[PADA: Another great article from Mahesh prabhu!]
"Under my order: guru hana – become a spiritual master"
By: Mahesh Raja
[PADA: Very good, if we say that Srila Prabhupada ordered all kinds of conditioned souls to be worshiped as his "good as God acharya successors" that is not just misleading, its an attack on his position. It means he could not distinguish real gurus from conditioned souls. That means the entire idea that conditioned souls are acharyas is an attack on the entire teachings of Krishna. ys pd]]
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa: “Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are
given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. (CC Madhya 7.128)
Refuting the “open order” to be Diksa guru in ISKCON under the pretext of the āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa quote: The Anti Ritviks often mislead devotees to believe that Srila Prabhupada gave the Order to be Diksa guru by quoting: yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa.
But this is NOT what the Purport says. The purport is about SIKSA GURU -- AND -- following that text of Madhya 7.128 in the Madhya 7.130 states that: IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. We are NOT going to accept any CHANGED BOOKS statements to suit ones personal agenda from sahajiyas like Bhakti Viksa who wants to screw out disciple manufacturing meaning:
Bhakti Vikasa swami Interpolation Vs the Truth
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti%20vikasa-interpolation-vs-the-truth
Bhakti Vikasa swami is a SAHAJIYA
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti-vikasa-is-a-SAHAJIYA
The yare dekha quote: CC Madhya 7.128 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India: yāre dekha, tāre kaha / ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
SYNONYMS
yāre—whomever; dekha—you meet; tāre—him; kaha—tell; kṛṣṇa-upadeśa—the instruction of the Bhagavad-gītā as it is spoken by the Lord or of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which advises one to worship Śrī Kṛṣṇa; āmāraājñāya—under My order; guruhañā—becoming a spiritual master; tāra‘-deliver; eideśa—this country.
TRANSLATION
“Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”
PURPORT
This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the mahā-mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra at home with their families.
One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped. One can also produce many nice preparations to offer Kṛṣṇa-grain, fruit, flowers and milk. Why should one indulge in unnecessary meat-eating and maintain horrible slaughterhouses? What is the use of smoking and drinking tea and coffee?
People are already intoxicated by material enjoyment, and if they indulge in further intoxication, what chance is there for self-realization? Similarly, one should not partake in gambling and unnecessarily agitate the mind. The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. THAT IS, ONE SHOULD STAY AT HOME, CHANT THE HARE KṚṢṆA MANTRA AND PREACH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF KṚṢṆA AS THEY ARE GIVEN IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ AND ŚRĪMAD-BHĀGAVATAM.
Madhya 7.130: The Lord’s Tour of South India -- ei mata yāṅra ghare kare prabhu bhikṣā / sei aiche kahe, tāṅre karāya ei śikṣā
SYNONYMS
eimata—in this way; yāṅra—of whom; ghare—at the home; kare—does; prabhu—Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; bhikṣā—accepting prasāda; sei—that man; aiche—similarly; kahe—says; tāṅre—unto him; karāya—does; ei—this; śikṣā—enlightenment.
TRANSLATION
At whosoever’s house Śrī Caitanya accepted His alms by taking prasāda, He would convert the dwellers to His saṅkīrtana movement and advise them just as He advised the brāhmaṇa named Kūrma.
PURPORT
The cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.
Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati small child of Symasundara a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?
741003SB.MAY Lectures: So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.”
JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…
yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa.
He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
a) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per Yare dekhe quote as some MISLEADERS claim then: WHY did Srila Prabhupada say I shall SAY in 1977 I SHALL SAY? This means it was NOT an open order.
770422r3.bom Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
b) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per yare dekhe quote: Why did Srila Prabhupada say WHEN my guru maharaja ORDERED me in a lecture Nairobi Conversation:
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Bramananda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupāda: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru-paramparā.
Indian: Did it…
Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?
Srila Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)
Srila Prabhupada: “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
Srila Prabhupada: “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)
Srila Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada: “I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.”
WHERE IS THIS ORDER (AUTHORIZATION)? Show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. Exactly WHERE does Srila Prabhupada NAME the ACARYAS in writing?
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada: OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU for as long as his books are on this planet!
HARE KṚṢṆA HARE KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA HARE HARE
HARE RĀMA HARE RĀMA RĀMA RĀMA HARE HARE
"Under my order: guru hana – become a spiritual master"
By: Mahesh Raja
[PADA: Very good, if we say that Srila Prabhupada ordered all kinds of conditioned souls to be worshiped as his "good as God acharya successors" that is not just misleading, its an attack on his position. It means he could not distinguish real gurus from conditioned souls. That means the entire idea that conditioned souls are acharyas is an attack on the entire teachings of Krishna. ys pd]]
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa: “Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are
given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. (CC Madhya 7.128)
Refuting the “open order” to be Diksa guru in ISKCON under the pretext of the āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa quote: The Anti Ritviks often mislead devotees to believe that Srila Prabhupada gave the Order to be Diksa guru by quoting: yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa.
But this is NOT what the Purport says. The purport is about SIKSA GURU -- AND -- following that text of Madhya 7.128 in the Madhya 7.130 states that: IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. We are NOT going to accept any CHANGED BOOKS statements to suit ones personal agenda from sahajiyas like Bhakti Viksa who wants to screw out disciple manufacturing meaning:
Bhakti Vikasa swami Interpolation Vs the Truth
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti%20vikasa-interpolation-vs-the-truth
Bhakti Vikasa swami is a SAHAJIYA
http://www.iskcontimes.com/bhakti-vikasa-is-a-SAHAJIYA
The yare dekha quote: CC Madhya 7.128 T The Lord’ s Tour of South India: yāre dekha, tāre kaha / ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
SYNONYMS
yāre—whomever; dekha—you meet; tāre—him; kaha—tell; kṛṣṇa-upadeśa—the instruction of the Bhagavad-gītā as it is spoken by the Lord or of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which advises one to worship Śrī Kṛṣṇa; āmāraājñāya—under My order; guruhañā—becoming a spiritual master; tāra‘-deliver; eideśa—this country.
TRANSLATION
“Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”
PURPORT
This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the mahā-mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra at home with their families.
One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped. One can also produce many nice preparations to offer Kṛṣṇa-grain, fruit, flowers and milk. Why should one indulge in unnecessary meat-eating and maintain horrible slaughterhouses? What is the use of smoking and drinking tea and coffee?
People are already intoxicated by material enjoyment, and if they indulge in further intoxication, what chance is there for self-realization? Similarly, one should not partake in gambling and unnecessarily agitate the mind. The real purpose of human life is to attain the spiritual platform and return to Godhead. That is the summum bonum of spiritual realization. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. THAT IS, ONE SHOULD STAY AT HOME, CHANT THE HARE KṚṢṆA MANTRA AND PREACH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF KṚṢṆA AS THEY ARE GIVEN IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ AND ŚRĪMAD-BHĀGAVATAM.
Madhya 7.130: The Lord’s Tour of South India -- ei mata yāṅra ghare kare prabhu bhikṣā / sei aiche kahe, tāṅre karāya ei śikṣā
SYNONYMS
eimata—in this way; yāṅra—of whom; ghare—at the home; kare—does; prabhu—Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; bhikṣā—accepting prasāda; sei—that man; aiche—similarly; kahe—says; tāṅre—unto him; karāya—does; ei—this; śikṣā—enlightenment.
TRANSLATION
At whosoever’s house Śrī Caitanya accepted His alms by taking prasāda, He would convert the dwellers to His saṅkīrtana movement and advise them just as He advised the brāhmaṇa named Kūrma.
PURPORT
The cult of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee, thinking, “I am a first-class devotee.” Such thinking should be avoided. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.
Note: Yare dekhe quote did not make Sarasvati small child of Symasundara a Diksa guru – so HOW can they say this quote is Diksa guru Order?
741003SB.MAY Lectures: So these books, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, are there, and many other books, Puranas and others… They are simply describing the activities of Krsna so that you can understand Krsna. That… There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta: anadi bahirmukha jiva nahi jnana, krsna… Means “From, since a very, very long time, he has forgotten Krsna.” Just like anyone you can ask, in this country even, and what to speak of others, that “Do you know Krsna?” So you’ll find so many, I mean to say, major portion, people, will say, “No, we do not know what is Krsna.”
JUST LIKE OUR SYAMASUNDARA’S DAUGHTER, SARASVATI. SHE PREACHES, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS KRSNA?” EVEN ONE KNOWS, BECAUSE HE (SHE) IS CHILD: “NO, NO. I DO NOT KNOW.” “OH, SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD,” SHE WILL SAY. She is so intelligent. She will say. So similarly, we can do. We can do Krsna’s service like this. EVEN A CHILD CAN DO. YOU GO. AS CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SAYS, YARE DEKHA TARE KAHA KRSNA-UPADESA. THAT BECOMES… YOU BECOMES SPIRITUAL MASTER. If you take this vow, that “I’ll preach only Krsna,” then you are spiritual master. You become spiritual…
yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa / āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
Just like that child, Sarasvati’s, preaching, “Do you know Krsna?” He says, “No.” “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Simply say like that, “He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” and “Chant His holy name, Hare Krsna.” If you do this, then you are preacher; you are spiritual master. It is so nice. You don’t require to become very… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says that yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa.
He does not say that you become a learned Vedic scholar. That is the goal of Vedic scholarship. If you simply know that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then your Vedic study finished. You are M.A., doctor of Krsna philosophy, simply if you know this. You may not know in details, but if you simply believe, firmly convinced, that “Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is my master. He is my savior,” in this way, if you accept, then you become perfect, and you become liberated.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
a) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per Yare dekhe quote as some MISLEADERS claim then: WHY did Srila Prabhupada say I shall SAY in 1977 I SHALL SAY? This means it was NOT an open order.
770422r3.bom Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
b) If there was an OPEN order given to be diksa guru as per yare dekhe quote: Why did Srila Prabhupada say WHEN my guru maharaja ORDERED me in a lecture Nairobi Conversation:
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Bramananda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupāda: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru-paramparā.
Indian: Did it…
Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?
Srila Prabhupada: “WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)
Srila Prabhupada: “Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.” (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
Srila Prabhupada: “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)
Srila Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. (Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada: “I shall SAY, “Now you become ACARYA. You become authorized.”
WHERE IS THIS ORDER (AUTHORIZATION)? Show us in writing from Srila Prabhupada NAMING the individuals as ACARYA. Exactly WHERE does Srila Prabhupada NAME the ACARYAS in writing?
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada: OUR BONAFIDE DIKSA GURU for as long as his books are on this planet!
HARE KṚṢṆA HARE KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA HARE HARE
HARE RĀMA HARE RĀMA RĀMA RĀMA HARE HARE
You ask "Where is the order in writing" for even one individual to become guru in ISKCON. My reply is "Show me the order from any guru beginning with Lord Krishna Himself IN WRITING that ANYONE should become a guru by name". It doesn't exist. It has never been done. You are asking for something new. Srila Prabhupada said "Don't manufacture anything". You are manufacturing that Prabhupada must write down a list of names of devotees qualified to become guru because YOU want him to. Well sorry but Srila Prabhupada isn't your order supplier.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing wrong with reading Prabhupada's books while waiting for a guru to come along, that is what the GBC has stated.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Right, the GBC says that we have to wait for the next coming of Jesus, just like some Christians here sold all their homes and went to the desert thinking he was coming. And the GBC is preaching the same thing, except, some people do not want to wait for 2,000 years, they want to read the books of a pure devotee now. So you guys can sit on the desert and wait for 2,000 years, we'll read the books now. We do not endorse this Christian idea that we have to wait for the second coming, its not Vaishnavism.]
But the ritvik kettle is chock full of snakes and scorpions as well.
[PADA: No, the GBC has made illicit sex and criminals into gurus, that is their kettle and its chock full of deviations.]
I wouldn't want to put my hand in that pot!
[PADA: Right, so we get letters every day from people who say they cannot listen to the GBC anymore because they have been burnt to toast by the GBC's false promise to give them a guru, and so they want to follow our idea.]
There are bona-fide gurus in ISKCON,
[PADA: Every guru in ISKCON is either a deviant, a person who supported deviants as messiahs, a person who reinstated deviants, or a person who was voted in by deviants and / or the people who covered up for if not reinstated deviants etc. There is no other guru in ISKCON right now, nor can you name any. In 1986 for example the GBC reinstated Bhavananda as their acharya, and voted in 20 more gurus, so they are all compromised.]
I know it. If you say there aren't it only proves you cannot follow the four regulative principles and therefore you think no one else besides Srila Prabhupada can follow them either. Wyatt may be a bhakta but he has a better brain on his shoulders than you.
[PADA: Worse, the GBC has wrote papers saying that acharyas fall into deviations, so they are attacking the post of acharya as a mundane position, with worse debauchees than the karmis. ys pd]
THANKS, Mahesh prabhu, for your brief and to the point article , you make good sense about such a fundamental point about how a diksha guru has to be ordered by Srila Prabhupada.
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