ISKCON GBC chairman HH Bhakti Caitanya Swami recently stated: "So we dont abandon our fallen gurus, we have to lift each other up and not kick when someone is down."
Dear PADA, how is this to be understood? If a spiritual master requires uplifting how is this reconcilable with saksadhari, as good as God?
It is evident that ISKCON has become a collecting basin for all kind of crooks and hanger-on. Some are
a) exploiting facilities for material gain
others are
b) trying to cut ISKCON off from the parampara by watering down Prabhupada's principles of purity.
So there are two kinds of gatecrasher, intruders. Trying to address those with logic and reason is rather like asking bed bugs to move somewhere else?
One devotee says: "The second generation is currently suffering to the extreme from a second abuse. "Do whatever you like and find your own way" is ISKCON motto. But devotional parents have failed to see how these great souls who are naturally inclined to devotional service already "found their way" into a family of devotees. There's an element of unspoken neglect here. Im practically touching on taboo subject matters. But this is my generation of people and for those of us who have joined and not been born in devotional families we can see more clearly what exactly is going on. Albeit not nearly perfect. We're all in this together and I will never abandon the safe boat of ISKCON or service to guru, Srila Prabhupada and Krsna for any reason. Of that Im sure."
"Second wave of abuse", is PADA informed? Ok they rise their kids with homeschooling and later on send them to work as drudge, peon to bring money, make a fast buck. This is still ISKCON of 1979? Why these morons don't learn anything? Do these dull-witted pseudos require police escort? Where is PADA's fire service?
Prabhupada wanted the kulis to get a spiritual education. Otherwise if their material education was perfect for getting a job but not spiritual what is the use? So if the kulis want to have their cake and eat it too what can be done? They want to inherit all the benefits of the movement while getting materially lucrative positions? The benefits of the movement is to serve Krishna. But what about the grand disciples of Srila Prabhupada? They have been abused by the fallen gurus since day one when they joined. There is NEVER any mention about them. They get exploited just as much as anyone else does. In fact, since they have no connections to the Prabhupada disciples like first and second generation devotees they have absolutely nowhere to turn to for shelter when gurus go haywire.
@"Otherwise if their material education was perfect for getting a job but not spiritual what is the use?"
This is of course interlocked. Prabhupada wanted simultaneously, parallel with Gurukula that varnasram projects should be developed. This did not happen at almost all places. They simply use devotees to bring money.
Children should be spiritually trained but if you later on send them to karmi jobs to make a living this is rascaldom and not what Prabhupada wanted.
However, this is exactly what ISKCON became, a Sunday church where people go on Sunday to donate. No farms, no projects, no varnasram. And everybody shouting: keep your children at home because out there they get polluted. No! If you later on have to send your child to karmi job then your child should be prepared. Not that at one point your child feels deprived of education and runs off. This is where child abuse starts.
Children don't know what is the occupational situation at their location. Only when they are grown up they'll find. So it is the duty of the parents to not play lottery and later on your child ends up as bum at Lower East Side. Quote above from this young devotee says exactly that, there is a second wave of child abuse going on. But who cares? For PADA a short laugh?
ISKCON GBC chairman HH Bhakti Caitanya Swami recently stated: "So we dont abandon our fallen gurus, we have to lift each other up and not kick when someone is down."
ReplyDeleteDear PADA, how is this to be understood? If a spiritual master requires uplifting how is this reconcilable with saksadhari, as good as God?
Dear PADA
ReplyDeleteIt is evident that ISKCON has become a collecting basin for all kind of crooks and hanger-on. Some are
a) exploiting facilities for material gain
others are
b) trying to cut ISKCON off from the parampara by watering down Prabhupada's principles of purity.
So there are two kinds of gatecrasher, intruders. Trying to address those with logic and reason is rather like asking bed bugs to move somewhere else?
One devotee says: "The second generation is currently suffering to the extreme from a second abuse. "Do whatever you like and find your own way" is ISKCON motto. But devotional parents have failed to see how these great souls who are naturally inclined to devotional service already "found their way" into a family of devotees. There's an element of unspoken neglect here. Im practically touching on taboo subject matters. But this is my generation of people and for those of us who have joined and not been born in devotional families we can see more clearly what exactly is going on. Albeit not nearly perfect. We're all in this together and I will never abandon the safe boat of ISKCON or service to guru, Srila Prabhupada and Krsna for any reason. Of that Im sure."
"Second wave of abuse", is PADA informed? Ok they rise their kids with homeschooling and later on send them to work as drudge, peon to bring money, make a fast buck. This is still ISKCON of 1979? Why these morons don't learn anything?
Do these dull-witted pseudos require police escort? Where is PADA's fire service?
Prabhupada wanted the kulis to get a spiritual education. Otherwise if their material education was perfect for getting a job but not spiritual what is the use? So if the kulis want to have their cake and eat it too what can be done?
DeleteThey want to inherit all the benefits of the movement while getting materially lucrative positions? The benefits of the movement is to serve Krishna. But what about the grand disciples of Srila Prabhupada? They have been abused by the fallen gurus since day one when they joined. There is NEVER any mention about them. They get exploited just as much as anyone else does. In fact, since they have no connections to the Prabhupada disciples like first and second generation devotees they have absolutely nowhere to turn to for shelter when gurus go haywire.
@"Otherwise if their material education was perfect for getting a job but not spiritual what is the use?"
ReplyDeleteThis is of course interlocked. Prabhupada wanted simultaneously, parallel with Gurukula that varnasram projects should be developed. This did not happen at almost all places. They simply use devotees to bring money.
Children should be spiritually trained but if you later on send them to karmi jobs to make a living this is rascaldom and not what Prabhupada wanted.
However, this is exactly what ISKCON became, a Sunday church where people go on Sunday to donate. No farms, no projects, no varnasram. And everybody shouting: keep your children at home because out there they get polluted. No!
If you later on have to send your child to karmi job then your child should be prepared. Not that at one point your child feels deprived of education and runs off. This is where child abuse starts.
Children don't know what is the occupational situation at their location. Only when they are grown up they'll find. So it is the duty of the parents to not play lottery and later on your child ends up as bum at Lower East Side. Quote above from this young devotee says exactly that, there is a second wave of child abuse going on. But who cares? For PADA a short laugh?