Prabhupada Festival 2023 Was a Bust (PADA)

 Janardana Maharaja

 

We need more molester messiah's club's folks

Telling Jayapataka to take sins is great?

You are ruining these guys lives.

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The Old Retired Troopers Society

PADA: Thanks for your question MD, "what is my opinion of the recent Prabhupada Festival held in Malibu"? Well first of all, the previous Prabhupada festivals were held at the Los Angeles temple, made by Patrikananda das. But this was really a Jayapataka Festival, because Los Angeles actually worships JPS, the founder father of their pedophile messiah's guru process, more than they worship Srila Prabhupada. Maybe Los Angeles temple told them to go elsewhere because there are some problems with having a "Prabhupada festival" at Los Angeles temple which is really a Jayapataka temple. 

In fact people who want to worship Prabhupada can be banned, beaten and Sulochana was even killed around there. The people who worship Prabhupada are not in their pedophile messiah's club, so they have to be removed. The LAPD guys used to pull me over on my bike around Watseka and warn me, "you idiot, don't you know these people want to kill you"? Well yup. No kidding, we are not bowing down to people like JPS whose program causes Krishna's children to be mass beaten and perhaps also raped in the Holy Dham, so they wanted to get rid of us.

Even the local cops have this all figured out. Overall, anyone who does not worship their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club there can get killed, yup, even the cops know what is going on there. 

As we all know the Jayapataka / Mayapur program has had maybe 40 years of children being mistreated, some beaten, some raped, some committed suicide and so forth. Some of these victims are suffering lifetime problems from having their their teeth knocked out, bones broken, stunted growth from being starved, anus raped and so on and so forth. And that is why Janardan Maharaja glorifies the leaders of that program like JPS, he is with that agenda -- self evident. 

So the Los Angeles festival is really all about glorifying their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club for the past 45 years or so. Or as some victim of their process said, Mayapur has been "Auschwitz for kids." So Los Angeles likes to worship the leaders of their Auschwitz for kids program mainly, and -- kill us -- because we wanted to worship Srila Prabhupada. 

One person recently told me, "it seems to me -- their whole guru succession smells like rancid a**." Ummm jeepers, even I could not have summed them up better myself. And that explains why they invited Panca Dravida aka Janardana Maharaja over to Prabhupada fest. He was just recently bowing down to Jayapataka / Auschwitz for kids leader / in an effort to get his support for the Sridhara Maharaja program. 

And Janardan said that Jayapataka is doing great work, and everyone loves him. Yep, having kids molested, beaten, raped etc. in the Holy Dham is -- doing great work evidently. So anyone who glorifies a program of beating and raping Vaishnava children is welcomed there, and that is why we do not bother going ourselves, we are not in favor of promoting worshiping their "rancid a**" guru programs.   

Govinda dasi told me my idea of worshiping the acharya is "ritvik snitvik." I think she was with the Narayana Maharaja crew, and he was in Texas defending Tamal when we were in Texas having Tamal sued for mass molesting. So it always seems to come down to the same problem, there are people who are promoting the rancid a** guru process, and we are the bogus [non-pedophile guru] ritviks snitviks. 

And then they make pretend they have no idea why children are being starved, beaten, molested, raped, and "treated worse than people treat their dogs," according to one of their victims. But we all DO know why children are getting treated worse than dogs, because these people more or less co-created the Auschwitz for kids process, by omission or commission. 

To sum, yep Janardana maharaja is a cheer leader of Sridhara Maharaja, founder father of the bi-sexual 1936 guru process which had dissenters banned, beaten and killed. Then Sridhara became the darling of the GBC's homosexual pedophile guru process after 1977, and the whole regime of banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing started all over again. And that is why Janardana is made the Malibu key note speaker, he is a Jayapataka groupie and a follower of the Sridhara Maharaja homosexual and pedophile guru's cheer leader's club. 

They love that guy. Because he is one of the big advocates of the "smells like rancid a**" guru programs. Of course Guru das also shows up, and he is a big Radhanath fan club member. Another henchman for the pedophile guru process. ys pd

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Notice how the Radhanath process has been using the children to promote his pedophile guru program. Here the children are going to glorify the murderer of Vaishnavas. Yep, anyone who does not promote pedophiles as God's successors -- needs to be exterminated. And they are all working hand in glove, Radhanath, Jayapataka, and the Los Angeles temple authorities. And the LA Prabhupada fest cannot get away from this agenda, because they are part of it. Told ya! ys pd

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Messing with children's brains.

Brain washing with toxic materials.

Hare Krishna Britain Interviews Puranjana Das VIDEO /ISKCON

 

Sahajiyas / Kali Chelas / Applied Anger / Saci Suta (VIDEO)

SAHAJIYAS

"These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came."
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Prabhupāda: Actually everyone knows that my Guru Mahārāja had thousands of disciples. So out of thousands of disciples, practically I am little successful. That everyone knows. Why? Because I firmly believed in the words of my guru. That's all. This is the... There may be many other Godbrother, maybe very learned and very advanced, whatever it may be, favored, and... Everyone claims that "I am the most favorite." And practical point of view... So I think sometimes that "Why this wonderful thing has happened to me?" So I search out. I search out only that I cent percent believe in the words of my spiritual... That's all, nothing else. Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete koriyā aikya, āra nā koriho maneāśā **. Don't think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.
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Prabhupāda: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that.
Room Conversation -- January
January 28, 1977, Bhuvaneśvara

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KALI CHELAS

Hmmm.....this is the old debate:

There is this "new age" idea that is so pervalent even in devotee circles:

1. "If someone hits you on your right cheek, you shoud turn the right cheek"

2. " if there are troubles there are due to my past bad karma and my lack of KC"

Although forgiveness should be given, that does not mean we should turn a blind eye on injustices im the name of forgiveness.

If somebody forgives an offender that is very noble,but that does not mean we shoud keep quiet, be inactive and let the ofender abuse the next victim.

Many times we are in trouble because of our bad karma, but sometimes we are in trouble just because we refuse to "go with the herd" and keep quiet.

You don't believe me?

Lord Jesus Christ was sinless, yet he was killed on a cross. Prahlada maharaja was harassed so much my his own father Hiranyakasipu. Srila Prabhupada struggled so much all alone with NO help from his Godbrothers. So why did they not help him?? Was it due to SP's bad karma or to something else?

After all, his going to the West was a desire of their spiritual master BSST. And Lord Ramachandra met so much trouble yet He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself,so he is clearly without sin.

So many people go through so much trouble because of their previous karma amd others go through it by the will of Providence, yet God is supremely just.

 All the intricacies of karma are very difficult to ascertain - esspecially for a common man. It is a fact that there are still some honest people and there are also a lot of dishonest people.

It is also a fact that nobody is without fault except God and the residents of the spiritual world, but that does not mean that a person who steals a piece of bread is on the same level as criminals who are prepared to kill to get more money, although they already have enough.

And now the final BS: " whatever fault one finds in others, is in him: one sees in others what is within him." Hmm. Pardon me, but that is pure mayavada diguised as false sainthood. If this is in fact and whatever fault I see in others is actually in me, then other people are just mirrors to me and therefore mere objects, not persons and as such not capable of their of actions and devoid of character and their personality. This is the very definition of mayavada.

The other extreme is to blame an honest person for your own faults,because you see your own faults in another person. This is called a shadow projection in psychology and is a real thing that happens on a daily basis, but that does not mean there are no wrongs and that everyone who dares to acuse another is a faultfinder or somehow (how??) less spiritually advanced than others.

But let's see what SP says about this:

"Of course, if somebody calls a thief a thief, he is NOT a fault-finder. 

But if one calles  an honest man a thief, that is a great offence."

(BG ch 16,purport)

This is very clear: even if one is not a faultless saint without a sin, he can call a thief a thief. That is honesty and a fact. But he must be very careful not to acuse an honest man. This are SP words not mine.

Here there is more:

" there are many devotees that asume themselves to be devotees, but in their hearts they have NOT accepted Krisna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. For them  the fruit of DS - going home to Godhead - will never be tasted." (BG ch 9)

Acaryas are even more direct concerning them and name such fake devotees that chant, wear dhotis and neck beeds and tilak: the acaryas name them kali - chelas.

There are put among the devotees by Kali to wreak havoc between devotees.

Again, this are the words of Srila Prabhupada and the acaryas, not mine.

And if one thinks that there are no demons among devotees, think again.

If one thinks that molesting, raping and abusing children is a "momentary weakness due to lust" think again: people who are "normal" and are conquered by lust, resort to prostitutes, not to child molestation.

So clearly those who did those things to children are obviously demons in the ruse of devotees - kali - chelas -  "servants of Kali" as the acaryas have named them.

Of course there is the famous verse "api sa duracara".

This is warning that sometimes even an honest devotee does abominable things, like i.e. a homosexual succumbs to his carnal desires, and we should not condemn such a person - IF he is an honest devotee.

That is verse "api sa duracara".

But if someone thinks that he is a saint because he learned about child molestation and abuse and chose to "turn away" in the name of "api sa duracara" - especially if he was in a position to do something about it,thus enabling the abuse to go on for decades - such a person is clearly delusional and can not be helped.

Sorry to break it to some of you, but the way to sainthood is not that cheap.

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APPLYING ANGER

If devotees express their anger on social media about child abuse or being victims of abuse in ISKCON, it’s condescending to tell them not to air their views for all to see.

This is legitimate anger. It’s right for devotees to get angry when fellow devotees and children are abused. It’s a normal human response. By telling these angry devotees to curb their anger, to refer to appropriate authorities and to behave like sdhus is an insult to them. How is it that not many more devotees are angry like them? This is part of the problem. Too many of us stay quiet. That’s why inaction is prevalent. Such inaction cause devotees to turn to social media. Who can blame them? I don’t.

Whether their anger is aimed at gurus, sannyasis or the GBC for their inaction or ignorance, leaders have to bear responsibility. If leaders wish to present themselves as having a cool head and to marginalise those angry devotees, is this normal human behaviour? To compare angry devotees to lynch mobs or vigilantes is unfair and passing the buck on to them. Typical institutional responses such as these are the hallmark of all faiths and groups trying to minimise fallout.
The angry voices are also in response to correct channels of grievance being overwhelmed or ineffectual. These angry voices aren’t anti-ISKCON as some will tell you. As usual, expect more of the same when the response of authorities is delayed, ignored, mishandled or hushed.

Ys KK Dasa.

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"So this initiation process is ācāryopāsanam,"

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Ācāryopāsanam: "You have to worship ācārya."
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"That is the first thing, ācāryopāsanam. But these rascals, they do not do that."
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"Unless one comes to the ācārya disciplic succession, whatever nonsense he speaks, it is all useless. This is the most important thing, ācāryopāsanam."
Morning Walk
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March 30, 1974, Bombay
"We are not so learned as you are, but we follow the ācārya. And it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, ācāryopāsanam."
Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Madhya-līlā 8.128
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Bhuvaneśvara, January 24, 1977
"So there is no other alternative than to follow this principle, follow this principle, to follow the opinion of ācārya. Ācāryopāsanam. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, "If if you want to make progress in knowledge, then you have to follow." Ācāryopāsanam: "You have to worship ācārya." Ācāryopāsanam."
/classes/cc/adi/3/87-88/new_york/december/27/1966
"Ācārya is the representative of God. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo **. If you offer prayers, honor to the ācārya, then Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is pleased. To please Him you have to please His representative. "If you love me, love my dog." And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said ācāryopāsanam. Ācāryopāsanam. We have to worship the ācārya."
Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā Lecture
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Hyderabad, August 19, 1976
"Kṛṣṇa says ācāryopāsanam. We have to understand things through the ācāryas. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. One who is not following the footsteps of the ācāryas, he cannot understand anything."
Pandal Lecture
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Bombay, March 31, 1971
"Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is recommended, ācāryopāsanam. If you want real knowledge, then you must take knowledge from the ācāryas or the ācārya-paramparā. Then there is knowledge. Otherwise it is ignorance."
Lecture with Translator
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Sanand, December 25, 1975
"Yes. As soon as you give up the ācārya-paramparā system, then it is lost."
Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland,
Professor of Modern Indian History
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May 20, 1975, Melbourne
"Therefore one must approach a guru to learn everything rightly. This is Vedic injunction. Tat tvaṁ puruṣam eva, ācāryopāsanam. Read Bhagavad-gītā. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Ācāryopāsanam. This process of knowledge is to worship ācārya. Who's got ācārya, he knows. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda."
Morning Walk
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May 27, 1976, Honolulu
"Ācāryopāsanam, accepting spiritual master, this is also one of the items, twenty items, for advancing in knowledge. So this initiation process is ācāryopāsanam, beginning of worshiping the spiritual master. "
Initiation Lecture
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London, August 22, 1971

Women Gurus (Madhudvisa dasa) / ISKCON's Satsvarupa on May 28th 1977

 Women Gurus…

At its annual meetings, ISKCON’s Governing Body Commission (GBC) discussed a core issue, the qualifications of guru. In a quiet, but radical move it was accepted that women could be gurus in ISKCON.

In the Vaisnava tradition, to which ISKCON belongs, the guru is a vital part of the spiritual life of the devotee. In ISKCON’s history, a number of gurus have deviated from the high standards expected of them and this has caused much grief amongst their disciples and in the Society at large. Therefore it is not surprising that it is an issue that the GBC returns to often.

In what many will regard as a radical step, the GBC gave formal assent to women taking on the role of initiating guru.

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Dear Madhudvisa dasa I know that you are quite busy and I do not want to bother you. I also myself work 6-days a week and do not have much time eather, But please if you could answer this question I would be very greatfull. How can the GBC appoint women gurus? Your servant Steve.

Dear Steve

Hare Krishna! please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

ISKCON’s guru system simply does not work. They have appointed so many gurus who have practically all turned out to be bogus. This has destroyed the lives of so many devotees searching after spiritual life who have been coerced to accept unqualified men as paramahamsas, pure devotees. These devotees have been convinced to take initiation from “ISKCON gurus”, to surrender to them and to serve them. 

We have seen it over and over again, these unqualified gurus — while completely unable to deliver the real seed of devotion to their disciples — are very expert at taking service from their disciples. These “ISKCON gurus” accept service on the premise that they are pure devotees, liberated souls capable of delivering their disciples from the blazing fire of this material world (samsara davanala lidha loka…). 

But they are unable to pour the waters of mercy on their disciples like the rain which extinguishes the forest fire. They are simply incapable of performing the task the guru has to perform. That is to plant the seed of devotion, the bhakti-lata bija, within the hearts of their disciples, and then to cultivate that tiny sprouting creeper of devotion until it becomes a fully-grown healthy plant producing flowers, fruits and seeds.

So the current guru system in ISKCON has failed and the GBC more or less accept it has failed, they are always looking for some way to “fix” their guru sustem but refuse to accept the only sollution — take shelter of Srila Prabhupada. So this recent GBC resolution stating ISKCON will now introduce women gurus is meaningless noise. They do not have any guru-tattva, they do not have any qualified gurus, they have no idea about guru at all. So we can take it as the mutterings of crazy men. We can not take ISKCON very seriously on anything unfortunately.

The reality is a real Vaisnava guru is very rare, and he is self-effulgent like the Sun. As it is not difficult to spot the Sun in the sky — the Sun is self-effulgent — everyone can see the Sun immediately. Similarly a real Vaisnava guru is self-effulgent like the Sun. No one has to point him out, he does not require “authorization” from the GBC. Actually if a “guru” feels he needs to work under the authority of the GBC then we can understand immediately he is bogus. A real spiritual master does not work under any such eclestical body. He has his relationship with his guru and he works under the authority of his guru. He has to have the freedom to instruct his disciples as he sees fit. He can not work in a system where he does not have the ultimate authority over his disciples. 

The disciple has to surrender to his spiritual master and follow his instructions as his life and soul, and the spiritual master has to be a pure devotee, a paramahamsa and he has to have full authority over his disciples and must be able to instruct them as their absolute authority. That is the system from the beginning of time and it will never change. 

ISKCON’s GBC have styled themselves as the “guru police.” They have taken it as their business to approve and suspend “gurus” as they so choose and according to their politics of the day. No real guru would put himself under the authority of such a political body. He can not put himself in a position where he may be prevented from giving good instruction to his disciples. This may well happen in ISKCON if a guru’s instruction to his disciples was not in line with some of the politics of the GBC. In such a case the GBC could take away the “gurus” “badge” and take his disciples away.

No bona fide guru could work in such a situation.

So you can know it for absolutely sure that there are no qualified gurus in ISKCON.

This idea of ISKCON appointing women gurus is simply a joke. They have never succeeded in appointing even one bona fide guru, and they never will, because gurus are not appointed… No disciple in ISKCON has been properly initiated since 1977 and as we can very plainly see the whole organization has collapsed into a dysfunctional mess. Now they are adding women “gurus”…

The underlying idea is that the GBC think they can “make” gurus by taking some women and giving her a “guru badge.” But surely they have seen this does not work with all the “guru badges” they have issued to men over many years. A guru is not appointed by the GBC. A Vaisnava guru is self-effulgent…

So the GBC can not make gurus. All they can do is wait for self-effulgent gurus to appear — and of course they will not accept him — because he will not agree to be under the authority of the GBC… A real guru is very rare. And we are very fortunate to have the “gold standard” with Srila Prabhupada and we have so much access to Srila Prabhupada through his books and his vani (instructions) in the form of audio and video recordings. So we can take advantage of the association and instructions of Srila Prabhupada and serve him.

If a self effulgent guru appears that is nice. And really it does not matter, man or women, we are not the body. However, a spirit soul in the body of a women should act in such a way that other spirit souls in women’s bodies, if they follow her example, will advance spiritually. So the good qualities for a women are chastity, submission to her husband, shyness, etc. So a Vaisnava lady will not push herself forward to become a guru as we understand it. Such a thing is unheard of in the entire tradition of Gaudia Vaisnavism. There is no example of this in the past.

“As a man must follow great personalities like Brahma and Narada, a woman must follow the path of such ideal women as Sita, Mandodari and Draupadi. By staying chaste and faithful to her husband, a woman enriches herself with supernatural power.”

So it is not at all appropriate for a women to push herself forward and try to lord it over the sannyasis and brahmacaris for example. It would turn the whole social system upside down and simply create a great disturbance. Rather a pure devotee in a women’s body will act as a guru but in the role of a women. One can read the “Teachings of Queen Kunti” to see the great prayers of a great Vaisnava in the body of a women.

So overall, don’t take any notice of the crazy mutterings emanating from ISKCON, rather take shelter of Srila Prabhupada by reading his books and all the real knowledge will be revealed to you.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Your servant

Madhudvisa dasa

61 Responses to ISKCON GBC approves Women Gurus…

Areya says: Urmila mata would make a good guru and I would, in another time, take instruction from her. Male gurus should not have female disciples and women require different counseling. Just plain commonsense. Hare Krishna.

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Madhudvisa dasa says: You don’t understand what guru is. I suggest you read Srila Prabhupada’s books and find out.

arikith roy chowdhury says:

Hare Krishna Prabhu

PAMHO

All glories to srila prabhupada. If we say all ISKCON gurus are bogus then aren’t we questioning prabhupada’s ability to make pure devotees? As only a pure devotee can become a bonafide guru. I have no intention to offend you. I am just asking. Ys Arikith Roy Chowdhury

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Madhudvisa dasa says:

You misunderstand. No one can become a pure devotee without a pure devotee as his spiritual master. Srila Prabhupada is the topmost qualified pure devotee of Krishna. But even Srila Prabhupada, even Krishna Himself, can not “make” pure devotees. You do not understand what a pure devotee is. Devotee is surrender to Krishna, and this is possible only by surrendering to Krishna’s pure devotee. So surrender is something only the devotee can do. It is not something that Krishna or the spiritual master can “make” the devotee do.

So Prabhupada is giving us all the absolute truth and begging us to surrender to Krishna, but we refuse to surrender to Krishna. That is our disease, that is the disease of the material world. So the reality is almost no one surrenders. That is why, sa mahatma sudurlabha, “Such a great soul is very, very rare.”

So actually it is very, very rare to find a pure devotee, a bonafide guru, but ISKCON has made it very common. So ISKCON are cheating. They are presenting conditioned souls as gurus, but a conditioned soul can not be a spiritual master.

So the ISKCON guru system is totally corrupted, totally bogus, and you will never find a bona fide spiritual master in today’s ISCKCON. If somehow there was a bona fide spiritual master in ISKCON they would drive him out very quickly.

So there is no question of anyone, including Krishna, “making” someone a pure devotee. Krishna is presenting the knowledge in Bhagavad-gita, “Surrender to Me.” And Prabhupada is begging us, “Surrender to Krishna,” but we refuse to surrender.

So it is in our hands. We can choose to surrender to Srila Prabhupada and surrender to Krishna, but we don’t want to do that. That is our disease, that is ISKCON’s disease, that is the disease of everyone in the material world.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Vishvesh Oswal says:

Hare Krishna Madhudvisa prabhu ,

By Your Grace finally i’m going to start cooking and offer to Srila Prabhupada . My parents agreed to construct small Kitchen (2nd kitchen) in my own bedroom, so I can cook without interfering in between them. So i want to ask one question, Should I storage all the raw material (rice, flour, pulses, spices etc) in separate container ??? or Can i just get whatever needed to cook from our main Kitchen stock containers ??? And getting new utensils for prasadam as they cooking using onion and garlic , just have doubt regarding raw material usage . HARIBOL !!!!!!!!!

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Hare Krishna Vishvesh Prabhu. Very good news Prabhu. You don’t need separate stocks of the raw materials. 

Rupa Raghunath Swami says:

From the moment that a woman WANTS to be Guru, she cannot be; a truly high mataji would never accept to be Guru. 

>> (S.B. – 6-18-33 and 34) – PATI-GURU -.

For the woman, the supreme demigod, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the husband, Lord Vāsudeva, the husband of the goddess of fortune. “Pati-guru”, that is, spiritual master-husband. The husband represents the Lord as an object of worship for the woman.

Dr Sunayana Ghodgaonkar says:

You mean to say Radha Rani is inferior to Krishna. My obeisances. Their is nothing inferior superior. It’s only outer dressing.

Tukaram das says:

So… we are not this body… but a woman is her body? I do not think you can have it both ways.

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Of course, we are not the bodies. So on the spiritual platform there is no difference between a man and a women. But in reality, of course, in the material world, it is very rare to find anyone who is not on the material platform. Although we are not the body, still the bodies are different, and different bodies have different abilities and strengths and weaknesses. 

An ant is also not the body, an ant is not different from you or me spiritually. But clearly the body of the ant causes him to interact with the material world in a different way and gives him a different set of abilities to a spirit soul in a human body. Similarly a man’s body is different form a woman’s body. Both types of bodies provide a different set of abilities. So the Vedic system is based on the principle of engaging everyone in service according to their abilities and qualities.

So a woman is not her body, but because she is in a woman’s body at the moment that body provides her with a certain set of abilities that mean she will be very successful in certain activities, whereas other activities, she will find quite difficult compared to if she was in a man’s body.

So the point is not that the spirt soul in a woman’s body is different from the spirit soul in a man’s body, she is a different individual living entity of course, but the quality is the same. The same spirit soul who is in a woman’s body now can take a man’s body in her next life. So the soul is not male or female in the way we see material bodies as male and female. However, as the spirit soul in an ant’s body has a certain set of abilities, because of the facilities the ant’s body provides him to interact with the material word, so also a spirit soul in a man’s body has a certain set of abilities and a spirit soul in a woman’s body has a different set of abilities.

So for society to function in the proper way these different abilities of a man’s body and a woman’s body have to be recognized. Not that there is any difference at all on the spiritual platform. But the reality is hardly anyone is on the spiritual platform, so we have to live in the material world in such a way that gradually the whole society will become spiritually elevated, and to achieve this, it is essential to recognize there are different types of people with different abilities and strengths, not just man and woman, but also brahmana, ksatrya, vaisha and sudra. For society to function properly the abilities of everyone have to be acknowledged and everyone needs to be engaged according to their abilities. Not that everyone is the same. This is called Varnasrama-dharma, you can study it to understand it more.

Aman says:

Hare Krishna!

Dandavat Pranam to all the devotees

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Unfortunately, ISKCON is finished now as said by Madhudvisa Prabhu in his articles and comments. I have always believed Madhudvisa Prabhu and in last three days I have seen it practically as I had to go to one ISKCON centre to do japa. The so-called devotees there can be seen talking on mobile phones much more than chanting Hare Krishna. 

Most of them mostly only show that they are doing japa. In the temple, many people come to sing sahajiya songs and those sung in Bhagavata-saptaha in India. The so-called devotees are absolutely body conscious. There is no prasadam in the temple as it is not being offered to Srila Prabhupada first. 

Only reason I went there to japa is the place is peaceful enough to do japa and there are Deities of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna and one can offer obeisances unto Them and have the darshan of Their Lordships. So it is useless even to talk about current ISKCON now. I’m posting this just to warn everyone who reads it to stay away from ISKCON. Please increase your attachment with Srila Prabhupada by reading his books.

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Yes. But there’s not much point talking about how ISKCON has failed. We have to try instead to do some practical thing to help the people get Prabhupada’s books, hear the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra from the lips of pure devotees and get the chance to relish real Krsna Prasadam, etc…

Aman says:

Hare Krishna Prabhu

Yes Prabhu! This is what is my aim in life now. To become a pure devotee of Lord Krishna by distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books, letting everyone hear the chanting of Hare Krishna mantra and distribute real Krishna prasadam.

Mark Goodwin says:

This article was published in the second half of January. Did the GBC actually make this decision at that time, i.e., is it a DONE DEAL? Or was it a proposal? Did it not wait until now (the third week of March) at the Mayapur Annual Meeting in order to formalize such a proposal (or decision)? Kindly provide, as soon as practical, an update as to whether or not the GBC has now, at its Annual Meeting, given its imprimatur for female members of the institution it controls to wait in queue in order to receive the Certificate of No Objection? Is it cent-per-cent a fact that women can now become regular gurus in the institution, i.e., that they can become diksha-gurus previous to reaching uttama-adhikari?

Madhudvisa dasa says:

This is actually an old article. A few years old. There is a feminist faction in ISKCON always pushing for women gurus, women sannyasis, etc, etc… I do not follow what ISKCON is doing. So I have no idea how far down the path they have gone with this yet…

Karan gayadeen says:

Hare krsna if the sucession is contaminated then devotees will become inhuman and demonic there are no system to deal with concerns .

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Succession is not contaminated. Srila Prabhupada is living in his original books. Get them from:

https://krishnastore.com/books-srila-prabhupada-om-21_38.html

Totally 100% pure and uncontaminated Prabhupada. Stay away from contaminated ISKCON, take shelter of Srila Prabhupada in his pure original books. Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Ravinder Verma says:

Hare Krsna Prabhu!

It is good to know that someone like you is still carrying out Srila Prabhupada’s original work. How can I associate with you? I mean personally. Do you visit India? If so, let me know any such plans. I would be very delighted.

Reply

Madhudvisa dasa says:

You can not associate with me personally, that is not my purpose. My purpose is to convince you that Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee of Krishna and that Srila Prabhupada is still living in his transcendental books and that you please get all of Srila Prabhupada’s original books from:

https://krishnastore.com

AND READ THEM AND follow the personal instructions Srila Prabhupada gives you as you read his books. Chant Hare Krishna and be happy

Edward Jackson says:

Which women are recognized as Gurus?

Madhudvisa dasa says:

So far none as far as I know. You would have to ask ISKCON this for a definitive answer, not me, I am not part of ISKCON.

Vinaik says:

Hare Krishna Prabhu though last part of your write-up regarding woman gurus is quite understandable.But their is self contradicting substance regarding working of GBC. At one part you are saying shelter of Prabhupad is priority. On the other hand you are mentioning complete freedom of Guru in his teachings as he wills. The GBC is presiding over the GURU system just to make shore that priority of Prabhpada teachings is maintained and the GURU in Iskcon is abiding in maintaining this primary function.If GURU is having total independence regarding his preaching then whole purpose of maintaining Prabhupda as founder acharya and siksha GURU of all will be defeated.

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Hare Krishna Vinaik

Prabhupada is the guru of ISKCON. So there is no room in ISKCON for other gurus. If someone is actually qualified guru then let him start his own preaching mission. That is the way since time immemorial. Guru has his own preaching mission. Guru is supposed to be a pure devotee of Krishna, supposed to be non-different from Krishna, supposed to be a transparent via-medium to Krishna, so if someone is actually a qualified guru then he is to be worshiped on the same level as Krishna. He can not be limited or regulated by the GBC who are admittedly a committee of conditioned souls.

So this whole ISKCON system, GBC, gurus, etc, has degenerated into something quite different from the Krishna consciousness taught to us by Srila Prabhupada. Today’s ISKCON is totally bogus, the ‘gurus’ who submit themselves to this system are completely unqualified and even if they are qualified they would be unable to guide and deliver their disciples because the GBC would interfere with that.

So yes, by definition, bona fide guru is non-different from Krishna, transparent via-medium to Krishna, and not subject to rules and regulations imposed by any GBC or other group. Bona fide guru is connected to Krishna and he forms his disciples connection to Krishna. That’s it. There’s no room for any GBC or any other body to interfere with that.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

Filip says:

Hare Krishna prabhu. Am i wrong doing by serving in ISKCON farm to be able to follow sadhana set by Srila Prabhupad? I was out searching for community who know about the cheating of his disciples, but i failed and stopped following Srila Prabhupada consequently. Isn’t it better here?

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Yes, you have to stay in the place where you can follow the regulative principles and chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra and READ PPRABHUPADA’S books. If you know what Prabhupada is teaching us then you can test what devotees say and know if they are saying the correct things or not.

Sydney Hoffman says:

Hare Krsna! Is the Hare Krsna mahamantra effective only when you do find an initiating bona fide guru or not? Or even the female gurus? Prabhupada is our teacher, by reading his books. I didn’t think there were any bona-fide gurus that Prabhupada approved prior to his disappearance. Thank you! Haribol!

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Yes. Any mantra has to be received from a bona fide spiritual master for it to be effective. Srila Prabhupada is a bona fide spiritual master, so receive the Hare Krishna mantra from him. You can not get the Hare Krishna mantra from someone who is not a pure devotee of Krishna because he does not have the Hare Krishna mantra himself. He can not give what he does not have.

Krishna says:

Also one more thing…

Can you please tell me where can I find the original books written by prabhupada…. As I am in desperate need of it…. I have pdfs but I need to buy them since I can’t carry PDF everywhere and I like to read sleep with the Bhagavad Gita and that’s the only original hard copy that I have. Please help me. You are the only sane person I have found online for Krishna consciousness. And also I only use iskcon for Arati and to buy puja stuff otherwise I stay away. Like u said. Thankyou for letting us know that there are still some genuine devotees of lord Krishna out there.

Radhe Krishna.

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Hare Krishna Shaily. You can get Srila Prabhupada’s original books at:

https://krishnastore.com/books-srila-prabhupada-om-21_38.html

Krishna says:

@madhudvisa das,

Radhe Krishna,

Might I tell you and please don’t take it as an offence but neither do you have the opportunity to decide whether a woman can become a guru or not, not the iskcon.

Since as far as I remember prabhupada was appointed as the guru by lord Krishna so only Krishna has the authority to decide who will become a guru…. Mirabai might haven’t become a guru but she was certainly by people who knew her and we’re in contact with her.

Please don’t say unnecessary things here. I completely agree with your statement about GBC however I don’t agree with you on the fact that women can become gurus or not…. Since we are not the body and also gurumaa gargi was one of the famous gurus in a female body. Guru can only be a realized soul given the authority by lord Krishna himself. Therefore you and I have no business in deciding whether one can become a guru or not since like you said “we are not the body”.

Also I don’t know much about gadadhar dad swami of iskcon….. Is he following still prabhupada or chanakya Pandit? He is very male body friendly and also I understand that he is scared of women but nobody has given him the right to exploit women through humour by saying wrong things about them. He is generalizing women and that is against prabhpadas teachings. I hope you being in contact with iskcon or as ex member. I don’t know you well can say something about this to him. I think he thinks about women too much.

Has a woman ever broken his heart that bad that he is so much against women. Not all women are same and that is written in the Vedas too…. There are different types of women.

Besides no disrespect to chanakya Pandit but he was only a pandit or a vipra… I don’t think he was as great our guru srila prabhupada

Madhudvisa dasa says:

Hare Krishna!

Yes. Guru is guru. And if guru appears in woman’s body then she is guru. Vaisnava guru is identified by his symptoms. He is able to spread Krishna consciousness and make disciples all over the world. When an actual Vaisnava guru is preaching he is very obvious. It is like the sun rising in the sky. It dispels the darkness everywhere. So guru is guru. You can not make rules and regulations about it.

So the problem here is not that GBC wants to make women gurus, the point is GBC has no power to ‘make’ or ‘appoint’ gurus. Real guru is very rare and he appears by Krishna’s mercy and it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the GBC. So it does not matter what they say or do in regard to guru. They have no power in this area. The power is with Krishna and the pure devotees of Krishna.

Neelkanth says:

Hare Krishna Dandvat Pranaam to all !!

I met devotees who have accepted Srila Prabhupad as Guru and are taking Ritvik Initiation as per Srila Prabhupad’s July 9th 1977 letter …knows as Prabhupadanugas and Iam also observing disciples of current ISKCON guru’s. I found few from Prabhupadanugas also having politics,devotee co-operation not as per Srila Prabhupad’s instructions. At the same time, devotee co-operation in ISKCON may be better than Prabhupadanugas, also preaching reached to more number of youth and families compared to Prabhupadanugas. Can somebody guide with whom i should associate because we need devotee association….Iam struggling since last 7 years. Also my son , he needs Gurukula education as per Srila Prabhupad’s instruction to save him from the bad association and slaughterhouse education/culture from Karmi schools.

nyasi refused to teach anything & then this unknown person opened the scam .

Deepesh says:

I dont know which HELL they are going to suffer after they depart from this world… if i would have been there in Yamaraja’s place i would have given them some low animals body for a million years to suffer, for what they all have been doing… they have NO shame at all.. treating GURU (Srila Prabhupada) as an ordinary person.. no one ever can take his positions and what all plans they are making.. all Useless people… Simply take shelter of Srila Prabhupada & Krishna and Be Happy..

Jai Srila Prabhupada..

ravinder says:

January 3, 2010 at 4:34 pm

what is nonsense going in the minds of these devotees,how can they think like that? These all r cheap ways to enjoy a woman.These fallen gurus r cheating to people and pushing them and even many devotees lives to hell.But this is not going to work.They will we cursed by Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.

ONLY SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE REAL GURU !!!

THAT’S IT! THAT’S IT! THAT’S IT!

JAI SRILA PRABHUPADA!

RRDD says:

I am spiting on every step that Rohini Suta and Harikes Svamy stepped on Slavian Countries. Two of them have been performing third reich tactic activity while they have been visiting Slavian Countries with the years.

Madhudvisa dasa 

My first contact with a Hare Krishna was a most merciful Mataji in Oxford Street, London who sold me a "Higher Taste" cook book in 1984 while I was on holidays there. I started seriously reading Srila Prabhupada's books in Australia 1985 and by 1986 Srila Prabhupada had convinced me "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead" and "we should surrender to Krishna." I joined the Hare Krishnas in Perth, Western Australia in 1986. Since then I have been chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, reading and distributing Srila Prabhupada's books and preaching as much as I can. That's my life and full-time occupation now really. I like it more than anything I've ever experienced before. Srila Prabhupada's books are so amazing... Even after reading them all many times they're still fresh and new. They are truly transcendental! That's it really. Now I'm just hankering to once again see the world chant Hare Krishna, dance and feast and float away in the ecstasy of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtana movement as it did in Srila Prabhupada's physical presence. Let the whole world drown in the ecstatic flood of love of Krishna!

It Has Always Been Clear to Me that Prabhuapda’s Books Should Never be Changed… →

No One–Not Even Darwin–Can Be Independent [Prabhupada Speaks Out] →

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SATSVARUPA ON MAY 28th 1977

HENRY DOKTORSKI: 

May 28, 1977: On this date in history 46 years ago, senior disciples meet with Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to discuss how initiations of new disciples are to be conducted in the future.

ON THE DAY FOLLOWING Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s warning that men will pose as guru and attempt to take over ISKCON, eighteen leading disciples met with their spiritual master in his personal quarters at Krishna Balarama Mandir in Vrindaban, especially to inquire about the process for initiating new disciples in the future. Satsvarupa dasa Goswami (Stephen Guarino)—the GBC representative for Miami, Gainesville, Houston, Dallas, St. Louis, Denver and Berkeley, and editor-in-chief of Back to Godhead magazine—was chosen as spokesman. Tamal Krishna Goswami, Prabhupada’s secretary at the time, also spoke up frequently during the conversation.

A GBC sub committee had selected five questions to ask Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada: (1) How long should GBC members remain in office? (2) How can GBC members who leave be replaced? (3) In the absence of Srila Prabhupada what is the procedure for first, second and sannyasa initiations? (4) What is the relationship of the person who gives this initiation to the person he gives it to? (5) Is there any provision for publication of other translations of Vaishnava scriptures by the BBT after the disappearance of Srila Prabhupada?

Unfortunately, Satsvarupa was not able to clearly articulate the third and fourth questions which the GBC sub committee had commissioned him to ask. Later, he confessed that he felt “shy and uneasy” and “foolish and awkward” during this important conversation with his spiritual master. Consequently, Satsvarupa’s questions were difficult to understand. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s answers, therefore, were also not easy to understand, and since then, scholars and pundits have espoused very different and diametrically opposed interpretations of this important conversation.

The important portion of the May 28, 1977 conversation with Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, which concerned initiations at present and after Prabhupada’s departure in the future, was more or less botched by the two sannyasis who asked the questions. Although it is very muddled by Satsvarupa and Tamal Krishna, some claim it still can be conceptually understood.

Satsvarupa asked how initiations should be conducted in the future, particularly after Prabhupada’s passing. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s immediate answer is simple and straightforward: He would recommend some of his disciples to act as ritvik acharyas (deputy priests). None of the GBC members at the meeting, however, could imagine such a radical interpretation: that their spiritual master intended after his passing that the disciplic succession would be continued by ritvik representation.

An order to continue the parampara by ritvik representation would have been unprecedented in the history of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. To their knowledge, this had never been done before. No one had heard of a disciple accepting diksa from a departed spiritual master. They thought that a disciple could only accept diksa from a living guru. Therefore, the leading GBC secretaries assumed that the system of ritvik initiations would be a temporary measure; after Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada passed away, the ritvik priests would automatically become authorized diksa gurus and begin initiating their own disciples. They had heard their master say many times: “All my disciples should become gurus.
(Gold, Guns and God, Vol. 3, p. 203, Eleven Naked Emperors, p 30)

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Eric Johanson / Bhakti Bandhav Updates 05 28

Eric Johanson: Pranams Puranjana prabhu. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! 

So the way you conduct your blog is perhaps the best proof of the need for a physically manifest spiritual master. No doubt you have heard that slandering people (much less devotees) in the way you regularly do is sinful activity. Srila Prabhupada uses the phase, "calling ill names." Still you do it. Basically you just can't control your senses. There is some allowance to tell the truth about pretending dhamadhvaji "gurus," but you don't stop at them. Your ongoing refusal to be control yourself is incorrigible. The only thing that would get you to stop being sinful in this way is if Srila Prabhupada personally came and told you to stop. As such you are the one who says devotees don't need a guru and who can be accused of mayavada.

No doubt you will respond to this in your same patented nasty, below-the-belt way, something which one finds all too common in non-devotee internet "flame wars." It is, after all, Kali yuga, the age of quarrel. So good to know that you are one of the most prominent devotee representatives in that competition. As such, the people who are attracted by your sinful style can only be tried and true denizens of this age. 

It is also surprising that, after all these years, you haven't learned one of the most basic tenets of muckraking journalism - a muckraker looks good when they "punch-up" but not when they "punch-down." Maybe you already know this, but take such delight in bullying less influential devotees that you can't stop. Anyway, who am I? I don't even have an "initiated" name. You start looking like you have psychological issues when you go after nothings like myself with such regular vitriol and vehemence.

Anyway, I still like you, but you need to hear this stuff. You do a lot of good exposing the pretenders, which is probably why Lord Krishna has largely given you a pass on all the other "ill names." Your hard work with your websites has garnered you a lot of influence, just like previously with Rocana dasa. To a certain extent you also think this gives you the right to play God there. However, you're not invincible - power brings with it increased responsibility. your servant, bhakta Eric

PADA: Thanks prabhu. First of all, you are giving me a lot of innuendo and inference that my info is not correct. Is that why I am always being interviewed by many mass media folks -- like Monkey on a Stick, CBS TV, New York Times, Rolling Stone Magazine, Investigative Discovery channel, "Killing for Krishna" books etc., and I will be on TV in the fall. And I have been a consultant for the West Virginia Sherifs, Berkeley PD, LAPD, the Feds, the 1986 molesting lawsuit, 1997 molesting lawsuit, the poison case, and I helped the Bangalore case etc. Because my info is wrong? Fine, what info is correct then and where do we find it? 

Or do these many people trust and use my version, because they know, for the most part, it is not being contested? Neither you have given me one example of what I said that is not accurate, which gives me no chance to correct it. If something I said is provably wrong, then I could address that, but innuendo is just an insult with no real substance. 

I have made many corrections to certain articles and statements over the years, because I am not the Supreme Supersoul who knows everything, but I do my best, and that is why the police, feds, media, courts, and many devotees trust my version overall. If you wanted to contest a particular statement then I could try to examine that, and make corrections if they are needed. What you are doing is just personal attack, ad hominem and insult and not making any actual point of any facts or substance. "You are wrong" is not helpful one iota.

Meanwhile, let us examine where we are right:

* Kailasa says our people who are worshiping Krishna and Srila Prabhupada are bogus, cheaters, apa-siddhanta etc. Which is what Tamal says. Why is he always picking on the little guys who are doing what Srila Prabhupada ordered? Anyone who adopts the process given by the acharya is apa-siddhanta, that is -- what the GBC bullies say. He is just another one of their bullies, or what? Why does he despise having anyone worship Krishna and His pure devotee? Even some of our people said, "he hates us." Why does Kailasa hate the Hare Krishna process and its followers?

* Kailasa burnt out Jadurani, and he treated her like a misogynist military drill instructor, as I saw myself. He is another GBC style misogynist and not someone who should be listened to.

* Kailasa said his astrology chart reading proves we all have to move to the midwest because California is going to fall into the ocean. But Srila Prabhupada said it is NOT going to fall into the ocean. He is another cheater astrologer, like many others who hang out around ISKCON fringes to exploit the Vaishnavas. Moreover he is trying to prove that the acharya is wrong.

* Kailasa said there is no need to have any more initiated poojaris, but Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 here in Berkeley just to do the pooja in Berkeley. Is Kailasa the boss of Srila Prabhupada, and Krishna?

* And the result of Kailasa saying we no longer need trained brahmana people to do the pooja is -- they had lots of poojaris who are deviants and / or hired Bengalis who are not always very strict, some of them are molesters, and the one of them we had here went to work for the meat restaurant as soon as he got a green card. Why does Kailasa want Krishna to have no servants, or dubious ones?

* Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 trained initiated poojaris, Kailasa says we need zero, who is right and who is wrong? As soon as we say the person who is correct is Srila Prabhupada, Kailasa says the whole idea of having 50 poojaris here is bogus, cheating and apa-siddhanta. And if we look at history, the same identical things happened in Krishna leela. Krishna was going to be worshiped, and Sisupala immediately was infuriated, and he wanted to have the pooja stopped. This is not even a new thing.

Then Kailasa works hand in hand -- writing his bogus ideas that Sisupala is our acharya, for Rocana, who still wants gurus to be voted in, although he wants stricter enforcement of their deviations. So Kailasa is writing for the guy who thinks he is the boss and enforcer of their deviant acharyas program. Acharyas need more strict enforcement of the rules for acharyas, by Kailasa and Rocana? Why is he working with these people, at all?

* One large set of deities ended up in Hansadutta's shed with his dirty laundry and vodka bottles etc. What is the result of the Kailasa idea of having no one to serve the deity? It is the same idea as Hansadutta's.

* You said you heard me and Sulochana are not strict fringies, yea, you were hearing from Kailasa and his GBC buddies who all said that, which is why Sulochana said -- calling us fringies is making us targets, to be killed. And he was.

* The reason Trivrikrama swami, Ravindra swarupa and Kirtanananda type people etc. have been distributing Kailasa's papers at the GBC meetings and to their followers is because -- Kailasa says that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada's divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) is being cheated and is apa-siddhanta. He says that all the time. He wrote many articles for Rocana saying that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada divyam jnanam process (diksha) is being cheated, and that is how come the GBC loves him.

Sorry, the reason the GBC people are circulating Kailasa's writings is -- he says what they say -- anyone who worships pure pure devotees and accepts their divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) process -- is being cheated and that is also called atheism. He says our people are apa-siddhanta all the time, and so did Kirtanananda. Sorry, the real explanation is not, that anyone who is following divyam jnanam that destroys sins is "being cheated." Of course Kailasa also does not like the Christian ritviks, because they saved my life from the people who were distributing his papers. 

You need to address this point for point, then we can move on from there. 

ys pd

PADA: Yes, for Narayana Maharaja to be in Texas supporting Tamal's worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as acharyas regime, with their industrial level child abuse program going on, is severe Vaishnava aparadha. The people who support child molesting, beating and raping programs of any children will go to special hells, but if the children victims are Vaishnavas, the term of sentence for being in hell is multiplied five billion times. And all of them are either there already now, or will go there when they depart from here. We agree with Bhakta Bandhava. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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Ritvik Video / ISKCON Deity Ministry / Murder Cover Up / Guru Varga 05 27

Deity Worship Ministry
Minister – Nrsimha Kavaca Das

The ISKCON Deity Worship Ministry facilitates and encourages the maintenance and development of deity worship according to Srila Prabhupada’s example and teachings by offering education, resources and guidance to inspire and nourish devotees’ desire to worship the deity form of the Lord. Additionally, we strive to foster within ISKCON the corresponding brahmana Vaisnava culture centered on the service and worship of the Supreme Lord, Sri Krsna. The Ministry is very active in developing and offering training, which includes:

Mayapur Academy (deity worship school), seminars on deity worship

on-site training and evaluation to managers and pujaris at ISKCON centers worldwide, educating ISKCON leaders in the importance of deity worship
We also offer various resources to assist devotees in the worship of the Lord, including: periodicals and manuals, Internet-based information, training videos,

Congregational Development Ministry

Minister – Jayapataka Swami, Co-Minister – Kaunteya Dasa

[PADA: Thanks prabhu for your question, 

[Q]: Is the current ISKCON deity pooja going on according to Srila Prabhupada's standards? And should we adopt their standards in our home programs?

[A]: Unfortunately, the standards established by Srila Prabhupada are no longer being followed. For example, right out of the gate in 1978 the GBC said we need to place the photos of conditioned souls on the altars, and offer the bhogha to them. Later on, they said we'd need to offer bhogha to Krishna first -- in case your guru is deviating "at least Krishna gets the offering." So they changed the order of worshiping, which was also never authorized.

When I was in Los Angeles there was a photo on the altar of a person who was saying "gurus can wear condoms when they have illicit sex" and the Los Angeles temple leaders told me -- they could not comment on this, I had to ask "the ISKCON deity worship ministry." So if the ISKCON deity pooja ministry is allowing, or is not even aware of ISKCON people worshiping these type persons who are being called "Srila Condom-pada," then they have failed to keep the standards. 

Then again, if we offer bhogha to people who are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, that will contaminate the offering, and the food will contaminate those who eat it with the illicit sex beeja. That will spread the desire for illicit sex among those who partake of such contaminated offerings. And some say, that is the entire plan of the GBC, to contaminate the offerings, and contaminate human society thereby.

My lady friend used to be a student of becoming a witch, and she says the evil witches offer food to Satan to harm and contaminate people, and the GBC offers food to pedophiles -- to harm and contaminate the citizens with pedophile's poisoned contamination into their mental and physical system. It is a principle commonly known in witch craft, they offer food to Satanic beings in order to harm anyone who eats it. And that is what the GBC is all about doing she says. Notice the deity ministry is connected to the Mayapur committee where all the molesting has been going on. They are a cabal. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

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Henry Doktorski: MALATI TRIES TO COVER UP FOR MURDER

Malati, at the time of Sulochan's murder, was living in the slums of NYC and taking recreational drugs profusely. She was "discovered" by a New Vrindaban chanting party who recognized her, despite her sick condition. She came to NV in the late 1980s, dropped her drug habit, and became one of Bhaktipada's sannyasinis. 

She knows nothing about the murder conspiracy, except what she heard from others. In 2007, after Janmastami broke his silence and claimed that Radhanath ORDERED HIM to assassinate Sulochan, Malati sent me an email, as she knew I was studying New Vrindaban history and writing a book, and asked me to help her exonerate Radhanath Swami and defend against Janmastami's accusations. 

Since at that time, I already knew, from reading private investigator documents in the Swami Bhaktipada Archive, that Radhanath Swamni WAS INVOLVED in the murder conspiracy, I replied to Malati, "Please call me on the phone, I don't want to talk about this by email." She never called me.

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ASTRAL INFLUENCE INFERIOR TO DEVOTIONAL SERVICE

"The clue is given there in the Bhagavad-gita that the living entities are fragmental parts and parcels of the Supreme Lord, this means that all the qualities of Krsna are therefore present in minute quantity in each of His parts and parcels.

That is simultaneously one and different philosophy—the living entities thus have free will because they are parts of Krsna and Krsna has free will, but the free will of Krsna is Supreme while the freedom of the parts and parcels is minute.
So if the living entity out of love subordinates his free will to Krsna that is his liberation.

He is no longer forced to act helplessly, but he acts freely rendering loving devotional service to Krsna in every way.

Then we have the practical conclusion from Krsna confirmed by Him in Bhagavad-gita (18:66), "Just surrender unto Me; and in return I shall protect you from all sinful reactions. Therefore you have nothing to fear."

In this way astral influences are also material and therefore they do not affect the devotee who has taken protection of Krsna's internal energy, by surrendering his life and soul in the service of the Lord."

Prabhupada letter to Madhudvisa, 14th February, 1970

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We Are to Worship Our Whole Guru-Varga

Srila BV Narayana Maharaja

Guru is the heaviest – no one is heavier than him. He is to be worshiped first. If we glorify him first, then Krsna is automatically worshiped. Guru is the rupa and svarupa of Krsna; he is not less than Krsna. All Vaisnavas, all pure devotees, are guru. Guru is one but he has 2 aspects.

PADA: Narayan Maharaja's guru lineage has actually three aspects, they are often fallen into illicit sex with men, women and children. OK maybe there is a fourth aspect, they might be also having sex with goats, who can say for certain? Narayan Maharaja never explains why he wants little children to worship his pedophiles as acharyas process, and he is hanging out being Tamal's bucket boy.

Only ignorant persons think that I am telling something different from Swamiji.
Those who fell down from sannyasa were never ISKCON and will never be.

PADA: So why did you say they are gurus?

Narada, Vyasa, Rupa Gosvami are real ISKCON. Where are all those ‘gurus’ now? If they will come again to serve Swamiji, then they have some chance.

PADA: They were serving the NM pedophile guru process, not ISKCON. 

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