ANON says: Prabhupada wanted a GBC advisory committee. Prabhupada wanted a GBC. And the GBC wanted the committee. Prabhupada himself would have followed the committee if he wanted to. One time Prabhupada was at an airport and Brahmananda made an announcement that all the devotees had to leave so Srila Prabhupada got up to leave too! Does that mean Brahmananda was greater than the acharya? No you @ss! A guru can choose to follow the orders of his guru just to set an example. Krishna chose a guru. Does that mean his guru was instructing Him, the Supreme Personality of Godhead? No. So any guru can accept teachings from the SAC it doesn't make them any less of a guru it just makes you stupid that you cannot understand things.
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[PADA: OK thats not answering the questions at all? The GBC has penned many position papers over the years, starting actually in 1979, when they began to say acharyas can fall and be engaged in illicit sex and drugs (like Jayatirtha was). So their whole idea since 1978 really is -- establishing that acharyas often fall down into illicit behaviors, since most of their acharyas has subsequently fallen into illicit behaviors. The current GBC / gurus idea is not from shastra, rather shastra says we cannot attack Krishna and His acharyas by saying they are mundane men who are falling, if not they are criminals and debauchees etc.
That means the GBC gurus do not even know what the ten offenses are, i.e. that its an offense to consider that the acharyas are ordinary and fallen men. They do not know that SHASTRA and Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who says acharyas are deviating are residents of of hell "gurusuh narah matih - naraka sah," Srila Prabhupada translates "narakah sah" -- it means he is ALREADY in hell. So the GBC's gurus saying the Lord's successor gurus are falling means, from shastra at least, they are in hell -- already. Why should we listen to people who are already living in hell, according to shastra?
Now lets compare the GBC's gurus and their shastra advisors to the cannibal religion. Srila Prabhupada says that at least in the African natives religions -- they worship parts of the "universal form" of Krishna, such as lightening, a mountain, a lion, something wonderful like that. So they worship some wonderful creation of God, even in the cannibal religion.
Whereas the GBC's spokesman, position paper writer, and main editor "Jayadvaita swami" writes (on behalf of the shastra advisors and ISKCON) that in ISKCON their acharyas are often falling into "illicit sex with men, women and children." That means your shatra advisor's religion worships illicit sex, which is not found in any religion on earth. Is there any shastra in any major religion that tells people to worship illicit sex as their messiahs?
The cannibal witch doctor not only does not worship illicit sex with men women and children, he only worships some nice creation of God. In fact, the witch doctor does not even think of worship of illicit sex with men, women and children even in his wildest nightmares, because the idea is so abominable, so sordid, so odious, so offensive, so totally obnoxious, he does not even think of this idea ever. That is because, the cannibal witch doctor is WAY more advanced than you and your shastra advisors. We have asked this question all along since 1979, in which religion and in which shastra do they promote the worship of illicit sex as their messiahs, like you and your shastra advisors are doing? Your idea is less than the cannibal religion, what to speak of other religions, according to shastra at least.
Sorry, what shastra really says is, anyone who establishes false acharyas is "destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe. Yes, that means you are going to an even lower planet than the cannibal witch doctors, because at least the cannibals worship the divine manifestations of God and not abominable acts which are less than animal behaviors. Shastra says worship of illicit sex is the lowest worship there is, and its going to take one to the lowest regions (Sri Isopanisad). And shastra even says that the people who worship false acharyas (veda vada rata) are better off to have never even heard of the vedas, because they will go much further down than the ordinary mundane man who at least has some sense of pious behaviors. Then again even the witch doctor has more sense than you and your shastra advisors, at least so says shastra. Shastra says you are an abomination, that you were better to never heard of the vedas, thats what shastra says, and unlike you, we believe it.
Srila Prabhupada says worship of parts of of the universal form (as even the cannibals do) is superior to the demons who worship illicit sex, he says that all over his shastra. You are not reading the shastra, that is the problem. ys pd
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[PADA: OK thats not answering the questions at all? The GBC has penned many position papers over the years, starting actually in 1979, when they began to say acharyas can fall and be engaged in illicit sex and drugs (like Jayatirtha was). So their whole idea since 1978 really is -- establishing that acharyas often fall down into illicit behaviors, since most of their acharyas has subsequently fallen into illicit behaviors. The current GBC / gurus idea is not from shastra, rather shastra says we cannot attack Krishna and His acharyas by saying they are mundane men who are falling, if not they are criminals and debauchees etc.
That means the GBC gurus do not even know what the ten offenses are, i.e. that its an offense to consider that the acharyas are ordinary and fallen men. They do not know that SHASTRA and Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who says acharyas are deviating are residents of of hell "gurusuh narah matih - naraka sah," Srila Prabhupada translates "narakah sah" -- it means he is ALREADY in hell. So the GBC's gurus saying the Lord's successor gurus are falling means, from shastra at least, they are in hell -- already. Why should we listen to people who are already living in hell, according to shastra?
Now lets compare the GBC's gurus and their shastra advisors to the cannibal religion. Srila Prabhupada says that at least in the African natives religions -- they worship parts of the "universal form" of Krishna, such as lightening, a mountain, a lion, something wonderful like that. So they worship some wonderful creation of God, even in the cannibal religion.
Whereas the GBC's spokesman, position paper writer, and main editor "Jayadvaita swami" writes (on behalf of the shastra advisors and ISKCON) that in ISKCON their acharyas are often falling into "illicit sex with men, women and children." That means your shatra advisor's religion worships illicit sex, which is not found in any religion on earth. Is there any shastra in any major religion that tells people to worship illicit sex as their messiahs?
The cannibal witch doctor not only does not worship illicit sex with men women and children, he only worships some nice creation of God. In fact, the witch doctor does not even think of worship of illicit sex with men, women and children even in his wildest nightmares, because the idea is so abominable, so sordid, so odious, so offensive, so totally obnoxious, he does not even think of this idea ever. That is because, the cannibal witch doctor is WAY more advanced than you and your shastra advisors. We have asked this question all along since 1979, in which religion and in which shastra do they promote the worship of illicit sex as their messiahs, like you and your shastra advisors are doing? Your idea is less than the cannibal religion, what to speak of other religions, according to shastra at least.
Sorry, what shastra really says is, anyone who establishes false acharyas is "destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe. Yes, that means you are going to an even lower planet than the cannibal witch doctors, because at least the cannibals worship the divine manifestations of God and not abominable acts which are less than animal behaviors. Shastra says worship of illicit sex is the lowest worship there is, and its going to take one to the lowest regions (Sri Isopanisad). And shastra even says that the people who worship false acharyas (veda vada rata) are better off to have never even heard of the vedas, because they will go much further down than the ordinary mundane man who at least has some sense of pious behaviors. Then again even the witch doctor has more sense than you and your shastra advisors, at least so says shastra. Shastra says you are an abomination, that you were better to never heard of the vedas, thats what shastra says, and unlike you, we believe it.
Srila Prabhupada says worship of parts of of the universal form (as even the cannibals do) is superior to the demons who worship illicit sex, he says that all over his shastra. You are not reading the shastra, that is the problem. ys pd
The four Kumaras do not want to get older than children, they are afraid of being attracted to mundane sex. How can anyone expect progress while worshiping illicit sex? This is demoniac. You are right, no religion says they can worship illicit sex and go to back to God like that. These people are fools.
ReplyDelete*** You are the fool anonymous for believing pada. He says no one "worships' sex?
ReplyDelete[PADA: No normal religion does, excuse me for not clarifying.]
*** First of all there is a group from India known as tantrics. They do.
[PADA: Correct, but the tantrics are not bona fide, and people make fun of their illicit behaviors all the time, just like they make fun of the GBC gurus. And Srila Prabhupada says gurus who engage in illicit sex are going to the lowest regions of hell, so its not a very good process.]
*** Secondly there are many other people who do in one way or another. Strippers, prostitutes, escorts, nude models the list goes on.
[PADA: No, we used to drive a Taxi in San Francisco where we drove around strippers, prostitutes, models, escorts and so forth, and many of them wore a pendant of Jesus for protection, since its known they can be in danger. They do not worship sex, its their business, it supports them, they do not worship that?
There were also prostitutes in Dwarka at the time of Krishna who were great devotees. Now you are insulting the poor women who have to work as prostitutes (many of them have children to support) by saying they worship sex, no they worship Jesus, you apparently worship sex, do not speak for them.]
*** They are said to be worshipers in the mode of passion and while they might not think of "worshiping" sex the way you worship Krsna the tantrics do worship sex in that way.
[PADA: The GBC says that their gurus are engaged in illicit sex, and they also say you have to worship their guru or get out, so they are forcing people to worship illicit sex, and they de facto admit that in the documents. Anyway thanks, yes the bogus tantrics are the only example you can come up with. Our point exactly. ys pd]
...Dharmaviruddho bhutesu
ReplyDeleteKamo 'smi bharatarsabha...
Synonims
Dharma-aviruddha--not against religious principles; bhutesu--in all beings; kama--sex life; asmi--I am; bharata-rsabha--O Lord of the Bharatas.
Translation
...I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bharatas (Arjuna)...
Purport
..."Similarly, sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise". B. Gita. 7.11
This is the Supreme Absolute Truth's statement, along with the authorized explanation of His bonafide representative, A.C. Bhakttivedanta Swami and thus, it should be accepted as final by all true vaisnavas. My humble obeisances to all. All glories to HDG Srila Prabhupada! All glories to Sri-Sri Nitai-Gauranga! Hare Krsna!