Monday, April 30, 2012

Mohini Ekadasi story (Wed, May 2, 2012)

Mohini Ekadasi Wednesday May 2, 2012 USA (The break fast times are between 6:01 a.m. and 7:25 a.m. in California)

The Following is Mohinii EkAdasii: from the KUrma PurANa

Sri Yudhisthira Maharaja said, “Oh JanArdana, what is the name of the EkAdasii that occurs during the light fortnight (sukla paksha) of the month of VaisAkha (April-May) ? What is the process for observing it properly? Kindly narrate all of these details to me.”

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krishna replied, “Oh blessed son of Dharma, what Vasishtha Muni once told to Lord Ramachandra I shall now describe to you. Please hear Me attentively.
"Lord Ramachandra asked Vasishtha Muni, ‘Oh great sage, I would like to hear about the best of all fasting days – that day which destroys all kinds of sins and sorrows. I have suffered long enough in separation from My dear SitA, and so I wish to hear from you about how My suffering can be ended.’

“The sage Vasishtha replied, ‘Oh Lord RAma, Oh You whose intelligence is so keen, simply by remembering Your name one can cross the ocean of the material world. You have questioned me in order to benefit all of humanity and fulfill everyone’s desires. I shall now describe that day of fasting which purifies the whole world.

“ ‘Oh Rama, that day is known as Vaisakha-sukla Ekadasii, which falls on Dvadasii. It removes all sins and is famous as Mohinii Ekadasii. NOTE.“ ‘Truly, Oh dear Rama, the merit of this EkAdasii frees the fortunate soul who observes it from the network of illusion. Therefore, if You want to relieve Your suffering(s), observe this auspicious EkAdasii perfectly, for it removes all obstacles from one’’ path and relieves the greatest miseries. Kindly listen as I describe its glories, because for one who even just hears about this auspicious EkAdasii, the greatest sins are nullified.

“ ‘On the banks of the Sarasvati River there was once a beautiful city named BhadrAvati, which was ruled by King DyutimAn. Oh RAma, that steadfast, truthful, and highly intelligent king was born in the dynasty of the Moon (Chandra-vamsa). In his kingdom was a merchant named DhanapAla, who possessed a great deal of wealth of food grains and money. He was also very pious. DhanapAla arranged for lakes to be dug, sacrificial arenas to be erected, and beautiful gardens to be cultivated for the benefit of all the citizens of BhadrAvati. He was an excellent devotee of Lord Vishnu and had five sons: SumAna, DyutimAn, MedhAvii, Sukriti, and Dhrishthabuddhi.

“ ‘Unfortunately, his son Dhrishthabuddhi always engaged in greatly sinful activities, such as sleeping with prostitutes and associating with similar degraded persons. He enjoyed illicit sex, gambling, and many other varieties of acts aimed at gratifying the senses. He disrespected the demigods (devas), the brahmins, the forefathers and other elders of the community, as well as his family’s guests. The evil-hearted Dhrishthabuddhi spent up his father’s wealth indiscriminately, always feasting on untouchable foods and drinking alcohol to excess.

“ ‘One day DhanapAla kicked Dhrishthabuddhi out of the house after he saw him walking along the road arm-in-arm with a known prostitute. From then on all Dhrishthabuddhi’s relatives were highly critical of him and distanced themselves from him also. After he had sold all of his inherited ornaments and become destitute, the prostitute also abandoned him and insulted him because of his poverty.

“ ‘Dhrishthabuddhi was now full of anxiety, and also hungry. He thought, “What should I do ? Where should I go ? How can I maintain myself ? “ He then began to steal. The king’s constables arrested him, but when they learned who it was, and that his father was the famous DhanapAla, they released him. He was caught and released in this way many times. But at last, sick of his arrogance and total disrespect for others, and their property, the ill-mannered Dhrishthabuddhi was apprehended, handcuffed, and then beaten. After whipping him, the king’s marshals warned him, “Oh evil minded one ! There is no place for you in this kingdom……….!!!”

“ ‘However, Dhrishthabuddhi was freed from his tribulation by his father and immediately thereafter entered the dense forest. He wandered here and there, hungry and thirsty and suffering greatly. Eventually he began killing the jungle animals, the lions, deer, boars, and even wolves for food. Always ready in his hand was his bow, always on his shoulder was his quiver full of arrows. He also killed many birds, such as chakoras, peacocks, kankas, doves and pigeons. He unhesitatingly slaughtered many species of birds and animals to maintain his sinful way of life, the sinful results accumulating more and more each day. On account of his previous sins, he was now immersed in an ocean of great sin that was so relentless that it appeared that he could not get out.

“ ‘Dhrishthabuddhi was always miserable and anxious, but one day, during the month of VaisAkha, by the force of some of his past merit he chanced upon the sacred Ashrama of KauNDinya Muni. The great sage had just finished bathing in the Ganges River, and water was dripping from him still. Dhrishthabuddhi had the great good fortune to touch some of those droplets of water that were falling from the great sage’s wet clothing. Instantly Dhrishthabuddhi was freed of his ignorance, and his sinful reactions were reduced. Offering his humble obeisances to KauNDinya Muni, Dhrishthabuddhi prayed to him with joined palms; ”Oh great brAhmana, please describe to me some of the atonement I may perform without too much endeavour. I have committed so many sins in my life, and these have now made me very poor.”

“ ‘The great rishi replied, “Oh son, listen with great attention, for by hearing me your life will change, and you will become free of all your remaining sins. In the light fortnight of this very month, VaisAkha (April-May) there occurs the sacred Mohinii EkAdasii, which has the power to nullify sins as vast and weighty as Mount Sumeru. If you follow my advice and faithfully observe a fast on this EkAdasii, which is so dear to Lord Hari, you will be freed from all the sinful reactions of many, many births.”

“ ‘Hearing these words with great joy, Dhrishthabuddhi promised to observe a fast on Mohinii EkAdasii according to the sage’s instructions and direction. Oh best of kings, Oh RAmachandra Bhagavan, by fasting completely on Mohinii EkAdasii, the once sinful Dhrishthabuddhi, the prodigal son of the merchant DhanapAla, became sinless. Afterwards he achieved a beautiful transcendental form and, free at last of all obstacles, rode upon the carrier of Lord Vishnu, Garuda, to the Supreme abode of the Lord.

“ ‘Oh RAmachandra, the fast day of Mohinii EkAdasii removes the darkest illusory attachments to material existence. There is thus no better fast day in all the three worlds than this.’ ”

Lord Sri Krishna concluded, “…and so, Oh Yudhishthira, there is no place of pilgrimage, no sacrifice, and no charity that can bestow merit equal to even one sixteenth of the merit a faithful devotee of Mine obtains by observing the Mohinii EkAdasii. And He who hears and studies the glories of Mohinii EkAdasii achieves the merit of giving away one thousand cows in charity.

Narayana Maharaja at Mayapura in early days

When we went to Mayapura in 1971 the Gaudiya Matha God brothers were saying Srila Prabhupada was bogus for having women on his party, for initiating westerners and so on, and worse of all, they said he was bogus to use the title of "Prabhupada." Narayana Maharaja was there at the time and he was associated with those God brothers. Srila Prabhupada tried to placate them all by inviting them over for a meeting, and when they came they refused to offer dandavats back to Srila Prabhupada (I was there). And what happened next Madhava maharaja (Sridhara's best friend) stuck his finger in Srila Prabhupada's face and told him he had to quit using the title of Prabhupada. After they left Srila Prabhupada said, post a guard with a gun at my door, some of my brothers might want to harm me or kill me. As for Narayana Maharaja, he tried to get people to boycott Srila Prabhupada's invitation, he refused to come to the meeting. Of course later Narayana Maharaja was the leader of the GBC gopi club and he said we were poison ritviks for not working with the GBC gurus like he was doing. He was going to Dallas and hanging out with Tamal, and when one of my friends tried to tell him the GBC gurus were bogus, NM practially spat in his face, he said that the GBC gurus are his friends and he will not tolerate insults to them. ys pd

Janardana's dream

Janardana dasa: I had a dream in which Srila Prabhupada appeared in last night ... it was very sad at first ... Srila Prabhupada was hanging by his neck on a rope with three other devotees in saffron on a street corner. I ran over as fast as I could to try to help in some way ... then as soon as I got there they were released somehow or other ... and standing next to the sidewalk. Srila Prabhupada smiled at me, and I could see that he had cards in his hands ... like a poker hand of cards. then I immediately dropped down and paid my obeisances ... I looked up and they were all gone... I was really choked up and crying, my wife woke me up because I was making crying noises in my sleep. The message: *from my interpretation* so even though ISKCON has essentially hung Srila Prabhupada and declared him DEAD, Prabhupada has his own hand of cards he is awaiting to play. I hope to serve him in that hand. very very heavy dream...

all glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada! our only shelter...our only hope...

< PADA: This dream is somewhat close to what Yadubara ACBS (the photographer) told me once in LA in 1997, he said to me -- ISKCON is like a room full of people around a table and a dead person is hanging in the room and one wants to discuss it. I said yes, this is exactly what I am now just launching, the poison case, I am saying Srila Prabhupada was poisoned and no one wants to discuss that. ys pd >

Homage to the World Acharya

Free Gita text online

Sunday, April 29, 2012

Devotee recants views

PADA: A devotee who used to write to me to say I was "offending Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami" has wrote to tell me they now agree that I was right to oppose the GBC guru regime. I will not mention their name right now because I would want their permission to use it, but anyway its a good sign, it means we are making progress. Time is on our side! I would say this devotee is simply another victim of the regime. ys pd 

Live footage of Udupi festival
PADA: Thanks Gauridasa pandit dasa for the film! ys pd

Vrajabhumi dasi on jiva tattva

VBD: These kinds of ideas (that we fell from vaikuntha) are the basis of how ISKCON teaches about the cause, and therefore a solution to the cause, of samsara (repeated material existence of suffering, death, rebirth). This question is naturally developed: what is the natural solution to the cause? Answer: the opposite of the desire to enjoy like Krishna. What is that? The desire to serve Krishna’s enjoyment, with no desire to enjoy of our own. That’s what’s taught in ISKCON circles as the self-evident basis for bhakti-yoga, and, taught as the mentality that everyone needs to aspire for in order to attain heaven (Vaikuntha or Goloka). The problem is, it’s a complete concoction by Prabhupada. 
[PADA: Just see how the bogus Gaudiya Matha and Narayana Maharaja idea is being promoted, that we fell from vaikuntha is "a concoction." Of course how do these people know how we got here, at all? And if we did not become envious of Krishna, then isn't Vrajabhumi saying we sort of landed here somehow or other (the Christian idea)? How did we get here then?]
VBD: There is never any shastric pramana offered for that theology, all they ever do is quote Prabhupada, as if his word alone is shastric pramana. 
[PADA: Oh great, so Narayana Maharaja has made his people think they know shastra better than the pure devotees, hee hee! Again, what is shastra? Shastra is the speaking of a pure devotee, so if a pure devotee says we all originated with Krishna, he would know, we have no way of knowing.]
VBD: Prabhupada never presented shastric pramana for that ideology. For example the quote above from the purport to a verse from Caitanya Caritāmṛta — that’s commenting on a verse which actually, unbelievably, says that the origin of the jiva’s material existence has no original cause because the jiva has always been ignorant. That’s the nature of the jiva until attaining enlightenment, which I explain according to what shastra actually teaches on the topic at: Inconceivably We’re One, But We’re Not The same.
[PADA: OK, nitya enslaved really means -- it is a long time, time immemorial. That is not eternal time, it means we have been here for such a long time  -- it almost might as well have been an eternity for our teeny little selves. Notice VBD gives no explanation for how the souls became ignorant in the first place? The souls in the material world became ignorant by -- chance, by accident, by God being biased against some souls, she does not explain her point?]  
VBD: Why did Prabhupada teach what he taught on the origin of the jiva? 
[PADA: Because that is the only thing that makes sense, that we ourselves are the cause of our own fall down. Otherwise, the cause of our fall down would have been God Himself. Why would God cause His own children to fall down and suffer? VBD is making God out to be a tyrant who forces His children to suffer for no reason. She is teaching a sort of Christian idea, i.e. randomly (for no apparent cause), some souls are here because -- God randomly places some of us here (again for no specific cause), while He randomly places others in heaven. God is tossing dice around. Sorry, "the cause" is that we became envious of God, we caused our own failure by that envy.]
VBD: There have been various theories, a popular one is that he didn’t think the western mind could relate to Vedic thought on the origin of jiva from Brahman. 
[PADA: Well if we all originated in brahman, how did we become envious of Krishna? Why would Krishna start off some of His children with Him in heaven, and then randomly toss others into brahman and thus into the material world, because that is all we can do from brahman? She gives no explanation: Why is God such a random actor, and thus a tyrant etc.? This is like Christianity, they ALSO say -- some folks started off in heaven with God, and some did not, its all random with no rhyme or reason, except -- God is biased against some of His children. He is a tyrant.]
VBD: I don’t believe that since his stated mission from the beginning was to get a following in the west so he could go back to India and make a big impact there with his western followers. Of course another popular theory among the ISKCON crowd is that Prabhupada was simply presenting the truth, although they often acknowledge that he contradicted himself by also teaching that the jivas never fall from Vaikuntha back into samsara, both in his books and elsewhere. In fact, in his books you rarely see him directly mention the idea of the jiva falling from Vaikuntha, most of those statements were either in recorded lectures and conversations, or letters.
[PADA: OK, but this does not explain the Narayana Maharaja idea -- that (randomly, from no apparent cause) some jivas start off  (a) in Vaikuntha and -- equally randomly -- some start off (b) in brahman, and have to fall here? How did we get here then? These people do not explain that. ys pd]

Children make Ratha festival

Not sure where this is?

Saturday, April 28, 2012

New Music by PADA orchestra

Narasimha Chaturdasi Prabhupada mandir Sunnyvale

A few quotes about renunciation

"Spiritual life means to gradually forget sex life. Material life means sex life. In the spiritual world there is no sex life because there is no birth, there is no death. That is stated in Bhagavata. Although the women are very, very beautiful, many thousand times more beautiful than here... Their stature of body, their everything, youthfulness, everything. But still they are so much engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in chanting the glories, that they are not, I mean to say, influenced by the lust. That is stated in Śrīmad-Bhāgavata, in the Vaikuṇṭha. There are women. They also, men and women there is, and they also go by airplane, fly in the sky for trip, and all of them are devotees to Nārāyaṇa, Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa associate. So these things are described. So similarly, amongst the gopīs also. So in the spiritual life there is nothing like this sex pleasure. And the more we forget sex life, that means we are advancing in spiritual life."
(Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindavan)

In Vaikuṇṭha there is no sex life because the sex pleasure is not the foremost pleasure in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka. The sex pleasure is foremost here in this material world. They have got so much transcendental spiritual pleasure, this sex pleasure—they are astonished: is that pleasure? (Makes spitting sound) Phu! Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravinde nava-nava-rasa-dhāma... That stage is possible. Still there are so many brahmacārīs. So everything depends on practice. Abhyāsa yoga-yuktena [Bg. 8.8]. That requires determination."
(Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindaban)

"Yet despite the pleasant atmosphere, the minds of the denizens do not become agitated because in the spiritual world, the Vaikuṇṭha planets, the spiritualistic minds of the inhabitants are so much absorbed in the spiritual vibration of chanting the glories of the Lord that such enjoyment could not be surpassed by any other enjoyment, even sex, which is the culmination of all pleasure in the material world. In other words, in the Vaikuṇṭha world, in spite of its better atmosphere and facilities, there is no impetus for sex life. As stated in Bhagavad-gītā (2.59), paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate: the inhabitants are so spiritually enlightened that in the presence of such spirituality, sex life is insignificant."
(Srimad Bhagavatam 4.6.30, Purport)

"According to Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura also, a husband and wife can turn the home into a place as good as Vaikuṇṭha, even while in this material world. Being absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even in this world husband and wife can live in Vaikuṇṭha simply by installing the Deity of the Lord within the home and serving the Deity according to the directions of the śāstras. In this way, they will never feel the sex urge. That is the test of advancement in devotional service. One who is advanced in devotional service is never attracted by sex life, and as soon as one becomes detached from sex life and proportionately attached to the service of the Lord, he actually experiences living in the Vaikuṇṭha planets. In the ultimate issue, there is actually no material world, but when one forgets the service of the Lord and engages himself in the service of his senses, he is said to be living in the material world. "
(Srimad Bhagavatam 4.23.29 Purport)

Departed Vaishnavas by Giriraja swami

Hmmm, where is Sulochana's photo? 

Bangalore v Bombay on India TV
[PADA: Bangalore representatives refused to speak to CNN-IBN. The mudslinging continues with one serious charge after another coming to light even as the Supreme Court urged both parties to reach a peaceful settlement. The fact remains, that in the United States and Europe, adverse publicity has ensured the multi-million dollar religious organization is often shunned.


Thursday, April 26, 2012

Bangalore court case update

Giant Jagganatha deity

Not sure where this deity is from?

ISKCON's "Srila Prabhupada is pre-eminent"

Again Contradictory Facts

BY: ENGLISH YATRA DEVOTEES -- Is Srila Prabhupada in the centre or not?

Here are some considerations on recent events at Bhaktivedanta Manor. Sureshwara prabhu gave a seminar that was full of nice quotes, pictures and an obviously detailed and thorough effort to establish Srila Prabhupada's pre-eminency in ISKCON. 

[PADA: This is a good start, that means they are "back-door admitting" that Srila Prabhupada has been put into a position of lesser eminence, and foolish and fallen people have been given pre-eminence instead.]

However, as in his seminar there was no room for discussion, we feel compelled to highlight a few points.

[PADA: This is always another problem, no one is allowed to ask questions at their presentations, unless its just their own groupies. Narayana Maharaja was the same way, he refused to talk to me after inviting me to his ashram, he knew I would ask contrary questions.] 

One of them is that there was an over-emphasis on the supposed defectiveness of Srila Prabhupada's use of the English language: he classed Prabhupada's original Srimad Bhagwatam as "so defective that it was almost comic."

[PADA: This is not a good sign, they are criticizing the writings of the pure devotee. I always loved the original Srimad Bhagavatams, despite so-called grammar errors, it was pure knowledge.] 

We feel that this kind of comment was an unnecessary and offensive criticism toward the words of a Pure Devotee. Could this be a direct or indirect attempt to justify the book changes?

[PADA: Well in a word, yes it is.]

Furthermore, he described Srila Prabhupada's English as "broken". Anybody who listens to Prabhupada's lectures will have to disagree with this, as his speech is simple, clear, fluent, straightforward and very accurate in teaching every single point. Sureshwara prabhu also failed to address some important points raised by attending devotees: If, as he himself stated, the Zonal Acarya System was a definite bluff, then Q: how do we know that the present one, having been established by the same people who created that failed Zonal Acarya System, is bona fide?

[PADA: Right, no wonder they are not taking questions, the GBC gurus are still assigned zones every year at Mayapura, even today.]
What do all these efforts to establish Srila Prabhupada's pre-eminency mean? Is it that someone or something is threatening his position?

[PADA: The fact that his pre-eminence is in question means, they have pushed his eminence down, plain and simple.]

There is a lot of talk about putting Srila Prabhupada in the centre going on in ISKCON since years, but why is it that in reality it is the gurus, the sannyasis and GBC's who are in the centre? 

[PADA: Great question.]

While the seminar was going on, attended by about a dozen devotees, downstairs there was a huge turn up for Sivarama Swami's vyasa puja. There was his big picture on the altar and a table with his books and CDs, but no sight of Srila Prabhupada's books, pictures or bhajans. Could this be the real threat? Those questions still remain unanswered.

[PADA: Right, Danavir also had a book table of his own books and not one single Srila Prabhupada book, this is going on everywhere.]
As for the Ramnavami celebrations, the temple management organised a program for the local dignitaries, hosted by Radhanatha Swami and his disciples, wherein his autobiography was promoted. Again, no sight of Srila Prabhupada's books or pictures. Could again this be the real threat?

[PADA: You nailed it prabhu!]
Also in Ramnavami, during a program organised by the Manor management, some gurus gave talks on Rama katha, and again, Srila Prabhupada's picture was not displayed, nor were his pranams chanted by one of the speaker gurus. Again, could this neglectful forgetfulness be the real threat?

All this goes on again and again... in Srila Prabhupada's movement.

Some concerned devotees of the English yatra

[PADA: The good news is that more people are asking these questions. ys pd]

Bangalore's new temple correction

Ooop, that was not actually a Bangalore branch, sorry for the mistake. ys pd

Bangalore progress report

PADA: The Bangalore devotees are coming to the right conclusion, Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya. They are also quoting extensively from the PADA website in many of their documents and web sites; using PADA's quotes from our 1980s documents; using the July 9th letter, the will and other documents that we promoted since the 1980s -- and sometimes had to dig up out of guru's safes and so on. They have even entered into the poison issue fray supporting all our conclusions there.

And they are now even writing their own attack articles about Jayapataka, Bhakti Caru, Prabhavishnu swami etc. --- following exactly in our line of preaching. Meanwhile they are making new centers on a regular basis.

If everything continues as it is now, do the matha! Within ten years our Prabhupadanugas will have 100 centers in India and 5,000 full time brahmacharis living in those temples. Its on track to do exactly that! 

So it really does not matter too much who tries to halt our progress and process, its going ahead full steam and no one is going to be able to even slow us down, much less stop us. These people are fired up about Srila Prabhupada and they will fire up others and so forth, its going to progress no matter what. Our documents, our web sites, our writings and conclusions will become the standard ideal in time, yes its just a question of time. So some people may or may not like our program, our techniques, our style of writing, or whatever it is, but its not going to matter much, our idea is working.      

Thus we are frankly not too worried about attacks from a few GBC sympathizer types such as Tamohara etc. These people are not really accomplishing hardly anything, nor will they ever. In fact now Tamohara will dminish since he has been made a big topic of the Prabhupadavision site.

Incidently, the Prabhupadavision web site is YET another example of our good progress, they are also supporting the July 9th letter and so on and so forth. 

And of course the PV web site is also being attacked by the same set of fools who attacked us all along like Rocana, the GBC, Tamohara, his new bucket boy Sri Mukunda, and the whole same set of people who tried to stop us all along. (Rocana's site made up another BOGUS name "Prahlambhasura dasa" to attack the PV web site, this is another fake name, its just Rocana attacking us again). But Rocana has no devotees, no temples, no program, no nothing either. In fact our Sunnyvale temple is 100 times bigger than anything he has ever done.

Meanwhile Tamohara has some online initiations program, which amounts to very little progress. They are supporting Gaura Govinda Maharaja, and I was let into their "inner" e-mail circle of about 60 people to find that they are not organized at all. They are attacking each other for running off to other camps and gurus, and not being loyal to GGM etc. Tamohara's new ally Sri Mukunda has no program at all, except to write for Tamohara's bogus web site; and to go and beg food from the molester messiahs project; and to borrow money from devotees and not pay it back; to mis-use photos of Srila Prabhupada in an insulting way; to preach that no one should make deity outfits for Krishna -- which makes most people understand he is not even a devotee of Krishna; and to tell us to stop preaching that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya and let the molesters be worshipped as good as God. That is his whole preaching program. So he is another person who will never develop anything useful, just like hundreds of our other similar critics. So its pretty simple, do the matha! We are going to win, period. ys pd

Wednesday, April 25, 2012

India child bride wins freedom

Brief history of Jayapataka swami

No evidence cited?

[PADA: Notice that someone is assuming that Tamohara's e-mail was hacked by a Prabhupadanuga. Where is the evidence of this? The article ALSO says -- the alleged hacking is under investigation by the police, ok that means, there is no proof yet? There may be no proof that the e-mail was hacked at all, and the e-mail came from Tamohara himself? This is silly to pre-judge against us, it just means this writer is upset we are exposing these GBC guru programs like the GGM / Tamohara. ys pd]

More folks promote Original books!
PADA: Yep, we are winning on this point big time! ys pd

Tamohara's e-commerce initiations questioned

[PADA: Tamohara's web site offer e-initiations. Some think this is a guru business for money.  Anyway here are some recent comments on the Tamohara / GGM / Sri Mukunda gang of tricksters:]


Vaishnavaanghri Sevaka Dasa says:

Online Guru Business Franchisee’s Enmity with PADA & Prabhupada Vision web site

1 - PADA gives initiation for free, where as this guy (Tamohara) collects $120 or $150 per online diksha.
PADA’s free of cost diksha threatened this online guru business franchise.

2 - Prabhupada Vision web site  published articles by PADA about GGM folks which enraged this Tamohara guy.

Moreover Prabhupadavision site is increasingly publishing articles and popularizing hidden order of Prabhupada's july 9 letter.

Awareness about the fact that SP did not appoint successor gurus means, no way of pushing the GGM agenda into Prabhupada’s position, and no way of pushing online franchise gurus into GGM’s position.

3-Vilifying enemies as bread and butter for this guy.

He already misuded prabhupada visison’s comment system to impersonate a GBC with identical name and confessed to crimes on behalf to vilify GBC. 

[PADA: Meanwhile, Tamohara accuses others of cyber-impersonations?]

He did it in this article.Later on he exerted pressure on Editor to remove that comment. Though Prabhupada Vision has published this guy’s comments against Prabhupada vision site itself, still he is relentlessly designing various schemes to attack and vilify prabhupada vision site.

A)Claim that prabhupada vision audience hacked his website. 
B)Send his servants like Zzz Dasa aka Suresh to attack prabhupada loyalists and prabhpada vision.
[PADA: And Sri Mukunda is being cited extensively by Tamohara as his authority.]


Vaishnavaanghri Sevaka Dasa says:
Following is the article on which he made a comment impersonating a GBC:

David Casey says:
Online initiations? An argument how free is better than charged? I am sure that Srila Prabhupada did not think that it would stoop to offering diksa initiation online! Is this really happening? Has formal initiation become so cheap?


Tara says: Giving in the initiations for $$ ???? This is the lowest you can go. Something the Srila Prabhupada gave freely. This is something in itself that proves that the JBD`s- are running the show. They are making money out of something they were given for free by SP!!! Like goverdhan and japa retreats and different kirtan melas for $$. (You have to pay to chant Hare Krsna). ABSURD !!!

Ramesh says: I have been commenting on prabhupadavision from the very beginning. Krsna candra prabhu is one of the softest and gentle selfless devotees I have ever seen. This person (TD) is on a mission to vilify Prabhupada vision for rejecting to advertise his website here. Moreover TD was defeated utterly on PV website in the matter of defending GBC bogus gurus. So he has mission to vilify author of GGM article: puranjana das of PADA and Prabhupada vision for not accepting his deviant philosophical stance.

vaishnavaanghri sevaka dasa says:

Yes, online initiations are true. It is verifiable unless they remove it from their website. If you have login and login into their website, on top you see POLLS as part of menu. In the polls, you are asked a question: Do you approve this website giving diksha on behalf of prabhupada? Of course they don’t say in public that $120 is charged for diksha. But still, you are asked to pay $120 after some time on name of their services to you. It’s not a free website. LoL. :-) You see this $120 stuff in your profile/questions after login.

TD/GGM Folks cyber attacks attacks against prabhupada vision were exposed on the above comment links, TD is playing a smart ploy to counter attack prabhupada vision to throw mud and escape from his crimes/frauds. Though he is the one who attacked PV through his servants like Suresh Anand alias Zzz Dasa, now he is making it reverse saying some one hacked his website and hence prabhupada vision is responsible. Such ridiculous claim!

Actually that website was never hacked. Spirit net business website was actually put under maintainance only for 2-3 hours. As revealed by Commenter dasa in his comment:

TD is sending bulk mails to vilify Prabhupada vision and escape the consequences of vlifying PV he is making ONE MORE SMART claim that some one has hacked his e-mail also. Had it been really hacked by his nemeses, they would have destroyed it, it would not have possible to recover it.

David Casey says:

I just remembered something I missed when I commented last. Dear editor even though Tamohara has been email spanning and slandering your name internationally to anyone who would hear him, you have not mentioned his name apart from ‘particular individual’.

I mean to say we all know who it is but how humble and inoffensive can you get? You must have been a Christian to turn the other cheek like this! He is badmouthing you all over the world literally and you have never once said a word about him on your site. You comply to his incriminating words by removing his comments after he asked you to and instead of being grateful he slanders you and you say nothing?

Anyway I don’t expect an answer so please forgive me if I sound like I am challenging you I just wanted to say this and really I suppose thank you for your good example.
[PADA: Tamohara cites Sri Mukunda as his authority in these slandering e-mails. Birds of a feather.]


steve says:

David Casey,
You have noticed very subtle point and you are right on that. Krsna Candra prabhu has always been very gentle and even published comments against his own webiste. He actually never believed in moderation initially. As some people started abusing comment system for personal attacks, he was forced to implement moderation policy to keep website healthy and clean. A person must be so cruel to vilify such truthful and selfless person.

TD developed grudges against PV website and he already had longterm grudges against PADA.

So he is devising clever strategies to vilify PV for publishing articles of PADA. Previously he did same to a GBC nemesis by taking advantage of his name being identical to him. Then he pressurized editor to remove those impersonation comments. I also come across SPAM / Bulk mails which TD is sending to vilify prabhupada loyalists. I beleive TD’s website / email was not at all hacked. By claiming it as hacked he can avoid responsibility for his crminal actions such as vilification, impersonation etc. He can smartly ascribe responsibility of such actions to a (bogus) hacker.

There is reason for thinking so: PV webiste is very simple, it does not have anything except plain articles and comments. Where as spiritnet is said to be ning based complex social networking site even more than facebook. So it’s not easy to restore once it’s hacked. But PV webiste took at least 1 day if not 2 when it was hacked previously. Where as TD’s website was recovered with in 3 hours. It was just put inactove my moderator in maintainance state and claimed as hacked.

[PADA: Right, the guru business people have a LONG TERM GRUDGE AGAINST PADA. Hee hee. We be messing up their bid-ness! ys pd]

Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Why the GBC's Lilamrta is bogus

Hare Bol! (with Mr. Obama?)

Right to vote in ISKCON

Internal GBC war over book changes

Danavir is on our side, he does not want changes. You go Danavir! ys pd

Tamohara's apology (?)

TAMOHARA DASA: Dear ISKCON devotees of the multiplex universe! All glories to every living entity including God! Please hear my sincere prayer to those of you who I have ever connected with in my earthly pastimes I would like to offer my most sincerest and most humblest apologies for having offended you in any way shape or form.

Offending others is kind of my modus operandi so it is hardly news to you. I digress ... Well as you know I am always on some self righteous and megalomaniacal trip which most of the normal amongst you ... what is normal anyway, have noticed.

Those of you who are crazy probably have not noticed because you are probably some kind of dumbass or simpleton who believes my ranting and raving as some kind of spiritual insight and not the demoniac possession it really is.

[PADA: This letter sounds first of all like a cry for help. That would be good if he is serious. The first problem is: we are sort of being told that we are getting an apology, but with all the joking banter, is this sincere or not? Or is this another joke? If Tamohara is now finally admitting he is ranting to upset devotees with some sort of "demonic possession," why is he doing that to the devotees?

As for "demonic possession," well we would tend to agree -- for Tamohara to support the GBC's "demon" guru system -- by his promoting one of its members like Gaura Govinda Maharaja -- is promoting an evil system. Amazing admission since!, Gaura Govinda Maharaja is the person who wrote a position paper for the GBC gurus in 1988 admitting that the GBC / GGM "guru system" is PROMOTING DEMONS as gurus! Of course we are not surprised Sri Mukunda jumped on board to glorify this demon guru system as well, he simply could not constain his love for them.]

TD: I am not GAY and have never practiced Homosexuality in this life! Did I say Gay? No I hate Gays. I hate them to pieces! Hate the New World Order scum sucking bags of dog stool! I know what you are thinking! The CIA is behind this! They know my every move! There are spies everywhere, spies peering over my shoulder when I am sitting on the toilet reading the Huffington Post or hard copies of Padmagarbha’s anti Jew spam which I hate by the way.

[PADA: Its pretty evident that Tamohara does mention the CIA, NWO, Illuminati etc. all the time, so it does seem my dear prabhu, that you are obsessed with them. Personally, I could not function thinking that the CIA is in control of everything, because that would mean Krishna is not in control. That would ALSO mean -- there is no chance of me progressing on anything since the NWO aka "New World Order" cannot be challenged. I think a lot of devotees like your good self use this CIA / NWO idea to make the whole thing seem hopeless, that gets you folks off the hook for not taking action against the bogus gurus because, "no one can stop them, they are backed by the CIA, NWO, Illuminati, so do not bother fighting."

Its a cop out. 

And lest we forget, a lot of the devotees in this "nothing can be done" group tend to take intoxicants, because they are so depressed thinking there is no hope. Unfortunately, many devotees are in this category. For example a devotee died from heroin, one devotee here died from alcohol poison recently, and so forth, and these people all had the same idea, its hopeless, you cannot fight the illuminati NWO / CIA. This means these folks apparently have more faith in the powers of the CIA than faith in the powers of Krishna. Why keep mentioning the CIA, NWO, etc. because then I do not have to fix anything.]

TD: No I don’t have Tourette Syndrome! Look I am trying to control myself here! Don’t get me started cause I can swear like a trooper if you get me riled up! Okay I am back so deal with it! Okay where was I? Did I say I have all the answers to all the questions you may throw at me? My gurudev ...

[PADA: Well you have not answered our questions very rationally, and GGM did not answer me very well when we met in person. I think there is no good answer, GGM should not have "cooperated, tolerated and worked with" the bogus GBC gurus. Plain and simple.]

TD: Okay so I won’t go that way for you have worked out my rants on that subject matter. Did I say about the CIA controlling all of those websites who have not allowed me to rant and rave there?

[PADA: Sorry, you cannot rant on other's web sites because they are trying to have a serious discussion and instead you are ranting, so its not helping. They may be forced to take you off in that case.]

TD: No? Well they do! I know as a fact that they are all, every last one of them CIA agents! I have the documents to prove it or I can very well write something up!

[PADA: OK, so you have no documents as we suspected, you have to write these documents yourself, that means you are using this CIA argument as a crutch to make it look like you are the victim, when you are the aggressive ranter.]

TD: They twist the truth of how I should be listened to and turn it into some kind circus that I have no control of and it is like I am being sucked down into a whirlpool of megalomaniacal chaos where the only way to save myself from eternal damnation is to utter such vile profanities that would curl the toes of God himself!

[PADA: Right, well this explains why you are not being welcomed everywhere. You are behaving badly and that makes people want to take you off their forum, has nothing to do with the CIA.]

TD: Crazy? Who said I am crazy? Did you say that!? Or was it you! Yeah I know who pulls your string puppetboy! Where was I? Oh yeah ... what I wanted to do was apologize for my crazy paranoidcal ranting and raving that ends up burning all my bridges behind me and leaving in my wake utterly destroyed devotees who probably will never recover from having my association.

[PADA: Well this is a god step, right, you are just burning your bridges. And your good pal Sri Mukunda is doing the same thing, he is making personal attacks on others so he is wearing out his welcome all over the place. He is saying bad things about the ritviks and he is joining people who glorify the molester messiahs program, he has no idea that the molester messiahs program is on its last legs, he thinks he can revive the molester pooja program by joining them to attack the rtiviks. This is the most foolish thing we have heard in years.

So that means, by your personal attacks idea, whatever message you folks might have had -- whether good or bad, its not going to be noticed. Even if your message is good, no one will hear it if you come out and make personal insults attacks on others. I really try to avoid doing that and stick with the factual statements. Hence our web sites and blogs are increasing in readership. If you have to use a password for your website, we are going to beat your numbers automatically, our site is open for all. Password protection means you have something to hide in the minds of most people.]
TD: Who? What? Who made me say that? Why can’t I delete what I wrote? I will take legal action I am not without legal counsel I will sue you for every cent you have and make you work in the salt mines of Siberia for the rest of your life! Where was I?

[PADA: Are you taking drugs?]

TD: Oh yeah the CIA ... Mmmm now did I tell you they have infiltrated ISKCON and have caused havoc here? They have also infiltrated the Prabhupadanugas of ISKCON who are taking us all to hell! Don’t listen to anyone only to me for I am the only one with the intelligence to fight the CIA! Only I can save you! So sign up to my website and I will give you initiation online!

[PADA: Sorry, but I do not need saving from the CIA or the FBI, the FBI saved me from being assassinated by the GBC's gurus.]

TD: Take initiation from us from the comfort of your home and you will become fully fledged Prabhupada disciples with grandiose titles behind your name like "Tamohara dasa vanaprastha" acbssp, MSc, Aud. I’m back! Where did I go? Does it matter? Anyway I am so so so sorry for offending you. Did I already say that? Who?

I gotta go now these damn voices in my head are telling me to kill everyone! Damn those hell spawned voices! Ahhgggghhhhhhhh! Did I just write Ahhhgggghhhhh???? Who? Your’s in my service Ritvik Acharya of the whole wide world! HIS DIVINE DIGRACE AC BHAKTIVED ... Ooops! I mean His Holiness Tamohara dasa vanaprastha acbssp, MSc, Aud

[PADA: This is a cult meltdown. And just when its melting down into madness, Sri Mukunda joins them. Sorry, if you folks are in the GBC guru's canoe about to go over the waterfalls, paddling will not help. The whole GBC empire is collapsing. Anyone connected to that empire, whether it is Gaura Govinda maharaja himself or his supporters, even if they are nice people individually, they are going over the waterfalls of history. The GBC guru program is going down the tubes, and so are the people who "cooperated, tolerated and worked with" the GBC guru process. And so are the fools who jump into that canoe now thinking they are going to save it. 

Its going down. No one can save this program or its element parts and parcels like GGM. GGM put his money on the wrong horse, and that horse has lost the race. Its that simple. And now that people like Sri Mukunda are joining the GGM camp at this late stage, he is simply going down with them. The GBC guru process is over, its just a matter of time. Anyway, thanks for your apology, I think? The bottom line is that the GBC / GGM guru program is over, its history, and unless you folks are ready to move forward with the rest of us, you and Sri Mukunda will be aged fossils. We are hoping you will join us in moving forward.

ys pd]

Monday, April 23, 2012

Guru needs to be authorized
By Mathias Sabji

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Tamohara / GGM supported corporate elite guru-ism

TAMOHARA DASA: Dear Mahesh Prabhu et al; Obeisances, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. Thanks for writing, I always liked your article, though not always agreeing with them. I am a simple devotee, dont know much. All I know is related to notions of loyalty to Srila Prabhupada and team spirit. Kindly consider this simple but profound sentence; No two persons are ever exacty alike. For example Srila Bhakitsiddhanta Saraswati ordered 64 rounds, whereas Srila Praphupad preferred sankirtana, evidence shown below;

"All my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I, one, may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It is not that I give an order, 'Here is the next leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership is the leader.... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who is following is perfect." (Srila Prabhupada, Back to Godhead magazine, Vol. 13, No. 1-2)


[PADA: This is exactly what we said in 1978, there was no appointment of 11 gurus. Nor was Gaura Govinda Maharaja appointed as a guru as Tamohara and his fellow GGM followers claimed. The legacy was supposed to go to all the disciples, not just 11. Yet the GBC and their allies like Gaura Govinda Maharaja began to claim that 11 GBC gurus had been appointed, ... over and above all the other 5,000 disciples. So the GBC and GGM formed a sort of -- "corporate guru franchise business" -- an elitist society wherein ISKCON had the 11 original anointed and appointed acharyas, kings, rulers, messiahs, gurus, etc, and then there was the rest of us, the 5,000, and we were the non-appointed serfdom permanent life-time low-class peons. And Gaura Govinda Maharaja supported that system and the leaders of that system like Tamal. 

And the the 11 self-appointed gurus (backed by GGM) began to create a policy of banning, beating and even assassinating the rest of the 5,000, and the temples became empty thereby. Tamohara has never explained why he and GGM supported this elite corporate guru franchise / appointment idea. 

Rather, it was folks like us at PADA (risking life and limb by opposing folks like GGM) who were the ones among the original persons to promote the QUOTE ABOVE that "all the disciples will take the legacy." This was part of the 1977 conversations that had been suppressed by the GBC and their supporters like GGM. So this is very clear, there was no appointment of gurus, the legacy was for all the disciples. Yet the Tamohara / GBC / GGM globalist corporate elite CABAL, that Tamohara always complains about, SUPPORTED BY GGM, they hi-jacked ISKCON and made a corporate guru franchise business out of the society. And those of us who were quoting the citation from Srila Prabhupada given above WERE BEING BEATEN AND SHOT, by the corporate guru process which GGM was promoting. Amazing, Tamohara is saying he is against the elite corporatists, but then he supports the number one ally of the elite corporate guru system, namely GGM. And now Sri Mukunda has hitched his wagon to this parade of fools. ys pd




Sells original books etc.

GBC gurus not giving credit to Srila Prabhupada

More nectar programs in Bangalore

Saturday, April 21, 2012

I wanna be guru too! (Humor from Pedro prabhu)

Are any of these folks ritviks of NM?

[PADA: That is a good question. I am not sure how many of them are gurus, how many are initiating, if any are acting as ritviks and so on. I also do not know how many centers they have or what they are telling people now that their live guru is dead.  If anyone knows what is their current system, let us know. ys pd] 

Srila Prabhupada ordered: no changes!

Friday, April 20, 2012

Krishna1008 Readership by country

Rated by numbers of viewers per country: 1) United States;  2) India;  3) Australia;  4) United Kingdom;  5) Russia;  6) Canada;  7) Austria;  8) Germany;  9) Hong Kong;  10) Malaysia;  12) Former soviet union  13) Brasil.

We'd like to thank all of our readers! ys pd  

Take shelter of Srila Prabhupada is best idea

Thursday, April 19, 2012

ISKCON's elite class vs peons

Gaura Govinda followers

Gopisvara dasa says: Tamoharadasa, Perhaps my question was unclear. I asked it in context to a previous explanation you gave for something that Gaura Govinda Swami said. First, I had pointed out something GGS said that I had issue with. - Gour Govinda Swami: “You cannot understand what they have said merely by reading their books. Your consciousness is very low, so you cannot understand their words.”

You replied: TD: “Srila Prabhupada also said the same thing! He said, How can you understand Srila Bhaktisiddhanta? You should hear the explanation from me. Will you fault him for this?” So, please give me a little credit. Your reply plainly equates the stature of GGS and Srila Prabhupada IN THE SENSE that one needs to understand the words of a past acarya by hearing from a current acarya.

Now please answer this question. Now that GGS has disappeared, who do we need to consult in order to properly understand GG properly?

[PADA: Most of the Gaura Govinda folks subsequently fled to join Narayana Maharaja, and now that he is gone, they are going all over to find other living gurus, they no longer promote GGM.]


Vaishnavanghri Sevaka Dasa says:
Respected Editor (Prabhupada Vision), Tamohara Das is criticizing Prabhupada vision and making a call to abandon PV website and still using it to advertise his personal agenda of promoting GGM folks. He was ex-GGM’s henchman.

There are Two disciples of Srila Prabhupada with same name:
1) This Tamohara Das (ACBSP 1971, Canada, Audiologist)
2) Tamohara Das, GBC, Ex-CPO.

This Tamohara Das confessed to impersonate Tamohara das (GBC) in this PV comment:

Using our website for illegal activities like impersonating Tamohara Das(GBC) can give bad name to our website. Prabhu make an announcement and take measures about this fradulent person and protect of prabhupada loyalist community from badname. Otherwise there is every chance of people calling our website as fradulent.


Ramesh says: Harinama das prabhu, Thank you for speaking up truth with out hesitation.srila Prabhupada says in BG 10.4: Truth should be spoken for the benefit of people , even if it is not social etiquette.
One should not restrain from speaking truth for pleasing people.their should be called thief for benefit of people.

So I ‘m speaking truth here though it’s not social etiquette as it may not be polite & may appear as personal attack. Nonetheless truth is important than political correctness of Frankfurt – School. Tamohara das is a ritvik and he (simultaneously) supports GGS who violated ritvik system & propagated living guru philosophy if not attacked ritvik system. Tamohara das claims GGS is a pure devotee like Prabhupada! How is a Prabhupada Loyalist? Or is he GGS LOYALIST?

How he is Prabhupada loyalist and Ritvik when his role model is some one who attacked / violated srila Prabhupada’s ritvik system of 9 July 1977? Why he is commenting on Prabhupada vision? While criticizing the same website?

ANSWER: PADA is his enemy he want to defeat PADA online!

[PADA: Correct. Tamohara supports Gaura Govinda Maharaja, knowing that GGM was voted in at the re-coronation of of known homosexual alleged messiah named Bhavananda. 

Which is why Sri Mukunda dasa is now joining forces by cheer leading Tamohara, the biggest fan of GGM (and the homosexual pedophile messiah's recoronation club that GGM was voted into). In addition: Sri Mukunda cites Hari Sauri, one of Bhavananda's favorites even today. And SMD hangs out with the members of the molester messiahs program in LA. And SMD borrows money from devotees without paying it back. And SMD mis-usues photos of Srila Prabhupada -- even way worse than the GBC ever does. So all these folks are joining forces together more all the time, the good news is, they are dwindling and not being taken too seriously. Instead, our sites are gaining headway all the time and they are more diminished all the time.]

And HE OWNS A WEBSITE SO HE WANTS DEFEAT/DEFAME OTHER WEBSITES. Then as he always doing: he publishes whole article/comment section as HIS VICTORY FLAG ON HIS OWN WEBSITE! 

[PADA: Birds of a feather indeed. ys pd] 

Gaura Govinda maharaja appointment in doubt

Gopisvara dasa says:

Nam Hatta World Sankirtan Party
P.O. Box 157 * Geyserville, CA 95445 * USA
Dated: June 1993

NOTE: This REWARD is still unclaimed by the many Iskcon Gurus as of the Year 2009


This is a real offer. It’s not a joke. There is no expiration date. Bhima das backs it up, so if any ISKCON guru wants money, all he has to do is bring proof and collect on it.

So far no ISKCON guru has dared to come forward to answer it.

Some years back, Gour Govinda Maharaja disciples came to collect from Bhima in Singapore, insisting that their guru had told them that he had received a letter from Srila Prabhupada himself to become the acharya.

Bhima asked for the proof, but they had none. So a few months or so later, Gour Govinda Maharaja came to Singapore. Bhima went to the meeting, brought his cheque book, and after Gour Govinda Maharaja finished speaking his lecture, Bhima asked him, “So Maharaja, your disciples say that Srila Prabhupada personally gave you the order to become spiritual master. Can you please explain why you waited all those years until GBC appointed you to become guru? Why didn’t you immediately act on the order?”

Gour Govinda Maharaja responded, “What is that? What is it?” So Bhima spoke up a little louder, “Maharaja, is there an order for you to become guru?” No reply. Again Bhima asked, “Did Srila Prabhupada give you the order to become guru?” Silence. Bhima raised his voice, “Is there an order?” Everyone in the room was shocked. Maharaja was visibly stunned, and momentarily speechless. There was an uncomfortable pause.

He answered, “No order. No order. No order.” Three times. He was red-faced and couldn’t speak for 5 minutes afterwards, then asked the devotees to sing kirtan. A week later he passed away in India. Not since then has anyone else claimed to possess the required proof.

Preview new cinema movie "rasa yatra"

Srila Prabhupada on bogus v bona fide gurus

Bollywood actress be-headed over ransom

Wednesday, April 18, 2012

Honesty is the best policy
[PADA: Most of us neophyte devotees are just not ready for renounced life. Its just the way it is. Denying that our devotee's mundane attractions still exist -- well -- it is just not always helping a whole lot, this is pretty much what the article above says. And the points are well taken. Especially now that the temple life has been devastated, its harder than ever for people to become renounced. In any event, honesty is the best policy, agreed. The only solution according to Lord Chaitanya is: to think of Radha and Krishna, at least that is our best chance for help. But generally speaking, that is not going to happen all of a sudden. Its a gradual process, and sometimes, it can take many lifetimes and many trials and errors. The main thing is to keep trying, do not get discouraged, and hope for the mercy of the Lord. ys pd]  
‎" Therefore we should pray to Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva to sit in our hearts. We should pray, bahir nṛsiṁho hṛdaye nṛsiṁhaḥ: “Let Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva sit in the core of my heart, killing all my bad propensities. Let my mind become clean so that I may peacefully worship the Lord and bring peace to the entire world.”  The Prayers Offered to the Lord by the Residents of Jambudvipa : SB 5.18.9 : 

Do not make a haven for rascals

Naughty nun program being shut down

Jayadvaita's rotten changes to the Gita

Rajesh says:
Complete Prabhupada Book Changes: History, Listings, Statistics & Scams
Today I came across an article on SUN Sampradaya website which listed changes in BG as 77% overall.
(541 verses out of 700 changed)
Websites & Articles about Bookchanges:
Listing of Book Changes:
Krsna Book Changes Analysis:
PQ-PA BOOK Changes:
MANU SCRIPTS, History & Manu Script Scams
Statistics source:
Listing of Changes details PDF file:
Chapter wise changes Statistics:
Bhagavad-gita As It Is Verses Changed in the BBT 1983 Revised Edition
Chapters 1 – 18: 541 verses out of 700 = 77% changed
Number of Verses Changed Per Chapter
Ch 1: 35 out of 46 = 76% changed;
Ch 2: 49 out of 72 = 68% changed;
Ch 3: 33 out of 43 = 77% changed;
Ch 4: 23 out of 42 = 55% changed;
Ch 5: 19 out of 29 = 66% changed;
Ch 6: 43 out of 47 = 91% changed;
Ch 7: 22 out of 30 = 73% changed;
Ch 8: 21 out of 28 = 75% changed;
Ch 9: 24 out of 34 = 71% changed;
Ch 10: 36 out of 42 = 86% changed;
Ch 11: 50 out of 55 = 91% changed;
Ch 12: 16 out of 20 = 80% changed;
Ch 13: 24 out of 35 = 69% changed;
Ch 14: 24 out of 27 = 89% changed;
Ch 15: 15 out of 20 = 75% changed;
Ch 16: 20 out of 24 = 83% changed;
Ch 17: 26 out of 28 = 93% changed;
Ch 18: 61 out of 78 = 78% changed
  • Giri-nayaka das says:
    Rajesh: Today I came across an article on SUN Sampradaya website which listed changes in BG as 77% overall
    Such presentation is misleading. It is not that 77% of BG is changed, but changes appear in 77% of verses.
    If you take one verse as unit, change rate is 77%. If you take one chapter as unit, change rate is 100%, because all chapters include changes. But this is misleading, because BG is not really changed 100%, nor 77%. But changes do appear in 77% of verses (translation and purport), as you stated.
    • Gopisvara dasa says:
      Like the percentages really matter.
      What really matters is that they have decided to change the very substance, on their own whim, against the instructions of the Author, and have thus lost all connection to spiritual grace.
      In Dravida Das’ own words, broadcast widely on the internet…
      “Some time back many devotees had noticed that the new 9 Volume edition of the Caitanya Caritamrta had made a deliberate change from Srila Prabhupada’s original version, not unlike the one made by Bhakti Caru Swami mentioned earlier. Srila Prabhupada’s Caitanya Caritamrta states the following:
      “Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who *initiated* Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakisora dasa Babaji”
      (C:C, Chapter 1)
      In the new BBT doctored 9-volume edition, the same passage reads:
      “Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn accepted Srila Gaurakisora dasa Babaji”
      In other words it has been decided that contrary to what Srila Prabhupada states, Jagannatha Das Babaji did not really INITIATE Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura after all. Now the reason for the BBT changing Srila Prabhupada’s teaching here is very significant since the GBC maintain that the relationship between Jagannatha Das Babaji and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura was based not on ‘formal initiation’ but rather only on the transmission of transcendental knowledge’. Once it is accepted that the transmission of divine transcendental knowledge ALONE constitutes INITIATION – then the objections made by the GBC to the Ritvik system of initiation crumble, since Srila Prabhupada could also *initiate* us with transcendental knowledge.
      Thus the BBT could not allow Srila Prabhupada to teach that Jagannatha Dasa Babaji actually *initiated* Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, for that would indirectly sanction Srila Prabhupada *initiating* for many generations to come simply via his transcendental knowledge, with the ‘formal initiation’ administered via the Ritvik system that he set up. In any case the teaching given by Srila Prabhupada above is totally consistent with what Srila Prabhupada has taught about Diksa and initiation in the Caitanya Caritamrta itself:
      “Diksa actually means *initiating* a disciple *with transcendental knowledge* by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.” (Madhya-lila, 4:112, Purport)
      Of course just the very fact that the BBT is deliberately changing the main legacy left by Srila Prabhupada – his teachings – is horrendous enough.
      However the fact that it was done specifically to keep the positions of the GBC within the crumbling Guru system intact, is totally shameful.
      But just when you though it could not get any worse, it does. For the BBT have now become so arrogant in their campaign against Srila Prabhuada’s teachings, that they have even tried to JUSTIFY this change. Dravida Das, the BBT editor, upon being asked by Dhira Govinda Prabhu to justify the change, first sums up the reason for NOT changing Srila Prabhupada’s teachings as follows:
      “On the side of not changing the “initiated” phrases we have the strong bias against changing the books unless absolutely necessary and the fact that Srila Prabhupada did indeed say that Jagannatha das Babaji initiated Bhaktivinode.”
      (BBT Editor, Dravida Das)
      Please note that Dravida clearly ADMITS that Srila Prabhupada “DID indeed say that Jagannatha das Babaji initiated Bhaktivinode”.
      To any sane person, this would be the ONLY reason required to NOT tamper with Srila Prabhupada’s teachings in any manner whatsoever. But hold on.
      Dravida Das has a reason that far outweighs a mere detail such as what Srila Prabhupada himself actually taught. Rather he states we must change Srila Prabhupada’s teachings to ensure they conform with what is currently understood within ISKCON in regards to initiation:
      “Leaving one or both “initiated”s will strongly imply that the use of the phrases “direct disciple” and even “accepted [as his disciple]” indicate formal initiation as we know it in ISKCON, which is far from the truth.” (BBT Editor, Dravida Das)
      Dravida then adds that this reason was paramount in justifying the change:
      This last was the weightiest argument, in my view, for changing the passage.
      (BBT Editor, Dravida Das)
      Thus to summarise, what Dravida is saying is this: That whenever Srila Prabhupada’s teachings differ from the way ‘we know it in ISKCON’, then they must be changed to conform with the way we DO ‘know it in ISKCON’. And of course the way ‘we know it in ISKCON’ is dictated by whatever ridiculous philosophy the GBC happens to be preaching at the time.”