Abhaya carana seva das :At any moment we can find ourselves in hell especially when we use Krsna consciousness to get a salary.
Mahesh: Prabhus -- All Glories to Srila Prabhupada OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU! Please accept my humble obeisances. Hare Krsna! I am hoping this simple message gets across to the devotees in ISKCON at Bhaktivedanta Manor.
In 1990′s I was distributing/posting to all over the world and more particularly UK temple members and congregation thousands of literatures based on Srila Prabhupada is the CURRENT Diksa Guru and Ritvik system is his order.
Literatures like “The Betrayal” (Puranjana Prabhu's compilation) etc. had a major impact.
So once Kripamoya das phoned me to ask if I was the cause of “disturbance” I just ignored him as I found his attitude arrogant. Then Titiksu das (ex Liverpool Temple President and current Trustee at Bhaktivedanta Manor as mentioned in the Accounts) phoned me he wanted all the papers -- I sent him. In the talk I had with him I mentioned I spoke to the accountant and he told me Akhandadi the ex -- Bhaktivedanta Temple President was taking a salary of £5,000 per WEEK. Plus -- he had a few properties to his name in Ireland.
Kripamoya das has put himself as a self-made guru. Srila Prabhupada NEVER authorized him as Diksa guru. Not only that, he and Amita das were PARTNERS in BBT UK which they transferred to Bhaktivedanta Books Limited (BBL) a PRIVATE OWNED COMPANY.
In the talks I had with Titiksu das at the time in 1990s, he, Titiksu das, told me personally, that he was NOT taking ANY salaries at that time. So what is this in the ACCOUNTS for 2011? “No employee received emoluments of more than £60,000 in the year”
This is an ADMISSION OF SALARIES IN THE REGION OF UPTO £60,000. Defy Srila Prabhupada and you get your RETURNS:
Bg 16.11-12 T The Divine And DEMONIAC Natures
They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. THUS THERE IS NO END TO THEIR ANXIETY. BEING BOUND BY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DESIRES, BY LUST AND ANGER, THEY SECURE MONEY BY ILLEGAL MEANS FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. THUS THERE IS NO END TO THEIR ANXIETY. BEING BOUND BY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF DESIRES, BY LUST AND ANGER, THEY SECURE MONEY BY ILLEGAL MEANS FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
PURPORT
The demoniac accept that the enjoyment of the senses is the ultimate goal of life, and this concept they maintain until death. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN LIFE AFTER DEATH, AND THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ONE TAKES ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF BODIES ACCORDING TO ONE’S KARMA, OR ACTIVITIES IN THIS WORLD. THEIR PLANS FOR LIFE ARE NEVER FINISHED, AND THEY GO ON PREPARING PLAN AFTER PLAN, ALL OF WHICH ARE NEVER FINISHED.
The demoniac accept that the enjoyment of the senses is the ultimate goal of life, and this concept they maintain until death. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN LIFE AFTER DEATH, AND THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ONE TAKES ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF BODIES ACCORDING TO ONE’S KARMA, OR ACTIVITIES IN THIS WORLD. THEIR PLANS FOR LIFE ARE NEVER FINISHED, AND THEY GO ON PREPARING PLAN AFTER PLAN, ALL OF WHICH ARE NEVER FINISHED.
KB 49 Ill-motivated Dhrtarastra
Akrura further advised Dhrtarastra, “In this material world, no one can remain as an eternal companion to another. By chance only we assemble together in the family, in the society, in the community or in the nation, but at the end, because every one of us has to give up the body, we must be separated. One should not, therefore, be unnecessarily affectionate toward family members.” Dhrtarastra’s affection was also unlawful and did not show much intelligence. In plain words, Akrura hinted to Dhrtarastra that his staunch family affection was due to his gross ignorance of fact. Although we appear to be combined together in family, society or nation, each one of us has an individual destiny. Everyone takes birth according to individual past work; therefore everyone has to individually enjoy or suffer the result of his own karma. There is no possibility of improving one’s destiny by cooperative living. SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS THAT ONE’S FATHER ACCUMULATES WEALTH BY ILLEGAL WAYS, AND THE SON TAKES AWAY THE MONEY, ALTHOUGH IT IS HARD-EARNED BY THE FATHER. IT IS JUST LIKE A SMALL FISH IN THE OCEAN WHO EATS THE MATERIAL BODY OF THE LARGE, OLD FISH. ONE ULTIMATELY CANNOT ACCUMULATE WEALTH ILLEGALLY FOR THE GRATIFICATION OF HIS FAMILY, SOCIETY, COMMUNITY OR NATION. THAT MANY GREAT EMPIRES WHICH DEVELOPED IN THE PAST ARE NO LONGER EXISTING BECAUSE THEIR WEALTH WAS SQUANDERED AWAY BY LATER DESCENDANTS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THIS PRINCIPLE. ONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS SUBTLE LAW OF FRUITIVE ACTIVITIES AND THUS GIVES UP THE MORAL AND ETHICAL PRINCIPLES ONLY CARRIES WITH HIM THE REACTIONS OF HIS SINFUL ACTIVITIES. HIS ILL-GOTTEN WEALTH AND POSSESSIONS ARE TAKEN BY SOMEONE ELSE, AND HE GOES TO THE DARKEST REGION OF HELLISH LIFE. One should not, therefore, accumulate more wealth than is allotted to him by destiny; otherwise he will be factually blind to his own interest. Instead of fulfilling his self-interest, he will act in just the opposite way for his own downfall.
Akrura further advised Dhrtarastra, “In this material world, no one can remain as an eternal companion to another. By chance only we assemble together in the family, in the society, in the community or in the nation, but at the end, because every one of us has to give up the body, we must be separated. One should not, therefore, be unnecessarily affectionate toward family members.” Dhrtarastra’s affection was also unlawful and did not show much intelligence. In plain words, Akrura hinted to Dhrtarastra that his staunch family affection was due to his gross ignorance of fact. Although we appear to be combined together in family, society or nation, each one of us has an individual destiny. Everyone takes birth according to individual past work; therefore everyone has to individually enjoy or suffer the result of his own karma. There is no possibility of improving one’s destiny by cooperative living. SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS THAT ONE’S FATHER ACCUMULATES WEALTH BY ILLEGAL WAYS, AND THE SON TAKES AWAY THE MONEY, ALTHOUGH IT IS HARD-EARNED BY THE FATHER. IT IS JUST LIKE A SMALL FISH IN THE OCEAN WHO EATS THE MATERIAL BODY OF THE LARGE, OLD FISH. ONE ULTIMATELY CANNOT ACCUMULATE WEALTH ILLEGALLY FOR THE GRATIFICATION OF HIS FAMILY, SOCIETY, COMMUNITY OR NATION. THAT MANY GREAT EMPIRES WHICH DEVELOPED IN THE PAST ARE NO LONGER EXISTING BECAUSE THEIR WEALTH WAS SQUANDERED AWAY BY LATER DESCENDANTS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THIS PRINCIPLE. ONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS SUBTLE LAW OF FRUITIVE ACTIVITIES AND THUS GIVES UP THE MORAL AND ETHICAL PRINCIPLES ONLY CARRIES WITH HIM THE REACTIONS OF HIS SINFUL ACTIVITIES. HIS ILL-GOTTEN WEALTH AND POSSESSIONS ARE TAKEN BY SOMEONE ELSE, AND HE GOES TO THE DARKEST REGION OF HELLISH LIFE. One should not, therefore, accumulate more wealth than is allotted to him by destiny; otherwise he will be factually blind to his own interest. Instead of fulfilling his self-interest, he will act in just the opposite way for his own downfall.
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ei ksudra drsti laye asurera gan
atma-tattva-jnanahin alpa-buddhi han
ugra-karme utsaha tar jagata ahita
ksaya-karye patu tara hay prabhavita
ei ksudra drsti laye asurera gan
atma-tattva-jnanahin alpa-buddhi han
ugra-karme utsaha tar jagata ahita
ksaya-karye patu tara hay prabhavita
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Text 9: Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, ENGAGE IN UNBENEFICIAL, HORRIBLE WORKS MEANT TO DESTROY THE WORLD.
Text 9: Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, ENGAGE IN UNBENEFICIAL, HORRIBLE WORKS MEANT TO DESTROY THE WORLD.
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duspura asraya kama dambha madanvita
mohagrasta asadagraha asuci-vrata
duspura asraya kama dambha madanvita
mohagrasta asadagraha asuci-vrata
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Text 10: The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, ATTRACTED BY THE IMPERMANENT.
Text 10: The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, ATTRACTED BY THE IMPERMANENT.
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apareya cinta tar yatadina bnace
kama-matra upabhog hrdayete ache
sata sata asa-pas sudhu kam krodha
kama-bhoga lagi artha anya se virodha
anyaya se kare nitya sancayete
citta tar nitya viddha asata karyete
apareya cinta tar yatadina bnace
kama-matra upabhog hrdayete ache
sata sata asa-pas sudhu kam krodha
kama-bhoga lagi artha anya se virodha
anyaya se kare nitya sancayete
citta tar nitya viddha asata karyete
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Texts 11-12: They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, BY LUST AND ANGER, THEY SECURE MONEY BY ILLEGAL MEANS FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Texts 11-12: They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, BY LUST AND ANGER, THEY SECURE MONEY BY ILLEGAL MEANS FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
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adya ei artha-labh mano-ratha siddhi
punarbar bhavisyate habe artha vrddhi
se satru marila anya niscaya mariba
ami se isvara dhani se karya sadhiva
ami bhogi siddha ar balabana sukhi
mama sama keha nahe ar saba duhkhi
ami abhijanavan ami dhana-adhya
amara samana habe kar kiva sadhya
ami se kariba yajna ami dan diba
stri-sanga kariya ami ananda paiba
ajnana mohita haye kata katha bale
mohajala samavrta kalera kavale
asalete kamasakta narakera yatri
asuci narake bas naraka vidhatr
adya ei artha-labh mano-ratha siddhi
punarbar bhavisyate habe artha vrddhi
se satru marila anya niscaya mariba
ami se isvara dhani se karya sadhiva
ami bhogi siddha ar balabana sukhi
mama sama keha nahe ar saba duhkhi
ami abhijanavan ami dhana-adhya
amara samana habe kar kiva sadhya
ami se kariba yajna ami dan diba
stri-sanga kariya ami ananda paiba
ajnana mohita haye kata katha bale
mohajala samavrta kalera kavale
asalete kamasakta narakera yatri
asuci narake bas naraka vidhatr
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Texts 13-16: The demoniac person thinks: “SO MUCH WEALTH DO I HAVE TODAY, AND I WILL GAIN MORE ACCORDING TO MY SCHEMES. SO MUCH IS MINE NOW, AND IT WILL INCREASE IN THE FUTURE, MORE AND MORE. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.” In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance. Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and FALLS DOWN INTO HELL.
Texts 13-16: The demoniac person thinks: “SO MUCH WEALTH DO I HAVE TODAY, AND I WILL GAIN MORE ACCORDING TO MY SCHEMES. SO MUCH IS MINE NOW, AND IT WILL INCREASE IN THE FUTURE, MORE AND MORE. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.” In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance. Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and FALLS DOWN INTO HELL.
We Prabhupadanugas simple HUMBLE REQUEST is that you folks you are so much after your BIG BIG SALARIES try and come to some conclusion by
1) ACCEPTING SRILA PRABHUPADA AS OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU (accept the BONAFIDE Ritvik System).
2) ONLY distribute Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged ORIGINAL books.
2) ONLY distribute Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged ORIGINAL books.
or else, as Srila Prabhupada states: “Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and FALLS DOWN INTO HELL.”
This is not something to be taken lightly -- IT WILL HAPPEN!
Ps. the Cow shed which was built there at £ 2.8 MILLION -- some business folks who donate to the temple went and gave me a report that it is NOT worth even £400,000 the materials used do not add-up. Floor of cement is not for the cows benefit either.
Hoping that our HUMBLE REQUEST will appeal to you prabhus -- and you respond favourably. It is still not too late. We are all now approaching in our 50′s and 60′s -- then we ALL have to go.
We CAN forgive the past IF YOU folks help to RESTORE Srila Prabhupada as CURRENT DIKSA GURU and ONLY distribute ORIGINAL UNCHANGED Srila Prabhupada’s books.
Often excuses are given “Ritviks” are this this this etc BUT we are PRACTICAL if you respond FAVOURABLY we DO co-operate.
Insofar as salaries are concerned -- there can be a set PRACTICAL OPENLY AGREED timing IN THE SOCIETY to help you folks to GRADUALLY sort your self out. Where is the problem?
Come back to Srila Prabhupada prabhus!
Come back to Srila Prabhupada prabhus!
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
Thanks prabhu, yes Mahesh Raja started distributing PADA papers way before there was an internet. He would photocopy and mail them all over the UK, at his expense. He did a fantastic job, and even today we get a lot of "hits" on our web sites from UK because Mahesh got people interested in these topics over there and this has continued to the present time. In other words, Mahesh is the original Prabhupadanuga over in UK. Many others have tried to take over that title in UK, but its clear that Mahesh is the person who will get the credit for that from Krishna, and that is the only credit that counts in the end. Yes, this was the foundation of the Prabhupadanugas UK operation, myself writing and Mahesh distributing. ys pd
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile UK ISKCON guru says, I'm an elephant
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Hare Krsna Mahesh Raja Prabhu and PADA Prabhu.
ReplyDeleteAll glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances.
Dear Prabhu's, I also hope Yours and PADA Prabhu's HUMBLE REQUEST will appeal, to all devotees and Restore Srila Prabhupada as CURRENT DIKSA GURU and ONly distribute Original Unchanged Srila Prabhupada's Books.
This is the only solution, and I wish that Lords Krsna and Srila Prabhupada will fulfill this wish.
Thank You also Prabhu's for reminding us, that sooner or later we all have to go.
And it is never to late.
Hare Krsna.
All Glories to His Divine Grace. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances.
Always Your servant,
dasianudasi
Thanks prabhu, Yes in the early stages no one else was writing any counter documents to oppose the GBC guru regime. PADA editor was writing "Our Living Guru" first of all, and later Sulochana left New Vrndavana and he joined with us and he was writing "The Guru Business," and we were both associated together in Berkeley around 1984.
ReplyDeleteThere was no one else writing at that time -- that we knew of at least. Later on others began writing with us especially after 1986, like Rupa Vilas, Karnamrta, Yasodananda, Nityananda, and a few others, and after we wrote together for some time, then Krishna Kanta started reading our materials and using our citations and quotes, perhaps by around 1990 or so.
Yes, no one else was writing in the early days, for whatever reason, most probably, they feared the regime. Good question, why did almost everyone else criticize PADA's writing, when they were not writing and saying anything, and they were basically doing -- nothing at all?
And they also criticized Sulochana's writings the same way as ours. Perhaps this is called "sour grapes" they were apparently just angry that anyone did anything. Yep. Its a great question, why did so many oppose us, and meanwhile they did nothing -- and unfortunately, that question really has no good answer. Of course people still oppose us, perhaps they just never understood that opposing a pack of debauchees posing as acharyas is the duty of a Vaishnava. ys pd
Here's why no one opposed the gurus in the beginning. Fear of reprisals is one reason. And not wanting newer devotees to bloop is another. Why would a newer devotee join if they knew their guru was fallen?
DeleteI wrote plenty I'll tell you that just as soon as I figured out what the problems were with various situations and gurus in the temple. But what could I do living there? I still worry about reprisals for what I am doing to this day. But it is only fair the new devotees who want to know what is going on are allowed to do so. They should be told everything in fact, so that the history of the cheating gurus does not repeat itself eternally in ISCKON.