PADA: Krishna Kanta Desai (IRM) and his vociferous supporters like Prahlad das have combined to try to forge a compromise with the GBC on the poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada issue. This attempt to defeat the words of the pure devotee and to suppress PADA has simply back-fired on these people, starting first of all when most the people in the IRM quit their group, and went off to work with PADA on this issue in 1997. Its time to make an official statement, these people have been totally defeated by PADA.
And now, every single day, we are getting more people to agree with us on this issue. And thus there is a constant increase in "poison case" documentation sites, audio sites and etc. In sum, there is an increased interest in the poison issue, and what was being said at the time by these leaders like Tamal Krishna swami (pictured below on left, Kirtananda swami is on right).
Yep, how did you guess, the GBC buried both these deviants pictured below in "samadhis" in the holy dham, polluting the sacred leela areas of Lord Krishna. All this of course will be undone by our future Prabhupadanugas, these samadhis will be dug up and the contents will be placed in areas where dogs pass stools in Vrndavana. Rest assured, future Prabhupadanugas will clear all these issues up later on, including the poison issue, changed books issue, bogus appointment issue, bogus samadhis issue, etc.
Worse, the IRM wrote to tell us that these statements like this one "put the poison in different containers" is "normal and not alarming." Really? "Put the poison in different containers" is not alarming, when the person who is receiving what is in the containers (Srila Prabhupada) says, he is being given poison? Why are Krishna Kanta and his sidekicks like Prahlad das licking the jack boots of the poisoners party, by suppressing the complaints from the pure devotee by attacking PADA? When are they going to admit this is a serious complaint from the pure devotee, and quit defending the Tamal party?
Here we find Krishna Kanta STILL declaring he has defeated Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/pada_false_evidence.html
Meanwhile, we are getting more and more documentation proving that the complaint is valid:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-part3.html
And now, every single day, we are getting more people to agree with us on this issue. And thus there is a constant increase in "poison case" documentation sites, audio sites and etc. In sum, there is an increased interest in the poison issue, and what was being said at the time by these leaders like Tamal Krishna swami (pictured below on left, Kirtananda swami is on right).
Yep, how did you guess, the GBC buried both these deviants pictured below in "samadhis" in the holy dham, polluting the sacred leela areas of Lord Krishna. All this of course will be undone by our future Prabhupadanugas, these samadhis will be dug up and the contents will be placed in areas where dogs pass stools in Vrndavana. Rest assured, future Prabhupadanugas will clear all these issues up later on, including the poison issue, changed books issue, bogus appointment issue, bogus samadhis issue, etc.
Tamala Krsna:
"Put poison in different containers. That’s all right."
Worse, the IRM wrote to tell us that these statements like this one "put the poison in different containers" is "normal and not alarming." Really? "Put the poison in different containers" is not alarming, when the person who is receiving what is in the containers (Srila Prabhupada) says, he is being given poison? Why are Krishna Kanta and his sidekicks like Prahlad das licking the jack boots of the poisoners party, by suppressing the complaints from the pure devotee by attacking PADA? When are they going to admit this is a serious complaint from the pure devotee, and quit defending the Tamal party?
Here we find Krishna Kanta STILL declaring he has defeated Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/pada_false_evidence.html
Meanwhile, we are getting more and more documentation proving that the complaint is valid:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-part3.html
Of course the IRM and Prahlad also complain that we got Tamal to go to India, where he was killed when he went to a meeting to discuss how to control the poison issue and the molesting issue, being forwarded by PADA:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-some-say-pada-caused-tamals.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-some-say-pada-caused-tamals.html
This is another sign they are defeated, they are angry we not only exposed Tamal, but took Tamal out of the ISKCON control seat. Anyway, here is a brief commentary provided by Mahesh Raja and other Prabhupadanugas on this issue:
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Tamal Krsna Swami (+1946-2002), the “living guru”-advocate, now a dead guru, on his final way to his grave for burial of his corpse. Tamal Krsna will always be remembered by those who have been abused under him and kicked out for opposing his false guru system:
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/topanga.htm
http://www.harekrsna.org/Tamal-Krishna-hist.htm
Tamal Krsna’s alleged poisoning of Srila Prabhupada
By: Prabhupada-anugas
Tamal Krsna has deceived the whole devotee community with his guru-successor-hoax. After he was banned by ISK’CON he admitted that he has cheated and lied, saying: “Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn’t appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus“. (Topanga Canyon Pyramid House Talks)
The same lies and deception Tamal Krsna also employed in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. Although Nityananda says in his book “Someone Has Poisoned Me“, that we do not exactly know who is the culprit in giving poison to Srila Prabhupada, still from analysing the audio tapes now (after 37 years) we do know who has given poison:
Kaviraja: speaks in Hindi…..
Tamala Krsna: Put poison in different containers. That’s all right.
Audio Clip in MP3 Format - [(((audio)))]
This is not a whisper – these words are clearly audible, spoken by Tamal Krsna. It is interesting to note that even though the transcription of this section of the audio tape was transcribed into the BBT Folio, this sentence was omitted. Why was this sentence omitted? How will BBT / Bhaktivedanta Archives officials explain this mystery?
COMMENT BY MAHESH RAJA
Note: sometimes some devotees think that how is it that those that gave Poison to Srila Prabhupada THE PURE DEVOTEE, took over his temples usurped money, his disciples, disobeyed and discarded the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurped the BBT, changed his books, yet nothing seems to be happening to them? We have to see THE PLAN of Lord Krsna. Krishna does NOT forget any insult, torture, ill-treatment to his PURE devotee Srila Prabhupada.
The situation with Tamal Krsna was just ONE incident of HOW he was taken out in an accident (Tamal was the one who whispered “PUT THE POISON IN THE MILK“). The rest are still in awaiting Lord Nrsimhadeva’s plan: A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 7.8.26 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
O Yudhisthira, O great son of Bharata, when Lord Nrsimhadeva gave Hiranyakasipu a chance to slip from His hand, just as Garuda sometimes plays with a snake and lets it slip from his mouth, the demigods, who had lost their abodes and who were hiding behind the clouds for fear of the demon, did not consider that incident very good. Indeed, they were perturbed.
PURPORT
When Hiranyakasipu was in the process of being killed by Lord Nrsimhadeva, the Lord gave the demon a chance to slip from His clutches. This incident was not very much appreciated by the demigods, for they were greatly afraid of Hiranyakasipu. They knew that if somehow or other Hiranyakasipu escaped from Nrsimhadeva’s hands and saw that the demigods were looking forward to his death with great pleasure, he would take great revenge upon them. Therefore they were very much afraid.
SB 7.8.27 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
When Hiranyakasipu was freed from the hands of Nrsimhadeva, he falsely thought that the Lord was afraid of his prowess. Therefore, after taking a little rest from the fight, he took up his sword and shield and again attacked the Lord with great force.
PURPORT
When a sinful man enjoys material facilities, foolish people sometimes think, “HOW IS IT THAT THIS SINFUL MAN IS ENJOYING WHEREAS A PIOUS MAN IS SUFFERING?” BY THE WILL OF THE SUPREME, A SINFUL MAN IS SOMETIMES GIVEN THE CHANCE TO ENJOY THE MATERIAL WORLD AS IF HE WERE NOT UNDER THE CLUTCHES OF MATERIAL NATURE, JUST SO THAT HE MAY BE FOOLED. A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 1.15.10 P The Pandavas Retire Timely
Queen Draupadi had a beautiful bunch of hair which was sanctified in the ceremonial function of Rajasuya-yajna. But when she was lost in a bet, Duhsasana touched her glorified hair to insult her. Draupadi then fell down at the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, and Lord Krsna decided that all the wives of Duhsasana and company should have their hair loosened as a result of the Battle of Kuruksetra. Thus after the Battle of Kuruksetra, after all the sons and grandsons of Dhrtarastra died in battle, all the wives of the family were obliged to loosen their hair as widows. In other words, all the wives of the Kuru family became widows because of Duhsasana’s insulting a great devotee of the Lord. THE LORD CAN TOLERATE INSULTS UPON HIMSELF BY ANY MISCREANT BECAUSE THE FATHER TOLERATES EVEN INSULTS FROM THE SON. BUT HE NEVER TOLERATES INSULTS UPON HIS DEVOTEES. BY INSULTING A GREAT SOUL, ONE HAS TO FOREGO ALL THE RESULTS OF PIOUS ACTS AND BENEDICTIONS ALSO.
SB 3.1.43 P Questions by Vidura
As declared in Bhagavad-gita, the Lord appears in the mortal world to execute His much-needed mission of killing the miscreants and giving protection to the suffering faithful. In spite of that mission, Lord Krsna tolerated the insult to Draupadi by the Kurus and the injustices perpetrated against the Pandavas, as well as insults to Himself. THE QUESTION MAY BE RAISED, “WHY DID HE TOLERATE SUCH INJUSTICES AND INSULTS IN HIS PRESENCE? WHY DID HE NOT CHASTISE THE KURUS IMMEDIATELY?” WHEN DRAUPADI WAS INSULTED IN THE ASSEMBLY BY THE KURUS BY THEIR ATTEMPT TO SEE HER NAKED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL, THE LORD PROTECTED DRAUPADI BY SUPPLYING AN UNLIMITED LENGTH OF CLOTHING. BUT HE DID NOT CHASTISE THE INSULTING PARTY IMMEDIATELY. THIS SILENCE OF THE LORD DID NOT MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT HE EXCUSED THE OFFENSES OF THE KURUS. THERE WERE MANY OTHER KINGS ON EARTH WHO HAD BECOME VERY PROUD OF THREE KINDS OF POSSESSIONS–WEALTH, EDUCATION AND FOLLOWERS–AND THEY WERE CONSTANTLY AGITATING THE EARTH BY MOVEMENTS OF MILITARY STRENGTH. THE LORD WAS JUST WAITING TO GET THEM TOGETHER ON THE BATTLEFIELD OF KURUKSETRA AND KILL THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, JUST TO MAKE A SHORT-CUT IN HIS KILLING MISSION. Godless kings or heads of state, when puffed up by advancement of material wealth, education and increase of population, always make a show of military strength and give trouble to the innocent. When Lord Krsna was personally present, there were many such kings all over the world, and He thus arranged for the Battle of Kuruksetra.
Note: Stealing Srila Prabhupada the PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA’S Temples, disciples, Money, Discarding the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurping the BBT, changing Srila Prabhupada’s books consequences are VERY VERY VERY HEAVY. They enjoying now: PAY LATER in serpent, worm forms.
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/topanga.htm
http://www.harekrsna.org/Tamal-Krishna-hist.htm
Tamal Krsna’s alleged poisoning of Srila Prabhupada
By: Prabhupada-anugas
Tamal Krsna has deceived the whole devotee community with his guru-successor-hoax. After he was banned by ISK’CON he admitted that he has cheated and lied, saying: “Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn’t appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus“. (Topanga Canyon Pyramid House Talks)
The same lies and deception Tamal Krsna also employed in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. Although Nityananda says in his book “Someone Has Poisoned Me“, that we do not exactly know who is the culprit in giving poison to Srila Prabhupada, still from analysing the audio tapes now (after 37 years) we do know who has given poison:
Kaviraja: speaks in Hindi…..
Tamala Krsna: Put poison in different containers. That’s all right.
Audio Clip in MP3 Format - [(((audio)))]
This is not a whisper – these words are clearly audible, spoken by Tamal Krsna. It is interesting to note that even though the transcription of this section of the audio tape was transcribed into the BBT Folio, this sentence was omitted. Why was this sentence omitted? How will BBT / Bhaktivedanta Archives officials explain this mystery?
COMMENT BY MAHESH RAJA
Note: sometimes some devotees think that how is it that those that gave Poison to Srila Prabhupada THE PURE DEVOTEE, took over his temples usurped money, his disciples, disobeyed and discarded the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurped the BBT, changed his books, yet nothing seems to be happening to them? We have to see THE PLAN of Lord Krsna. Krishna does NOT forget any insult, torture, ill-treatment to his PURE devotee Srila Prabhupada.
The situation with Tamal Krsna was just ONE incident of HOW he was taken out in an accident (Tamal was the one who whispered “PUT THE POISON IN THE MILK“). The rest are still in awaiting Lord Nrsimhadeva’s plan: A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 7.8.26 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
O Yudhisthira, O great son of Bharata, when Lord Nrsimhadeva gave Hiranyakasipu a chance to slip from His hand, just as Garuda sometimes plays with a snake and lets it slip from his mouth, the demigods, who had lost their abodes and who were hiding behind the clouds for fear of the demon, did not consider that incident very good. Indeed, they were perturbed.
PURPORT
When Hiranyakasipu was in the process of being killed by Lord Nrsimhadeva, the Lord gave the demon a chance to slip from His clutches. This incident was not very much appreciated by the demigods, for they were greatly afraid of Hiranyakasipu. They knew that if somehow or other Hiranyakasipu escaped from Nrsimhadeva’s hands and saw that the demigods were looking forward to his death with great pleasure, he would take great revenge upon them. Therefore they were very much afraid.
SB 7.8.27 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
When Hiranyakasipu was freed from the hands of Nrsimhadeva, he falsely thought that the Lord was afraid of his prowess. Therefore, after taking a little rest from the fight, he took up his sword and shield and again attacked the Lord with great force.
PURPORT
When a sinful man enjoys material facilities, foolish people sometimes think, “HOW IS IT THAT THIS SINFUL MAN IS ENJOYING WHEREAS A PIOUS MAN IS SUFFERING?” BY THE WILL OF THE SUPREME, A SINFUL MAN IS SOMETIMES GIVEN THE CHANCE TO ENJOY THE MATERIAL WORLD AS IF HE WERE NOT UNDER THE CLUTCHES OF MATERIAL NATURE, JUST SO THAT HE MAY BE FOOLED. A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 1.15.10 P The Pandavas Retire Timely
Queen Draupadi had a beautiful bunch of hair which was sanctified in the ceremonial function of Rajasuya-yajna. But when she was lost in a bet, Duhsasana touched her glorified hair to insult her. Draupadi then fell down at the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, and Lord Krsna decided that all the wives of Duhsasana and company should have their hair loosened as a result of the Battle of Kuruksetra. Thus after the Battle of Kuruksetra, after all the sons and grandsons of Dhrtarastra died in battle, all the wives of the family were obliged to loosen their hair as widows. In other words, all the wives of the Kuru family became widows because of Duhsasana’s insulting a great devotee of the Lord. THE LORD CAN TOLERATE INSULTS UPON HIMSELF BY ANY MISCREANT BECAUSE THE FATHER TOLERATES EVEN INSULTS FROM THE SON. BUT HE NEVER TOLERATES INSULTS UPON HIS DEVOTEES. BY INSULTING A GREAT SOUL, ONE HAS TO FOREGO ALL THE RESULTS OF PIOUS ACTS AND BENEDICTIONS ALSO.
SB 3.1.43 P Questions by Vidura
As declared in Bhagavad-gita, the Lord appears in the mortal world to execute His much-needed mission of killing the miscreants and giving protection to the suffering faithful. In spite of that mission, Lord Krsna tolerated the insult to Draupadi by the Kurus and the injustices perpetrated against the Pandavas, as well as insults to Himself. THE QUESTION MAY BE RAISED, “WHY DID HE TOLERATE SUCH INJUSTICES AND INSULTS IN HIS PRESENCE? WHY DID HE NOT CHASTISE THE KURUS IMMEDIATELY?” WHEN DRAUPADI WAS INSULTED IN THE ASSEMBLY BY THE KURUS BY THEIR ATTEMPT TO SEE HER NAKED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL, THE LORD PROTECTED DRAUPADI BY SUPPLYING AN UNLIMITED LENGTH OF CLOTHING. BUT HE DID NOT CHASTISE THE INSULTING PARTY IMMEDIATELY. THIS SILENCE OF THE LORD DID NOT MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT HE EXCUSED THE OFFENSES OF THE KURUS. THERE WERE MANY OTHER KINGS ON EARTH WHO HAD BECOME VERY PROUD OF THREE KINDS OF POSSESSIONS–WEALTH, EDUCATION AND FOLLOWERS–AND THEY WERE CONSTANTLY AGITATING THE EARTH BY MOVEMENTS OF MILITARY STRENGTH. THE LORD WAS JUST WAITING TO GET THEM TOGETHER ON THE BATTLEFIELD OF KURUKSETRA AND KILL THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, JUST TO MAKE A SHORT-CUT IN HIS KILLING MISSION. Godless kings or heads of state, when puffed up by advancement of material wealth, education and increase of population, always make a show of military strength and give trouble to the innocent. When Lord Krsna was personally present, there were many such kings all over the world, and He thus arranged for the Battle of Kuruksetra.
Note: Stealing Srila Prabhupada the PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA’S Temples, disciples, Money, Discarding the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurping the BBT, changing Srila Prabhupada’s books consequences are VERY VERY VERY HEAVY. They enjoying now: PAY LATER in serpent, worm forms.
Please clarify, so far Prahlad is best friend of Bhakta Peter, Bhakta Robin. Now above says, Prahlad is with IRM and rejects that Prabhupada was poisoned?
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yes, Prahlad is probably the biggest defender of the IRM, and yes, he knows the IRM opposes us on the poison issue, molesting issue, and tried to stop us on the book changes issue. Basically they are compromisers with the GBC program. They may be friends with various people, that does not mean their friends agree with the IRM policy. We think most people are not in agreement with the IRM and its compromising policy at this stage, even if they are somewhat friends with the IRM. The IRM policy of compromise has failed, our policy of confrontation has, and still is, having success.]
Krishnakant said that he agrees that Prabhupada was poisoned, however, when presenting this like PADA does on a public platform what is mainly read by non-Vaishnavas who want to completely remove Western Vaishnavism this is not helpful for Prabhupada's mission.
[PADA: The people who apparently poisoned Prabhupada already removed his mission. The public also knows that Jesus was crucified, that does not make them reject the religion. Yes, its a shocking fact, but its what happened. We think that the poison issue will explain what happened to the mission, and how these criminal behaviors were sprouted and originated from in the first place.]
ReplyDeletePeople in general figure that you get what you deserve. Correct? When a spiritual leader is poisoned by his own disciples people conclude that, why this spiritual leader allowed such disciples to be in his team of staff members? Why he invited such people to enter his room and cook his meals? Serve him milk and give him medicine? Thats why Prabhupada never mentioned in public that his guru was poisoned. Because people figure that, why this guru allowed such rascals to come in his room? So people in general simply reject the whole thing and never ever want ...
[PADA: Well there are all kinds of ways to view this, but Jesus was betrayed by his own men and killed as well. It sometimes happens. The problem is that there is no good explanation for all the crimes in ISKCON -- except, there was a criminal take over. The poison complaint explains how the criminals took over. Yes, its hard for people to understand how Judas could betray Jesus, knowing Jesus would be crucified, but its what happens to pure devotees at times. The real problem is, all of this has already happened, its history, Srila Prabhupada said he is being poisoned, his movement then descended into criminality after that, its now history. Its very hard to re-write history, and we never find the Christians trying to evade the betrayal of Jesus by Judas, they embrace their history, and seems to have not hampered their progress. Anyway, yes, the IRM and others think we should re-write history, that never seems to work.
At the same time the Bhagavad Gita is a huge battle, why God allowed that? Even, He encouraged that? He also allowed Kamsa to take over etc. Its all old history, its what happens in this material world. Srila Prabhupada said Jesus is very popular now -- because people know he was crucified, so the same rule may eventually apply to Srila Prabhupada. In any case, there is a poison complaint, its unfortunate, but its the factual history of what happened. Its not something we should dwell on, like the crucifixion of Jesus is not the main thing of his life, but, its part of his history. We also have not really had any good alternate process of presentation over the years, its seems our process is working by default because others have not come up with a better solution. We basically have lots of arm chair advisors telling us -- yes shoot here, no shoot there, yes move here, no do not move here, yes say this, no do not say this, great, but are they on the battlefield taking over the battle? Well, nope. There cannot be a thousand advisors for a few soldiers, that never works.
Prahlad's other friends are promoting that idea that the take over of ISKCON is being done by the serpent people who are living underground at the Denver airport. Their ideas are not going anywhere, rather karmi people are laughing at these fools, and so they are trying to make a laughing stock of ISKCON, Krishna, and the poison complaint, by making the whole thing sound like a crazy house with no factual explanation. Fortunately, this is also being rejected by the mass of devotees as well, and our explanation is being accepted. They are also saying that the demons under the Denver airport have taken over ISKCON, so they can divert people from addressing the real bad actors who have factually taken over ISKCON, its another smoke screen to protect the evil doers. Anyway, if someone else has a better method, that would be great, we just are not seeing that happen, so we are left holding the bag and presenting things as best we can. ys pd]
"Srila Prabhupada said Jesus is very popular now -- because people know he was crucified, so the same rule may eventually apply to Srila Prabhupada." Agreed, Jesus got popular by having his crucifixion exposed. Difference is that Jesus was betrayed by only one disciple, Judas, not all of them.
ReplyDelete[PADA: One betrayer, or many betrayers, the results were the same? Anyway not "all" of the disciples were involved in the conspiracy to get rid of Srila Prabhupada, we suspect maybe a handful. Almost ALL of the disciples have left ISKCON, they ALL did not participate in the regime of the betrayers, only a few remain.]
*** And, Jesus died after a documented court decision. This decision was nailed on the cross. The charge listed on Jesus' cross is "THE KING OF THE JEWS" (INRI). In sum, the whole thing is documented.
[PADA: We doubt there is any actual existing ancient legal documentation of Jesus' plight, there is mainly the Bible, which was written and recorded by the disciples themselves. The disciples of Jesus all wrote that he was crucified, that is the main evidence and record, perhaps only written record. So we are authorized to do the same thing, record the poison complaint of our guru.]
*** Whereas in Prabhupada's case and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's case there was no police report, no legal reporting, nobody made a confession neither is their any guilty plea.
[PADA: The poison complaint, the poison whispers, various testimony etc., these are all verified reports of the incident. There are no legal records of all kinds of things mentioned in the Vedas, not much of it is "verified," its basically an act of faith, as is the acceptance of the Bible. There are plenty of evidences of foul play, including that Srila Prabhupada indicated as such. All kinds of people know about thousands of crimes that take place across the US every day, and there is not always an official police report etc, that does not mean the crime did not take place?]
*** It is exactly same situation when Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja was poisoned. No police, no autopsy, no court decision. All those suspects never would admit anything. Instead they fought at court about all those properties. Prabhupada would never approve that anybody write an article in Back To Godhead magazine that his spiritual ...
[PADA: OK well I am not sure what your actual point is? Srila Prabhupada complained he was being poisoned, the people in the room were discussing giving him poison, the doctors all agreed he had the symptoms of poison, there is arsenic in a hair sample and possibly cadmium, various people on the scene say poison was being discussed etc. At least under our plan these Tamal samadhis will be eventually removed from polluting the holy dham etc, what is your plan? You have failed to tell us what you think is the right course for all this. ys pd]
This article quotes many quotations about Lord Nrishmha and Hiranyakisipu. What it fails to mention is Prahlad. Hiranyakisispu gave Prahld poison through his mother, at least two people were involved, and who knows how many other people in the palace staff? But he survived. Practically all the demons were against him. But Krishna protected him.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Tamal's saying:“Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn’t appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus“. (Topanga Canyon Pyramid House Talks)" to quote tamal's final word, who gives a "CHIT!". He did not use the word Chit exactly but we all heard what he said afterwards by word of mouth. Either he did not understand what Prabhupada meant, or he did and he hid the truth. He wanted his position back do you think he would reveal the complete truth even at that point just because he was staying at a Pyramid house? Did the illuminati influence of the great Pyramid he was staying at compel him to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Don't listen to a word that man said. Trust me, quoting Tamal is useless. He was one of the first ex-disciples to go over to the Gaudiya Math and one of the first "gurus" to leave ISKCON for the Math as well. I would piss on his grave only it isn't worth getting my feet contaminated with my own urine.
*** Fact is Prabhupada kept TKG for years as his confidential secretary who even wrote letters signed by Prabhupada and accompanied Prabhupada on his world tours.
ReplyDelete[PADA: OK and Srila Prabhupada also said he is ruining my movement and lets send him to China. There was always a lot of friction between Tamal and Srila Prabhupada, you failed to mention that fact.]
*** Prabhupada would be totally displeased when his followers talk like that about his personal servant. Even if TKG made mistakes later on, it is not appropriate and not our position to make this man look like a rakshasa.
[PADA: Tamal made himself look like a raksasa, we simply reported that. And since he is number one in line for the highly suspicious poison issue, most people believe he is a raksasa.]
*** This simply sheds bad light on Prabhupada. Prabhupada had so many disciples. Why did Prabhupada not select someone else as his bodyguard / secretary? But you insist of repeating and repeating that Prabhupada selected only crooks, demons, rascals as his personal secretary. At one point suspicion arises if you want to turn Prabhupada into a defective conditioned soul who didn't know what is a crook and what is a sincere devotee?
[PADA: OK except, if you do not blame the GBC for deviating away from Srila Prabhupada, then you are blaming Srila Prabhupada for saying he wanted deviants to be his successors. Your system also blames Srila Prabhupada, but your system is even worse, Srila Prabhupada wanted crooks to be his successors, because he endorsed criminal behaviors. Your idea is not helping either. At least our idea, Srila Prabhupada onlt chose them for very limited roles, and they erased Srila Prabhupada apparently with poison, so they could create a criminal empire, which is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted. Your idea is to say, he wanted the criminal empire, how is that helping?]
*** So this is rather humbug preaching and telling this to Avaishnavas and those who want to destroy Vaishnavism even more irresponsible. Prabhupada first of all would perform first class ...
[PADA: You have not come up with a better alternate presentation? You are apparently saying, we should say what the GBC says, that Srila Prabhupada wanted ISKCON to be a criminal operation, and we should not oppose that idea. What is your idea of what should have been done instead, we should not oppose these criminals, making it look like everyone agrees with the criminal behavior? Thats already the public impression, the criminals took over and everyone either: agreed and participated, ran away due to weakness, acquiesced, allowed, did not protest ,.. because they are in league with the criminals. Draupadi said, all of you who do not protest, are equal complicit to my attacker. ys pd