Eric Johanson: Pranams Puranjana prabhu. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
So the way you conduct your blog is perhaps the best proof of the need for a physically manifest spiritual master. No doubt you have heard that slandering people (much less devotees) in the way you regularly do is sinful activity. Srila Prabhupada uses the phase, "calling ill names." Still you do it. Basically you just can't control your senses. There is some allowance to tell the truth about pretending dhamadhvaji "gurus," but you don't stop at them. Your ongoing refusal to be control yourself is incorrigible. The only thing that would get you to stop being sinful in this way is if Srila Prabhupada personally came and told you to stop. As such you are the one who says devotees don't need a guru and who can be accused of mayavada.
No doubt you will respond to this in your same patented nasty, below-the-belt way, something which one finds all too common in non-devotee internet "flame wars." It is, after all, Kali yuga, the age of quarrel. So good to know that you are one of the most prominent devotee representatives in that competition. As such, the people who are attracted by your sinful style can only be tried and true denizens of this age.
It is also surprising that, after all these years, you haven't learned one of the most basic tenets of muckraking journalism - a muckraker looks good when they "punch-up" but not when they "punch-down." Maybe you already know this, but take such delight in bullying less influential devotees that you can't stop. Anyway, who am I? I don't even have an "initiated" name. You start looking like you have psychological issues when you go after nothings like myself with such regular vitriol and vehemence.
Anyway, I still like you, but you need to hear this stuff. You do a lot of good exposing the pretenders, which is probably why Lord Krishna has largely given you a pass on all the other "ill names." Your hard work with your websites has garnered you a lot of influence, just like previously with Rocana dasa. To a certain extent you also think this gives you the right to play God there. However, you're not invincible - power brings with it increased responsibility. your servant, bhakta Eric
PADA: Thanks prabhu. First of all, you are giving me a lot of innuendo and inference that my info is not correct. Is that why I am always being interviewed by many mass media folks -- like Monkey on a Stick, CBS TV, New York Times, Rolling Stone Magazine, Investigative Discovery channel, "Killing for Krishna" books etc., and I will be on TV in the fall. And I have been a consultant for the West Virginia Sherifs, Berkeley PD, LAPD, the Feds, the 1986 molesting lawsuit, 1997 molesting lawsuit, the poison case, and I helped the Bangalore case etc. Because my info is wrong? Fine, what info is correct then and where do we find it?
Or do these many people trust and use my version, because they know, for the most part, it is not being contested? Neither you have given me one example of what I said that is not accurate, which gives me no chance to correct it. If something I said is provably wrong, then I could address that, but innuendo is just an insult with no real substance.
I have made many corrections to certain articles and statements over the years, because I am not the Supreme Supersoul who knows everything, but I do my best, and that is why the police, feds, media, courts, and many devotees trust my version overall. If you wanted to contest a particular statement then I could try to examine that, and make corrections if they are needed. What you are doing is just personal attack, ad hominem and insult and not making any actual point of any facts or substance. "You are wrong" is not helpful one iota.
Meanwhile, let us examine where we are right:
* Kailasa says our people who are worshiping Krishna and Srila Prabhupada are bogus, cheaters, apa-siddhanta etc. Which is what Tamal says. Why is he always picking on the little guys who are doing what Srila Prabhupada ordered? Anyone who adopts the process given by the acharya is apa-siddhanta, that is -- what the GBC bullies say. He is just another one of their bullies, or what? Why does he despise having anyone worship Krishna and His pure devotee? Even some of our people said, "he hates us." Why does Kailasa hate the Hare Krishna process and its followers?
* Kailasa burnt out Jadurani, and he treated her like a misogynist military drill instructor, as I saw myself. He is another GBC style misogynist and not someone who should be listened to.
* Kailasa said his astrology chart reading proves we all have to move to the midwest because California is going to fall into the ocean. But Srila Prabhupada said it is NOT going to fall into the ocean. He is another cheater astrologer, like many others who hang out around ISKCON fringes to exploit the Vaishnavas. Moreover he is trying to prove that the acharya is wrong.
* Kailasa said there is no need to have any more initiated poojaris, but Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 here in Berkeley just to do the pooja in Berkeley. Is Kailasa the boss of Srila Prabhupada, and Krishna?
* And the result of Kailasa saying we no longer need trained brahmana people to do the pooja is -- they had lots of poojaris who are deviants and / or hired Bengalis who are not always very strict, some of them are molesters, and the one of them we had here went to work for the meat restaurant as soon as he got a green card. Why does Kailasa want Krishna to have no servants, or dubious ones?
* Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 trained initiated poojaris, Kailasa says we need zero, who is right and who is wrong? As soon as we say the person who is correct is Srila Prabhupada, Kailasa says the whole idea of having 50 poojaris here is bogus, cheating and apa-siddhanta. And if we look at history, the same identical things happened in Krishna leela. Krishna was going to be worshiped, and Sisupala immediately was infuriated, and he wanted to have the pooja stopped. This is not even a new thing.
Then Kailasa works hand in hand -- writing his bogus ideas that Sisupala is our acharya, for Rocana, who still wants gurus to be voted in, although he wants stricter enforcement of their deviations. So Kailasa is writing for the guy who thinks he is the boss and enforcer of their deviant acharyas program. Acharyas need more strict enforcement of the rules for acharyas, by Kailasa and Rocana? Why is he working with these people, at all?
* One large set of deities ended up in Hansadutta's shed with his dirty laundry and vodka bottles etc. What is the result of the Kailasa idea of having no one to serve the deity? It is the same idea as Hansadutta's.
* You said you heard me and Sulochana are not strict fringies, yea, you were hearing from Kailasa and his GBC buddies who all said that, which is why Sulochana said -- calling us fringies is making us targets, to be killed. And he was.
* The reason Trivrikrama swami, Ravindra swarupa and Kirtanananda type people etc. have been distributing Kailasa's papers at the GBC meetings and to their followers is because -- Kailasa says that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada's divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) is being cheated and is apa-siddhanta. He says that all the time. He wrote many articles for Rocana saying that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada divyam jnanam process (diksha) is being cheated, and that is how come the GBC loves him.
Sorry, the reason the GBC people are circulating Kailasa's writings is -- he says what they say -- anyone who worships pure pure devotees and accepts their divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) process -- is being cheated and that is also called atheism. He says our people are apa-siddhanta all the time, and so did Kirtanananda. Sorry, the real explanation is not, that anyone who is following divyam jnanam that destroys sins is "being cheated." Of course Kailasa also does not like the Christian ritviks, because they saved my life from the people who were distributing his papers.
You need to address this point for point, then we can move on from there.
ys pd
PADA: Yes, for Narayana Maharaja to be in Texas supporting Tamal's worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as acharyas regime, with their industrial level child abuse program going on, is severe Vaishnava aparadha. The people who support child molesting, beating and raping programs of any children will go to special hells, but if the children victims are Vaishnavas, the term of sentence for being in hell is multiplied five billion times. And all of them are either there already now, or will go there when they depart from here. We agree with Bhakta Bandhava. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
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