Thursday, August 31, 2017

Devotional Creeper Weeds Overtake Radhadesh ISKCON Belgium

video


Conor Ryan (Kanai Das) laments: 

The overgrown weed filled gardens at Radhadesh Temple, that he once had in wonderful condition. 

(Petite Somme 5 Septon, Luxembourg, Belgium 6940).


[PADA: There really is not a whole lot of commentary one can make about these disheartened ex-members of various temples, farms and communities. Its pretty self evident what has happened here, the self-sufficient "varnasrama farms" projects that Srila Prabhupada wanted and ordered (and he said are the next 50 percent of what he wants done) have been largely neglected, and maybe made into giant weed piles with not enough manpower to revive these projects. 

We hear reports of various project's: buildings being deteriorated; cow's fences gone down and not repaired; cows suffering due to lack of funds and manpower; heaters going down in winter -- and poor devotees dressed like snow men in the freezing temple inside; and basically a lot of the "farm project" efforts that were minimized, dwindled down, closed, sold off and so forth. 

The gurukula schools project was also neglected, to the peril of the children inside. The householder's based management program was also neglected, and gradually a few big shot so-called sannyasas grabbed almost all the legal, financial and micro-managing controls, and made mini-fascist states where they had absolute reign. And that means just about anyone who had doubts had to be driven out on a rail, and since almost everyone had doubts, these projects became empty shells -- or as Lokanatha swami said, they became empty ghost towns.

And now the few people remaining -- in what Lokanatha swami says are the "skeleton crew" folks, are having a very hard time managing what is remaining. All this so that a few elite people could live opulently and drain the resources of the society into use for what seems to be -- their personal opulent / jet set lifestyles. An ex-gurukuli told PADA, this is exactly the same way Kim Jong Un manages North Korea, a few elites live like Saudi Princes, while the peons get to eat a few old corn husks, if they can find any.  

Anyway! Good job explaining this Kanai Das. 

We Prabhupadanugas are forging ahead to make our own independent process of worship of Krishna without having to be under the dangling Damocles swords over our heads from the GBC overlords. No one can block a person from connecting to Krishna if the person is sincere, and that is why so many people are now making a roundabout path to Krishna -- going to Krishna without these elite overlords to block, harass and check their progress. What these alienated guys need to do is -- make their own independent programs, temples and facilities, and serve Krishna without all the baggage of these mis-managers. Bangalore, Singapore, Vancouver, Montreal, Sunnyvale, New Jersey, Boston and many other places are already doing this and we need to expand on this platform. 

Yep I know, a number of people already told me how ironic it is that Srila Prabhupada says we have to beware the weeds of our devotional life, and how these farm projects turned into piles of weeds due to these mis-manager's neglect and / or exploiting these programs. 

I also had several recent whack-doodle conversations with the followers of Narayan Maharaja and Sridhara Maharaja, where they told me sure, there was banning, beating, molesting and assassinating going on, but these "advisors" had to encourage the GBC to be gurus to "unify the society." Great, they unified the society on the principle of worship of deviants as messiahs. What could go wrong here?   

**** Dasi: They poisoned Prabhupada and then poisoned everything else.

ys pd  

Tuesday, August 29, 2017

Radharani Ki Jaya (Video)


Crime of the Millenium (New Video on Poison Issue)


Srimate Radharani Quotes

Quotes about Srimate Radharani

(Compiled by Padmapani dasa)

The following are just a few of the many quotes from Srila Prabhupada which encourage us to approach Krishna through the mercy of Srimati Radharani, Krishna's eternal consort. For those of us who feel that there is no hope of making spiritual progress in this lifetime, Srimati Radharani, Who is compassion personified, kindly comes to our rescue if we can humbly invoke Her divine blessings.

tapta-kancana-gaurangi radhe vrndavanesvari
vrsabhanu-sute devi pranamami hari-priye

"I offer my respects to Radharani whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vrndavana. You are the daughter of King Vrsabhanu, and You are very dear to Lord Krishna."

(Sri Radha Pranama)

"Actually, because Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is very difficult to approach Him. But the devotees, taking advantage of His compassionate nature, which is represented by Radharani, always pray to Radharani for Krishna's compassion."

(Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 22)

"Krishna, everyone is trying to love Krishna, but Krishna is trying to love somebody. Now how great She is. Just try to understand. Everyone, the whole world, the whole universe, all living entities, they are trying to love Krishna, krsna-prema. Lord Caitanya describes, prema-pumartho mahan. And Rupa Gosvami described that 'You are distributing krsna-prema.' So krsna-prema is so valuable, but Krishna is after Radharani. Just see how Radharani is great. Just try to understand the greatness of Radharani. Therefore She is so great, and we have to offer our respect."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, August 30, 1968)

"Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami offers his respectful obeisances to Srimati Radharani, taking a straw in his mouth. Indeed, he prays, 'O Gandharvika, Srimati Radharani, just as Lord Krishna never rejects a surrendered soul, please don't reject me.'"

(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.166, Purport)

"Radharani can deliver Krishna. She is so great a devotee, the emblem of maha-bhagavata. Even Krishna cannot understand the quality of Radharani's devotion. Although Krishna says vedaham samatitani -- 'I know everything' -- He fails to understand Radharani. Radharani is so great."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, September 18, 1969)

"I am very much indebted to my father, for he took care of me in such a way that I became perfectly Krishna conscious. My father used to receive many saintly persons at our home, and to every one of them he used to say, 'Kindly bless my son so that he may become a servant of Radharani.' That was his only ambition."

(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, October, 1973)

"I emphatically say to you, O brothers, you will obtain your good fortune from the Supreme Lord Krishna only when Srimati Radharani becomes pleased with you."

(Prayer to the Lotus Feet of Krishna, September 13, 1965)

"Of all the young girls, Radha is the most beautiful. She always dresses so nicely that Damodara is attracted by Her beauty. If you go to Vrindavan you will find everyone worshiping Radharani. All the devotees in Vrindavan worship Radharani. The pure devotees pray to Radharani, 'O my worshipable Radharani! You are so full of mercy. I am begging for Your mercy.'"

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, September 18, 1969)

"Yes, the bumblebee is very much favored by Krishna and Radharani. Sometimes the bumblebee is taken as a messenger by Radharani and she rebukes the bumblebee because the bumblebee is blackish and Krishna is also blackish. Still, in spite of all rebuking, the bumblebee tried always to touch the Lotus Feet of Radharani. Therefore the bumblebee is to be offered our all reverence and respect."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 15, 1971)

"Radharani is hari-priya, 'very dear to Krishna.' Through the mercy of Radharani we can easily approach Krishna. If Radharani recommends, 'This devotee is very nice,' then Krishna immediately accepts me, however great a fool I may be. Because I am recommended by Radharani, Krishna accepts me. Therefore in Vrndavana you'll find all the devotees chanting Radharani's name more than Krishna's. Wherever you'll go, you'll find the devotees greeting one another, 'Jaya Radhe!' You'll find this still in Vrndavana. The devotees are glorifying Radharani. If you go by the speculative process to understand Krishna, it will take many, many lives. But if you take to devotional service and just try to please Radharani, Krishna will be gotten very easily."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, September 18, 1969)

"Radha is one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts."

(Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 4.82)

"Srimati Radharani is the center of all Vrindavana's activities. In Vrindavana, Krishna is the instrument of Srimati Radharani; therefore all the inhabitants of Vrindavana still chant 'Jaya Radhe!' From Krishna's own statement given herein, it appears that Radharani is the Queen of Vrindavana and that Krishna is simply Her decoration."

(Caitanya-caritamrita Madhya 13.150, Purport)

"Radharani is presented, the original pleasure potency, always absorbed in thought of Krishna. So anyone who comes before Radharani to serve Krishna, oh, She becomes so pleased, 'Oh, here is a devotee of Krishna.' She immediately recommends, 'Krishna, oh, here is a devotee. He is better than Me.' This is Radharani. I may be a, not devotee. I may be most fallen rascal. But if I try to reach Krishna through Radharani, then my business is successful. Therefore we should worship Radharani first. That is our business. Instead of offering directly one flower to Krishna, you just put it in the hands of Radharani: 'My mother Radharani, Jagan-mata, if you kindly take this flower and offer it to Krishna.' 'Oh,' Radharani says, 'Oh, you have brought a flower?' Krishna said, patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayaccati (Bg. 9.26), but don't try to offer Krishna directly. Just offer through Radharani. It will be very much appreciated by Radharani."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, September 5, 1973)

"Krishna attracts everyone, but devotional service attracts even Krishna. The symbol of devotional service in the highest degree is Radharani. Krishna is called Madana-mohana, which means that He is so attractive that He can defeat the attraction of thousands of Cupids. But Radharani is still more attractive, for She can even attract Krishna. Therefore devotees call Her Madana-mohana-mohani -- the attractor of the attractor of Cupid."

(Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 1)

"The word Hare is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord, and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of directly addressing the Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean 'the highest pleasure.' Hara is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, addressed as Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord."

(On Chanting Hare Krishna)

"O Radha! O beloved of Madhava! O you are worshiped by all the young girls of Gokula! All glories unto You! All glories unto You!"

(Sri Radhika-stava chorus by Srila Rupa Gosvami)

"Among the gopis, Srimati Radhika is the foremost. She surpasses all in beauty, good qualities, in good fortune, and, above all, in love."

(Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 4.214)

"Without energy, there is no meaning to the energetic, and without the energetic there is no meaning to the energy. Similarly, without Radha there is no meaning to Krishna and without Krishna there is no meaning to Radha. Because of this, the Vaisnava philosophy first of all pays obeisances to and worships the internal pleasure potency of the Supreme Lord. Thus the Lord and His potency are always referred to as Radha-Krishna. Similarly those who worship Narayana first utter the name of Laksmi, as Laksmi-Narayana. Similarly those who worship Lord Rama first utter the name of Sita. In any case -- Sita-Rama, Radha-Krishna, Laksmi-Narayana-- the potency always comes first."

(Caitanya-caritamrta, Introduction)

"The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counter-part of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord."

(Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 4.83)

"It is very simple. Hare means, 'O energy of the Lord,' and Krishna means, 'O Lord Krishna.' Just as there are males and females in the material world, similarly, God is the original male (purusa), and His energy (prakriti) is the original female. So, when we chant Hare Krishna, we are saying, 'O Lord Krishna, O energy of Krishna, kindly engage me in Your service.'"

(Science of Self-Realization, Chapter 1)

"Spiritual happiness is anandambudhi-vardhanam, or the ocean of happiness which increases. The material ocean is stagnant, but the spiritual ocean is dynamic. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, (Adi-lila, Fourth Chapter) Kaviraja Gosvami has very nicely described this dynamic increment of the ocean of spiritual happiness in the transcendental person of Srimati Radharani, the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.6.36, Purport)

"Lord Krishna enchants the world, but Sri Radha enchants even Him. Therefore She is the supreme goddess of all.

"Sri Radha is the full power, and Lord Krishna is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures.

"They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are inseparable, or as fire and its heat are nondifferent.

"Thus Radha and Lord Krishna are one, yet They have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes."

(Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.95-98)

"Srila Bilvamangala Thakur has prayed in his book as follows: 'Let Srimati Radharani purify the whole world, because She has surrendered Herself completely unto Krishna.'"

(Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 29)

"Sri Krishna continued: 'All the inhabitants of Vrindavana-dhama -- My mother, father, cowherd boy friends and everything else -- are like My life and soul. And among all the inhabitants of Vrindavana, the gopis are My very life and soul. Among the gopis, You, Srimati Radharani, are the chief. Therefore You are the very life of My life.'"

(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 13.150)

"In Radharani is found the science of ujjala, or the brightest jewel of love of God."

(Krishna Book, Chapter 47)

"Krishna is the energetic, and Radharani is the energy. Just like energy and energetic, you cannot separate. Fire and the heat you cannot separate. Wherever there is fire there is heat, and wherever there is heat there is fire. Similarly, wherever there is Krishna there is Radha. And wherever there is Radha there is Krishna. They are inseparable."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, August 30, 1968)

"Among all the gopis, Srimati Radharani is the most exalted. She is the most beautiful, the most qualified and, above all, the greatest lover of Krishna."

(Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 4.214, Purport)

"Radharani is the best, topmost servitor of Krishna, and the printing machine is the biggest medium at the present moment for serving Krishna. Therefore it is really a representative of Srimati Radharani."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, August 13, 1969)

"Srimati Radharani is the most beautiful, and She always enchants Krishna, but at the same time, Krishna is always the Enchanter of Radharani. This reciprocal attraction of Radharani and Krishna is the basic principal of Lord Caitanya's philosophy."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, May 22, 1969)

"Radha-Krishna. Radha's name is first. Why? Nobody can be better devotee than Radharani. As soon as Radha's name is there, Krishna is more pleased. That is the way. If we glorify the devotees, the character of the devotees, before the Lord, He's more pleased than to glorify Himself, He directly."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, March 24, 1969)

"Lord Krishna's Pleasure Potency is called Hladini, so this spiritual energy of Krishna's pleasure potency, Hladini, is Srimati Radharani Who is always increasing the transcendental pleasure of Krishna by Her super-excellent loving devotional service."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, March 29, 1970)

"Yes, you are certainly right when you say Radharani cooks prasadam for Lord Krishna. Whenever He returns in the evening from herding cows with His cowherd boy friends, Radharani has a nice preparation waiting for Lord Krishna."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, August 5, 1970)

"Krishna likes Radharani. Therefore all the gopis, they are trying to push Radharani to Krishna. 'Krishna likes this gopi. All right, push Her.' That is Krishna consciousness. To satisfy the senses of Krishna, not to satisfy my senses. That is bhakti. That is called prema, love for Krishna. 'Ah, Krishna likes this. I must give Him this.'"

(Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, Chapter 6)

"The beauty of Srimati Radharani's eyes forcibly devours the beauty of newly grown blue lotus flowers, and the beauty of Her face surpasses that of an entire forest of fully blossomed lotuses. Her bodily luster seems to place even gold into a painful situation. Thus the wonderful, unprecedented beauty of Srimati Radharani is awakening in Vrindavana."

(Caitanya-caritamrita Antya 1.169)

"In Vrindavana all the pure devotees pray for the mercy of Srimati Radharani, the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna. Srimati Radharani is a tenderhearted feminine counterpart of the supreme whole, resembling the perfectional stage of the worldly feminine nature. Therefore, the mercy of Radharani is available very readily to the sincere devotees, and once She recommends such a devotee to Lord Krishna, the Lord at once accepts the devotee's admittance into His association. The conclusion is, therefore, that one should be more serious about seeking the mercy of the devotee than that of the Lord directly, and by one's doing so (by the good will of the devotee) the natural attraction for the service of the Lord will be revived."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.3.23, Purport)

"You'll find in Vrindavan, if you go to Vrindavan, everyone is worshiping Radharani. Rani means queen. They are always speaking, 'Jaya Radhe!' Radharani. All the devotees in Vrindavan, they are worshiper of Radharani. Hari-niskuta-vrnda-vipinese. Vrsabhanu-dadhi-nava-sasi-lekhe. And She appeared as the daughter of King Vrsabhanu, and Her companion, Lalita-sakhi and Visakha-sakhi, and the devotees... So on behalf of the pure devotees of Krishna, Rupa Gosvami is praying, karunam kuru mayi karuna-bharite. 'Oh, my worshipable Radharani, You are full of mercy. So I am begging of Your mercy because You are so merciful, very easily You offer, bestow Your mercy. So I am begging Your mercy.'"

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, August 30, 1968)

"There is a supreme symptom of ecstatic love which is called maha-bhava. This mahabhava expression was possible only in Radharani, but later on when Sri Krishna Caitanya appeared to feel the mode of love of Radharani, He also expressed all the symptoms of maha-bhava. Sri Rupa Gosvami says in this connection that when the symptoms of ecstatic love become the most bright, that stage is accepted as mahabhava."

(Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 28)

"The beauty of Srimati Radharani is described as follows: 'Her eyes defeat the attractive features of the eyes of the cakori bird. When one sees the face of Radharani, he immediately hates the beauty of the moon. Her bodily complexion defeats the beauty of gold. Thus, let us all look upon the transcendental beauty of Srimati Radharani.'"

(Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 44)

"The photos are very nice, and Radharani looks very satisfied, as I see in the features of Her face in the photo. If She is pleased, then Krishna is pleased, and all living entities are pleased."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, November 11, 1973)

"There is no comparison to Radharani's beauty and the luster of Her transcendental body. The so-called beauty of the moon has fallen on the ground in the presence of Radharani's beauty."

(From Vrindavana by Srila Narottama das Thakura)

"Therefore Radha is parama-devata, the supreme goddess, and She is worshipable for everyone. She is the protectress of all, and She is the mother of the entire universe."

(Caitanya-caritamrita Adi 4.89)

"So this is our philosophy, to please Krishna through Radharani, and just today is the auspicious day of Radharani appearance. So we should offer puspanjali and pray to Radharani that 'Radharani, kindly be merciful and tell about me to Your Krishna. To Your Krishna. Krishna is Yours.' Krishna, Radha-Krishna. Krishna is not independent. Krishna is Radharani's property. So you have to approach Krishna through Radharani. That is, today is the auspicious day. Worship Radharani very nicely and be happy."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, September 5, 1973)

Sunday, August 27, 2017

Prabhupada Poisoning Explanation (Russian Subtitles)

27th Aug Sri lalita sashthi (appearance day)



http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/09/appearance-of-lalita-sakhi-lalita-shasti.html

27th aug is Sri lalita sashthi appearance day of Srimati Lalita devi
She is the foremost among the eight most confidential associates of Srimati Radhika. Her her father is Visoka, her mother is Saradi and her husband is Bhairava. She has the complexion of garocana, a type of yellow pigment. She wears cloth that is sikhi-piccha, like peacock feathers. Her kunja (grove) is colored like lightning and is studded with rubies. It is called Lalitananda and is to the north of Radha Kunda.
Lalita devi’s favourite instrument is the vina, and her favourite tune is raga Bhairava-kalingada. She specialises in serving tambula, betel nut to the Divine Couple. She can be seen offering a chamara whisk to Sri Sri Radha Madhava on the altar in Mayapur. She is twenty-seven days older than Srimati Radharani, her age being eternally fourteen years, eight months and twenty-seven days old.
Her mood is khandita, like that of a jealous heroine who chastises her beloved. This mood is never manifested in relation to herself, however, but only when there is a delay in the meeting of Sri Radha and Madhava. She is well known for her hot and contrary nature, and her protective mood over her Prana-sakhi – Srimati Radhika.

Lalita devi is brilliant in composing and understanding riddles, and whenever engaged in a transcendental quarrel, Lalita devi is the one who opposes Krsna. She frequently becomes furious with Him and speaks outrageously insolent retorts. She affectionately teaches Srimati Radharani the ways of jealous anger, considering Her too docile for Her own good.

Lalita devi is the leader of the asta-sakhis, radhe tava priya-sakhim ca gurum sakhinam, “Oh Radhe! Your dear companion Lalita is the guru of all the gopis”. Rupa-manjarai is her maidservant and chief assistant. Like her father, she is extremely magnanimous. She instigates the pastimes of the Divine Couple. As clever and mischievous as Krsna may be in His approach to Srimati Radharani, Lalita is more clever and obliges.

Friday, August 25, 2017

Mormons Stumped By Russian Legal System

Dozens Dead: Convicted Guru's Followers Riot

Rocana Re-Writes History (Update)

Challenging the Zonal Acarya System, Part Two

BY: SUN EDITORS

Aug 24, 2017 — CANADA (SUN) —

Before we continue in presenting part two of this paper, we would like to offer a few comments. First, this manuscript is formatted in many sections with very long passages, which can be quite difficult to read on a computer screen. We have taken the liberty of breaking the text down into more readable paragraphs, but we have added a notation – [..>] – to mark the places where para breaks were added.

Many readers have no doubt wondered, as we did, why this very important historical paper is not readily available online. For more than twenty years now, the devotees have been publishing anything and everything found in the archives about ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada. Yet strangely enough, this document does not seem to be among them.

ISKCON GBCs and Gurus would never publish the paper, for obvious reasons. They have tried for many years to purge the memory of the Zonal Acarya era from ISKCON's history books. But why have the Ritviks/Prabhupadanugas not published and broadcast this paper? Nearly every piece of evidence documenting the GBC's failings has been posted and quoted threadbare by the Ritviks. But not this one… And in a few segments to come, the likely reason for this will be seen.

This very important 1979 paper, which a few now prominent Ritvik-vadis undoubtedly helped to write, serves to seriously undermine the entire Ritvik position. It describes in clear detail just what the understanding was, immediately before and after Srila Prabhupada accepted maha-samadhi, about his intentions for diksa initiations in ISKCON. And most importantly, it establishes the fact that the July 9th Letter was never understood to be referring to post-samadhi diksa initiations. Just the opposite.


[PADA: Rocana is trying to re-write history here. 

Some of the "important papers" written in 1979 were co-penned by Kailash Chandra dasa, and he thought that some (or many?) of the disciples of Srila Prabhupada could accept the post of diksha gurus -- and become another sin-absorbing de facto successor to Jesus -- if they were Madhyama bhaktas. Kailash at the time was not far afield from what the GBC's gurus were saying, that less than uttama can become diksha gurus.

And Kailash assumed some of the disciples might be close to -- or already be Madhyamas. At least he assumed -- they could become so soon. If we look at the writings of folks like Kailash Chandra das over time, he refers often to his "Madhyam diksha guru" theme and idea. 

Fine except, Srila Prabhupada never said Madhyama devotees could absorb sins like Jesus? Nor did he ever say any of his disciples are Madhyamas, or they would attain that soon? Nor did any of the 11 so-called appointed gurus act like Madhyamas? Nor has Rocana / Kailash or anyone else of this group identified who is their alleged Madhyama guru, if indeed there is one somewhere?  

Or perhaps Kailash thought many devotees or even himself could become Madhyama soon, apparently a position he still holds today. Kailash was never "a ritvik vada." He thought that one, or some, or maybe even many disciples would or could become diksha gurus. These alleged Madhyama gurus could thus absorb sins like another sort of Jesus. Rocana got a letter from Bhakta das saying the same thing essentially, many of the disciples of Srila Prabhupada should be stepping forward to be diksha gurus, ... and they should thus claim to be able to absorb sins like Jesus. Except Srila Prabhupada never said anything like this? 

Simultaneously they say the worship of Srila Prabhupada is like the Christians, so they were not in favor of establishing Srila Prabhupada as the factual acharya then, and they are not now. Other people who wrote a few things in those days were folks like Dheera Krishna swami, Pancadravida swami and others, and they sympathized with Sridhara Maharaja, who was saying the 11 are acharyas. And they remained with Sridhara up to today.

Sorry Rocana! In 1979 we did not have: the appointment tape; we did not have the letters; we did not have the 1977 conversations; we did not have the will; and anyone who had inside info on a few of these things (like Yasodanananda) were booted out of the society. We did not have these documents, so we were not really able to make as convincing of counter points.

Meanwhile Kailash / Rocana and their dedicated groupies like Ajit Krishna / Kim Moller / Torben etc. never tells us, who will be the guru of ISKCON? They tell us, we are not supposed to worship Srila Prabhupada now, that is the ritvik deviation, we should worship instead their current living acharya who is -- no one? 

At the same time Rocana says we can offer bhogha to (the GBC's gurus?) people by placing their photos on the altars just for the arotike, but he never tells us which or whom these people are? We should offer bhogha to the photo of a person, what person? And did we forget that generally the photo of a GBC guru is for only his appointed zone, that would make Rocana still promoting zonal gurus? 

Its better to worship no one than to worship the acharya? 

Yep, same problem we are having with Hanuman dasa (Croatia), he says we are bogus for our promoting worshiping Prabhupada, we need to worship his living messiah person, who is again a nameless and evidently -- non-existing -- person. So this is clearly mayavada, worship of nothing is mayavada, and that is what they worship. Rocana, we did not have these documents in 1979, your wonderful living gurus hid them! And when Sulochana published some of them in 1985, he was murdered in 1986, remember? 

Anyway I like your current position Rocana, all glories to -- nobody! That is never going to fly, which is why you have no actual movement to display, there is no movement that worships no one. Its dead in the water from the get go. Rocana also handily forgets we did not get the poison tapes until 1997 either, he keeps forgetting that these documents were being hidden and suppressed, and even suppressed with violence and murders, we did not have them in 1979, and we had to fight tooth and nail to get them later.
  
ys pd]
   

New Prabhupada Temple in Bali

Monday, August 21, 2017

Gayatri Mantra (Deva Premal Video)




OM BHUR BHUVAH SWAH TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM BHARGO DEVASYA DHIMAHI DHIYO YO NAH PRACHODAYAT

Saturday, August 19, 2017

Brooklyn Temple Sale Problems (Update)

Today's report on the attempt to sell Srila Prabhupada’s Sri Sri Radha Govinda temple in Brooklyn, NY without ISKCON's approval.

From Madhumangala prabhu,

"Misinformation or blatant Dishonesty?"

"There has been a rash of misinformation presented to the devotee community as well as to the GBC regarding the sale of Radha Govinda Mandir. It is important to note that a lot of this deception has come not just from Ramabhadra das but from Romapada swami as well. Shouldn't ISKCON leaders be held to the highest standards of Honesty?

FACTS

1) Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn Temple was contracted for sale on August 15, 2014 without the knowledge of the GBC.

2) Then on April 16, 2015 the original contract for sale was revised (quite possibly for more money) with the approval of both the buyer and the sellers, Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra prabhu.

3) Shortly thereafter it was brought to the attention of Jayadvaita Maharaj that ISKCON's Brooklyn temple was being sold and a contract to sell was in place.

4) This was later confirmed because the real estate multiple listing service showed that Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn Temple was no longer available to be purchased by any other potential buyer.

5) Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra das explained that listing Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Brooklyn temple in the for sale NY real estate multiple listing service was simply an exploratory venture to gauge the current value of the ISKCON Temple property.

5a) This, however, was not the truth. The listing disappeared because a contract to sell had been signed.

6) Upon the ISKCON GBC becoming aware of a contract to sell off Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn temple, both Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra das then stated there would be multi-million dollar penalties if they didn't honor the contract.

7) Upon investigation this was deemed to be another deception. There are no legal penalties in the contract. Various Penalties could have been written into the contract sale language. But upon an examination of the sale contract no such wording was found to be present.

8) New York Real estate laws concerning churches and other religious buildings are slightly different than non-religious real estate law. This means that the same rules don't always apply.

9) The Brooklyn ISKCON Temple was under a contract for sale without the ISKCON GBC approval.

10) Ramabhadra das and Romapada swami tried to conceal the above facts with great vigor. Yet somehow Sri Sri Radha Govinda found a way to expose the deceptive and defiant behavior of both Romapada swami and Ramabadra das.

11) The ISKCON GBC's have voted 3 times over the past couple of years and have denied permission to sell the Brooklyn ISKCON temple each time.

11a) In March of 2017, there was a closed door meeting of the "Bharati Center" board of directors (Romapada swami, Ramabadra das, Satya dasi, etc) . They held their own vote and once again decided to sell Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Brooklyn Temple against the wishes of the ISKCON GBC.

11b) At the time of this "Bharati center" vote Romapada Swami was the chairman of the "Bharati Center" board. This is a point of major importance, because the "Bharati Center" by-laws state that if there is even one vote 'not to sell', the sale CANNOT go through.

11c) There is factual proof that Romapada Maharaj voted to continue with the sale.

11d) Yet later Romapada swami claimed to the ISKCON GBCs that he didn't have all of the needed information to vote against the sale, even he could have used ISKCON's in house attorney to better understand the situation. (Romapada Swami always seems to have an excuse for every situation in which he is caught being untruthful.)

12) Even more bewildering is the fact that after all this, Romapada Swami wrote a letter to the NY State Attorney Generals office stating that he was against the sale.

QUESTIONS :
1) Why would Romapada swami have voted as a 'Bharati center' board member to proceed with the sale and then later claim to the State of New York to be against the sale?

2) The next question naturally is, how are so many congregational devotees being banned from entering the Temple due to the claim that they are opposed to the Brooklyn ISKCON Temple sale, yet Romapada swami is allowed to reside in the Brooklyn ISKCON Temple?

None of this appears to make any sense.

As I noted in a previous post, I asked Ramabhadra on the evening of Janmastami why I was being refused entry to the temple?
I also posed this question to his security team. (I must say that if they are to be a line of defense I wouldn't want them defending me.)

What was most noteworthy was that no one, especially Ramabhadra das, could give me any answer as to why I or any other congregational devotee had been refused entry. It seems that they must have been coached on how to respond by Ramabhadra's lawyer, Which is to give no response to any questions by any congregational devotees.

The letter of the law states that the "Bharati center" and Ramabhadra das do have the POWER to ban congregation devotees because Ramabhadra das is the Temple president of the "Bharati center".

Yet when reviewed by the State Of New York, this same action by a church leader is viewed as an Abuse of Power!!!!!"

Your servant,
Madhumangala das

Please pray to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha and Govinda to save our Brooklyn temple from those who are temporarily under the influence of Kali-yuga.


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Here is more news from Brooklyn NY. Madhumangala prabhu is sharing information as soon as it is available.
From Madhumangala prabhu...

"Insanity and deception are on display at Radha Govinda Mandir in Brooklyn NY's Iskcon Temple.

As can be seen in the first photo there are 2 people standing guard, one is a male devotee and the other is a woman. You can also clearly see how the sign (present for the past 30 years) declaring this to be an ISKCON temple has been removed.

I, for one, am wondering why and how this could possibly have taken place given the fact that Romapada Swami is residing there in Srila Prabhupada’s Radha Govinda temple.

Secondly, why is it that Romapada Swami has been leaving the temple to preach, and inevitably to collect money, while the average devotee isn't allowed to enter the temple to worship and serve?

If Romapada Swami were actually representing and working on behalf of the best interests of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, how could he possibly fail to object to all of This?

It should also be noted that on the evening that Ramabhadra das took the temple and Sri Sri Radha Govinda hostage, Romapada Swami was supposed to assist in the removal of Ramabhadra das as Temple President as per the GBC body's decision.

On this Sunday night, July 23, Romapada Swami was not only the ISKCON GBC of the Brooklyn Temple, he was also still the Chairman of the Bharat Hill Corp. This means he was in fact the Topmost authority and thus had all power to see that Ramabhadra das complied with the GBC decision to remove him as president.

However, what ensued was an extremely weak and dishonest display by Romapada Swami. After announcing that the GBC Chairman HH Bhakti Caru Swami wished to address the congregation, Romapada Swami slithered into the shadows, away from the situation and didn't exert the authority which he possessed.

This clearly indicated that he, Romapada Swami, wasn't honest in telling the GBC that he would work with them to prevent the sale of the Temple and the removal of Ramabhadra prabhu.

It should also be noted that somehow or another Ramabhadra das and his wife Satya dasi were made aware of the fact that something was going to take place on that very day, Sunday the 23 of July.

Romapada Swami's disciples were phoning others to let them know about this. How else could they have possibly obtained such information? Could it possibly have come from their Guru, Romapada Swami or his representative?

Also an amazing coincidence, was the changing of every lock in the Temple on the 23 of July, just prior to the normal Sunday Program.

Try to guess who made it known to the gbc devotees that were coming to remove Ramabhadra that the locks were being changed, yet HE (Romapada swami) did absolutely nothing to prevent This?

Even if you and I are not geniuses, I'm sure that the one and only answer that you and I could possibly come to is, that the NY gbc and Bharat Hill chairman Romapada Swami, was the culprit.

So many remarkable coincidences conspired to prevent Ramabhadra das's removal and more importantly to prevent the sale of the Temple for the astronomical sum of $60,000,000. When the CIA investigates a breach of security, they have one overriding cardinal rule, there is no such thing as a coincidence.

As has been made public by the GBC, Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra das both voted in November of this past year to push forward with Temple sale, even though the GBC voted against this 3 separate times in a row.

It now seems as if Romapada Swami has had a change of heart about preventing the sale of Srila Prabhupada's Brooklyn ISKCON temple. This is clearly evidenced by all of his subsequent actions.

This is an absolutely disgusting situation given that it is Jhulan Yatra (Sri Sri Radha and Govinda's swing festival), as well as the upcoming appearance of Lord Balaram and Sri Krishna Janmastami.

Never has such an outrageous series of events ever taken place in Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON society. When, if ever, have the congregation of devotees ever been told they would be charged with trespassing if they didn't immediately leave the temple room in the middle of an advertised Sunday feast?

The congregation of devotees were subsequently banned from entering Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn ISKCON temple, and that continues from Sunday, July 23, until now.

These acts are in no way pleasing to Srila Prabhupada, nor to Sri Sri Radha Govinda. The entire world is watching as this mess becomes worse and worse every day. A change of management has been needed in NY for longer than 20 yrs. And now the former president, Ramabadra das, has created a Hostage Crisis where by Sri Sri Radha and Govinda are being held captive by renegade former ISKCON members.

Not only should Ramabhadra das be forced to comply with the decision to remove him as Temple President, Romapada Swami should also be stripped of all position in ISKCON, especially those of initiating Guru and GBC member.

How could the current behavior of these two men warrant anything less?

This is Srila Prabhupada’s Sri Sri Radha Govinda ISKCON temple.

The Sri Sri Radha Govinda temple of Brooklyn, NY does not belong to a couple of immature disciples who have been caught in a compromising and probably illegal situation.

Enough is Enough."





Swarupa Hebel's Son Cancer Fundme

https://www.gofundme.com/help-our-son-madhava-battle-cancer

[PADA: Swarupa Hebel is another person who thinks PADA is "offensive" "a mad man" is "too radical" etc. Yep, but when we said the GBC's gurus and / or their lackeys get all their medical treatment expenses paid, if not fancy apartments in India and so on, while the peons / second class citizens / slaves get basically none, or hardly none, guess what? We were right. 

Its an economic war on the humble Vaishnava citizens by a self-styled elite class, and has been all along. Thus! When these elites have a medical problem, they seem to get the best doctors in the best hospitals, but the peons, ok not so much. Told ya! 

Anyway if you feel moved to help here, that's nice. 

Of course another question we get from time to time, why are so many apparent Vaishnavas getting so many lethal ailments, even sometimes very young ones? Is this because the Vaishnava society itself has caught an ailment, of minimizing the acharyas, and its affecting many folks? Good question. ys pd] 

Friday, August 18, 2017

Bhakti Caru Swami: Dealing with protest of GBC gurus





PADA: Bhakti Caru swami starts out by saying his GBC acharyas "made many mistakes." So that means BCS thinks the guru parampara, the acharyas from Krishna, the pure representatives of the super soul etc. are full of the four mundane defects, and thus they make many mistakes, or worse -- they openly deviate. Srila Prabhupada says its the "mad elephant offense" to say that acharyas are conditioned souls -- and are persons who -- make mistakes, are in lllusion, are cheaters, are subject to defective senses and so forth. 

The GBC itself wrote a paper saying we can reject their GBC guru when he is found "hopelessly entangled in sense gratification." Why does BCS program say that acharyas are often fallen and, hopelessly so? Acharyas become not only fallen, but even "hopelessly fallen" into sense gratification?

Then BCS says we dissenters "left" ISKCON. No, we were forcefully banned, shunned and removed from ISKCON, for protesting their illicit sex guru program promoted by the GBC. Then he says, the mistakes, for example of saying acharyas are often deviants, have been corrected. Nope! 

Bhakti Caru swami is recently spending a lot of time hanging out with Jayadvaita swami, the person who says their GBC gurus fall -- and even fall to the point of being "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." Why does BCS associate with these folks, who claim that Krishna's guru successors are often fallen and even sexual predators and deviants? 

Then BCS says, the people on the internet who say Krishna's guru successors are not deviants -- should be ignored, so we should just go forward saying that Krishna's guru successors are often sexual predators, drunkards, machine gun swamis, porno swamis, criminals and so forth? We should ignore the people who say Krishna and His parampara are pure, and we should associate with people who says gurus are often debauchees?

Then BCS says that the ISKCON temples are full of people, well yes, they made it bascially a Hindu cultural center after they removed the Western people. Again Srila Prabhupada said he did not want his movement to become a Hindu off shoot. Worse, by neglecting those of us who protested their gurukula imbroglio, they had to be sued for $400,000,000 for mis-managing their schools. So they did a great job by ignoring the protest of their mis-managing? 

And now, the GBC is saying Romapada is a crook, at the same time, he is the sin-absorbing messiah of the jagat, a diksha guru no less. And this means, things have been corrected? ys pd  
    

Thursday, August 17, 2017

Annada Ekadasti (Aug 17th)


Annada Ekadasi (fast from grains and beans), 

Thursday, August 17, 2017 in Los Angeles, California
Yuddhisthira Maharaja said, “Oh JanArdana, protector of allliving entities, please tell me the name of the Ekadasii that occursduring the dark fortnight of the month of Bhadrapada (August-September).”
The Supreme Lord, Shri Krishna, then replied, “Oh King, hear me attentively. The name of this sin-removing, sacred Ekadasii is Aja. Any person who fasts completely on this day and worships Hrishikesha, the master of the senses, becomes free of all reactions to his sins. Even one who simply hears about this Ekadasi is freed from his past sins. 

Oh King, there is no better day than this in all the earthly and heavenly worlds. This is true without a doubt.

“There once lived a famous king named Harishchandra, who was the emperor of the world and a person of great truth and integrity. His wife’s name was Chandramati, and he had a son named Lohit Ashva. By the force of destiny, however, Harishchandra lost his great kingdom and sold his wife and son. The pious king himself became a menial servant of a dog-eater, who made him guard a crematorium. 

Yet even while doing such menial service, he did not forsake his truthfulness and good character, just as soma-rasa,even when mixed with some other liquid, does not lose its ability to bestow immortality.

“The king passed many years in this condition. Then one day he sadly thought, ‘What shall I do? Where shall I go? How can I be delivered from this plight?’ In this way he drowned in an ocean of anxiety and sorrow. 

“One day a great sage happened by, and when the king saw him he happily thought, ‘Ah, Lord Brahma has created brahmins just to help others.’ 

Harishchandra paid his respectful obeisances to the sage, whose name was Gautama Muni. With joined palms the king stood before Gautama Muni and narrated his pitiful story. Gautama Muni was astonished to hear the king’s tale of woe. He thought, ‘How has this mighty king been reduced to collecting clothes from the dead?’ 

Gautama Muni became very much compassionate toward Harishchandra and instructed him on the process of fasting for purification.

“Gautama Muni said, ‘Oh king, during the dark fortnight of the month of Bhadrapada there occurs an especially meritorious Ekadasii named AjA (Annada),which removes all sins. Indeed, this Ekadasii is so auspicious that if you simply fast on that day and perform no other austerity,all your sins will be nullified. By your good fortune it is coming in just seven days. 

So I urge you to fast on this day and remain awake through the night. If you do so, all the reactions of your past sins will come to an end. Oh Harishchandra, I have come here because of your past pious deeds. Now, all good fortune to you in the future!’ So saying, the great sage Sri Gautama Muni immediately disappeared for their vision.
“King Harishchandra followed Gautama Muni’s instructions concerning fasting on the sacred day of AjA Ekadasii. Oh Maharaja Yudhisthira, because the king fasted on that day, the reactions to his previous sins were completely destroyed at once. Oh lion among kings, just see the influence of this Ekadasi fast! 

It immediately vanquishes whatever miseries one maybe suffering as a result of past karmik sinful activities. 

Thus all Harishchandra’s miseries were relieved. Just by the power of this wonderful Ekadasii, he was reunited with his wife and son, who had died but were now revived. In the heavenly regions the devas (demigods) began beating on their celestial kettledrums and showering down flowers upon Harishchandra, his queen, and their son. 

By the blessings of the Ekadasii fast, he regained his kingdom without difficulty. Moreover, when King Harishchandra left the planet, his relatives and all his subjects too, went with him to the spiritual world.

“Oh Pandava, whoever fasts on Aja Ekadasii is surely freed from all his sins and ascends to the spiritual world. And whosoever hears and studies the glories of this Ekadasii achieves the merit gained by performing a horse sacrifice.”

3.4 Million Pilgrims Visit Krishna's Janmabhumi / Janmasthami

Brooklyn Temple's New Security Arrangement

[PADA: A disciple of Bhakti Caru Swami wrote to tell PADA that we are greatly offending a pure devotee by disagreeing with Bhakti Caru swami. At the same time, Bhakti Caru's GBC program is saying that Rompada swami is (A) the purest devotee on the planet, the sum total of the demigods, an acharya, and a diksha guru -- a person who can absorb sins like Jesus. And so they launched a tour for him to visit many ISKCON centers to initiate people -- while he is simultaneously (B) a temple stealing crook. 

Why is the Bhakti Caru Swami program saying that thieves are also acharyas and pure devotees? We will let you know when this person answers. Why do these guys never explain why they are promoting things like: machine gun swamis, Vodka drinking fools, illicit sex addicts, porno swamis, drug fools, crooks, thieves, deviants, sexual predators and so on -- as their acharyas? ys pd]

Sad news from Srila Prabhupada’s Sri Sri Radha Govinda Mandir in Brooklyn.

Many devotee congregation members were denied entry into the Janmastami celebration for Sri Sri Radha Govinda. Here is Madhumangala das's eyewitness account:

"Here are 2 photos of the non devotee security men at Sri Sri Radha Govinda Mandir in NY. On this holiest day, Sri Krishna Janmastami, Jayadavaita Maharaj, Hamsarupa prabhu (the gbc appointed Temple President) and Myself (Madhumangala das) were refused entry into Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn Temple, as were many others.

It should be noted that Jayadvaita Swami is a senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada, as is Hamsarupa prabhu. (Hamsarupa prabhu has been appointed by the ISKCON GBC to become the temporary president of Srila Prabhupada's Brooklyn temple.)

I would like to know how it is that 2nd and 3rd generation devotees within Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Brooklyn temple could possibly participate in causing such an enormous aparadha by not allowing these vaisnavas into Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON temple?

Ramabhadra das was present and giving his personal authorization as to who would be able to enter Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON temple. But Ramabhadra das would give no reason for having four men surround and intimidate me (Madhumangala das). I asked Ramabhadra das numerous times why I was being refused entry into a PUBLIC HOUSE OF WORSHIP, on the publicly advertised Janmastami festival night. Yet no one, including Ramabadra das, would provide any explanation to me.

Jayadvaita Maharaj was told he wasn't allowed to enter Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Brooklyn temple as per the instructions of Ramabhadra das and his lawyer. Ramabhadra das has given the order to deny any congregation member their right to enter Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn temple if he (Ramabadra das) believes that the congregation member in question opposes Ramabadra das's sale of Srila Prabhupada's temple, even on the holy day of Janmastami.

Maybe we should all ask Ramabhadra das, who is paying for a daily security detail of 3 men (and an additional separate personal body guard for Ramabhadra das)? Why is such heavy security needed now after 30 years of never having had any outside security service to screen congregation devotees desiring to enter a house of worship, Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn, NY temple?

How much is Ramabhadra das paying his attorney to try to keep Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON temple of Brooklyn out of the control of the rightful owners, Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON society? Ramabadra das claims that both he and his temple are broke, so where is this money coming from?

Is Ramabadra das working on the premise that all of these financial issues will be solved when he sells Srila Prabhupada’s Sri Sri Radha Govinda Mandir for the contract sale price of $60 million? How is it possible that Romapada Swami's long time disciple and servant, Gauranga Prema das, claimed to me that he supports Ramabhadra das's sale of Srila Prabhupada's temple?

This would seem to be in direct defiance of his Guru, Romapada Swami's agreement with the ISKCON GBC Body not to sell Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn Temple.

OR... Is it possible that Romapada swami never intended to honor his agreement with the ISKCON GBC Body to begin with? And is this why Romapada swami is currently living with Ramabhadra das inside Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON temple of Brooklyn, NY? Can Romapada Swami still be trusted represent the interests of Srila Prabhupada in any capacity?

Romapada swami appears to be allowing Ramabhadra das to occupy Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn ISKCON temple after the ISKCON GBC Body voted and then served notice to Ramabadra das, that he is no longer the temple president of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Brooklyn temple. Why has Romapada Swami agreed to the employment of a security team whose only job is to keep longstanding ISKCON devotees and congregation members from entering Srila Prabhupada’s Temple?

One of the several long standing issues that many congregational members have with both Ramabhadra das and Romapada swami has been their whimsical banning of longstanding congregation devotees. Is this part of some secret plan to pretend that all the congregational devotees who are banned and denied entry are not real congregation members of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON of Brooklyn temple?

And thus these congregational members individual complaints to the state of New York disagreeing with Ramabadra das' temple sale are not valid. I also wonder if Ramabhadra das is still collecting donations checks under the name of ISKCON even though they are operating in direct DEFIANCE of the ISKCON GBC body. Do you think it is about time that both Romapada swami and Ramabhadra das are forced to vacate Srila Prabhupada’s Brooklyn Temple?

Barring devotees from entering to see Sri Sri Radha Govinda on Janmastami is an OFFENSE OF EPIC PROPORTION!!!!!!!" We should all pray to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha Govinda to please make an arrangement to save our Brooklyn temple...

Your servant,
Madhumangala das

Wednesday, August 16, 2017

Origin Of the Jeeva (Update) Mahesh Raja

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-false-version-of-jaiva-dharma-being.html

Nitya-baddha means ‘We Do Not Know’

(by Mahesh Raja)

Nitya-baddha means we do not know when our, this conditional stage has begun. It is impossible to trace out the history. Sunanda Prabhu’s article is highly questionable. Obviously, Sunanda Prabhu is confused and it appears from his article he does not actually understand what is nitya baddha. Eternally conditioned means -- It is impossible to trace out the history.

Aside from this, BACK to Godhead means RETURNING back home from where we came from ORIGINALLY. The word MARGINAL means the soul has the INDEPENDENCE to CHOOSE if he wants to remain in Vaikuntha or to come to the material world. Otherwise there is no meaning to the word LOVE for Krsna. Love is NOT forced.

Other then the philosophy being explained in the context of SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND DIFFERENCE, one can NOT explain how the soul falls and does not fall reflecting the statements from Srila Prabhupada. I have explained this in my article, Apparent Contradiction and Reconciliation.

Please read below how Nitya-baddha has been explained:

Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam, March 28, 1968, San Francisco:

“Nitya-baddha. This word is also technical. Nitya-baddha means ever-conditioned. There are nitya-muktas. Nitya-mukta means ever-liberated. In the spiritual world, there are also innumerable living entities. The… This material world is only one-fourth manifestation of Krsna’s energy, God’s energy. And the three-fourths energy is manifested in the spiritual world. So we can just imagine that in one-fourth manifestation of energy of the Lord, we are so many living entities which is impossible to count. Now you can imagine how many more living entities are there. But here we are conditioned and they are liberated. Those who are conditioned, they are called nitya-baddha, ever-conditioned. Nitya-baddha means we do not know when our, this conditional stage has begun. It is impossible to trace out the history.”

Srila Prabhupada’s Purport on Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.26.5 – Fundamental Principles of Material Nature:

" It is stated in the previous verse that the material energy was accepted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in order that He might exhibit pastimes for the living entities who wanted to enjoy and lord it over the material energy. This world was created through the material energy of the Lord for the so-called enjoyment of such living entities. Why this material world was created for the sufferings of the conditioned souls is a very intricate question. 


" There is a hint in the previous verse in the word lilaya, which means “for the pastimes of the Lord.” The Lord wants to rectify the enjoying temperament of the conditioned souls. It is stated in Bhagavad-gita that no one is the enjoyer but the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This material energy is created, therefore, for anyone who pretends to enjoy. An example can be cited here that there is no necessity for the government’s creation of a separate police department, but because it is a fact that some of the citizens will not accept the state laws, a department to deal with criminals is necessary. 

" There is no necessity, but at the same time there is a necessity. Similarly, there was no necessity to create this material world for the sufferings of the conditioned souls, but at the same time there are certain living entities, known as nitya-baddha, who are eternally conditioned. We say that they have been conditioned from time immemorial because no one can trace out when the living entity, the part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, became rebellious against the supremacy of the Lord.”

Srila Prabhupada’s Purport on Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.11.12 – Jada Bharata Instructs King Rahugana:

“As stated in Bhagavad-gita (13.3), ksetrajnam capi mam viddhi sarva-ksetresu bharata. There are two kinds of ksetrajna, or living beings. One is the individual living being, and the other is the supreme living being. The ordinary living being knows about his body to some extent, but the Supreme, Paramatma, knows the condition of all bodies. The individual living being is localized, and the Supreme, Paramatma, is all-pervading. In this sloka the word ksetrajna refers to an ordinary living being, not the supreme living being. This ordinary living being is of two kinds–nitya-baddha or nitya-mukta. One is eternally conditioned and the other eternally liberated. 

" The eternally liberated living beings are in the Vaikuntha jagat, the spiritual world, and they never fall into the material world. Those in the material world are conditioned souls, nitya-baddha. The nitya-baddhas can become liberated by controlling the mind because the cause of conditioned life is the mind. When the mind is trained and the soul is not under the mind’s control, the soul can be liberated even in this material world. When it is liberated, one is called jivan-mukta. A jivan-mukta knows how he has become conditioned; therefore he tries to purify himself and return home, back to Godhead.”

Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, January 9, 1967, New York:

“Yesterday we have been discussing two kinds of living entities. One class, nitya-mukta, eternally liberated, they never come to this material world. They are eternally liberated. And another class, just like we are, conditioned. We are eternally conditioned. Eternally conditioned means we do not know when we have been conditioned like this. It is not possible to trace out the history. Because living entity, by nature, he is not conditioned. But actually we see that we are conditioned, and there is no possibility to trace out the history. Many, many Brahma’s life… Not only one Brahma’s, there are so many Brahmas changed, and we are conditioned. So therefore we are called eternally conditioned.”

Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Upendra, October 27, 1969:

“Regarding your question, in one sense both you and Mahapurusa are right. The fact is that after the dissolution of the Universe the living entities remain in slumber within Maha Visnu, and again when the creation takes place they are impregnated in their original position and they come out in different species of life. By gradual evolutionary process, when they come to the human form there is good chance of getting out of the repeated birth and death, and one can enter into the Spiritual Realm. 

" But if one loses this chance he is again put into the cycle of birth and death. The conditioned souls are always within the Maha Visnu Form, whereas the liberated souls in Vaikuntha, they are engaged in the service of the Lord. Constitutionally every living entity, even if he is in the Vaikuntha Loka, has chance of falling down. Therefore the living entity is called marginal energy. But when the falldown has taken place for the conditioned soul is very difficult to ascertain. Therefore two classes are designated: eternally liberated and eternally conditioned. But for arguments sake, a living entity being marginal energy, he can’t be eternally conditioned. 

" The Time is so unlimited that the conditioned souls appear to be eternally so, but from the philosophical view he cannot be eternally conditioned. Since we cannot trace out when we have become conditioned, there is no use of arguing on this point. Better to take care first how we can get rid of this conditional existence; as much as a patient should take care for treating his disease more, and less waste his time in finding out the cause of his disease.”

Srila Prabhupada’s Conversation, July 8, 1976:

Devotee (4): I can’t seem to get a grasp on this at all. If we in our original constitutional position as part and parcel of Krsna, and in that position, that original position of full knowledge and full bliss and being in our eternal nature… Now I have some experience of how strong this material energy is and how maya works somewhat, but if I had known this and had this full knowledge, then I would have had this knowledge of how maya works and how I might fall.

Prabhupada: You read the life of Jaya, Vijaya, Hiranyakasipu, Hiranyaksa? They were Krsna’s doorkeepers. How they fell down? Did you read it? Did you read the life of Hiranyakasipu or Hiranyaksa?

Devotee (4): Yes, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: So how they did fall? They are from Vaikuntha. They are Krsna’s personal associates, keeping the doorkeepers. How did they fell down? Anyway, there is chance of falling down at any moment.

Devotee (4): Well, in his family they wanted to enjoy the material world.

Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, the fall down is there. So because we are living entities, we are not as powerful as Krsna, therefore we may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment. Iccha-dvesa samutthena sarge yanti parantapa. Find out this verse.

Pusta Krsna:

icchā-dveṣa-samutthena

dvandva-mohena bhārata

sarva-bhūtāni sammohaṁ

sarge yānti parantapa

“O scion of Bharata [Arjuna], O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are born into delusion, overcome by the dualities of desire and hate.”

Prabhupada: Purport.

Pusta Krsna: “The real constitutional position of the living entity is that of subordination to the Supreme Lord, who is pure knowledge. When one is deluded into separation from this pure knowledge, he becomes controlled by illusory energy and cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The illusory energy is manifested in the duality of desire and hate. Due to desire and hate the ignorant person wants to become one with the Supreme Lord and envies Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

" Pure devotees, who are not so deluded or contaminated by desire and hate, can understand that Lord Sri Krsna appears by His internal potencies. But those who are deluded by duality and nescience think that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is created by material energies. This is their misfortune. Such deluded persons symptomatically dwell in dualities of dishonor and honor, misery and happiness, woman and man, good and bad, pleasure and pain, etc., thinking ‘This is my wife, this is my house; I am the master of this house, I am the husband of this wife.’ These are the dualities of delusion. Those who are so deluded by dualities are completely foolish and cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead.”

Prabhupada: So even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that “Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?” I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, sometimes he may think that “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that, they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking.

Vipina: Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?

Prabhupada: He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire, surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal, you do not do this.

Vipina: Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?

Prabhupada: That means you lose your independence.

Vipina: And no love.

Prabhupada: That is force. (indistinct) prema. In Bengali it is said “If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? (laughter) “You love me, otherwise I will kill you.” (laughter) Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver, “You love me, otherwise I shall kill you.” That is not love, that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not by force. That is rape. The… Why one is called lover, another is called rape?

Vipina: But isn’t it by force anyway? If we don’t love Krsna, we suffer.

Prabhupada: That is your business. You’ll suffer. But that Krsna does not force you. He says the real, “You love me, you’ll be happy. If you don’t love, you suffer.” But that is your business.

Vipina: So what is the choice?

Prabhupada: Choice is yours. If you are rascal, you don’t make the choice, the best choice. You suffer. The rascals, they suffer. And intelligent men, they do not suffer. If you are intelligent, then Krsna says that “You surrender to Me,” you surrender, then you are intelligent. If you are rascal, then you reject and you suffer. When a father says to his rascal son, “My dear son, you just hear me, do like this, you’ll be happy.” If he does not do it, he’ll suffer. There is no other alternative.

Guest (2): Srila Prabhupada, why is the material world made on the level of a jailhouse? It’s made on the level of a jailhouse, that, I’ve been told, the attitude of a jail instead of the attitude.

Prabhupada: Yes, because there will be so many criminals. Therefore government has to construct a jailhouse. It is government’s not desire. It is expensive, unnecessary. But because there are rascals who will become criminal, the government has jailhouse. So one who wants to remain independent of Krsna, for them there is material world, “All right, you remain here.”

Vipina: We also say that Krsna is fulfilling the desires of every living entity. So if we want to enjoy independent of Krsna, why doesn’t He let us really enjoy independent of Him?

Prabhupada: That is not possible. That is maya it is called. You are not enjoyer, you are servant. Because you are willing to become enjoyer, you suffer, that’s all. You are not enjoyer.

Vipina: Then He’s not fulfilling the desire.

Prabhupada: No, you wanted to enjoy–enjoy at your risk. Sometimes you’ll become the king of heaven, and sometimes you become the germs in the stool.

Vipina: Hm, enjoy at your risk. (laughter)

Prabhupada: Yes. No, that is the fact.

Vipina: Instead of under His protection, you enjoy at your risk.

Prabhupada: Therefore He advises, “Rascal, you give up all this enjoying spirit. You just surrender to Me, you’ll be happy.” But we don’t accept it. Therefore sometimes we are in the heavenly kingdom, sometimes as a worm in the stool. That is going on. That is your risk. What is that? bhuñjate te tv aghaṁ pāpāḥ?

yajñārthāt karmaṇo ’nyatra
loko ’yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ:
yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo
mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ
bhuñjate te tv agham pāpā
ya pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt

Pusta Krsna: Yjñārthāt karmaṇo ’nyatra?

Prabhupada: Hm.

Pusta Krsna:

yajñārthāt karmaṇo ’nyatra
loko ’yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ
tad-arthaṁ karma kaunteya
mukta-saṅgaḥ samācara

“Work done as a sacrifice for Visnu has to be performed, otherwise work binds one to this material world. Therefore, O son of Kunti, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain unattached and free from bondage.”

Prabhupada: Yajna-sistasinah santo mucyante sarva-kilbisaih. I think there you will find.

Pusta Krsna: Bhunkte stena eva sah? No? Oh, bhunjate te tv agham papah?

yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo
mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ
bhuñjate te tv agham pāpā
ya pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt

“The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.”