Mahanidhi swami scandal expands (click link here):
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/mahanidhi-scandal-expands-other-iskcon.html
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It is with great sadness that I report that it is 100% confirmed that HH Mahaniddhi Swami has fallen down and has been doing so for quite some time. As it turns out she is an older married lady who was working closely with him on his books. Her name may be Madhavai but more data is coming in.
It seems he had about 60 disciples whom he confided in, which the majority have rejected him. What is exceptionally heart rendering is that 12 basic families from around the world sold their houses, land or other assets to build homes near Mananidhi Swami near Radha Kunda and now have been cut adrift. They are heart broken, confused and have thrown away his CDs and burned his books.
He did take Babaji initiation from one, RamKrsnadas babaji and had his picture on his alter next to Srila Prabhupada. I'm surprised you didn't see it when you visited him? A GBC named Tomohara praabhu, from Alachua visited him in the last few days but wouldn't be surprised if damage control has taken president over honest and transparent information.
One disciple's name is Damodhara who has come forward but should have much more information in a couple of days. Apparently he's stopped initiating but a group of ladies are still approaching him in hopes of becoming part of his lila or pastimes. Not sure how many more of these the ISKCON world is going to have before they seriously realize voting in Gurus isn't the way to go......
Maha
The last news Haribol vaisnavas...bad news in Vraj...mahanidhi <<swami>> fall down with a reach lady..all disciples rejected him etc ..... he also resigned from iskcon after GKG gave him the oportunity. to go to Delhi temple n stay with the bramacharis if u need to hear all details call Giridhari 09897657891 in Radhakund
He did take Babaji initiation from one, RamKrsnadas babaji and had his picture on his alter next to Srila Prabhupada. I'm surprised you didn't see it when you visited him? A GBC named Tomohara praabhu, from Alachua visited him in the last few days but wouldn't be surprised if damage control has taken president over honest and transparent information.
One disciple's name is Damodhara who has come forward but should have much more information in a couple of days. Apparently he's stopped initiating but a group of ladies are still approaching him in hopes of becoming part of his lila or pastimes. Not sure how many more of these the ISKCON world is going to have before they seriously realize voting in Gurus isn't the way to go......
Maha
The last news Haribol vaisnavas...bad news in Vraj...mahanidhi <<swami>> fall down with a reach lady..all disciples rejected him etc ..... he also resigned from iskcon after GKG gave him the oportunity. to go to Delhi temple n stay with the bramacharis if u need to hear all details call Giridhari 09897657891 in Radhakund
So sad. Not about Mahanidhi (Greatly needy of female association) but because of a similar rumor I heard about another "guru" who has yet to admit he is fallen. Seems you can have all the sex you want to and steal all the money you can but once you admit to ISKCON you did it you lose some disciples. But not to worry, once you come back to your senses and realize what you gave up you can always just come back and pretend that nothing ever happened. You won't get as many disciples to sell their houses for you but that is what you get for telling the truth. The lesson you should learn oh Maha Needy is to never admit anything in the first place, just cheat your disciples all to hell.
ReplyDeleteplease reveal who this "other guru" is that you are saying has fallen down and not admitting it? dont leave us speculating and guessing as to who it may be. please reveal.
DeleteHare Krishna Giridhari das lives in Radha kund for purpose of furthering krishna consciousness not for discussing such topics as this. Your calls on this subject will not be appreciated
ReplyDeletestop spreading falsehoods! my guru is a pure devotee. not only did he take initiation from prabhupada, but he also took a more advanced initiation from ramkrishna das babji. until you can show me gurudeva's own words admitting a falldown, or a gbc statement about the falldown...until then i wont believe a word you say. you ritvik guys are demons posing as devotees. you take pleasure in reporting rumors of guru falldowns. what type of vaisnava takes pleasure in glorifying another vaisnavas difficulties? you are all venomous blasphemors! my gurudev did not fall, he is a radha kunda brijibasi and pure soul.
ReplyDeleteWhoa. I have no comments on this matter until I hear more, especially from Mahaniddhi, but I have to ask, what is this "more advanced initiation from RamKrishna das Babaji?" There is no such thing as a more advanced initiation above the initiation(s) received from Srila Prabhupada. Whoever says there is such a thing is in illusion, no matter who thinks like that and says like that. Srila Prabhupada warned us about staying in Radha Kunda and associating with the babajis.
Deletethe older married lady's name is rasrangini dd (Gita bidani )from noida
ReplyDeleteits all her doings !!!
This is the result of not following Srila Prabhupada instructions, and not have enough faith in his guidance and protection. What a shame. Mahanidhi probably is not the last one, those who do not appreciate enoghu Srila Prabhupada will have the same problems
ReplyDeleteAnonymous on August 2, 2013 at 4:46 AM. "Until you can show me a gbc statement about the falldown then I won't believe a word you say"? History has shown that so long as the "guru" says the entire GBC is wrong and "envious" of him the fooled disciples will continue to sell everything they have to give money to him. What for? So he can enjoy with women? Go ahead worship this person who accepted someone who gave him "a more advanced initiation" than Prabhupada. Ha ha ha! More advanced?! Give me a break! Even when the guru admits his falldowns the disciples are so brainwashed into thinking he is pure it sometimes takes a decade or two before they snap out of their illusion.
ReplyDeleteAnd this statement is just ludicrous, "not only did he take initiation from Prabhupada". Is that what they are telling you now in your country, that if you took initiation from srila Prabhupada you are a pure devotee? Trust me, the Prabhupada disciples took over the movement after he left the planet and sent the whole society to hell.
There is only one reason the Prabhupada disciples were allowed to do this, because Lord Krishna wanted the grand disciples who joined to become purified. Therefore he allowed the Prabhupada disciples to exploit the grand disciples. The grand disciples will all go back to Godhead. But those among the Prabhupada disciples who think they can cheat their way back to Godhead just because they were initiated by Srila Prabhupada will rot in hell.
Here is a proof for u (letter form GBC about Maha needy) http://www.dandavats.com/?p=11799
DeleteNo problem!Sex with her big,
ReplyDeleteThe case of Mahanidhi now is public, but how many "sannyasis", "gurus" are not reported, hidden? How easy is be sannyasi and guru". I heard about a "sannyasi" from Venezuela, and now "new guru", who is addict, enjoy watching porno. He was discovered years ago in Costa Rica, ISKCON farm, keeping files in his laptop containing heavy pornography. Devotees from this farm saw him enjoying porno. And now is "guru"? How is possible? OMG!
ReplyDeleteSince u r so specific with details about the incident in Costa Rica, pls reveal the names..
DeleteThis ridiculous equation needs to be debunked in the minds of all the ignorant'new Bhaktas-: "sannyasi=gbc=guru=pure Devotee" (Did I miss out anything in this bogus truth that is routinely believed by all potential initiates in ISKCON initiation factories?)
ReplyDeleteOne easy way to save ourselves from bogus teachings is to free ourselves from the 'curse'(actually a blessing from him...but we must follow) "If u do not read my books for 2 he's every day,I guarantee you will fall down!"
Practically all the answers to the questions raised by this"falling pure devotees"rubbish can be found in the last 2 paragraphs of Srila Prabhupada's purport to NOIText 5.
From http://vedabase.net/noi/5/
<< In this verse Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between thekaniṣṭha-adhikārī, madhyama-adhikārīand uttama-adhikārī. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Śrīla BhaktivinodaṬhākura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikārīVaiṣṇava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaiṣṇavism. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform ofuttama-adhikārī. A neophyte Vaiṣṇava or aVaiṣṇava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikārī as a spiritual master. >>
Prabhavishnu 'swami's takedown was hidden by the BBC ten long years before he was exposed for maintaining a relationship with a prostitute in Bangkok, yet, like on Broadway, "the show must go on at all Costa" why? Simply because the show started, the audience paid money and must not be disappointed! So at last here's ISKCON KL Ratha Yatra he was still honoured and I was even offered his "Maha MAHA" food remnants to 'honour' which I politely rejected... It has become the Society of The Cheaters & The Cheated..ISKCON,it's gone!
ReplyDeleteThese people have no morals and no idea what the word scruples means...yet they want to pose as Gurus! Just be simple and take S P's teachings As It Is: Lord C taught..Only he/she who has got love of God is the true guru. And the true guru is the one who acts as a perfect disciple of his master, never one who thinks or acts like he is guru! Guru-disciple relationship id a personal one voluntarily entered into BY TWO MATURE INDIVIDUALS! Never does any 3rd party come into the picture! Krsna will send us the pure Devotee or his genuine disciple when we are ready.meanwhile accept and follow Srila Prabhupada and/or the 6 Goswamis as our personal Siksha gurus (as specifically recommended by Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur when answering the question of what to do if I don't have guru and can't even identify one), and keep on practising Bhakti according to NOI , 'meticulously avoid' (see Harinama Cintamani) bad Devotee association and sincerely serve those devotees whom Lord Krsna mercifully sends into our lives in the course of our endeavour to execute Bhakti Seva. Caitya guru Lord Paramatma will arrange this and guide us. But ifwe continue to keep bad association then the result will be we become sceptical of all devotees and hesitate to serve anyone...then truly all hope of progressing in Bhakti will perish..
Hare Krsna.
ReplyDeletePlease stop this nonsense.
Mahanidhi Swami is a great soul. Srila Prabhupada initiated his disciples who were 18 ant 19 and gave them sanyas innitiation. Srila Prabhupada took this chance. He wanted to spread Krsna Consciousness. He knew that some of them were going to fall as in the case of Rishi Kumar. There is no fall down in KC. Mahanidhi Swami is light years ahead then most of us.
His realization are so deep. Krsna says in the BG 2:60 Indriyani Pramathini Haranti Prasabham Manah. The senses are so strong and impetuous, O Arjuna, that they forcibly carry away the mind even of a man of discrimination who is endeavoring to control them. Like when we go to war some of our comrades gets wounded. We dont leave them. We dont disown them. In fact we help them. We bring them back to our tents. We all are fighting against maya.
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Narottam das thakur das.
This is kali yuga, anything is possible. We should not be minding over who is falling down or going up, we can only take care of ourselves. Just like a honey bee we can extract good things from others, just like mahanidhi swami lives in Radhakund and has been so for many years that's one thing worth appreciating for, and the fact that he has learnt so much of gaudiya sampradaya and has preached very well
ReplyDeleteI think mahanidhi swami's fall down was long coming and purely self invited.In the year 2012 he was giving discourses on Sadhana TV, a spiritual tv channel of India on Lord Krishna's confidential Rasa Leela Past Times in front of his followers. It was a severe offence when ACBSP had declared that he himself was unqualified to speak on the subject to one of his wealthy patrons in Chennai India during his Leela on Earth.
ReplyDeleteSince when did Mahanidhi Swami become more qualified than ACBSP is beyond my understanding! My heart felt sympathies to his disciples devotees and followers who lost so much money time and energy in following MNS. Do not be shaken by this fall down and take full shelter of acbsp's genuine books and instructions is all I can say!
A note of Caution and advise for all young devotees coming to or inside Krishna Consciousness.Never put your trust on any live individual too much so that your own life is tattered because of his/her fall down.And never make the mistake of selling everything and donating your money to anyone. Always remember Lord Chaitanya's Advise, Stay put at your own place read books and chant daily.
Colonel Zaysen
This rasikal mood should be stopped if we don't want to become a bunch of sahjiyas/tantrikas. I was at the point to visit him daily for the next kartik and hear his topics, very elevated topics.
DeleteBut the worst is that he was one of the Aidra's best friend , himself engaged in describing high level of bhati.
Back to the sources: sadhana bhakti, vayragya, Srila Prabhupada. Raganuga bhakti is not for us.
I beg you to refer Srila Prabhupada's letter, Los Angeles, June 21, 1970 to Tamal Krishna Goswami.
DeleteIn Nectar of Devotion, Part One, 2:The First Stages of Devotion, I have read as follows so if you may consider referring them as well: "Now this sādhana-bhakti, or practice of devotional service, may also be divided into two parts. The first part is called service according to regulative principles...That is called vaidhi, or regulated. One has to do it without argument. Another part of sādhana-bhakti is called rāgānugā."
It's in fact not Maharaja's problem. It's our problem! We always point at others while the other three fingers point at us. If we didn't have any envy in our hearts, we wouldn't have to point out another devotees faults or weaknesses. So the problem is that we still have envy in our hearts. Let's work at this in the first place! Jay RadheShyam!
ReplyDeleteSorry but didnt anyone notice that apparently ISKCON gurus are secret disciples of sahajiya ? Isnt that more important than poor old mahanidhi prabhu's plight?
ReplyDeleteWhy is everyone Guru-consciouss and not Krishna-conscious?
ReplyDeleteWhatever you learned from this Maharaja or ANYONE else, that helped you be more Krishna conscious is a very precious thing and shouldn't be so lightly thrown away. This Swami is another human, who probably gave a lot of sincerity and dedication to his guru and disciples for many years until something went wrong. One day you might find yourself in this situation and finally realize what it feels like. Or maybe not. Who cares. I believe we shouldn't so easily disrespect other beings. Remember that everyone makes mistakes. And criticizing is one of your mistakes.
Our qualities can be judged by the way we live after our mistakes.
very well said!
DeleteTotally agree with you prabhuji. This is the Vaishnava way to deal with such circumstances.
DeleteBest comment.
Deleteyes, this is the proper attitude
DeleteHare Krishna, very very nice comment and attitude, thank you, Haribol!!!
DeleteSukadeva Goswami talks anbout gurus falling down 5,000 years ago, it happend in the past, it is happeing in the present, and it will happen again in the future. The GBC can only MINIMIZE the falldowns.
ReplyDeleteThe best place to start is to very strictly implement for all sannyasis the example of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Maharaja of NEVER EVER BEING ALONE WITH A WOOMAN and only then can the GBC bring down the guru falldown rate from 50% to less than 10 or 5%
Totally agree.
DeleteThe vitiated GBC's policy of voting on or rubber stamping gurus is deviant and very damaging to Prabhupāda's ISKCON. Can anyone prove beyond reasonable doubt that Śrīla Prabhupāda authorized his GBC to rubberstamp/authorize/qualify spiritual masters?
DeleteWho can qualify a spiritual master but another spiritual master? The vitiated GBC is a mundane ecclesiastical convention. The real GBC was intended to act as a governing body, not the spiritual head of ISKCON.
The current GBC is not following Śrīla Prabhupāda's instructions as outlined in his Direction of Management. In fact, the current GBC has created its own rules, and has created its own legal identity, the "GBC Society of West Bengal, Inc." Incorporated in 1993.
In my experience, those who accept the current "GBC" as the topmost authority in ISKCON (read, absolute-spiritual authority) has a compromised conception of Kṛṣṇa consciousness tainted with karma. Such persons fail to see that they are worshipping an institution headed by a deviant body based on democratic structure. Prabhupāda never intended the GBC to be the supreme (spiritual) authority of ISKCON. He intended the GBC to be the supreme GOVERNING authority, like the king of a society, which is subject to the brahminical head.
Rubber stamping gurus invites laziness on the part of prospective disciples because such disciples may defer responsibility of selecting a qualified guru to a third party, the "GBC".
The current "GBC" policy for governing spiritual masters in ISKCON is very detrimental to the growth of authentic Kṛṣṇa consciousness, as Śrīla Prabhupāda delivered.
I am sorry to here the recent news regarding Mahanidhi das there are two people involved here and I think this women should have protected this person in the renounced order by keeping herself to herself I know this is not a popular view, but we ladies have a lot of power in this regard and it should not be used to exploit men in the renounced order. If that is a womens desire she should, go and find a man outside who is single that would be the simpler option, why do women pursue such unsuitable men, I am frankly confused.
ReplyDeleteWomen pursue unsuitable men because it's more exciting for them.
DeleteIt is not natural for a man and women to not want to be together. Taking on that vow, whether the man or women does so, causes it to come out in inappropriate ways. Look at nature...male and female together, look at the source of creation: Sacred male and female. Let us please stop trying to deny this. The denial of male and female connection is causing so many problems.
Deleteif a man does good all his life, and does one bad thing, he will only be remembered for the bad thing. All those who condemn must remember that it also applies to them.
ReplyDeleteIt is indeed a factual truth that women have the potency to allure men by their enchanting feminine qualities. By the arrangement of material nature, which works under the supervision of the Supreme Lord, the female form has been endowed with such a trait. Therefore, it is justifiably said that women are like fire and men are like butter. One of the most notorious example of this, as we have learned from the Srimad-Bhagavatam is Lord Brahma, the first created living being of the universe, who, upon contemplating the beauty of his own daughter became sexually agitated and run after her like a mad man. Now, Lord Brahma, or the living entity assigned to such a preponderant position within the material universes, may not necessarily be a pure Krsna-bhakta, but just an entity who, by severe penances and austerities has accumulated an enormous amount of pious merits, but who, on account of not being totally free from material attachment, may still be subject to the influence of Maya-Devi, the insurmountable illusory energy of the Lord. Now, let us see, briefly, what the actual state of pure devotion to the Lord is and what its symptoms are: in the 1st part, Ch.1 of B.R. Sindhu, entitled, "Characteristics of Pure Devotional Service", Srila Prabhupada, making reference to Srila Rupa Goswami, writes: "He declares that there are six characteristics of pure devotional service which are as follows: 1) pure devotional service causes inmediate relief from all material aflictions. 2) pure devotional service is the begining of all auspiciousness. 3) pure devotional service automaticaly places one in a position of enjoying transcendental pleasure. 4) pure devotional service is very rarely achieved. 5) those who are situated in pure devotional service are not interested even in the concept of liberation. 6) pure devotional service is the only means by which one can atract Krsna". So, after carefully analizing these characteristics of pure devotion to God, one unmistakenly has to conclude, that anyone who is situated in such an elevated spiritual platform can never fall down from it under any circumstance. One of the best examples of this is Srila Haridas Thakura who was, as is revealed in Caitanya-caritamrta, actually visited by Maya-Devi herself, whom, after failing in her attempt to disrupt Srila Haridasa's unswerving meditation on His beloved Lord, fell postrated at his lotus feet humbly asking him to be accepted as his disciple. So, it is a conclusive fact that, as it's stated in the NOI, if a conditioned soul wants to be liberated from the miseries of material existence he has to take shelter, hear from, and render sincere service to that 'rare soul' who is a pure devotee of the Lord and who in this world, for all practical purposes, is referred to as an Uttama-Adhikari. My humble obeisances to all. all glories to Srila Prabhupada! Jai Sri-Sri Goura-Nitai! Hare Krsna!
ReplyDeleteWhere is his resignation letter?
ReplyDeleteHELLo all of you out there! I just would like to share my concern. Stop blaming each other. if we say this swami is wrong because not following prabhupada instruction. then why prabhupada choose such people to be sanyasi in such a young age. they should be given enough training before been given such a high position of sanyasi's, or at-least have a vedic background family. But please remind our self, prabhupada did say to some intimate follower, that when he is no more in this world, most of his follower will fall and we will see more grahasta-guru (acarya representative). I think it is time for everyone who owe prabhupada after receiving his massage; to do some drastic move, to save our parama-acarya's name and Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu grace. Its unite or been destroy by other (so-call) well establish religion.- Sri Radha Syamasuder Servant in Seremban, Malaysia.
ReplyDeleteThere is so much which we don't know.
ReplyDeleteLet's stop with the speculation and instead focus on gathering more information. You can help by signing the petition for the GBC Executive Committee to release the letter wherein Mahanidhi Swami allegedly resigned from ISKCON:
https://www.change.org/petitions/iskcon-gbc-executive-committee-release-mahanidhi-swami-s-letter-wherein-he-resigned-from-iskcon
Imagine if there was an internet posting every time a grihasta engaged in a grihamedhi act. I just say that to put it in perspective. People that spent 90 percent of their life renounced undoubtably have offered much service; but yes, its a razor's edge. I agree with previous poster; sannyasis and brahmacaris should never be alone with women, no matter how advanced or mature you think you are.
ReplyDeleteFrom: Internet: "Peter Nicoloff"
ReplyDeleteDate: 07-Aug-13 18:38 +0530
Reference: Text PAMHO:25405682 by Parijata (dd) RNS (IC Mumbai - IN)
Cc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [7219],
IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee) [3807]
Comments: Text PAMHO:25418148 by Pancharatna (das) GKG (ISKCON Brahmapur,
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Subject: Re: Letter from GBC EC
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Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I just spoke to Mahanidhi Maharaja for a long time and I am convinced that he has been framed, some envious disciples really attached him and have destroyed his reputation. So Maharaja is laying low, and just wants to chant and recover from all this. He never had an illicit relationship with any women, it is all rumors.
Your servant,
Pancagauda das
Mahanidhi may have or may not have had sexual relationships with a woman but celibacy is not a real indicator of spiritual advancement. Preaching is necessary but it is also fine if someone wants to become more immersed in personal bhajan. My best wishes to Mahanidhi in his new pursuits. I wish that his followers would be less rejecting and would see broader perspective, past institutional framework.
DeleteThank you for your hope that he is innocent but GBC has based their statement on first hand accounts of people who lived with him(not those who know him through books and lectures). Please also consider that these devotees are all well educated, well mannered and wealthy. Why would they abandon him? Do we really think they conspired against him? What would they gain? Obviously what they saw made them leave him. But OK believe whatever you want. You can fool some people sometimes and can fool yourself all the time.
ReplyDeleteSrila Prabhupada was once asked, Prabhupada are you afraid of anything? His response was, "I am always afraid of Maya." For those of us who are trying to be servants of devotees we should remember that even Lord Brahma became attracted so what to speak of us western born Kali Yuga babies who back in our young age experienced Maya's power.
ReplyDeleteThe foremost quality of a Vaishnava is compassion - period. Mahanidhi is my dear Godbrother and I pray for him to become strong in his sadhana again. However, I can help him in any way I will for that is our mission. We go out every day and we the most fallen try to help other fallen souls - correct? For those who are hurt by his actions please take it as a lesson and warning to always beg for protection and strength. Your most fallen and trying to be a humble servant of Srila Prabhupada and my Godbrothers, Krishna Gopal das
http://www.dandavats.com/?p=12022#more-12022
ReplyDeleteOfficial Statement and Resolution Regarding Mahanidhi Swami–Released by the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON October 28, 2013
At its recent meetings in Mumbai, India, the Governing Body Commission (GBC) of ISKCON passed a resolution regarding Mahanidhi Swami. That resolution is found below followed by a brief excerpt of the GBC Executive Committee’s letter to Mahanidhi Swami’s disciples and followers.
It is Resolved that:
Mahanidhi Swami has stated that he has resigned from ISKCON, therefore he is suspended as initiating guru and sannyasi within ISKCON. We would like Mahanidhi Swami to return to ISKCON. Should he choose to do so, he should approach the GBC Executive Committee, and assisted by the Sannyasa Ministry, agree upon a complete program for his rectification and reinstatement.
The letter to Mahanidhi Swami’s followers contains the following:
We want to offer our appreciation for your courage and humility in approaching the GBC Executive Committee with your concerns regarding Mahanidhi Swami’s problematic behavior.
We know that it was difficult and painful for you to come forward. We also know that you did so only after multiple, genuine efforts to assist your diksha guru by speaking with him directly.
We respect the sincerity of your efforts to help him, and we respect that you approached the GBC in a sincere mood of doing what was best for both Mahanidhi Swami and ISKCONi
We encourage you–especially at this time–to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada and his instructions, as he is the preeminent siksha guru for all ISKCON devotees.
We also encourage you to take shelter of other senior devotees in ISKCON. As long as you continue to take guidance of Srila Prabhupada and his sincere followers and remain strict in your spiritual practices, you will be safe and secure under Lord Krishna’s protection.
The GBC Executive Committee also wishes to request the devotees of ISKCON to offer their prayers for Mahanidhi Swami. We also request all ISKCON devotees to extend their full support, friendship and understanding to the disciples and followers of Mahanidhi Swami, who themselves are remaining as faithful followers of Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON society.
Your servants,
The GBC Executive Committee
Tamohara das, Chair
Anuttama das
Praghosa das
Wow! If somebody having sex (allegedly) out so many people I think the reaction is worse than the crime.
ReplyDeleteAgree. People who have illicit affairs are not the actual problem, that deviation is quite common in Kali Yuga. The problem is -- that a person who still has these desires should not pose as God's successor, just saying! ys pd
ReplyDeleteAnybody who poses as God's successor is out to lunch anyway. The question I want answered is were the books he wrote any good and how does that change if he has a personal problem. AND I'm leaning towards innocent not proven guilty but everyone is free to make whatever judgements they like.
DeleteIf you'll permit, I have another thought. On several occasions according to what I have heard that Srila Prabhupada said he was praying that he not fall down. The greatest proponent of Krishna Consciousness the world has ever known excepting Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda was praying that HE not fall down. If every preacher who falls down is to be discarded then we will all wind up sitting alone in our rooms reading Prabhupad's books. I don't see that as the best way to spread Krishna Consciousness. At the same time if it is a fact that someone has abused someone I will vehement ly call for not only their ouster but their imprisonment or death.
DeleteYes, neophyte devotees are falling down left, right and center, which is why they are not supposed to take the post of guru. As for praying not to fall down, even Lord Chaitanya did not want to associate with women after He became sannyasa, that is not because He is going to fall down, its to teach us a lesson not to be careless in spiritual affairs. Preachers fall down, agreed, but Mahanidh has been claiming to be a guru, that is not the same as claiming to be a conditioned neophyte like the rest of us. You are mixing apples and oranges. ys pd
ReplyDeleteI believe there is more than one type of guru.
ReplyDeleteIn Nectar of Instruction Srila Prabhupada says that Kanistha and Madhyama Adhikari can become Guru, but one should accept an Uttama Adhikari as a
Guru. I am not aware of Mahanidi's claims as to his advancement. I think many people over value themselves.
Srila Prabhupada says if a neophyte takes the post of acharya he will eventually degrade from the offense, and that is what happened to most of the GBC gurus, and now Mahanidhi. Mahanidhi claimed to be a diksha guru, that means he is saying he can absorb sins like Jesus, sorry he is not another Jesus.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that anyone who gives initiation is claiming to be able to absorb your sin or that Mahanidhi in particular made this claim about himself? I am aware that some Christians make statements like this but can you tell me where in the Bible Jesus says this?
ReplyDeleteSrila Prabhupada said that if we neophytes allow people to touch our feet, we will be acting as diksha gurus, and we will get sick or fall down. He also said Jesus is absorbing sins for his followers now. Yes, neophytes cannot allow themselves to act as diksha gurus, diksha aka -- di (divyam jnanam) and ksha (absorb / nullify sins). Mahanidhi said he is a diksha guru, he thinks he is another Jesus who can absorb sins. He ain't another Jesus, simply stated. We are not allowed to act as Jesus, its called being very puffed up, and there is severe punishment in future life also says the Isopanisad. Its forbidden. ys pd
ReplyDeletePersonly I don't accept.anything about Jesus is historically accurate. Prabhupad talke about Jesus as his listeners were familiar with Jesus he neither followed Jesus nor biblical Christianity.In fact if Christianity were true Prabhuada would be unsaved as would I and I guess you. I wouldn't let anybody touch my feet or put my picture on their altar. Once a crazy man wanted to and I had a hell of a time convincing him not to. Just because someone says you're their guru doesn't mean they listen to you. I started out wondering if the Swami's books are. worth reading andI'm guessing you would say no. It has been an interesting conversation here. I am thinking from what you have said that you don't think there is a qualified Guru that one should now accept Prabhupada as the Christians accept Jesus. I have no problem with that. BUT how would I know Prabhupada accepts me can you give me that assurance? And couldn't I just be a disciple of Prahlad or Caitanya by the same method? I'm pretty sure you have an answer but I can't imagine what it will be. I always thought you needed to find a person that you could have faith in and listen to them submissively and serve them and if they were genuine they would remove your doubts increase your faith and answer any questions that arise. I think maybe Prabhupada's books do all those things if you have enough faith. But I don't think that was his instruction to read his books and accept him. What I remember was that you had to search and ask questions to find someone. Did he really say he was it and don't follow anyon else? That is hard for me to believe unless you can show me where in the original published version of his books it says that.
ReplyDeleteI never said we are followers of Christianity? I said Srila Prabhupada told us that Jesus is accepting sins because he is a pure devotee. And he also said if we neophytes attempt to do that, we will get sick, fall down or both.
ReplyDeleteDoes Srila Prabhupada accept people as his disciples now? Yes, we are making many new Prabhupadanugas all over the place. Srila Prabhupada says anyone who reads his books is getting initiation (diksha = divyman jnanam which destroys sins). If you have another source of diksha, what is it?
You have to identify your source of diksha? If he is not going to be doing that, who is? Srila Prabhupada wanted us neophytes to act as shiksha gurus or instructing gurus, so yes, there will be living persons doing the preaching.
We never said that there will be no living persons? We are living, and we are preaching, and so are hundreds of other Prabhupadanugas. That is "whom" you ask about spiritual topics, those who are his followers, Just like: that is who you ask if you want to know about the Bible, you ask the people who are reading it and have some expertise on the topic.
Where does Srila Prabhupada say you have to follow him -- in his books? He doesn't, he just says, here is the Vedic knowledge, I am giving it, you are free to accept it or not. No one is forced to do anything in Vedic process. You read the Vedas out of free will, and if you accept them you get the benefit, no one is told they have to accept anything.
You have free will. Of course the Vedas warn that if you do not worship Krishna you may have future birth problems, but the Bible and all other books say the same things, we'd like you to follow, and if you do not there are consequences, all religions teach that. Srila Prabhupada said the guru is like the sun, he is self - effulgent, the Sun does not need to tell anyone it is the source of light, its just is. You either accept or you do not. ys pd
Thank you. That makes sense.
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