http://prabhupadavision.com/2012/01/fallible-gurus/
Krsnacandra dasa: The most recent scenario is the fall down of Prabhavisnu Dāsa [ex swami] with a prostitute in Bangkok, Thailand. The ‘swami’ knew he was on a lesser spiritual platform than he expected his disciples to be and in most cases are and he knew this for decades as this was not his first visit to prostitutes. How many times has he been with Prostitutes over the decades while he was posing as an advanced Vaisnava?
He like many other Swamis and Devotees choose to stop over in Bangkok, even though Malaysia and Singapore are also international transit stops, for the very same reason as Prabhavisnu Dāsa – to engage in illicit sex with prostitutes.
Such degraded behavior is most unbecoming of a normal moral human what to speak of a Sannyāsa Guru of our Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava tradition. To engage in such sordid activity means that the person is on a low standard of material life what to speak of religious life and one can only imagine what they actually gave to their disciples in the way of true spiritual enlightenment when they possessed none? You cannot give what you don’t have. You can only point the way and that is the role of a śikṣā guru not a dīkṣā guru. What way is the guru pointing to when they engage in illicit sex with prostitutes?
The Australian Yatra picked itself up from the shattered remains of the aftermath of Bhavananda and it will pick itself up again but this time they must do it from the real platform of spiritual realization which is via taking shelter of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
The platform of the Rubberstamped guru fabrication that the GBC has installed to take the place of Śrīla Prabhupāda must be severely rebuked and rejected as it has never and will never provide any substance on which to base one’s spiritual or material life.
How many times will the devotees of ISKCON be cheated and betrayed by the lies and deceit of the GBC and the Temple Authorities who protect their positions as opposed to the truth. We are supposed to be a Brahminical movement who accepts the truth and acts in truth and yet our leaders are nothing but liars and criminals.
How long have the so called authorities of the Australian Yatra known that Prabhavisnu Dāsa was seeing prostitutes in Bangkok? I have known for well over ten years. How come no one spoke with him or preached to him? How come no one urged him or coerced him to be truthful and step down and get married? Where were his friends? Did he have any? How come after all these years as a devotee who is supposed to be practicing bhakti had he no friends who he could reveal his mind to? How come all these anarthas that are choking his devotional kripa were not removed from his heart? How could the man be so alone in such a so called personal movement?
The answer lies in the fact that our leaders are not true leaders. They lack even the most common decency of a run of the mill Christian who at least cares for others. Our leaders lack emotional and social maturity as they are too selfishly attached to what they can gain from their positions and disciples or followers.
Prabhavisnu Dāsa is in a unique position. He has been exposed for being a spiritual fraud yet all is not lost. The one good thing he could do with his life is to finally become honest and speak the truth for a change. He should speak with honesty about his falsity and how he was cheating everyone by accepting the position as a dīkṣā guru when he knew in his heart and by his intelligence that he was not qualified.
He should now stand up and be counted as a Prabhupāda Loyalist and join with us and in this way prove to himself and others that there was some sincerity in his heart to serve the pure devotee, his spiritual master, His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
The time of the FISKCON GBC and Rubberstamped Gurus is coming to an end. More and more will be exposed until we will come to a saturation point where even the neophytes will have to admit that the GBC and the Gurus are frauds and they should be rebuked and rejected.
This has to happen in order for the true purpose of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan Mission to again be revealed to the world and for devotees to have the fortitude to make the changes that are required to revert back to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON society.
For three and a half decades the GBC have tirelessly pushed ahead with their liberalistic/pluralistic agenda to direct our Vaiṣṇava society into the lap of modern kali yuga urban based society and it is about time we made the 180 degree change to the rural based society that Śrīla Prabhupāda taught us to have.
The world situation speaks loudly of an imminent collapse of the secular urban capitalistic society along with environmental catastrophe and these GBCs and Gurus are more interested in having city based centers and sending out children and adults into karmi schooling and employment. The sooner we all wake up to this betrayal of our mission and Śrīla Prabhupāda’s direct orders and instructions on how his society should be managed and which direction it should be headed to, the better off we all will be in the future.
Devotees such as Prabhavisnu Dāsa can play a vital role in rectifying the damage that they have helped do to our glorious Vaiṣṇava society for they will have to face Śrīla Prabhupāda in the end and what will they say to him? The more that gurus step down from their illegal positions as pretenders to the role of a bona fide spiritual master and man up and take on the role of rectifiers, the sooner we can make all the changes that we need to do in order to change.
If they selfishly cling to their fraudulent roles as gurus or GBCs, they will continue to create havoc to their own lives and the lives of the sincere seekers of true spiritual enlightenment that they themselves can never give anyone. They must give this role over to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
Krsnacandra dasa: The most recent scenario is the fall down of Prabhavisnu Dāsa [ex swami] with a prostitute in Bangkok, Thailand. The ‘swami’ knew he was on a lesser spiritual platform than he expected his disciples to be and in most cases are and he knew this for decades as this was not his first visit to prostitutes. How many times has he been with Prostitutes over the decades while he was posing as an advanced Vaisnava?
He like many other Swamis and Devotees choose to stop over in Bangkok, even though Malaysia and Singapore are also international transit stops, for the very same reason as Prabhavisnu Dāsa – to engage in illicit sex with prostitutes.
Such degraded behavior is most unbecoming of a normal moral human what to speak of a Sannyāsa Guru of our Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava tradition. To engage in such sordid activity means that the person is on a low standard of material life what to speak of religious life and one can only imagine what they actually gave to their disciples in the way of true spiritual enlightenment when they possessed none? You cannot give what you don’t have. You can only point the way and that is the role of a śikṣā guru not a dīkṣā guru. What way is the guru pointing to when they engage in illicit sex with prostitutes?
The Australian Yatra picked itself up from the shattered remains of the aftermath of Bhavananda and it will pick itself up again but this time they must do it from the real platform of spiritual realization which is via taking shelter of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
The platform of the Rubberstamped guru fabrication that the GBC has installed to take the place of Śrīla Prabhupāda must be severely rebuked and rejected as it has never and will never provide any substance on which to base one’s spiritual or material life.
How many times will the devotees of ISKCON be cheated and betrayed by the lies and deceit of the GBC and the Temple Authorities who protect their positions as opposed to the truth. We are supposed to be a Brahminical movement who accepts the truth and acts in truth and yet our leaders are nothing but liars and criminals.
How long have the so called authorities of the Australian Yatra known that Prabhavisnu Dāsa was seeing prostitutes in Bangkok? I have known for well over ten years. How come no one spoke with him or preached to him? How come no one urged him or coerced him to be truthful and step down and get married? Where were his friends? Did he have any? How come after all these years as a devotee who is supposed to be practicing bhakti had he no friends who he could reveal his mind to? How come all these anarthas that are choking his devotional kripa were not removed from his heart? How could the man be so alone in such a so called personal movement?
The answer lies in the fact that our leaders are not true leaders. They lack even the most common decency of a run of the mill Christian who at least cares for others. Our leaders lack emotional and social maturity as they are too selfishly attached to what they can gain from their positions and disciples or followers.
Prabhavisnu Dāsa is in a unique position. He has been exposed for being a spiritual fraud yet all is not lost. The one good thing he could do with his life is to finally become honest and speak the truth for a change. He should speak with honesty about his falsity and how he was cheating everyone by accepting the position as a dīkṣā guru when he knew in his heart and by his intelligence that he was not qualified.
He should now stand up and be counted as a Prabhupāda Loyalist and join with us and in this way prove to himself and others that there was some sincerity in his heart to serve the pure devotee, his spiritual master, His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
The time of the FISKCON GBC and Rubberstamped Gurus is coming to an end. More and more will be exposed until we will come to a saturation point where even the neophytes will have to admit that the GBC and the Gurus are frauds and they should be rebuked and rejected.
This has to happen in order for the true purpose of Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan Mission to again be revealed to the world and for devotees to have the fortitude to make the changes that are required to revert back to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s ISKCON society.
For three and a half decades the GBC have tirelessly pushed ahead with their liberalistic/pluralistic agenda to direct our Vaiṣṇava society into the lap of modern kali yuga urban based society and it is about time we made the 180 degree change to the rural based society that Śrīla Prabhupāda taught us to have.
The world situation speaks loudly of an imminent collapse of the secular urban capitalistic society along with environmental catastrophe and these GBCs and Gurus are more interested in having city based centers and sending out children and adults into karmi schooling and employment. The sooner we all wake up to this betrayal of our mission and Śrīla Prabhupāda’s direct orders and instructions on how his society should be managed and which direction it should be headed to, the better off we all will be in the future.
Devotees such as Prabhavisnu Dāsa can play a vital role in rectifying the damage that they have helped do to our glorious Vaiṣṇava society for they will have to face Śrīla Prabhupāda in the end and what will they say to him? The more that gurus step down from their illegal positions as pretenders to the role of a bona fide spiritual master and man up and take on the role of rectifiers, the sooner we can make all the changes that we need to do in order to change.
If they selfishly cling to their fraudulent roles as gurus or GBCs, they will continue to create havoc to their own lives and the lives of the sincere seekers of true spiritual enlightenment that they themselves can never give anyone. They must give this role over to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda.
"Collapse of GBC gurus is imminent" rather populist statement, catchphrase, buzzword. And you even know it.
ReplyDeleteThis type of journalism is not going to make the Prabhupadanugas popular. It is not even sure if PS ever will admit that this is correct statement.
To mention in advance, rush to judgement, condemnation in advance of trial usually ends with tit-for-tat response.
As you might have noticed, ISKCONites are in no way convinced that there is a better solution to their present system. The only thing what is happening, the atheist movement is in predominance and Western governments want to have Vaishnavism eliminated from their countries.
Something what devotees like Krishnachandra pr who live in the holy dham probably hardly can understand, whats happening in the West.
Pretty much questionable preliminary estimate of the global situation. Right now, we actually have to hit the nail on the head and to fully convince people, not make them run away with overhasty statements.
What? Their empire is collapsing, plain and simple, just see that most of the Krishna web sites nowadays are critical of these gurus, and more sites such as Prabhupadavision are appearing all the time, and meanwhile, the sites that defend them are almost dead, hardly ever any new stories. Dead end web sites. Sorry, our combined expose web site get three thousand percent more hits than they get for sure if not more, its that simple, they are being exposed and thus their days of glory are at a near dead end. P Swami has already admitted he has troubles and is trying to negotiate some sort of semi-retired suspended acharya status, but its too late, the cat is out of the bag. ys pd
ReplyDeleteAgreed the movement Prabhupada founded is collapsing under present management. But what is being done to regain people's faith in Prabhupada?
ReplyDeleteAny big enterprise, welfare, business, bank, etc., how they deal with internal corruption - they have those responsible individuals convicted and kicked out for good.
As soon people figure that criminal deviation is
not uprooted within a corporation, its reputation is destroyed, finished. The whole company becomes known as dubious nest of crime where criminals are protected.
But this is exactly what we have with ISKCON. Prabhupada's movement as a whole got convicted as hotbed of child abuse, as if Prabhupada had set up the structure of management in such a way to allow perverts to easily come into power. No
individuals got convicted, basically they all were waved through.
Usually child-abusers are locked up in single prison cells because child abuse is considered so degraded that even cell mates wont tolerate such person in their cell and often prisoners even kill child abusers in prison. But this is present status of Prabhupada's movement in US, totally destroyed reputation.
And, is it over? Daily more and more headlines of scandals. In sum, thats the reason why all over Europe, 99% left and joined Gaudiya-matha. The reputation of Prabhupada's movement in the West is completely destroyed. Or, as Naara Narayana pr puts it, stop destroying Prabhupada's movement!
Believe that Krishna is in control, don't lose your faith and destroy what Prabhupada started as global Sankirtan movement. Krishna will correct things, not us, don't play God.