Monday, October 14, 2013

Two Comments / On Giving Sannyasa / On Criticizing The GBC's Gurus



Pada, here Prabhupada is talking about taking sannyasa from a mayavadi sannyasi, specifically about Lord Caitanya's taking sannyasa. Look it up in the Vedabase. What do you mean when you say if someone takes initiation the same time a bogus guru takes it then the first devotee's initiation as sannyasa isn't bonafried? Obviously you don't know stool about it! You owe it to yourself to .... (cuts off here). 

[PADA: I am not sure what your point is? We said that since the GBC is giving sannyasa by the bucket loads since 1977, that means -- they are not following the January 1977 order to suspend sannyasa? Srila Prabhupada said -- its not working, and they should get married. Instead of suspending the sannyasa order -- the GBC went hog wild and they said -- we are going to make 100 more sannyasas and declare they are messiahs and acharyas. 

Srila Prabhupada said in 1977 that they are making a laughing stock out of sannyasa and this is hurting the image of his movement, and so the GBC said, lets do even more damage, lets make the whole acharya platform a laughing stock. Or what? You cannot write long comments, you have to break them up into paragraphs, they get cut off after one paragraph and I never see the ending. Anyway, I'd like to answer your question, but have no idea what it actually is? ys pd]   

*** Dear ********** (PADA supporters): Stop this nonsense right away! You are being cheated by the biggest cheater of them all! Pada simply plots fiendishly how to destroy Srila Prabbhupada's movement. 

[PADA: Here we go again. GBC rhetoric 101 from 1978. Anyone who says deviants are not acharyas is "destroying ISKCON." Don't these people even have enough intelligence to come up with a new line since 1978? As soon as we said Jayatirtha is taking drugs and having illicit sex, thus he is not an acharya, then the GBC's fools said we dissenters are destroying ISKCON. No, worship of illicit sex and drugs is what has destroyed ISKCON. And banning, beating and killing us dissenters has caused a bad image, sorry, has nothing to do with PADA, we simply reported these events.]

*** He takes pleasure in seeing them lose money, temples, devotees, laxmi in his court cases, not building the Vedic temple why? 

[PADA: We are pointing out that worship of illicit sex and drugs causes loss of  money, manpower, and prestige. We are saying that the preaching is being harmed because of these deviations. Srila Prabhupada said the same exact thing. In fact he said exactly what we are saying -- over and over and over -- ad infinitum, that worship of illicit sex and deviants in the Gaudiya Matha caused them to have loss of money, loss of manpower, loss of prestige, and horrible scandals in the media. That is what he said, and we are simply repeating what he said. 

This idiot thinks Srila Prabhupada was taking pleasure in pointing this out? No, he was warning us of the results of worship of bogus people, we are simply repeating what he said. Amazing, we are doing exactly what Srila Prabhuada did, in fact we are quoting him in our position papers regarding the failure of the Gaudiya Matha, and this idiot apparently thinks -- Srila Prabhupada was an offender for criticizing the bogus guru program in his own guru's mission, and thus we are offenders for repeating what he said on this issue?] 

*** Because he lives in a little trailer with no outhouse and spends his time looking at his neighbors cat wishing he too could engage in sex no doubt. 

[PADA: And that is basically what the Gaudiya Matha bogus gurus said about Srila Prabhupada as well, he is poor, he is living like a pauper, he has no money, he has no support, he has an outhouse. That is what the same Gaudiya Matha guru groupies said about Srila Prabhupada after 1936. Wow! That means PADA is in good company, we are giving the same arguments that Srila Prabhupada did, and getting the same back talk that he did. history repeats. Anyway, Sudama Brahmana was also poor, most Vaishnava saints were paupers, Buddha was a pauper, Jesus was a pauper, etc. -- so what?

The Bible says the rich have a hard time entering the kingdom? So this person thinks, you can buy your way into the kingdom? Tower of Babel idea?]    

*** Tell me a person as envious as he has no desire for sex life? 

[PADA: Well here we go again, PADA is full of sex desire, PADA is a heroin addict, PADA is a CIA agent, yep, we've heard it all before -- ever since 1978, been there, done that, blah blah blah. Ummm, you mean since I am not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, therefore, I am not qualified to be an acharya in your system? Not getting your point at all. Maybe you all should look at the sex desires of some of your "good as God" gurus over there before bashing others.] 

*** Give up his association and find someone good to follow. Gramya Katha is banned by Srila Prabhupada, Village Talk or mundane gossip. It is not helpful to your spiritual life at all! 

[PADA: OK so discussing the pastimes of this idiots acharyas is gramya katha? Agreed! Hah hah! Anyway, we had to say something about the bogus gurus of the GBC, because Srila Prabhupada said -- he also had to say something about the bogus gurus in his Gaudiya Matha mission. 

We are simply doing what he did. Srila Prabhupada said, the bogus Gaudiya Matha gurus are causing all the troubles, and then these post-1936 bogus gurus blamed Srila Prabhupada as the trouble maker. This is called -- blaming the messenger. The messenger is simply reporting that the drunken sea captain has put the ship on the rocks and the passengers are drowning, the messenger did not get drunk and drive the ship into the rocks. He simply reported the story. 

Anyway, you are making the identical critical comments that were made when Jesus challenged the Pharisees, when Srila Bhaktisiddhanta challenged the smartas, and when Srila Prabhupada challenged the Gaudiya Matha. Sorry, bogus gurus are bogus, not challenging them is how they were able to cause all the banning, beating, molesting and assassinating in the first place. 

That means your blocking our protest and acquiescing is what caused all these problems in the first place, instead of helping us protest you blocked us to help the evil messiahs, thus -- you caused these problems yourself. We say the same thing Srila Prabhupada says about bogus gurus, if you have a problem with that you have a problem with him, and with Krishna. Krishna is the one who says -- He will cast these false gurus into the lowest regions of the universe. 

Does that mean Krishna is bogus? No, it means that is what He will do, He is going to back us up here, big time. Krishna says your bogus gurus will go to the lowest regions. Is He bogus for criticizing your idiot guru program? We think not. We will stick with Him, and you guys can sort yourselves out. And now some of our idiot critics have run off to support Bhakta das and his Gaudiya Matha and Radhanath swami advocacy, the Gaudiya Matha  --Srila Prabhupada says -- killed guru to become guru. Run with this crowd at your peril. ys pd]  


  1. *** Dear ********** (PADA supporters): Stop this nonsense right away! You are being cheated by the biggest cheater of them all! Pada simply plots fiendishly how to destroy Srila Prabbhupada's movement.

    Stupid Fool, you with your Bogus Gurus has destroyed Srila Prabhupapada His Movement!!!
    Who are you to give us orders not to support PADA Prabhu!!!
    These Bogus Gurus and the Prahlad, Bhakta das, nonsense Group, they are after illicit sex, money and more money. If we give money, we are welcome in the temples and if we don't, they kicked us out!!!
    You are accusing the Prabhupadanugas, especially PADA Prabhu, that he has a longing for illicit sex life, why don't you look to the bogus Gurus, who has big houses, renting cruise ships for their enjoyement. We will never give up his association, PADA Prabhu gave us so much spiritual knowledge, to go on with our spiritual life!!!! And who is the good fellow, can you give his name, that we should follow him?
    If PADA is not right why are you suing him and use Lord Krsna's laxmi for hiring big stupid lawyers, who use the laxmi for their own sense gratification!!! Riding in big mercedes and are welcome like they are kings of the world!!!
    You are the biggest cheaters, you usurp Srila Prabhupada all His laxmi and think that you are pure devotees!!!
    You show us,who has 26th qualities of a pure devotee and we will follow him, but you can't do it!!!
    You stop your nonsense, you are not the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krsna and neither, His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada!!!
    We will stick with Lord Krsna, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, till our death,He is the only one who can lead us to the level of Krsnaconsiousness!!!
    And for your information, we will never leave PADA Prabhu his association, he is the one who opened our eyes, we didn't know what was going on in ITS CON!!!
    We spend all our laxmi to you bogus gurus program!!! But that was not enough for you all!!! Were are the Bogus gurus, when you need them, they don't even remember who their disciples are, and making a database, asking their names!!!
    They never reply our mail, because they are busy with their so-called vyasapuja etc.
    And RNS, he thinks, he can take the position of A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, FORGET IT!!!
    He buried the most sinful child abuser of the history in Vrndavana Dham, who's laxmi he used!!!
    Go on with your cheaters Bogus Gurus program and don't give us orders!!!
    What are you doing about the bogus gurus, who is critizing Srila Prabhupada!!!
    Nothing at all, calling Him a dead person, a Karmi!!!
    He is not dead, Srila Prabhupada is not dead,you stupid fool, you all are living at His cost, printing His books with so many changes!!!
    Get a life, before you accuse someone, that he has a desire for illicit sex!!!

    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bahktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada,the Founder Acarcya of ISKCON.
    All Glories to the followers of PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
    Always Your servant,

  2. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    Please accept my humble obeisances.

    I have a question Prabhu, why did You delete Nandani her comment?
    Her brother in law told her, she was gong to be hurt, and she didn't listen.
    If Nandani Goes, I also go, women are weak Prabhu, it is like her sister in law told her it is a men's world.
    Hare Krsna.
    Wish You all the best with Your website, but it seems that it is only for men.
    LIsten to the one, who is has nothing to do, and send you mail, why did someone hacked her pc and mine?
    He will regret that Prabhu!!!
    That is a promise, she is doing her best, that stupid girl, if she did listen to her brother in law, she won't be hurt now, but she is strong and is trained to ...
    Hare Krsna.
    Please accept my humble obeisances, and she was saying it is the best website, but this is the material world, everything changes, even people change.
    Always Your servant.
    the most fallen soul on this planet!!!

  3. I did not delete her comments. Sometimes when I press "post" it deletes the message. ys pd

  4. Srila Prabhupada lived like a pauper. Now they argue, so does PADA. Do these people think before they write anything? Yes, living like a pauper is what we are supposed to do. Do they also think Rupa Goswami was a poor man? These people worship money, and that is all they have ever done.

  5. *** Srila Prabhupada had one hundred temples, and in each one of them he had at least ten men. And cars. Buildings, men and cars. No he did not exploit them for his own senses but he wasn't white trailer trash either. Rupa Goswami lived under a different tree every night. Prabhupada said if he did that who would come? That is why he established so many different temples. But those who live in trailers want to steal Prabhupada's temples and start their own movement with them.

    [PADA: At least my residence is not being shut down by the city for code violations, nor does it have bed bugs, mice, rats and bad plumbing like some of your temples? Your program has the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as its acharyas, and your program says this is "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON." That makes YOU the cause of all the banning, beating,molesting and assassinating -- for YOUR saying this criminal enterprise is ISKCON. You are enabling and empowering the deviants by saying they are bona fide and they represent the pure teachings of ISKCON. Worse, you are insulting Srila Prabhupada by saying this is following his orders.]

    *** They say Prabhupada's movement is dead.

    [PADA: Again, why do you keep saying that the worship of illicit sex with men women and children as acharyas, is Srila Prabhupada's movement? Srila Prabhupada says worship of illicit sex deviants is worship of dead bodies, and its asara etc, we are repeating what he says.]

    *** They relish the fact that the temple predicted by Lord Nityananda, actually seen in a vision by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, and ordered to be built by Srila Prabhupada isn't going according to THEIR made up schedules, and instead of contributing their mite to the cause they wish it to fail.

    [PADA: The TVOP building has failed because the GBC is spending $20,000,000 on lawyers and not on the building? We never said that we did not want the building constructed, we said they are using money meant for buildings on lawyers, and that is also why there is a problem with temple building having government mandated codes violations, what to speak of sometimes mice, bed bugs, bad plumbing and so on as well. We are asking you -- why you want to keep your lawyers in mansions and Krishna in the ghetto? We never said we delighted in this, we said this is an abominations to spend on lawyers and let the temples deteriorate.]

    *** Well Srila Prabhupada will take notice of their actions. Such devotees haven't done any service for ISKCON in the past 30 years, the only thing they can do is try to bring it down.

    [PADA: Its being brought down by people like you, who are saying illicit sex and various debauchees are Krishna's successors, and that this is ISKCON. You think that is ISKCON, its not, its an abomination to worship illicit sex and deviants as God's successors. And that is why your buildings are having problems, as well as so many other problems you are generating by making false messiahs. You are making these problems, we are reporting, that is the real story here. And you folks are spending $20 million dollars to bring down the worship of the pure devotee and kick out thousands of more devotees, so you can have more temples with code violations, bed bugs, rats and etc. That is what your program has been doing all along, we simply reported on it. Even the people who live in trailer parks and drink beer do not EVER worship illicit sex messiahs, these folks are way more advanced than you will probably ever be. ys pd]

  6. I agree with PADA. Trailer park people know gurus are not pot smokers and party clubbers. This GBC idiot does not come up to the high standard of trailer park people. These GBC guru people need to find a trailer park somewhere in the USA, and accept the people living there as shiksha gurus. Then they might advance. Otherwise there is not chance to advance listening to their GBC clowns leadership. Trailer park people are happy to sing in the church. Satsvarupa says the more he chants the drier it gets. That means the trailer people have some understanding of God, these GBC people have none.

  7. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu. All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas. Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances. Dear PADA Prabhu, please forgive me and my sister, You know I love Your website and I'm addicted to it, because their is no better website on internet. When I go to work PADA Prabhu, I have no time, but I still make time to read Krishna 1008. At work there is so much to do, especially when you have a deadline and not every day is the same, I don't have even time to eat, like last night till this morning, I didn't have breakfast and so on. It is weekend now and some weekends I'm not free to read all the articles,but when my superior tell us to go home we do that and do all the things we have to do it in a short time. What my sister wrote, I'm trained to ..... it is the truth!!! I was hurt and thought You delete my comment. We know who hacked our pc and the team is doing their work.

    [PADA: If something was deleted, I have no idea, just re-send it. ys pd]


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