Tuesday, August 6, 2013

How Rocana is responsible for the Mahanidhi problem

PADA: Rocana das has wrote an article about how we are "still in the dark" about the whole Mahanidhi problem, what caused his failure, and so on and so forth. OK, except Rocana das forgets to mention that one of the most prominent persons who has caused all of these living guru failures, has been people like -- Rocana das himself. 

Rocana das is practically among the number one group of cheer leaders, advocates, and vociferous supporters of the entire "living guru" process all along since 1977. Rocana was also one of the people who said he was going to "reform" his living gurus in 1986, because he thinks he is the master of the acharyas, he can advise and reform these "living gurus."  

Rocana has admitted he wanted to make a "fifth estate" out cropping from ISKCON, and he did, he helped manufacture this whole living guru ideology in 1977, and the recent Mahanidhi episode is simply one example out of -- all too numerous -- failures in the Rocana "living guru" ideology program. Of course, among the first items Rocana's "reformers" did in 1986 was: To re-instate Bhanvananda (despite many reports of his homosexual antics); To re-assert Kirtanananda as a pure devotee; And to excommunicate Sulochana, which lead to Sulochana being assassinated; And which put the entire child molesting issue which Sulochana was addressing on ice.

Rocana has said all along since 1977 that we need to have these living gurus like Jayatirtha, Ramesvara, and others because without people like them acting as "living gurus," and their appointed successors like Mahanidhi also acting as "living gurus" we are "not following the tradition." So Mahanidhi was simply one of the many "living gurus" in Rocana's "traditional" so-called living guru program. In sum, the reason for these living gurus being established in the first place, and being cemented in -- even up to now -- by saying we need these living gurus (ok like Mahanidhi) is -- Rocana das.

Now the obvious question is, when is Rocana das going to accept responsibility for all the banning, beating, molesting, assassinations and so many other odious out croppings of his "living gurus"? And when is he going to finally admit he and his living guru program has destroyed Srila Prabhupada's mission, never mind it has molested thousands of children, murdered dissenters, and so on and so forth? ys pd  



  1. Just a thought prabhu. After reading over this comment from yourself.

    Rocan Das has pushed his version of everything - formally on the Sun site at least since 2005. That is now 8 years along.

    His entire site is premised upon his basic premise: Srila Prabhupada made no FORMAL arrangement concerning the "formal" confirmation of initiation for a single soul after his departure in 1977.

    That is it. That is the first term of every syllogism he generates as a consequence of every position he has ever taken on every contentious conclusion he promotes.

    His premise IS the problem; not only for himself - but for anyone who assigns value to his conclusions and the arguments he employs to promote them.

    It is either one thing or the other.
    Either SP made an arrangement - OR - he completely and utterly ignored or worse FORGOT to address the issue at all.

    Rocan openly states that SP DID NOT make any arrangement for initiation within his mission after he left us. Rocan's idea is that SP did not - because he COULD NOT have done so - and remained consistent with the teachings of the Acharyas in our Parampara. Such thinking and speaking on his part - is in fact an actual demonstration of his actual lack of FULL FAITH in Srila Prabhupada. And all of that is covered with the veneer of his supposed esteem for Srila Prabhupada as the "Sampradaya Acharya". He constantly alludes to HIS being the one person HE is confident accepts Srila Prabhupada as this "Sampradaya Acharya"! Pure Hubris.

    Srila Prabhupada was once asked on a walk by one of our Godbrothers Srila Prabhupada? Is marriage a fall down for a devotee?" and Srila Prabhupada responded while chuckling - "What is the question of fall down - for a fallen fellow? Marriage is simply a proof of one's actual real condition. That's all."

    Whatever has occurred in this latest event in Radha Kundha with Mahanidhi Prabhu only serves to demonstrate his already long established "real condition". Srila Prabhupada never sanctioned many of the things he indulged in; least of all one of HIS sannyasis retiring to reside in Radha Kundha, hearing from and serving the local "babjis" there, encouraging others to follow your lead there, writing HIS won books OR WORSE translating books authored by said babjis - as opposed to distributing Srila Prabhupada's books "without diverting his mind for a second" etc etc etc.

    Now his actual and real condition has been exposed. That's all.

    If he was operating under the "vigilant observation and strong management" of a GBC that was correctly functioning as per Srila Prabhupada's guidance he provided them on May 27th 1977 in his quarters then - this would have all been nipped in the bud loooooong ago.

    Rocan Das has never accepted that Srila Prabhupada arranged that his leaders and those he authorized to initiate on his behalf - could only do so - UNDER THE BANNER OF ISKCON - if they were always and only subject to the "vigilant observation and strong management" of GBC scrutiny and sanction that owes allllll of ITS authority from the publicly recorded instructions and guidance of Srila Prabhupada.

    The funny thing about Rocan Das's entire enterprise is that while he pretends to highly esteem Srila Prabhupada as our Sampradaya Acharya - he secretly denies this and denies Srila Prabhupada the actual authority to make any arrangement he damn well chooses being himself under the DIRECT ORDERS of Lord Krsna and Lord Chaitanya.

    Rocan has long ago proven his "real and actual condition".

    What is the question of his falling - from an already proven "fallen condition"?


  2. Praghosa has a point.


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