Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Prahlad Nrsimha (France) Who is a guru?

Double Thinking


We have many examples of ISKCON's conception that a guru can and may eventually fall down. The GBC accepts this idea. I have, however, given many obvious arguments proving that a real pure devotee can not fall down. And many other devotees did the same before me. Moreover, the notions of guru and of a pure devotee are abundantly mentioned and described in Sastras.

[PADA: This is the main problem with the false GBC's gurus and their hand maidens such as: / Rocana (Sampradaya Sun) / Sridhara Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Torben/  Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia et al. program, they claim that God's "guru successors" are often deviating, falling down, and we may find that their "gurus" are indeed full fledged debauchees. Thus, they more or less admit their gurus are often falling i.e. mundane men. We need to offer bhogha to mundane men? Even the Christians offer grace to Jesus, and not to the Church's priest or administration leaders? 

OK we got it, we need to worship the people who are falling down left, right and center to "go back to Godhead"? Ooops! Its an offense to the holy names to say gurus are ordinary men, if not falling down mundane men. Thus the whole foundation of their process is to declare that the "parampara chain of gurus from God" is full of deviants, debauchees, criminals, sexual predators, and perhaps worse odious villains -- and the like. How is this a guru parampara from God? 

Then! They need to "fix and repair" their own self-created messiah making factory's mess! 

Thus! Their "appointed and voted in gurus" are often in need of: fixing, repairing, advising, chastising, monitoring, censuring, suspending, removing, excommunicating, voting in, voting out and so many other ecclesiastical "GBC guru rules" that they have concocted over the years. Rocana is currently working on his "ISKCON constitution" full of all sorts of these concocted "rules" for managing the acharyas. Of course how is it that Rocana and the GBC have become the superior authority to Krishna and His acharyas? 

They never explain.

And this all got started even worse when in 1986 they officially claimed their gurus are often naughty juvenile crooks who need to go to reform school, when they announced their "guru reform." The GBC /Rocana / Torben/  Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia et al team seem to have dedicated their lives to "fixing, repairing and reforming" and chastising their false acharyas, but what they cannot seem to figure out is: their whole guru line is bogus. And so is their process of concocted guru appointing, guru voting in, ... and then supporting these false gurus. This is all bogus and concoction in the first place. OK, maybe these falling down people are not, were not, and could not have been gurus in the first place?]       

But the GBC has adopted, anyway, the concept that a guru is not necessarily a pure devotee. 

[PADA: Yep, finally the GBC / Rocana and their guru club is starting to gradually realize, gurus are pure devotees. Maybe falling down people need not apply for the post? Why has it taken them so long to figure out that gurus are pure devotees?]

We can wonder what is the use to have such a [conditioned] person as guru, but never mind! Let's accept that for a moment. In the GBC's concept, those persons are authorized to be gurus because Srila Prabhupada allowed and encouraged his disciples to become gurus one day. Discussion about the proper qualification to become guru apart, all that is therefore, somehow, based on Srila Prabhupada's authority and words.

[PADA: Right, a kindergarten child might become a brain surgeon some day, but we do not give him a surgeon's saw, drill, scalpel, and tell that kindergarten child to perform brain surgery -- now?]

Again, the GBC accepts the idea that those gurus may fall down. And that, in such a case, they will officially lose any spiritual authority.

About the whole GBC, we are somehow in the same set-up of things. It is based on Srila Prabhupada's authority and words. On the other hand, this notion of a managing body of persons being a spiritual authority (over a guru) is never mentioned nor described in Sastras. It is a fact, even if it can not be a pretext to argue about Srila Prabhupada's order. Nevertheless, we can be surprised that where pure devotees, who are widely mentioned and described in Sastras and in Prabhupada's words, are not absolute in ISKCON's opinion (for they may fall down and therefore lose their authority), a group of persons such as the GBC itself, which is never mentioned in the absolute Sastras, is, on the other hand, acknowledged by ISKCON as an absolute authority which can not fall down in any circumstances and consequently lose its authority. That, for the next 9,500 years. All that looks very strange and paradoxical.

Therefore, please, kindly put definitively in your mind that the day when the GBC will tell you to kill its opponents, and that it's better to start practicing Buddhism, you will have to do it without discussion or doubts, and you will be on the real path to perfection.

That reminds me the Soviet power in the ex-USSR. They were saying exactly the same. Individuals could eventually be wrong but the whole Communist Party could not. They were actually sincerely believing that. So, it looks great that after so many years of practice, the GBC has somehow, more or less, developed this high Communist Consciousness!

[PADA: Right, gurus are often deviants, and anyone who disagrees with that proposal will face banning, beating, and even assassinating. Nice! ys pd]


“I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74)
“They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success.

“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

“He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.

“His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.

“So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.
“Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.

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