Sunday, October 21, 2018

Shri Vrinda Devi Ashtakam (Video)


Hanuman Croatia's Guru Parampara Explained


PADA: Thanks AJD prabhu, for sending me Hanuman Croatia's "lasting impressions" site's "web stats," where he advertises that his site is getting a lot more hits these days. That is fine, but this is the same problem we had with the Hitler-anuga program. They ALSO said they are getting a lot of hits, but what is that doing? How many people want to be disciples of Hitler? So Hanuman is trying to get people to reject the GBC's bogus guru system, simultaneously he is promoting it? That means he is not really helping people, rather he is confusing them.

Anway, before we comment further, lets review the Hanuman Croatia / lasting impressions web site's guru parampara: 



Hanuman Croatia says that Bhakti Vikas Swami 
is a current bona fide guru parampara link.   

Hanuman Croatia says the ritviks are bogus because they do not accept his GBC's appointed and voted in guru parampara. OK fine, but what exactly is Hanuman's guru parampara? He says Bhakti Vikas swami is a bona fide guru in his parampara. And BVKS is a "sannyasa disciple" of Jayapataka swami, and a big promoter of the JPS guru regime and process. 

And Jayapataka swami is in turn -- a founder father of "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators, molesters and criminals as acharyas / messiahs program" (which we had to help their victims sue in court for $400,000,000 for mass child molesting). Not sure why Hanuman Croatia does not know that the enforced cult ritualistic worship of deviants as acharyas program is -- not bona fide -- nor are the people "2/3 show of hands voted in" to such programs -- like his hero co-GBC / JPS messiah BVKS, who is voted into their system.   


Did If forget to mention part of the child abuse lawsuit complaint was that the GBC / BVKS / JPS school program's children were not getting proper food, there were complaints of lack of food, unhealthy diet and etc.? And some of the GBC / BVKS / JPS school children regime's victims thus reported they had stunted growth, bad teeth, and other problems due to this poor diet. But meanwhile, it seems the Bhakti Vikas program's folks made sure Jayapataka had plenty to eat? 


Were the leaders of the child starving program eating enough?

In fact the BVKS program's sannyasa spiritual master became as big as a pig, then a walrus, then an -- elephant! Where was all the food going? Bhakti Vikas swami's program was stuffing it all into JPS pie hole -- and not -- into the children's mouths? Is this what Hanuman Croatia considers as a bona fide program? And if we worship child starving / child abuser programs and the leaders / enablers / participants of that infrastructure, how can we get rid of them, which Hanuman Croatia makes out that he wants to do? 


Lets also not forget that the BVKS program loves the biggest promoters of the sexual predator's acharyas program, like Radhanath swami. And these guys buried a known sexual predator in a samadhi. This is the program we should be hugging and kissing up to? The leader of the Hanuman / Bhakti Vikas swami program is hugging Radhanath, and then Hanuman makes pretend he is against this program? How can we be against the program -- whose members we worship? 


Yep, its the enforced cult ritualistic worship of deviants program's leaders!



We love the people who promote children aggressor programs!


Did If forget to mention JPS kicked me out of ISKCON when I told him Jayatirtha is not qualified to be an acharya?


Of course BVKS encouraging other neophytes to make pretend they are another Jesus who can absorb sins is not working out either, is it?

Sorry! The Hanuman Croatia guru parampara is the same guru parampara he is complaining about! He is fighting his own shadow. We cannot simultaneously promote deviations and protest deviations. Srila Prabhupada says this is like pouring water on the wood we are trying to start on fire. 

In any case, we wonder why Hanuman Croatia does not know that "the cult enforced worship of sexual predators, molesters, deviants, crooks and murder orchestrators as gurus and messiahs" is NOT a bona fide guru parampara? Even any ten year old child in San Francisco knows that this is not a bona fide representation of God and / or His guru successors? Why don't these guys know that? ys pd 






Calling the Cows (Kulning Herding Call) VIDEO


Saturday, October 20, 2018

Rocana: We worship the acharya. Nope, changed my mind!




Looks to us like more and more and more people are:

promoting Srila Prabhupada?

Why don't we see people using the faces of these GBC gurus very much any more?

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Sampradaya Acarya, Part Seven

BY: ROCANA DASA

Oct 19, 2018 — CANADA (SUN) —

The Succession Controversy

Today, all the warring camps that have spawned from the original, pre-samadhi ISKCON share a common hypothesis, which is that before departing, Srila Prabhupada ordered us / GBC to implement a specified process pertaining to future initiations in ISKCON. In my opinion, this supposition is incorrect. Srila Prabhupada followed in his Spiritual Master's footsteps and proposed that the focus of worship be on the Sampradaya Acarya.

[PADA: Which is what the ritviks have said all along? Everyone should worship the sampradaya acharya, whether he is physically present or not. And the bhogha, the disciples, the money, the buildings and everything else -- should be offered to him -- and thus up the chain to Krishna. If the bhogha and the disciples and everything else were offered to him all along and he says "do not change anything," then that process should continue. Rocana is the person creating the controversy here, he says that we have to change the system established by the acharya. Where was this change ordered?]

This irresolvable controversy centers on the existence - or absence - of proof positive. 


[PADA: But Rocana just gave the "proof positive" above, that we ALL have to focus on the worship on the acharya? He himself says that we should ALL worship the sampradaya acharya, whether so-called senior person, brand new person, or anyone else involved in the process of the Krishna religion. That means, everyone has to accept the sampradaya acharya as their link to Krishna, and this is also the sum and substance of the ritvik conclusion. First of all Rocana says, the only existing proof is that we all have to accept Srila Prabhupada as the current sampradaya acharya, then he says, there is no proof we should do so? Rocana is arguing with -- Rocana?]

To date, no unequivocal evidence of Srila Prabhupada's official authorization has come to light approving his senior disciples' assumption of the responsibilities of diksa initiation.... what to speak of their absurd title, "Zonal Acarya". The same problem holds true for the Rtvik proponents, who have no proof positive in support of their conclusions. 

[PADA: There is no proof that everyone should accept the sampradaya acharya as their link to Krishna? Yet Rocana begins his article saying that exclusive focus of worship on the sampradaya acharya is the only system he left for us -- and this system was made personally by the acharya? 

There is no proof that only an uttama can be the acharya? 

There is no proof that neophytes will suffer if they try to absorb sins as diksha gurus? 

There is no proof that neophytes are falling down left, right and center when they try to assume the post of diksha guru? 

There is no proof that Srila Prabhupada says, acharya-upasanam, everyone must take shelter of the acharya? 

And so on and so forth? 

Why has Rocana never found any quotes where Srila Prabhupada says only a pure devotee can be the acharya? And if the GBC's idea of neophytes posing as acharyas is wrong, and the ritvik's idea of accepting the pure devotee as the acharya is also wrong, and the Gaudiya Matha's self-appointed gurus are also wrong, and so forth, then there is no shelter for anyone anywhere? Every path is wrong?]

All parties are relying on interpretations of the very same vague statements and institutional documents, while coming to diametrically opposing conclusions - which indicates just how inconclusive the "proof" actually is.

[PADA: And what has Rocana proven in all this time? He says worship of the GBC is a bogus platform (after he was one of their big reformer cheer leaders), and the ritviks (who are worshiping the bona fide acharya) is another bogus platform, so he has no platform at all? There is no conclusion? He keeps using the words "vague" and "inconclusive" and that is the problem with his idea all along, there is no conclusion other than -- everyone else is wrong, but what is the right idea, he does not say? Srila Prabhupada says the only way to attain Krishna is, to worship His pure devotee. Why is that a vague concept?] 

It appears to me that no irrefutable document or statement has yet been found or is likely to be found, hidden away within Srila Prabhupada's archive. After twenty years of futile research, exponents have had to resort to concocting a meaning from the now famous July 9th letter, preceded by the May 28th room conversation. When challenged on their dubious documentation, most Rtviks ultimately resort to the conspiracy theory.

[PADA: There is no conspiracy theory? Srila Prabhupada said all along, after I am gone there will only be leaders (neophytes) taking the post of managers and / or ritviks. No other idea was ever floated by him the whole time?]

Neither ISKCON, the Gaudiya Matha nor the Rtviks entertain the notion that Srila Prabhupada might simply have followed in the footsteps of his spiritual master, asking that we cooperate and await the next Sampradaya Acarya. Yet considering their elevated spiritual status and pre-determined missions, it seems logical that nitya-siddha shaktavesa avatars would depart in just such an untraditional manner.

[PADA: What? Rocana just said we have to follow the instruction to continue the worship of the acharya? That is the ritvik idea? Why is he not cooperating with Srila Prabhupada on this point?]


The ill-conceived notion that all diksa initiations within ISKCON should be carried out by Rtvik priests representing the departed Srila Prabhupada is inconsistent with all of his teachings, all sastra, all predecessor Acaryas, all sampradayas, and all Vedic and Pancaratrika tradition. 

[PADA: OK, so now Rocana says, we should not continue to worship the acharya because that idea is not found in shastra. Where in shastra does it say the worship of the acharya should not be done? And since Rocana says that new people cannot accept Srila Prabhupada as their diksha guru, who will worship the Krishna deities that Srila Prabhupada installed all over the world? Don't we need initiated brahmanas to do that work? How can the deity worship continue if there are no brahmana followers of the acharya to perform that function? Rocana never says ...]

This conception will lead to a digression from pure Vaisnava philosophy into religiosity. The concept of recognizing and immortalizing the Sampradaya Acarya is commendable. Expanding this vision into post-samadhi diksa unnecessarily complicates the Sampradaya Acarya notion. For all the reasons listed above, this idea becomes a lightning rod for those who wish to relegate Srila Prabhupada to normalcy for their own envious reasons.

[PADA: Worship of the acharya is mundane religiosity, or worse a manifestation of enviousness? No, Srila Prabhupada says that the people who oppose worship of the acharya are envious of the acharya. Why is Rocana envious that people are worshiping the acharya?]

The Rtvik manifesto, "The Final Order", appears to be modeled on the western Judeo / Christian model of organized religion. Srila Prabhupada is transformed into a Christ-like personality who, in absentia, is supposedly willing and able to forgive all the sins of those who are baptized / initiated. Rtviks are, after all, priests by definition. Organizations like the IRM are establishing procedures for Rtvik initiation that will likely evolve over time in ways that create even greater similarity to the western model. The West Coast Rtviks have absorbed the "poisoning of Srila Prabhupada" conclusion into their depiction of Sampradaya history. The result engenders a similarity to the persecution and crucifixion of the Biblical Christ. Religions tend to promote sentimentally dramatized stories over and above disseminating spiritual philosophy.

[PADA: Well if the Christians are not going to worship Jesus, who else should they worship? And Srila Prabhupada says -- Jesus is still taking the sins of his sincere followers even now, so if Jesus is not going to continue in that role, who will take that post? Again, Rocana never says? He can dismantle a process, but he has no process to replace it?

And if the Krishna devotees should NOT worship Srila Prabhupada as their current acharya, then who else should they worship? And if Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, then that means Rocana was very foolish when he went along with the idea that these "poison sabha" people are "gurus" who need to be reformed. Reforming Judas is not the process in any event, we have to jettison Judas and his sabha. 

And what exactly is wrong with the Christian's idea to worship their guru? They should worship someone else, ok maybe, but who is that someone? And if Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, and there are a lot of confirming details, should we simply ignore this issue because "its like the Christian's idea of Jesus being crucified"? And! What is the superior explanation for the poison complaint? How does Rocana explain the poison issue? He doesn't.]

The very supposition of Rtvik-ism, as described by its proponents, depends upon an institutional context for its implementation. While the IRM began in an institutional setting, the West Coast Rtviks have not yet explained how their process will function outside the institution. Who decides which personalities are qualified to perform the Rtvik priestly functions? What are the priest's responsibilities before and after initiation? So many questions have been put forth but remain unanswered. Promoting the Sampradaya Acarya vision of Srila Prabhupada is so much more digestible.

[PADA: How will people worship the acharya outside of the institution? Simple! Same way millions of people worship Jesus, either in or out of the institution? 


However! Worship of Jesus is generally facilitated by the institution, but its not dependent on it. At the same time, at least some form of institution is generally required to spread the religion, to conduct practical institutional programs like: printing the Bibles; training people in the church tradition; guiding the people in worship, coordinating the missionary process -- and so on. 

Yet if a person does not think the local priest properly represents the religion, they can also just worship Jesus at home on their own. However the principle of worship of the acharya always remains. Right now the Catholic Church is under many criminal investigations, but many of the followers will continue to worship Jesus with our without their formal institution. 

Now, do we depend on a formal institution? Not always, but its something Srila Prabhupada wanted, a regulated formal mission. First of all, that is what a formal religion does. It appoints priests, and it oversees and supervises the priests. And then there is a council of church elders (a brahminical council) which monitors the activities of the local priest, supervises the churches financials and so forth. And they all report their local activity program to a national governing council of churches (a GBC).]

ISKCON leaders are also into sentimentalism as opposed to philosophy. Many have written autobiographies that tell unverifiable pastime stories involving their relationship with Srila Prabhupada. Many Bhagavatam classes morph into story-telling sessions wherein the speaker puts a little more shine on their public image. Srila Prabhupada's absolute spiritual position as Sampradaya Acarya is never philosophically presented. Instead, he is depicted in the manner of the speaker's mental conception.

"The Supreme Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, in pursuance of the teachings of the scriptures enjoins all absence of conventionalism for the teachers of the eternal religion. It does not follow that the mechanical adoption of the unconventional life by any person will make him a fit teacher of religion."

Putana by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.

[PADA: OK so we have to all take shelter of the acharya, except that is a nonsense institutional Judeo / Christian deviation. Rocana is arguing with -- Rocana. ys pd]

Friday, October 19, 2018

Federal Racketeering Laws vs Catholic Church

Violence Overtakes Sabarimala Temple Zone

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/18/world/asia/india-sabarimala-temple.html

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada did not want us to cause a scene at Hindu temples where Westerners were being forbidden. Yet it looks like the idea that India's temples are for "anyone" is growing slowly. That was actually Srila Prabhupada's idea, temples are for all of the different varieties of the jeeva souls, we should not forbid anyone from seeing the deity of Krishna or other deities. 

This is something like the Supreme Court ruling about the Jagganath Puri temple recently. Women should be allowed to participate in religion because for starters, Srila Prabhupada said women are the back bone of religion in India. They participate in much larger numbers when allowed to. ys pd] 


Thursday, October 18, 2018

Short Discussion on "Criticize or Not"?



AD: This does not mean what some people think this means. Hint: it starts by looking in the mirror.

MP: Why can't you do both...?

AD: Just saying don't do it unless first looking in the mirror. Some people miss this point. That being said, once we reach a certain level of Bhakti, we will feel compelled to remain silent and to not challenge the faith of other devotees, because we will be engaged in higher pursuits. This does not invalidate the role we may play up to that point, particularly if we or our family or loved ones are victims of the offender.

V Dasa: In realizing we can't even know ourselves without help, we confirm we are not a saint, and then must seek out who is a saint, for only the self realized can see who anyone else truly is.

PADA: Yes I was talking recently to my friend's son (who is a younger policeman). I told him how I was whistle blowing on the banning, beating, molesting, and sometimes assassinations going on under the GBC's "guru regime," and I was getting severe push back for doing that, including death threats, was called a liar, was being chased with baseball bats and so on. And I still am getting push back to some extent. 


He said that is almost exactly what happens to him in the "rough neighborhood" areas the police patrol. He called these areas "the untouchable's zones" because its almost impossible to find eye-witnesses. Worse, sometimes the witnesses they do find seem to lie and create contrary accounts -- to help cover up for the bad guys. Even worse, many actual victims do not want to press charges etc. Some people are brave enough to tell the police exactly what happened, but they do not want to go to the station to make a formal complaint statement, what to speak of testify in court, which renders their testimony not very helpful.   
So! Its usually almost impossible to find out what really happened, or press any actual charges. And therefore its very rare they can actually prosecute anyone, even for crimes that are committed in broad daylight with many witnesses. He said my experience and his experience are similar. There are crimes going on, and the people in the untouchable's zone won't help contain them. That makes the residents of these zones either willing or unwilling facilitators, enablers, help-mates and assistants to the criminals. 

(Sulochana called the GBC's enabling hand maidens "Zombies").

My policeman friend said a lot of the resident people in these zones are honest and good people, but they are too afraid to go up against the criminals who run their neighborhood on their own. I said wow that is what happened in ISKCON, most of the people are good people, but they do not want to speak up, make waves and so forth. Even the eye-witnesses often would not speak up. 

I said only now, decades later, there are more people writing expose articles and using their names. We had to deal with usually anonymous testimony for many years because most people simply did not want to come out and say anything, and have their name attached to any forms of complaints.

Of course, we often were told "prabhu I have to chant my rounds now" when we asked people to assist us. And that is how all these crimes have been empowered and enabled. Yep, he was amazed at the parallel stories we both had. ys pd

MKP: THEY SAY: 'WHY YOU CRITICIZE OTHERS?

"Giriraja: [reading from Krsna book] "Krsna, who advented Himself just to kill all undesirable elements in the world..."

Prabhupāda: [aside:] Hare Krsna. Who is this boy?

Giriraja: "...just to kill all the..."

Prabhupada: Yes. Similarly, this movement is advented to kill all the so-called yogis, svamis, avataras, rascals, philosophers, commentators. We have to kill. Kill means... Where is your tilaka? You did not have tilaka in the morning?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Ah. So this is our, one of our items, to vanquish all these rascals, so-called svamīs. They say that "Why you criticize others also?" Because we have to vanquish them. Now these people cannot rise. When there is sunrise, there is no use of these glowworms. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is Kṛṣṇa Himself. Therefore they must be finished, all over the world. So-called religionists, so-called philosophers, so-called avatāras, svāmīs, yogīs---finished. Our program should be like that."

Bombay, 1975

https://prabhupadavani.org/transcriptions/740501mwbom/

PRABHUPADAVANI.ORG

Here is one real quote, something that Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati really said regarding exposing deviations and criticising nonsense people:

A chanter of Hari-kirtana is necessarily the uncompromising enemy of worldliness and hypocrisy. It is his constant function to dispel all misconceptions by preaching the truth in its most unambiguous form, without any consideration of person, place, or time. The form to be adopted is that which is least likely to be misunderstood. It is his bounden duty to clearly and frankly oppose any person who tries to deceive and harm himself and others by misrepresenting the truth, whether due to malice or genuine misunderstanding.

This will be possible if the chanter of kirtana is always prepared to submit to being trodden upon by thoughtless people, if such discomfort will enable him to benefit his persecutors by chanting of the truth in the most unambiguous manner.

If he is unwilling or afraid of considerations of self-respect or personal discomfort to chant kirtana under all circumstances, he is unfit to be a preacher of the absolute truth. Humility implies perfect submission to the truth and no sympathy for untruth. Those who entertain any partiality for untruth are unfit to chant Hari-kirtana. Any clinging to untruth is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to the truth. (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Harmonist 26.249-50 (Apr 1929))

AD: This seems to be a very high standard, Prabhu.

MKP: Why did Srila Bhaktisidanta Saraswati Thakur create the Gaudiya Math?
Why did His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada create ISKCON ... print millions of books ... and want us to preach... If one has to be perfect before one can preach...we should all pack our bags and go home ...

AD: Yet it seems that this fact has been turned into a loophole that is exploited by demons who turn Sri Guru’s mission into Guru Business.

MKP: Yes indeed ... and one has to be able to discriminate ... that requires intelligence ... or the ability to be critical ... otherwise one will definitely be cheated and abused. It's right there in Bhagavad Gita...

Chapter 16...the Divine and demoniac nature ... If one is not taught how to discriminate or cannot or is unable to discriminate ... ones future is not very bright.. Would I trust a 4 year old to drive my car...???

V Dasa: His message here carries radically different implications as one comes to understand the depth of Truth disseminated by Sriman Mahaprabhu—that of Its ultimately merciful nature. With respect to such nature of Truth, a message like this is about protecting our hearts from pride and shame, which swindlers use to control and exploit aspiring students of spirituality.

AD: The final paragraph does not seem to emphasize mercy at all. It seems to emphasize that a preacher should be uncompromising in their commitment and submission to the truth. Certainly, when Srila Prabhupada found out about deviations he was administered justice swiftly and authoritatively, while also showing mercy. What sort of mercy are you referring to in your comment?

"If he is unwilling or afraid of considerations of self-respect or personal discomfort to chant kirtana under all circumstances, he is unfit to be a preacher of the absolute truth.

Humility implies perfect submission to the truth and no sympathy for untruth. Those who entertain any partiality for untruth are unfit to chant Hari-kirtana. Any clinging to untruth is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to the truth."

(Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur, Harmonist 26.249-50 (Apr 1929))

V Dasa: The mercy to protect one's self and the general public from deception.
Point is, not only is it lacking humility to tolerate corruption of Divine Love's Truth, but also lacking compassion.

PADA: A devotee recently said we devotees were like the frogs in a pot. When the frog is put into a pot of hot water he jumps out right away. When the frog is put into a pot of cool water -- and the heat comes up gradually he stays there until he is dead. We should have taken action to stop the deviations in ISKCON right at the start, but we waited, and that killed ISKCON. In sum he said, criticism is sometimes required and its part of critical thinking, without which, its a blind following cult. ys pd


AD: When all the people who are complicit in the deviations finally leave their bodies an ISKCON revival may be possible.

PADA: Yes, some of the gurukuli victims said to me, they cannot think of any one person who is not complicit. Of course when I started complaining about the gurukula problem in 1978, then Sridhara Maharaja said "none should protest" and he was one of the regime's cheer leaders of what I called -- the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles as messiahs project. 

So there were the GBC, and their cheer leaders and enforcers, and the mass of sheeple who just did not want to criticize because they thought criticism is not vaishnava. That's just like the hippies, who did not want to call the police on the criminal activity in Haight Ashbury area. And so -- more and more crooks got out of jail and moved to the Haight, and then they basically took over the whole sector, and then the city had to hire 100 cops and buy 25 new cop cars, just to contain the Golden Gate area. 

Unfortunately, we did not have the cops come in to ISKCON, so the criminals just took over lock, stock and barrel. Yes it will take several generations to fix all this, agreed. In any case, the police folks almost always seem to have no problem understanding what I am reporting, its just the "greatly advanced devotees" who often do not. The good news? Eventually "the devotees" will figure out what the cops figured out a long time ago, this GBC guru program is a fraudulent / criminal operation posing as a spiritual society. ys pd

Tuesday, October 16, 2018

Unwanted Creepers in Devotional Service


Dhamaghosa Dasa: Hare Krsna -
Below are two different conversations and one purport by Srila Prabhupada where he is warning us all-- to beware of not trying to cultivating pure bhakti and instead continue to cultivate offenses, which will lead to our downfall of either becoming an atheist , mayavadi, or sahajiya. Not a pretty picture in any case. Yet another very good reason to keep our noses buried in the books so as to avoid all these pitfalls on the path of devotion.
Hare Krsna
damaghosa das
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1.) March 1 1975 Atlanta conversations --- One who is completely free from all sinful activities, they can become pure devotee. So even after becoming free from sinful activities, if one has got some motive, then he is also not pure devotee. Pure devotee means without any material motive: "God is great. I am His subordinate. I must love God. I must render service to God." 

This is pure devotee. And if I go to God, "Please give me my bread," that is not pure devotee, because he has got some purpose. As soon as his purpose is fulfilled, he may turn non-devotee. Just like one of my German Godbrothers said that in Germany during the last war, Second World War, many women used to go to the church to pray to God to get back their husband, son, or brother. But nobody came back. 

And they became atheist: "There is no God. We prayed so much, and my father did not come, my brother did not come, my son did not come." So motivated devotion is sometimes frustrated, and they become atheist.

2.) Feb 25 1975 room conversation --

Ramesvara: Just like this Alice Coltrane. She has done her small part. She made this record album with Govinda Jaya Jaya and Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: That is... That will be a good thing. But when he (she) does it properly it will be more effective, because there is... If one does not chant in the process, then gradually it degrades. The offense will increase. There is chance.

3.) Madhya 19.160 -- "If one does not distinguish between the bhakti-lata creeper and the other creepers, the sprinkling of water is misused because the other creepers are nourished while the bhakti-lata creeper is curtailed.

PURPORT -- If one chants the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra while committing offenses, these unwanted creepers will grow. One should not take advantage of chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra for some material profit. As mentioned in verse 159: 
'nisiddhacara', 'kutinati', jiva-himsana' 'labha', 'puja', 'pratisthadi' yata upasakha-gana

The unwanted creepers have been described by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. He states that if one hears and chants without trying to give up offenses, one becomes materially attached to sense gratification. One may also desire freedom from material bondage like the Mayavadis, or one may become attached to the yoga-siddhis and desire wonderful yogic powers. 
If one is attached to wonderful material activities, one is called siddhi-lobhī, greedy for material perfection. One may also be victimized by diplomatic or crooked behavior, or one may associate with women for illicit sex. Others may make a show of devotional service like the prakrta-sahajiyas, or one may try to support his philosophy by joining some caste or identifying himself with a certain dynasty, claiming a monopoly on spiritual advancement. 

Thus with the support of family tradition, one may become a pseudo guru or so-called spiritual master. One may become attached to the four sinful activities-illicit sex, intoxication, gambling and meat eating, or one may consider a Vaisnava to belong to a mundane caste or creed. One may think, "This is a Hindu Vaisnava, and this is a European Vaisnava. A European Vaisnava is not allowed to enter the temples." In other words, one may consider Vaisnavas in terms of birth, thinking one a brahmana Vaisnava, a sudra Vaisnava, a mleccha Vaisnava and so on. 

One may also try to carry out a professional business while chanting the Hare Krsna mantra or reading Srimad-Bhagavatam, or one may try to increase his monetary strength by illegal means. One may also try to be a cheap Vaisnava by chanting in a secluded place for material adoration, or one may desire mundane reputation by making compromises with nondevotees, compromising one's philosophy or spiritual life, or one may become a supporter of a hereditary caste system. All these are pitfalls of personal sense gratification. Just to cheat some innocent people, one makes a show of advanced spiritual life and becomes known as a sadhu, mahatma or religious person. All this means that the so-called devotee has become victimized by all these unwanted creepers and that the real creeper of bhakti-lata-bija has been stunted.

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Srila Prabhupada states that those who come in the guise of following religious principles to mislead people are the most dangerous elements:
“By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. [...] to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society.”
(Sri Isopanisad, Mantra 12, purport)

Sunday, October 14, 2018

Harinama Malaysia (Video)


Rocana Concocts "Regular Joe Devotee" Acharya's Title

ROCANA DAS: Today's Gaudiya Matha avoids discussion on the distinction between the lofty spiritual qualifications of the Sampradaya Acaryas and the regular diksa gurus. 

[PADA: Wait? Normally, shastra says that an acharya is a pure devotee and "diksha guru" -- which means "one who able to give pure divyam jnanam and absorb sins" (aka diksha). Now Rocana says nope, shastra is not correct! Why?Because: there are now -- all of a sudden -- two levels of diksha gurus. 

There are: (A) the pure devotee diksha guru acharyas (aka Srila Prabhupada) -- those who can give pure divyam jnanam and absorb sins (give diksha); And now there is another level of diksha guru namely -- (B) the ordinary "regular Joe devotee" diksha guru.  

Yes, there are pure devotee diksha gurus and the ordinary man "regular Joe" diksha gurus. Ooops, shastra says it is a severe offense to say that the guru is an ordinary man aka "regular guy" and "ordinary Joe" level of devotee. Srila Prabhupada said to us, "When a layman tries to perform the brain surgery operation he will cause chaos, and people will die. And guru is way beyond brain surgeon." Sorry, we do not want the ordinary "regular Joe guy" to perform our brain surgery operation?  

Where does Srila Prabhupada say there are (A) pure devotee diksha gurus, and (B) regular Joe devotee diksha gurus? And where was this process ever implemented in Vaishnavism? Where do we find any examples of the "pure devotee diksha gurus" and the "regular Joe devotee" diksha gurus? Isn't Rocana concocting this whole idea? And haven't Rocana's "regular Joe / ordinary guy gurus" created a whole lot of bad surgery operations? 

Yes, there is Jesus -- a person who can absorb sins, and now (according to Rocana at least) there is the regular guy, ordinary Joe neophyte who can also absorb sins like Jesus is doing. Rocana is telescoping these levels together, just like his Gaudiya Matha and GBC mentors have done. 

What exactly is an ordinary "regular Joe devotee diksha guru" in the first place? No one can even find such an idea in Srila Prabhupada's books? And how does this work in real life, there is (A) the real brain surgeon, and (B) there is the ordinary guy, regular Joe hospital janitor -- who can also perform the brain surgery? This will result in people dying, that's all! 

Sorry, there is no such thing as the regular guy, ordinary Joe, i.e. conditioned soul diksha guru. Srila Prabhupada has said this many times, when a drowning man tries to save another drowning man, they both drown. The conditioned neophyte "regular Joe devotee" cannot absorb the sins of another conditioned soul, it will cause both of them to fail.]  

RD: They do not recognize Srila Prabhupada to be of equal stature with his predecessor Sampradaya Acaryas, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur. 

[PADA: Correct, for the Gaudiya Matha folks and Rocana to say that the "regular Joe devotee" can act in the same diksha guru capacity and status as the acharyas has minimized the status of actual acharyas. Why does Rocana keep saying that the regular Joe devotee can be a diksha guru and absorb sins like Jesus, which is what Sridhara Maharaja and the bogus Gaudiya Matha folks established after 1936? Did I forget to mention that there has been an epidemic of sickness, madness, criminality, scandals, lawsuits, police raids, fall downs, murders, porno swamis buried in samadhis -- and so and and so forth ad infinitum -- all of which emanates from Rocana's "ordinary Joe" guru parampara?  

Yes, no one we know of has ever heard of the "ordinary Joe guru parampara" from Srila Prabhupada's works?

And aren't these ordinary man "regular Joe devotee diksha gurus" getting sick, falling down, going insane and dying prematurely from absorbing sins without authority? Never mind Rocana's "regular Joe messiahs" often are getting bogged down with many other offenses in general, because Srila Prabhupada says when the neophytes or "regular Joe devotees" take the post of acharya, they put on cement boots that takes them (and their followers) to the most hellish planets? 

Why does Rocana want to place cement boots on his fellow devotees, and send them packing off to the hellish planets?



Isn't Rocana killing neophytes by telling them they can absorb sins?

Srila Prabhupada says that when the ordinary Joe neophytes pose as acharyas they go to hell, and their followers go to hell with them. And that means -- if this policy is implemented in ISKCON -- then the whole society too also goes to hell. Why does Rocana keep saying he wants everyone to go to hell by artificially juxtaposing acharyas with his regular Joe / ordinary citizen devotees?] 

RD: The Gaudiya Matha leadership's practice of actively seeking and encouraging siksa relationships with the Sampradaya Acarya's own disciples is a practice that clearly ignores Srila Prabhupada's elevated spiritual status. 

[PADA: Yep, Rocana preaches exactly what the Gaudiya Matha preaches, that diksha gurus aka acharyas are sometimes regular Joe guys who fall down into scandals and so on. Sridhara Maharaja says, acharyas can go mad after money, women and followers, and how did you guess -- so do the GBC's and Rocana's.]

RD: The Gaudiya Matha does not differentiate between the potency of the disciple's direct connection to the Sampradaya through a Sampradaya Acarya, as opposed to the connection made through any other diksa or siksa guru.

[PADA: That is right, the Gaudiya Matha and Rocana think (A) the acharyas are  diksha gurus and so are (B) the regular Joe devotees, who are also diksha gurus. They do not differentiate that -- the regular Joe janitor cannot be a brain surgeon. This is not possible. Rather there are tons of warnings in shastra, do not juxtapose the regular Joe devotees with the diksha guru acharyas.] 

RD: Srila Prabhupada possessed extraordinary powers of personal perception. This was evident when he shared his realizations about the unfortunate events following His Spiritual Master's disappearance. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati requested the appointment of a GBC to maintain the preaching mission upon his departure, but he was silent as to the appointment of a successor Acarya.


[PADA: No he was not silent? He said none of you are qualified to be diksha gurus, and none of my Gaudiya Matha brothers were qualified in 1936 either. And he also established a system where he was going to be worshiped as the acharya after he departed. Thus the bhogha, the disciples, the money and everything else was going to be offered to him. And furthermore he said (countless times) -- do not change anything. 

And furthermore he said many things like -- we neophytes cannot even allow people to touch our feet or we will be acting as diksha gurus, thus we will be absorbing sins, and this will take us down. He never said us regular Joe devotees can absorb sins as diksha gurus? He said the exact opposite -- and often. Of course this is called insanity, the regular Joe ordinary guy can pilot a 747, can do brain surgery, and can take the post of Jesus. These people end up in Bellevue mental home.]



RD: History has repeatedly demonstrated that both Acaryas placed the burden of responsibility squarely upon their respective GBC appointees, without precise instructions as to how their tasks should be accomplished. 

[PADA: There are no precise instructions? What? There are tons of instructions! He said: the regular Joe devotee cannot absorb sins. Do not artificially make the regular Joe devotee into a diksha guru. We have to offer our bhogha to the pure devotee EXCLUSIVELY. Do not change anything. Only accept an uttama as the guru, and so on -- ad infinitum? Why is Rocana never reading any of these quotes, they are clear as daylight!]

RD: The onus was on them to come to the proper conclusion that their guru was much more than a "regular" spiritual master, but was rather a rare Sampradaya Acarya. As such, the normal course of events did not apply. During his lila, Lord Caitanya choose not to provide a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavata, parampara-Acarya to replace him.

By purposefully sidestepping the succession issue, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's final instruction was for a cooperative effort. 


[PADA: The issue of succession is clear, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta will remain as the acharya and there will only be a managerial board to manage the mission. There are hundreds of Churches in San Francisco and that is what they do also, they worship the acharya and have a managerial board to manage the mission. A priest reads from the words of Jesus, but he does not assume the post of Jesus?

There are also many people who still worship Ramanuja, Madhva and other acharyas in India and they also have managers to keep their temples functioning. Cooperating means, keeping the acharya in the center and not declaring that the ordinary Joe devotees can also give diksha like the acharyas.]

RD: This was also the case with Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers were left with the same dilemma faced by Srila Prabhupada's GBC. Both GBC's (1937 - 1977) had to ponder the question of whether they should simply revert back to the traditional process of allowing disciples to assume diksa guru responsibilities, or work together to come up with a practical alternative that would maintain the momentum within the surcharged mission established by a shaktavesa avatara. 

[PADA: Making the ordinary Joe devotees into diksha gurus is not found anywhere in the tradition? We also do not "allow" the ordinary Joe devotees to be diksha gurus, that means allowing deviation. Allowing the regular Joe neophyte devotee to "assume" the post of Jesus and tell people he can absorb sins as a diksha guru is also never found in the tradition?

We "assume" the post of Jesus, and take the responsibility of being Jesus, fine, what happens if we are not on the level Jesus? Notice Rocana's word "assume." That means we are not on that level, we are "assuming" we can be brain surgeons, but we are not actually qualified for that post. 

That means, the patients will die ... and we will be arrested for manslaughter if not homicide for artificially "assuming" the post of brain surgery. 

We hear this all the time, well Jayatirtha "assumed" the post of acharya, and he failed. Well yes, if I assume I am another Jesus, that will be the cause of my failure. We do not "assume" these levels. Of course the prakrita sahajiyas also assume they are pure devotees, gopis, manjaris, gurus, acharyas, and so on -- that is why Srila Prabhupada says, they are gliding to hell. We do not assume these positions, we have to be qualified first.]

RD: Common sense and historical memory indicates that taking the traditional direction would likely cause the Acarya's organization to self-destruct, which they both undoubtedly did.

[PADA: Making the ordinary Joe devotee into a diksha guru or an acharya is what causes mission to self-destruct. And Rocana has been among the biggest cheer leader of making ordinary men into acharyas, which is why Srila Prabhupada says -- gurusuh narah matih -- narakah sah, anyone who thinks the guru is an ordinary regular Joe guy is -- a resident of hell. No wonder then that Ajit Krishna / Torben / Kim Moller / Hanuman Croatia etc. cannot explain their support for Rocana's apa-siddhanta. 

A "regular devotee" has to act as the street sweeper / temple pot washer / agent / deputy / preacher / at best priest (ritvik) representative of the acharya. Nothing more than that!

ys pd]

Saturday, October 13, 2018

Paramadvaiti Defenders Coming Out! (History Repeats Update)


Devotees and public know: This is not sannyasa? 


Some of the followers of Paramadvaiti swami (formerly Alanath) are rallying around him, trying to discredit the claims that he has had inappropriate behavior with a female disciple. They are doubling down, saying he is a pure devotee and only the envious are attacking him. Very typical of how people have reacted to our complaints about the GBC folks too, "oh these people are envious" etc.

One of my senior God brother friends said, we ISKCON devotees have been like the story of the frog in a pot of water. If you toss a frog into a pot of hot water, he jumps out immediately. Yet if you put him in a pot of cold water, and then turn up the heat slowly, he stays there until the water is too hot, and then he dies. So he noted, we sort of knew something bad was going down in ISKCON, but we did not know how bad it was going to become, until it was too late. He said the Paramadvaiti program is simply another result of us waiting too long, now all these deviations have taken root all over, but its too late for us to stand up and fix them. In sum -- too little too late. 

Meanwhile, a quite younger devotee told PADA that he was in ISKCON in his past life when it started going really bad, and he died early on when that was happening. And now he has taken re-birth again to come back to fix the mess going on, and he wants to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. OK, great! That is theoretically possible, I would think. 

Anyway, there are all too many photos of Paramadvaiti "swami" hugging / embracing women, so its plain and obvious that he is not behaving like a sannyasa. And its easy to imagine he "went to far" with at least one (or more) of these women. He is also getting massaged by women, and so on and so forth. OK the mass of devotees and public will never accept that this is a bona fide sannyasa, guru or "living representative of God." His program is like a walking bad advertisement to discourage people from participating in the Krishna religion. 

Did I forget to mention he leads his people to listen to other bogus so-called Gaudiya gurus who preach against Srila Prabhupada's ideas? Did I forget to mention Mahanidhi swami leads people to listen to the same deviated if not sahajiya folks? Its an epidemic of going to the wrong sources, which is why these hokey gurus are flourishing, they get hand maiden support from other deviated or sahajiya gurus.    

Same type problem with Sacinandan swami's leading people off the ISKCON reservation to bogus supposed Gaudiya authorities and ok -- his female assistant issue. Same problem with Indradyumna seeming to have his hands on women and girls all too often. Same problem with Kirtanananda being covered with the hands of fifty boys when he sat on his Vyasa. Same type problem with Jayadvaita swami saying the parampara contains illicit sex. All this and more? It turns people off.

Same problems with the GBC's making Kirtanananda's right hand men like: Radhanath / Umapati / Kuladri / Devamrita / Chandra Shekhar / Chandramauli etc. "the best defenders of ISKCON's current guru parampara." Who will respect the biggest hand maidens and defenders of the biggest sexual predator criminal guru (and his empire) in Vaishnava history?

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/04/jvalamukhis-testimonial-re-radhanatha.html




Looking odd for a sannyasa?



Why in the hell are people chanting "Jaya Prabhupada"?

And who is going to admire much less -- worship such a parampara? 

Hardly anyone. Its going to turn people away. And now the GBC folks are burying deviants in the holy dham. Again, who wants to worship such a parampara? Maybe no one, ok almost no one. Yes, it almost looks intentional, they are turning people off and away from KRISHNA.

Ooops! Same type problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks promoting the GBC's biggest cheer leader defenders like Bhakta Das, if not their Illuminati / Hitler-anuga process. How many people want to become disciples of the GBC's cheer leaders -- or Alex Jones, David Icke, or maybe Hitler too? OK almost no devotees are attracted to these things. Instead, they are turning people away and turning them off. And what does any of this have to do with Krishna anyway? Its all deviating people off the path to Krishna.




Gurus misbehaving discredits the whole Vedic authority.


Recently the devotee who was arrested in India for alleged attempted murder also acted like a fool on public TV. Yep, this guy is also not helping his own case much by acting belligerent and attacking the police. He is also giving the devotees a bad name by misbehaving like this on public TV. OK! Its turning people off.

One devotee wrote to tell me recently, most of the devotees she knows are "bat manure crazy," thus they do not know how to conduct proper dealings with other devotees, or even with the non-devotees. And she says, mostly this is because a good number of these "devotees" are too proud and arrogant, so she is not surprised by their belligerent actions. And its the bad behavior of these so-called devotees that is making the Krishna movement look odious and thus unpopular.

There seems to be something to this analysis, when Hansadutta was the guru in Berkeley his followers advertised him as the "gangster prankster guru," "machine gun swami" and so on. They had no clue how his foolish behavior and their arrogant attitude of supporting his deviations was completely out of touch with the mass of devotees and the public. They were turning people off from Krishna EN MASSE. Now Purujit thinks we need to go back to the leader of this project for help?

Yep! So now a whole bunch of the Paramadvaiti followers are coming to his aid after he was getting complaints of victimizing a female, they do not understand how they are looking arrogant when, for starters, there are many photos of Paramadvaiti hugging women and girls -- which itself is cause to reject him as a sannyasa and acharya. They think advertising this fellow is helping, nope, its making a bad example of the religion.  

They are still writing Vyasa poojas for him despite all this? I agree with the lady who wrote us, its all arrogance. The mass of devotees do not approve of these guru shenanigans, which is why most of them are aloof, and neither does the public. Anyway, these guys seem to have simply made ISKCON's and their own problems worse with their arrogance. The Gaudiya Matha folks also created scandals and ruined the name of their mission. Those who fail to heed history are condemned to repeat it. ys pd   

Muslim Woman Converts to Hindu: Loves Krishna

Friday, October 12, 2018

Michael J Bojer Arrested For Attempted Murder in Vrndavana

A few updates here:


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PADA: Who is this guy? 

Does bogus GBC promote a sort of misogyny culture these days?

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[PADA: Tentatively identified as Madhumangala das, allegedly of the Narayana Maharaja camp, third from left. Swami in photo not yet identified. His defenders are saying this was all "a set up" by either the woman and the police, or just the police -- and the woman is not involved in any plot, or what? Not sure what to believe at this point. 

However, near or AFTER we get to age 50, we should not be skirt chasing much younger women, or chasing any aged women. What to speak of making a woman pregnant, which means the child will be 20 when the father is 70, not good at all. That is not recommended for spiritual life. 

It seems that every day or two, skirt chasing victimization brings down all sorts of self-styled sadhus, swamis, yogis, avatars, politicians and the like, sometimes more than a few per day. What to speak then of us teeny peon aspiring people who also seem to be struggling with the illusions of the material energy too. Of course, none of this would have happened if he were not skirt chasing, plain and simple. 

We need to learn from all this. 

I am sure more details will emerge later on. If anyone has details, especially details not mentioned, or corrections etc. let us know ... ]