Tuesday, August 20, 2013

Dead End for the GBC gurus? / Forgiving the GBC gurus? (Mahesh Raja prabhu comments)

Dead End For The GBC's Gurus?


First of all, the GBC gurus totally devastated the ISKCON USA's operations:

From the very start in 1977, the first rattle out of the box was, that the GBC were conjointly promoting Kirtanananda as "the purest devotee on the planet," which enabled him to create a huge criminal empire with tentacles all over the USA. Basically, his program was influencing (and overtaking) the entire ISKCON North America operations.

Simultaneoulsy Ramesvara's USA zone was also having criminal problems -- for example -- with the "Prasadam Distribution International" (PDI) drug bust by the FBI; Hansadutta's program was also raided by Federal Marshalls; Jayapataka's "oil painting business" program was also raided by Federal Marshalls (after Chatur Bahu was murdered); The Federal Government sued ISKCON for fraud in 1980 (and the GBC lost), and so on ad infinitum, all of which which created huge legal, media and financial problems for ISKCON.

As a result of all this, there were massive subsequent losses of: temple buildings, manpower, supporters, donations, money, assets, farms, schools, book sales and so on, for ISKCON. In short, ISKCON started to dwindle immediately as soon as these living gurus were announced in late 1977.

In this way the ISKCON leaders simultaneously lost thousands and thousands of people, dozens of temples and farms were sold or lost, many other associated buildings and properties were sold or lost, and of course they lost millions and millions of dollars, all in a short time. As Srila Prabhupada said -- there was a fire in the Gaudiya Matha (made by false gurus) which burned down their post-1936 mission, and the GBC gurus started the same exact fire in ISKCON with false gurus, and they also burnt ISKCON to toast.

Later on, Sulochana das was murdered for being a whistle blower on all these crimes, which lead to New Vrndavana being raided by Federal authorities in 1986, and the arrest of Kirtanananda. Radhanath swami was then made an ISKCON guru apparently -- "on the condition he would not be arrested as an accessory to the murder of Sulochana."

As these problems for ISKCON began to unfold, Kirtanananda swami and some of his main henchmen like Radhanath swami simply moved their base of operations to INDIA, where the people living there simply did not understand what was going on in the USA. And a pattern started where ISKCON's renegade leaders then formed separated legal charities that were no longer part of official ISKCON, and these new charities were legally owned by the "guru" and some of his henchmen.

In other words, after almost burning the USA totally to ashes, then many of these leaders simply went abroad to find "new pickings" in new locations -- to sell their bogus snake oil medicines. They needed a "fresh supply of people" to exploit and fleece. One devotee (a fan of the "Twilight" movies?) said to us, this is the way "werewolves" operate. The werewolves exploit some hapless people for blood in one area, but since they do not want to be discovered by staying in one place for too long, they simply move to a fresh "brand new area" where there is a new group of victims -- who are unaware of the problems the werewolves created in their previous location.

Meanwhile, the GBC gurus were devastating EUROPE with even more scandals among their wayward messiahs over there like Jayatirtha, Bhagavan Das, Harikesha and others. This lead to an exodus of more and more of ISKCON's gurus and leaders, away from Europe proper to start to focus on further and further away places like Poland, Russia, Ukraine, once again, anywhere that the poor innocent people did not know about or understand the history of what was going on in the West.

For example Sivarama set up camp in Poland, BB Govinda set up in similar places, Umapati set up camp in China etc. Other former New Vrndavan leaders like Devamrita went to Australia, again, where people were not very very aware of the problems in the USA. Prabhavishnu also started to make a move on Australia, Thailand and other places where these Western scandals were not so well known. The werewolves were looking for fresh blood?      

Recently, things have finally started to catch up with them in Australia, where the Prabhavihnu problem exploded in their faces over there. The GBC gurus also recently lost lots of people in China when the Umpatai problem exploded there. And the result was -- that lots of those innocent people gave up on these gurus, and they started to follow our Prabhupadanuga idea. They have also lost a lot of people from Russia / Ukraine when these innocent devotees started to "catch up" to the mess these gurus were creating (a lot of PADA's recent newer blog readers are from places like Russia, Ukraine, China etc).

India has thus become the bogus guru's "last stand" and de facto new headquarters, after they basically burnt to the ground and abandoned the USA, Europe, Russia, and most of the former Russian satelites and so on. India has thus became their biggest base of operations.

Oh oh! Then in 1997 Madhu Pandit das declared that Bangalore is separating from the bogus gurus. That was like the last nail in their coffin, and they knew that, since all their other bases of worldwide operation were gradually being stunted in various ways, if not exposed. If the false ISKCON gurus sinks in India, then their whole program is in danger of sinking, because India is practically the last place on earth where the GBC guru process has any credibility.

The good news is that now the Prabhavishnu problem, followed shortly after that with the Mahanidhi problem, has opened the doors to the whole incompetent "guru management" process of the bogus GBC in India itself. More and more people are questioning their entire modus operandi of voting in dubious folks as messiahs, and so forth. Hence, PADA's Krishna 1008 blog has more than doubled from last months (July) number of views already this month (August), and more and more of our new viewers are especially from INDIA. That means, folks over there are catching up to speed on the whole hokey GBC guru process.

So this is a really a huge crisis for the GBC guru process since, they ALREADY burnt out the USA, they ALREADY burnt out South America and handed that over to the Gaudiya Matha, they ALREADY burnt out Europe, they ALREADY burnt out Russia and its satelite areas, they ALREADY burnt China to toast, they ALREADY burnt out Australia, and in sum -- they have burnt out the whole world except for one last area, and that's where they are making their last stand -- in India.

What happens if people wake up there? Its all over, that's what. Game over, no extra lives left. They will limp along is some fashion for awhile (like the Gaudiya Matha's gurus did), but their glory days are clearly over. And if our blog hits from India are any indication, lots of people over there are reading about all this and no doubt starting to question their whole bogus guru process. And that means, more people will eventually side with our argument -- that you need to worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada. Whenever there is a guru meltdown, we always collect up some of the victims for our Prabhupadanuga idea. So we are winning, albeit slow but sure. So this is really getting interesting indeed, as Mahesh Raja prabhu writes about herein: ys pd




Abhaya carana seva das: So those who are GBC’s, they should be very, very careful to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great. That is the difficulty. (Geneva, June 4, 1974)

Therefore no mercy at all for all these wretches who betrayed Srila Prabhupada by going against his decision not to appoint any diksa-gurus.


Mahesh Raja: This is going to be a VERY VERY VERY interesting chapter we are all going to see. These bogus GBC folks thought they can poison Srila Prabhupada, then take-over his temples, properties, BBT, his disciples, then change his books, then throw out devotees etc. So now they are all in their 60′s. So HOW many more years to retain the ill-gotten gains, say 5 years more or say maybe 10 years more?

THEN they all get another body. WHAT body they will accept is going to be under the dictates of their KARMA. AS you sow so shall you REAP. It is ALL about CONSCIOUSNESS. What body YOU develop is what CONSCIOUSNESS you have created in this life: If ones life is demoniac then he is force to enter the lower forms of life -- such as animals, lizards, snakes, worms in stool etc. 

And -- there is no ESCAPE. The ONLY way out is to GIVE BACK EVERYTHING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA NOW -- BEFORE THEIR TIME IS UP. This way there is AT LEAST SOME LESSER degree of punishment. Otherwise they have had it! They are FINISHED! Endless cycles of TRANSMIGRATION in lower species of life, that is what they will be forced to —enjoy! 

MANY MANY MANY creations will come and go -- NO RELEASE FROM THIS JAIL!

740606BG.GEN Lectures
Just like father gives some capital to the son: “You do some business.” Now, you lose the money or increase it hundred times; that depends on you. Similarly, Krsna has given us. We wanted to enjoy this material world, and Krsna has given us. The first beginning body is Brahma, very exalted body. But on account of our abominable activities, from Brahma, we come down to become the worm of stool. This is called karma, ksetra.

There are eight million four hundred thousand species of life, and according to our work, we get some body, some type of body. And if we work in the modes of goodness, then we get still better body in higher planetary system, long duration of life, better standard of living condition, more and more, thousand times, thousands of times. Whatever comforts and facilities we have got here on this planet, if we work in the modes of goodness, then we get more and more facilities.

Similarly, if we work just like animals, then we are degraded more and more downwards to Tala, Atala, Talatala, Patala, like that. There are planetary systems, and similarly, there are higher planetary systems. You can see every day. Each and every star means -- there are different planetary system. So according to your work, you are promoted or degraded or you are kept there.

urdhvam gacchanti sattva-stha
madhye tisthanti rajasah
adho gacchanti tamasah

It is up to you. In another place, Krsna says,

yanti deva-vrata devan
pitrn yanti pitr-vratah
bhutani yanti bhutejya
yanti mad-yajino ‘pi mam

The same thing. If you desire, you can promote yourself to the higher--that is within the material world--higher planetary system for better comfort of life, better, long duration of life. That you can go. Yanti deva-vrata devan.
Just like if you come to Europe… At least… Of course, we are different men. We are preaching. But other Indians, they come, they come here by dressing like European, European coat, pant. So just we have to arrange for going to another country, passport, visa and dress and so many things. Similarly, if you want to go to the planets of the demigods, you have to prepare yourself. Yanti deva-vrata devan. Deva-vratah, they can go. Similarly, pitr-vratah, they can go Pitrloka. There are other planets. And bhutejyah, if you want to remain here, then you become nationalist and this, that, so many…

"And if you like, you can go to Me also." Mad-yajino ‘pi yanti mam. Those who are trying to promote themselves in Krsna consciousness, Krsna says mad-yajinah, "Those who are worshiping Me, they come to Me." So now it is your choice. This body is given to you. Now you must make your choice whether you want to have, in this material world, better facilities, better duration of life, or if you want to degrade yourself to the animal life, or if you want to go to Krsnaloka, everything, whatever you want, you can get. And this is the chance, this human form of body. You make your choice. Therefore Krsna says, idam sariram kaunteya ksetram iti abhidhiyate. It is just like the land of cultivation. Now you cultivate.

Bg Introduction:
Prakrti itself is constituted by three qualities: the mode of goodness, the mode of passion and the mode of ignorance. Above these modes there is eternal time, and by a combination of these modes of nature and under the control and purview of eternal time there are activities which are called karma. These activities are being carried out from time immemorial, and we are suffering or enjoying the fruits of our activities. For instance, suppose I am a businessman and have worked very hard with intelligence and have amassed a great bank balance. Then I am an enjoyer. But then say I have lost all my money in business; then I am a sufferer. Similarly, in every field of life we enjoy the results of our work, or we suffer the results. This is called karma.

Isvara (the Supreme Lord), jiva (the living entity), prakrti (nature), eternal time and karma (activity) are all explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Out of these five, the Lord, the living entities, material nature and time are eternal. The manifestation of prakrti may be temporary, but it is not false. Some philosophers say that the manifestation of material nature is false, but according to the philosophy of Bhagavad-gita or according to the philosophy of the Vaisnavas, this is not so. The manifestation of the world is not accepted as false; it is accepted as real, but temporary. It is likened unto a cloud which moves across the sky, or the coming of the rainy season which nourishes grains. 

As soon as the rainy season is over and as soon as the cloud goes away, all the crops which were nourished by the rain dry up. Similarly, this material manifestation takes place at a certain interval, stays for a while and then disappears. Such are the workings of prakrti. But this cycle is working eternally. Therefore prakrti is eternal; it is not false. The Lord refers to this as “My prakrti.” This material nature is the separated energy of the Supreme Lord, and similarly the living entities are also the energy of the Supreme Lord, but they are not separated. They are eternally related. So the Lord, the living entity, material nature and time are all interrelated and are all eternal. However, the other item, karma, is not eternal. 

The effects of karma may be very old indeed. We are suffering or enjoying the results of our activities from time immemorial, but we can change the results of our karma, or our activity, and this change depends on the perfection of our knowledge. We are engaged in various activities. Undoubtedly we do not know what sort of activities we should adopt to gain relief from the actions and reactions of all these activities, but this is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita.

Bg 15.8 P The Yoga of the Supreme Person

Here the living entity is described as isvara, the controller of his own body. If he likes, he can change his body to a higher grade, and if he likes he can move to a lower class. Minute independence is there. The change his body undergoes depends upon him. At the time of death, the consciousness he has created will carry him on to the next type of body. If he has made his consciousness like that of a cat or dog, he is sure to change to a cat’s or dog’s body. And, if he has fixed his consciousness on godly consciousness, he will be transferred to Krsnaloka in the spiritual world and will associate with Krsna. It is a false claim that after the annihilation of this body everything is finished. The individual soul is transmigrating from one body to another, and his present body and present activities are the background of his next body. One gets a different body according to karma, and he has to quit this body in due course. It is stated here that the subtle body, which carries the conception of the next body, develops another body in the next life. This process of transmigrating from one body to another and struggling while in the body is called karsati or struggle for existence.

Note:There is NO WAY these bogus GBC and their bogus gurus and their accomplices are getting away from stealing from the PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA Srila Prabhupada: "A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brahmana or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool."

KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said: "Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment -- one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. 

The perfect example was King Nrga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brahmana’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the arani fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brahmana can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brahmana.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) "If someone even touches a brahmana’s property, he is ruined for three generations. However, if a brahmana’s property is forcibly taken away, the taker’s family for ten generations before him and for ten generations after him will be subject to ruination. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated."
Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brahmana or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brahmana and thereby pollute your whole family. If someone even wishes to possess such property, let alone attempts to take it away by force, the duration of his life will be reduced. 

He will be defeated by his enemies, and after being bereft of his royal position, when he gives up his body he will become a serpent. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life."

Note: EVERY instance is different HOW and WHEN Krsna chooses to punish the party who have insulted His PURE devotee. BUT rest assured they will NOT get away:

SB 3.1.43 P Questions by Vidura
As declared in Bhagavad-gita, the Lord appears in the mortal world to execute His much-needed mission of killing the miscreants and giving protection to the suffering faithful. In spite of that mission, Lord Krsna tolerated the insult to Draupadi by the Kurus and the injustices perpetrated against the Pandavas, as well as insults to Himself. The question may be raised, "Why did He tolerate such injustices and insults in His presence? Why did He not chastise the Kurus immediately?" 

When Draupadi was insulted in the assembly by the Kurus by their attempt to see her naked in the presence of all, the Lord protected Draupadi by supplying an unlimited length of clothing. But He did not chastise the insulting party immediately. This silence of the Lord did not mean, however, that He excused the offenses of the Kurus. There were many other kings on earth who had become very proud of three kinds of possessions -- wealth, education and followers--and they were constantly agitating the earth by movements of military strength. The Lord was just waiting to get them together on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra and kill them all at one time, just to make a short-cut in His killing mission. 

Future Births of ISKCON's post-1977 gurus?


  1. Pada says, "Whenever there is a guru meltdown, we always collect some of the victimes for our Prabhupadanuga idea."

    You got it Pada, it is YOUR idea, not Srila Prabhuapda's. And just as the GBC is going to suffer eternally for mistreating and misguiding the devotees of ISKCON, so are you for taking devotees away from Prabhupada's movement ISCKKOn, AND BRINGING THEM OVER TO YOUR OWN CONCOCTED BOGUS FOOLISH IDEA.

  2. OK, so we are getting people to worship a pure devotee, if you have a better idea, what is it? ys pd

  3. And whose idea is that the GBC is going to suffer eternally, and Pada together with them? Is that Srila Prabhupada's idea?


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