Enver: Hey Australian devotee, if you think that Prabhuvishnu swami aka PVd is or was a "great devotee," you are very naive. He is wearing tilaka and sannyasa robes and he is acting like a dog and we are to consider him a devotee. Yeah right! Even if you think that you are a devotee with such a low discriminatory power, you are badly mistaken. Lol!
To be a devotee is not so easy. You need to become conscious first baba, and then hope to become Krsna conscious. You are not even conscious of the pain that you are causing to those whose life was shattered by those "great devotees" like PVS. You speak of forgiveness as though you are an uttama adhikary, so I presume that you will forgive me for not forgiving them.
I am certain that all Vedic kings, when faced with the task of having to punish or kill some criminal, as was their duty, just said: "Hey bro, hate the sin, not the siner, you’re free to go my rapist friend. I forgive you. Here is another child for you to rape.Or, do you prefer someone’s wife? No worries, I shall arrrange. Oh, you need some money too? Here is my all my wealth dear sir. Wait, better I make you a king or even a 'rishi' so that you can enjoy more." Lol! Pvs….a great devotee? Give us a break!
Are you insane or have you eaten some of pvs’s “maha”?
"Yadubara: What about for the devotees, Srila Prabhupada? Sometimes they are very sick, have so many…
Prabhupada: Devotees… To become devotee is not so cheap thing. You don’t think that because you have got a tilaka you have become devotee. Why do you think like that?
Pusta Krsna: Jaya Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That Bhaktivinoda Thakura, eita eka kalira chela, nake tilaka, galaya mala:(?) “Here is another follower of Kali. He has got tilaka and mala.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala (?) “He is worshiping, bhajana, taking another’s wife.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala, ei ta eka kalira chela “Here is a servant of Kali. Simply he has changed his dress with tilaka and mala.” Bhaktivinoda Thakura says. IF YOU TAKE TILAKA AND MALA AND DO SOME NONSENSE THINGS, THEN YOU ARE NOT A DEVOTEE. YOU ARE KALI- CHELA. TO BECOME A DEVOTEE IS NOT SO EASY THING .
Atreya Rsi: Devotee means perfect.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Certainly. Devotee means sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is above these material laws. That is devotee. Brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is in the Brahman stage. That is devotee. If you take…. That means sahajiya. “Because I have got a tilaka and mala, I have become devotee.” This kind of cheating will not do.”
Ananda says: Enver is not aware of how Srila Prabhupada dealt with his sanyasis who fell down to illicit sex. In the early 70′s Madhudvisa Das (maharaj) was the GBC for Australia. He was certainly a great source of inspiration for the devotees and organized wonderful Rathayatras and led the most ecstatic kirtans. You’ll see some of this on the Prabhupada DVDs. Despite his great service, the women devotees of Melbourne were well aware of his tendency for illicit sex. Not enough space or time to go into all the politics of that here. But, Whenever Srila Prabhupada came to Melbourne he only had words of praise for Madhudvisa. Later when Madhudvisa did finally fall down and leave, Srila Prabhupada pleaded with him to please come back and do some service. Madhudvisa tells of this causeless mercy from Srila Prabhupada and we should pray for some of that mercy too.
The above article has many good points. “Hate the SIN and not the Sinner”. Srila Prabhupada himself, practiced this philosophy, especially in regard to his godbrothers. At certain times he criticizes them for not carrying out the orders of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. But, at other times, he would insist on offering them the greatest respect. Some of us have seen this. Anytime Prabhupada’s godbrothers came to visit him, usually in Mayapur, first class prasadam had to be arranged, and they were treated as if they were royalty.
Justin Phelps says: Ananda – Prabhavisnu was not only a sannyasa he was also a GBC and a Guru. If he was only a sannyasi then this can be forgiven as Srila Prabhupada did, if that was, all but he failed us in all of his positions. But his cheating / failure as a GURU is many times more serious and offensive than the others. He betrayed us and Srila Prabhupada when he illegally took the position of a bogus guru. He was not only morally weak he was a rascal of the first order by cheating his disciples by making them take shelter of him when he was an impure rascal and knew this better than any of us. You of course know this and your red herrings will only work on fools not those of us whose eyes have been opened. You refuse to open your eyes and you foolishly search for ways to excuse his lies and cheating but in doing so you show yourself as a fool and rascal as well. Remember the bogus gurus, their disciples and their apologists all offend Srila Prabhupada and make further offense by vilifying and offending the sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada who speak out against these aparadhis.
enver a. says: Ananda you are so naive.
1. To compare madudvisa’s falldown with a woman to a major philosophical deviation which will cause thousands of people to go to hell is bizarre, to say the least.
Srila Prabhupada was mercifull but he was not naive Ananada. he went down like fire on his beloved Brahmanamda and gargamuni when they started inventing their own philosophies and misleading others.
He did the same with Keith ham . He called him a crazy man and told others that he should be sent back to the mental hospital because of his craziness. Only when people showed some genuine remorse Srila Prabhupada would accept them back. This black snake pvs shows no remorse whatsoever. Same like satsvarupa das vantasi and lokanatha das vantasi etc. it has become normal to forgive those un- remorseful fools at the expense of their disciples and at the expense of this mission . They still keep misleading others on the account of being forgiven by the fools like you.
There is a vast difference between falling down with a woman and being humble about it and when one falls down with many women for decades and keep pretending that he is a guru at the same time . And to top it , a pvs is still very puffed up about it . He blames his victims for their misfortune. He used their hard earned money to pay his travel, hotels and hookers and now he blames them for being this way and that way. What an ungrateful man pvs is.it makes m blood curdle when the fools like you Ananda defend him.
You got to watch out on what side you are Ananda because despite being ignorant you may incure sin if you keep supporting the deviations hoisted on us by forgiving and defending those who perpertrated them.Such is the verdict of srimad bhagavatam. Your forgiveness for these fools may mean tha they will sleaze back in and continue to mislead others just like pvs did when he was forgiven for the first time by the gbc and by all of those who knew. In that case you will definitely share the burden of karma produced by them.
2. One is obliged to treat even his worst enemy as a friend when he is a guest in his house. Srila Prabhupada was perfectly demonstrating that facet of Vedic hospitality in relation to his godbrothers. What he really thought about them he wrote in his books,as we all know. He honoured the and foRbade us to associate with them because their association was dangerous for us. Need I say more?
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PADA: Madhuvisa fell down and Srila Prabhupada thus said “no more sannyasa,” and “let them get married” (in January 1977). Then Prabhavishnu clan says — he appointed 11 of these bogus sannyasas as Jagat Gurus in June of 1977? Then Prabhavishnu’s clan, and his Gaudiya Matha pals like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana maharaja, they all said in unison, yes they are not at all fit for sannyasa, so lets make them into the Jagat Gurus of the universe, sum totals of the demigods, Vishnupadas, Krishnapas and servants of Radharani etc, i.e. because they are not fit to be janitors in the hospital, lets make them the brain surgeons in the hospital. Srila Prabhupada told us in India, if you make a layman a brain surgeon he will simply cause chaos and patients will SIMPLY die, that’s all, and if you make a layman into a guru, … of course guru is way more than brain surgeon. Hence, Sri Isopanisad calls these people “killers of the soul.” ys pd
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To be a devotee is not so easy. You need to become conscious first baba, and then hope to become Krsna conscious. You are not even conscious of the pain that you are causing to those whose life was shattered by those "great devotees" like PVS. You speak of forgiveness as though you are an uttama adhikary, so I presume that you will forgive me for not forgiving them.
I am certain that all Vedic kings, when faced with the task of having to punish or kill some criminal, as was their duty, just said: "Hey bro, hate the sin, not the siner, you’re free to go my rapist friend. I forgive you. Here is another child for you to rape.Or, do you prefer someone’s wife? No worries, I shall arrrange. Oh, you need some money too? Here is my all my wealth dear sir. Wait, better I make you a king or even a 'rishi' so that you can enjoy more." Lol! Pvs….a great devotee? Give us a break!
Are you insane or have you eaten some of pvs’s “maha”?
"Yadubara: What about for the devotees, Srila Prabhupada? Sometimes they are very sick, have so many…
Prabhupada: Devotees… To become devotee is not so cheap thing. You don’t think that because you have got a tilaka you have become devotee. Why do you think like that?
Pusta Krsna: Jaya Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That Bhaktivinoda Thakura, eita eka kalira chela, nake tilaka, galaya mala:(?) “Here is another follower of Kali. He has got tilaka and mala.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala (?) “He is worshiping, bhajana, taking another’s wife.” Sahaja bhajana kacen mamu, sanga laiya parera wala, ei ta eka kalira chela “Here is a servant of Kali. Simply he has changed his dress with tilaka and mala.” Bhaktivinoda Thakura says. IF YOU TAKE TILAKA AND MALA AND DO SOME NONSENSE THINGS, THEN YOU ARE NOT A DEVOTEE. YOU ARE KALI- CHELA. TO BECOME A DEVOTEE IS NOT SO EASY THING .
Atreya Rsi: Devotee means perfect.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Certainly. Devotee means sa gunan samatityaitan brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is above these material laws. That is devotee. Brahma-bhuyaya kalpate. He is in the Brahman stage. That is devotee. If you take…. That means sahajiya. “Because I have got a tilaka and mala, I have become devotee.” This kind of cheating will not do.”
Ananda says: Enver is not aware of how Srila Prabhupada dealt with his sanyasis who fell down to illicit sex. In the early 70′s Madhudvisa Das (maharaj) was the GBC for Australia. He was certainly a great source of inspiration for the devotees and organized wonderful Rathayatras and led the most ecstatic kirtans. You’ll see some of this on the Prabhupada DVDs. Despite his great service, the women devotees of Melbourne were well aware of his tendency for illicit sex. Not enough space or time to go into all the politics of that here. But, Whenever Srila Prabhupada came to Melbourne he only had words of praise for Madhudvisa. Later when Madhudvisa did finally fall down and leave, Srila Prabhupada pleaded with him to please come back and do some service. Madhudvisa tells of this causeless mercy from Srila Prabhupada and we should pray for some of that mercy too.
The above article has many good points. “Hate the SIN and not the Sinner”. Srila Prabhupada himself, practiced this philosophy, especially in regard to his godbrothers. At certain times he criticizes them for not carrying out the orders of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. But, at other times, he would insist on offering them the greatest respect. Some of us have seen this. Anytime Prabhupada’s godbrothers came to visit him, usually in Mayapur, first class prasadam had to be arranged, and they were treated as if they were royalty.
Justin Phelps says: Ananda – Prabhavisnu was not only a sannyasa he was also a GBC and a Guru. If he was only a sannyasi then this can be forgiven as Srila Prabhupada did, if that was, all but he failed us in all of his positions. But his cheating / failure as a GURU is many times more serious and offensive than the others. He betrayed us and Srila Prabhupada when he illegally took the position of a bogus guru. He was not only morally weak he was a rascal of the first order by cheating his disciples by making them take shelter of him when he was an impure rascal and knew this better than any of us. You of course know this and your red herrings will only work on fools not those of us whose eyes have been opened. You refuse to open your eyes and you foolishly search for ways to excuse his lies and cheating but in doing so you show yourself as a fool and rascal as well. Remember the bogus gurus, their disciples and their apologists all offend Srila Prabhupada and make further offense by vilifying and offending the sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada who speak out against these aparadhis.
enver a. says: Ananda you are so naive.
1. To compare madudvisa’s falldown with a woman to a major philosophical deviation which will cause thousands of people to go to hell is bizarre, to say the least.
Srila Prabhupada was mercifull but he was not naive Ananada. he went down like fire on his beloved Brahmanamda and gargamuni when they started inventing their own philosophies and misleading others.
He did the same with Keith ham . He called him a crazy man and told others that he should be sent back to the mental hospital because of his craziness. Only when people showed some genuine remorse Srila Prabhupada would accept them back. This black snake pvs shows no remorse whatsoever. Same like satsvarupa das vantasi and lokanatha das vantasi etc. it has become normal to forgive those un- remorseful fools at the expense of their disciples and at the expense of this mission . They still keep misleading others on the account of being forgiven by the fools like you.
There is a vast difference between falling down with a woman and being humble about it and when one falls down with many women for decades and keep pretending that he is a guru at the same time . And to top it , a pvs is still very puffed up about it . He blames his victims for their misfortune. He used their hard earned money to pay his travel, hotels and hookers and now he blames them for being this way and that way. What an ungrateful man pvs is.it makes m blood curdle when the fools like you Ananda defend him.
You got to watch out on what side you are Ananda because despite being ignorant you may incure sin if you keep supporting the deviations hoisted on us by forgiving and defending those who perpertrated them.Such is the verdict of srimad bhagavatam. Your forgiveness for these fools may mean tha they will sleaze back in and continue to mislead others just like pvs did when he was forgiven for the first time by the gbc and by all of those who knew. In that case you will definitely share the burden of karma produced by them.
2. One is obliged to treat even his worst enemy as a friend when he is a guest in his house. Srila Prabhupada was perfectly demonstrating that facet of Vedic hospitality in relation to his godbrothers. What he really thought about them he wrote in his books,as we all know. He honoured the and foRbade us to associate with them because their association was dangerous for us. Need I say more?
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PADA: Madhuvisa fell down and Srila Prabhupada thus said “no more sannyasa,” and “let them get married” (in January 1977). Then Prabhavishnu clan says — he appointed 11 of these bogus sannyasas as Jagat Gurus in June of 1977? Then Prabhavishnu’s clan, and his Gaudiya Matha pals like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana maharaja, they all said in unison, yes they are not at all fit for sannyasa, so lets make them into the Jagat Gurus of the universe, sum totals of the demigods, Vishnupadas, Krishnapas and servants of Radharani etc, i.e. because they are not fit to be janitors in the hospital, lets make them the brain surgeons in the hospital. Srila Prabhupada told us in India, if you make a layman a brain surgeon he will simply cause chaos and patients will SIMPLY die, that’s all, and if you make a layman into a guru, … of course guru is way more than brain surgeon. Hence, Sri Isopanisad calls these people “killers of the soul.” ys pd
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PADA to Evildasa: There is not one shred of evidence Srila Prabhupada ever told this to Chitralekha, that she would have to go and find another guru for her children? In fact, this means Srila Prabhupada would have told only her what he wanted for ISKCON after he departed and nobody else? This is crazy.
No, Srila Prabhupada would have wrote that order, that he wanted us to find another guru, to all temples if he wanted that. In any case, I find it interesting that you cite from the people who created the worship of homosexual pedophile acharyas, who were in part in charge of the post-1977 gurukula agenda, where Chitralekha and Upendra forced thousands of children to worship known homosexual pedophiles as their acharyas, and so thousands of these children were molested under the orders of Chitralekha and Upendra, that children need to worship pedophiles as their messiahs.
Why are you in love with these people who claim that our children needed to worship pedophiles? And this is why we had to block you, you say that Srila Prabhupada wanted and ordered us to follow fools like Chitralekha and Upendra, and have our children worship pedophiles, which is all these people did after 1977, Chitralekha and Upendra were chief enforcers of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime. Is this why you call yourself Evildas, you are the servant of these vicious molester cult’s enforcers?
Don’t you know that Krishna’s enforcers, the Yamaduttas, will be sending their barking dogs upon these pedophile worship enforcers? That means you accept these child molester messiah program enforcers / leaders as your gurus, you do not worship Srila Prabhupada. ys pd
No, Srila Prabhupada would have wrote that order, that he wanted us to find another guru, to all temples if he wanted that. In any case, I find it interesting that you cite from the people who created the worship of homosexual pedophile acharyas, who were in part in charge of the post-1977 gurukula agenda, where Chitralekha and Upendra forced thousands of children to worship known homosexual pedophiles as their acharyas, and so thousands of these children were molested under the orders of Chitralekha and Upendra, that children need to worship pedophiles as their messiahs.
Why are you in love with these people who claim that our children needed to worship pedophiles? And this is why we had to block you, you say that Srila Prabhupada wanted and ordered us to follow fools like Chitralekha and Upendra, and have our children worship pedophiles, which is all these people did after 1977, Chitralekha and Upendra were chief enforcers of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime. Is this why you call yourself Evildas, you are the servant of these vicious molester cult’s enforcers?
Don’t you know that Krishna’s enforcers, the Yamaduttas, will be sending their barking dogs upon these pedophile worship enforcers? That means you accept these child molester messiah program enforcers / leaders as your gurus, you do not worship Srila Prabhupada. ys pd
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ReplyDeleteAn ex-Harikes disciple recently told me that Hari is very humble now. I replied, but he should have publicly stated that Prabhupada did not appoint them as diksa-gurus, why they still keep newcomers in that illusion?
ReplyDeleteHis reply was, by doing what Harikes is doing right now he anyway is saying exactly this, Prabhupada never ordered them to be diksa-gurus.
I said no, he keeps silent, people still have no clue. Harikes was known as the most intelligent of those eleven and if he would explain how they cheated everybody, more people would listen.
Same with PVS, he just walks out the door as if Prabhupada caused this chaos, pretending that Prabhupada ordered them to be gurus. No word that Prabhupada did not authorize diksa-gurus. Therefore we have all those ex-ISKCONites who joined the Gaudiya-matha.
They actually think like that, Prabhupada is the ultimate cause for all what happened. They rewrite history, Prabhupada was not precise, nobody knew what Prabhupada actually ordered, rank&file were kept in darkness, etc etc.
In sum, when a so called guru finally falls down, it is not over.
By keeping silent he still goes on pointing to Prabhupada as ultimate cause of this epidemic fallen guru madness which turns away intelligent Westerners. This actually is actual proof of their criminal energy.
Although the game is over, still, they go on keeping silent not to explain that Prabhupada did not authorize diksa-gurus. Very dark future for these folks, indeed, most dangerous elements of human society.
People in this age are so confused and bewildered and these rascals know better but deliberately keep humanity in darkness by putting the blame on Prabhupada.