More comments and responses (Aindra / Radhanath / GBC EC / Carribean Voodoo / etc.)

Berkeley Temple

San Francisco Rathayatra is Sunday 18th August, 2013. 
Golden Gate park (Sharon Meadows).

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PADA: Thanks prabhu, Yes, Aindra dasa was very critical of the GBC's guru program. They were about to kick him out of the Krishna Balarama temple, seeing him as a big threat to their authority. He was giving the ISKCON leaders a huge headache, by his constantly discussing the whole issue -- that the GBC authority was oppressing and ruining Lord Chaitanya's harinama samkirtana movement, because they had become a mundane "corporate elite" body. 

He was saying basically, if the GBC would not implement the samkirtana program properly within ISKCON, we might have to do that outside of ISKCON in a "devotee coalition" -- ok he was encouraging people to go outside the GBC authority. 

Aindra was constantly saying we need a "revolution" of samkirtana and that the GBC "corporate elite" and "managerial elite of ISKCON" only wanted to make money, and these leaders would not take the samkirtana movement seriously. Yes, he was directly criticizing and opposing them. At that time he mysteriously died. And so yes, a number of us are very suspicious of his untimely death. 

Meanwhile, we are making another Hare Krishna movement "grass roots coalition" of our own, separate from the GBC authority, which Aindra dasa wanted. Aindra dasa also was critical of the GBC's "Babaji rasika program" that was being promoted by Mahanidhi and others.   

Aindra prabhu speaking: 

http://youtu.be/AbCSBmodRbo

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Why are you committing Vaisnava aparadha against Malati dd and Radhanath Swami. They are both staunch Vaisnavas and totally committed to Srila Prabhupada and his mission. I don't know about the other devotees whom you criticize in this article, but you will not find more sincere devotees than Malati and Radhanath.  

ISKCON's gurus and their Ramesh Baba sahajiya club

[PADA: The GBC says all the time that Krishna's acharyas, successors and gurus are falling down into odious behavior, and engaging in illicit sex, drugs and even crimes. Radhanath and Malati have -- all along -- supported these GBC ideas, that the acharyas are often debauchees -- which is apa-siddhanta. This is proof Radhanath swami does not understand the siddhanta, and worse he just arranged to have a known homosexual pedophile (Kirtanananda swami) buried in the Holy Dham of Vndavana. ys pd]

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in response to this article seems very well constructed and informed A+, by 

Bruce

[PADA: Thanks! ys pd]

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It seems like traditional Gaudiya Vaishnava lines are only bonafide now, like Ananta das babaji, Pran krishna das babaji and so on....  

ISKCON's gurus and their Ramesh Baba sahajiya club

anonymus

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never mentioned these lines. Thus, none of our Prabhupadanuga programs have any connections to these lines, only the bogus GBC gurus are connected to these lines. ys pd] 

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They will get kicks in their faces again and again, but they will still not realize anything, just like the household flies are being kicked against the wall again and again, and still they continue flying like crazy until the housekeeper kicks them with his shoe. on 

Message from the GBC Executive Committee Re: Mahanidhi swami's Fall Down

in response to How many kicks in the face is it going to take for these self-motivated GBC/“guru” boneheads to finally realize that their pathetic attempt to be #33 of the disciplic succession (See: <http://causelessmercy.com/?P=BgIntroduction&TP=9863>) is simply a joke. Srila Prabhupada has a better idea: Ritvik henceforward!, by Pratyatosa Dasa.

1.SuperMind

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I would like to translate and publish this article/offering to the local newspapers, religious web forums or my web page in my country in Europe. Could you guide me, please?  

Srila Prabhupada Vyasa Puja by Puranjana dasa 2013

1.SuperMind
on 8/11/13

[PADA: Just go ahead -- and see what happens, I think its a great idea. People need to know the history of what happened. ys pd]

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Dear Pada, are you speculating when you said if someone does not name their guru they are impersonalists, and that Prabhupada said it? We have his letter to Bhavananda saying that when ONE GLORIFIES his guru he should say his name, not just an impersonal "All glories to guru", which Bhav had picked up somewhere. But does that mean every time we say something we have to say who our guru is to prove we are not impersonalists to YOU? Prove it prabhu, where is the quote from Srila Prabhupada. You are no better than any of the other devotees initiated by Prabhupada in this regard as far as I am concerned. You are all puffed up and think just because he accepted you that you can do "any damn thing now" as he said and you will be saved. Not true. That is so untrue. on History of Sahajiyas / Gaudiya Matha / Mahanidhi connection / etc. (RE: Rocana das article)

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

"As soon as we offer obeisances to guru, the name should be there. We are strictly personalists. The sahajiyas, they write, 'Glories to Guru'. Why you are learning this impersonalism? Who has taught you? Daily I am offering obeisances to my guru by vibrating his real name, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati, otherwise it is impersonal." Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Bhavananda, 14th July 1972 dear pada, as you can see, srila Prabhupada is herein explaining that as soon as one offers obeisances to the guru he should say the guru's name. apparently Bhavananda had heard someone shorten it in India and thought it would be nice to change things. But does Prabhupada say you have to say the name of your guru 24 hours a day? That we have to say the guru's name to satisfy your curiosity so you can blaspheme and criticize said guru? Not in this quotation. So unless you can give a more direct quote stating that everyone other than a smug "Prabhupada disciple" in name only, and that might on Petition for GBC to release Mahanidhi's resignation letter

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

[PADA: Right, we also do not write "All Glories to Srila Prabhupada" as the top heading of everything we write either. Rather, this "name your guru" point is -- our argument against the many people who keep saying there is a living guru (somewhere) but they never tell us who that living guru is, or where he is, or what he has written, or where are his temples etc.? Ever. 

At least eventually we will say who our guru is, namely Srila Prabhupada, whereas people like Rocana / Kailash / various Gaudiya Matha folks etc. -- they never mention the name of their living guru --- ever, and that keeps going on for decades at a time in some cases. Everyone knows who our guru is eventually, however nobody EVER knows their living guru's name EVER, that is the point. At least if you ask us we can tell you who our guru is, meanwhile we have asked some of these people since the 1990s who their living guru is, and they never tell us. ys pd]

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From: Internet: "Peter Nicoloff" Date: 07-Aug-13 18:38 +0530 Reference: Text PAMHO:25405682 by Parijata (dd) RNS (IC Mumbai - IN) Cc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [7219], IIAC (ISKCON India Advisory Committee) [3807] Comments: Text PAMHO:25418148 by Pancharatna (das) GKG (ISKCON Brahmapur, Odisha - IN) Attached: 25416187.eml (10323 bytes) "Original email file" Subject: Re: Letter from GBC EC ------------------------------------------------------------ Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. I just spoke to Mahanidhi Maharaja for a long time and I am convinced that he has been framed, some envious disciples really attached him and have destroyed his reputation. So Maharaja is laying low, and just wants to chant and recover from all this. He never had an illicit relationship with any women, it is all rumors. Your servant, Pancagauda das on 

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

[PADA: We have all been are waiting for the GBC's Executive Committee to reply, they are not. ys pd]

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Imagine if there was an internet posting every time a grihasta engaged in a grihamedhi act. I just say that to put it in perspective. People that spent 90 percent of their life renounced undoubtably have offered much service; but yes, its a razor's edge. I agree with previous poster; sannyasis and brahmacaris should never be alone with women, no matter how advanced or mature you think you are. on 

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

[PADA: OK except that Srila Prabhupada says a pure devotee can even be present in a room full of naked women and he will not be disturbed. In other words, these GBC gurus are promoting themselves as pure devotees (uttama adhikary) who will never be agitated. They are NOT saying they are simply kanisthas, brahmacharis and sannyasas. A pure devotee will not be attracted to mundane sex life, and these GBC gurus are saying that they in fact these pure devotees. So that means they are saying they are residents of Krishna loka, and these residents are lusty dogs and fools, that is the point we are objecting to. ys pd] 

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Why got shock or what ??? on 

Message from the GBC Executive Committee Re: Mahanidhi swami's Fall Down

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

[PADA: Hah hah, yes why is all this shocking at all, these GBC gurus have a scandal every once in a while ever since 1978, what else is new? No one should be shocked anymore, its what they do. ys pd]

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I've already signed the petition - have you? on

Petition for GBC to release Mahanidhi's resignation letter

Alexander
on 8/11/13

[PADA: No I have not signed it, but I agree with the principle, we need to hear what Mahanidhi is saying himself, so I support the petition. ys pd]

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Are you joking? Mahanidhi has a laptop, internet access and could immediately inform the world what realy happened. But this he won't do. So this is a bunch of his scared disciples who disavow that their "guru" wants to quit. Mahanidhi never questioned whether Prabhupada appointed successor diksha-gurus. He immediately exploited this facility of gaining name, fame, followers and wealth. Real question is, why GBC is allowing these gurus to run private bank accounts? Isn't basically the whole issue money? As soon ISKCON gurus have enough money they are going nuts. In case Mahanidhi just received a heirship from his family, this money belongs to ISKCON. ISKCON sannyasis cannot cash up anything. See the fine print.

Petition for GBC to release Mahanidhi's resignation letter

Anonymous
on 8/11/13

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I was driving a van headed to a home program somwhere in Boston, Massachusets and next to me was who would later became, HH Romapada Swami. Also, right next to me, there was who will later became HH Agrani maharaja. On that occassion they were both talking about who of them would take sanyasa first. Romapada said: "I'm going to wait for a little while". Agrani Prabhu said: "I think I am ready. I will accept it". Agrani das Bramacari, later on became Agrani das Goswami. And, about a month later Romapada Prabhu "entered the renounced order of life". Now, were they really ready for it? If you ask me, whom served these men at a very close range, I would, adamantly say, no. Truth must be told. However, I offer my humble obeisances to, even an ant who might've walked over Srla Prabhupada's lotus feet. All glories to my dearest guru-maharaja, HDG Srla Prabhupada! All glories to Sri-Sri Nimai-Nitai! Hare Krsna! on

Comments and responses 08/09/2013

Anonymous
on 8/10/13

[PADA: Correct, Agrani swami reportedly later on said he fell down because he sent a woman disciple of his to a Voodoo ghost busting in the Caribbean, and when the Voodoo priestess smeared blood from a slaughtered goat on her breasts, he was agitated for sex. That was his apparent excuse from falling from being the messiah of the Jagat. ys pd]  

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This is garbage, just garbage that ruins the spiritual life on 

ISKCON's gurus and their Ramesh Baba sahajiya club

Anonymous
on 8/10/13

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There is so much which we don't know. Let's stop with the speculation and instead focus on gathering more information. You can help by signing the petition for the GBC Executive Committee to release the letter wherein Mahanidhi Swami allegedly resigned from ISKCON: https://www.change.org/petitions/iskcon-gbc-executive-committee-release-mahanidhi-swami-s-letter-wherein-he-resigned-from-iskcon on 

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Anonymous
on 8/10/13

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I am not a Mahanidhi supporter (or detractor), but in all fairness (concerning "snuff"): in a letter to Revatinandana dasa, dated 9 January, 1974, Prabhupada writes: "Regarding taking snuff, I myself take it sometimes at night because I am working at night on my books, and sometimes I become dizzy. But it is not for you to take. You should not imitate this, neither you work like me at night." on 

Mahanidhi Defenders Come Forward (letter from Pancagauda das)

Yajnavalkya dasa
on 8/10/13

[PADA: OK, but these things are not supposed to be emphasized as an attempt to discredit Srila Prabhupada, thats the point. ys pd]

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Could you please tell which of Sri Anantas das Baba's book Mahanidhi Swami translated from Bengali and called The art of Chanting??? on 

Mahanidhi scandal expands (other ISKCON GBC gurus implicated)

Anonymous
on 8/9/13

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HELLo all of you out there! I just would like to share my concern. Stop blaming each other. If we say this swami is wrong because not following Prabhupada's instruction. then why Prabhupada choose such people to be sanyasi in such a young age. They should be given enough training before been given such a high position of sanyasi's, or at-least have a vedic background family. But please remind our self, Prabhupada did say to some intimate follower, that when he is no more in this world, most of his follower will fall and we will see more grahasta-guru (acarya representative). I think it is time for everyone who owe Prabhupada after receiving his massage; to do some drastic move, to save our parama-acarya's name and Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu grace. Its unite or been destroyed by other (so-called) well establish religion.- Sri Radha Syamasuder Servant in Seremban, Malaysia. on 

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Anonymous
on 8/9/13

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I watched the very strange mahanidhi video and had to say I felt uncomfortable even sitting here so far away from Vrndavana. Yet I saw another ISKCON devotee doing the same type of thing at Radha Kunda myself. A devotee who is still in good standing. I thought to myself, "What is this devotee doing? Is he a sahajiya? Why is he acting like some sort of Indian woman?" This other devotee also got a few laughs but I felt extremely uncomfortable about him too. I also thought that because they are thinking they are women inside then occasionally it comes out of them this way, their consciousness just has to come out in a perverted reflection once in a while. Or maybe it's just an innocent joke, what do you think? on

Mahanidhi Defenders Come Forward (letter from Pancagauda das)

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Hare Rama, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Dressing Children as Krishna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfoA9W8YYQY Just as a question: Is this kind of festival approved by Srila Prabhupada and if so please let me know the quotation from Vedabase. I never every read anything about dressing up as Krishna and in my humble opinion this might lead to imitation tendency in the children.

These Vaikuntha children are the future of this movement, so we need to be very careful not to teach them anything wrong. So I personally would not do this since I would fear this might instill a Sahajiya Mindset in the children to dress up as Krishna and Gopis and imitate Rasa Lila later. Puranjana Prabhu what is your explanation on this? (I do not mean to criticize Bangalore, I am just suspicious after seeing this) Greetings on

Comments and responses 08/09/2013
Bhakta Robin

[PADA: I am not sure if this is something we will find mentioned in the archives. I have seen small children dressed as Krishna in India at some festivals, and it may be some sort of cultural thing over there. I think it is not a big problem as far as imitation of rasa lila -- because children are very innocent and not aware of sexuality at this age. I have also seen photos of Muslim women dressing their kids as Krishna. Overall, if its getting people inspired to think of Krishna, I am generally for it. But if there is some concrete evidence this is a serious problem, I have not seen it. There are also children dancers in India who dress like Krishna and so on, I have not seen how this is creating any major problems. ys pd] 

Dressing kids like Krishna for dancing and plays also seems to be a long standing cultural tradition in India: 

http://youtu.be/9uvsL3Zg5ok

     
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There's no question of defending him. He is the one who confessed to his disciples. This happens so often. The guru has one moment of clarity where he realizes he is going to go to hell for eternity for misleading all of his disciples so he fesses up. Then he gets rotten tomatoes thrown at him, etc. Then he longs for his position back again, bhoga tyaga. So he says the GBC are envious and are making this all up and salvages as much of his previous empire as he can. This guru is shameless making fun of Srila Prabhupada, rejecting Prabhupada, and taking shelter of other gurus then blaming the GBC for saying he has deviated after he said it himself. And his disciples need to be educated on the side. Because if one goes directly to try and educate the foolish disciples of such a foolish guru they will become angry since they have bought his act hook line and sinker. on

Mahanidhi Defenders Come Forward (letter from Pancagauda das)

Anonymous
on 8/9/13

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Pada, a vyasa puja offering is supposed to glorify the guru and be different every year. Yours seems to be the same old psychosis you've had for the last thirty five years. how long does it take for a non devotee woman who has been raped to get over that fear? 35 years? How long does it take for a man who's friend has been murdered to forget about the fact that he was next? perhaps never. But at least when you are trying to make a vyasa puja offering you should try to stick to glorifying His Divine Grace instead of trying to make the same old point over and over again for the rest of your life.

Srila Prabhupada Vyasa Puja by Puranjana dasa 2013

Anonymous
on 8/9/13

[PADA: We said in that document that there are many new people who are becoming Prabhupadanugas now -- and that means as of today in 2013 -- all because of the work we pioneers did on this program in the past. Pioneering the idea that Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya for ISKCON, instead of various self appointed deviants, is not just an old issue from 35 years ago? 

It is quite relevant right now, hence all kinds of people are discussing this issue now. Where have you been hiding? Everyone in the ISKCON environment is discussing this issue right now AS OF TODAY, namely what we discussed in 1978 -- "are these GBC gurus authorized, and should we worship Srila Prabhupada instead of these post-1977 successors." This is what everyone is asking us about now? You are really out of the loop if you have no idea that all this is the current topic in ISKCON.

What we said is, our Prabhupadanuga idea STARTED a while back, but its being accepted more and more -- and all over the globe -- and every day -- and right NOW. Apparently you are living in the past? We said all of the past issues have come to fruition in the form of many new Prabhupadanugas accepting this process NOW. Now = Today, not 35 years ago?

As for fearful psychosis, sorry, its you who still cannot give you own name in public for the past 35 years? At least some of the women we have worked with over the past 35 years have bravely given their names and testimony, you cannot? You are the person suffering from paranoid psychosis -- apparently?

And what exactly have you established in the past 35 years? At least we are now in the mopping up phase, we just made a bunch of articles on Mahanidhi and have been getting sometimes over 3,000 hits a day, bringing many new people up to speed on these issues.

If you have some program that is explaining the whole Mahanidhi problem, where is it? Just get over it, tell us what should have been done instead, and how you have done that, and how that is working. Show us a better example, "example is better than precept." Anyway, yes you are giving us credit for being consistent. We said all along, lets stop the worship of these bogus people and worship the pure devotee. If someone else has a better idea, what is it? ys pd

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PADA: Sorry, the GBC food program and the Akshaya Patra program that is feeding 1.5 million kids a day, are not the same program. Also sorry, putting a dead animal into food is sabotage, wherever that is done, and it has been done even in food processing factories in the USA. I have no idea why you think its not sabotage? 

You have to start making sense if you want to discuss this. Our question to you is, are you able to feed three stray alley cats a day? We are starting have doubts. Even feeding 100 children a day in India is a major accomplishment since its total chaos getting anything done over there, I know I lived there for almost two years. What are you doing to feed anyone, except your own fat face? Show us where your food program is, for starters. Or do you have none to show us, and you are simply envious someone else does? ys pd

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