Where Does the Responsibility Lie?
BY: MAHASRGNA DASA
During the 1980's-90's the 11 fell, fast forwarding twenty-five years brings another 40 "gurus" down, and now within a year Prabhavishnu and Mahanidhi prabhus have fallen. Loyalists to Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON have the right to question the authorities and ask them to fix this problem.
The GBC is the ultimate managing authority for his ISKCON, but only for as long as they're following His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada's instructions, directives and the words in his books. Once the GBC stops following any of the above 3 they are disqualified and not authorized to be a GBC, and should be rejected.
Since Prabhupada's departure, the GBC have been infiltrated by homosexuals, pedophiles, racketeers engaging in money laundering, former harlots, adulterers and devotees afflicted with different kinds of Kali Yuga's physical and mental diseases. And we're supposed to accept their degrees as Absolute Truths? I DON'T THINK SO!!!
[PADA: Rather amazing that Jayatirtha was going to be the "superior rasika guru" to the other GBC gurus in 1979. He would cry like a madman, then jump off his vyasasana into the arms of the assembled devotees like some sort of rock star jumping off a stage, and almost everyone thought he was in "divine ecstasy." Nope, he was stoned on drugs. Later in 1979, Ramesvara, Bhagavan and Jayapataka came to England to "repair" Jayatirtha because by then is was known he was taking drugs and having illicit sex with at least one female disciple.
They had all of us meet in the temple room and they said, "sometimes the acharya takes drugs and this makes them do crazy things." So when we challenged that idea, and said there is no record of any acharyas taking drugs and falling into illicit sex, they kicked us out of ISKCON. And now the GBC has gone on with that program with the Narayana Maharaja rasika club, the Mahanidhi rasika club, and so forth.
Srila Prabhupada is correct when he says this premature rasika business is used by bogus gurus to promote themselves as very advanced, to attract followers. Its a guru business, and actually Jayatirtha was the original "rasika" person in ISKCON to use that technique. Of course later Jayatirtha's head was chopped off, slowly, with a dull knife, because he was having illicit sex with the wife of a follower. How "rasika" is that? Then again we had to save another guru from getting blasted with a shot gun -- when his disciple found out the guru was having illicit sex with his wife. Yes as a matter of fact, we actually saved one of their lives.
And notice that the GBC has still never admitted that Jayatirtha was never appointed as an acharya? They still make it appear that acharyas take drugs and become debauchees.
Anyway, many people have criticized us at PADA for saying that there is a homosexual, pedophile, disciple molester, drug taking, embezzling, and in sum criminal and KALI YUGA "guru" problem going on here, but there is no other way to describe this program. Notice that thousands of people (like this letter from Mahasrigha prabhu) are now using these same identical terms and slogans like "homosexual pedophile gurus" we and Sulochana coined way back in the 1980s.
The above describes what has actually been afflicting ISKCON. Its a factual account of the problem. Now we are have been scape-goated by some for "destroying ISKCON," because we and Sulochana and others have been trying to address these "infiltrations," but we did not cause any of these problems.
We simply reported about them. The problem for ISKCON has been twofold (A) that the GBC created (and then protected and covered up for) these deviated "guru" programs and then (B) the mass of "rank and file devotees" for the most part acquiesced, ignored, walked away from, and in sum failed to help people like us and Sulochana address these problems. Hence the problems simply got worse.
Of course we now have the Prahlad group, who are angry that we have even addressed anything at all. They say for example that our addressing the child molesting issue "ruined ISKCON." That means, these folks wanted to cover up these crimes and problems all along. Thus more children would get sacrificed and so on, so they are cover ups, and that means they wanted these crimes to continue by suppressing our complaints.
And these bogus gurus also want to cover things up. Birds of a feather. In other words, we have had resistance from various rank and file folks, who purposely or inadvertently also wanted the corruption to continue by thwarting our attempts to contain these problems. And some of them still think covering up these crimes is the best way forward. And all of this combined -- simply aided, abetted and enhanced the corruption. And that is why people like Mahanidhi went on for so long, dissent is suppressed.]
MD: While Srila Prabhupada was physically present, he disbanded the GBC two or three times because of their thinking themselves more intelligent, more qualified, and for disobeying his clear instructions. Reviewing historical judgment concludes that the (current) GBC should be temporarily dissolved due to their disobedience of His Divine Grace.
[PADA: Yes, the GBC creates false gurus one after another, and then they fail one after another. Srila Prabhupada said to us once -- "India is like a guru factory, where they manufacture all kinds of bogus gurus every day." And the GBC has simply become like them, manufacturing bogus gurus. Srila Prabhupada also said this bogus guru program has destroyed India, and that it would destroy his movement if it was allowed to infiltrate. He is right.
The current GBC is too corrupt to be saved in our opinion. The entire lot needs to be removed and replaced. Not only have they collectively placed known homosexual pedophiles and other deviants into the VYASASANA seat of "God's sucessors" and acharyas, they have covered up for and even re-instated many of their deviant acharyas, even after they were caught deviating. In other words, they are corrupt. Their only business since 1977 is keeping conditioned souls, if not sexual perverts, if not child molesters, if not criminals in the seat of VISHNUPADA ACHARYAS, to the peril of all of us and to the entire universe.]
MD: Personally, I don't hold Prabhavishnu or Mahanidi prabhus responsible for their rascaldom because they are foolish conditioned souls who due to imperfections within their heart took advantage of simple souls who, more than likely, never read Srila Prabhupada's books. Because if they had read them, Prabhupada makes it crystal clear what the qualifications of a 'guru' and pure devotee are, and judging with that criterion, the 100 + 'gurus' now functioning in Prabhupada's ISKCON don't have the authorized proficiency of a bona fide guru coming in disciplic succession.
[PADA: And anyone who does read the books, and quotes from the books, is often kicked out, vilified, and receives death threats for even quoting those books. And dissenters can be beaten and assassinated, as has occurred. As for the gurus being somewhat "innocent," sorry, shastra is not so forgiving, shastra says that these false gurus will have to pay heavily for their crimes:
Future births of false gurus: http://youtu.be/WVmkCaA3HZs
MD: It is the GBC and only the GBC that should be held accountable for the "gurus" falling and the simple souls who took shelter of them, scattered to the wind with hearts broken due to being hoodwinked by the charlatans. The GBC's standard line for giving their "no objection vote" is that, "we neither endorse or disqualify the guru", but if they didn't give their 'NOV', the deceivers wouldn't be able start the deception.
[PADA: Yes, Jayadvaita swami says the GBC gurus are a "no guarantee -- buyer beware" product. OK, and that is exactly what happens when you sign the deal on a used car, it says buyer beware. So the GBC thinks God's messiahs are equal to buying a used car.]
A thoughtful and investigative mind has only to review the GBC Resolutions for "gurus" dispensed over the last 23 years to see how their "winging it" has metamorphosed into some twisted absolute truth. Suspended gurus, gurus on probation, gurus falling down, coming back and initiating again, re-initiating and other speculations just to show how ludicrous and preposterous this spiritual society looks IN dealing with its' leaders.
[PADA: Yes, having a society where the messiahs are constantly falling into illicit sex makes that whole society a laughingstock. This is making ISKCON look totally foolish. Sulochana used to say, "ISKCON is looking more and more like a ship of fools, after the pirates took over the wheel."]
The GBC really don't have a clue: As stated in an official GBC paper in March 2013 of this year:
"Those who accept the service of diksha or siksha guru within ISKCON are mandated to be strict followers of the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, and, as long as they follow, they are acting on the liberated platform. Thus they may serve, as Srila Prabhupada ordered, as bonafide representatives of the Lord and the Guru Parampara and be a via medium of Their mercy. Yet it should be clearly understood that if such diksha or siksha gurus deviate from strictly following, they may fall down from their position."
Nowhere, and I mean nowhere in Srila Prabhupada's books, directives, audio or instructions has he ever "ordered" his disciples to become "diksha" gurus. Gurus yes, but never "diksha" gurus. This lie originated from the infamous 11 unbonafide "acaryas", which the GBC had to apologize for in the early 90's.
And, nowhere, and I mean nowhere in Srila Prabhupada's books, directives, audio or instructions does he say or insinuate that a bona fide diksa guru coming in disciplic succession in the parampara on a "liberated" platform can "fall down". They can't, don't nor have ever fallen down according to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. But due to Prabhupada having been reduced to "an author for hire" or grandfather of ISKCON, this madness continues.
Srila Prabhupada: Well, if he is bad, how can he become a guru? [Laughter.] How can iron become gold? Actually, a guru cannot be bad, for if someone is bad, he cannot be a guru. You cannot say "bad guru." That is a contradiction. What you have to do is simply try to understand what a genuine guru is. The definition of a genuine guru is that he is simply talking about God—that's all. If he's talking about some other nonsense, then he is not a guru. A guru cannot be bad. There is no question of a bad guru, any more than a red guru or a white guru. Guru means "genuine guru.
It's up to us, the rank and file devotees of ISKCON, to beseech and implore accountability for the actions or 'resolutions' the GBC take or make, because they not only affect our lives and the lives of the confused heartbroken 'disciples', but the lives of devotees for the next 10,000 years.
[PADA: Agreed! ys pd]
BY: MAHASRGNA DASA
During the 1980's-90's the 11 fell, fast forwarding twenty-five years brings another 40 "gurus" down, and now within a year Prabhavishnu and Mahanidhi prabhus have fallen. Loyalists to Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON have the right to question the authorities and ask them to fix this problem.
The GBC is the ultimate managing authority for his ISKCON, but only for as long as they're following His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada's instructions, directives and the words in his books. Once the GBC stops following any of the above 3 they are disqualified and not authorized to be a GBC, and should be rejected.
Since Prabhupada's departure, the GBC have been infiltrated by homosexuals, pedophiles, racketeers engaging in money laundering, former harlots, adulterers and devotees afflicted with different kinds of Kali Yuga's physical and mental diseases. And we're supposed to accept their degrees as Absolute Truths? I DON'T THINK SO!!!
[PADA: Rather amazing that Jayatirtha was going to be the "superior rasika guru" to the other GBC gurus in 1979. He would cry like a madman, then jump off his vyasasana into the arms of the assembled devotees like some sort of rock star jumping off a stage, and almost everyone thought he was in "divine ecstasy." Nope, he was stoned on drugs. Later in 1979, Ramesvara, Bhagavan and Jayapataka came to England to "repair" Jayatirtha because by then is was known he was taking drugs and having illicit sex with at least one female disciple.
They had all of us meet in the temple room and they said, "sometimes the acharya takes drugs and this makes them do crazy things." So when we challenged that idea, and said there is no record of any acharyas taking drugs and falling into illicit sex, they kicked us out of ISKCON. And now the GBC has gone on with that program with the Narayana Maharaja rasika club, the Mahanidhi rasika club, and so forth.
Srila Prabhupada is correct when he says this premature rasika business is used by bogus gurus to promote themselves as very advanced, to attract followers. Its a guru business, and actually Jayatirtha was the original "rasika" person in ISKCON to use that technique. Of course later Jayatirtha's head was chopped off, slowly, with a dull knife, because he was having illicit sex with the wife of a follower. How "rasika" is that? Then again we had to save another guru from getting blasted with a shot gun -- when his disciple found out the guru was having illicit sex with his wife. Yes as a matter of fact, we actually saved one of their lives.
And notice that the GBC has still never admitted that Jayatirtha was never appointed as an acharya? They still make it appear that acharyas take drugs and become debauchees.
Anyway, many people have criticized us at PADA for saying that there is a homosexual, pedophile, disciple molester, drug taking, embezzling, and in sum criminal and KALI YUGA "guru" problem going on here, but there is no other way to describe this program. Notice that thousands of people (like this letter from Mahasrigha prabhu) are now using these same identical terms and slogans like "homosexual pedophile gurus" we and Sulochana coined way back in the 1980s.
The above describes what has actually been afflicting ISKCON. Its a factual account of the problem. Now we are have been scape-goated by some for "destroying ISKCON," because we and Sulochana and others have been trying to address these "infiltrations," but we did not cause any of these problems.
We simply reported about them. The problem for ISKCON has been twofold (A) that the GBC created (and then protected and covered up for) these deviated "guru" programs and then (B) the mass of "rank and file devotees" for the most part acquiesced, ignored, walked away from, and in sum failed to help people like us and Sulochana address these problems. Hence the problems simply got worse.
Of course we now have the Prahlad group, who are angry that we have even addressed anything at all. They say for example that our addressing the child molesting issue "ruined ISKCON." That means, these folks wanted to cover up these crimes and problems all along. Thus more children would get sacrificed and so on, so they are cover ups, and that means they wanted these crimes to continue by suppressing our complaints.
And these bogus gurus also want to cover things up. Birds of a feather. In other words, we have had resistance from various rank and file folks, who purposely or inadvertently also wanted the corruption to continue by thwarting our attempts to contain these problems. And some of them still think covering up these crimes is the best way forward. And all of this combined -- simply aided, abetted and enhanced the corruption. And that is why people like Mahanidhi went on for so long, dissent is suppressed.]
MD: While Srila Prabhupada was physically present, he disbanded the GBC two or three times because of their thinking themselves more intelligent, more qualified, and for disobeying his clear instructions. Reviewing historical judgment concludes that the (current) GBC should be temporarily dissolved due to their disobedience of His Divine Grace.
[PADA: Yes, the GBC creates false gurus one after another, and then they fail one after another. Srila Prabhupada said to us once -- "India is like a guru factory, where they manufacture all kinds of bogus gurus every day." And the GBC has simply become like them, manufacturing bogus gurus. Srila Prabhupada also said this bogus guru program has destroyed India, and that it would destroy his movement if it was allowed to infiltrate. He is right.
The current GBC is too corrupt to be saved in our opinion. The entire lot needs to be removed and replaced. Not only have they collectively placed known homosexual pedophiles and other deviants into the VYASASANA seat of "God's sucessors" and acharyas, they have covered up for and even re-instated many of their deviant acharyas, even after they were caught deviating. In other words, they are corrupt. Their only business since 1977 is keeping conditioned souls, if not sexual perverts, if not child molesters, if not criminals in the seat of VISHNUPADA ACHARYAS, to the peril of all of us and to the entire universe.]
MD: Personally, I don't hold Prabhavishnu or Mahanidi prabhus responsible for their rascaldom because they are foolish conditioned souls who due to imperfections within their heart took advantage of simple souls who, more than likely, never read Srila Prabhupada's books. Because if they had read them, Prabhupada makes it crystal clear what the qualifications of a 'guru' and pure devotee are, and judging with that criterion, the 100 + 'gurus' now functioning in Prabhupada's ISKCON don't have the authorized proficiency of a bona fide guru coming in disciplic succession.
[PADA: And anyone who does read the books, and quotes from the books, is often kicked out, vilified, and receives death threats for even quoting those books. And dissenters can be beaten and assassinated, as has occurred. As for the gurus being somewhat "innocent," sorry, shastra is not so forgiving, shastra says that these false gurus will have to pay heavily for their crimes:
Future births of false gurus: http://youtu.be/WVmkCaA3HZs
MD: It is the GBC and only the GBC that should be held accountable for the "gurus" falling and the simple souls who took shelter of them, scattered to the wind with hearts broken due to being hoodwinked by the charlatans. The GBC's standard line for giving their "no objection vote" is that, "we neither endorse or disqualify the guru", but if they didn't give their 'NOV', the deceivers wouldn't be able start the deception.
[PADA: Yes, Jayadvaita swami says the GBC gurus are a "no guarantee -- buyer beware" product. OK, and that is exactly what happens when you sign the deal on a used car, it says buyer beware. So the GBC thinks God's messiahs are equal to buying a used car.]
A thoughtful and investigative mind has only to review the GBC Resolutions for "gurus" dispensed over the last 23 years to see how their "winging it" has metamorphosed into some twisted absolute truth. Suspended gurus, gurus on probation, gurus falling down, coming back and initiating again, re-initiating and other speculations just to show how ludicrous and preposterous this spiritual society looks IN dealing with its' leaders.
[PADA: Yes, having a society where the messiahs are constantly falling into illicit sex makes that whole society a laughingstock. This is making ISKCON look totally foolish. Sulochana used to say, "ISKCON is looking more and more like a ship of fools, after the pirates took over the wheel."]
The GBC really don't have a clue: As stated in an official GBC paper in March 2013 of this year:
"Those who accept the service of diksha or siksha guru within ISKCON are mandated to be strict followers of the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, and, as long as they follow, they are acting on the liberated platform. Thus they may serve, as Srila Prabhupada ordered, as bonafide representatives of the Lord and the Guru Parampara and be a via medium of Their mercy. Yet it should be clearly understood that if such diksha or siksha gurus deviate from strictly following, they may fall down from their position."
Nowhere, and I mean nowhere in Srila Prabhupada's books, directives, audio or instructions has he ever "ordered" his disciples to become "diksha" gurus. Gurus yes, but never "diksha" gurus. This lie originated from the infamous 11 unbonafide "acaryas", which the GBC had to apologize for in the early 90's.
And, nowhere, and I mean nowhere in Srila Prabhupada's books, directives, audio or instructions does he say or insinuate that a bona fide diksa guru coming in disciplic succession in the parampara on a "liberated" platform can "fall down". They can't, don't nor have ever fallen down according to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. But due to Prabhupada having been reduced to "an author for hire" or grandfather of ISKCON, this madness continues.
Srila Prabhupada: Well, if he is bad, how can he become a guru? [Laughter.] How can iron become gold? Actually, a guru cannot be bad, for if someone is bad, he cannot be a guru. You cannot say "bad guru." That is a contradiction. What you have to do is simply try to understand what a genuine guru is. The definition of a genuine guru is that he is simply talking about God—that's all. If he's talking about some other nonsense, then he is not a guru. A guru cannot be bad. There is no question of a bad guru, any more than a red guru or a white guru. Guru means "genuine guru.
It's up to us, the rank and file devotees of ISKCON, to beseech and implore accountability for the actions or 'resolutions' the GBC take or make, because they not only affect our lives and the lives of the confused heartbroken 'disciples', but the lives of devotees for the next 10,000 years.
[PADA: Agreed! ys pd]
"they kicked us out of ISKCON"
ReplyDeleteWho is "they", basically it is those who already blooped or fell down from sannyasa. In other words a bunch of crazy clowns told us to leave. This might be the problem why no ISKCONite listens. Since ISKCON is global there is always the options to move to another temple. At one point you find a temple were they don't kick devotees out.
If in London someone says, hey, listen, I want you to leave right now, and I reply, yes, wait I'm just getting my bag ready and then I'll leave, then where do I stand? People say, you immediately left, why? This guy who told you to leave meanwhile blooped! Why did you surrender to a rascal who told you to leave?
There are 1000 temples all over the planet, there is surely a temple were you don't get kicked out. And as senior Prabhupada disciple you would be able to either get on the GBC, or, straighten things out from within the movement.
ISKCON devotees are programmed like that that they never listn to anything from someone outside. Never, ever. We have seen that since 30 years. So all those Prabhupadanugas who live indepedently on their own scattered here and there should get sincere and move to ISKCON Bangalore or rejoin where they are accepted.
Otherwise this madness will go on forever and nobody listens. Present ISKCON is like a kindergarten. How to expect that kindergarten children listen to anybody except their kindergarten nurse? So ISKCON's rank&file is exactly in that position where they can't revolt against corrupt GBC.
It is a phantasm to believe that ISKCON's rank&file will stand up. And those GBC men who are right now in office - will they ever say, ok, Puranjana is right, let's invite him back? Sleep tight!
words of wisdom, so true
DeleteRocana's wise wisdom: "We suggest that it's high time for a change."
ReplyDeleteHm, what change? Rocana wants a living body on the vyasasana, what is new then? So this man is simply waffling phrases without knowing what is the right thing. Symptom of yet another cheater..
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-13/editorials10445.htm
I agree with pd! The present ISKCON is no more a safe ship to cross over this miserable ocean of material existence. It was taken over by the drunk pirates immediately after Srila Prabhupada's departure, and sober men don't even think to accompany them in their deadly journey.
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