A very interesting story, by Haripada dasa
I am sharing a very interesting story in connection with the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. Everyone knows that in the Archives Conversations book no. 36 on page 367 Srila Prabhupada says: "I AM BEING POISONED." Everyone already also knows -- people hid the truth that Srila Prabhupada ordered his leaders to initiate on his behalf, after Srila Prabhupada entered into Samadhi-lila. His letters were banned for several years from reading public, and the same thing happened with the 1977 conversations where Srila Prabhupada was saying he was being poisoned.
This story happened in Vrindavan in 1977 when Srila Prabhupada gave us his association in its physical form or vapu. You can see in the videos as Srila Prabhupada sitting under a tree or Tamal shrub in the temple courtyard of Sri Krishna-Balarama, and there were always two young children dancing in front of him, one was German and the other was dark skinned, and so everyone thought he was a Bengali and did not know English, but in reality was from Mexico and he knew English well.
These two were very dear to Srila Prabhupada, and they entered his room with a lot of freedom, however the Mexican boy heard several times in Srila Prabhupada's room people saying these words: "PUT IN MORE POISON, PUT IN MORE POISON, PUT IN MORE POISON." [PADA: There is also testimony from an ex-gurkuli that he saw one of these leaders putting "white powder" on Srila Prabhupada's food.]
When Srila Prabhupada entered his samadhi-lila, this Mexican boy stayed in Vrindavan a few years. and then this young man got in touch with devotees of Mexico to return home to continue his spiritual life. When devotees received him in Mexico (This story was told to me personally on a Ratha Yatra in Mexico from the devotee who went to pick him up at the airport, when he arrived in Mexico), Bhakta Vatsala told the whole story he had heard in the room of Srila Prabhupada, who had put in the venom, but the devotees did not believe him, and they thought he was crazy.
When Tamal Krishna learned that this ex-gurukuli was testifying about the poison issue, he left Vrindavana and was in Mexico. Then Tamal heard the whole story, and told the boy to meet him in China. Bhakta Vatsala then informed the devotees of Mexico that he was invited to China, and they advised him not to go, because to them it looked very dangerous.
[PADA: Right, the IRM folks (Krishna Kanta Desai and Adridharan) consulted with the GBC gurus in 1997, when I had just then introduced the poison issue. They told me they wanted me to QUIT THE POISON ISSUE and move to the Caribbean, and live on the beach, and quit writing. They would pay for me to live there on a sort of permanent vacation.
Of course, how long would I have lived there before, say for example, some folks with machetes took me into the bushes? Not long I'm sure, there would have been a "disappearance" of the PADA editor. That means Krishna Kanta was negotiating with these gurus and he was at the time so naive, he actually thought he was "making a deal" with them, to have me stop writing and move to the Caribbean.
I'd not be living on this planet now, had I taken up this plan, that's my honest belief. The also invited me to go to Mayapura, sure! Yes, we need to meet you in a foreign land, since you are saying our guru was poisoned, right, very dangerous!]
The story of Bhakta Vatsala very sad, he was very frustrated to see that nobody believed his poison testimony.
In connection with the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, this is an example of what happened. Suppose you have a much loved son and suddenly the son says he is dying because, "I HAVE BEEN POISONED DAD, DAD I HAVE POISONED." And if you love the son, you would then take your son to the police to investigate the death of your son, to find out who poisoned him. The is the most practical test in the current Iskcon that hardly anybody has any love for Srila Prabhupada. The proof is that almost everyone knows that Srila Prabhupada said "POISONING TO ME" -- AND REALLY NOBODY DOES NOTHING AT ALL, NO ONE MOVES A FINGER.
Thoughts to ponder:
Vaisnava is one who loves even his enemies.
Vaisnava is one who has removed the fear of LOVE GOD OR KRISHNA AND OTHERS.
The most sinful activity that can be done today is to prevent people serve and love Srila Prabhupada.
That Jagat-guru, the savior of the fallen, śaktyāveśa Avatar, MOR PATI SENA, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE SPIRITUAL FORCES OF SRI GAURANGA Mahaprabhu, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada bless and protect you all. OM TAT SAT PEACE AND WELL
[PADA: Thanks, yes we saw a similar thing when we first promoted the "poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada" issue in public, at Venice beach. Most of the devotees avoided taking our pamphlet, they just did not care, but some "karmi" women on the beach did take the pamphlet, and they were very alarmed and upset by the contents, because they actually had some human feelings and emotions towards other sentient beings, including Srila Prabhupada. That means, some ordinary women on the street actually felt bad that Srila Prabhupada was saying he was being poisoned, whereas most of the devotees -- did not care. You are correct.
Sulochana used to say something like that. He told us that -- EVEN if we had a video of the GBC engaged in a "full on orgy" -- only a very few rare devotees would even get upset over that video, but even if they were upset, almost none of them would speak out and protest because -- they are too frightened to speak up. Sulochana said that even worse, the greater bulk of the devotees, actually most of them, would simply stare blankly and walk away, because they did not care one way or the other. He called them "the walking zombies."
And worse, as Sulochana also figured out correctly, many would stand up and say -- that they wanted to confiscate our video and try to stop us from telling people about this issue, they would want to cover the issue up. So yes, there are a lot of people who simply never cared about the poison issue, molesting issue, and so many other criminal issues, which is why those issues were never resolved.
This is also why Sulochana told me, we are going to need to go to the karmi police, media, and start our own independent publications and so on, since we are not going to get much help from "the mass of devotees," and worse, many of these devotees will oppose us. This is still going on, there are some "devotees" trying to harass PADA, but not the molester messiahs program? We have to go, the molester messiah have to stay. And that has been the same pattern all along with some of our critics since we started all this in 1977, nothing new at all, except we are somewhat surprised that anyone would still defend such a bogus program at this stage since we have exposed it so badly.
Thus, at this stage, only a few fools oppose us since almost everyone else now agrees with us that these complaints against these bogus gurus are all factual, including millions of people who have seen all this stuff reported in the karmi media. Indeed, even many GBC followers now agree with us that: there was no guru appointment, there was a molesting program, there was a poison complaint, and that changing the books is wrong etc.
That means at the outset, we did the right thing going outside to the public police and media, because we never would have got sufficient support from the so-called devotee community, as Sulochana dasa predicted we would have to do to us personally. Of course now there are thousands of devotees who are on board with us on all these points -- the bogus appointment issue, the poison complaint issue, the child molesting issue, the book changes issue, etc., so much so, that we factually have enough devotees currently on board to support our protest of these issues at the present.
That means these issues will always be in the forefront of those of us who oppose the bogus GBC gurus. That cat is out of the bag so to speak. Even if we said nothing ever again, its too little too late, these issues are now public information to most of the devotee community, and even for the most part, to the general public. And since all of our web sites are getting more hits than ever before, that means, the cat is not only out of the bag, our information is reproducing exponentially. ys pd]
I am sharing a very interesting story in connection with the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. Everyone knows that in the Archives Conversations book no. 36 on page 367 Srila Prabhupada says: "I AM BEING POISONED." Everyone already also knows -- people hid the truth that Srila Prabhupada ordered his leaders to initiate on his behalf, after Srila Prabhupada entered into Samadhi-lila. His letters were banned for several years from reading public, and the same thing happened with the 1977 conversations where Srila Prabhupada was saying he was being poisoned.
This story happened in Vrindavan in 1977 when Srila Prabhupada gave us his association in its physical form or vapu. You can see in the videos as Srila Prabhupada sitting under a tree or Tamal shrub in the temple courtyard of Sri Krishna-Balarama, and there were always two young children dancing in front of him, one was German and the other was dark skinned, and so everyone thought he was a Bengali and did not know English, but in reality was from Mexico and he knew English well.
These two were very dear to Srila Prabhupada, and they entered his room with a lot of freedom, however the Mexican boy heard several times in Srila Prabhupada's room people saying these words: "PUT IN MORE POISON, PUT IN MORE POISON, PUT IN MORE POISON." [PADA: There is also testimony from an ex-gurkuli that he saw one of these leaders putting "white powder" on Srila Prabhupada's food.]
When Srila Prabhupada entered his samadhi-lila, this Mexican boy stayed in Vrindavan a few years. and then this young man got in touch with devotees of Mexico to return home to continue his spiritual life. When devotees received him in Mexico (This story was told to me personally on a Ratha Yatra in Mexico from the devotee who went to pick him up at the airport, when he arrived in Mexico), Bhakta Vatsala told the whole story he had heard in the room of Srila Prabhupada, who had put in the venom, but the devotees did not believe him, and they thought he was crazy.
When Tamal Krishna learned that this ex-gurukuli was testifying about the poison issue, he left Vrindavana and was in Mexico. Then Tamal heard the whole story, and told the boy to meet him in China. Bhakta Vatsala then informed the devotees of Mexico that he was invited to China, and they advised him not to go, because to them it looked very dangerous.
[PADA: Right, the IRM folks (Krishna Kanta Desai and Adridharan) consulted with the GBC gurus in 1997, when I had just then introduced the poison issue. They told me they wanted me to QUIT THE POISON ISSUE and move to the Caribbean, and live on the beach, and quit writing. They would pay for me to live there on a sort of permanent vacation.
Of course, how long would I have lived there before, say for example, some folks with machetes took me into the bushes? Not long I'm sure, there would have been a "disappearance" of the PADA editor. That means Krishna Kanta was negotiating with these gurus and he was at the time so naive, he actually thought he was "making a deal" with them, to have me stop writing and move to the Caribbean.
I'd not be living on this planet now, had I taken up this plan, that's my honest belief. The also invited me to go to Mayapura, sure! Yes, we need to meet you in a foreign land, since you are saying our guru was poisoned, right, very dangerous!]
The story of Bhakta Vatsala very sad, he was very frustrated to see that nobody believed his poison testimony.
In connection with the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, this is an example of what happened. Suppose you have a much loved son and suddenly the son says he is dying because, "I HAVE BEEN POISONED DAD, DAD I HAVE POISONED." And if you love the son, you would then take your son to the police to investigate the death of your son, to find out who poisoned him. The is the most practical test in the current Iskcon that hardly anybody has any love for Srila Prabhupada. The proof is that almost everyone knows that Srila Prabhupada said "POISONING TO ME" -- AND REALLY NOBODY DOES NOTHING AT ALL, NO ONE MOVES A FINGER.
Thoughts to ponder:
Vaisnava is one who loves even his enemies.
Vaisnava is one who has removed the fear of LOVE GOD OR KRISHNA AND OTHERS.
The most sinful activity that can be done today is to prevent people serve and love Srila Prabhupada.
That Jagat-guru, the savior of the fallen, śaktyāveśa Avatar, MOR PATI SENA, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE SPIRITUAL FORCES OF SRI GAURANGA Mahaprabhu, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada bless and protect you all. OM TAT SAT PEACE AND WELL
[PADA: Thanks, yes we saw a similar thing when we first promoted the "poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada" issue in public, at Venice beach. Most of the devotees avoided taking our pamphlet, they just did not care, but some "karmi" women on the beach did take the pamphlet, and they were very alarmed and upset by the contents, because they actually had some human feelings and emotions towards other sentient beings, including Srila Prabhupada. That means, some ordinary women on the street actually felt bad that Srila Prabhupada was saying he was being poisoned, whereas most of the devotees -- did not care. You are correct.
Sulochana used to say something like that. He told us that -- EVEN if we had a video of the GBC engaged in a "full on orgy" -- only a very few rare devotees would even get upset over that video, but even if they were upset, almost none of them would speak out and protest because -- they are too frightened to speak up. Sulochana said that even worse, the greater bulk of the devotees, actually most of them, would simply stare blankly and walk away, because they did not care one way or the other. He called them "the walking zombies."
And worse, as Sulochana also figured out correctly, many would stand up and say -- that they wanted to confiscate our video and try to stop us from telling people about this issue, they would want to cover the issue up. So yes, there are a lot of people who simply never cared about the poison issue, molesting issue, and so many other criminal issues, which is why those issues were never resolved.
This is also why Sulochana told me, we are going to need to go to the karmi police, media, and start our own independent publications and so on, since we are not going to get much help from "the mass of devotees," and worse, many of these devotees will oppose us. This is still going on, there are some "devotees" trying to harass PADA, but not the molester messiahs program? We have to go, the molester messiah have to stay. And that has been the same pattern all along with some of our critics since we started all this in 1977, nothing new at all, except we are somewhat surprised that anyone would still defend such a bogus program at this stage since we have exposed it so badly.
Thus, at this stage, only a few fools oppose us since almost everyone else now agrees with us that these complaints against these bogus gurus are all factual, including millions of people who have seen all this stuff reported in the karmi media. Indeed, even many GBC followers now agree with us that: there was no guru appointment, there was a molesting program, there was a poison complaint, and that changing the books is wrong etc.
That means at the outset, we did the right thing going outside to the public police and media, because we never would have got sufficient support from the so-called devotee community, as Sulochana dasa predicted we would have to do to us personally. Of course now there are thousands of devotees who are on board with us on all these points -- the bogus appointment issue, the poison complaint issue, the child molesting issue, the book changes issue, etc., so much so, that we factually have enough devotees currently on board to support our protest of these issues at the present.
That means these issues will always be in the forefront of those of us who oppose the bogus GBC gurus. That cat is out of the bag so to speak. Even if we said nothing ever again, its too little too late, these issues are now public information to most of the devotee community, and even for the most part, to the general public. And since all of our web sites are getting more hits than ever before, that means, the cat is not only out of the bag, our information is reproducing exponentially. ys pd]
Thats why they call off Mahanidhi - because if he joins the fallen guru list the GBC is in really bad shape....if you know what I mean.....
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