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OM
One doesn't need a female diksha guru, but one also doesn't need a rubber-stamped institutional guru either. I'm an ex-disciple of BVKS, was twice initiated, went to India and I also lived 5 years in local temple under a KGB style survelliance-type-state community, all BVKS' henchmen.
The only thing that BVKS is successful at is ... colouring the eyes of his followers with apparently "pukha" conservative attitude and scratching the surface of various deviations. To be perfectly frank, if BVKS had true faith in Krsna and Srila Prabhupada, and belief in his own spiritual strength, he should simply avoid the GBC as asat sanga (which it definitely is) and just be a guru off his own bat. I was like "Be a man, BVKS. Be bold. Don't hide behind these fools."
If he did so, that would show that he has some integrity. To see him experiencing all these mundane emotions such as fear and anxiety is a sign of weakness (BVKS lecture video: Dreaming of entering the Dhama). The fact that he is scared of losing his artificial status as an 'ISKCON guru' is embarrassing, especially for a 'sannyasi.' A sannyasi should be fearless!!
PADA: Yes, BVKS says he feels anxiety facing the GBC's guru sabha in Mayapur. I forgot, Mayapur is managed by his sannyasa guru Jayapataka, where mass child abuse has been going on. If BVKS feels anxiety going there, what about all the kids that have been being abused there? Why doesn't BVKS defend them? He does not want to go there himself -- but hey -- you can send your kids there to get beat with bamboo sticks, and maybe get raped, not BVKS' problem!
Other people, kids included, have to go there and experience Auschwitz for kids, but I get in and out as soon as possible! Its your karma is you are stoopid enough to go there, even if you are five years old.
So, one wonders: why does BVKS not just tell the GBC to hit the road themselves and just be a guru to his own diciples? What has he got to lose? Membership of "ISKCON"? If he leaves, does that mean he still can't be a guru in his own world? Then he'll be free! All he has to lose is the rubber stamp and all the benefits that come from that membership.
A sign of spiritual advancement is that one realizes one does not require to be a "member in good standing" of an institution to make spiritual progress. Does BVKS not understand that?
PADA: Yes, anyone who supports their pedophile messiah's project is in good standing, and those of us who do not -- get the boots in face treatment.
Additionally, as guru in "ISKCON", BVKS is required to not criticize the GBC and to accept them totally, in order to maintain one's status as guru. So, what self-respecting person would ever do such a thing? Do we think that Srila Prabhupada would have simply become a Gaudiya Math guru, rubber stamped by his godbrothers? Of course not. That's not what true Vaisnavas are like - they are bold, courageous, renounced and fearless. The exact opposite of what BVKS has become.
What we are seeing with BVKS is the price one pays for selling your soul to the GBC to get that rubber stamp - mundane fear, stress, anxiety and so on. He's made a prison for himself due to his desires for artificial position.
One devotee friend has been in Mayapur once when BVKS was also present. He saw him bowing down, paying danadavats to all these people he criticizes. It's disgusting, especially since BVKS preaches one thing, but acts in another way to appease these crooks. Where's his dignity, self-respect, honesty, lack of hypocrisy? He may talk big big words, but when it comes down to it, he's a member of the cabal.
When BVKS sees Ravanatha next time, he will bow down again. That is 100% absolutely going to happen. That shows his true colors. He's just trying to protect his subtle sense grat and enjoy 'playing as a guru.' He's certainly no real warrior or man. He's actually a coward and a hypocrite. It looks like you have also understood some of these facts.
Ultimately, "ISKCON" should be completely rejected, if one at all wants to follow Srila Prabhupada. It cannot be reformed. It will never be reformed. It is not meant to be reformed. It exists because there will always be a class of people in Kali Yuga who want what "ISKCON" offers - a cheating religion.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has already explained this in 'Organized Religion' - required reading for those who don't want to be confused about "ISKCON's" demise and understand what and why this goes on.
If Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and Srila Prabhupada could not save their own institutions from destruction by demons, then who do we think WE are? it's simply pride to think we can ever 'reform' the fabricated so-called "ISKCON".
We are not greater that these two personalities.
Institutionalized religion is finished. It is ALL asat sanga and should be avoided. That's the first step.
Trying to reform "ISKCON" is time wasted. If Ravanatha is removed, or even the entire GBC is removed, there are simply 1000 ambitious ambitious fools to replace them, as that is what the people currently involved in "ISKCON" essentially desire (and probably subconsciously, for most of the congregation). They will NEVER want to be controlled or ruled by independently thoughtful people, as that is not what "ISKCON" is about.
It is a materialistic corporation hell bent on material advancement, gross and subtle. The congregation demands and get the leaders that reflects their internal values/morals. They vote in their own crooked mates. That's what organized religion does.
PADA: OM now follows Kailasa chandra and says to me that there is no need to have trained and initiated brahmanas doing deity pooja in Krishna's temples because "some people will do the pooja." What people? Sorry, we cannot have just any "people" doing the pooja, we are supposed to have trained brahmanas who know the standards, system, gayatri prayers and other prayers etc.
Srila Prabhupada never said that we should stop having trained brahmanas and hand off the deity pooja to assorted and unqualified "some people." We are supposed to have trained people, I forgot, Kailasa is not training anyone in deity pooja.
He just says go find some assorted "some people" and have them worship Krishna. And that is how Kailasa gets deities stuck into sheds where someone is drinking vodka and leaving their dirty underwear, vodka bottles, and Jimmy Hendrix music CDS strewn about. That is the result of his "some people" taking care of the deity.
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Also, this is another message to OM:
PADA: I never said that the Berkeley cows were sent to slaughter, I said that the situation was not made clear to the Berkeley temple devotees, or to me or anyone else here, for years. We were all left in the dark. As for Eric Johanson, he admits he was calling me and Sulochana fringies, which is why Sulochana said -- these guys (like Eric Johanson) are painting a bull's eye on me. Calling us fringies is why he was targeted, and then he was gone.angel108b@yahoo.com
M Dasi. "Someone" has not learned anything in all this time. Let us make "someone" the guru. Here they said "someone has to do it."
ReplyDeleteAnd "someone needs to be pujari." "Someone needs to be gurukula teacher." When are we going to start to make sure ... the "someone" has actual credentials ... for the job? And we know some of the "someone" people hired by ISKCON as pujaris ... eat onions, smoke beedis and some of them are molesters. Making any someone they find do these jobs is a failure.
That is why OM says ... we no longer need any institution. But Srila Prabhupada wanted one for a reason, to train people in the science. He even wanted schools and universities. As long we follow the OM idea, "someone" is going to do the leadership and puja and gurukula teaching, then the institution cannot run properly.
What they should be saying is ... we need to start to check everyone's credentials and not allow any and all "someones" to take the big posts. This is keeping the same bad ideas going, "make someone do the important job" ... and it does not work.
Agree, they are not even making any program to train anyone in anything. Just sit in a cabin in the woods living like a confused angry kitten hermit. That does not solve anything. Rather we need to initiate people into the science, and give them the right tools and training, that is the only way out of this hole. At least it is being done in some places, that is encouraging news.
BRD: OM is still contaminated by Bhakti Vikas swami foolishness, "let someone do the puja." This had lead to all sorts of very bad people acting as puaris. They should be training people to worship Srila Prabhupada and worship the deity properly. But no, that would be the ritviks deviation. Now we are finding more troubles with their "let someone / anyone" be a pujari.
ReplyDeleteMoscow pujari GBC ISKCON was jailed for drugs.
According to recent reports of informants, at the moment, the pujari of the Moscow temple of the Yuga Priya Devi Dasi is sitting in the Mozhaysk pre-trial detention center. A criminal case has been opened against her under article 228, part 4 - drug trafficking. Caught red-handed with a lot of evidence.
They say the chief lawyer of the GBC ISKCON Russia Maha-Balarama Das is now actively fussing to get her off. The most interesting thing is who is behind it and why was this batch ordered - for profit or is someone already using it?
Earlier, similar suspicions of drug trafficking went around another pujari of the Moscow temple. And Vishnurata, the head of the worship department at the Moscow temple, is known for allowing everyone without restrictions (Gaudiya Math, tea-coffee-chocolate-mushrooms, illicit sex, sahajiya, criminals LGBT, etc.) to worship Deities and helps them with word and deed. Therefore, it will not be surprising if it turns out that he is also involved.
The Moscow temple is run by Gopal Krishna with "the Indian diaspora." Which means it is all hodge podge. These Bhakti Vikas followers cannot understand how all of this is deviation but worse, what needs to be done to correct all this by making the proper and authorized pujas.