Wednesday, July 31, 2013
What is happening with Mahanidhi swami?
See updates here:
Mahanidhi swami scandal expands (click link here):
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/mahanidhi-scandal-expands-other-iskcon.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/mahanidhi-swami-fall-down-report-8113.html
PADA: We heard he is not giving lectures for a year and there are rumors of "a fall down." We also heard he was depressed by Aindra's death. Anyway, these things may all be rumors, or maybe not. If anyone knows more please let us know. ys pd
Mahanidhi swami scandal expands (click link here):
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/mahanidhi-scandal-expands-other-iskcon.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/mahanidhi-swami-fall-down-report-8113.html
PADA: We heard he is not giving lectures for a year and there are rumors of "a fall down." We also heard he was depressed by Aindra's death. Anyway, these things may all be rumors, or maybe not. If anyone knows more please let us know. ys pd
Krishna is called "Murari" the killer of Mura demon
This video series is about Krishna and the Mura demon, made from India, its in Hindi with no sub titles. Hope you like it anyway, ys pd
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Krishna kills Mura demon: http://youtu.be/HNI16btgti4
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Mura's Daughter attacks Krishna: http://youtu.be/GVz2jjGU2h0
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Mura's Daughter is saved by Krishna: http://youtu.be/NCjj7_v5SYE
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Krishna kills Mura demon: http://youtu.be/HNI16btgti4
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Mura's Daughter attacks Krishna: http://youtu.be/GVz2jjGU2h0
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Mura's Daughter is saved by Krishna: http://youtu.be/NCjj7_v5SYE
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Updates from Bangalore ISKCON July - 31 - 2013
Hare Krishna,
A Philosophy of Frustration
This exchange between His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and an existentialist-socialist priest took place in Los Angeles during December of 1973.
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Thirumangai-alwar is imprisoned by the Chola King
In his efforts to fulfill his vow to appease the devotees by feeding them, Thirumangai-alwar started to spend all the money that he had collected in the form of taxes and he even forgot to pay the annual tribute to the Chola emperor who had appointed him as king. As Thirumangai-alwar had not paid the annual tribute within the stipulated time, the Chola emperor sent his officials to recover the dues from Thirumangai-alwar besides deputing spies to gather information about the day-to-day activities of Thirumangai-alwar. Thirumangai-alwar sent back the officials who had come to collect the tribute with a promise to remit it to the emperor’s treasury within a few days
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Srila Lokanatha Goswami–Disappearance – July 30,2013
Lokanatha was disinterested in worldly affairs from his childhood. He left home and came to Navadvipa to have darshan of Mahaprabhu. Sri Gaurasundara very lovingly embraced Lokanath and instructed him to go to Vrindavana as soon as possible. Lokanath could understand that Mahaprabhu would renounce His family life within a few days and he was aggrieved at this. Mahaprabhu consoled him and told him that they would meet again in Vrindavana.
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Who are our real enemies? (Part -1)
The Sanskrit word is yogesvara the master of mystic powers. A person who has this mystic powers he can exhibit powers like becoming smaller than the atom or lighter than a feather, all these powers one can achieve by being a mystic yogi. Lord Siva is the greatest yogi and he can perform wonderful things, just like the ocean of poison, he just took it and kept it in his neck. Therefore he is called Neelkant. It is not an ordinary feat, if we were to take a drop of poison, we will die. But because he is yogesvara he has this mystic powers he can do these feats.
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Who are our real enemies? (Part -2)
Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad gita 15.7 verse mamaivamso jiva-loke jiva-bhutah sanatanah manah-sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati we are all amsas of Krishna, we are blissful parts, sat chit ananda, but why we are in a precarious situation suffering the threefold miseries of material existence, undergoing birth, death, old age and disease, because of the mind and the senses. manah-sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati we are engaging in a vicious battle with material nature.
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Thirumangai-alwar meets Kumuda-valli
Being an excellent administrator, Nila had deployed highly trained spies all over his kingdom to discreetly gather information about the day-to-day activities in his kingdom. As Kumuda-valli was very beautiful, the news of her beauty reached Nila through his spies. Being a pleasure seeker, Nila decided to go to Thiruvali in disguise along with a few of his trusted soldiers to see Kumuda-valli. Nila was captivated by the beauty of Kumuda-valli as soon as his eyes fell on her as he had not seen such a beautiful lady in his life. He decided to marry her at any cost.
Read More
A Philosophy of Frustration
This exchange between His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and an existentialist-socialist priest took place in Los Angeles during December of 1973.
Read More
Thirumangai-alwar is imprisoned by the Chola King
In his efforts to fulfill his vow to appease the devotees by feeding them, Thirumangai-alwar started to spend all the money that he had collected in the form of taxes and he even forgot to pay the annual tribute to the Chola emperor who had appointed him as king. As Thirumangai-alwar had not paid the annual tribute within the stipulated time, the Chola emperor sent his officials to recover the dues from Thirumangai-alwar besides deputing spies to gather information about the day-to-day activities of Thirumangai-alwar. Thirumangai-alwar sent back the officials who had come to collect the tribute with a promise to remit it to the emperor’s treasury within a few days
Read More
Srila Lokanatha Goswami–Disappearance – July 30,2013
Lokanatha was disinterested in worldly affairs from his childhood. He left home and came to Navadvipa to have darshan of Mahaprabhu. Sri Gaurasundara very lovingly embraced Lokanath and instructed him to go to Vrindavana as soon as possible. Lokanath could understand that Mahaprabhu would renounce His family life within a few days and he was aggrieved at this. Mahaprabhu consoled him and told him that they would meet again in Vrindavana.
Read More
Who are our real enemies? (Part -1)
The Sanskrit word is yogesvara the master of mystic powers. A person who has this mystic powers he can exhibit powers like becoming smaller than the atom or lighter than a feather, all these powers one can achieve by being a mystic yogi. Lord Siva is the greatest yogi and he can perform wonderful things, just like the ocean of poison, he just took it and kept it in his neck. Therefore he is called Neelkant. It is not an ordinary feat, if we were to take a drop of poison, we will die. But because he is yogesvara he has this mystic powers he can do these feats.
Read More
Who are our real enemies? (Part -2)
Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad gita 15.7 verse mamaivamso jiva-loke jiva-bhutah sanatanah manah-sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati we are all amsas of Krishna, we are blissful parts, sat chit ananda, but why we are in a precarious situation suffering the threefold miseries of material existence, undergoing birth, death, old age and disease, because of the mind and the senses. manah-sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati we are engaging in a vicious battle with material nature.
Read More
Thirumangai-alwar meets Kumuda-valli
Being an excellent administrator, Nila had deployed highly trained spies all over his kingdom to discreetly gather information about the day-to-day activities in his kingdom. As Kumuda-valli was very beautiful, the news of her beauty reached Nila through his spies. Being a pleasure seeker, Nila decided to go to Thiruvali in disguise along with a few of his trusted soldiers to see Kumuda-valli. Nila was captivated by the beauty of Kumuda-valli as soon as his eyes fell on her as he had not seen such a beautiful lady in his life. He decided to marry her at any cost.
Read More
Your Servants
Online Team
ISKCON Bangalore
Jai Uttal at local bookstore program
http://youtu.be/GJdxuWfqqrM
PADA: Some people think this program is not very bona fide. Maybe, but we never see any of the ISKCON leaders making any similar programs around here, ever? Nor do we see them making harinama samkirtana programs and etc., almost ever.
If it were not for these types of people, we would not have hardly anything going on around here in San Francisco area in terms of public out-reach "kirtana," ok almost anywhere in the Bay Area. Anywhere. This program is what the ISKCON sannyasas are supposed to be doing, making public kirtana programs, but we find people like Hrdayananda living in an apartment in Los Angeles where he does what, watches soap operas and football on TV like Satsvarupa has been doing, or what?
This is the problem, when there is nothing, something stands out because, something has more impact than nothing. At least these people are not sitting around watching football on TV all day long. And simply thanks to God for our nice ritvik temple in Sunnyvale (South Bay), at least there is somewhere that people can get some regular kirtana programs. ys pd
PADA: Some people think this program is not very bona fide. Maybe, but we never see any of the ISKCON leaders making any similar programs around here, ever? Nor do we see them making harinama samkirtana programs and etc., almost ever.
If it were not for these types of people, we would not have hardly anything going on around here in San Francisco area in terms of public out-reach "kirtana," ok almost anywhere in the Bay Area. Anywhere. This program is what the ISKCON sannyasas are supposed to be doing, making public kirtana programs, but we find people like Hrdayananda living in an apartment in Los Angeles where he does what, watches soap operas and football on TV like Satsvarupa has been doing, or what?
This is the problem, when there is nothing, something stands out because, something has more impact than nothing. At least these people are not sitting around watching football on TV all day long. And simply thanks to God for our nice ritvik temple in Sunnyvale (South Bay), at least there is somewhere that people can get some regular kirtana programs. ys pd
Tuesday, July 30, 2013
Rocana das / Sampradaya Sun / The Time Has Come / -- For What?
Has the time finally come to promote his program? -- His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta swami Srila Prabhupada.
ROCANA DAS: The importance of following in the footsteps of the previous Acaryas is an instruction received often by readers of our Vaisnava sastra. At first this decree sounds so simple and easy. In reality, nothing is more difficult for the fallen conditioned soul. The relatively short history of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON has demonstrated that the challenge of faithfully following the Founder-Acarya's mood and message may seem nearly impossible.
[PADA: Right, the Prabhupadanugas started a nice home program in Vancouver where Rocana lives. These nice Prabhupadanugas have regular programs of: -- bhajan, kirtan; preaching to guests; opulent prasadam; deity worship and so on and so forth. Meanwhile, Rocana has never started any program anywhere, ever that we know of. Instead, Rocana has been preaching since 1977 that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous, post samadhi, and post mortem person, and basically no one cares what else he has to say since this is very offensive in itself.]
RD: The society established by His Divine Grace does not in the least resemble what he so eloquently envisioned and instructed in his vast writings and audio recordings. Myself and many other followers have expressed, in many ways and words, our grave concern over the wayward direction the bewildered leaders of ISKCON have taken the Hare Krsna Movement.
[PADA: OK the bewildered leaders are saying Srila Prabhupada is posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem, and Rocana is their sock puppet, he says what they say.]
RD: Over many years, we have attempted to provide the 'Fifth Estate' through the Internet medium of the Sampradaya Sun, in hopes of halting ISKCON's decline towards religiosity. Although there have been some rewarding moments and successes in that effort, by and large the slide continues.
RD: Over many years, we have attempted to provide the 'Fifth Estate' through the Internet medium of the Sampradaya Sun, in hopes of halting ISKCON's decline towards religiosity. Although there have been some rewarding moments and successes in that effort, by and large the slide continues.
[PADA: The Prabhupadanugas are at least making some progress because we have some form of developing "fifth estate" program, because we have some idea of what has to be preached to implement the orders of Srila Prabhupada.]
RD: The time has come for a more progressive, positive approach based on the realization that most of the aged, entrenched leaders of the GBC/ISKCON are far beyond the point of no return. It is time to start anew. We have learned the lessons taught us by history and now we have an opportunity to apply them.
[PADA: That is what we have been doing since 1977, making new people understand they have to worship Srila Prabhupada, and not focus only on the rotten upper crust managers.]
RD: Before joining together and marching forward, we require a clear direction and a plan. With this in mind, we have written a draft Constitution for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is. Srila Prabhupada asked on a number of occasions during his ISKCON lila for the disciples to compose a Constitution, but none was forthcoming. The present day GBC/ISKCON leaders have also failed thus far to produce this fundamentally important document. To encapsulate the very essence of sadhana and siddhanta as presented by His Divine Grace is daunting, but also very simple and sublime. It is the spreading of Krsna Consciousness to every town and village that represents the greater challenge.
[PADA: The siddhanta of Rocana and the siddhanta of the GBC are identical, we need a living guru, we need to insult the acharyas by calling them post mortem, where is there any difference between what Rocana says and what the bogus GBC gurus are saying?]
RD: Our topmost Sampradaya Acaryas have concluded that utilization of a formal Society model is the best vehicle to bring about the necessary organization and cooperation required to achieve this task. We, the servants of these Acaryas have been assigned the duty to carry forward this Divine Order, originating with Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. In the not too distant past, these spiritually surcharged groups in our Sampradaya have had at their center the manifest presence of a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavata, shaktyavesa-avatara.
[PADA: OK well first of all, you need a group. Instead you are promoting Mt. Moab messiah Kailash, king of the desert; Or Dusyanta who says -- he is for the GBC and their living guru idea -- except he will never take any of them as his own guru; Or people like Vraja Vilasa das -- whom no one has ever even heard of, and he has no group either, so you need to find a group.
Of course, lately you have been loading up your Sampradaya Sun site with Mayesvara's writings. OK he is a nice guy, and he is friendly towards us, but he advertises for the GBC's gurus, Gaudiya Matha's gurus, and who knows what else. His program is not going to attract Prabhupadanugas. Ever. OK, at least he has a teeny program in Ojai at his house, but to be honest, its just not on the world wide map of events.
Neither is Ojai a known place for that matter, its just not the place to launch a world wide movement. Never mind Rocana's other hero Kailash is in the middle of absolutely nowhere in Moab Utah, which no one even heard of before, ever. OK its well known to a lot of rattlesnakes, poison spiders, lizards, tumbleweeds, and maybe a lot of scorpions, thats the main population there.
Mayavara's or Kailash's program do not constitute a group, nor are either loyal to any particular group. Mayesvara is for hodge podge basically, because he is favored by folks like the Sridhara Maharaja followers, and he is sometimes with the mainstream ISKCON guru folks: http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9718. And we hate to have to say this to you Rocana, but most people are not interested AT ALL in Sridhara Maharaja's minions, or the mainstream GBC guru's process anymore, most folks are done with that, finished, its over and out for most folks. You are just slower than a pack of turtles to be gradually coming to understand that finally.]
RD: Both Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupadas have ordered their followers to continue the mission after they entered into maha-samadhi. Our Srila Prabhupada applied the lessons learned from the tragic failure of His beloved Spiritual Master's Gaudiya Matha.
[PADA: And Mayesvara promotes Gaudiya Matha folks, and their ideas like "you need a living guru." And Rocana advertises for these folks. Here Rocana says, this is the failed process? Why does he advertise for that process then?]
RD: Now, many of us have concluded that the same corrosive elements, so abundant in Kali Yuga, have brought us to the point where it requires that we start afresh with ISKCON As It Is.
[PADA: Except you never advertise for "ISKCON as it is," rather you advertise for these isolated out of the way odd ball projects like Kailash, Dusyanta, Vraja Vilasa, Mayevara etc., projects that are all basically not having much impact, and which have dubious siddhanta views.]
RD: The great Acharya Srila Prabhupada has left us with a clear blueprint for bringing about success, but let us not be fooled into thinking it will be easy. The necessary ingredient is to individually surrender to selflessly serving Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu by assuming an appropriate duty within the context of a society/army. The great General, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Thakura will empower us all and direct and protect all the surrendered souls. Caitya Guru is within us all, and His desires are identical to all the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Acaryas, and for us, most specifically HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Srila Prabhupada.
With this spirit, let us create a working Constitution so that we can present to all sincere devotees our collective purpose, aims and objectives. Let it contain the core themes of our beliefs and the constitutional principles His Divine Grace has set forth. Building upon the draft Constitution that is now ready for review and discussion, let us refine and complete it.
A ratified Constitution will help us in future to cooperate by curbing the evil symptoms of quarrel and hypocrisy. We all require the quality of humility in order to achieve the highest levels of unalloyed Bhakti. I am thus stating, with straw in teeth, that the time has come for the establishment of a blissful Krishna Conscious Society -- one that achieves great success by following the instructions of our divine preceptor and Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Working together in his mood, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is will attract the causeless mercy of Lord Nityananda upon all participants, for they will be opening the floodgates of Love for Lord Sri Krsna.
[PADA: OK well the Prabhupadanuga society is well under way. The question is, will you participate in it? Or will you continue to advertise for your Moab desert messiah Kailash; or Dusyanta who says he has to have a living guru, but he does not want any; Or Vraja Vilasa who has no program whatsoever that we can identify; Or Mayesvara, who is with various "guru" programs, but not the Prabhupadanuga guru program? What are you going to do Rocana? I think you are right however, you are running out of rabbits to pull out of your magic trick hat. ys pd]
[PADA Update: Yes prabhu, Rocana das does not seem to comprehend that his support of the GBC gurus in the early 1980s is what caused all the subsequent banning, beating, molesting and assassinating program to take root. And he has supported the GBC gurus and their "living guru ideology" root idea ever since, even up to today. And so far, he has not accounted for all the malefic results of his support for that regime and its root ideas. You are right prabhu, Rocana and his ilk need to account for their role in the support of the Satanic-padas -- before they can make any real progress, agreed. Rocana is mentioned in this article below: ys pd]
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/srila-prabhupada-jesus-judas-pontius.html
RD: The time has come for a more progressive, positive approach based on the realization that most of the aged, entrenched leaders of the GBC/ISKCON are far beyond the point of no return. It is time to start anew. We have learned the lessons taught us by history and now we have an opportunity to apply them.
[PADA: That is what we have been doing since 1977, making new people understand they have to worship Srila Prabhupada, and not focus only on the rotten upper crust managers.]
RD: Before joining together and marching forward, we require a clear direction and a plan. With this in mind, we have written a draft Constitution for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is. Srila Prabhupada asked on a number of occasions during his ISKCON lila for the disciples to compose a Constitution, but none was forthcoming. The present day GBC/ISKCON leaders have also failed thus far to produce this fundamentally important document. To encapsulate the very essence of sadhana and siddhanta as presented by His Divine Grace is daunting, but also very simple and sublime. It is the spreading of Krsna Consciousness to every town and village that represents the greater challenge.
[PADA: The siddhanta of Rocana and the siddhanta of the GBC are identical, we need a living guru, we need to insult the acharyas by calling them post mortem, where is there any difference between what Rocana says and what the bogus GBC gurus are saying?]
RD: Our topmost Sampradaya Acaryas have concluded that utilization of a formal Society model is the best vehicle to bring about the necessary organization and cooperation required to achieve this task. We, the servants of these Acaryas have been assigned the duty to carry forward this Divine Order, originating with Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. In the not too distant past, these spiritually surcharged groups in our Sampradaya have had at their center the manifest presence of a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavata, shaktyavesa-avatara.
[PADA: OK well first of all, you need a group. Instead you are promoting Mt. Moab messiah Kailash, king of the desert; Or Dusyanta who says -- he is for the GBC and their living guru idea -- except he will never take any of them as his own guru; Or people like Vraja Vilasa das -- whom no one has ever even heard of, and he has no group either, so you need to find a group.
Of course, lately you have been loading up your Sampradaya Sun site with Mayesvara's writings. OK he is a nice guy, and he is friendly towards us, but he advertises for the GBC's gurus, Gaudiya Matha's gurus, and who knows what else. His program is not going to attract Prabhupadanugas. Ever. OK, at least he has a teeny program in Ojai at his house, but to be honest, its just not on the world wide map of events.
Neither is Ojai a known place for that matter, its just not the place to launch a world wide movement. Never mind Rocana's other hero Kailash is in the middle of absolutely nowhere in Moab Utah, which no one even heard of before, ever. OK its well known to a lot of rattlesnakes, poison spiders, lizards, tumbleweeds, and maybe a lot of scorpions, thats the main population there.
Mayavara's or Kailash's program do not constitute a group, nor are either loyal to any particular group. Mayesvara is for hodge podge basically, because he is favored by folks like the Sridhara Maharaja followers, and he is sometimes with the mainstream ISKCON guru folks: http://www.dandavats.com/?p=9718. And we hate to have to say this to you Rocana, but most people are not interested AT ALL in Sridhara Maharaja's minions, or the mainstream GBC guru's process anymore, most folks are done with that, finished, its over and out for most folks. You are just slower than a pack of turtles to be gradually coming to understand that finally.]
RD: Both Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Srila Bhaktivedanta Prabhupadas have ordered their followers to continue the mission after they entered into maha-samadhi. Our Srila Prabhupada applied the lessons learned from the tragic failure of His beloved Spiritual Master's Gaudiya Matha.
[PADA: And Mayesvara promotes Gaudiya Matha folks, and their ideas like "you need a living guru." And Rocana advertises for these folks. Here Rocana says, this is the failed process? Why does he advertise for that process then?]
RD: Now, many of us have concluded that the same corrosive elements, so abundant in Kali Yuga, have brought us to the point where it requires that we start afresh with ISKCON As It Is.
[PADA: Except you never advertise for "ISKCON as it is," rather you advertise for these isolated out of the way odd ball projects like Kailash, Dusyanta, Vraja Vilasa, Mayevara etc., projects that are all basically not having much impact, and which have dubious siddhanta views.]
RD: The great Acharya Srila Prabhupada has left us with a clear blueprint for bringing about success, but let us not be fooled into thinking it will be easy. The necessary ingredient is to individually surrender to selflessly serving Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu by assuming an appropriate duty within the context of a society/army. The great General, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Thakura will empower us all and direct and protect all the surrendered souls. Caitya Guru is within us all, and His desires are identical to all the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Acaryas, and for us, most specifically HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Srila Prabhupada.
With this spirit, let us create a working Constitution so that we can present to all sincere devotees our collective purpose, aims and objectives. Let it contain the core themes of our beliefs and the constitutional principles His Divine Grace has set forth. Building upon the draft Constitution that is now ready for review and discussion, let us refine and complete it.
A ratified Constitution will help us in future to cooperate by curbing the evil symptoms of quarrel and hypocrisy. We all require the quality of humility in order to achieve the highest levels of unalloyed Bhakti. I am thus stating, with straw in teeth, that the time has come for the establishment of a blissful Krishna Conscious Society -- one that achieves great success by following the instructions of our divine preceptor and Founder-Acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Working together in his mood, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness As It Is will attract the causeless mercy of Lord Nityananda upon all participants, for they will be opening the floodgates of Love for Lord Sri Krsna.
[PADA: OK well the Prabhupadanuga society is well under way. The question is, will you participate in it? Or will you continue to advertise for your Moab desert messiah Kailash; or Dusyanta who says he has to have a living guru, but he does not want any; Or Vraja Vilasa who has no program whatsoever that we can identify; Or Mayesvara, who is with various "guru" programs, but not the Prabhupadanuga guru program? What are you going to do Rocana? I think you are right however, you are running out of rabbits to pull out of your magic trick hat. ys pd]
[PADA Update: Yes prabhu, Rocana das does not seem to comprehend that his support of the GBC gurus in the early 1980s is what caused all the subsequent banning, beating, molesting and assassinating program to take root. And he has supported the GBC gurus and their "living guru ideology" root idea ever since, even up to today. And so far, he has not accounted for all the malefic results of his support for that regime and its root ideas. You are right prabhu, Rocana and his ilk need to account for their role in the support of the Satanic-padas -- before they can make any real progress, agreed. Rocana is mentioned in this article below: ys pd]
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/srila-prabhupada-jesus-judas-pontius.html
Question about Kirtanananda
Thanks prabhu, Well yes Kirtanananda had a prominent post, but all of us senior devotees knew he had some problems in the past, that he wanted the devotees to stop wearing vaishnava clothes and wear suits, that he stole the Gita manuscript and said he was the author, that he had blooped to go back to his old NYC bars, and so on. So it was up to all of us seniors to make sure he was not declared as the acharya, instead most of the seniors went along with saying he is an acharya and they harassed me for protesting.
So my God brothers or the church elders also have to reign in a priest who thinks he has become Jesus, they didn't. Instead the church elders supported the deviation and they harassed me. Kirtanananda's program was not the most important, very few people went there and was considered as somewhat a renegade.
As for Narayan Maharaja, he supported the idea that the 11 GBC are gurus. So he and his successors have no clear ideas. I have made some history videos about all this on: http://youtube.com/pada1008. Also I have been discussing in some recent articles how my God brothers supported the bogus gurus and harassed me on my blog: http://Krishna1008.blogspot.com. Some of my God brothers are still harassing me for breaking up their Kirtanananda program, if you can believe that. Hope this helps, but let me know if there are any further inquiries, ys pd
Monday, July 29, 2013
Srila Prabhupada / Jesus / Judas / Pontius Pilate / Poison issue etc.
PADA: There are a group of Krishna devotees -- especially within the GBC's guru's program, Gaudiya Matha's program, and similar others, who are often complaining that "PADA is trying to make Srila Prabhupada into the next Jesus." Rocana would certainly be in this group, since he says we are "The Church of Ritviks," because we are trying to implement Srila Prabhupada's worship to continue on as the exclusive worship for his society.
And then we have the Bhakti Vikas swami folks saying we are "Church-ianity" -- and so on and so forth. We find it somewhat amazing that we are being criticized by our own alleged God brothers for claiming that our guru is shakti-avesa (empowered by Krishna), just like Jesus is. Srila Prabhupada says Jesus is shati-avesa and "me and Jesus are brothers." This of course begs the question of "unqualified people trying to absorb sins like Jesus," which has been another huge disaster zone in ISKCON where many of their alleged "sin absorbing Jesus" fell down into spectacular debauched failures.
We find no actual reason to believe Srila Prabhupada is not on the level of Jesus. Then again, Srila Prabhupada taught us much more advanced principles than Jesus did, of course Jesus was dealing with very unsophisticated people so there was a limit to what he could preach. Therefore, this issue is itself a problem, since there are people who think our entire effort is flawed because it "over emphasizes" Srila Prahbupada. As Tripurari swami once said, ISKCON is suffering from, of all things, over emphasis on Srila Prabhupada. In other words, there is a sharp resistance to our idea that Srila Prabhupada is another "pure devotee from heaven" like Jesus is.
Unfortunately, a lot of these people who are "not in favor of too much emphasis of Srila Prabhupada" have also not been too helpful in assisting us in rooting out the troubles in ISKCON either, including all sorts of criminality, because they either joined along with the the main group of hi-jackers of ISKCON, or they acquiesced with those who are saying "we do not need so much emphasis on Srila Prabhupada." So there has been a sort of conspiracy of silence, or omission, or worse the crime of support or commission of these false post-1977 gurus, to suppress our efforts to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. And in the process, the criminal enterprise thus became enabled, empowered and in fact glorified as messiahs.
The PADA view is that Srila Prabhupada is the actual embodiment of ISKCON, just as the church of Jesus calls itself "the body of Jesus." Therefore, when Srila Prabhupada is re-established as the actual guru / acharya / messiah / of ISKCON, then ISKCON will become a pure vehicle for spreading Krishna consciousness. What has happened to ISKCON however, is somewhat related to what happened to Jesus. Jesus was betrayed by his top disciple Judas, and so he was crucified. PADA honestly believes that Srila Prabhupada was complaining he was being poisoned because, he was also betrayed by some of his top disciples.
This creates a big problem.
Suppose the Church of Jesus is hi-jacked by the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers section, then can we still say "this is the Church of Jesus"? So our biggest problem all along is that people are saying "PADA is attacking ISKCON." OK, wait a minute, if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the people who made Srila Prabhupada complain he is being poisoned, ... is this still ISKCON?
Therefore we regularly get complaints from some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, but if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the Judas and Pontius Pilate's team, how are we then "criticizing Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? Its no longer "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? And to say or imply that this criminally hi-jacked institution is "Srila Prabhupada's golden body" etc. is what has caused a lot of the criminality to take over in the first place, and for the deviants to continue to stay in control ever since.
So this is a good parallel idea, Jesus was betrayed -- and if we assume that the betrayers should be considered as his guru successors, this will cause all kinds of chaos and mis-understandings. In sum, if the Church of Jesus would instead worship the "Church of Judas" -- mistakenly thinking this is the Church of Jesus, then it would become dysfunctional, just as ISKCON has become.
We find no actual reason to believe Srila Prabhupada is not on the level of Jesus. Then again, Srila Prabhupada taught us much more advanced principles than Jesus did, of course Jesus was dealing with very unsophisticated people so there was a limit to what he could preach. Therefore, this issue is itself a problem, since there are people who think our entire effort is flawed because it "over emphasizes" Srila Prahbupada. As Tripurari swami once said, ISKCON is suffering from, of all things, over emphasis on Srila Prabhupada. In other words, there is a sharp resistance to our idea that Srila Prabhupada is another "pure devotee from heaven" like Jesus is.
Unfortunately, a lot of these people who are "not in favor of too much emphasis of Srila Prabhupada" have also not been too helpful in assisting us in rooting out the troubles in ISKCON either, including all sorts of criminality, because they either joined along with the the main group of hi-jackers of ISKCON, or they acquiesced with those who are saying "we do not need so much emphasis on Srila Prabhupada." So there has been a sort of conspiracy of silence, or omission, or worse the crime of support or commission of these false post-1977 gurus, to suppress our efforts to re-establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya. And in the process, the criminal enterprise thus became enabled, empowered and in fact glorified as messiahs.
The PADA view is that Srila Prabhupada is the actual embodiment of ISKCON, just as the church of Jesus calls itself "the body of Jesus." Therefore, when Srila Prabhupada is re-established as the actual guru / acharya / messiah / of ISKCON, then ISKCON will become a pure vehicle for spreading Krishna consciousness. What has happened to ISKCON however, is somewhat related to what happened to Jesus. Jesus was betrayed by his top disciple Judas, and so he was crucified. PADA honestly believes that Srila Prabhupada was complaining he was being poisoned because, he was also betrayed by some of his top disciples.
Judas and Jesus
This creates a big problem.
Suppose the Church of Jesus is hi-jacked by the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers section, then can we still say "this is the Church of Jesus"? So our biggest problem all along is that people are saying "PADA is attacking ISKCON." OK, wait a minute, if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the people who made Srila Prabhupada complain he is being poisoned, ... is this still ISKCON?
Therefore we regularly get complaints from some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, but if ISKCON has been hi-jacked by the Judas and Pontius Pilate's team, how are we then "criticizing Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? Its no longer "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"? And to say or imply that this criminally hi-jacked institution is "Srila Prabhupada's golden body" etc. is what has caused a lot of the criminality to take over in the first place, and for the deviants to continue to stay in control ever since.
So this is a good parallel idea, Jesus was betrayed -- and if we assume that the betrayers should be considered as his guru successors, this will cause all kinds of chaos and mis-understandings. In sum, if the Church of Jesus would instead worship the "Church of Judas" -- mistakenly thinking this is the Church of Jesus, then it would become dysfunctional, just as ISKCON has become.
When us and Sulochana first tried to get the mass of devotees interested in combating these bogus gurus, and "take ISKCON back" to worship Srila Prabhupada, almost none of the mass of devotees wanted to help us because they considered were were "attacking Srila Prabhupada's mission." OK, and that means they could not understand that the mission is no longer his mission, it has been hi-jacked. Nor would Srila Prabhupada have supported all the bogus gurus, drug dealing, embezzling, banning, beating, molesting, murders and many other crimes that have been going on. Its not his mission, plain and simple. In other words, the mass of devotees began to confuse Jesus with Judas, and this is still the main problem.
To say that the post-1977 criminal enterprise is "Srila Prabhupada's enterprise," is how the ex-gurukulis for example came to think that Srila Prabhupada wanted a criminal operation going on in his name. He did not. Of course now the Prahlad group is blaming us for the ex-gurukulis coming to think Srila Prabhupada wanted all these crimes in his mission. No, we opposed all these hi-jackers from practically day one. So these people want to blame us for the problems they themselves created. The gurukulis became confused because people like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad were promoting the worship of Satan as if it were the worship of Jesus. "I cannot tell a lie, he did it."
So if we understand that the movement has become a hi-jacked criminal enterprise, then what do we need next? We need more and more whistle blowers who will expose the crimes and thus weed out the criminal element. That is what us and Sulochana were doing, but unfortunately a whistle blower in ISKCON is often not treated too well, and this discourages more people from coming forward.
All we have to do is look at how some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. keep saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, so hardly no one else wants to step up to the plate to get harassed like this. Thus, because not many people want to be publicly thrashed like this, this tends to perpetuate the Judas empire / criminal enterprise / because the whistle blowers are always being attacked like this. And of course, by saying someone is "destroying ISKCON," this is also how people can get beaten and killed. There is a trend to forget that ISKCON has been hi-jacked, its no longer the real ISKCON, therefore actual ISKCON is not being attacked by us. Rather the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers program is being attacked, not the actual Church of Jesus.
Now these folks all along since -- say 1980 -- and more lately guys like Prahlad, Bhakta das, Janardan etc. are saying that PADA "has made ISKCON look bad." That is like like saying we have made the empire state building look tall? We did not create the sordid and criminal events in the hi-jacked ISKCON, rather the Judas sabha has created all this, we simply pointed out their crimes. And now some of these same folks (like Janardan etc.) are saying Sulochan and our efforts are bad because we gave "Srila Prabhupada's movement" a bad name. What!
Janardan types think we are the bad guys, because we got rid of Kirtanananda's worship, and we thus ruined one of the molester messiah's programs, and we thus saved hundreds -- more likely thousands -- of more children from being victimized, and this is harmful to ISKCON? Does this mean Janardan wanted the homosexual molester's worship program, and resultant child molesting, to continue in his idea of "pure ISKCON"? Or what? This is amazing, getting rid of the worship of criminals, homosexuals, pedophiles, deviants, orchestrators of murders etc. is "ruining the good name of ISKCON." What kind of ISKCON do these people want?
No, we saved ISKCON from having these abominations continue in its name. What has ruined ISKCON is all these goody two shoes compromisers who are not standing up and opposing the Judas sabha like we have done all along.
OK, in any event, if the Devil is in control of the Church, then we are no longer giving Srila Prabhupada's movement a bad name, since its no longer his movement? Whose movement is it if Judas and Pontius Pilate are in charge? And this means, when these people attack us, they have enabled the Judas sabha to stay in power, and that is what they have done all along in fact.
That means the GBC guru program / Gaudiya Matha / Sanat / Mukunda / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta / Swarupa Hebel program is helping the molester hi-jacking program by attacking the dissenters to the Judas take over program (ok some credit to the Gaudiya Matha folks, some of them are joining with us on a few of these issues). So, if we are going to clear Srila Prabhupada's name at this point, we need to make people understand that his movement has been hi-jacked from him.
And that the hi-jackers turned his mission into a criminal operation. To say that our protesting the molester messiah hijackers is "attacking ISKCON" is how these compromised people enabled and empowered the hi-jackers all along since 1978. And now these people are still attacking us, because they are still enablers of these criminal hi-jackers. They essentially want to see Judas in power and not us Prabhupadanugas.
Later, when the victimized children were in all kinds trouble, including suicides, a lawsuit was made to expose that there is a molesting problem going on. Apparently, the lawsuit immediately got 200 children pulled out of the schools by their parents (those children were in danger of being molested). And the lawsuit stopped thousands of other children from ever being placed into those schools, ever.
Now how did you guess, some of the GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc folks all complained that our program is wrong because -- "this makes Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON look bad"? In sum, they wanted more thousands of children to enter their "wood chipper for children machine," and have even more children get turned into broken up bits and pieces, and for us to do nothing to stop this deviant process.
And now that we practically stopped thousands of more victims from entering their wood chippers for children program, they are angry that we did that. Apparently, the children sacrifices to Satan program should not be stopped, they think that is "a great offense." And they still say that to us even today, your stopping the "child sacrifices to Satan" program is bogus. OK, that means they are under the influence of the Judas / Pontius Pilate / Satan worship sector. No one else thinks our idea of stopping thousands of more children enter the molester messiah's concentration camps was a bad idea, just this little clique of bogus guru sympathizers with Judas.
One of the ex-students told us this school program was "Auschwitz" for children. Thus, its amazing to us that some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / etc wanted this program to continue because that is what they basically said, do not sue the hijackers for the child molesting, do not expose these problems because "you are making ISKCON look bad."
Nope, your folks acquiescing and allowing all these child sacrificing programs to continue is what is making ISKCON look bad, and your harassing anyone who takes it down is what makes ISKCON look even more bad. So anyone who does not want these types of severe deviations to be stopped is -- under the control of the Judas sabha. Yep, many experts on psychology, police, FBI, media, they all agree with us, people thwarting our attempts to contain these crimes, including crimes against children, are under severe demoniac influences, ok they are in the Judas / Satan / Jesus betrayal sabha.
How did you guess, its is not us, it is these compromisers who are direct or de facto saying that the hijackers mass molesting program is "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"! That means they are the ones who confused the gurukulis into thinking all this is "what Srila Prabhupada wanted." That means they are the ones who confused the public into thinking this is Srila Prabhupada's program.
Now another interesting thing is that the IRM / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta program is also saying we are "making it look like" Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned. How can we make Srila Prabhupada "look like" he is saying, ... anything? Either he said that or he did not? He said he is being given poison. And now these people are quoting the IRM, who also wanted us to stop us when we said we have to save thousands of more children from being molested, and yep -- the IRM also said -- no expose of the poison case, all of this to "save the name of ISKCON." Covering up for children molestation and poisoning of the guru saves nothing and no one, ok -- except it saves the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers. Thats all it saves. And it has saved them.
And here is the perhaps real issue: Why are these people like Janardan now defending the people who -- apparently -- poisoned our guru Srila Prabhupada, by saying this should not have been exposed? Does that not make them their hand maidens as well? In any case, we think Jesus was crucified due to betrayal of a Judas sector, and Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, in that sense he also was crucified, also because he had a Judas sector. Anyone who tries to stop us from exposing all this is with the Judas sector, that's all there is to it. Srila Prabhupada said one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he was crucified for his preaching, we think eventually Srila Prabhupada will become famous for the same reason. In fact, we know he will. Jaya haribol! ys pd
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UPDATE: 7/30/13 : Dear prabhu, Yes, on their web site the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Bhakta das team attacks us profusely for our program of cutting off the supply line of children going to the ISKCON Auschwitz / molestation program. We saved thousands of more children from going into that mess, and they are upset. Yep, that is exactly what happened here. And yes, the main "other party" that is upset with us doing that is -- the GBC's molester messiahs program folks. Yep, that means they are ditto heads.
Sorry, most people think our plan of cutting off the pipeline of victims was -- required. Good question, why would they object to having the pipeline of thousands of more victims shut off? Yes, you have heard right, they are upset that we saved thousands of more children from going into that program. Does that mean they are advocates for the molesting and victimizing program? What else can we conclude? ys pd
To say that the post-1977 criminal enterprise is "Srila Prabhupada's enterprise," is how the ex-gurukulis for example came to think that Srila Prabhupada wanted a criminal operation going on in his name. He did not. Of course now the Prahlad group is blaming us for the ex-gurukulis coming to think Srila Prabhupada wanted all these crimes in his mission. No, we opposed all these hi-jackers from practically day one. So these people want to blame us for the problems they themselves created. The gurukulis became confused because people like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad were promoting the worship of Satan as if it were the worship of Jesus. "I cannot tell a lie, he did it."
So if we understand that the movement has become a hi-jacked criminal enterprise, then what do we need next? We need more and more whistle blowers who will expose the crimes and thus weed out the criminal element. That is what us and Sulochana were doing, but unfortunately a whistle blower in ISKCON is often not treated too well, and this discourages more people from coming forward.
All we have to do is look at how some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc. keep saying "PADA is exposing the bogus leaders of ISKCON, and this is destroying ISKCON." OK, so hardly no one else wants to step up to the plate to get harassed like this. Thus, because not many people want to be publicly thrashed like this, this tends to perpetuate the Judas empire / criminal enterprise / because the whistle blowers are always being attacked like this. And of course, by saying someone is "destroying ISKCON," this is also how people can get beaten and killed. There is a trend to forget that ISKCON has been hi-jacked, its no longer the real ISKCON, therefore actual ISKCON is not being attacked by us. Rather the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers program is being attacked, not the actual Church of Jesus.
Church of Pontius Pilate?
Now these folks all along since -- say 1980 -- and more lately guys like Prahlad, Bhakta das, Janardan etc. are saying that PADA "has made ISKCON look bad." That is like like saying we have made the empire state building look tall? We did not create the sordid and criminal events in the hi-jacked ISKCON, rather the Judas sabha has created all this, we simply pointed out their crimes. And now some of these same folks (like Janardan etc.) are saying Sulochan and our efforts are bad because we gave "Srila Prabhupada's movement" a bad name. What!
Janardan types think we are the bad guys, because we got rid of Kirtanananda's worship, and we thus ruined one of the molester messiah's programs, and we thus saved hundreds -- more likely thousands -- of more children from being victimized, and this is harmful to ISKCON? Does this mean Janardan wanted the homosexual molester's worship program, and resultant child molesting, to continue in his idea of "pure ISKCON"? Or what? This is amazing, getting rid of the worship of criminals, homosexuals, pedophiles, deviants, orchestrators of murders etc. is "ruining the good name of ISKCON." What kind of ISKCON do these people want?
No, we saved ISKCON from having these abominations continue in its name. What has ruined ISKCON is all these goody two shoes compromisers who are not standing up and opposing the Judas sabha like we have done all along.
OK, in any event, if the Devil is in control of the Church, then we are no longer giving Srila Prabhupada's movement a bad name, since its no longer his movement? Whose movement is it if Judas and Pontius Pilate are in charge? And this means, when these people attack us, they have enabled the Judas sabha to stay in power, and that is what they have done all along in fact.
That means the GBC guru program / Gaudiya Matha / Sanat / Mukunda / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta / Swarupa Hebel program is helping the molester hi-jacking program by attacking the dissenters to the Judas take over program (ok some credit to the Gaudiya Matha folks, some of them are joining with us on a few of these issues). So, if we are going to clear Srila Prabhupada's name at this point, we need to make people understand that his movement has been hi-jacked from him.
And that the hi-jackers turned his mission into a criminal operation. To say that our protesting the molester messiah hijackers is "attacking ISKCON" is how these compromised people enabled and empowered the hi-jackers all along since 1978. And now these people are still attacking us, because they are still enablers of these criminal hi-jackers. They essentially want to see Judas in power and not us Prabhupadanugas.
Later, when the victimized children were in all kinds trouble, including suicides, a lawsuit was made to expose that there is a molesting problem going on. Apparently, the lawsuit immediately got 200 children pulled out of the schools by their parents (those children were in danger of being molested). And the lawsuit stopped thousands of other children from ever being placed into those schools, ever.
Now how did you guess, some of the GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / Swarupa Hebel etc folks all complained that our program is wrong because -- "this makes Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON look bad"? In sum, they wanted more thousands of children to enter their "wood chipper for children machine," and have even more children get turned into broken up bits and pieces, and for us to do nothing to stop this deviant process.
And now that we practically stopped thousands of more victims from entering their wood chippers for children program, they are angry that we did that. Apparently, the children sacrifices to Satan program should not be stopped, they think that is "a great offense." And they still say that to us even today, your stopping the "child sacrifices to Satan" program is bogus. OK, that means they are under the influence of the Judas / Pontius Pilate / Satan worship sector. No one else thinks our idea of stopping thousands of more children enter the molester messiah's concentration camps was a bad idea, just this little clique of bogus guru sympathizers with Judas.
No one should stop this program!
One of the ex-students told us this school program was "Auschwitz" for children. Thus, its amazing to us that some GBC guru folks / Gaudiya Matha folks / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradran / Bhakta das / etc wanted this program to continue because that is what they basically said, do not sue the hijackers for the child molesting, do not expose these problems because "you are making ISKCON look bad."
Nope, your folks acquiescing and allowing all these child sacrificing programs to continue is what is making ISKCON look bad, and your harassing anyone who takes it down is what makes ISKCON look even more bad. So anyone who does not want these types of severe deviations to be stopped is -- under the control of the Judas sabha. Yep, many experts on psychology, police, FBI, media, they all agree with us, people thwarting our attempts to contain these crimes, including crimes against children, are under severe demoniac influences, ok they are in the Judas / Satan / Jesus betrayal sabha.
How did you guess, its is not us, it is these compromisers who are direct or de facto saying that the hijackers mass molesting program is "Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON"! That means they are the ones who confused the gurukulis into thinking all this is "what Srila Prabhupada wanted." That means they are the ones who confused the public into thinking this is Srila Prabhupada's program.
Now another interesting thing is that the IRM / Janardan / Prahlad / Bhakta program is also saying we are "making it look like" Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned. How can we make Srila Prabhupada "look like" he is saying, ... anything? Either he said that or he did not? He said he is being given poison. And now these people are quoting the IRM, who also wanted us to stop us when we said we have to save thousands of more children from being molested, and yep -- the IRM also said -- no expose of the poison case, all of this to "save the name of ISKCON." Covering up for children molestation and poisoning of the guru saves nothing and no one, ok -- except it saves the Judas / Pontius Pilate / crucifiers. Thats all it saves. And it has saved them.
And here is the perhaps real issue: Why are these people like Janardan now defending the people who -- apparently -- poisoned our guru Srila Prabhupada, by saying this should not have been exposed? Does that not make them their hand maidens as well? In any case, we think Jesus was crucified due to betrayal of a Judas sector, and Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, in that sense he also was crucified, also because he had a Judas sector. Anyone who tries to stop us from exposing all this is with the Judas sector, that's all there is to it. Srila Prabhupada said one of the reasons Jesus is so popular is that he was crucified for his preaching, we think eventually Srila Prabhupada will become famous for the same reason. In fact, we know he will. Jaya haribol! ys pd
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UPDATE: 7/30/13 : Dear prabhu, Yes, on their web site the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardana / Bhakta das team attacks us profusely for our program of cutting off the supply line of children going to the ISKCON Auschwitz / molestation program. We saved thousands of more children from going into that mess, and they are upset. Yep, that is exactly what happened here. And yes, the main "other party" that is upset with us doing that is -- the GBC's molester messiahs program folks. Yep, that means they are ditto heads.
Sorry, most people think our plan of cutting off the pipeline of victims was -- required. Good question, why would they object to having the pipeline of thousands of more victims shut off? Yes, you have heard right, they are upset that we saved thousands of more children from going into that program. Does that mean they are advocates for the molesting and victimizing program? What else can we conclude? ys pd
Sunday, July 28, 2013
How to become pure / dangers of thinking "Guru is Ordinary"
See entire lecture here:
http://www.prabhupadavani.org/main/Bhagavatam/601.html
PART OF LECTURE: ... "Vaisnava aparadha is a great offense. You know Ambarisa Maharaja. He was a devotee, and he Durvasa, he was very proud of his yogic power, and he committed offense at the feet of Ambarisa Maharaja, and he was punished by Krsna by sending the sudarsana-cakra. And he wanted help from so many, Brahma, Visnu. He could go directly to the Visnuloka, but he was not pardoned.
He had to come to Vaisnava, Ambarisa Maharaja, fall down at his lotus feet. And he, of course, Vaisnava, immediately excused him. So Vaisnava aparadha is great offense, hati-mata. So we should be very careful about Vaisnava aparadha. We should not Arcye visnu sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnava-jati-buddhih.
The vaisnava-jati-buddhih is also another offense, great offense. Similarly, to think of guru as ordinary human being, that is also offense. To think of Deity as made of metal, stone, that is These are offenses. Sa naraki. So we should be very careful about the regulative principles and follow the footprints of Vaisnava. Mahajano yena sa gatah. Don't think that Prahlada Maharaja is ordinary boy. We should learn from Prahlada Maharaja how to advance in devotional service.
[PADA NOTE: This has been the whole problem since 1977, the leaders of ISKCON have been saying that gurus are even worse than the ordinary man, because -- gurus fall down into illicit sex, drugs, criminal actions and so on.
In other words, the leaders of ISKCON are not advanced enough to promote the worship of ordinary men, instead they find very degraded people to become their gurus. Notice the warning here -- "Sa Naraki." -- "Anyone who says gurus are ordinary men, are residents of Narakah, or hell."
No wonder the GBC gurus do not like PADA, we have reminded them of this warning since 1977, gurusuh narah matih -- narakah sah, its a severe offense to say gurus are ordinary and fallen, what to speak of debauchees -- as the GBC gurus seem to be falling into on a regular basis. ys pd]
Prabhupadanugas Korea UPDATE Jul 28th 2013
Prabhupadanugas Korea Report:
Hare Krsna devotees! Just got some very encouraging new from Korea. We have got a small programs stated in Korea .There are about 10 Prabhupadanugas in Korea. 2-3 are Korean and the rest are from Russia. The most encouraging new is even the ISKCON devotees in Korea are ow demanding Srila Prabhupada's Original books. We have sent the a few hundred original English Gitas to Korea and within few days all were distributed. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !!!!
Hare Krsna devotees! Just got some very encouraging new from Korea. We have got a small programs stated in Korea .There are about 10 Prabhupadanugas in Korea. 2-3 are Korean and the rest are from Russia. The most encouraging new is even the ISKCON devotees in Korea are ow demanding Srila Prabhupada's Original books. We have sent the a few hundred original English Gitas to Korea and within few days all were distributed. Jaya Srila Prabhupada !!!!
Saturday, July 27, 2013
Friday, July 26, 2013
PADA progress report / and Dr. J. Stilson Judah
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* In 1978 I said --Jayatirtha (aka "Srila Tirthapada") and the other 10 "new gurus" were not appointed as gurus by Srila Prabhupada. And most of the other rank and file ISKCON devotees (my God brothers) at the time said -- Puranjana is a crazy man, an offender, and so on, because -- Jayatirtha is a bona fide acharya. And then I was booted out of ISKCON for even asking questions on this topic. Very few devotees backed me up on this issue when I addressed it, almost no one actually.
And this was the pattern all along, most of my God brothers did not come forward to help me deal with all these scandals and problems in ISKCON. And worse, many (ok most) of my God brothers opposed me and said "you are being offensive, you are using bad language" and so on, which of course aided and abetted the criminal enterprise that was overtaking ISKCON. And this policy simply placed my life in danger (by making me look like the lone wolf / crazy / offender / crank) and this helped perpetuate the crimes, all at the same time.
Oddly, even after facing being potentially assassinated for the past 35 years, some of my God brothers still want me to "apologize" for using the techniques I have used. My friend (who is a policeman) says, "They want you to apologize that they did not help you, and despite that, you lived. That means they want you to apologize for your even -- being alive." On the other hand, a number of my other God brothers have apologized to me for not helping my campaign to fix ISKCON, and they agree we were correct on these issues.
Anyway, at the start of all this, a lot of my God brothers simply said "Puranjan is a crazy man." And so the crimes, the child molesting and so on so forth, all went on because there was no organized opposition. And most of the God brothers thereby SABOTAGED any effort to fix things. All this of course made me have to use more and more vociferous tactics, to try to penetrate the acquiescing "silent majority" of God brothers. So I apologize for using these techniques, however, there were not any other good options in dealing with all this.
Anyway, after I was booted out of ISKCON then later on Jayatirtha was decapitated (beheaded) by a disgruntled disciple for making a huge drug business, having illicit sex with a married disciple and so on. So apparently, I WAS right, this "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada" was not ever a guru. In short, I said there was never any guru appointment made by Srila Prabhupada, and now that concept has been accepted all over the planet by thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands.
* In 1979 I began to argue that since Jayatirtha is supposed to be the jagat guru for the entire universe, why does he only have "the zone" of teeny little England? Sounded completely crazy at the time, but now almost everyone else agrees, a guru has no "geographical zone." Yep, the "zonal guru" idea has been proven to be another fraudulent misconception -- except that he current ISKCON gurus still have "zonal areas" appointed to them every year at Mayapura, thus -- they are the last to figure these things out apparently.
* In 1979 I said the PDI drug bust at the Laguna Beach temple; Kirtanananda's drug mules being arrested; Hansadutta's farm being raided by a SWAT team of Federal Marshals and so on, was starting to create the PUBLIC NEWS MEDIA impression that ISKCON is a criminal organization. And I warned the devotees that unless major action is taken to fix this, and soon, this would only get worse. I was right, the public media impression that there is a criminality problem developing in ISKCON -- did get worse. Almost everyone now agrees with that today.
* In 1980 the Syracuse "federal court case" against ISKCON was in all the newspapers in the USA, saying that ISKCON is "systematically defrauding the public" with various charity scams. I said at the time -- see, I told you that we have to get this criminal scam problem under control --or it will get worse. Most of the devotees simply still said, "Puranjana is an offender to the great majestic messiahs from heaven, the 11 gurus." Almost nothing was being done to control the criminality, and as such -- (just as I had warned) it was getting worse and worse. Yep, exactly as I had predicted it was doing. Nowadays most people finally agree, ok but a lot of them only agreed after kicking and screaming every inch of the way after trying to slow us down over the past 35 years, that ISKCON has been turning into a criminal operation -- and it basically it did become one -- as we said all along was an ongoing problem.
* In 1980 we were told by a few people that one of these gurus was getting "strange massages" from the young boys in his school, and that conditions in some of these schools were very lacking in ordinary care and maintenance. We complained at the time, this may end up with a number of these children eventually saying -- they were mistreated in the schools, and this whole situation also had some very weird sexual overtones. OK, how did you guess, most of the devotees at the time said, "Puranjana is a crazy mad fool, offender" -- and so on. They suppressed our complaints to the maximum, to suppress us to the maximum. Except -- everything that we predicted would happen -- did happen -- and way worse in fact. Today, almost everyone agrees there has been a HUGE problem with the treatment of the children. Especially -- the ex-children themselves.
* In 1984 I moved to Berkeley to preach the idea that Srila Prabhupada is the acharya. How did you guess? Many people said -- this man is crazy, bonkers, an offender, and so on. OK, but we got the temple to take all the GBC's guru photos off the altars, and to offer the bhogha to Srila Prabhupada, and we began a program to worship Srila Prabhupada here. Many of the people we made into Prabhupadanuga devotees way back then still give me high fives when they see us even today. This man is crazy, maybe, but our idea worked, and now the Prabhupadanuga idea that we pioneered here has simply -- expanding now to places like Singapore, China, Russia, Bangalore and so on and so forth. OK, we were apparently not so crazy after all, we were right.
* In 1984 I liberated Srila Prabhupada's "last will" from the temple's safe. People said I was crazy and offensive to photocopy and distribute it, hmmm, seems to be a pattern was developing here?
* In 1984 I began to work with SULOCHANA DAS (aka Steve Bryant) who began to visit regularly with me in Berkeley. We both decided that the mass of devotees would maybe never help us contain these bogus gurus, thus we would need help from the "karmis" -- such as their police, media and courts.
Sulochana thus started to write to the Moundsville police and news media people to try to get them on board with these problems. Again, we were totally correct here. We did need the help from the police, because the GBC guru program orchestrated assassinating Sulochana, and I was (according to the FBI) "next of their hit list." The only reason the GBC guru program did not have me assassinated was that they knew I had the full backing from the Berkeley Police, FBI and the media. Once again we were completely correct, we needed the help of the police and media, and that is the only reason I am alive today to even tell this story.
Nowadays some of my critics say I am to blame for all this bad publicity. Ummm, I should have just rolled over got assassinated, and not tried to get any help? No one should have protested the molesting and so on? We should have cheered on the criminal enterprise and facilitated that? Sorry, we did not create any of this publicity, we simply reported what happened, but we did not make any of these crimes happen.
I find it odd that the news reporter is to blame for the crimes he reports going on in the city? This is called denial, we needed help, but the people who did not help us now try to blame us for all the problems. Their acquiescing was one of the main problems.
* When we wrote articles for the "Vedic Village Review" in the 1980s, saying people needed to start to worship Srila Prabhupada and not these bogus GBC gurus, how did you guess, people also said "this is crazy and offensive." Except that now, all of the Srila Prabhupada quotes that we used for those 1980s articles are currently being used by the IRM and everyone else to show that Srila Prabhupada should be worshiped as the acharya. Our idea was not so "crazy" after all!
* When I said that I needed to get the audio versions of the 1977 "poison tapes" conversations, and I said that in 1990, people thought that I really had gone completely crazy now. Except, when I did get the tapes in 1997 and published them, this alarmed almost everyone and started a huge issue of "the poison investigation." Crazy? Maybe not, since Srila Prabhupada is the one who says he is being poisoned, nothing I said matters. Today, there are easily thousands of people who do believe Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned. Crazy or not, its being accepted everywhere.
* When I said the molested children are now committing suicide in the mid-1990s, how did you guess, many people said this is crazy, offensive and so on, and nothing should be done to fix this issue. OK, that really is crazy, to say that allowing children to commit suicides is the right course of action, ... its not. There are still a few holds out trying to tell me that allowing the suicides was the right course, and how did you guess, today everyone thinks they are the crazy people.
* One thing people may or may not know is that since 1984 PADA's editor has been friends with "the police," especially in Berkeley. We started out by discussing the personal attack rhetoric used on us by the GBC guru's people, and showing our police contacts the types of threatening and abusive letters we were getting. The police said, "your life is in danger." The police could see by the rhetoric being used, that there are some very nasty people out there posing as Hare Krishnas.
Later on, we started having the same problem with the abusive attack letters online, after the internet got going. Since then we have had the police chase down some of these e-mail threats that we were were getting online. One thing people may not realize is that the letters we get from either the GBC gurus folks, or some of the Gaudiya Matha folks who said they wanted to "come and get me," or some of my many other even recent critics, is that when I show these types of letters of my critics to the police, they cannot distinguish one camp from the other. The police have this all figured out, the way these people write about me, whether from this camp or that camp, is meant to get me killed, that is what they have told me over and over. That is what Dr. Judah also warned me about.
As far as the police can see, all of these groups of critics of us are all the same, they are trying to demonize us so they can get us killed, just as Dr. Judah was telling me. And all of these groups know that when people are demonized they can get beaten and even killed around ISKCON circles. So, anyway, the problem for all the GBC gurus and all these critics is, too bad, too late, the cat is officially out of the bag now. I was just on a TV show that will be seen by millions of people saying -- these gurus were not EVER appointed. Guess what? Most people now believe me.
Whatever else anyone can say or do now its too little too late, its a done deal, these gurus have been for the most part -- exposed for what they truly are. PADA had to use whatever tools we could for that to happen, but it has happened. So now we need to focus on the next process, getting people to realize what the real orders of Srila Prabhupada are. Anyone who wants to help us in that phase is welcome to do so. ys pd
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11il4r_deadly-devotion-temple-of-doom_shortfilms
Srila Prabhupada should continue as the diksha guru for ISKCON (Bhakti Ananda Goswami II)
[PADA: Overal points are very good. Thanks for writing this. ys pd]
The authentic Vedic Vaishnava Culture, based on the equanimity and equal-amity of Sri Krishna's Samata Yoga, had nothing to do with mundane sexism. It included, respected and uplifted all people, regardless of their physical 'sex' or gender identity and expression. Even to the time of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the remaining Vaishnava Vedic Culture provided some place for intersex people, which can be seen in the fact some 'Hijra' music and dance performers were 'auspiciously' present to celebrate the birth of Nimai Gaurangadeva Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. I do NOT agree with Amara Dasa of GALVA that the Hijra Class of India was or is primarily made-up of 'homosexuals'.
I have been to India, Nepal and Sri Lanka, and have interviewed various kinds of 'Hindu' 'Hijras' there, and ALL of the people that I interviewed and studied would be scientifically classed as intersex people. Factually while Amara Dasa may be generally correct about the role of 'Third Sex' people in Vedic and 'Hindu' Culture, in my opinion, his own homosexual bias has blinded him to the purely biological, the scientific reality involved.
>And is Prabhupada the only real Diksa guru in Iskcon for you or not ? What is your knowledge about that point in guru tattva because you are a senior Vaisnava therefore you must know much more about this point ?
Is ISKCON Srila Prabhupada's Institution? Is he ISKCON's Founder-Acharya? Then HE is ISKCON's Diksha Guru.
During the Zonal Acharya days I was told that it was Srila Prabhupada's last will and ORDER that I had to accept one of my God brothers as a 'living guru'! Apparently because some of his criminal associates wanted my farm property, for a year they put great pressure on me saying that I would be cut-off from Srila Prabhupada if I did not OBEY SRILA PRABHUPADA AND SUBMIT TO MY ISKCON ZONAL ACHARYA. Still I resisted, but finally relenting I told the 'Acharya' that "I am Srila Prabhupada's man, not yours."
>And is Prabhupada the only real Diksa guru in Iskcon for you or not ? What is your knowledge about that point in guru tattva because you are a senior Vaisnava therefore you must know much more about this point ?
Is ISKCON Srila Prabhupada's Institution? Is he ISKCON's Founder-Acharya? Then HE is ISKCON's Diksha Guru.
During the Zonal Acharya days I was told that it was Srila Prabhupada's last will and ORDER that I had to accept one of my God brothers as a 'living guru'! Apparently because some of his criminal associates wanted my farm property, for a year they put great pressure on me saying that I would be cut-off from Srila Prabhupada if I did not OBEY SRILA PRABHUPADA AND SUBMIT TO MY ISKCON ZONAL ACHARYA. Still I resisted, but finally relenting I told the 'Acharya' that "I am Srila Prabhupada's man, not yours."
He said that he accepted this but to please Srila Prabhupada I still had to formally take new vows with him. Of course later I learned that their whole plot was to usurp Srila Prabhupada's Authority, and so I completely rejected my relationship with that 'Zonal Acharya', and any further connection to the "ISKCON" that fraudulently created the Zonal Acharya System.
A Vaishnava Acharya is always THE ACHARYA for the lineage or sub-lineage that he has founded. Srila Prabhupada is THE ACHARYA for the "ISKCON" sub-lineage of the Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Line of modern Gaudiya Vaishnavism. No one else can or should ever make this claim or try to assume any status equal to HIM in HIS OWN GAUDIYA VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYA ISKCON SUB-LINEAGE.
A Vaishnava Acharya is always THE ACHARYA for the lineage or sub-lineage that he has founded. Srila Prabhupada is THE ACHARYA for the "ISKCON" sub-lineage of the Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Line of modern Gaudiya Vaishnavism. No one else can or should ever make this claim or try to assume any status equal to HIM in HIS OWN GAUDIYA VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYA ISKCON SUB-LINEAGE.
If some follower legitimately becomes an 'acharya' in their own right, then it MEANS that they MUST establish their own 'school'. If their teachings do not contradict that of their own Acharya, then their new school or sub-lineage should be accepted as a sub-branch of their own Acharya's Lineage. If their teachings are contradictory then they should NOT be accepted as still-connected-to their own Acharya's lineage or school of thought. If their teachings are acceptable but their behavior is not, they may also be rejected as part of their Acharya's Sampradaya.
In religious history a disciple is either acting as the initiating agent on behalf of his or her own spiritual master, or she or he is acting as a DIKSHA guru and initiating disciples on his or her own behalf. This depends on many things. Most essentially it depends on what the nature IS of the contract of initiation between the guru and disciple? Is the guru vowing to 'take the sins' of the disciple? If so, then the guru must personally make that decision OR must have previously set the conditions for acceptance of a disciple, and for severing the relationship and rejecting a disciple. If the disciple breaks the initiation contract, then the diksha guru is no longer obligated to take any more post-initiation vi-karmic (sinful) reactions for the disciple.
When someone dares to become a sin-taking diksha guru, 'taking sins' on their own, it means that they are willing to suffer the vi-karmic reactions of some disciple(s), rather than allowing their own guru to 'take those sins'. Thus if they are very magnanimous, they may vow, like the Pure Land Buddhists or Vasudeva Raya, to 'take' the vi-karma of all of the sinners of the World! Of course it is ultimately only the Original Spiritual Master, the Second Person of the Godhead, Lord Ananta-Baladeva, Who ultimately "...takes away the sins of the World / Cosmos".
As for the situation in ISKCON, it is not proper for any disciple to take the position of his or her Guru in a holy place established by their Guru and thus belonging to Him. Thus Srila Prabhupada should be the ONLY ACHARYA in HIS ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS. His disciples should not receive ACHARYA VENERATION in any of his ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS.
If any of his disciples want to start their own missions, establish temples etc. then they are certainly free to do so under their own credentials and authority, whatever that may be. BUT, whatever they do ON THEIR OWN should be honestly and properly labeled / identified, and NOT presented as being done under the EXPRESSED authority and permission of Srila Prabhupada. If, though, a disciple is truthfully and humbly continuing an expressedly approved, or ordered, or empowered service to Srila Prabhupada, then that service should continue. This principle is the same for the Books too. Sri Krishna's permissive will allows everyone to be free to do what they can or want-to TO EITHER IMPROVE, OR TO RUIN Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai's Non-Sectarian Hari Nama Sankirtan Movement. The freedom is there, but the reaction will be too.
Honesty and humility dictates that everyone honestly presents their offering to the Lord and to the public. This means that the public should not be cheated. Thus a teacher, a guru or spiritual intercessor, should first of all be honest and humble about what they are offering the public. This means that there should not be any 'bait and switch' where guru(s) USE Srila Prabhupada to attract the public and them give them something other and less than Srila Prabhupada. If a teacher or guru truly attracts and 'makes' their own disciples, based on their own merits, then they should have their own mission. In history this is the usual protocol.
Based on my knowledge of religious history in general and Vaishnava history and Gaudiya history and theology in specific, my conclusion has always been that Srila Prabhupada's established Temples, Rites, Books etc. should have been kept the way that he established them, and that if any of his disciples wanted to establish anything differently, they should have started their own mission. This is what I personally told and wrote to Kirtanananda about his syncretistic changes at New Vrindavan. I was opposed to his New Age Syncretism, and pointed-out the many faults in it to him. Because Radhanath Swami was personally a staunch Vaishnava Traditionalist, I ask him, and NOT Kirtanananda, to 'give me sannyas'.
In religious history a disciple is either acting as the initiating agent on behalf of his or her own spiritual master, or she or he is acting as a DIKSHA guru and initiating disciples on his or her own behalf. This depends on many things. Most essentially it depends on what the nature IS of the contract of initiation between the guru and disciple? Is the guru vowing to 'take the sins' of the disciple? If so, then the guru must personally make that decision OR must have previously set the conditions for acceptance of a disciple, and for severing the relationship and rejecting a disciple. If the disciple breaks the initiation contract, then the diksha guru is no longer obligated to take any more post-initiation vi-karmic (sinful) reactions for the disciple.
When someone dares to become a sin-taking diksha guru, 'taking sins' on their own, it means that they are willing to suffer the vi-karmic reactions of some disciple(s), rather than allowing their own guru to 'take those sins'. Thus if they are very magnanimous, they may vow, like the Pure Land Buddhists or Vasudeva Raya, to 'take' the vi-karma of all of the sinners of the World! Of course it is ultimately only the Original Spiritual Master, the Second Person of the Godhead, Lord Ananta-Baladeva, Who ultimately "...takes away the sins of the World / Cosmos".
As for the situation in ISKCON, it is not proper for any disciple to take the position of his or her Guru in a holy place established by their Guru and thus belonging to Him. Thus Srila Prabhupada should be the ONLY ACHARYA in HIS ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS. His disciples should not receive ACHARYA VENERATION in any of his ISKCON ESTABLISHMENTS.
If any of his disciples want to start their own missions, establish temples etc. then they are certainly free to do so under their own credentials and authority, whatever that may be. BUT, whatever they do ON THEIR OWN should be honestly and properly labeled / identified, and NOT presented as being done under the EXPRESSED authority and permission of Srila Prabhupada. If, though, a disciple is truthfully and humbly continuing an expressedly approved, or ordered, or empowered service to Srila Prabhupada, then that service should continue. This principle is the same for the Books too. Sri Krishna's permissive will allows everyone to be free to do what they can or want-to TO EITHER IMPROVE, OR TO RUIN Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai's Non-Sectarian Hari Nama Sankirtan Movement. The freedom is there, but the reaction will be too.
Honesty and humility dictates that everyone honestly presents their offering to the Lord and to the public. This means that the public should not be cheated. Thus a teacher, a guru or spiritual intercessor, should first of all be honest and humble about what they are offering the public. This means that there should not be any 'bait and switch' where guru(s) USE Srila Prabhupada to attract the public and them give them something other and less than Srila Prabhupada. If a teacher or guru truly attracts and 'makes' their own disciples, based on their own merits, then they should have their own mission. In history this is the usual protocol.
Based on my knowledge of religious history in general and Vaishnava history and Gaudiya history and theology in specific, my conclusion has always been that Srila Prabhupada's established Temples, Rites, Books etc. should have been kept the way that he established them, and that if any of his disciples wanted to establish anything differently, they should have started their own mission. This is what I personally told and wrote to Kirtanananda about his syncretistic changes at New Vrindavan. I was opposed to his New Age Syncretism, and pointed-out the many faults in it to him. Because Radhanath Swami was personally a staunch Vaishnava Traditionalist, I ask him, and NOT Kirtanananda, to 'give me sannyas'.
Is Dusyanta das actually a ritvik? (Sampradaya Sun article)
Who is Guru? Part 2
BY: DUSYANTA DASA
Quoting verbatim from Vraja Vilasa Prabhu's article, which reads exactly like this:
[PADA: Notice that the two biggest scholars on Rocana's site cannot seem to even agree on some of the most basic points. For starters, we have doubts that Vraja Vilasa dasa is even a real person, he is probably a contrived pen name given to one of Rocana's ghost writers.]
DD: "So, Krsna Himself does not accept an unmanifest Guru, nor Lord Rama, nor Lord Chaitanya. In fact neither did Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, nor Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, etc. Why should we do something contrary to what they did and what they also instruct us to do throughout their teachings? Where do they say to accept an unmanifest Guru? Further Srila Prabhupada mentions in the Srimad Bhagavatam (3.7.39) that such a process of not accepting a physically manifest Guru is not approved at all;"
[PADA: And later in this article Dusyanta admits he has not accepted a living GBC guru. So Dusyanta is already operating on the principle of quoting from Srila Prabhupada, as the ritviks are doing. That means de facto, he is using our principle himself.]
DD: The quote provided by Prabhu (SB 3.7.39) does not validate his previous statement above at all, that is his interpretation of what Srila Prabhupada is stating. In his most recent article, the same author agrees with me to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is "unmanifest". In fact, I actually go one step further than that and suggest we accept Srila Prabhupada as Shiksa Guru personally not just His Shiksa, but as our personal Shiksa Guru.
[PADA: OK, so we are ALL (ritviks and Dusyanta) accepting that the books and teachings of Srila Prabhupada are giving (A) The divyam jnanam (di) (B) Which destroys sins (ksha), then we are accepting him as our diksha guru. If there is another source of divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) -- none is ever mentioned by Rocana / Kailash / Vraja Vilasa / Dusyanta etc.]
DD: Then in his most recent reply Vraja Vilasa says he agrees with my statement to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is non-manifest to us. So which one is it then Prabhu? Can we accept non-manifest Gurus or not??
[PADA: The books are the current manifestation of Srila Prabhupada, so much so, even Dusyanta is always quoting them.]
DD: As far as I was under it, we are instructed by Srila Prabhupada to accept all the Disciplic Succession Spiritual Masters, especially Srila Rupa Goswami. Are we not called "Rupanugas", followers of Srila Rupa Goswami, and does not that mean that we accept Srila Rupa Goswami as our Shiksa Guru even though He is unmanifest?
[PADA: This was all explained a long time ago by Srila Prabhupada, there are gaps in the parampara system. There is not always a "manifest" guru. Krishna Himself says he has to re-appear over and over since the line is often broken.]
DD: So who is / are our Guru(s)? We can only accept physically manifest / present Gurus because that's what They did and we have to do what They did. Because that's what Vraja Vilasa states.
[PADA: We do not always accept a manifest guru, since there are only 32 are listed for a period of 5,000 years. That means there are gaps in the system where a manifest guru is not present.]
DD: But actually when we look a bit more deeply into this topic, when we find more absolute constants, the truth is we can also accept unmanifest Gurus as well -- perhaps the answer is both Prabhu. Not just physically present ones-- I know I don't accept any physically present Diksa Gurus from ISKCON to date-- but that's because I am fallen.
[PADA: OK so you do not accept a GBC guru, you are quoting Srila Prabhupada, that means, you are operating on the same principle as the ritivks. OR really, you are a ritivk but you cannot admit. ys pd]
DD: To accept Srila Prabhupada's vani through His Shiksa Guru status after He is no longer with us means we are accepting Him as our unmanifest Spiritual Master, just like we do with all the previous Acharyas in our Disciplic Succession. We accept Them all too, even though They are unmanifest. We associate with Them through transcendental sound vibration, even for the neophytes it's a fact.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada , ISKCON Founder-Acharya.
[PADA: Yep, Dusyanta follows the ritvik idea, ys pd]
BY: DUSYANTA DASA
Quoting verbatim from Vraja Vilasa Prabhu's article, which reads exactly like this:
[PADA: Notice that the two biggest scholars on Rocana's site cannot seem to even agree on some of the most basic points. For starters, we have doubts that Vraja Vilasa dasa is even a real person, he is probably a contrived pen name given to one of Rocana's ghost writers.]
DD: "So, Krsna Himself does not accept an unmanifest Guru, nor Lord Rama, nor Lord Chaitanya. In fact neither did Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, nor Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, etc. Why should we do something contrary to what they did and what they also instruct us to do throughout their teachings? Where do they say to accept an unmanifest Guru? Further Srila Prabhupada mentions in the Srimad Bhagavatam (3.7.39) that such a process of not accepting a physically manifest Guru is not approved at all;"
[PADA: And later in this article Dusyanta admits he has not accepted a living GBC guru. So Dusyanta is already operating on the principle of quoting from Srila Prabhupada, as the ritviks are doing. That means de facto, he is using our principle himself.]
DD: The quote provided by Prabhu (SB 3.7.39) does not validate his previous statement above at all, that is his interpretation of what Srila Prabhupada is stating. In his most recent article, the same author agrees with me to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is "unmanifest". In fact, I actually go one step further than that and suggest we accept Srila Prabhupada as Shiksa Guru personally not just His Shiksa, but as our personal Shiksa Guru.
[PADA: OK, so we are ALL (ritviks and Dusyanta) accepting that the books and teachings of Srila Prabhupada are giving (A) The divyam jnanam (di) (B) Which destroys sins (ksha), then we are accepting him as our diksha guru. If there is another source of divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) -- none is ever mentioned by Rocana / Kailash / Vraja Vilasa / Dusyanta etc.]
DD: Then in his most recent reply Vraja Vilasa says he agrees with my statement to accept Srila Prabhupada's Shiksa even though Srila Prabhupada is non-manifest to us. So which one is it then Prabhu? Can we accept non-manifest Gurus or not??
[PADA: The books are the current manifestation of Srila Prabhupada, so much so, even Dusyanta is always quoting them.]
DD: As far as I was under it, we are instructed by Srila Prabhupada to accept all the Disciplic Succession Spiritual Masters, especially Srila Rupa Goswami. Are we not called "Rupanugas", followers of Srila Rupa Goswami, and does not that mean that we accept Srila Rupa Goswami as our Shiksa Guru even though He is unmanifest?
[PADA: This was all explained a long time ago by Srila Prabhupada, there are gaps in the parampara system. There is not always a "manifest" guru. Krishna Himself says he has to re-appear over and over since the line is often broken.]
DD: So who is / are our Guru(s)? We can only accept physically manifest / present Gurus because that's what They did and we have to do what They did. Because that's what Vraja Vilasa states.
[PADA: We do not always accept a manifest guru, since there are only 32 are listed for a period of 5,000 years. That means there are gaps in the system where a manifest guru is not present.]
DD: But actually when we look a bit more deeply into this topic, when we find more absolute constants, the truth is we can also accept unmanifest Gurus as well -- perhaps the answer is both Prabhu. Not just physically present ones-- I know I don't accept any physically present Diksa Gurus from ISKCON to date-- but that's because I am fallen.
[PADA: OK so you do not accept a GBC guru, you are quoting Srila Prabhupada, that means, you are operating on the same principle as the ritivks. OR really, you are a ritivk but you cannot admit. ys pd]
DD: To accept Srila Prabhupada's vani through His Shiksa Guru status after He is no longer with us means we are accepting Him as our unmanifest Spiritual Master, just like we do with all the previous Acharyas in our Disciplic Succession. We accept Them all too, even though They are unmanifest. We associate with Them through transcendental sound vibration, even for the neophytes it's a fact.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada , ISKCON Founder-Acharya.
[PADA: Yep, Dusyanta follows the ritvik idea, ys pd]
Thursday, July 25, 2013
Prabhupadanugas News from Bangalore
Veda Samvada, July 22, 2013
Karnataka is one of the very few states of India that has retained the Sama Veda studies to this day. Honnavar region in the Uttara Kannada district has affluent Ritviks imparting the Samaveda even today, said Kadaba Ramaswamy, reputed Samveda exponent.
My remark has no value from artistic sense
According to Chaitanya-charitamrita, a man is famous who is known as a great devotee of Krishna.
Akshaya Patra to supply meals at Jaipur hospital
Patients at the government-run Sawai Man Singh (SMS) hospital will now get nutritious food on the hospital premises as it has roped in Akshaya Patra for serving the meals to patients and their attendants at reasonable prices.
Srila Prabhupada – Chant "Nitai- Gaura" and become purified
one should first approach Lord Chaitanya and Nityananda, or worship Guru-Gauranga, and then come to the stage of worshiping Radha-Krishna.
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
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Wednesday, July 24, 2013
Hindu-ized ISKCON is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted
Lines of Authority and Hindu Entanglement
BY: KRISHNA DASA
BY: KRISHNA DASA
On many occasions Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples to preach to everyone and not just to Hindus. For example, concerning Africa he wrote:
"...So at the beginning Brahmananda was mixing only with those Indians, and they were giving profusely money, and there were so many plans for temple and deities. In this way he was neglecting to do the real work which was preaching to the black Africans. No one Hindu who is rich and living in foreign place is very much interested to become a devotee, it is show only, sentiment or custom.
"...So at the beginning Brahmananda was mixing only with those Indians, and they were giving profusely money, and there were so many plans for temple and deities. In this way he was neglecting to do the real work which was preaching to the black Africans. No one Hindu who is rich and living in foreign place is very much interested to become a devotee, it is show only, sentiment or custom.
So I wanted that he should preach to the Africans and convert them to become devotees, that should be his real business, never mind wasting time with so many nonsense Indians. And as soon as he did as I instructed, immediately he has got some black devotees, and he has removed himself from the entanglement of the Hindus, and he is making good progress spreading Krsna Consciousness amongst the native citizens.... "
In present day ISKCON we see that many temple managers neglect to preach to everyone and instead focus on the Hindu community. If members of ISKCON voice their concerns to local authorities they are often chastised and even banned from temples. If they appeal to the GBC they are ignored. Even some sannyasis have been warned to remain quiet about the problem. The GBC is not protecting devotees who present Srila Prabhupada's instructions as they are. Instead, the GBC turns a blind eye and allows local managers to rule by force. Spiritual principles are ignored.
In the official GBC paper entitled "Harmonizing ISKCON's Lines of Authority" this type of management is criticised:
"In a spiritual society a manager cannot fufill his or her duty to manage simply by declaring and enforcing rules. The rules themselves must have a spiritual foundation, and their implementation and enforcement must be applied in accordance with vaisnava principles. Managers who serve with this understanding will generally carry the full weight of spiritual authority for those under their charge."
In the same paper it is explained that the GBC has "the mandate to organize the preaching movement so it is aligned with the instructions of Srila Prabhupada." Why then do the GBC allow temple managers to turn ISKCON temples into Hindu temples? Is that Srila Prabhupada's desire?
Also in the paper it is written that the GBC has "the responsibility to offer spiritual guidance (siksa) to the whole of ISKCON..." Is it not therefore the duty of the GBC to offer the members of ISKCON guidance on this issue? Rather than give guidance the GBC has chosen to remain silent.
When we consider these points the problem becomes clear: the GBC cannot simultaneously remain silent about the Hindu problem and follow its duties as laid down in the paper. For the GBC to follow the "Harmonizing ISKCON's Lines of Authority" paper it should:
1.Teach that Srila Prabhupada wanted Krsna consciousness to spread outside of the Hindu community.
2. Acknowledge that many temple managers are neglecting to do this and are therefore spiritually compromised.
3. Organize the preaching movement in alignment with Srila Prabhupada's desire that EVERYONE gets the opportunity to become Krsna conscious.
By remaining silent the GBC is agreeing to the Hinduization of ISKCON, is undermining their own authority, and is not protecting those who repeat Srila Prabhupada's words.
In present day ISKCON we see that many temple managers neglect to preach to everyone and instead focus on the Hindu community. If members of ISKCON voice their concerns to local authorities they are often chastised and even banned from temples. If they appeal to the GBC they are ignored. Even some sannyasis have been warned to remain quiet about the problem. The GBC is not protecting devotees who present Srila Prabhupada's instructions as they are. Instead, the GBC turns a blind eye and allows local managers to rule by force. Spiritual principles are ignored.
In the official GBC paper entitled "Harmonizing ISKCON's Lines of Authority" this type of management is criticised:
"In a spiritual society a manager cannot fufill his or her duty to manage simply by declaring and enforcing rules. The rules themselves must have a spiritual foundation, and their implementation and enforcement must be applied in accordance with vaisnava principles. Managers who serve with this understanding will generally carry the full weight of spiritual authority for those under their charge."
In the same paper it is explained that the GBC has "the mandate to organize the preaching movement so it is aligned with the instructions of Srila Prabhupada." Why then do the GBC allow temple managers to turn ISKCON temples into Hindu temples? Is that Srila Prabhupada's desire?
Also in the paper it is written that the GBC has "the responsibility to offer spiritual guidance (siksa) to the whole of ISKCON..." Is it not therefore the duty of the GBC to offer the members of ISKCON guidance on this issue? Rather than give guidance the GBC has chosen to remain silent.
When we consider these points the problem becomes clear: the GBC cannot simultaneously remain silent about the Hindu problem and follow its duties as laid down in the paper. For the GBC to follow the "Harmonizing ISKCON's Lines of Authority" paper it should:
1.Teach that Srila Prabhupada wanted Krsna consciousness to spread outside of the Hindu community.
2. Acknowledge that many temple managers are neglecting to do this and are therefore spiritually compromised.
3. Organize the preaching movement in alignment with Srila Prabhupada's desire that EVERYONE gets the opportunity to become Krsna conscious.
By remaining silent the GBC is agreeing to the Hinduization of ISKCON, is undermining their own authority, and is not protecting those who repeat Srila Prabhupada's words.
[PADA: Westerners are simply not going to accept the GBC's bogus gurus for the most part. So the ISKCON gurus are starting "Hindu cultural centers" mainly, to attract wealthy donations. That is also what the Gaudiya Matha deviants did. Srila Prabhupada called them a "showing the deity business." ys pd]
Prabhupadanugas Philippines update
Prabhupadanugas Philippines Update : Prabhupadanugas Philippines devotees are organizing nice Preaching programs at their center from 27th till 30th of this month. More than 25 local Prabhupadanugas will be attending the program. Jita rati prabhu and Sundar gopal prabhu with his team of 5 devotees from Singapore will lead the Program. Srila Prabhupada ki Jai!!!
PADA's "apology" to Janardan das / Animal hunting in the name of Krishna?
[PADA: Janardan has responded to this post by saying: anyone who does not agree with their program of promoting the names of animal hunters next to photos of Srila Prabhupada is "a mad man." That means, either Janardan does not know its wrong to advertise the names of animal hunters next to a photo of Srila Prabhupada, or what? We have submitted proof -- in the photo below -- of the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janaradan supported site, where Srila Prabhupada's photo is surrounded by names of Illuminati etc. people. ys pd]
PADA: Janardan das wants us to "apologize" for our having bad "vaishnava etiquette." And as we see from his post below, he is supporting the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad (UK) "Illuminati" folks. OK, and we have asked these folks the same question for maybe 12 years now, why are they placing the photos of Srila Prabhupada in the middle of their beef eater speakers of "Illuminati" DVDs -- sales business?
* And why are these people advertising folks who promote hunting animals with GUNS right next to a photo of Srila Prabhupada?
* Of course that is when these folks are not promoting the Gaudiya Matha and GBC's molester messiah gurus advocates like Bhakta das?
* Of course that is when they are not promoting the worship of Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman?) on the altars next to Krishna?
This is one example of their various sites: http://conspiracy-matrix.co.uk/index.php?
And here:
Why are they exploiting photos of the acharya SRILA PRABHUPADA, to simply make money by selling their beef eater speaker's DVDs? All the devotees we know are absolutely appalled that Srila Prabhupada's photos are being linked to the speakers of these DVDs, as if Srila Prabhupada endorses their speaking. Even the bogus GBC does not use photos of Srila Prabhupada to sell beef eater's DVDs!
Wait! It gets worse, a PADA reader reports that some of the speakers they advertise on their sites are also promoting "hunters rights," i.e. using guns to hunt and kill animals. Some of these folks also have the idea that WW III is coming soon, so you had better hone your survival skills, such as -- squirrel, rabbit and deer hunting. OK, so they are placing the photo of KRISHNA's acharya next to people who are promoting hunting animals with guns, and killing animals in general.
We need to practice up on our -- squirrel, rabbit and deer hunting? And now we have to apologize to Janardan and Prahlad etc. because our protesting their juxtaposing Srila Prabhupada with advocates of -- shooting animals and rabbit hunting is not "proper vaishnava etiquette"? OK, promoting people who are shooting animals is proper vaishnava etiquette? Where are they learning their vaishnava etiquette from, the deer hunter's digest?
And if we do not apologize for protesting their rabbit hunting in the name of acharyas program, this is "not vaishnava etiquette"?
PADA: Janardan das wants us to "apologize" for our having bad "vaishnava etiquette." And as we see from his post below, he is supporting the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad (UK) "Illuminati" folks. OK, and we have asked these folks the same question for maybe 12 years now, why are they placing the photos of Srila Prabhupada in the middle of their beef eater speakers of "Illuminati" DVDs -- sales business?
* And why are these people advertising folks who promote hunting animals with GUNS right next to a photo of Srila Prabhupada?
* Of course that is when these folks are not promoting the Gaudiya Matha and GBC's molester messiah gurus advocates like Bhakta das?
* Of course that is when they are not promoting the worship of Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman?) on the altars next to Krishna?
This is one example of their various sites: http://conspiracy-matrix.co.uk/index.php?
And here:
Why are the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad folks linking nutty people as being endorsed by Srila Prabhupada?
Why are they exploiting photos of the acharya SRILA PRABHUPADA, to simply make money by selling their beef eater speaker's DVDs? All the devotees we know are absolutely appalled that Srila Prabhupada's photos are being linked to the speakers of these DVDs, as if Srila Prabhupada endorses their speaking. Even the bogus GBC does not use photos of Srila Prabhupada to sell beef eater's DVDs!
Wait! It gets worse, a PADA reader reports that some of the speakers they advertise on their sites are also promoting "hunters rights," i.e. using guns to hunt and kill animals. Some of these folks also have the idea that WW III is coming soon, so you had better hone your survival skills, such as -- squirrel, rabbit and deer hunting. OK, so they are placing the photo of KRISHNA's acharya next to people who are promoting hunting animals with guns, and killing animals in general.
We need to practice up on our -- squirrel, rabbit and deer hunting? And now we have to apologize to Janardan and Prahlad etc. because our protesting their juxtaposing Srila Prabhupada with advocates of -- shooting animals and rabbit hunting is not "proper vaishnava etiquette"? OK, promoting people who are shooting animals is proper vaishnava etiquette? Where are they learning their vaishnava etiquette from, the deer hunter's digest?
And if we do not apologize for protesting their rabbit hunting in the name of acharyas program, this is "not vaishnava etiquette"?
Photo of the acharyas next to promoters of -- animal hunting?
Janardana Das, prabhu, with all due respect, you accuse me of having no life and being obsessed over PADA? I have only been at this for about 5 days now, after my good friend was personally attacked for no good reason. With my efforts and Prahlad Das efforts combined ...
[PADA: Told ya, Janardan is promoting the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad beef eater DVD program, and rabbit hunting program, all using the photo of the acharya? This is question one in a series. We will ask more later. Right now they need to explain this point, or else it seems, there is no explanation. ys pd]
Related article here:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/07/sanat-mukunda-prahlad-support-gaudiya.html
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