RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

1) What Does Mahanidhi need to do now?
2) ISKCON is like Syria?
3) Prahlad's Beef Eating Gurus Update.

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1) Thanks prabhu for the question,

"What does Mahanidhi swami really need to do now"? 

PADA: Mahanidhi says he wants to "retire" now? No, he has confused too many people, so cannot retire and leave all the people he has mislead in a confused and depressed state. He simply has to come clean and admit, the GBC has never had any authority from Srila Prabhupada to appoint gurus, vote in gurus, monitor gurus, appoint agents to "make sure the guru is chanting his rounds"; Nor does the GBC have any authority from Srila Prabhupada to suspend gurus, censure gurus, vote out gurus, excommunicate gurus and in sum to -- "control the acharyas by a Governing Body Executive Committee."

That is simply not the system that was ordered by Srila Prabhupada. Rather his guru system is, Krishna dictates to the acharyas, and not a group of defective people who form a "guru monitoring" committee filled with people constantly infighting and displaying mundane anarthas (unwanted attachments). The guru is above the platform of anarthas, that means people who still have anarthas cannot dictate to the acharya.

Mahanidhi needs to simply clear up all these things, that the guru is ALWAYS and ETERNALLY getting direct dictation from God, and to say the guru is getting dictation instead from defective people like Ravindra Swarupa, Rocana, Malati, Gopal Krishna swami, Prithu das -- or some concocted "guru monitoring committee" is simply, bogus. He needs to begin at the beginning, he needs to clarify that the guru is always pure and is always free of the control of mundane votes, ad hoc committee votes -- and so forth.

Unless Mahanidhi clears that up, it appears that he still endorses the main bogus GBC idea that the guru is getting dictation from mundane people who are prone to, and are many times falling into, debauched behaviors. Mahanidhi is painting the idea that the acharyas are under the control of mundane committees, and are not under the control of God, and that means, he is supporting a huge deviation. Rocana just wrote an article saying the same basic thing, we need to have more and more and more guru monitoring committees to control these wayward acharyas, and that means they are saying the acharyas are mundane men who need to be monitored for deviations, because they think, acharyas are deviants, or are prone to be deviants, etc. This is bogus and he needs to establish that. ys pd  

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Please do not call giridhari prabhu in Vrndavana anymore. He has no time to answer all these e-mails and phone calls about Mahanidhi.

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2) ISKCON is like Syria?

Thanks prabhu for your discussion with us, starting with your first point, "What are we fighting over now, since ISKCON is just about irrelevant? And, isn't fighting over current ISKCON just like fighting over what is left of the devastated cities in Syria"? Good questions!

Fighting over, the broken remains?

Yes prabhu you are right, current ISKCON is more or less like a war torn Syrian ghost town. Even Mahanidhi recently said he cannot live in ISKCON right now, what to speak of so many others who already left the scene. Yes, even most of the fallen gurus have already left ISKCON, so that means its not inhabitable -- even by many of the leaders themselves. Its a ghost town out there!

First of all, the GBC removed, if not banned, thousands of the original Srila Prabhupada disciples by making them un-welcome in ISKCON. And this policy had made most of their temples empty, even by the early 1980s. And the poor temples have never subsequently recovered from all these losses. For example, when "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Goswami" left, he took almost two thousand people from his "zone" and he started "The Peace and Love Krishnas" movement -- which was really an ecstasy drug ring and distribution business. And Jayatirtha's zone never recovered that number of people again, so overall this was a big loss of manpower for ISKCON.

And Hansadutta's ex-temple in Berkeley formerly had over two hundred people in 1977, but now has about only a dozen people living there, because it too has never recovered from the devastation of the "living guru" program. San Francisco's temple and farm, and the Berkeley farm, have all simply vanished, these programs have been already shut down completely a long time ago, and do not even exist anymore. No one even has the slightest clue where the hundreds of devotees from those programs even are anymore, they are all gone. Vanished.

Similarly, when Ramesvara left, hundreds of his followers became upset and disillusioned and so -- they also left. Bhagavan pretty much bankrupted his zone, and he allegedly took off with money from the temple's safe, and after that -- hundreds of his people also blooped and left. Harikesha totally devastated his zone, again many more people blooped, maybe thousands. And later on when Prithu blooped, hundreds more people left. Then more recently Prabhavishnu left, and hundreds of his disappointed followers left as well. The good news is that -- at least a few of these folks has accepted our Prabhupadanuga idea.

And now the Mahanidhi program is causing more and more and more folks to leave ISKCON, and so on and so forth. You are right prabhu, all told, this adds up to the loss of thousands and thousands of people and many millions, really hundreds of millions of dollars of losses, because all these "permanently lost" people otherwise would have contributed millions of dollars of donated money by collecting millions from selling books etc. to the ISKCON movement. So these temples have not only lost thousands and thousands of people, but millions and millions of dollars. You are right, the GBC has lost almost all the people who came to ISKCON in the first place, your percentage figure of "they have probably lost over ninety percent of the ISKCON people overall" is probably about right.

Then again, after 1977 the GBC made folks like BR Sridhara Maharaja, BV Narayana Maharaja, BV Puri Maharaja, BP Puri Maharaja -- and others -- the shiksha gurus of ISKCON. And I think you are probably again -- quite correct -- to say that over half the lost citizens of ISKCON have now left the ISKCON camp forever, to run off with these various Gaudiya Matha styled spin-off camps which oddly, were spawned directly by the GBC themselves. So yes that sounds right, around fifty percentage of the losses are because the GBC told people to go and surrender to -- various Gaudiya Matha gurus, and the mass of people did that. The GBC acted like Pied Pipers and they took all these people away from ISKCON, correct.

Thus the GBC on the one hand -- removes thousands of people by ejecting them forcibly -- while on the other hand -- they divert many thousands of souls away from ISKCON, to join their many different "spin-off" groups like the Gaudiya Matha, and that explains why -- there is almost no one left. Yep, you are right prabhu, I think your analysis is also correct, they do not want people in the actual ISKCON movement, rather they want to use ISKCON as a vehicle to siphon off manpower for their own programs and projects, and so they are using ISKCON as (what Sulochana dasa also said was) a sort of "bait and switch" operation.

Then again, the GBC alienated and lost almost entirely the ex-children in the second generation of ISKCON's citizens. You are right, almost cent percent of these thousands of original "gurukula" aged children of ISKCON are never coming back, they are gone for good. And you are also right, in this way ISKCON lost literally tens of thousands of people in the process, because these young folks would have had their own families, children and so on and so forth, which would have built up and generated more followers for the movement.

And this process of expanding the ISKCON family by having a "second generation" would have thus grown the population of ISKCON exponentially, from eventually hundreds of members, to thousands of members, to the tens of thousands of members, and not just for a short time but for the permanent perpetuation of many generations to come. You are right, that's all pretty much been ruined, and thus you are further correct to say that means -- tens of thousands, and perhaps even hundreds of thousands of people are permanently lost from ISKCON due to these GBC's gurus and their machinations.

And now, you are furthermore correct, it turns out some of these GBC gurus are not even happy there are still a few hapless souls left standing in ISKCON, so they are siphoning EVEN MORE people off to their various babaji camps and other "authorities," and meanwhile many leaders are creating their own self-styled new charities / foundations / institutions that are not even in the name of ISKCON, so the continued drain of money, manpower, assets etc. just gets worse and not better. Yep, you got it! Srila Prabhupada said we have to spend so much blood to get even one person, so do not drive them away, and then the GBC just tosses out thousands of people like used kleenex all the time.

Even Bhakti Vikas swami has become critical of the other gurus like Radhanatha swami, Bhakti Tirtha swami Krishnapada and others, saying they are not following the process properly, and in sum Bhakti Vikas is really saying these bogus gurus are creating their own independent sort of personality cults, using ISKCON as a vehicle and framework, so they can hi-jack more and more parts of the movement and have the hi-jacked parts under their own control.

Meanwhile, the GBC EC says Mahanidhi has fallen, but the / Gopal Krishna swami / Panchagauda camp says no, he is bona fide. That means there is a big split going on inside the GBC itself. You are right, this will further dis-integrate the ISKCON movement into teenier and teenier bits and fragments, which will be broken off from the teeny bits and fragments it already is. Yes, that means the whole thing is dis-integrating more and more, the town that was already bombed over and over, is now being bombed over and over again. Its just bouncing the rubble around, as Winston Churchill once commented.

So basically you are correct, ISKCON is like a city in Syria where the rebels have been fighting the army, and while both the rebels and the army are yelling Allah Akbar, they are simply fighting each other to try to control what teeny little bits and pieces are left, because the town itself is basically bombed out, and no one else would even want to live in that burnt out city, or even visit. These gurus admit that themselves, they claim they cannot live in ISKCON any more when they leave, since the whole scene is such a disaster zone, even they cannot stay there any longer. So, why are any of these people fighting at all, since there is really nothing left to fight over? Hah hah, you got it prabhu, very astute observation.

That is why personally, I am not really fighting anyone, just recording what has happened. You are also correct to say: Since these people are hampering Krishna's movement in so many ways; And they are draining out the manpower, assets and reducing the movement to piles of rubble; And they are devastating the lives of Krishna's devotees in so many ways; They had better pray there is no Krishna, because if there is a Krishna, these folks are in a heap of trouble for hi-jacking His property and creating so many problems for His devotees, including banning, beating, molesting and assassinating His devotees. You are quite right prabhu, if there is a Krishna, they are doomed.

So they better hope there is no God, that's the only thing that could possibly save them at this point. Hah hah! Yup, you got it! Unfortunately for them, we do believe there is a God, and He will not take their stealing His movement and harassing His devotees lightly, and there will be some very severe and heavy punishment for making ISKCON into a burnt out Syrian city. ys pd

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3) Prahlad's Beef Eating Gurus Update

Dear Bhakta Jason prabhu. Of course you are right, if we ask any of the Prahad team if they want to lose "one finger, some fingers, or not too many fingers," they would be crying like babies if they thought they would lose simply the teeny tip of their pinky fingers. In other words, this crowd of people want to see others suffer, and so that is why their crowd says -- its ok to have "not too many (others) suffer and even die," but they themselves do everything they can do avoid suffering and dying. You are right, they are the ultimate selfish and hypocritical persons. Its ok for others to suffer and die, but they will cry like stuck pigs if they are going to suffer. You are correct, this is utterly hypocritical.

At the same time, Prahlad's team are saying that ISKCON is getting a bad name and so -- they have to fix that. And as such, they are "fixing the name of ISKCON" by saying in public and all over the place, that ISKCON is directly owned by Satan and the "Satanic Blood Lines" Illuminati. Yes, you are right, "fixing the name of ISKCON" can only be done by saying ISKCON is ruled and managed by Satan and "Satan's blood lines" of the Illuminati, and that is what the Prahlad team has been saying now for over a decade. Then again some aggressive so-called Christians are also saying ISKCON is a Satanic idol worship program?

Now everyone is sure to want to immediately sign up and join Satan's blood lines program, which Prahlad's people have been saying is -- ISKCON. Yes you are quite correct, they are saying ISKCON is a Satanic cult managed personally by Satan and his blood lines. Good question, saying that ISKCON belongs to Satanic blood lines is going to help fix ISKCON -- how? They are saying the only way to fix ISKCON is to claim ISKCON belongs to Satan and Satan's blood lines, and you have a good point: How does that fix anything? Yep, I cannot make any sense of that either.

You are right prabhu, they are saying ISKCON is a fully controlled sub-branch of Satan's Illuminati blood line program; And their basic idea is that the Satanic Illuminati uses secret Satanic rites and so on, ok like human sacrifices and so forth. Sounds yummy, sign me up! So they are "fixing" ISKCON by saying, the whole organization belongs to Satan and his Satanic Illuminati blood lines cult, which is using secret Satanic cult worship etc. Then they say, this will fix and attract people to ISKCON? How? Yes, when we see the Satanic cult movies on the late night channel 44 fright nite movies, that is what ISKCON really is, and pointing that out is how they are fixing ISKCON and its good name? "Satanic blood lines" is really the title of a horribly bad B-grade horror movie, its not the way to fix ISKCON, or anything else?

So if someone joins ISKCON, they will really be serving Satan and his blood lines, and they will be indeed the personal property of Satan. That's what the Prahlad team has been saying all along. Yes, they are saying all along that ISKCON is a Satanic worship cult, and that their pointing that out is how they are "fixing the good name" of ISKCON. The way to help ISKCON is to say that Krishna's movement is really Satan's movement. The person who really owns Krishna's movement is -- Satan, and his blood lines? That's really helpful? To whom?

Of course Srila Prabhpada also says if we advertise someone as our authority, then we are making that person into our guru. And this is mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, there are all kinds of gurus, even businessman gurus and so on, in other words whomever we listen to, or promote, or advertise the lectures and speaking of, that is -- our guru, or at least that is one of our gurus.

So the Prahad group promotes these "Satanic blood lines expose" literatures, speakers, and DVDs, and they are also advertising these people (who are mostly beef eaters and advocates of animal hunting) as their "illuminated speakers," ok as their guru's (and elevated speakers). They want us and the whole universe to listen to their beef eating and animal hunting advocate "gurus." However, according to Srila Prabhupada, if one advertises someone's literature, or their speaking as authorities, that means one is making these authorities and speakers into their gurus. And Srila Prabhupada said people who speak (advocate for) animal slaughter are going to be judged equally with the butchers, and these are the people the Prahlad team are making into their gurus, speakers and authorities.

And yes, for the most part, that means the Prahlad team's gurus are beef eaters and advocates of animal hunting, and of course some of their Illuminated guru speakers even directly promote killing animals using guns. These are their illuminated guru speakers whom the Prahlad team are openly advertising and promoting. In sum, their apparent gurus are beef eaters and animal killers and hunters. And yes, they openly advertise their beef eater and animal hunting gurus on the Sanat / Mukunda web sites for us to listen to, so these are their gurus, because these are the authorities they promote -- as their guru-like authorities. Correct.

We have plenty of proof, since their web site is chock full of the bogus people who promote these activities. Yes prabhu, good question, Why are they advocating for / promoting / even distributing and selling these beef eater's DVDs for us to listen to, at all? And worse they are saying that listening to their beef eater gurus, who also promote animal hunting with guns, will fix the name of ISKCON, by saying that ISKCON is ruled by Satan and his blood lines? This fixes ISKCON? Really?

That is what they are doing for decades now. The real reason the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad people are upset? They are making money by selling their beef eaters and animal hunter's guru's materials and DVDs, and saying that ISKCON is the property of Satanic blood lines, and they are just upset we exposed that. They really do not care about ISKCON, or they would not be telling people that ISKCON is managed by Satanic blood lines, or that the real gurus we need to listen to are their beef eaters and animal hunters, and that we have to buy their DVDs and listen to these types of people.

Never mind that their beef eater and animal hunting gurus speak all kinds of crazy foolishness on the DVDs they sell. So, they are cheating the public by promoting all this rubbish and they are using the name of ISKCON and Krishna as "bait and switch" for their beef eating guru's program, and since we exposed that, that is why they are upset, they are another version of the GBC.

Of course you are right prabhu, even the bogus GBC gurus are not openly advertising and promoting beef eating and animal hunting gurus like the Prahlad group is doing. At least the GBC gurus have enough sense to know one cannot directly promote the beef industry and animal killing while using the images and name of Krishna. And you are further correct to say that since they advertise such people as their divine illuminated speakers, then these are their de facto gurus, so they are advertising beef eating and animal killing as their speakers -- and gurus. Correct.

And worse, we are now cutting into their money making business from their beef eating and animal killing business program, which they are using for making money. Follow the money, and you will see where all our critics are coming from. Oddly, some people told us we have to "apologize" to these people like Prahlad and their beef eater and "shooting guns at rabbits" speakers and his de facto gurus. We need to apologize to Prahlad's mentors like, hamburger pada?  Someone has not been taking their medications. Anyway, if promoting gurus who are eating hamburgers and killing animals is going to save ISKCON, they are even worse than the GBC gurus, thats right prabhu. If the Illuminati was really "in charge" I never would have got the poison tapes, nor lived to distribute these tapes if by chance I did get them, and that's a fact. ys pd

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