Sunday, October 20, 2013

UK ISKCON Leaders Huge Salary! (from Mahesh Raja prabhu)

PADA: This is one of the reasons many current ISKCON leaders have "remained faithful" to the GBC guru project, they are being paid a salary, and in some cases a huge salary. An "ISKCON employee" in Los Angeles once told us, "You Prabhupadanugas have the right idea, but right now I am getting my salary from the GBC gurus, if you give me the same salary, then I will work for your idea." 

That means there is no actual siddhanta, or even in some cases -- basic morality -- being considered, because its "all about the money." Sulochana used to say the same thing, the real reason people are opposing us is "society, friendship (false) love, and -- their salary." 

In other words some people are getting paid, so they support the bogus gurus, whereas people like Mukunda / Prahlad UK support the Bhakta das / Radhanath swami program because, according to Sulochana, they gets a (false) sense of society, friendship and love from those folks. Sulochana said, these people having such attachments to society, friendship, false love and -- salary, are the ones enabling and empowering these false gurus. And thus we are having a hard time trying to challenge the worship of deviants and criminals in ISKCON. In other words, its something like the Mafia, they pay their subservients to "go along to get along." 

We hope all these folks will finally start taking Mahesh's advice and look into deteriorating effects of the salaries of their heros. No wonder so many these second echelon GBC leaders have supported the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as ISKCON's messiahs, there is no moral compass -- because they are being paid to support that agenda. 

And then we have the GBC / Bhakta das / Prahlad / Swarup etc. program coming along and saying, no one should expose these things, its bad publicity. No one should expose what Srila Prabhupada says about the corrupting influence of salaries in ISKCON? That helps keep the problems going on ad infinitum. In other words, they want to suppress what Srila Prabhupada says to keep their bogus guru lover's false society going on.

The people who are getting a salary simply cannot speak up and oppose anything, because then their salary will be cut off. So this has lead to a general overall sense of corruption, and worse -- in many cases the total corruption of some of these people, with their policy of "turning a blind eye" "over-looking" or "covering up" banning, beating, molesting and even assassinations. 

Srila Prabhupada is right, the salary process will create a contaminated environment. Why else would people support the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as acharyas, unless they were getting paid to do that? No normal and sane man would support that, but he might -- if he could get paid enough to do so. 

"Sold his soul to the devil. For money"

A CBS news lady once showed us her filmed footage of so many of the big GBC leaders who were chanting "Jaya Bhaktipada" at New Vrndavan, when Kirtanananda was covered with the hands of 50 boys. She said this is molester heaven. Could these leaders not see that Kirtanananda is not a pure devotee? Well yes they could, but they could not speak up or they would lose their salary, position, and so on. How did you guess, as soon as we said there is a problem with the abused youth of ISKCON, everyone of our critics started saying, but prabhu, this is going to COST us MONEY. Our life is based on the dollar sign? OK fine. Can you take it with you at the time of death? 

Mukunda Swami's secretary told us that Mukunda was getting all kinds of complaint letters from all over the world about corruption and exploitation, and he would never respond. He told her "I have a career to consider." He could no speak up because, he was compromised for money, position, and so on.  So all the troubles have to be over looked, so these leaders can continue to get their salary. Anyway, Srila Prabhupada warned us about all this, as we see in the quotes herein. All glories to Mahesh prabhu for researching this so nicely! The good news is, more people are accepting our idea -- that this is corrupt.

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[PADA NOTE: Thanks for your question prabhu, yes Bhakta das supports Bhakti Ballabha Tirtha, the disciple of Madhava maharaja. Madhava Maharaja insulted Srila Prabhupada as we discuss here:

So yes, the Bhakta das / Prahlad group now supports the people who insulted and harassed Srila Prabhupada. And yes, the problem they had was that the Gaudiya Matha bogus gurus were MAKING MONEY by exploiting the assets of the Gaudiya Matha. Yes, same disease. And some of our ISKCON people are supporting the usurpers from 1936. Correct. Incidently Bhakta das now supports the bogus JIVA TATTVA of the Gaudiya Matha, which defies Srila Prabhupda's tattva. ys pd]  


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Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette -- April 28, 1977, Bombay 

Prabhupada: Niskincanasya. One who has decided that "This world is useless. I have to take birth repeatedly and accept different types of bodies and suffer." Body means... Those who have understood this fact and disgusted, so bhakti line is for them. One who has the tendency to enjoy this material world, and they are taking advantage of God, "Give me good wife, give me good work, good meal, good enjoyment," they are not in the bhakti line. They are in the very nascent stage. 

Tamala Krsna: Nescient stage? 

Prabhupada: Lower stage. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yogam. That... There is one verse written by Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. What page I don't... Siksartham. The bhakti-yoga, nija-bhakti-yoga... Bhakti-yoga means devotion to Krsna. And that is vairagya-vidya, how to learn, renounce this world. Otherwise why Caitanya Mahaprabhu gave up His grhastha life? He's the same person. Why Rupa Gosvami gave up their ministership? By their personal behavior they are showing this is not required. This is vairagya-vidya. So under the circumstances, those who have no vairagya, they cannot live in the temple. They are taking advantage of the temple facilities for their sense enjoyment. Do you understand? 

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I do. 

Prabhupada: So that should be stopped. So to live with wife, together as a grhastha, and enjoy grhastha life, at the same time to live in temple, this should be discouraged. Temple is meant for brahmacari and sannyasi, our, mainly, not for grhastha, because they have got inclination to enjoy. To live with wife means enjoyment. They'll have sex. This should be discouraged. But one who is absolutely required, they also cannot be allowed to live together. It is badly done(?). Suppose if one is grhastha, he is in devotional service, but he has no money to look after his wife. In that case the wife can live in the temple but separately with women, not together. Together living is very disturbing. It is not at all recommended. Give this point. At least, this should not be encouraged. 

Tamala Krsna: Generally in our temples, within the temple building no grhasthas live together, but in the temple compound, that is to say, around the temple, there may be other buildings. There they live together. But it's... 

Prabhupada: No, I am speaking, within the temple. 

Tamala Krsna: I think practically all over the society that has been stopped, the grhastha living together with wife. I don't think there's any case like that. But in the adjoining buildings they might be... 

Prabhupada: Adjoining buildings... But the temple should not provide them with salary to enjoy their life. That is same thing. 

Tamala Krsna: Generally the temples are providing them with apartments, like that. 

Prabhupada: But that is temple. 

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. Prabhupada: Just like we have got so many tenants. They are living in their own. But they have no connection with the temple, neither the temple is paying them or... No, they are earning their own way. 

Tamala Krsna: In other words, if the temple provides an apartment, it's the same as paying a salary. 

Prabhupada: Hm? 

Tamala Krsna: In other words, giving an apartment is the same thing as providing a salary. 

Prabhupada: All right, apartment can be... But what is this? They are given high salary. Because his service is essential--"All right, you take apartment." 

Tamala Krsna: But not... 

Prabhupada: You take prasadam. But why salary? Where is the question of salary? Where is vairagya, renouncement? So in all circumstances the salary process should be stopped. One who wants salary, he can work outside. 

Tamala Krsna: Actually, even if you don't give a salary, if you give an apartment and you give food and you give all these other things for someone to maintain his household life... 

Prabhupada: Because his service is essential. 

Tamala Krsna: But that has to be determined very strictly. 

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Whether his service is absolutely required? So you give him. 

Tamala Krsna: That is the factor. That point must be clearly acknowledged. 

Prabhupada: Hm hm. So he's trying to practice... Because sevonmukhe, if he gives service, then gradually he'll renounce. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. God realization means service. The more you give service to the Lord, the more you become advanced in devotional... So one who is giving service, dedicated life, so maybe... But no salary. They may live in the temple, woman separate, man separate. 

Tamala Krsna: They're... But the actual thing is that they're being, living together in an apartment, and the temple is paying for that apartment. They're not living separately in the temple. 
They're being... 

Prabhupada: That is to be discouraged. What do you think? 

Giriraja: I agree. 

Prabhupada: In Los Angeles it is very freely going on. In the name of Vaisnavism they are drawing salary, living comfortably, having sense enjoyment. This is not good, not at all. So you all high officers, you think over it and do the needful. 

Tamala Krsna: Vairagya should be cultivated. 

Prabhupada: Vairagya... Caitanya Mahaprabhu says clearly that niskincanasya bhagavad-bhajanon mukhasya. The bhagavad-bhajana, to become devotee of the Lord, means he's disgusted with this material world. For him, bhagavad-bhajana. Just like if I become disgusted with something, I require some change, similarly, bhagavad-bhajana is for him who is absolutely disgusted with this material world. 

And anyone who has got little interest in material enjoyment, he's not fit for bhagavad-bhajana. He'll have to accept again this material body, either he becomes Brahma or becomes an ant in the stool, according to his karma. Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapattaye. He'll have to develop certain type of body according to his desire of enjoyment. This is nature's law. Then where is the question of going back to home, back to Godhead? Why so many varieties of life? There is Brahma, and there is ant in the stool. 

So vairagya-vidya-nija... Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu vairagyam. And vairagyam means jnanam ca. When one is in full knowledge that "To remain in this material world is useless for me"--jnanam--"I am simply wasting my time by repetition of birth and death," then he can have vairagya. "Stop this!" If this sense is not awakened, there is no bhakti. It is not so easy. 

Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. That is vairagya. So vairagya-vidya... Otherwise why big, big persons, they renounced everything? Bharata Maharaja, young man, the emperor of the whole world, gave up everything. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally teaches, young man, good, beautiful wife, young wife, so affectionate mother, so much honor in the society, Nimai Pandita, so beautiful body... Tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim. Surepsita. Caitanya Mahaprabhu's position was, even the demigods, they desired such family life. But He still gave up. 

That is teaching. Therefore Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya says, vairagya-vidya-nija-bhak..., siksartham: "to teach others." He understood that in order to teach others vairagya-vidya... He is the Supreme Person. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yoga-siksartham ekah purana-purusah: "That He was, Supreme Lord. Now He has appeared as Sri Krsna Caitanya."Sarira-dhari: "He has accepted one body as Sri Krsna Caitanya." So these things should be stopped, that they should live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and take salary from the... You decide. This is not to our... Besides that, in our BBT it is clearly written that "Fifty percent for printing book, and fifty percent for..." So you cannot violate this. Those who can give voluntary service, "Welcome." Otherwise we don't require. At least they should not be given any salary. That is very bad. This is against principle. 

Tamala Krsna: I was reading the life sketch of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He always maintained a government service job, and still... 

Prabhupada: He gave so much service to Krsna. From his family maintenance... He could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So he... Markata-vairagya. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was against giving sannyasa. He didn't like these babajis. They were markata-vairagya, superficially... Markata-vairagya means monkey. They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle. That is vairagya. But three dozen wives. Markata-vairagya. Markata means monkey. Superficially vairagya, naga-baba. They eat vegetables, fruits, live in the jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairagya. But sex. We have... I have seen in Vrndavana. They have got a party, each monkey, women's party, and the male will come to any female, "Now ready," "Enter." You can see it. Markata-vairagya nahi paraloka dasaya(?).So this should not be encouraged. Then gradually it will deteriorate into... 

Tamala Krsna: The Christians had that happen to them. 

Prabhupada: Hm? 

Tamala Krsna: The Christian religion had that deterioration. Everything deteriorated more and more into sense gratification. 

Prabhupada: Because they have no valid philosophy. It is simply official. They have nothing, no knowledge, no nothing, simply that dress and cloth. That's all. 

Tamala Krsna: Just like the original... When Jesus was there and he had twelve disciples, they simply gave up everything and traveled with him and tried to preach. So they were renunciates, living simply whatever they could take, nothing more, and devoting their lives to God. But the followers later on, more and more they added the degree of sense gratification, till now you can't see any renunciation at all within their order. 

Prabhupada: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense. 

Giriraja: Actually their leader... 

Prabhupada: And they are concluding that they cannot stop committing sins and Jesus Christ will take account for them. Therefore it is very good religion, that "We can do whatever nonsense we like, and if we keep our faith in Jesus Christ, then we are saved." Papa-buddhih, namno balad papa-buddhih. Great offenders. So what news? 

Giriraja: Well, the reason I came up is I'm going to try to phone Mr. Rajda now. 

Prabhupada: Hm? 

Giriraja: Going to try to phone Mr. Rajda. And considering that the Prime Minister may not have that much time... We had discussed that he should come here to meet you, but suppose if we fix up, say, a minimum time if he can't come here, say at least a half hour undisturbed, something like that, is it possible to fix in the city or we should just insist that... 

Prabhupada: Hm? 

Tamala Krsna: He's suggesting that if the Prime Minister can't give that much time, whether you would go to see him? Actually, if you give the idea that Prabhupada wants to see him in the morning hours... 

Giriraja: Yeah, I'm going to. 

Tamala Krsna: I mean, if he says that that's not possible... 

Prabhupada: That is not respectful. 

Giriraja: No. 

Tamala Krsna: Not at all respectful. 

Prabhupada: Then he does not know how to honor a saintly person. It is useless to meet him. If he has no respect for saintly person, if he thinks greater than saintly person, then he's useless. 

Tamala Krsna: Then nothing will come of it, anyway. And if we give this opportunity, that he come in the morning, if he... 

Prabhupada: No, no, apart from that, if he has got that sense, that "I am very big man, so everyone should come here," he's useless. We cannot do anything with him. 

Giriraja: That's what I thought. 

Prabhupada: Very beginning is... 

Giriraja: On the wrong foot. 

Tamala Krsna: No, he has to come to see you, 

Srila Prabhupada. Oh, there's so many examples in the sastra of great personalities. Even Caitanya Mahaprabhu refused to see, what to speak of going there. 

Giriraja: I agree with you. 

Prabhupada: Even big, big kings, Akbar, Mansingh, they used to, used to come to Rupa Gosvami. Giriraja: No, I agree with you completely. 

Prabhupada: Did... He demanded like that? 

Giriraja: No. When I spoke to Mr. Rajda I said that the Prime Minister should come here, and Mr. Rajda agreed. But just now, when I... I just spoke to Gopala. I was on my way to make the call. So he said that I should just ask you about this. 

Prabhupada: Hm? 

Giriraja: I was just going to phone, and I mentioned to Gopala Krsna Prabhu that I was going to make this call. So I said that, you know, the Prime Minister was going to be coming here, so he... And I said that I also, in the call I wanted to make that very clear so there was no mistake. And he said that, well, he might be too busy to come here and that he... 

Prabhupada: Gopala said. 

Giriraja: Yeah. So I thought it would be better just to... 

Prabhupada: No, there is no question of. 

Giriraja: Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, you're millions and billions of times greater than anyone, so there's no question... 

Prabhupada: No, apart from that, if one has no proper respect for a saintly person, he's useless man. You cannot have any benefit. Or neither he can derive any benefit. 

Giriraja: Yeah. 

Tamala Krsna: From all sides. 

Giriraja: Because he'll think he has nothing to learn, that he is already in the best position. 

Prabhupada: And we don't require any from, anything from them, but for the whole human society's welfare we can suggest him, "Do like this." That is our... But we don't require anything from them. 

Giriraja: I know that. This is your... 

Prabhupada: Of course, sometimes we are in difficulty. We ask them something. 

Tamala Krsna: But that's their duty, anyway. Ksatriyas should provide protection for the saintly person. Giriraja: Anyway, our real protector is Krsna. 

Prabhupada: Yes. 

Giriraja: He has... Because we've seen so many difficulties. Nobody could see any solution, but... 

Prabhupada: That one Caitanya Mahaprabhu's devotee was ordered to be hanged. 

Giriraja: I didn't know that. 

Prabhupada: Gopinatha Pattanayaka. 

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. 

Prabhupada: All the devotees approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu, thinking that "He must... The king will excuse him." He never agreed. "Oh, I cannot do that. If he has done something wrong, then let him..." Of course, he was saved and protected by Caitanya Mahaprabhu's good wish, but He never agreed. These are some of the examples that... Simply depend on Krsna. But if they are actually respectful, we can ask them. There is... But if it is difficult job... Visayinam sandarsanam atha yosit... We cannot keep so strictly, but these are the principles taught by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Giriraja: So that principle about living together and salary... That is... 

Giriraja: That is meant to apply everywhere in the society. 

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. This is exploitation of the society. 

Giriraja: I know. Since I've been preaching more, I've been able to see how much labor and endeavor is going in just to maintain so many idle people. I know you've been saying this for a long time, and now, you know, I feel the strength to actually change that, that only those who are really sincere workers can stay. 

Prabhupada: Otherwise no need. We need their service, but not by being salaried. That is not good. (end) 

JSD 6.5 Slaughterhouse Civilization Srila Prabhupada: No, they are not brahmanas. Those who give education in exchange for money--they are not brahmanas. For instance, we are lecturing, educating people. We don't say, "Give us a salary." We simply ask them, "Please come." That is why we are cooking food and holding so many free festivals. "We'll give you food. 

We'll give you a comfortable seat. Please come and hear about self-realization and God consciousness." We are not asking money--"First of all pay the fee; then you can come and learn Bhagavad-gita." We never say that. But these so-called teachers who first of all bargain for a salary--"What salary will you give me?"--that is a dog's concern. That is not a brahmana's concern. A brahmana will never ask about a salary. A brahmana is eager to see that people are educated. "Take free education and be educated; be a human being"--this is a brahmana's concern: You see? I came here not to ask for any money but to give instruction. 

 75-01-12. Letter: Kirtiraja Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated Dec. 31, 1974 and have noted the contents. Any householder devotee who is working full-time (with his wife) as a sankirtana book distributer, of temple managerial duties, artist, cook, etc. shall be provided food, shelter, and other bare minimum necessities by the temple itself. They should not cook their own meals separate from the temple meals. 

If they have children, then some minimal allowance may be given according to the number of children. If they want anything extra or over and above what the temple president sees as absolute necessity, then they should work outside--the temple cannot pay for anything beyond the bare necessities. And definitely, the BBT cannot pay any salary to anybody. Our philosophy is "simple living and high thinking"--not sense gratification. The temple presidents and leaders (elder students) must show this by example. Temple or asrama means for renunciation and renounced persons. If one is engaged in self-realization process, then his material necessities become almost nil. Persons who do not like this can work outside. 

75-07-16.Par Letter: Paramahamsa: Regarding the restaurant, why they should get salary? There should be no salary. 


  1. Hare Krsna Pada Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
    Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances.

    Dear PADA Prabhu, in Radhadesh, they all are getting paid salaries and if You see the appartment they built for their self, it is like a 5 star hotel.
    And they are always going to vrndavana and Mayapura, and they cheat the goverment asking them a social security check.
    And they call themselves devotees, fooling themself. Prasadam is not free, you get a little and pay so much euro's. I can use the euro's for buying Bhoga and flowers for the whole week for Lord Krsna.
    Hare Krsna.
    Please accept my fallen and humble obeisances.
    Always Your servant,

  2. Now we know why there is no money to take care of devotees. A few people make a killing and the main group of devotees gets nothing but bread crumbs. And they are followers of the bhoghi gurus. These gurus give people a salary and that makes them worship the guru, they are paid to worship these gurus.

    This is the reason no one cares if these gurus are bona fide or foolish, the followers only care about getting salary and money. And they blame PADA for this? Silly! No this is corrupt, its not what Prabhupada said he wanted.

    They are making this problem, paying fools to worship fools, this is their doing and not anyone else. They are blaming others, as a smoke screen. They are getting over 1 million UK pounds salary, thats stealing from Krishna.

    How does PADA cause this? No, they are doing this because they are cheaters. But Lord Krishna says He will take care of these cheaters in their next life. And people say, do not complain, because they worship them too, birds of a feather. This is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted, and thats for sure.

  3. It is a business, it was always a business as soon as you take Gaudiya Vaishnavism outside of a home / village environment into an Institution it becomes a business. It happend to the Gaudiya Math. Build a big institution with many temples, millions of dollars flowing like water and lots of big positions for those with the big egos, the chance for people to worship you and presto what do you get? A new spiritual order? Really? Water always finds its lowest resting point, and the nature of man above all things lusts for power, of which an Iskcon guru has plenty along with wealth. Should we really be so surprised it turned out this way?

    [PADA: So your point is, we should not do anything? Sorry, the Prabhupadanugas are building another network and its at least doing some preaching about Krishna. Your idea, do not bother unless you are in a village, its not helping anyone.

    We already have many nice devotees all over the world who are preaching and they simply cannot give up what they are doing now and move to a village in India? Are you saying they need to stop because they are not living in a village in India? We have no idea what your point is?

    We are getting more people to worship Krishna and Prabhupada all over the world, but we do not have any big gurus in our program. At least we have a program. You are basically saying do not bother preaching, ok, well we are going to keep doing that because its working, people are coming to our idea.

    People are not coming to your idea, because they are not going to leave their current life to move to a village in India, that is never going to happen. Your idea has no practical application. Lord Chaitanya said stiti stani, stay where you are and worship Krishna. We are not telling people to move away from their homes and go live in a village, its not practical for them at all. We are saying worship Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, and at least we have some customers. No one is buying your idea, they are never going to move to a village in India, its a pipe dream. ys pd

  4. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.

    Dear PADA Prabhu, I totally agree with You, preaching must go on.
    Worship of Lord Krsna, and Srila Prbhupada is our ultimate goal in life.
    And that go on till our last breath.
    Why should we leave our home, we can make our home a temple.
    Your are right PADA Prabhu, I don't want to live in a village.

    Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances.
    Hare Krsna.
    Always Your servant,

  5. Thanks Mike, I know, you went back to the Christians, who think the end is near and Jesus is going to scoop them up and take them to back heaven next week. Really?

    Mike, devotees are never going to agree with your Christian program that animals have no souls, so we can kill them left, right and center, torturing and killing millions of them every week. Yes, many devotees of Krishna are messed up, ok maybe so, but they are never going to join you in your mass murder of animals program, its just dreaming in color.

    The devotees are never going to join you, its just not ever going to happen. And if you are back to living in your mother's garage, then it seems you have gone back to your mommy, we are not going to do that either. You need to show people a better idea, simply complaining about others is not going to change anything.

    The reason we have had at least some success is, we said we cannot worship the bogus guru program, so follow a bona fide guru. We had something else for people to do, you have nothing better to offer. You never tell us what better program we could follow, which is the same trouble we have with the GBC gurus, they say our idea is bogus, but they have no better idea.

    If you have the proper path to God, then show us what it is, but if its full of the bloody bodies of dead animals, we are not going to join you on that path, and its amazing you would think we are. Apart from that many Christians are dying every minute because of their animal killing program. Our neighbor is only 52 and he now has less than six months to live, yours is not the healthy path, and you are very foolish for trying to get us on that path. This will never happen. Show us the real way, and we would be glad to see that. Saying our way is bogus, that is what the GBC does every day, but they have nothing better. You are exactly like them. ys pd

  6. Mike is a fool if he thinks Hare Krishnas, even bad ones, will eat cows. That is not going to happen. I just read there is 7 million vegetarians in Germany, they are never going to join Mike too. Be a Christian if you want to Mike, but forget about making the Krishnas into meat eaters. This is what happens when people offend the devotees, they end up thinking its good to slaughter animals. That is what Srila Prabhupada said, make offense and one goes down to a lower life. Vegetarians are increasing, its the Vedas diet and its being accepted.

  7. Gaurahari is going back to Christianity. Again. Him and Mike need to start a religion of ex-Krishna devotees for Jesus.

    How far will they go?

    These people never get much done after quitting devotee life, its real sour grapes. Devotees who go back to Christians were never serious about spiritual life, who knows who long they will last with Jesus. Meat eating simply is not good for spiritual life, why don't they know that?


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