Srila Prabhupada: a "Writer For Hire"?

The King of Nothing

[PADA: What has amazed us over the years is how these bogus GBC leaders have been so aggressive in making themselves worshiped "good as God" saints, -- complete with: -- riding around in big expensive town cars; living in lavish housing if not five star hotels; being served by hundreds of "servants"; having big bank accounts; wearing golden crowns -- all the while -- turning ISKCON into a corrupt criminal operation -- where crimes of every type have been going on, including: banning, beating and assassinating the Lord's dear Vaishnavas; orchestrating mass molesting of the society's children; bankrupting temples -- and even allowing rats and bed bugs to take over some temples, and the list here is endless really, thus giving the entire society a terribly bad name to the mass of public. Never mind that, as Lokanatha swami wrote in 1988, the temples have become ghost towns.

At the same time, they have minimized the position of the acharya Srila Prabhupada by saying that the lineage of acharyas from Krishna are often "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." Adding insult to injury, they also declare that the acharyas are their subordinates, hired hands, and "writers for hire."

Hired writer?

Clearly, they have no respect for the acharyas. As the Isopanisad says, the demons make false acharyas who do not respect the actual acharyas, thus they are destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe. This was of course the first rattle out of the box in 1978, the GBC declared that they are the "managers and administrators" of the acharyas. The 11 said that they are the overseers of the acharyas, of course Krishna says He is the overseer of the acharyas, so they actually think they are greater than Krishna. The acharyas are the subordinates of "the managers"? The "Krishna lingita vigraha" pure person is "managed" by Tamal and company?    

Meanwhile, in order to justify all these bogus positions, they have had to re-write certain passages of the books of the acharyas to twist and change the actual siddhanta, so they have edited and modified the books of Srila Prabhupada in order to make "changes in siddhanta," which is an extreme crime against the acharya all by itself. And what was the only real purpose of having all these devotees banned, beat, killed; children being mass molested; temples being emptied out of manpower; changing the books; destroying varnasrama, bankrupting ISKCON, ad infinitum? So that a few of these fools could sit in big seats and wear crowns. That's what all this mayhem is all about from square one, a few fools wanted to be crowned as messiahs and they destroyed ISKCON and the lives of thousands of devotees, and the reputation of the society, and in sum they burnt everything in ISKCON to the ground -- so they could sit in a golden throne with a golden crown.

They will have fun explaining to Lord Yamaraja why they had ISKCON -- and most of its members -- and most of its children -- and the reputation of the society -- burnt to the ground, so they could put deviants into the seat of acharyas. PADA has just got a letter from an ex-gurukuli which details some of the homosexual problems going on in Mayapura, including that some of the prominent people there have gay lovers, and sexual perverts are still allowed and welcomed there by "King Jayapataka." Never mind these bogus kings just buried a known homosexual pedophile in the holy land of Vrndavana. So we are sort of like the residents of Mathura under Kamsa, we are being persecuted by these bogus kings. Anyway, the good news is that these demon kings are being exposed more and more, and they are being rejected, and thus their powers are fading fast.

These bogus kings will have to explain all this to Lord Yamaraja, ok crime number one: You had thousands and thousands of devotees banned, beat, and some killed, maybe several thousand children molested, you bankrupted Lord Chaitanya's mission, changed the books, all of this so -- you could wear a golden crown and sit in a big seat? All of these innocent victims had to suffer terribly, so you could  wear a crown? Millions of people will not get Srila Prabhupada's books, nor hear any harinama ever, so you could wear a golden hat? Anyway, all of this is coming out now. And that means we will beat these bogus demon kings back over time, and we are beating them back.

Yes, when we helped launch this BBT lawsuit, at that time Krishna Kanta (IRM) told us not to work with Hansadutta to make any lawsuit -- because he wanted to "make a deal with the GBC." He wanted to make a deal with these bogus kings -- so they would give him a post in their kingdom. This has been another problem, Srila Prabhupada says, so many people went to see King Kamsa to complain about his atrocities, but they ended up being his servants. Anyway, this was the biggest thing we needed to fix, we needed to have original books. We thank all the people in the past who helped on this, and we thank the new wave of people who are helping us get these original books back on track. Srila Prabhupada ki jaya! ys pd]

They will call "Lord, Lord," but the Lord will not hear them.

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The greatest crime of ISKCON?

The BBTi tries to prove in court, that Srila Prabhupada is not the author of His books, he is only their hired worker.

Srila Prabhupada has been degraded to a mere "scribe of materials for ISKCON" by doing “works for hire” for the bogus leaders of ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada is their hired worker? How demoniac can these bogus ISKCON people get?

Paragraph § 14 – WHEREAS “Prabhupada’s books, including all artwork, glossaries and elaborate purports, were “works for hire” created by ISKCON, Inc. ISKCON, Inc. owned common law copyrights in them from the time they were created, and became the owner of Federal copyrights as soon as they were published with a copyright notice.”

Paragraph § 15 – WHEREAS “BBTi contends that the California trust document dated May 29, 1972 never created a valid trust. However, if it did, and if any of the copyrights ever were owned by that trust, ISKCON, Inc. owned beneficial title to such property because ISKCON, Inc. was the trust beneficiary named in that document.”

Paragraph § 19 – WHEREAS “BBTI believes that ISKCON, Inc. owned the copyrights outright because the works in question were “works for hire” created by ISKCON, Inc. ISKCON, Inc. supplied the employees who worked on the books with their materials and equipment. ISKCON, Inc. also supplied each of them with room and board and with a stipend for personal or family expenses. Such employees included those who worked in the art department, photography department, Sanskrt editors, Bengali editors, English editors, design and layout specialists, and proof readers, among others.”

Paragraph § 20 – WHEREAS “BBTI contends that the California Trust Agreement dated May 29, 1972 did not create a valid trust and that the book publishing and distribution operations of the Movement were in fact never operated according to the provisions of that document. However, in the event the Court finds that that Trust Agreement created a legally valid trust which at the time in question (i.e., 1976) owned some or all of the copyrights registered at that time in the name Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, ISKCON, Inc. was the beneficiary of that trust, and therefore held beneficial title to those copyrights.”

ISKCON (BBTi) to drag Srila Prabhupada to Court!

Please see the original court documents of Hansadutta, defending Srila Prabhupada:

http://hansadutta.com/DOWNLOADS/BBTI_Works-for-Hire-argument.pdf

ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPTION OF COURT DOCUMENT

Joseph Fedorowsky, Esq. (SBN 133200)

OXFORD LAW FIRM
5757 West Century Blvd., Suite 700
Los Angeles, CA 90045
Telephone: (310) 645-9920
Attorneys for Defendant HANS KARY and for Cross-Complainants HANS KARY, VEDA GUHYA DAS and DIANE MARIE CHAN, individually and as TRUSTEES of the BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES CENTRAL DISTRICT

BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST, INTERNATIONAL, INC.
a California corporation; and INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS OF CALIFORNIA, INC.,
a California corporation.
Plaintiffs,
v.
HANS KARY (aka “Hamsadutta”), a California Citizen and Does 1 through 10, inclusive, HANS KARY, VEDA GUHYA DAS, and DIANE MARIE CHAN, individually, and as TRUSTEES of the BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST, a California Trust Dated May 29, 1972,

Cross-Complainants,
v.
CASE NO.: BC 170617
NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION TO COMPEL FURTHER RESPONSES TO SPECIAL INTERROGATORIES SET NUMBER TWO

DATE: January 19, 1998 TIME: 8:30 a.m
Hon. Dion G. Morrow, Retired Judge of the Superior Court
Court Appointed Discovery Referee 5101 Bedford Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90056-1002

Defendants.
INTERROGATORY NO. 13:
State the date on which Robert Grant [Ramesvara] was appointed as a “BBT Trustee” as alleged in paragraph 39 of your complaint.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO. 13:
Discovery and investigation are ongoing in this matter and BBTI reserves the right (but does not undertake) to supplement these responses as it discovers more information. Subject to the foregoing objections, both general and specific, and without waiving any of them, plaintiff BBTI responds to this interrogatory as follows:

Robert Grant was officially confirmed as BBT Trustee by the GBC in the Spring of 1975 during the annual GBC meetings in Mayapura, West Bengal, India. Defendant Hans Kary attended the GBC meetings and approved the resolution appointing him. Upon information and belief, Ramesvara dasa was previously appointed by Srila Prabhupada as BBT trustee or “acting” BBT trustee some time during the twelve months before the 1975 GBC meetings.

INTERROGATORY NO. 14:
State precisely how ISKCON, Inc. acquired title to the various copyrights registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NQ. 14:
Plaintiff BBTI objects to this interrogatory on the ground that it is vague and ambiguous, including specifically and without limitation with regard to the phrases “state precisely”, “acquired title” (which is vague as to what kind of title) and “copyrights” (which is vague in that it does not specify whether it means only federal copyrights under the United States Copyright Act). BBTI objects to this interrogatory to the extent that it calls for the disclosure of any information protected by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product doctrine. Subject to the foregoing objections, both general and specific, and without waiving any of them, plaintiff BBTI responds to this interrogatory as follows:

ISKCON, Inc. did business under the names “Bhaktivedanta Book Trust” and “BBT” from roughly 1971 until 1976. During the relevant time period (1966 through 1976) Srila

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WRITTEN RESPONSE BY PLAINTIFF AND CROSS-DEFENDANT BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST ISKCON Inc. (BBTi) to drag Srila Prabhupada to Court
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Prabhupada’s books, including all artwork, glossaries and elaborate purports, were “works for hire” created by ISKCON, Inc. ISKCON, Inc. owned common law copyrights in them from the time they were created, and became the owner of Federal copyrights as soon as they were published with a copyright notice.
BBTI contends that the California trust document dated May 29, 1972 never created a valid trust. However, if it did, and if any of the copyrights ever were owned by that trust, ISKCON, Inc. owned beneficial title to such property because ISKCON, Inc. was the trust beneficiary named in that document.

INTERROGATORY NO. 15:
Identify the owner of the copyrights which were registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust the day before ISKCON, Inc. first acquired title to those same copyrights.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO. 15:
BBTI objects to this interrogatory to the extent that it calls for the disclosure of any information protected by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product doctrine. BBTI further objects to this interrogatory as compound, vague and ambiguous and unintelligible. The interrogatory apparently asks BBTI to identify the person or entity who owned the copyrights, on the day before ISKCON, Inc. acquired title to them, which, at some time or another, were registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

Or alternatively, it asks BBTI to identify the person or entity who owned the copyrights, on the day before ISKCON, Inc. acquired title to them, which, at that same time, were registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust Or yet alternatively, it asks BBTI to identify the present owner of those copyrights which, on the day before ISKCON, Inc. first acquired title to them, were registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. Another alternative meaning, which BBTI rejects as absurd, is that the interrogatory refers to works, the registrations for which were filed on the day before ISKCON Inc. became the owner. BBTI also objects to the  interrogatory on the ground that it appears to be based upon an erroneous assumption that someone other than ISKCON, Inc. owned certain copyrights that
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WRITTEN RESPONSE BY PLAINTIFF AND CROSS-DEFENDANT BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST INTERNATIONAL, INC. TO HANS KARY’S SECOND SET OF SPECIALLY PREPARED INTERROGATORY
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INTERROGATORY NO. 18:
State all FACTS on which you base the contention contained in paragraph 41 of your complaint that in July of 1976 Mr. Murphy formally executed assignments transferring ownership of the intellectual property to ISKCON of California, Inc.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO. 18:
BBTI objects to this interrogatory to the extent that it calls for the disclosure of any information protected by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product doctrine. Discovery and investigation are ongoing in this matter and BBTI reserves the right (but does not undertake) to supplement these responses as it discovers more information. Subject to the foregoing objections, both general and specific, and without waiving any of them, plaintiff BBTI responds to this interrogatory as follows:

Mr. Murphy recalls formally executing the assignments. BBTI is not certain that this was done in July of 1976 and believes it may have been later that year. Investigation and discovery is ongoing, and BBTI reserves the right (but does not undertake) to supplement this answer later.

INTERROGATORY NO. 19:
State all FACTS on which you base the contention contained in paragraph 41 of the complaint that ISKCON, Inc. either owned outright or owned beneficial title to various copyrights registered in the name of Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO. 19:
BBTI objects to this interrogatory to the extent that it calls for the disclosure of any information protected by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product doctrine. Discovery and investigation are ongoing in this matter and BBTI reserves the right (but does not undertake) to supplement these responses as it discovers more information. Subject to the foregoing objections, both general and specific, and without waiving any of them, plaintiff BBTI responds to this interrogatory as follows:

BBTI believes that ISKCON, Inc. owned the copyrights outright because the works in question were “works for hire” created by ISKCON, Inc. ISKCON, Inc. supplied the
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WRITTEN RESPONSE BY PLAINTIFF AND CROSS-DEFENDANT BHAKTIVEDANTA BOOK TRUST INTERNATIONAL INC. TO HANS KARY’S SECOND SET OF SPECIALLY PREPARED INTERROGATORY
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employees who worked on the books with their materials and equipment. ISKCON, Inc. also supplied each of them with room and board and with a stipend for personal or family expenses. Such employees included those who worked in the art department, photography department, Sanskrt editors, Bengali editors, English editors, design and layout specialists, and proof readers, among others.

BBTI contends that the California Trust Agreement dated May 29, 1972 did not create a valid trust and that the book publishing and distribution operations of the Movement were in fact never operated according to the provisions of that document. However, in the event the Court finds that that Trust Agreement created a legally valid trust which at the time in question (i.e., 1976) owned some or all of the copyrights registered at that time in the name Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, ISKCON, Inc. was the beneficiary of that trust, and therefore held beneficial title to those copyrights.

INTERROGATORY NO. 20:
Set forth in detail the authority by which Mr. Murphy acted when he executed assignments transferring ownership of intellectual property to ISKCON of California, Inc. in July of 1976 as alleged in paragraph 41 of your complaint.

RESPONSE TO INTERROGATORY NO. 20:
BBTI objects to this interrogatory to the extent that it calls for the disclosure of any information protected by the attorney-client privilege or attorney work product doctrine. Plaintiff BBTI objects to this interrogatory on the ground that it is vague and ambiguous with to the phrases “set forth in detail” and “the authority by which Mr. Murphy acted”. Discovery and investigation are ongoing in this matter and BBTI reserves the right …..

THE END

We like to thank Hansadutta Prabhu for defending Srila Prabhupada in Court! Why nobody helped him?
http://hansadutta.com/DOWNLOADS/BBTI_Works-for-Hire-argument.pdf

http://www.iskcon-truth.com/documents/BBTI_Works-for-Hire-argument.pdf

BBT -vs- BBTi

Who is the BBTi ? Who are the members of BBTi ?

Some of the main members of BBTi are as follows: Brahma Muhurta Dasa, Naresvara Dasa, Svavasa Dasa, and Jayadvaita Swami. In the court settlement it is stated: “Hansadutta Dasa, Veda Guhya Dasa, Bhagavan Dasa, and Dasa Dasanudasa Dasa Dasi have voluntarily stepped down from any role they might have had as trustees of the 1972 trust. And all concerned have agreed that now the (new) trustees (of the BBT) will be four trustees from the BBT-I International: Brahma Muhurta Dasa, Naresvara Dasa, Svavasa Dasa, and Jayadvaita Swami.”

Bogus GBC's Dog And Pony -- Show Bottle -- Program 

Shivaratri Festival (slide show)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/maha-shivaratri-2014_n_4855958.html

Poison Issue Now Updated

Dear Puranjana Prabhu,

For your information: The Poison Investigation Report has been published, about Tamal Krsna, Bhakticaru and Jayapataka.

Tamal:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/BIF_TKG.html

Bhakticaru:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/BIF_BCS.html

Jayapataka:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/BIF_JPS.html

Please kindly read the Tamal report and see what he says about Srila Prabhupada. You will get the creeps.
Hare Krishna Your servant webmaster prabhupadanugas.eu

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Mayapura Meetings News Blackout?

[Position Paper to Establish the Acharya of ISKCON?]

Supposedly, the GBC meetings in Mayapur have been going on for 6 days now, but there seems to be a complete news blackout. Weird.

[UPDATE: Ravindra Svarupa, his wife and disciple Sraddha devi were thrown out of the Philadelphia Temple on Februrary 8th. They left on completely bad terms and burned all bridges and are not really even welcome to even visit again. The final insult was RSD's last chance grab out the door, having Sraddha devi post a link on facebook begging everyone to monetarily assist in their move out of the Temple and sponsor a "retirement" fund in his honor. All three skipped town and moved to Maryland, he is rumored to be extremely worried about possible legal issues. Once they all moved to Maryland, Sraddha and Ravindra packed up and headed to Mayapura and Ravindra's wife alledgedly stayed behind to unpack I guess. Ravindra and Sraddha have been seen hanging out everywhere together on the periphery of the Mayapura festival to the absolute disgust and disbelief of everyone. Even for the hardcore hyprocrites of ISKCON leadership this has been too much to handle. The final insult to the victims and ... ]

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PADA: Yes, the only news we heard so far is that the GBC has re-coronated Ravindra Swarupa as "the most intelligent writer in ISKCON," and they handed out copies of his paper "Srila Prabhupada." Normally we hear reports: (A) Day one, Strategic World Management Committee (SWMC) for burying dead homosexual pedophiles in the holy dham commenced meeting. (B) Day two, SWMC committee to declare acharyas as debauchees, drug addicts and whore mongers commences meeting. Beedi smoking is optional. (C) Day three, SWMC declares Shasta Advisor Committee (SAC) for SWMC as bogus since they want to make women as gurus -- who might object to the policy of burying dead pedophiles in the holy dham. Watching football on your cell phone optional. (D) Day four, SWMC declares feet washing ceremony for their lawyers who are suing  the Prabhupadanugas. Counting your Swiss Bank accounts assets day optional.

This year, ooops, nothing to report?

The problem is that most of the people in Philadelphia cannot stand Ravindra Swarupa, they do not want to hear one word he has to say, and they want to have him banished from the temple for his numerous abuses and deviations. He is in the process of being booted out of the Philadelphia temple AS WE SPEAK for all these abuses and deviations. In sum, he has no credibility. This is the only rabbit the GBC has to pull out of their hat, lets revive Ravindra as our hero writer?

The paper he wrote goes into extensive detail how we should not become like the Gaudiya Matha, except that Ravindra Swarupa's program has all along promoted folks like: Sridhara Maharaja; Gopi-bhava club wanna-be leader Narayana Maharaja; BV and BP Puri; Fakir Mohan; various Radha Kunda babajis and many similar others. Some of these Gaudiya Matha people (ok and Naryana Maharaja) were the people who objected to Srila Prabhupada using the title of "Prabhupada."

So Ravindra writes a paper saying we should not support the people who go to the Gaudiya Matha, but Ravindra's GBC has been at the feet of the Gaudiya Matha leaders ever since 1977. Ravindra says we should not follow the Gaudiya Matha (and make false gurus), we need to have a GBC instead, but he is the leader of the bogus guru's program which has dismantled the GBC.

Meanwhile people seem to forget that Ravindra had been the main person writing "position papers" defending the worship of Kirtanananda as the acharya of ISKCON, basically saying that Srila Prabhupada cannot be the current acharya -- since we NOW have Ravindra's homosexual and criminal deviants to take his place. Apparently, no one remembers those writings? No one also seems to recall that Ravindra has been the biggest cheer leader of Satsvarupa and his whack-doodle art and writings.

In 1986 Ravindra said that me and Sulochana are offenders to a great  pure devotee like Kirtananada, which lead to the death of Sulochana. Ravindra said we were wrong to oppose the molester messiahs program, and so thousands of children were victimized, and so on and so forth. This is their plan to save the world, lets revive Ravindra as our main hero? The same guy who drove ISKCON off the cliff into the worship of homosexual pedophiles as messiahs, is now the main speaker for this group? Well that's good news for us, that means they cannot find another spokesman, nobody wants to come forward to defend this mob.  

http://www.founderacharya.com/

Last week at Sridama Mayapur, during the ISKCON Leadership Sanga of over 1000 ISKCON leaders from around the world, the GBC Foundational Document titled "Srila Prabhupada - Founder-Acarya of ISKCON" was released. It is being distributed as a free book and also in PDF.
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Srila Prabhupada's Audio Books Site

http://yourlisten.com/shick/#uploads

[PADA: Recently updated with Chaitanya Charitamrta readings. ys pd]

Natya Nectar Dance's Site

http://natyanectar.com/index1.html

[PADA: If you know details of this group please post a comment or let us know. ys pd]

PS: Some folks have lost their info to CONTACT PADA:
Write us @ angel108b@yahoo.com

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Srila Prabhupada Audio + Text (Vanipedia)

http://vanisource.org/wiki/Purport_to_Bhajahu_Re_Mana_--_San_Francisco,_March_16,_1967

Tagalog Translation of July 9th letter

[PADA: Hmmm, seems people are waking up all over the world. Slow but sure progress! Yep, Srila Prabhupada ordered that he would be the acharya "henceforward." And the names of future initiates would be placed in his "book of initiated devotees." How did you guess, that means fools, deviants and debauchees -- need not apply for the acharya's job! ys pd]

Tagalog translation of the July 9th letter
February 25, 2014 at 8:54pm

Ang JULY 9TH LETTER

Ito ang “JULY 9TH LETTER” na ipinadala sa lahat ng GBCs at mga temple presidents, na hanggang ngayon ay nanatiling bukod tanging may lagda na utos ni Srila Prabhupada hinggil sa pagbibigay ng inisyasyon sa hinaharap para sa buong samahan.

July 9th, 1977Para sa lahat ng G.B.C., at Temple Presidents

Minamahal na Maharajas at Prabhus,

Paki tanggap ang aking mapagpakumbabang pagbibigay galang sa inyong mga paanan. Kailan lang ang lahat ng miyembro ng GBC ay nakasama ni His Divine Grace sa Vrndavana, si Srila Prabhupada ay nagpahiwatig na sa madaling panahon ay hihirangin niya ang ilan sa kanyang mga nakakatandang disipulo upang gumanap bilang “Ritvik”- kinatawan ng acarya, para sa layunin na gampanan ang inisasyon, kapwa unang inisasyon at pangalawang inisasyon.May ibinigay na si His Divine Grace na listahan ng labing-isang disipulo na gaganap sa ganitong kapasidad:His Holiness Kirtanananda SwamiHis Holiness Satsvarupa das GosvamiHis Holiness Jayapataka SwamiHis Holiness Tamal Krsna GosvamiHis Holiness Hrdayananda GosvamiHis Holiness Bhavananda GosvamiHis Holiness Hamsadutta SwamiHis Holiness Ramesvara SwamiHis Holiness Harikesa SwamiHis Grace Bhagavan das AdhikariHis Grace Jayatirtha das AdhikariSa mga nakalipas na taon, ang mga temple presidents ay sumusulat kay Srila Prabhupada para irekomenda ang inisasyon ng deboto. Ngayon dahil meron nang mga pinangalanan si Srila Prabhupada na kanyang mga kinatawan, ang mga temple presidents mag mula ngayon ay maari nang ipadala ang kanilang rekomendasyon para sa una at pangalawang inisasyon sa alinman sa labing isa na kinatawan na mas malapit sa kanilang templo. Pagkatapos pag-aralan ang rekomendasyon, ang mga kinatawan na ito ay maari nang tanggapin ang deboto bilang initiated disciple ni Srila Prabhupada sa pamamagitan ng pagbigay ng spiritwal na pangalan, o sa kaso ng pangalawang inisasyon ay ang pagchant sa gayatri thread, gaya nang ginagawa ni Srila Prabhupada. Ang mga bagong initiated devotees ay mga disipulo ni His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, ang labing-isa na nakakatandang deboto ay gumanap lang bilang kinatawan niya. Pagkatapos matanggap ng temple president ang sulat mula sa mga kinatawan kung saan nakalagay ang spiritual name o ang thread, pwede na niyang gawin ang fire yajna sa temple na dati nang ginagawa. Ang pangalan ng bagong initiated disciple ay kailangan ipadala ng kinatawan na tumanggap sa kanila para kay Srila Prabhupada, upang mapabilang sa His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.

Naway nasa mabubuti kayong kalagayan pagkatanggap nyo ng sulat na ito.

Ang inyong utusan,(pirma makikita sa orihinal na dokumento)Tamal Krsna GosvamiSecretary to Srila Prabhupada

Pinagtibay:(Ang pirma ni Srila Prabhupada ay makikita sa orihinal na dokumento)

Pancali dd Debates Prahlad das

[PADA: "Little Krishna" Video -- 3,500,000 hits for part 1: http://youtu.be/67S2RDPqoOU]

Prahlad: The IRM does not agree with the "Krishna cartoons" made with the help of ISKCON Bangalore.

Pancali Devi Dasi Acbsp: Are you really kidding me. Are you actually going to condemn these devotees? I absolutely love little Krishna. I have all the dvds and my daughter Lalita Sri Vishakha devi dasi gets ecstatic when she watches them. She says Krsna's name probably more than you do in a day Prabhu. There is no harm. Personally I think Prabhupada would think it was great for the kids. Its tasteful and delightful. Sita lila and Kaunteya das when they first saw they could actually relate to what we try to teach them. You are picking at straws. As for Dalai Lama speaking against varnasrama dharm has ISKCON Bangalore taking on his philosophy and preaching it in their temple? No! Why don't you bring up all the good they have done? Anyway like I said I am not going to debate with my own Godbrother I just expressed an opinion and as I said take it or leave it. Use your fault finding propensity for where it is needed. No offense Prabhu.

[PADA: Right on Pancali dd! Correct. The "Little Krishna" cartoons are being seen in huge numbers of children all over India on TV, where most of the viewers are maybe 3 -10 years old. Many of these little children would otherwise have NO access to ANY children's version of the "Krishna Leela" story -- if these Leelas had not been made into cartoons. Unfortunately Prahlad das has no idea that small children like to watch cartoons, and they will watch cartoons no matter what, because that is what small children do these days. 

Prahlad is apparently angry these children are not watching cartoons like Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse and the Road runner? Why shouldn't we introduce Krishna leela to these children, who would otherwise be watching mundane cartoons? Why does Prahlad want children to watch Bugs Bunny -- and not Krishna Leela? 

This is the whole problem with the Prahlad and the IRM program (and for that matter people like Wyatt), they just want to shut down what we are doing, but they have nothing better to offer? Just go back home, back to Bugs Bunny, that is their whole plan? They are envious that we are preaching to so many children, while they are NOT doing diddley squat for children, nor could they do anything even if they wanted to, since they have no potency to preach to children. 

In short, they have no recognized program for children going on anywhere, what to speak of having something that is watched by thousands of children on TV, and on DVDs and so on. Pancali is quite correct, these cartoons are made for children -- who are thus learning to love Krishna via these cartoons. Easy to figure this out, children are delighted and happy to see Krishna. The only persons who are not happy to see these children taking delight in seeing Krishna, are these IRM grinches. One thing Srila Prabhupada did say, and often, is that SOME Krishna is better than NO Krishna!

Prahlad and the IRM have zero preaching program for children going on, none that we can see at least. They would rather see NO Krishna than SOME Krishna, and evidently they want children to love Bugs Bunny and not Krishna. That is what the GBC does every day, they shut down programs, and then there is no program. Scorched earth policy. They want Bugs Bunny to win and Krishna to fail, clearly shows what side they are on.]

Prahlad Das: "In our original BTP article we simply presented Srila Prabhupada’s statements verbatim as they applied to Little Krishna. And here we have simply presented Bangalore Devotee’s admissions verbatim confirming every point made in our original article. Thus, with even those behind the LK project themselves agreeing, there can be no dispute over the conclusion of the original BTP article: that LK constituted a “non-Prabhupada presentation of Lord Krishna and His pastimes”."

ISKCON Bangalore have no shortage of money and manpower but where are their self-sufficient farm communities? goshallas? gurukuls? hari-nama sankirtans? book distribution programs? (as Prabhupada instructed). They have only created an army of neophytes to collect donations for their Akshay Patra business.

[PADA: Prahlad has simply described himself and his IRM, they have no self-sufficient farms, no goshallas, no gurukulis, no hari-nama, no book distribution, no nothing. Empty suits. Worse, Krishna Kanta wants to stop others from preaching about Krishna to children, so the children will be watching Bugs Bunny. GBC's scorched earth policy pt. II. In 1997 Krishna Kanta sabotaged the whole Bangalore vs Mumbhai court case, KK said he wanted us all to "work with" Hrdayananda, Jayapataka, Ravindra swarupa et al. and "make them ritviks." KK said PADA has to drop the poison issue, molesting issue, and STOP THE BOOK CHANGES LAWSUIT which we were putting together at that time. In sum, Krishna Kanta wanted to compromise with the founder fathers of the molester messiah's club. 

Now Prahlad finally admits he is with the IRM, who wanted the molester messiah's project's leaders to still be in charge, and to have their bogus revised versions of the books and not the originals. AND he wants to defend the poisoners by joining the IRM in silencing us. Prahlad admits herein to being with the people who tried to stop us from getting original books. Krishna Kanta told us repeatedly, he wanted to make a compromise deal with the GBC gurus, and he told us to "go to a Carribbean Island and shut up." Why do these people always want to act as help-mates for the poisoners of pure devotees -- by suppressing our forwarding that issue? Sorry, licking the boots of Judas and Pointius Pilate is not going to help much in the next life.

Krishna Kanta convinced Bangalore NOT to bring forward the CRIMINAL aspect of the GBC gurus, ok like their criminal history, the molesting issue, poison issue etc. And as a result of Krishna Kanta's sympathy for the Devil, he helped water down the Bangalore lawsuit. As a result, Bangalore has had to rely on its Askhaya Patra division to give them more support from the India media, government leaders etc. It has become an important part of their public profile, which Bangalore needed (thanks to KK watering down the original complaint) to combat the GBC guru attack.

This attack was aided and abetted by KK watering down the case because of his desire to "work with" the GBC's gurus. KK also attacked PADA when we said the molestation victims are suffering and sometimes dying, he said (and still says) he did not want us to address that issue the way we had to -- clearly because -- he wanted the children to suffer and die, as does his top child oppressing disciple Prahlad. The Prahlad folks were (and still are) infuriated as soon as we said the suicides were going down, they wanted these children to suffer and even die. So at every step, they want to oppress children. Bugs Bunny ki-jaya!]

Narada-kunda Dasi they have to do what their investors tell them to

[PADA: These Bangalore folks are all worshiping Srila Prabhupada. Why does the IRM, and their GBC brothers, object to that? At least Bangalore has investors, who is supporting the IRM? No one sees the IRM doing any public kirtanas, book distribution, home programs, where is their program? Prahlad is not even helping KK start a home program process in UK, they are not doing anything of notice. Its a giant bluff.]

Bhakta Peter sadhus naturally have no taste to see politicians.

[PADA: At least the Dalai Lama has heard about their programs, while no one knows about the IRM. Srila Prabhupada visited with important dignitaries all the time, and Bangalore is simply following that example. Now the IRM is saying Srila Prabhupada's program of inviting important dignitaries is bogus, what else is new? Meanwhile, the only visitors to the IRM cheif's headquarters are -- the neighbor's cats? Who is visiting the IRM? At all?]

Lenny Sislac @"Are you really kidding me" Pancali Devi Dasi Acbsp Don't get fooled by a bunch of loners. It has become a fashion to pretend on cyberspace to be right in the middle of the world's control room and to show others the ropes. Whereas in fact this is all facade. Nobody listens to these folks in the real world.

Prahlad Das Lenny trolling again.

Lenny Sislac @"an army of neophytes to collect donations for their Akshaya Patra business" When having no details you better be quiet. This is all wrong information.

Prahlad Das Who says I've got no details? Prove that the information is wrong.

[PADA: We have already proven in spades that Prahlad wanted the post 1990s suicides to continue and get worse, he admits again herein he is siding with -- and even quoting from -- the people who told us not to help that issue. We said Prahlad wants to drink the blood of these victimized children, and now we find out -- he also wants to have children watch Bugs Bunny rather than Krishna, he has just proven that herein. He is a jack - booted child oppressor, just as we said. Of course he is also defending the neo-Nazi Illuminati folks web sites folks too. He thinks we need to worry about the serpent people running our lives, instead of teaching people to depend on Krishna.]

Lenny Sislac Prahlad Das again hallucinating?

Prahlad Das Troll on Leonard...

Pancali Devi Dasi Acbsp The problem with IRM is they cheat. They give part of a quote to make out that Prabhupada is saying something else when in fact if one reads the whole quote they will see that it isn't how IRM promoted it to mean. Second IRM lies in their BTP magazines. For example in one of there issues they showed the devotees "writing into them" saying how wonderful they are, but when I kept reading the comments -- hello my husband had written to them...LOL...But he hadn't even written but they used his name. Now that's pretty sad wouldn't you say Prahlad Das Prabhu? So even in your own backyard the cheating is going on. It also would be good for you to prove....an army of neophytes to collect donations for their Akshaya Patra business" so this way what you are saying can be taken as honest.

[PADA: Right, at least we have an army of neophytes, the IRM has no army of any rank. The IRM made a big mistake when they said that they had "quotes of evidence" that the ritvik system would continue for 10,000 years. As a result, they made the GBC and Rocana tear up the IRM's documents, which have no quotes to back up that claim. KK has messed up the ritvik program by making these types of false arguments -- with no quotes to back them up. 

KK also messed up our program in China by attacking some of our people there, the same people who were paying to print books. He is trying to mess up China book printing, so that he can attack others, just like he wanted to mess us up to get original books, which helps the bogus books. Books are not important, KK is? Anyway, good job Pancali dd, we are impressed with your standing up for the right thing here. Nice work. 

Yep, even adults are experiencing lots of joy watching these Krishna Leela DVDs, that's better than having them watch football or who knows what, yes, we need more Krishna and not less. Good! Lets face it, these KK, Prahlad, Rocana,Kailash chandra types -- and similar others -- they are simply anarchists who do not want to see any working program, they are like the Gaudiya Matha folks -- whom Srila Prabhupada said were envious and so they wanted to sabotage anyone else's preaching effort, meanwhile they could not accomplish squat themselves. Prahlad, go back to UK and get KK to do some home preaching programs, rent a hall etc. and try to help others for a change. And quit rooting for the evil doers. ys pd]

More Examples of BBTI Book Changes

http://arsaprayoga.com/2014/02/21/bbti-makes-extreme-changes-to-perfect-questions-perfect-answers/

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Srila Prabhupada: How can they prevent death? They do not know how to prevent it. They can accelerate it, that's all. Here is your problem, Mr. Scientist: janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi -- the cycle of birth, death, old age, and disease. Solve it! Where is the scientist who can do that? Instead they take some childish problem and try to avoid the real problem.

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" So what? We work tonight and sleep tomorrow. " 

Hakoblo Sabludoski, a nice Jewish man, was Mexico's number one Emcee newscaster and respected throughout the world. I had been on his show, and I had explained, "Our mission is to bring happiness to the Mexican people. They are very joyful people, but we have come to give them even more happiness by the grace of my spiritual master."

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[PADA: Bullets did not penetrate Bible in his shirt pocket! Wow! ys pd] 

Hindu Leader Consults PADA

PADA editor had an interesting exchange with ISKCON guru cheer leader Sudarsan das. He promotes the idea that we have to follow the GBC's "tradition," apparently a tradition of the worship of illicit sex, homosex, drugs, criminals and debauchees as our acharyas. PADA argued, that's not our tradition for starters. And Sudarsan's alleged tradition is only working because -- as soon as members of his "tradition" find out that we want to worship a pure devotee, then we are immediately shunned, banned, if not beaten and killed.

In sum, their "tradition" only works by criminal oppression, i.e. stepping on the skulls of thousands of victims, and by vicious goonda sub-violent cult behavior, never mind their system creates crimes, child molesting, all sorts of lawsuits, bad publicity, and more importantly -- empty temples. In other words, as soon as we describe the actual working example and history of the Sudarsan guru program, their program has no explanation for how all these evils have evolved from "a guru succession from God."

And so Sudarsan sort of went away -- not able to offer any explanation. Same problem we are having with people like Wyatt, he cannot even begin to explain what his system is, what is the history of his system, what is the example of his system etc. They just run away when we ask them about their system, because their system does not work. They cannot defend their system, because it has major pot-holes in it.

Anyway, an important Hindu leader was sent this conversation and he has asked us for details of what has been going on over here in ISKCON. So every day, day in and day out, another person wakes up to their bogus guru's and their history, that means their system is doomed. And every day another person accepts our system, so its just a question of time. We are winning and will win totally over time. ys pd  

Nityananda's "Poison Book" Now Online

Dear Puranjana Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The first part of Nityananda's book ready is now ready for your download 
and publishing. Sorry it took a little longer than expected, because the audio files for hearing had to be included.

First part is here:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-part1.html

Or as archive for your computer:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/download/prabhupada-poisoned-part1.zip

Audio files:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/mp3-poison-files/mp3-poison-files.zip

JPG graphic files:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/photos/photos.zip


Hare Krishna
Your servant
webmaster prabhupadanugas.eu

[PADA: Great job. The poison issue is actually the root issue of all the subsequent deviations. All these numerous evil and poisonous fruits that fell like rain all over ISKCON, and stunted, killed off and destroyed huge chunks of ISKCON, actually so many countless deviations no one could even count them, all came from the root of this evil tree. This is the root from which all the other toxic elements grew and fed from, and still are feeding from.]

[PADA: And here is what some of the evil fruits that sprang up from this root look like.] 

Please Write to the South Asian Bar Association

[PADA: We invite all Prabhupadanuga devotees to write to the South Asian Bar folks (address below), and other concerned parties named here, and inform them that the Badrinaryana das / Harivilas / Kuladri et al. GBC has been saying since 1977 -- that Lord Krishna's successors and acharyas are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" -- because they hate Hindu culture and Lord Krishna -- while artificially posing as its advocates. And that is why want to make an odious public image ALL OVER THE PLANET that Lord Krishna's "guru successors" are the worst debauchees in the world, as they have done since 1977. 

We should inform the next wave of GBC's victims that these bogus GBC people are the biggest leaders of the Krishna haters club, and their regime has had us "dissenters" banned, beaten and assassinated -- as soon as we say that their bogus "successors to Krishna" -- aka drug addicts, man to man sex, genital lickers, child molesters, homosexual pedophiles, assorted criminals and deviants, orchestrators of beatings and murders etc. are NOT the successors to God Almighty. Yep, as soon as we say butt sex is not the qualification of Krishna's successors, we are shunned, banned and killed by this group, and they may sometimes call the police to have us removed and etc. -- and that is ALL there is to this whole GBC program since 1977. 

This is a great opportunity for us to expose their pedophile messiahs club and its leaders like Harivilas. Lets expose "the real reason" the post-1977 GBC's program shuns, bans, harasses, sues, if not beats and assassinates us dissenters, they want to have their debauchees sitting in their seat of Srila Vyasadeva, God's successors, and Jesus -- as their messiahs. And they are currently spending $20 million dollars in India to "prove in court" that Krishna's successors are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. 

Lets help these victims expose these rats, of course even rats are more advanced than Harivilas's acharyas since rats do not engage in illicit sex with men women and children, we are giving them too much credit calling them rats. We are going to write a cover letter and post it later. ys pd]      

Letter to ISKCON Phoenix from South Asian Bar Assn. of Arizona

BY: CONCERNED DEVOTEE

The following letter was sent to Pratibha Somaiya, Prema Dhatri, the Temple President of ISKCON Phoenix in Arizona. It was penned by the Vice-president and co-founder of the South Asian Bar Association of Arizona (SABA AZ). The letter discusses the continued battle and methodology by the present temple management and GBC Hari Vilas to ban certain members of the temple congregation.

This summation letter of legal findings, which was sent to temple presidents and GBC members around the world, was countered by an email from Badrinarayan (also below). The letter from SABA offers quotes found in court records, while Badrinarayan dasa seems to hope that his rebuttal will be accepted and beloved on face value, and on the integrity of his own "word" and the words of fellow co-worker North American GBCs.

The text of the letter from the South Asian Bar Association of Arizona follows. A copy of the document on letterhead can be downloaded here in PDF.



THE SOUTH ASIAN BAR ASSOCIATION OF ARIZONA
3131 East Camelback Road
Suite 350
Phoenix, AZ 85016
(602) 808-5540
ArizonaSABA@Gmail.com

February 18, 2014

Mrs. Pratibha Somaiya
ISKCON Phoenix
100 S. Weber Drive
Chandler, Arizona

Dear Mrs. Somaiya,

The South Asian Bar Association of Arizona ("SABA-AZ") is an organization that advocates for the legal interests of South Asian communities in our state. Founded in 2008, our membership consists primarily of attorneys of South Asian origin. Among the many communities we are committed to representing are those who practice the Hindu faith.

We write this letter to express our views as practitioners of law and members of the South Asian community at large. We do so not only to articulate the South Asian legal community's perspective, but also to respond to a specific effort by you to invoke the powers of the legal system that we do not believe are in the best interests of justice or the community that we represent and often defend.

The Action Against Alleged Harassment

You are the president of the local chapter of the International Society of Krishna Consciousness, which runs a Hindu temple in Chandler, Arizona. The temple is supported at least in part by charity and donations from members of the community. Because of reports of legal actions brought to our attention, we undertook a full review of the court filings and exhibits filed in a matter captioned as Somaiya v. Misra, Chandler Municipal Court (Ariz.) Cause No. LC2013-000383-001. The action commenced with a petition for injunction against harassment against a member of the temple. The trial court held a hearing on February 13, 2013, at which you were represented by counsel but the defendant was not, and issued the injunction as requested.

An attorney, David Bodney, was ultimately retained to represent the defendant in an appeal to the Arizona Superior Court's Lower Court of Appeals division. Mr. Bodney is well-respected for his expertise on matters of free speech and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. His appeal was successful. The Court stated that you "did not substantiate" your accusation that the defendant had allegedly stolen food from the temple. The Court further declared that the accusation that he took a blessed garland from the temple was meritless. The Court noted, as do we, the lack of due process and lack of respect for procedural fairness that had taken place in the lower court proceeding. It concluded its lengthy opinion by reversing the judgment of the Chandler Municipal Court. The petition for an injunction was therefore rejected.

Threats of Criminal Prosecution: Diwali, one of the most important festivals and holidays of the Hindu faith, was celebrated at the temple on Sunday, November 3, 2013. It is widely accepted and known among followers of Hinduism that all people are free to participate in any such celebration at a Hindu temple. Centuries of tradition and cultural practices among Hindus support the notion that such festivals are open, public affairs. Yet, the Chandler Police Department was called to the temple in the midst of the celebration on November 3, in yet another unsuccessful effort to invoke the legal system against members of the community. We understand that Chandler police officers arrived at the scene but opted not to enter the premises in an effort to "expel" anyone, due to the large numbers of people present.

The efforts to invoke the law and law enforcement against temple members then continued. On November 8, 2013, the temple's attorney sent a letter on his law firm's letterhead to multiple individuals and devotees, this time invoking the criminal law of trespass. This letter stated that any recipient of the letter was on "formal notice" of "denied access to the Hare Krishna Temple located on the Private Property." It cited Ariz. Rev. Stat. § 13-1501 to 13-1504 as the basis for this statement. These statutes govern the law of criminal trespass in Arizona. Section 13-1504, cited by your attorney, concerns criminal trespass in the first degree and defines it as a potential Class 6 felony crime. In Arizona, a Class 6 felony crime carries with it the threat of up to two years of imprisonment. See Ariz. Rev. Stat. § 13-702(D).

Our Position

SABA-AZ is concerned by the attempted legal actions taken against members of the community. Those legal actions include the meritless action filed in Chandler Municipal Court, the frivolous attempt to involve the Chandler Police Department on November 3, 2013, and the offensive November 8, 2013 letter authored by an attorney for the temple at your direction.

The strongly-worded appellate ruling issued by the Arizona Superior Court speaks for itself. The petition for an injunction against harassment was found to be meritless and violated the constitutional rights of a temple member. Broadly speaking, we find the attempt to invoke the injunctive powers of a court of law to resolve your personal differences with that member to be inappropriate, in light of your position of authority as the leader of a Hindu temple.

As to the specific accusations leveled in that action, we agree with the appellate court in finding these to be inappropriate topics on which to invoke the legal system. The temple's attorney attempted to persuade the Court that food prepared at the temple was your personal property, and that the person eating it as a devotee of the temple constituted the crime of "theft." Such accusations run contrary to the spirit in which prasadam is offered to persons after temple prayers. He also attempted to persuade the Court that the member had stolen a blessed garland, despite the unequivocal testimony of multiple witnesses who disagreed with this allegation. We believe that the taking of an item such as a sanctified garland should not expose a member of the community to accusations of the crime of theft.

Perhaps most concerning to us was the accusation that the member did not donate "much" to the temple. It is apparent from court records that the target of this litigation spent considerable time at the temple, and that he spent that time furthering the daily functions of the temple in different ways. The notion that a person is exposed to court actions against "harassment" on grounds that he chooses to come to the temple, even though he does not provide what someone considers to be sufficient amounts of donations, is contrary to the spirit in which Hindu temples should be available to the public at large. At a minimum, a person should not be exposed to legal action based on the amount he or she chooses to donate to a Hindu temple.

The effort to involve the Chandler Police Department, including the letter from the temple's attorney threatening multiple devotees with charges of criminal trespass, is another legal tactic to which we object. Arizona's system of justice, including its law enforcement officials, provides both the temple and its devotees with safety and security in times of need. It is our understanding, for example, that officers from the Chandler Police Department provided extra security for temple devotees in the aftermath of the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting tragedy in August of 2012. We therefore disagree with any attempt to waste the valuable resources of Arizona's law enforcement community for the purpose of resolving your personal disputes with members of the community. That you would do so during the auspicious occasion of a Diwali celebration is particularly disturbing.

CONCLUSION

It is our hope that these inappropriate attempts to invoke the legal system against members of the community are not repeated again. As to the criminal trespass notice your lawyer sent to multiple individuals, we call on you to withdraw it. While it is not our desire to interfere with the inner workings of this or any other temple, we do not believe that suing temple devotees and having attorneys send threatening letters to individuals is a constructive method of resolving disputes or disagreements. Above all, we believe that temples should be forums for the community at which all citizens are welcomed, regardless of their political or other views, as long as such views are expressed in a respectful and civil manner. If our organization can facilitate in mediating a peaceful discussion, where disagreements can be aired and resolutions hopefully reached, please let me know and we will offer a volunteer or volunteers to do so.

Sincerely,
Neil Singh
Vice-President and Co-Founder, SABA-AZ
Ph: (602) 252-1080

cc: Don Fletcher, Esq. (Lake & Cobb, P.L.C., Tempe, AZ)
Hari Vilas Das (Vedic Cultural Center, Sammamish, WA)

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Following is the email from Badrinarayana dasa:

Badrinarayan dasa to me, basu.ghosh.acb., ramabhadra, carudas, surapal, whogle, prthusrava, btillman108, naikatma.acbsp, ranjit.acbsp, syamtkg, Larry, kirtiraj1952, Bhava, rosen108, padyavali.acbsp, Pancaratna, Sikhi, golokanandapri., tustakrsna, Jagdish, info, rvigrahadas, Yogi, gopal211

Hare Krishna. For the record. the letter that was attached to this message is inaccurate and unfair. Premadhatri mataji and her husband Radha Madhava prabhu, have repeatedly manifest the mood of "trnad api sunicena" while being mercilessly slandered and harassed. We are very fortunate to have such sincere and saintly devotees in charge of ISKCON's Phoenix temple.

For the full and fair story, please contact Nityananda prabhu, the chair of the North American GBC, or Kuladri prabhu, ISKCON's compliance officer. They have both been dealing with this situation closely.

Nityananda prabhu: ndasa108@gmail.com
Kuladri prabhu: kuladridas@gmail.com

Your servant,
Badrinarayan dasa

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Krishna Kant (IRM) on "Various Camps and Groups"

Krishna Kant (IRM): The reasons why Srila Prabhupada’s disciples have disobeyed him and instead created a bogus Guru system vary from individual to individual, but the basic motives are similar: position, control, followers, honour, distinction etc. Unfortunately, if these desires remain, then even if one rejects the bogus Guru system in ISKCON, one will simply replace it with another deviation, which still allows these desires for distinction, honour etc to be satisfied.

Thus we are seeing many attempts to “reform” or replace the ISKCON Guru with other solutions, usually by persons who themselves could not “make it” in the current Guru system, or who want to become independent of GBC and Guru control, which fall short of the real solution – the original ISKCON, as left us by Srila Prabhupada in 1977: an international society of devotees working together coast to coast, governed by a bona-fide GBC, following the initiation system exactly as left by Srila Prabhupada in 1977 via the July 9th directive. We outline here these many varieties of deviation.

[PADA: OK, however all of the people who left ISKCON have to work independently in any case. We simply cannot make "the original ISKCON" without having legal control over the ISKCON title and name. The idea we have to operate as "ISKCON" is a little impractical to say the least. We cannot legally do that at the present time. Right now the GBC is also spending $20 million dollars suing our associated devotees who want to use the name of ISKCON. To imply that anyone who does not use the name of ISKCON is creating another deviation is mis-leading. Can Krishna Kanta start to use the name of ISKCON himself? No, he will be sued, he is not using that name either.]

*** KK: 1) We need ANOTHER Srila Prabhupada. This takes two forms

a) Look for an elderly Indian who will not fall down. We have seen a mass exodus from ISKCON motivated by its crumbling and failing Guru system, to the relatively “safe” (in terms of fall down) elderly Indian Swamis; HH Narayana Maharaja of the Gaudiya Matha being the most prominent.

b) Wait for the self-effulgent acarya. Those who do not like the current Gurus, basically use the ritvik system as an excuse to reject the current Gurus, with Srila Prabhupada being merely a convenient “stop-gap” while they wait for the “real” Guru to emerge – which of course could very well be one of the same people who are following this philosophy! This is also known as “soft” or temporary ritvik.

2) Srila Prabhupada is ALMOST the Guru: In this variation, Srila Prabhupada is again used to reject the current Gurus, but the back door is still kept open for the followers of this system to maybe also become some sort of Gurus one day. This takes many forms such as:

a) Srila Prabhupada is the MAIN Guru: But we still need “pancaratika” Gurus/officiating acaryas who would still have “disciples”, even though Srila Prabhupada is the MAIN object of worship.

b) Srila Prabhupada is the PROMINENT Guru: But the current gurus can also remain side-by-side, and the disciples will effectively have two Gurus – Srila Prabhupada as Major Guru, and the current Gurus as Minor Guru. Arguing that we must have 2 diksa Gurus -one who gives the transcendental knowledge, and another who gives the “formal diksa”, or that we must follow the Ramanuja sampradaya system of one “acarya-Guru” for everyone along with “individual Gurus”, also fall under this category.

3) Set up your own matha / society. Appearing to come closer to the real solution is the variation which correctly accepts that Srila Prabhupada is the only Guru for all time in ISKCON, and then uses that to reject all authority, and set up one’s own matha / temple /society, completely independent of anyone’s else control.
This allows one or a small number of connected individuals to seize control of devotees and assets and assume absolute power for themselves.

[PADA: OK, most devotees are independent of the authority of Krishna Kanta and his IRM. What is the reason they should start to work under his supervision? Why doesn't Krishna Kanta form a cooperative network and work with some of these "independent programs" and try to form some sort of alliance? 

The present and immediate future for most of us Prabhupadanugas is, -- most of us ALREADY have to operate as independent programs. We are really not capable of "seizing control" of much of anything. For the most part, the Prabhupadanugas are preaching utilizing small scale operations -- such as small-scale home programs and so on. 

There are almost no "devotees and assets" remaining to seize. This is again mis-leading, there is no big seizure of manpower and assets going on, even formal ISKCON has fewer and fewer assets and people every day. This approach is out of touch with the actual situation.]

*** KK: Also, but not always, another feature of this system is that the ‘GBC / Ritvik / Temple President’ are usually collapsed into one single person or group of persons controlled by one person, who will then act as a self-appointed “ritvik acarya” to dispense “ritvik initiations” like confetti to anyone and everyone.

[PADA: That may be happening in some cases, however for the most part people are being scrutinized before getting a ritvik initiation. Again this is misleading, there are not many ritvik initiations going on at all, period, what to speak of being dispensed like confetti. This is simply out of touch with the reality on the ground.]

*** KK: This allows the “ritvik-acarya” to promote himself as the “giver of initiation” (rather like the bogus Gurus do), and hence take on some status vis-a-vis those seeking initiation “from Srila Prabhupada.” Eventually however, by its very nature, this system merely spawns another Gaudiya Matha scenario, when others realize that if anyone can set themselves up with a matha/temple and offer initiation, then even they can do so, and eventually you result in a series of many individual mathas all competing with each other to offer the gift of being initiated as Srila Prabhupada’s disciple.

[PADA: OK so what system does Krishna Kanta propose as an alternate?]

*** KK: Another variation is to simply use the problems in ISKCON as an excuse to say we must reject ISKCON in toto and form our own new society, just like Srila Prabhupada did with the Gaudiya Matha.

[PADA: Krishna Kant first started out saying he was the IRG, the ISKCON Reform Group, then he became the IRM, the ISKCON Reform Movement, now he says he is a Prabhupadanuga, which is what we called our group at the outset in the early 1980s. However, he never calls himself ISKCON. He cannot do that, we cannot do that, its illegal and not practical to order people to use a legal name they do not have the rights to use. This is out of touch with the reality on the ground.] 

*** KK: It is pointed out that Srila Prabhupada did not try and preach to the Gaudiya Matha, but just formed his own new society called ISKCON. This analogy however fails due to one big difference – Srila Prabhupada is the Acarya, and therefore can set up his own society, as acaryas do – but we are not acaryas, only disciples, and therefore must simply try and work under the parameters given by Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Except that Krishna Kanta has not been able to use the title of ISKCON all along, nor does he do so now. So he says we have to operate as ISKCON, but he does not have to? This is out of touch with the reality on the ground, never mind also hypocritical.] 

*** KK: 4) Only my issue matters: Another variation is to accept that ISKCON’s Guru system is completely bogus, but the solution is to not to re-build the real ISKCON with Srila Prabhupada as the Guru. Rather this issue is considered “less important” compared to what ever individual “issue” is being pushed at the time – such as ”cow-protection,” “poison issue,” “women’s issue,” “varnasrama,” etc. Usually there can be as many “answers,” and “solutions,” all portending to offer the “REAL” fix as there are individuals.

[PADA: We never said that the poison issue would fix anything, but it is something that needs to be addressed. To say that Srila Prabhupada's varnasrama plan is an individual agenda is wrong and tries to confute his plan. Varnasrama and cow protection are important for Srila Prabhupada's plans, and we should be glad some people are reminding us of that. These are not individual agendas, they are the instructions of the pure devotee. 

If these items are not the important issues, what is the important issue? Stopping our idea of using the criminality argument is why the Bangalore case has dragged on for decades. In 1997 Krishna Kanta told the Bangalore folks not to bring out the molesting issue, poison issue, criminal issue, and the result was and is -- the Bangalore court case has dragged on endlessly because they failed to bring out the key issues at the outset.]  

*** KK: However, beginning with the solution that Srila Prabhupada is alone the real Guru for all of humanity for the next many thousands of years has to be the foundation required before anything else can be resolved. Only once this foundation is in place, can we even begin to fix individual symptoms of this root disease of disobedience to Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: That is the foundation, but all the other parts of the building are also required. We need temples, farms and other similar programs. We need to address the lack of varnasrama, lack of cow protection, and so on and so forth -- as well as all the other issues. In sum, we need everyone to participate, and that is why we should form an alliance and not jettison important things like the poison complaint, the book changes issue, and similar related issues, all these issues are connected together. 

We need to address all the important issues, not toss them out and not address them. The people who are addressing the poison issue, book changes issue, lack of temples issue, and all these issues, already accept the foundation. We need to now build from there. We already have an alliance of devotees around the world who already accepted the foundation a long time ago, its now time to refine and build upon that foundation.] 

*** KK: Due to all the many different varieties of half-baked and incomplete alternatives to ISKCON’s false Guru system listed above, we have many fractured camps, all claiming to offer an alternative to ISKCON. However replacing the current ISKCON with another deviation in the form of a “ritvik” Gaudiya Matha, with dozens of little societies each with their own self-appointed acaryas/leaders, is not the answer – for two wrongs never make a right.

[PADA: And you are one of the competing camps, you are not cooperating with others.]

The actual solution: Give Srila Prabhupada back the ISKCON he bequeathed us in 1977, with the same standards, systems and structure in place, for initiation and everything else, with no shortcuts and half-measures, due to a desire to get some short-term benefit in our own lifetimes as quickly as possible. Rather, our mission is to create a real bona fide functioning ISKCON, which was Srila Prabhupada’s mission, which will benefit future generations for thousands of years.

[PADA: OK, except our idea was to get people to follow Srila Prabhupada first of all, then the society will manifest later on spontaneously. And that is now happening, a worldwide alliance is now forming. Srila Prabhupada said if the preaching is good then management will follow like a shadow. The IRM folks, the Rocana sector, the Kailash chandra sector, the Mukunda / Prahlad sector, and many similar others like that, all of these types of folks need to at least rent a room or a big hall once a week and start to conduct public preaching programs, kirtanas, prasadam etc. That is the real foundation that is lacking in all these groups. They all have "the real idea," but the real idea is preaching. At least we have some sort of public preaching going on here, that is what we need now more than anything else. ys pd] 

Srila Prabhupada's Worship Unifies ISKCON (Kersi Mehta)

DEAR PRABHUPADANUGAS: - For more than three decades ISKCON has not been doing what Srila Prabhupada ordered. Since Srila Prabhupada left us physically the ISKCON GBC members didn't allow Him to initiate even one person via His ritvik, or representational - system. This is the only system of initiation He authorized to continue within the Society. 

If ISKCON GBC members once more start to follow His order, then naturally they will please Lord Krishna, and all spiritual success should naturally follow. Also, with everyone having the same direct relationship as Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, factionalism will be eliminated. For the first time in nearly thirty five years there will be united team spirit, with everyone working for the same goal - the service and glorification of Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna. 

Many ISKCON “gurus” have fallen prey to gross sinful activities; and when they leave they often take with them hundreds of thousands of dollars and many of their followers. Farms and temples have been slowed down and even shut down as well. This continual loss of properties, faith and personnel will be eliminated as faith is only placed in Srila Prabhupada, and not in fallible substitutes. 

Money currently siphoned off by the 80 or so “gurus” from their disciples in daksina (gifted money) will instead go to ISKCON's temples, making them healthy and strong. Srila Prabhupada wanted one big happy family built on love and trust. That's why He established the ritvik system with Him in the centre. 

That's why He spent days and nights writing the law books for the next ten thousand years. Please note the following instruction of Srila Prabhupada:- "I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and co-operate keeping the Acharya (Srila Prabhupada) in centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna Mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully." 

Thus Srila Prabhupada wanted all His first class disciples, even of future generations to act as officiating-acharyas (ritviks). This way the teachings of Srila Prabhupada will remain as it is, otherwise there is always the chances of interpolation in the pure teachings due to conditioned souls acting as maha bhagavatas due to the influence of KaliYuga. 

OM TAT SAT......ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA......HARE KRISHNA,

Always at your service,
Thanks with best regards,
Your Servant,
Kersi Mehta

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