PADA: Various Lokanath folks have wrote to PADA's editor offering some complaints, advice, and admonishing me for trying to criticize the "India born devotees" and so on.
1) PADA editor is wrong to chastise a person who is doing so much preaching.
OK but preaching -- what? Already someone (Nitai) was "preaching" -- like Lokanath's program has been doing -- way back in 1976 -- that Lord Brahma falls down -- therefore acharyas fall down. In fact Jayadvaita swami summarizes that Lokanath's guru parampara contains "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children."
Why does Lokanath's program promote that God's successors are often illicit sex deviants? This is what the blasphemers of Krishna preach, "Krishna is a debauchee and so are His acharyas." Why are we citing them as our authority?
Why doesn't Lokanath know that acharyas are not illicit sex deviants, and it is a severe aparadh to juxtapose illicit sex and acharyas?
When Srila Prabhupada was present here, he said -- the persons criticizing Lord Brahma have to be banned from ISKCON. And he said the people preaching this idea, that gurus are falling down, are black snakes. And thus -- they are poisoning people with their bogus ideas. Srila Prabhupada does not allow his followers to attack Lord Brahma.
Srila Prabhupada says -- discrediting the acharyas is being done to make people lose faith in Krishna and the parampara. It thus seems -- Lokanath wants to make people lost faith in Krishna, and it is working pretty good for him. So many ex-kulis now despise the religion thanks to Lokanath's "preaching."
Why is Lokanath participating in the same group that attacks Lord Brahma, knowing full well that Srila Prabhupada says this is the work of the black snakes, it is poison, offense, discredits the parampara, makes the general people faithless, and needs to be banned from ISKCON? Why is Lokanath openly defying Krishna and the acharyas? Notice that the opening speech on Lokanath's kirtan program attacks Lord Brahma.
Thus! We cannot "preach" what Srila Prabhupada forbids us to preach.
In sum, Lokanath's program is full time all the time engaged in preaching the black snake's poison ideas of Nitai, that gurus are often fallen and deviating. Lokanath's program has been preaching this nonsence since 1978: (a) Krishna is pure, therefore (B) His guru successors are often illicit sex deviants, and / or the people voted in as gurus by various illicit sex deviants etc.
Why does Lokanath's program claim that God's successors are often illicit sex deviants?
How can deviants vote in more acharyas?
Where does Srila Prabhupada say Krishna is pure, therefore: His successors are often debauchees, as the Lokanath program says?
Where does Krishna preach these ideas?
The GBC's "2/3 show of hands" vote reinstated a known deviant who was having oral sex with Taxi drivers in the dham. Why is Lokanath voted into their "sex with taxi driver's in the dham" guru parampara?
Why doesn't Lokanath know that oral sex with taxi drivers does not occur in Krishna's guru parampara? Lokanath is a leader of what one devotee says is "a semen sucking sampradaya." Lokanath and Basu Ghosh and the ICC do not know that there is no such thing as a semen sucking guru sampradaya? Only the mlecchas know about this fact evidently.
Thus we mlecchas do know, there is no such thing as an illicit sex chain of gurus from Krishna. So Lokanath evidently finds himself a nice semen sucking guru sampradaya, which has been credited with molesting perhaps thousands of children, to get voted into it as one of its star lawyers of shastra defenders? Why is he attracted to this process? At all?
2) PADA editor is a mleccha and cannot advise people from India.
Not sure how this is relevant?
Srila Prabhupada (not me!) says that anyone considering that acharyas are mundane and conditioned souls is committing one of the ten offenses to the holy name. Lokanath's program "preaches" that their acharyas are not even advanced enough to be considered as regular mundane conditioned souls, because Lokanath's acharyas are often: porno swamis, homosexuals, drunks, drug addicts, sexual predators; pedophiles, and in sum -- illicit sex with men, women and children deviants, etc.
That means Lokanath is promoting -- less -- than ordinary men as his acharyas. Why doesn't Lokanath find some nice guy somewhere, who is an honest man working as a janitor, and make him ISKCON's new acharya?
Why does Lokanath evidently go -- way out of his way -- to find the sleaziest sleaze bags he can find anywhere. And he anoints them as ISKCON's acharyas? It seems like Lokanath looks very hard to find some of the worst case sleaze bags he can find on the planet, to anoint as his acharyas -- left, right and center. I found some really low life scuz-bag guy, let us make him the messiah of the Jagat! And the India ICC committee goes along with all this process?
In sum, our mleccha culture is bad no doubt, but at least it does not recognize such unqualified persons to be gurus, but neither does Srila Prabhupada. Where does Krishna or Srila Prabhupada say that Krishna's successors -- and gurus -- are often falling down into all these deviations?
Krishna does not say that His successors are falling down scuz-buckets. And Srila Prabhupada says anyone who claims gurus are deviants is to be rejected as an offender who is gliding to hell. Why is Lokanath the lead general of this bogus army?
Yup! Almost all of the mlecchas worship someone like Jesus -- and they would never dream of worshiping Lokanath's sleaze bag acharya's process. Lokanath cannot even find a nice mundane man to worship, rather he promotes the worship of his best pals -- i.e. homosexuals, pedophiles, drunks, crooks, porno swamis, drug addicts and worse, because he thinks this is the qualification to be in Krishna's guru parampara? Or is this Beelzebub's parampara?
Worse! Why does Lokanath want little children to worship his illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, at all? Lokanath has his anal reconstructive surgery epidemic of children guru parampara going on over there in India, but shouldn't he wait until these people are adults before he promote his anal sex epidemic guru system to them?
Why is Lokanath forcing his anal sex epidemic guru parampara upon little children, who have no ability to defend themselves from his process? Why not wait until they are adults, and then ask them if they would like to volunteer to worship Lokanath's anal sex epidemic guru process, when they can make a mature choice on the matter?
This is called corrupting the morals of minors. Even one young man was only 17 and he was told he has to accept Jayatirtha as his guru -- if he wants to participate in ISKCON. Umm, Lokanath wants young people to worship illicit sex and drugs -- to participate in ISKCON?
This victim says he was too young to make a proper choice, in sum -- he was basically forced to accept a bogus guru -- thanks to Lokanath's ilk cramming their illicit sex and drugs pooja program upon these youths. Why not wait until these people are say -- 25 years old -- then ask them if they want to worship Lokanath's illicit sex and drugs messiahs, when they can make a proper choice.
Many ex-children victims complain they have had no choice in these matters, because the Lokanath program crams their pedophile worship process into little teeny children from the get go, when they have no ability to opt out. In other words, Lokanath's program is more or less forcing little kids to worship their pedophile's and deviants sampradaya. Then the Lokanath folks say these children had "bad karma." Ummm, you guys ran over the kids waiting for the school bus on purpose, because they had "bad karma"?
Why is Lokanath cramming his pedophile guru process down the throats of little children? At all? At least the adults can run away, while the children are basically stuck there, getting seriously abused by Lokanath's process.
Where does Krishna say that He wants little children to worship Lokanath's anal sex with children epidemic guru parampara? Us mlecchas cannot find any such statement from Krishna anywhere? OK maybe Lokanath's program is saying this, not Krishna? So Lokanath is evidently a VEDA VADA RATA, he is promoting his worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs process in the name of the Vedas, but that process is not found in the Vedas. He is making this up to cheat people, self evidently.
3) Lokanath has atoned for his sinful behavior.
We never heard this before. The acharyas are sinful people who have to atone for their sins? Which previous acharyas had a sexual predatory problem like Lokanath, and then they had to atone for that sin? Srila Prabhupada says the acharyas are transcendental and are thus not participating in any sinful activity, never mind them later having to atone for such sinful activity.
Now Lokanath is making the acharyas into mundane people who have mundane desires. And acharyas are then making some mundane atonement compensation for their sinful behaviors. This means acharyas are on the mundane platform. One ISKCON guru was allegedly caught having an affair, but we are told some other leaders said we should not pursue looking into it "because now he has become very sick, so he paid his dues for falling down." OK so he got sick, and atoned for his illicit desires? No, the guru is not committing sins from square one.
OK, a rank and file neophyte devotee who is still contaminated might perform sins -- and then have to compensate and atone for those sins, but that means -- he is not a pure devotee. Are there any examples of acharyas acting sinfully, such as touching a young girl, and then having to atone for that? OK this is more VEDA VADA RATA foolishness not found in the works of Srila Prabhupada.
4) Lokanath is taking our sins.
Wow! So the Lokanath program says we cannot be like the bogus Christians and worship a person like Jesus, and have Jesus take our sins -- because we need to worship Lokanath's program of bogus messiahs such as: -- homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators and deviants -- and they are going to take our sins. Srila Prabhupada said his followers should not even let people touch their feet because they will be taking sins, they are not qualified to do so. So Jesus cannot take sins, but homosexuals and pedophiles posing as messiahs can take sins? Where is this stated in shastra?
5) The Lokanath victim is not speaking up now.
Why do the victims have to act as their own adjudicating advocates and lawyers? Why isn't Lokanath acting as the legal defense advocate for the -- perhaps thousands -- of victims of Lokanath's child abuse cult in ISKCON?
The victims have to re-tell their story over and over and over and over for 30 years? That is re-harming the victims repeatedly. Rather, the job of a supposed spiritual leader like Lokanath is to act as the legal defense counsel for molesting victims. He should not be demanding the victims re-tell their story over and over and over, and act as their own defense team.
Lokanth is a leader, so he should be the person taking up their case and getting justice for these victims himself. What kind of justices is this -- when the victim is put on trial over and over? Why do victims have to act as their own advocates or legal defense team? Children victims need to act as their own defense advocate?
Why not have some leaders take up the case of Lokanath's victim, and the thousands of other ex-children who are victims of Lokanath's pedophile worshiping cult. Many times victims don't even want to testify in a court setting at all, because of all the trauma, stress, emotional and psychological damage from their having to re-tell their story over and over.
Why isn't Lokanath speaking up for these victims, and instead his followers are demanding the victims speak up to defend -- themselves? The victim is not on trial here, and making the victim their own advocate if not legal representation is -- another act of violence against the victim.
Anyway, there are many, many more points. Let us see how they respond to these starting points. ys pd
LOKANATH's CHILD BEATING BROTHERHOOD:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2021/09/are-iskcons-child-beaters-going-home-to.html
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[PADA: Well for starters, telling the Christians they are bogus ritviks; and they have to worship Prithu's illicit sex with men, women and children guru process; and not be bogus Christ worshipers; is not going to convince the Christians. Christians are not going to quit worship of Jesus to worship Prithu's pedophile messiahs program. Full stop period. ys pd
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SD Dasi: These people never answer our questions. They will just ban us ... and call us bad names ... "offenders, mlecchas, stupid women" and worse than that. They are really very arrogant.
ReplyDeleteThey must know by now ... almost no one is going to accept that predators of children are "gurus descending from Krishna loka to teach us fallen souls." What are they smoking so they think that is going to work ... ever? It is not working already.
They are just hanging on to their big lie ... that gurus are often evil predators. And that is right ... Krishna is the original guru so when His successor is evil ... then Krishna is evil. They are trying to turn people away from Krishna. And no wonder so many devotees have abandoned the ship. Most people don't want to be part of those who are trying their whole lives to divert people and make Krishna appear as evil maniac ... because His successors are evil.
I guess we should not expect any answer ... because what is the answer when a person is giving the wrong teaching? The answer is ... they are preaching evil and they know they are preaching evil ... and now they are angry we caught on. I agree ... the victims should not have to act as their own attorney ... that is simply rubbing salt into the wound. Lokanath is the captain of this ship of fools and he should be leading by representing the victims ... not kicking sand into the faces of the victims ... to blind them with more lies, diversions, bluff and mind games. That is cruel, mean, nasty and ... sorry to say ... it is what they do always.
I was gonna say ... they also poisoned Prabhupada ... but they will argue with us ... but they cannot argue that they poisoned ISKCON and made many children die spiritually or even for real. They poisoned ISKCON ... and that is why it became a ghost town ... the living things could not live there ... they are dying there. Living things cannot live in an ocean of poison ...
GKD: Dear PADA Latest coup of the false guru conspiracy is to teach that Jesus never existed. "Oh, Jesus was pure, and our gurus are full of bad habits? Let's solve this problem by declaring that Jesus never existed" Sangam Talks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmZlckcwMY
ReplyDeleteIn other words the Vaishnava institutions are accused of being even lower than the sinful Christians. That Christians are sinful but they do not go so low to replace Jesus with a false successor. They realized that their living guru program is completely defeated by the Christians. The guru of the Christians is far above their living guru gambling. Gambling because the followers of a living guru can never know whether their guru is eventually smashed by the material energy like it happened so often (80% fall down rate). They see now the only solution out of this debacle is to declare that Jesus never existed.
[PADA: Yes, Prithu ripped up a pamphlet where the ritviks were trying to get people to worship Prabhupada. Prithu really hates is when people stop worship of his mass molesting of children epidemic messiah's program. Then his wife Rambhouru Brinkman is on hand with a "therapy program" to fix the mass molesting victims -- created by Prithu's worship of pedophiles program. Meanwhile these guys regularly argue that we cannot be like the bogus ritvik Christians, who are bogus -- because they do not worship pedophiles? OK they hate to see people worshiping Jesus, because then those people will not be worshiping pedophiles. That will not fit their agenda. And now they are all rallying around Lokanath. Duh, he is another pedophile, so they defend him and attack the victims. Then we need Rambhouru to give us therapy, for the problems her own program is making for children.