Protection Under the Constitution
BY: ROCANA DASA
In yesterday's segment on "Mahavishnu Swami's Preaching", we said that today we would look at the situation in the context of the draft Constitution for ISKCON As It Is. As we said in an earlier As It Is news report, we're going to try and demonstrate how some of the problematic situations going on in ISKCON would be prevented or decisively dealt with under the Constitution.
[PADA: Fine except that main problem that ISKCON is suffering from is Rocana and his deviant living guru program. Rocana keeps saying we need to worship his living gurus, and then we keep finding out his living gurus are bogus, troublemakers, debauchess and even criminals. Rocana keeps saying there will be (A) living gurus and (B) a GBC. Rocana keeps thinking that Krishna's successors and gurus are "managed" by a defective and conditioned "Governing Body"? Where was that ever done?]
ROCANA: As we pointed out when applying this construct to the recent Mahanidhi Swami situation, the Constitution is only in draft form and will undoubtedly change and improve as the workgroup members share their thoughts on how our Society's philosophical principles should be enshrined in such a document. But as it stands at this writing, here are some of the ways the proposed Constitution for ISKCON As It Is would have prevented this situation, and / or would deal with it after the fact.
[PADA: You cannot "deal with" (and thus fix) deviant gurus, you have to admit they are not, and were not, gurus in the first place. If someone is deviating, he never was a guru from square one.]
ROCANA: First, all members of the society -- from the congregational members to the highest levels of leadership -- will have an equal freedom and duty to scrutinize the performance of our leaders. A process will be in place to ensure that their concerns are not ignored or dismissed, but are acted upon immediately and in proper measure according to the philosophy.
[PADA: Now Rocana has gone back to his previous 1986 idea that he will reform, monitor, and control, the behavior of gurus. How did Rocana become the master of the acharyas?]
ROCANA: Second, under the Constitution the members have various protected rights, including freedom of speech and freedom of information (leadership disclosure and free press). So complaints about Mahavishnu Swami would have a means to surface, without censorship or recrimination. If devotees at any level of the Society inform the leadership of a problem, and feel the leaders are not taking prompt or right action, they are free to take their complaints to the public.
[PADA: Which previous acharyas were deviating and had to have their bad behavior exposed in public?]
ROCANA: Third, there will be disclosure and transparency. News that the GBC has received complaints about the behavior of a guru or sannyasi (and Mahavishnu is both, by the way), and that those complaints have been confirmed as accurate, will not be kept a secret.
[PADA: Except that the real problem is that Mahavishnu being advertised as a guru, and since Mahavishnu is a guru, and that means he is above any complaints, corrections and so on.]
ROCANA: This is information that every member has a right of access to, and the GBC have a duty to disclose. We will not be some kind of secret society whose privileged leaders can keep information hidden, and leverage it to their own best use.
[PADA: Except they are not being advertised as leaders, but acharyas.]
ROCANA: If there are allegations that prove to be factual and well-founded, they will become public knowledge. Everyone in the society -- every stakeholder in the chain of relationships -- will be as fully informed as possible so they can all take appropriate measures. They will not be made to wait months, or even years for the news to finally creep out, long after the damage is done. (And there are provisions to allow the leaders to selectively make certain information public only to the members, and not to the non-devotee public).
[PADA: Rocana's gurus keep failing, and so he keeps making ad hoc plans how to fix his deviant gurus, but there is no such thing as a deviant guru? The idea that we have to take action against acharyas for deviations is -- an offense to the actual acharyas.]
ROCANA: Because the GBC will have a constitutional duty to act on complaints and to disclose their actions, we will foster an environment in the Society where it is no longer necessary to constantly air dirty laundry on the Internet, for all the world to read.
[PADA: Wow! Now Rocana is saying that acharyas are full of dirty behaviors, dirty activities and dirty laundry. Why does Rocana keep saying since the 1970s, that the Lord's successors and acharyas are simultaneously -- dirty rotten scoundrels?]
ROCANA: It is necessary today, and has been for the last 20 years, because the GBC refuse to do their duty: they ignore complaints, refuse to communicate, will not be held accountable, rarely disclose information, have no oversight, and basically do, or don't do, whatever they please.
[PADA: Because no guru has ever had any oversight committee to answer to, the guru is getting dictation direct from Krishna and not from Rocana.]
ROCANA: Consequently in most cases, the only way members of the Society can get any attention onto a problem is to disclose it publicly and hope that someone acts. In other words, justice in ISKCON usually unfolds in reverse order, if at all.
[PADA: Because the idea that the messiahs from God need a committee to impose corrections simply does not work, in any religion.]
ROCANA: Fourth, there will be brahminical oversight of the governing body members, ensuring that the latter body does not become unwittingly entangled in their own managerial situations, or compromised in such a way that they cannot act to remediate problems with other leaders of the society, who may likely be their friends and peers.
[PADA: A guru needs no oversight committee, the whole idea is bogus. Rocana is still trying to fix his original mistake, he annointed fools as his acharyas who need correction. Rocana needs to quit rubber stamping fools as his living gurus, then the whole problem will be fixed. ys pd]
BY: ROCANA DASA
In yesterday's segment on "Mahavishnu Swami's Preaching", we said that today we would look at the situation in the context of the draft Constitution for ISKCON As It Is. As we said in an earlier As It Is news report, we're going to try and demonstrate how some of the problematic situations going on in ISKCON would be prevented or decisively dealt with under the Constitution.
[PADA: Fine except that main problem that ISKCON is suffering from is Rocana and his deviant living guru program. Rocana keeps saying we need to worship his living gurus, and then we keep finding out his living gurus are bogus, troublemakers, debauchess and even criminals. Rocana keeps saying there will be (A) living gurus and (B) a GBC. Rocana keeps thinking that Krishna's successors and gurus are "managed" by a defective and conditioned "Governing Body"? Where was that ever done?]
ROCANA: As we pointed out when applying this construct to the recent Mahanidhi Swami situation, the Constitution is only in draft form and will undoubtedly change and improve as the workgroup members share their thoughts on how our Society's philosophical principles should be enshrined in such a document. But as it stands at this writing, here are some of the ways the proposed Constitution for ISKCON As It Is would have prevented this situation, and / or would deal with it after the fact.
[PADA: You cannot "deal with" (and thus fix) deviant gurus, you have to admit they are not, and were not, gurus in the first place. If someone is deviating, he never was a guru from square one.]
ROCANA: First, all members of the society -- from the congregational members to the highest levels of leadership -- will have an equal freedom and duty to scrutinize the performance of our leaders. A process will be in place to ensure that their concerns are not ignored or dismissed, but are acted upon immediately and in proper measure according to the philosophy.
[PADA: Now Rocana has gone back to his previous 1986 idea that he will reform, monitor, and control, the behavior of gurus. How did Rocana become the master of the acharyas?]
ROCANA: Second, under the Constitution the members have various protected rights, including freedom of speech and freedom of information (leadership disclosure and free press). So complaints about Mahavishnu Swami would have a means to surface, without censorship or recrimination. If devotees at any level of the Society inform the leadership of a problem, and feel the leaders are not taking prompt or right action, they are free to take their complaints to the public.
[PADA: Which previous acharyas were deviating and had to have their bad behavior exposed in public?]
ROCANA: Third, there will be disclosure and transparency. News that the GBC has received complaints about the behavior of a guru or sannyasi (and Mahavishnu is both, by the way), and that those complaints have been confirmed as accurate, will not be kept a secret.
[PADA: Except that the real problem is that Mahavishnu being advertised as a guru, and since Mahavishnu is a guru, and that means he is above any complaints, corrections and so on.]
ROCANA: This is information that every member has a right of access to, and the GBC have a duty to disclose. We will not be some kind of secret society whose privileged leaders can keep information hidden, and leverage it to their own best use.
[PADA: Except they are not being advertised as leaders, but acharyas.]
ROCANA: If there are allegations that prove to be factual and well-founded, they will become public knowledge. Everyone in the society -- every stakeholder in the chain of relationships -- will be as fully informed as possible so they can all take appropriate measures. They will not be made to wait months, or even years for the news to finally creep out, long after the damage is done. (And there are provisions to allow the leaders to selectively make certain information public only to the members, and not to the non-devotee public).
[PADA: Rocana's gurus keep failing, and so he keeps making ad hoc plans how to fix his deviant gurus, but there is no such thing as a deviant guru? The idea that we have to take action against acharyas for deviations is -- an offense to the actual acharyas.]
ROCANA: Because the GBC will have a constitutional duty to act on complaints and to disclose their actions, we will foster an environment in the Society where it is no longer necessary to constantly air dirty laundry on the Internet, for all the world to read.
[PADA: Wow! Now Rocana is saying that acharyas are full of dirty behaviors, dirty activities and dirty laundry. Why does Rocana keep saying since the 1970s, that the Lord's successors and acharyas are simultaneously -- dirty rotten scoundrels?]
ROCANA: It is necessary today, and has been for the last 20 years, because the GBC refuse to do their duty: they ignore complaints, refuse to communicate, will not be held accountable, rarely disclose information, have no oversight, and basically do, or don't do, whatever they please.
[PADA: Because no guru has ever had any oversight committee to answer to, the guru is getting dictation direct from Krishna and not from Rocana.]
ROCANA: Consequently in most cases, the only way members of the Society can get any attention onto a problem is to disclose it publicly and hope that someone acts. In other words, justice in ISKCON usually unfolds in reverse order, if at all.
[PADA: Because the idea that the messiahs from God need a committee to impose corrections simply does not work, in any religion.]
ROCANA: Fourth, there will be brahminical oversight of the governing body members, ensuring that the latter body does not become unwittingly entangled in their own managerial situations, or compromised in such a way that they cannot act to remediate problems with other leaders of the society, who may likely be their friends and peers.
[PADA: A guru needs no oversight committee, the whole idea is bogus. Rocana is still trying to fix his original mistake, he annointed fools as his acharyas who need correction. Rocana needs to quit rubber stamping fools as his living gurus, then the whole problem will be fixed. ys pd]
Recently a devotee was pleading for a source to buy Srila Prabhupada's books in Russian language. They are getting very hard to find.
ReplyDelete"Perhaps Jayadvaita will explain to us the story of how literally millions of Russian translations of Srila Prabhupada's books stored in a giant warehouse were shredded. Yes, destroyed, because the storage cost was too high and it was considered that to give them out free or free to Russian devotees to distribute would not profit the BBTI, and would destroy the market for new printings of the books in the future. Yes, try to figure out the logic in that one."
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-09/editorials5496.htm
Dear Sir!
ReplyDeletePlease update this list of fallen ISKCON gurus!
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-09/editorials5364.htm
We several times tried to contact Sampradaya Sun chief editor but he refuses to talk to us. Meanwhile there were more fall-downs starting with Umapati, Prabhavishnu.
In any case THE SUN seems to put a smokescreen on this issue of more falldowns? Is there any explanation?