Worship of the Pure Devotee is Essential
Dear Prabhus,
a) Srila Prabhupada is the foundational siksa guru for all ISKCON devotees because he has realized and presented the teachings of the previous acaryas of the Brahma Madhava Gaudiya sampradaya appropriately for the modern age.
b) Srila Prabhupada’s instruction are the essential teachings for every ISKCON devotee.
c) Srila Prabhupada’s books are the embodiment of his teachings and should be accepted as the standard by all future generations of ISKCON.
d) Every ISKCON spiritual master is responsible to guide his disciples to follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.
(Resolution No. 35 GBC Minutes 1994)
It is clear that the Governing Body Commission states that it is Srila Prabhupada whose instructions we are to follow. It is the instructions of Srila Prabhupada that are the foundational and essential siksa for everyone.
If his instructions are not transmitting divya-jnana then whose are?
“…on the absolute platform siksa and diksa gurus are identical, and it is offensive to try and discriminate between them.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi -lila1:47, purport).
But by the same verse, since Srila Prabhupada is the diksa Guru of ISKCON, then to try and de-emphasise this on the plea of promoting his role as a siksa guru would be offensive, since one would be trying to discriminate between Srila Prabhupada’s role as the diksa Guru, and Srila Prabhupada’s role as the siksa Guru.
“Srila Prabhupada can only give siksa to newcomers, but not diksa” really ?
It is clearly NOT the present ‘spiritual masters’ who are currently giving the essential divya-jnana. They are simply advising from where it may be obtained. They are assisting but not directly transmitting. As noted earlier, this has been admitted by the GBC themselves.
Diksa Guru:
If therefore, it is Srila Prabhupada who is giving us divya-jnana and thus enabling us to destroy our sinful reactions, then he cannot be none other than our diksa guru. The diksa guru is not the individual who provides the spiritual name or lights the sacrificial fire. The diksa guru is he who gives diksa, the transcendental knowledge that destroys all sinful reactions and takes us back to Godhead.
“Diksa actually means *initiating* a disciple *with transcendental knowledge* by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.” (Madhya-lila, 4:112, Purport)
“Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.”
(C.C. Mad., 15-108)
(C.C. Mad., 15-108)
“First He says the spiritual master awakens the sleeping living entity to his original consciousness so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the purpose of diksa or initiation. Initiation means receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual consciousness.” [Madhya-Lila 9.61,purport]
The choice is very simple:
Is the person who tells you to read Srila Prabhupada’s books giving divya-jnana, or the person whose books you actually read ? The answer is of course quite clear.
NOTE: If Srila Prabhupada can still give siksa to everyone as the GBC concede, and if “on the absolute platform siksa and diksa gurus are identical”, then why can he not give diksa via his books to everyone too ? According to Srila Prabhupada, the siksa guru normally goes on to become the diksa guru anyway:
“Generally a spiritual master who constantly instructs a disciple in spiritual science becomes his initiating spiritual master later on.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila, 1.35, purport)
“It is the duty of the siksa guru or diksa guru to instruct the disciple in the right way, and it depends on the disciple to execute the process. According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksa guru and diksa guru, and generally the siksa guru later on becomes the diksa guru.” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.12.32, purport)
The GBC have violated the above principle every day of every year since 1977 since on the one hand they promote Srila Prabhupada as the main siksa Guru for anyone who joins ISKCON, but on the other they flatly deny that it is even possible that he “later on becomes the diksa guru”. What happens normally “later on” in ISKCON is that all Srila Prabhupada’s disciples are stolen by the GBC 2/3 voted in rubber stamped gurus!
Srila Prabhupada taught that we are permitted just one diksa Guru, who must be completely liberated, and unlimited siksa gurus who may or may not be liberated. The confusion between diksa and siksa gurus occurs because their titles are confused with their function. Thus it is sometimes assumed that only the siksa guru gives siksa, but not the diksa guru. However, as the last quote above clearly demonstrates, the diksa guru also instructs. This should be obvious, otherwise how else will he transmit divya-jnana (transcendental knowledge)?:
Pradyumna: “Guru-padasrayah. “First one must take shelter of the lotus feet of a spiritual master.” Tasmat Krsna- diksadi-siksanam. Tasmat, “from him”, Krsna-diksadi-siksanam, “one should take Krsna- diksa, initiation, and siksa.”"
Srila Prabhupada: “Diksa means divya-jnanam ksapayati iti diksa. Which explains the divya-jnana, transcendental, that is diksa. Di, divya, diksanam. diksa. So divya-jnana, transcendental knowledge(…)”
Pradyumna: “Krsna- diksadi-siksanam.”
Srila Prabhupada: “Siksanam. We have to learn. If you don’t learn, how you’ll make progress?”
(Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 27/1/77)
(Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, 27/1/77)
That siksa is included in diksa is evident from the most well known verse on the guru-disciple relationship:
“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.”
(Bhagavad-gita, 4:34 [1972 original first ed.]) !!!
(Bhagavad-gita, 4:34 [1972 original first ed.]) !!!
NOTE: In this verse the word “upadeksyanti” is translated in the word-for-word translation as meaning to “initiate”; however, in the full translation this to “initiate” is rendered as requiring the Guru to “impart” (knowledge). Consequently the “Prabhupada is siksa not diksa” advocates are caught in a logistical trap of their own making.
If Srila Prabhupada is capable of “imparting knowledge” or “divya-jnana” to newcomers via his books , which the GBC concede in advocating him as the pre-eminent siksa Guru for ISKCON, then he must by definition be able to initiate or give diksa too. Transcendental knowledge or transcendental siksa = divya-jnana is , after all, the main constituent of diksa ( only possible to received from an qualified bona fide Diksa guru, means uttama-adikari and special authorized acarya) :
“Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed from all material contamination.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 4:112, purport)
“Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.” !!!! (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 15.108, purport)
NOTE: It is obviously ludicrous to argue that Srila Prabhupada can impart transcendental knowledge ( divya-jnana) when not on the planet if we call him a siksa Guru, but not do so if we call him a diksa Guru. Therefore, if Srila Prabhupada can impart transcendental knowledge to newcomers via his books , letters and tapes whilst not on this planet, and he is the latest or current link in the chain of disciplic succession, what prevents him from being their diksa Guru? Prabhupada never elected or appointed diksa-gurus for after his departure !! Therefore the GBC rubber stamped “gurus” via 2/3 hand vote !! This is a fact!
Thus since the GBC accept that Srila Prabhupada can impart “transcendental knowledge” to everyone via his “pre-eminent siksa”, and since Srila Prabhupada has already agreed to accept as a disciple anyone who follows his teachings for a minimum of six months (via representational priests or ritviks), the GBC and others should stop inventing baseless myths and start following his pre-eminent instructions, beginning with the one issued on July 9th 1977, which continued his position as the sole diksa Guru of ISKCON.
“The initiating and instructing spiritual masters are equal and identical manifestations of Krsna, although they have different dealings.” (Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi 1.34, purport )
“Therefore, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru . . .” (Room conversation in Bhubanesva on Jan. 31, 1977)
“According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksa-guru and diksa-guru, and generally the siksa-guru later on becomes the diksa-guru.” (Srimad-bhagavatam, 4.12.32, purport)
ACTUAL POSITION OF THE GBC : “The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.” !!
(SPL to Madhudvisa Swami, 4th August, 1975) “There are two kinds of instructing spiritual masters. One is the liberated person fully absorbed in meditation in devotional service, and the other is he who invokes the disciple’s spiritual consciousness by means of relevant instructions.”
(CC Adi, 1.47 )
NOTE: Here Srila Prabhupada describes the two kinds of instructor gurus. The second describes a person who gives instructions based on the revealed scriptures. He must be not full liberated !!! The first describes the siksa guru Srila Prabhupada wants us all to become. On this platform we will be fully qualified to preach the glories of the Lord !!
“The diksa-guru and the siksa-guru are both intimate servitors of Lord Krsna.” (Harinama-cintamani of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur)
Even the bhaktas can defeat these bhogus GBC guru people. The diksha guru is the person giving divyam jnanam. Mahavishnu swami is the GBC diksha guru, but he cannot save even a flea. Good job pada. These bhatkas are preaching just like you are.
ReplyDeleteGBC has a hard time to admit, that the system that Srila Prabhupada left us ... is perfect, but they do not follow his system. They know that even their own chosen "gurus" are not qualified, that's why they try to use jugglery of words to save their situation of posting unqualified persons as diksa gurus.
ReplyDeleteThey make only confusion, by encouraging naive beginners to worship their neophyte gurus ... posing as good as God, but when their gurus fall, it is not their fault because they told us -- that gurus can fall down.
Every intelligent person will ask himself, what kind of strange conception is this, you need to worship people who are falling down? When will everyone realize, that the GBC are the guys whose misconception are creating these problems.
And every one of their new solutions is simply causing new problems. Just as with politcians, whose every solution creates new problems. And if you think that their problems will stop, you are wrong.
Because they have imperfect senses, how can they bring about sense and peace, because they can use their imperfect senses to select perfect diksa gurus, how can that work? It can not, until they accept Srila Prabhupada and his instruction.
*** This is the problem with the ritviks. A bhakta thinks they know more than a guru. They listen to fools who tell them what they want to hear, such fools know less than the gurus who stay in ISKCON because they could not stay. Therefore neither the teacher not the students in these various ritvik camps knows anything, yet they think they know it al.
ReplyDelete[PADA: We know what the village drunk also knows, gurus are not debauchees, but heck even the cannibal religion knows that debauchees are not messiahs. We do not know everything, but we do know at least something. ys pd]
The newest ritvik bhakta is more advanced than the rest of them combined. But after a while, due to not having a bona fide guru, he too will fall down just like the rest of them. They might claim to be following Prabhupada, but Prabhupada never said to end the guru disciple relationship with him. He said he wanted his disciples to become regular gurus and accept their own disciples in their own right, his grand disciples. If he didn't mean his granddisciples then why did he say it? That the ritviks do not know.
ReplyDelete[PADA: This ritviks are falling down into illicit sex with men, women and children like your gurus? No, they are not? Many of them are sincere and they are doing great service like book distribution and so on, while your gurus are watching football games on tv. No, we are not falling like your gurus are, we are not becoming debauchees at all, we are making progress. ys pd]