADHA 
Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja:
There are ten nama-aparadhas, offenses to the holy name. The first is sadhu-ninda, blaspheming a sadhu. This is the most serious aparadha. Other types of aparadhas can be rectified, but if you commit sadhu-ninda, vaisnava aparadha, blaspheming sadhu, guru, vaisnava, that offense cannot be rectified or destroyed. There is no atonement. The offender will lose all of his bhakti-sukrti.

[PADA: Correct. Most of the "acharyas" promoted by Gaura Govinda Maharaja have been falling down, because they have been committing offenses. Of course this begs the question, why has GGM been promoting these offenders as his and ISKCON's acharyas? Satsvarupa for example writes "the more I chant, the drier it gets." Thus the "gurus" GGM has been promoting have lost their taste for bhakti, that is self evident. Why has GGM promoted these offenders that are losing their taste for bhakti as his and ISKCON's -- acharyas?


GGM is correct, for him and his GBC to say that Krishna's acharyas are often debauchees or demons is a major Vaishnava aparadha. PADA editor was very surprised in the 1980s to find that Gaura Govinda Maharaja was propping up, and even ghost writing "position papers" for, the GBC's gurus, for example his "Guru Tattva" booklet, wherein GGM says gurus are (or they often become) demons (asuras). God's successors are sometimes or many times -- demons? And GGM wrote the 1988 GBC paper "Gurus Become Demons," because he was behind the scenes their big supporter. 

Since the GBC gurus are often demons, why is GGM supporting that process? 


After giving us a demon for our guru, then GGM advises us in his writings, we should find another guru (who was voted in by the same persons he is now saying are demons). 

01) Why is GGM saying that acharyas are (or they can become) demons? 
02) Which religion starts out by saying to the public -- their gurus are often demons? 

Yes, come and join our church! We often worship demons over here! That means GGM is trying to turn people away from Krishna, by saying most of His acharyas are demons. 


03) The first wave of gurus we gave you were mostly demons, no problem! 
04) We will give you another wave of gurus, who were voted in by the first wave of demons. Yes, the same persons we just announced are demons are going to vote in another wave of persons who will be your gurus.
05) Why is GGM saying gurus are demons, or they are voted in by demons? 
06) Since GGM says the first wave of his gurus contains demons, how can the original demon guru wave vote in a second wave of gurus? Which previous acharyas were demons, or voted in by demons? 
07) Where did GGM find this idea that acharyas are often demons -- or voted in by demons?
08) Then, GGM says since the gurus his program crams down your throat are often demons, you need to pray to Krishna to get a good guru. OK but why is he cramming demon gurus down our throats in the first place? GGM has a license to cram demon gurus down our throats, then we have to pray to Krishna to stop GGM from doing that?   

This is like a bank robber saying, "Well if you do not like me robbing banks, pray to God to make me stop." Why should we have to pray to God to have GGM's program stopped? Why does he not know that his program of making demons into gurus is bogus, and he should stop his bogus program himself?    


09) Why is GGM saying his program of making demon gurus will only be stopped by God, GGM is not going to halt doing his own crimes himself? "I am only going to quit smoking cigarettes when God grabs the cigarettes out of my hands." Why does God have to repair your foolishness? 


GGM's logic is very foolish: "I am going to drive my car onto your foot, and park it there. Then, you'll have to pray to God to have Him drive the car back off your foot. Unless God drives my car off your foot Himself, my car stays on your foot" Does this make any sense? 


10) Why does GGM drive his car onto people's feet in the first place? 
11) Why does GGM say God has to fix his deviations, he is not going to do squat diddley to help his victims? 
12) Who authorized GGM to drive his car onto people's feet? 
13) And why does God have to patch up GGM's foolish idea that he is authorized to cram bogus gurus down other's throats? 
14) And how come these people never answer these points?]    

GGM: Mahaprabhu says that vaisnava-aparadha is like a mad elephant. If a mad elephant enters into a garden then the elephant will pull out all of the creepers and trees from their roots. Everything will be finished. From the very root, bhakti is finished. Such an offender cannot develop krsna-prema.
How can one become free from such an aparādha? You must beg excuse at the lotus feet
of the sadhu or vaisnava against whom you have committed the aparādha. The only means to become
free from this offense is if he excuses you.

[PADA: So why didn't GGM beg forgiveness from Krishna and Srila Prabhupada for claiming their guru successors are often demons?]

GGM: In the beginning you have attachment to your body, bodily relations, home and hearth, wife,
son, daughter, friend, family members, kith and kin. For those who have come to this path of bhajana, if they regularly associate with sādhu-vaisnavas and hear krsna-kathā from their lips, then all these attachments will be finished. Then you will develop attachment to the lotus feet of Krishna. 

[PADA: As soon as a person takes shelter of Srila Prabhupada GGM says this is the bogus ritviks idea, and he stops people from accepting Krishna's representative.] 

GGM: Therefore it is said, mahat-sanga vimuktir dvah — association with the mahatma, pure
sadhu, guru, vaisnava, opens your door to the spiritual kingdom. But if you associate with atheists, non-vaisnavas, offenders, especially if you associate with women or persons very much addicted to women, then you will open your door towards hell, tamo-dvaram. Neophyte sadhakas, those who have come for sadhana, should be very, very careful in this regard. They should become greedy to regularly get association with sadhu-vaisnavas. If you regularly associate with sadhus your material attachment will
gradually be destroyed and you will develop attachment to Krishna. 

— From a lecture in Bhubaneswar, Orissa, 3rd May 1994

[PADA: OK so GGM knows that his gurus are often debauchees, and yet he tells people they need to not only associate with these debauchees but worship such deviants as acharyas. That means, people will not get the taste of bhakti ruci, which comes from the worship of the pure devotees. In any case what is amazing is that GGM is voted in at Bhavananda's recoronation, then he lectures people about how we should not worship deviants because this is the path to hell, and yet he is pushing people onto that path by promoting the worship of deviants and getting voted in at the recoronation of deviants posing as acharyas. ys pd] 

Tuesday, July 21, 2015

Torben / Ajit Krishna Replies

Ajit Krishna: In our debate with Vidura he has consistently presented a logical fallacy as the core argument of his case. If this core argument can be defeated, then Vidura's whole case will shatter.

So here I will simply focus on and defeat that core argument of his:

Vidura Das: VD:

“If Diksa means the initiation of transcendental knowledge, the beginning of spiritual realization, then recieving transcendental knowledge by Srila Prabhupada ("genuine spiritual understanding") makes Srila Prabhupada ones Diksa guru.”

Vidura's logic is flawed. His line of reasoning is:

Premise 1: Diksa means genuine spiritual understanding.
Premise 2: Genuine spiritual understanding is present in a devotee.
Conclusion: Therefore that devotee has been diksa-initiated.

[PADA: A person who is connected to Srila Prabhupada and Krishna will be following the principles forwarded by them. Whereas Ajit's gurus cannot even connect themselves to Krishna, at least not very steadily, since most in fact have fallen down, and thus it is self evident they are not connected to the parampara, ok -- which is why they keep falling down. How can people who are not connected to the parampara connect others to the parampara? As for Kailash chandra, he has connected himself to living in isolation in the desert, he has no program to connect others to Krishna.]


This is a formal fallacy called “Affirming the Consequent* which looks like this:

Premise 1: If P then Q
Premise 2: Q
Conclusion: Therefore P

Let me give an example to illustrate further. We all know that Srila Prabhupada said that:
Being Krishna conscious means being vegetarian. But being vegetarian does not necessarily make you Krishna conscious.

[PADA: Right, some of Ajit's "living gurus" have been taking drugs, engaging in illicit sex, and some are now eating meat, thus they cannot even connect themselves to the basic points of the religion, never mind act as agents to connect others to the parampara. And fools like Maha Vishnu swami endorse this above deviant's guru lineage of debauchees etc. 

Whereas our Prabhupadanuga people are, for the most part, following and not falling. In any case our people are worshiping a pure devotee even if they cannot follow the process themselves, at least they can direct others to the proper connection to the parampara aka Srila Prabhupada.

Ajit says our people, who are following the basics, are NOT connected, whereas the deviant guru lineage -- whose members often cannot follow the basics -- in most of the examples of their acharyas since 1977, are the people Ajit thinks ARE connected. Ajit and Torben claim these "living gurus" are not only "the only ones who are connected," we need to worship the debauchee acharyas program to be connected ourselves? Those who are not debauchees and do not worship debauchees are not connected, while those who are debauchees and who worship a debauchee guru line are connected. Does this make sense?] 

"A vegetarian is not necessarily a devotee, nor is a nonviolent person. But a devotee is automatically both vegetarian and nonviolent. We must conclude, therefore, that vegetarianism or nonviolence is not the cause of devotion." (NOD, Ch. 14)

In the same way, diksa means spiritual understanding. But spiritual understanding does not necessarily mean diksa.

We must conclude, therefore, that "genuine spiritual understanding" is not the cause of diksa."

I must admit that I failed miserably in my attempt to help Vidura understand how his arguments were fallacious. Somehow I am just not able to explain it better than what I just did. But a fallacy is a fallacy, and in a Vedic debate a fallacy must be acknowledged and corrected. Otherwise one has lost the debate.

Your servant,
Ajit Kṛṣṇa Dāsa

[PADA: OK so genuine followers of the guru (the people following his orders) are not following, whereas people who are not following left, right and center, are not only connected, we need to worship these dis-connected people who are not connected to be connected ourselves? 

Or we need to worship a fool like Maha Vishnu whose program says gurus are mostly debauchees, which is not the siddhanta? This makes no sense, Ajit says the people who do follow are NOT connected, while the debauchee guru process ARE connected and following, that means any ten year old walking down the street could defeat Ajit. Every ten year old knows that God's successors are not debauchees and  a debauchee guru line is not connected to God? Why doesn't Ajit know that? ys pd]