Thursday, November 7, 2013

Conspiracy Theories and the Hare Krishna Movement

PADA: The above painting was made in 1987 at New Vrndavana just after the Federal Marshals and West Virginia police raided their compound. Its very amazing really, a police-type figure is looking very big and demoniac, and he is taking away the poor innocent devotees to a graveyard. It was apparently a big shock for "Krishna devotees" that their illegal activities would eventually land them in trouble with the "karmi" police.

The West Virginia devotees seemed to think they had "Krishna's protection" from criminal prosecution. Unfortunately people in fanatical personality cults (like Kirtanananda's) think they have some "divine right" from God to perform these actions (including orchestrating murders of Vaishnavas) -- and they will be protected from prosecution on earth -- and then go to heaven in the afterlife. In other words, it is called religious fanaticism. After 1977, all sorts of criminal activity emerged from the ISKCON society, and there were many police and legal problems.

PADA and Sulochana's program was -- to oppose this program, and we did that by writing documents on the bogus gurus, which resulted in Sulochana's being assassinated. New Vrndavana was then raided by the Federal Marshals and police. PADA's editor then became one of the prime people blamed by "the devotees" for the raid, and we were severely criticized by a number of them for our program of "going to the police." We still are being criticized by some foot draggers for our "going outside" for help.

Our working with the Berkeley police was somewhat more successful, because they knew all too well that this "guru project" was a criminal operation even by 1980, and so they were able to save us from being assaulted or killed. People whose lives are in danger should work with the police, that's simply common sense, its not the basis for a giant conspiracy theory.

What is amazing is that the "karmi" police often have more "common sense" regarding the dangers of the bogus post-1977 ISKCON guru cults, and they also have had more compassion, friendship and concern for "dissenting" devotees than do -- many of "the devotees." This is of course why we at PADA have not worried too much about these devotee's opinions, since many devotees are either very naive (and they do not see any dangers here) or worse, some of them would rather have had us killed a long time ago.

As Sulochana used to say, "These devotees want to give us a bad name, and have us hanged." There is a sector of devotees who want to discredit us, demonize us, so they can get us banned if not killed. So really, we have to thank the police for saving us from that situation. This is really not a conspiracy, its what the police do all the time on a regular basis, they protect innocent people from crooked and dangerous people.

The upshot of all this over time has been: -- some devotees have assumed that PADA is therefore part of some sort of giant world wide conspiracy such as: -- The New World Order (NWO) / Illuminati / CIA / KGB / FBI or similar programs that are oppressing not only the devotees, but are maybe repressing the whole world, all because we had some help from a few government authorities. And so we get messages from time to time that the PADA program is run by the CIA, Illuminati blah, blah, blah.

As with many bogus guru cults, people begin to feel paranoid because we are attacking their cult. Worse, its a shadow image of some of the GBC's gurus like Bhakti Tirtha swami, Harikesha and other bogus ISKCON leaders who were also very fond of similar CONSPIRACY THEORIES, sometimes from the same sources. We heard reports that Bhakti Tirtha swami and Harikesh ex-swami sometimes discussed things like -- aliens, lost continents, subterranean demons, and etc. To his credit Bhakti Vikas Swami wrote essays attacking some of these conspiracy nut jobs in the ranks of the GBC's gurus, unfortunately he forgot to explain to us why he allows these nut jobs to emerge as his and ISKCON's co-messiahs.

For example, one theory forwarded by some of these GBC deviants and their "illuminati DVD" clones web sites like that of Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad is that the world is controlled by subterranean demons, and / or the demon "lizard" race from the Graco constellation:


Now, we are no longer combating merely a few crazy ex-hippies with messianic ego problems such as the GBC's gurus, we are combating no less than the demon lizard race from the Graco Constellation. The lizard race has allegedly taken "shape shifting" human forms, where they are now in total control of the world's government management positions. And they are also the leaders who are in control of ISKCON.  OK guess what happens next? This idea discourages people from opposing, they think there is no point in opposing because there is some massive conspiracy to implement the GBC guru process. "You cannot fight city hall." It simply adds to the lethargy and inertia that pervades the devotee community already, and this (in a co-dependent manner) empowers the bogus gurus to stay in power.

Then again, there is bitter competition among some of these conspiracy groups. Some of these nut case Illuminati programs found on the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad site discredit the lizard race theory folks as "con-men," while they promote yet another -- and even worse theory. Yes, just as we see in ISKCON, these nutty professor messiahs are fighting with each other. Srila Prabhupada opined that all of these writers are totally illusioned con-men.

Anyway, this is the important point, its something like saying, "Do not bother to counter the GBC's guru program, since its being controlled by the lizard race -- which controls the entire universe," i.e. the same lizard people who have controlled the universe for thousands of years are now in control of ISKCON. Wait a minute, where does Srila Prabhupada or Krishna mention the lizard people taking over the universe, and running ISKCON? And where does Srila Prabhupada say we should speak such concocted theories in lectures at ISKCON temples, and / or sell DVDs from the exponents of these crack pot theories? So this is helping the bogus gurus, do not bother to fight them, they are part of the all powerful demon race / Illuminati etc. that controls the universe, and ISKCON.

Its sort of like saying Satan is in control of everything -- as some paranoid Christians are saying. Oddly, Satan allegedly has a snake form and these people think the demons have a lizard form. There are other variations on this "demons are in control" theme, for example that the Illuminati is in control of the world, and ISKCON. Great! Except, if the Illuminati is in really charge of the whole world and ISKCON, how are us anti-illuminati folks able to promote ANY counter propaganda against the Illuminati's regime?

They control everything in the universe, except for -- a few of us? That makes no sense either, they control everything in the jagat except, the PADA editor, and some Illuminati DVD folks and others who are protesting what they are doing (i.e. running the GBC gurus). And so we can write against their program for decades on end without them shutting us down a long time ago? Umm, does not that make the Illuminati not so powerful, they cannot even shut down one taxi driver in San Francisco?

If there really is an all powerful Illuminati in control of ISKCON, wouldn't they suppress any counterpoint or expose? So basically, the Illuminati controls the whole world, except for us at PADA, and a few "Illuminati DVD sales" folks who are opposing them? Yep, makes no sense at all, they control everything, except a few "special people" -- for example those who are making money selling DVDs to show us how to get free of the Illuminati?

This brings us forward to the next conspiracy theory, that the USA's CIA / FBI is managing ISKCON. Great! Except this presents the same problem, if the CIA is really in charge, how are a few knuckleheads able to oppose the giant CIA / FBI organization? If the CIA is in charge, how would they have let the poison tapes slip out of their hands and get into the hands of -- PADA?

And once PADA had announced the poison case, how could he have survived, because -- if the CIA was part of the poison issue, they would have wanted this information to be suppressed? And if the CIA really was in charge, why did they not remove and destroy all copies of the tape that gives evidence of the poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada, since that is the type of thing the CIA is expert at doing? The CIA conspiracy idea simply does not seem to hold water.

This brings us to the next theory, currently being forwarded also by the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali / Nicklaus Evans group, from their vociferous group member Janardana Das, that "the Jews" are infiltrating ISKCON to take it over. Janardan das writes: "Jai Adwaita aka (Jay Israel) works for Kali exclusively .... its funny when you bring up the fact that 75% + of all these "gurus" are Jewish you are IMMEDIATELY labeled anti Semite..or racist, If 75% + of these "gurus" were African american... or say German, devotees would be like HEY WHY ARE ALL THESE GURUS BLACK? NAZIS? It is so hard for people to connect this for some reason."

Yes, its not hard to connect the dots and figure this out at all, the people in this group support neo-Nazi anti-semitism. And yes, Nazi propaganda and ideology is famous for being against the Jewish race. And yes, the neo-Nazis and so-called Aryan groups in the USA are anti-semites. The only good news is, these people are against the GBC's gurus.

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That bad news is, their program is apparently simply another anti-semite / neo-Nazi  / skin head  / gestapo jackboots program. A number of concerned devotees have wrote to complain to PADA that the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Janardan / Pancali et al program is simply another branch of the skin head type of neo-Nazi program that hates the Jews, and wants to have them driven out of ISKCON, and maybe driven out of more than that, something like nazi Germany was alleged to have been doing. There are now a few anti-ISKCON sites saying that Srila Prabhupada supports these neo-Nazi ideas, and the Prahlad group is feeding that idea. Did some people forget that Srila Prabhupada initiated people of all races as his disciples and he preached "we are not these temporary material bodies"?

Preaching sectarian and bodily race hatred is certainly not helping create a good impression of the Krishna religion at all, to have devotees publicly aligned with this anti-semite propaganda. Its also not hard to find all kinds of virulent and hateful anti-semite propaganda on various Illuminati web sites advertised by the Prahlad group, which sells DVDs from these folks.

This is not, and was not, the policy, nor tone and tenor, of Srila Prabhupada and his teachings. He never said we should adopt neo-Nazi views and their policies for his society. He never said a particular race of people should be targeted as the demon race enemy of ISKCON.  This is not the way forward, to promote neo-Nazi-ism, especially in public forums. The GBC at least attracts some small numbers of people with their bogus gopi rasika program, whereas these neo-Nazis are (thankfully) not attracting hardly anyone, but they are turning away many people from the Krishna religion by saying, -- first you have to be a neo-nazi, then you can join our religion. And they are feeding the various (and growing number of) sites by disgruntled people that are attacking ISKCON as anti-semite.

This is simply not a very popular idea these days, because most of the people of the Western world are now in sympathy with the idea of allowing all races to participate in their society. Neo-Nazi-ism is just not something the mass of people will accept, ever. And some devotees have suggested that is why these people are promoting this, to turn people away from Krishna.

For that matter, the neo-Nazi skin head program in the USA is not growing that big either, its considered by most people as a dangerous fringe operation, yes you can worship Jesus, as long as you give your allegience to our conspiracy theories -- which aim at re-establishing the Third Reich. Not many people are going to be attracted to a religion that seems to share the same ideology with the skin headed neo-Nazis, people who are often seen wearing Nazi tattoos, displaying Nazi flags, doing Nazi hand salutes, and claiming this is the "pure Christian" faith. Srila Prabhupada wanted us to have a race-less view of ALL of the living entities on the planet, he did not want to create hateful factions based on racial bigotry, and have these hate mongering factions formed in the name of his Krishna religion.

Its just not what he wanted and ordered, period.  

Meanwhile, some of the members of the Sanat/ Prahlad / Janardan / Pancali group are promoting Bhakta das, who is saying we need to work with Radhanath swami, one of the "demon gurus" identified by Janardan das as a GBC guru collaborator and conspirator. In other words, after awhile, these people can no longer even keep track of their own bogus theories? On the one hand (A) they want us to join forces with their neo-Nazi ideology, and march lock step with them at a Klu Klux Klan rally to promote anti-semitism, while simultaneously on the other hand, (B) they want us to work with them and Bhakta das to promote the worship of the alleged bogus guru conspiracy collaborators like Radhanath? As Srila Prabhupada says, the materialists give us contradictory commands that cannot be followed by anyone, because they are contrary.

In other words, these people cannot even follow -- the advice and teachings of -- themselves? This is exactly why Srila Prabhupada warns us about reading too many speculative materials from these mundane authors, its going to make us go just as cracker pots as these conspiracy writers that they are reading and promoting. And now these idiots want PADA to "apologize" for not joining them in marching with their KKK neo-Nazi marching jack boot steps, and zeig heil hand salutes, and simultaneously, promote the worship of the GBC's guru conspiracy leaders like Radhanatha.

Anti-Semitism Is Not a Good Road for Krishna Devotees

Again! NOTICE! This is why Srila Prabhupada warns us not to get too involved with reading these outside materials, it makes us speak in mundane influenced contradictions. And this is also dangerous since it creates the impression the Hare Krishnas are aligned with the KKK, the anti-semites, the lizard race fanatics, and so on and so forth.

Incidently, Harikesha said that Srila Prabhupada followed Hitler (and anti-semitism?) :  (from and ex-Harikesha follower) "And last but not least, why are you (Harikesha) now comparing Srila Prabhupada to Hitler? What does Srila Prabhupada have in common with Hitler for you to make such statements? Isn't it more correct that you are like Hitler, who is now complaining about the cruelty of the NAZI party"?

There are many alliances between all these theories, but many of them are anti-semite. Many of them make people feel helpless and hopeless by saying that the bogus ISKCON leaders are part of some giant world dominating program that cannot be fought by a few disgruntled dissenters.

PADA's point is simply: That Srila Prabhupada said that there is a sinister movement in his movement, but he identified those influences as coming his deviated God brothers, and not the CIA / FBI / Illuminati / Zionists etc. These conspiracy theories are simply another dangerous out cropping, just as the GBC guru's "Radha kunda rasika" program is another dangerous out cropping. The Gaudiya Matha had no Westerners at at all, they had some bogus motivated people who wanted to be gurus. ISKCON has followed their path, that is all. And many of the people in the ISKCON guru program are from India, and many of them are in sympathy with the Gaudiya Matha.

As for conspiracies, someone wrote PADA recently that ISKCON has been taken over by 50 gay Jewish people. And that is a conspiracy. Assuming that is true for the sake of argument, ... hey wait a minute? 50 gay people took over ISKCON? Why didn't the 4,950 other disciples join PADA and Sulochana and stop that from happening? There has been another conspiracy hardly no one wants to talk about that, ... the mass of devotees did not properly resist these fraudulent gurus. There has been a conspiracy of silence, and that is how all these bogus things were allowed to over take the society. That is the larger conspiracy. ys pd

Srila Prabhupada: "Therefore in world history we see that there have been many leaders who have died working hard. They could not adjust things properly, despite all their hard efforts. There was Napoleon, Hitler, Gandhi, Nehru and many others, but they could not ultimately prevail. This is durasaya. The ultimate goal of life is to understand Visnu, yet people are going on blindly trying to satisfy their senses. If one blind man tries to lead another, what is the result? If both the leaders and followers are blind, they will all fall in a ditch, for they are all bound by their nature."


Translation: "The demoniac person thinks: 'So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes.' "
Prabhupada: Next. Next bank balance. Then?
Caru: " 'So much is mine now and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.' In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance."
Prabhupada: Just like Hitler, Napoleon. They thought like that. Yes.Then? Next verse?
Caru: Aneka-citta-vibhranta moha-jala samavrtah...
Prabhupada: Now where is Hitler? Where is Napoleon? Finished.Then?
Caru: Moha-jala-samavrtah, prasaktah kama-bhogesu patanti narake 'sucau: "Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell."


Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: "Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.'' But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas "Jnanam jneyam jnana-gamyam,'' (ibid), Krishna is knowledge, He is the object of knowledge, He is the goal of knowledge, and yo mam evam asammudho janati purusottamam sa sarva-vid bhajati mam [Bhagavad-Gita. XV, 19] "Whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is to be understood as the knower of everything, and he engages himself therefore in devotional service'' -- this is the understanding of advanced devotee, so my best advice to you is to agree to come to this understanding. .

Your ever well wisher, .
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami



  1. Message from dumbass BVK Swami how to destroy the life of your kids: raise your kids in total poverty at a place where you are surrounded by a society which runs on money. Later on when your kids find out that you enforced a lifestyle of total poverty upon them they will reject you and end up in despair and confusion because they got no education to make it anywhere.

  2. At present age vedic farming only works when it is run by celibate monks. As soon there are kids and you are surrounded by a nation which runs on money you also have to generate money. Based on UNICEF statistics, in developing countries the cost is roughly US$900 for raising a child for a year, and US$16,200 for raising a child from birth to age 17.

  3. Dear Mr. PADA. The Jews, the Aliens, the Illuminati, these people need to get out from under the bed and quit worrying all day about the boogey man. Such babies! No wonder they cannot get anything done. Srila Prabhupada was not worried about any of these things, ever. He did not want to create paranoid little babies who are always fearful, this is soooooo bogus. A devotee does not fear these things, he is transcendental. They have not understood the basics.

    Aliens In Control-pada

  4. Right, Prabhupada used to invite International Monetary Fund cheif, global players, rabbis, mason brother, etc and they would donate, take prasadam, chant the Holy name. All these kanisthas who are afraid of the so called conspiracy are ticking time bombs. In Western countries anybody who is seen as neo nazi is de facto in prison, life is spoiled. Establishment finishes him off.

    [PADA: Correct, the nut job conspiracy theory folks are not popular in the mainstream population. They will be rejected by the main populace and establishment. Correct. Hardly any devotees are even taking these neo-Nazi fools seriously either. Promoting these conspiracy ideas will never have much impact and in the end they will be rejected by the mass of people, and the mass of devotees, as kooks and cranks.]

    *** So there are now a few idiots who figure they have a "mighty weapon to finish off Prabhupada's movement" by spreading that Prabhupada was an anti-Semite, racist. Already these mischief-makers are out of control to publish articles that put Prabhupada in bad shape.

    [PADA: Yes, there is the conspiracy idea (A) that Srila Prabhupada had way too many Jews in his movement -- and he should be faulted for doing that, and then the other theory is that (B) he was an anti-semite. So there is no agreement among the theories. Obviously both ideas cannot be true at the same time. So they are concocting faults out of nothing, fact is -- he was liberal with all races and allowed all races. If only a teeny percent of leaders took over the whole thing, then that means the others were too weak and foolish to stop that.]

    *** Of course false guru ISKCON will blame the Prabhupadanugas of having created such morons. Fact is that our acaryas were furious when neophyte vaishnavas presented things to the public what creates chaos.

    [PADA: The only reason some of us dissenters lived is that we went public. We cannot go onto the dangerous cult grounds and speak out there, we will be beaten or even killed and "buried in the hills of New Vrndavana." When we have a dangerous cult, we have to go to the public police and media, or die. The dissenters who did not go public, like Taru, Chatur bahu and others, are dead. And some who went there and spoke out were beaten almost to death like Kulashekhara was. We have to go public when dealing with a deadly cult, there is no other option, except, to get beaten or killed. Or to simply acquiesce and accept the bogus cult, and let them mis-represent Krishna. Also not a good option.]

    *** Since 20 years people hear Hare Krishnas are pedophiles, homosexuals, false gurus and murderers. Now they will write articles that.

    [PADA: When us and Sulochana wrote that the GBC gurus are bogus, we thought the mass of devotees would wake up, rise up, and help us, the cavalry would arrive and help us fix things, It just did not happen. Most of the devotees simply did not care. Sulochana was discouraged at the end, he said even if the GBC was worshiping a bucket of dog manure on the altars, most of the devotees would not care. So despite knowing that the GBC is worshiping homosexuals and deviants, the mass of devotees never stood up to that, and still are not sufficiently.

    Does that mean no protest should have been done and we should have allowed the idea that Srila Prabhupada wanted and ordered deviants to be his successor messiahs? That is the better plan? No one really tells us what the better plan would have been, or is now. ys pd]

  5. Thanks OM prabhu but I did not write nor publish all the articles on the harerksna org site. Sorry! ys pd


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