Except the BG Narasingha and Sridhara Maharaja gurus are falling down left and right, and into illicit sex with men, women and children. Yep, like they are saying Krishna is not God. What kind of fools make illicit sex deviants into God's successors?
These guys are also Sridhara Maharaja Followers:
We are not worshiping their pedophiles and deviants messiahs "out of frustraion"? Ummm, well no, no normal person wants to worship pedophiles and deviants as their messiahs, at all. Well jeepers, why would we not be frustrated with their idea of worshiping deviants as messiahs?
We also said that people like BG Narasingha should not take karma, because that will make them get sick, fall down or both. Srila Prabhupada said that devotees would not be affected by cancer if they followed his process, but BG Narasingha and many other got cancer, because evidently they are not following the process properly. He took a lot of karma by being a guru without authority, and he helped Sridhara promote the GBC's pedophile messiah's club, all of which is "bad karma."
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
CONCOCTED IDEA BORN OUT OF FRUSTRATION
Dear ______,
CONCOCTED IDEA BORN OUT OF FRUSTRATION
Dear ______,
Initiation is not something you have to do. it is something that when you are advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you will want to do. Initiation is a reciprocal relationship of affection between Kṛṣṇa and you which only transpires via the bona-fide representative of Krsna.
All liberated souls are eternal and ‘alive’ through their instructions. Lord Kṛṣṇa is also ‘alive’ in Bhagavad-gītā, but none of this changes the bona-fide process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness wherein to enter Kṛṣṇa’s family we will need to accept mantra-dīkṣā from a bona fide living guru. This is the teaching of all great ācāryas. Śrīla Prabhupāda taught this also and Lord Caitanya (incarnation of Kṛṣṇa) and even Kṛṣṇa Himself taught this essential principle by their personal example. When even God accepts a living guru, then who are we to think that we can do something different?
Śrīla Prabhupāda never taught the so-called ‘Ṛtvik’ idea. Ṛtvik is a concocted idea born out of fighting and frustration, and it does not stand up to the Vedic inspection. It is not an eternal philosophy as are the teachings of the Vedas and the bona-fide ācāryas.
I hope this meets you well.
Śrī Hari-jana-kiṅkara,
Swami BG Narasingha
Śrī Hari-jana-kiṅkara,
Swami BG Narasingha
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Are criminals, sexual predators and deviants "God's acharya successors"?
Are criminals, sexual predators and deviants "God's acharya successors"?
https://gosai.com/ashrama/swami-bg-narasingha
BB Vishnu
A Critical Essay Addressing the Ritvik Misconception in light of bona-fide siddhanta
[PADA: Yep, worship of pure devotees, and not conditioned souls posing as acharyas is a misconception. We need to worship bogus / illicit sex / intoxicated / criminal gurus who are rubber stamped by Sridhara Maharaja / Narayan Maharaja / et al. Who knew! There is good news, one of their current followers recently debated us and he said he could not give us the name of the current acharya for their program but "there might be a pure person out there somewhere." Bluffers! They cannot even name who their acharya is?]
"One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books... One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.53, purp.) — AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
The nature of devotional truths is that they are not revealed by debates (tarko 'pratisthah). The proper conception for any tattva is revealed in the heart only by virtue of ones' spiritual qualifications (adurlabham atma-bhaktau). We have experienced in our preaching that often the simplest spiritual concepts cannot be understood, even when painstakingly explained. This is due to the [non-devotee] recipients' disqualifications or impurities.
Similarly, many devotees are disqualified from understanding finer siddhantic truths by virtue of their impurities, material desires, subtle and gross deviations from the strict line of Sri Rupanuga-varga, and particularly because of their offenses to other Vaisnavas. Devotional faith is illumined with proper understanding. Real, substantial faith can never be blindly based on incomplete knowledge and semi-devotional considerations. True faith recognizes real spiritual substance, for it is the seed of the hladini-sakti, the potency to give pleasure to Sri Krsna, embodied and distributed to us by the Absolute Pleasure Potency, Srimati Radharani. Faith is the substance that is of the same spiritual quality as the spiritual world: it is our most substantial connection with that highest realm of attainment.
Ritvik Misconceptions
All those who are associated directly or indirectly with the formal ISKCON movement accept that Srila Prabhupada appointed ritvik priests to initiate on his behalf during his final manifest days. However, the concept that all initiations in ISKCON after the departure of Srila Prabhupada would be done by ritvik priests is inconsistent with all of his teachings, all sastra, all predecessor acaryas, all sampradayas, and all Vedic and Pancaratrika tradition.
[PADA: In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja made a person who turned out to be a bi-sexual deviant into the Gaudiya Matha's "acharya" citing that "if we do not have a living guru we will not be following shastra." And eventually it came out that their "guru" was having at least one illicit affair, and the dissenting devotees who protested Sridhara Maharaja's bogus guru deviation process were banned, some were beaten up, some were killed. Later on their "guru" committed suicide by drinking poison as his scandals piled up, and his son was killed with poison to help cover up these scandals.
Then, after 1977, Sridhara Maharaja endorsed another layer of conditioned souls as gurus, the ISKCON GBC's 11 bogus gurus. And the same type deviations happened. Their anointed gurus started falling into scandals, and those who protested were banned, beaten, sued, and some were assassinated. The "order" to worship the acharya under a management body (Governing Body) and not make conditioned souls into acharyas was not followed.
Of course Jayadvaita swami has summed up that the "guru parampara" supported by the GBC, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja et al. contains "illicit sex with men, women and children." I am glad that they are excluding sex with goats in their guru parampara from Vaikuntha, that is at least Sridhara Maharaja's sampradaya's only credit.]
Taking into consideration all the available documents, tapes and instructions of Srila Prabhupada we see that he did not leave clear instructions regarding the managerial aspect of the process of initiation after his departure, although he did give a clear understanding of its spiritual principles. Srila Prabhupada many times mentioned his Guru Maharaja's desire in this matter and he left it up to the GBC to manage all material and spiritual affairs.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said perhaps thousands of times, we cannot make false gurus like Sridhara Maharaja of the Gaudiya Matha has done. We can only have a managerial body because no one is qualified to be guru. He said this -- over and over and over and over.
Yet the followers of Sridhara Maharaja say "this is not clear." What is not clear? The GBC were only appointed as managers, not as gurus, as BB Vishnu more or less admits above. The idea that conditioned souls cannot become gurus is explained by Srila Prabhupada COUNTLESS times, its very clear.]
His idea was 'Let them manage; then whoever will be qualified for becoming acarya, they will elect. Why should I enforce it upon them?' That was his plan. 'Let them manage by strong governing body, as it is going on. Then acarya will come by his qualifications.' (SPL 21.9.73)
[PADA: Yes, Srila Prabhupada said a qualified person can potentially become guru later on, maybe. Yet! Only if someone is up to the pure standard of acharya, but Sridhara Maharaja thinks conditioned souls are ALREADY "qualified as acharas" when they clearly are not. So ALL the ISKCON people could MAYBE and theoretically "become gurus eventually" (all of the disciples). Fine, but then the bogus gurus certified by the GBC and Sridhara Maharaja eliminated ALMOST ALL of the rank and file devotees, who were for the most part nearly all banned and exiled, if not beaten and murdered on the way out the door.
Then the few elite gurus selected by the GBC and endorsed by Sridhara Maharaja hi-jacked the assets of ISKCON after removing almost ALL of the people who were potentially going to be spiritually elevated. A person who is already pure or can become pure later, if there is one who manifests eventually, will manifest by his own self-effulgent qualifications and not by the rubber stamp of the GBC and their self-proclaimed "advisors" like Sridhara Maharaja. Yes, the acharya appears by his qualifications and not because people like Sridhara Maharaja endorse conditioned souls as acharyas.]
Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. (C.c. Madhya-lila 1.220, purp.) His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. (SPL 28.4.74)
[PADA: Yet Sridhara Maharaja said the GBC can vote in more acharyas. So (A) mundane votes cannot select an acharya, therefore (B) lets make mundane votes to select the acharya? These folks are arguing with their own shadow.]
We can understand from these statements that it is highly unlikely that Srila Prabhupada would appoint any successor acaryas. It is also clear from a thorough study of Srila Prabhupada's teachings that he desired that the traditional parampara system be followed in his mission, and that his consistent desire is that his disciples initiate disciples when qualified.
[PADA: They were not qualified to be gurus, and that has been proven in spades. That means Sridhara Maharaja made a big mistake promoting them as gurus, and worse as "zonal acharyas." And worse, he said "none should protest" which made us "protesters" targets for violence, as happened.]
His many consistent instructions in this regard were given at various times under many different circumstances such as lectures, letters to specific devotees and room conversations.
I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bona fide spiritual master to spread Krsna consciousness throughout the whole world. (SPL Madhusudana, Nov. 2, 1967)
[PADA: Yes, the kindergarten teacher tells his students that he hopes ALL of them could become brain surgeons eventually. That does not mean one, some or all of them have already become brain surgeons? This is a generalized idea, its not a specific instruction for one, some, or everyone to be gurus now. No one is named here to be the actual guru or gurus, and thus we cannot telescope the general instructions for a potential future person or persons to become pure -- to be a specific instruction for specific people to be gurus now, as the Sridhara Maharaja program does all the time.]
Regarding your question about the disciplic succession coming down from Arjuna, it is just like I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession. (Los Angeles, 25 January, 1969)
Every one of you should be spiritual master next. (Hamburg, September 5, 1969)
[PADA: So the Sridhara Maharaja / GBC program kicks nearly everyone of these potential gurus out, then says, everyone of them is a potential guru? So why did they kick out all of these people, if they were supposed to become some sort of gurus? They are all gurus, so lets kick them all out? What kind of society bans, beats and assassinates its potential gurus? Oh I almost forgot, its Sridhara / Narayan maharaja's!
They are potentially going to be gurus, so lets ban, beat, sue, remove and -- kill these potential "gurus"? This is also the same identical program Sridhara Maharaja orchestrated in the Gaudiya Matha, the rank and file were banned, exiled and removed, then they said -- well these people were all supposed become pure and become some sort of gurus?
So why is the GBC / Sridhara Maharaja program saying (A) they are supposed to become pure therefore, (B) lets ban, beat, sue, remove and kill them? And lets help the GBC create a mass child abuse program and then become their hand maidens in a program to ban, beat, sue, and assassinate those who protest that deviation as well?]
These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. (RC Detroit, July 18, 1971)
You, all my disciples, everyone should become spiritual master. (London, August 22, 1973)
[PADA: When or if, they are qualified. Of course the Sridhara Maharaja program kicks out almost all the devotees, so they cannot become more qualified at any service.]
Every student is expected to become acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples... I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy... Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bonafide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. (SPL Tusta Krsna, December 2, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada, quoting his Guru Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, writes very clearly that the order of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is for everyone to become spiritual master (yare dekhi tare kaha krsna upadesa amara ajnaya guru hana tare ei desa) and that one is qualified to become guru if he knows the science of Krsna consciousness (yei krsna-tattva vetta sei guru haya).
[PADA: Yes, anyone can BECOME pure, that does not mean they have ALREADY become pure. Srila Prabhupada said we neophytes are like unripe mangoes. Yes, an unripe mango might MAYBE become a ripe and tasty mango EVENTUALLY, but we cannot telescope the unripe with the ripe prematurely.]
Srila Prabhupada writes that this order applies equally to siksa and diksa guru and that we MUST accept this principle or Krsna consciousness will not spread all over the world. This instruction of Srila Prabhupada, which is his Bhaktivedanta purport to the exact verse enunciating this principle, is irrefutably clear.
[PADA: Wrong. Srila Prabhupada said that we neophytes cannot absorb sins as diksha gurus and if we do so we will fall down, get sick, and many of our God brother associates died prematurely from taking sins without authority. Of course Sridhara Maharaja did the same thing after 1936, he endorsed premature acharyas and a number of them fell down, got sick, or died, or commited suicide, as happened to his main bogus acharya.]
The word guru [in this verse, yei krsna-tattva sei guru haya] is equally applicable to vartma-pradarsaka-guru, siksa-guru and diksa-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this Krsna consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. (Cc. Madhya-lila 8.128, purp.)
It is simply inconsistent and out of concert with all his teachings to think that Srila Prabhupada wished his ISKCON movement to utilize a posthumous ritvik system of initiation on his behalf for all time.
[PADA: A neophyte can absorb sins like Jesus -- simply does not work. Some of the Narayan Maharaja people think this is some kind of joke, but when neophytes try to take sins, Srila Prabhupada told us "they will have to suffer." And they are.]
Generally diksa (initiation) follows siksa (instruction), and the siksa of the initiating guru continues after diksa with innumerable instruction sessions, where the guru on a regular basis answers important philosophical questions, which are essential for healthy, normal spiritual advancement. This cannot be separated from the relationship of guru and disciple.
Regarding the guru disciple relationship, siksa is the most essential element: the transferral of transcendental knowledge (divya-jnanam) comprises the essence of initiation. Be it with our diksa or our siksa guru, we need a substantial siksa relationship with an advanced realized Vaisnava who can guide us by providing properly conceived answers to our particular questions, according to time, place, circumstance and personal necessity.
[PADA: So the Prabhupadanugas are acting as shiksha devotees, and they agree this is the essence. Yet then these deviants say -- we should not have these neophytes acting MERELY as minor league shiksha devotee preachers, rather we should tell them they are as good as Jesus, and they can absorb sins as diksha gurus. No, the church laymen, preachers, priests or shiksha gurus cannot act in that capacity.]
This substantial siksa is essential to help one extract and understand the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and the previous acaryas. Further, it is the injunction of the Bhakti-sandarbha of Sri Jiva Goswami that only one on the transcendental platform can associate with a non-manifest personality.
[PADA: Right, Sridhara Maharaja says we cannot worship the actual acharya, we have to worship the fools he manifests as acharya instead, i.e. his 1936 bi-sexual deviant. Then, after 1977 he manifests even more deviants for us to promote as his messiahs, like sexual predators, homosexuals, criminals, machine gun swamis and so on, as his alleged acharyas. Why is he manifesting all these fools as his process of the parampara from God, and acharyas?]
Srila Prabhupada is always with the sincere disciple in the form of his instructions, but the degree to which we are able to associate with him is limited by our degree of realization. For example, Krishna's pastimes are eternally going on in Vrindavan, but now they are unmanifest.
Only one with the vision described by Narottama das Thakur in Prarthana will see the land made of cintamani, the kalpa-vriksa trees, and Krishna performing His pastimes with His associates. In the same manner, Srila Prabhupada is here with us, but our ability to associate with him is limited by our degree of faith and realization.
[PADA: Exactly right! Some people see the pure devotee in his books, other people see pure devotees as: assorted deviants such as homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals, molesters, drunkards, and so on. When Hansadutta told Sridhara Maharaja he was having affairs and he was taking intoxicants, Sridhara Maharaja said, you have to go back and continue to be a guru or your followers will be discouraged. Great, we have to tell people to worship debauchees so they will not be discouraged! Sridhara Maharaja also helped save Ramesvara from resigning, helped keep Tamal, Jayatirtha and others the guru seat, and so on, in other words he keeps deviants in the guru seat.]
Is Everything In Srila Prabhupada's Books?
"Everything" is in Srila Prabhupada's books, and when properly understood, these books are sufficient in themselves for one to advance in Krsna consciousness and attain perfection. This does not mean that every piece of information is in Prabhupada's books, but that the methodology and instructions for attaining perfection in Krsna consciousness are.
[PADA: Yes, many people write to report that -- thank goodness they are reading the books -- because this has saved them from worshiping the Sridhara Maharaja endorsed illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Of course any average ten year old child knows that we cannot worship debauchees as acharyas, that is not proper understanding of God and His successors.]
If we faithfully follow the instructions given in these books we will imbibe the proper devotional conceptions and Krsna will reveal to us through His agents, the Vaishnavas and sadhus, those additional things that are necessary. (cf. Bg. 9.22 and C.c. Madhya-lila 22.54).
"I carry what you lack and preserve what you have." And "by even a moment's association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success." In Srila Prabhupada's letter of November 22, 1974 he offers encouraging words by stating that by such daily sincere reading of his books, everything will be revealed in time.
The problem arises in extracting, understanding and properly applying the many instructions therein.
[PADA: Yes, nowhere in the Vedas does it say we should worship conditioned souls as acharyas. Nor does it say that when these bogus acharyas are having illicit sex, taking intoxicants, and orchestrating beatings, molesting, bogus lawsuits, murders and assorted other crimes -- that we should sit back and "wait and see" as Sridhara Maharaja advised the GBC. We are witnessing a process of banning, beating, molesting, suing, murders and so many other crimes, and we need to "wait and see" -- waiting for -- what?
Why are we waiting for more people to become victims of these abuses?
There is only concern for preserving the false guru regime and not for the victims, of course that is also what happened after 1936 in India. They "waited," as more and more people were banned, beaten and killed. Why should we "wait and see" and enable and allow more victimization?]
Sastra is passive and the advanced devotee is the active principle in extracting the devotional conclusions. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, in his 1931 Harmonist article (The Harmonist, Dec. 1931, vol. XXIX No. 6), while extolling the virtues of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, emphatically states this same point. "One cannot simply read the words of Bhaktivinode Thakura; one must hear them from the lips of a pure devotee." An excerpt of this article, a very strong statement against the ritvik idea by our param guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, is presented at the end of this article.
[PADA: OK so we need to worship deviants as acharyas, and that is advice from the living lips or a pure devotee? Meanwhile, any ten year old child knows we cannot attain God by worship of debauchees?]
Simply repeating Srila Prabhupada's instructions or cutting and pasting them into papers without understanding them cannot substitute for realizing their essence by virtue of purely practicing them. The innumerable philosophical controversies amongst Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples and followers stand strongly as a testament to this. There is much confusion regarding proper understandings of jiva-tattva, guru-tattva, rasa-tattva and Vaisnava-tattva, just to name a few. This problem cannot be denied, and substantiates that we need continuous and properly qualified siksa, always.
Volumes of letters written by Srila Prabhupada in response to his disciples many very individual needs and specific questions further substantiates that the continuous flow of guidance is necessary throughout ones' spiritual life–Prabhupada did not tell his disciples to go look it up in a book. On the contrary, he stated:
One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.54,purp.)
The disciple, if he cannot understand the statement of the scriptures or any saintly person, he submits his doubts before the spiritual master and he clears it. In this way we have to make progress. (Montreal, July 9, 1968) By reading you cannot understand. (Bom. Jan. 8, 1977)
Question: Through a book can you contact the spiritual master?
Prabhupada: No, you have to associate.
Devotee: "Can you associate through a book?" she asked.
Prabhupada: Yes, through books and also personal. Because when you make a spiritual master you have got personal touch. Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual master concrete. So as soon as you make a spiritual master, you should be inquisitive. (RC London, Sept. 23, 1969)
The present uncertainty as to the proper guru system in some temples in ISKCON seems to be a managerial consideration, not a philosophical one. However, no amount of external arrangement can replace or satisfy our internal spiritual necessity.
In their attempts to propagate the ritvik misconception, the ritvik proponents, have not been able to provide a proper siddhantic explanation of this issue. Their engagement in mundane grammatical and logical debates reveals a lack of spiritual acquisition–realization seen through the eye of divine service. There is not a single example in our sampradaya nor by any of our acaryas, nor any other bonafide sampradaya where devotees take initiation from a guru by proxy after he has left this world.
The ritvik proponents continuously try to shun their burden of proof and instead state that there is "no scriptural reference indicating this ritvik practice is a deviation from siddhanta." When such a novel and unprecedented idea is introduced (initiation by a non-manifest personality) the Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition dictates that sastric references be provided to validate its authenticity. This has not been done.
In Srila Prabhupada's own words, such statements (even of the guru) which cannot be verified by sastra must be rejected along with the guru. (C.c. Madhya-lila 20.352, purp.). Thus if we follow the dry ritvik logic one step further, we arrive at a most unpleasant and unpalatable conclusion.
Bhaktivinoda Thakura has mentioned thirteen apasampradayas that deviate from the strict line of Sri Caitanya. The ritvik conception is ideologically closest to the Kartabhaja apasampradaya; one of these thirteen:
In Bangladesh, a new version of the Kartabhaja sect was founded by one Anukul Chandra. Posing himself as a Supreme Lord, Anukul Chandra has been worshipped by his followers as such. Specific features of his worship were his "Visvarupa darsanas," which centered on a very degraded practice. He is now dead, but his followers propagate that he can initiate latter-day devotees through preachers known as ritviks. New initiates must agree to follow the principles—be vegetarian once a week and worship no deity other than Anukul Chandra's picture.
The example of condemnation of an improper attitude and understanding of the guru principle provides illumination for the present day situation.
Virabhadra Goswami in a letter to Srinivasa Acarya ostracized one Jayagopala from Vaisnava society for claiming himself as a disciple of his param guru. This is described in Gaudiya Vaisnava Abhidhana, khanda 3.
Many devotees look to the ritvik idea as a new life-giving conception that will solve the biggest disaster in ISKCON—that of the guru issue. This is like seeing the external symptoms of a woman whose stomach is growing. Some may conceive that new life may arise from this, but actually it is only a tumor that will not bring about a new life but will only bring death to the woman herself. In the words of the most exalted and until recently, the seniormost Gaudiya Vaisnava on the planet, Srila Bhakti Promode Puri Goswami Maharaja, whose clear statement on the ritvik idea says it all, "It is the death of the sampradaya."
[PADA: Srila Bhakti Pramode Puri supported the idea that Jayapataka's (child molester) guru regime in Mayapura is bona fide. Did we forget to mention, Jayapataka is one of the people close to the poison complaint conspiracy where Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned? Why do Sridhara Maharaja's / Narayan Maharaja's etc. programs always go back to glorification of the cheer leaders of the molester messiahs process, the main suspects in the poisoning complaint from Prabhupada etc.?]
Lord Krsna once asked Duryodhana to go into the kingdom and bring back a person more qualified than himself, and He asked Yudhisthira to find a person less qualified than himself. After some time each returned alone: Duryodhana said that he could not find anyone more qualified than himself, and Yudhisthira said that everyone was more qualified than himself. Like Duryodhana, most ritvik proponents are representing that they alone are qualified to judge the (dis) qualifications of others. This kind of thinking is avaisnava and contrary to our devotional line — it is apa-sampradayic. If one lacks the realization to understand these many essential points, that does not mean that others do not understand these points.
[PADA: The ritviks should not judge that Sridhara's banning, beating, molesting and murdering guru process is bogus? That is how these folks enabled all these crimes, Sridhara complained that we dissenters are wrong to protest, and we should not protest. OK so people are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated, and "none should protest" --- which enables the criminals.]
The deliberate attempt to create and maintain Vaisnavas on the plane of lower adhikari (kanistha adhikari) – as is the case in ISKCON and among ritvik vadis, is a symptom of the incapacity to surrender and reach a higher plane of self abnegation, the plane where the greatest necessity is being served.
The essence of Bhagavad-gita is that we give up all our present conceptions and attachments and place ourselves at the disposal of the highest necessity of the Lord's agents.
The ritvik idea is a symptom of hrdaya-durbalya, the anartha of weakness of the heart that makes one unable to fully embrace the life of pure devotion.
Ritvik vadis wish to maintain the whole management and guru system on the level of lower adhikari. If one is really sincere and cannot tolerate impurity within the formal establishment, then one should accept an exclusive life of devotion (sannyasa) and establish a higher standard of purity. One must offer his impurity in the fire of sacrifice on behalf of the Lord.
The adhikari or spiritual standing of a devotee may be judged by his ideal or aspiration. The highest spiritual acquisition is not a matter of demand or right; it can only be sanctioned from the highest quarter, that of the Lord and His associates. "If God sees you are sincere, He will give you a spiritual master." (Rome, 6.23.74) In this endeavor it is all risk and no gain, for we cannot demand anything in return for our service. Pure devotional service is selfless.
The ritvik proponents are lacking a genuine spiritual aspiration. The underlying attitude of the ritvik idea is in essence abhakti, opposed to devotion, for it is indicative of a diseased condition to demand this connection with the plane of transcendence without proper qualifications.
Srila B. R. Sridhara Deva Goswami Maharaja has commented, "We cannot really help ourselves very much; because in our present state we are mainly guided by our previous samskara or acquired nature. This highest spiritual fortune is but a gracious grant from the Absolute Lord, and not a matter of right to be demanded or fought out." By cultivation of this mood of negativity (necessity) we attract the attention of the Lord. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu exemplifies this in the last verse of the Siksastaka, aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam... 'You may embrace me or trample me, but you will always be the only Lord of my life.'"
Devotees should realize that their difficulties are due to their own past misdeeds, and they should hope and pray that their situation be resolved (tat te'nukampam su-sumiksamano, Bhag. 10.14.8).
Eulogy of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura
[PADA: Even some "karmi" type person wrote me a few days ago saying he is appalled that the Krishna religion seems to allow all sorts of crimes going on left, right and center and the people do not take action to fix that.
Anyway, the ritviks are bogus because they worship a pure devotee and they do not worship Sridhara Maharaja's bi-sexual 1936 bogus guru, and his "later day saints" of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program. The ritviks do not worship debauchees as their messiahs, therefore they are "not in the parampara." Not in what parampara? ys pd]
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BB Vishnu
A Critical Essay Addressing the Ritvik Misconception in light of bona-fide siddhanta
[PADA: Yep, worship of pure devotees, and not conditioned souls posing as acharyas is a misconception. We need to worship bogus / illicit sex / intoxicated / criminal gurus who are rubber stamped by Sridhara Maharaja / Narayan Maharaja / et al. Who knew! There is good news, one of their current followers recently debated us and he said he could not give us the name of the current acharya for their program but "there might be a pure person out there somewhere." Bluffers! They cannot even name who their acharya is?]
"One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books... One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.53, purp.) — AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
The nature of devotional truths is that they are not revealed by debates (tarko 'pratisthah). The proper conception for any tattva is revealed in the heart only by virtue of ones' spiritual qualifications (adurlabham atma-bhaktau). We have experienced in our preaching that often the simplest spiritual concepts cannot be understood, even when painstakingly explained. This is due to the [non-devotee] recipients' disqualifications or impurities.
Similarly, many devotees are disqualified from understanding finer siddhantic truths by virtue of their impurities, material desires, subtle and gross deviations from the strict line of Sri Rupanuga-varga, and particularly because of their offenses to other Vaisnavas. Devotional faith is illumined with proper understanding. Real, substantial faith can never be blindly based on incomplete knowledge and semi-devotional considerations. True faith recognizes real spiritual substance, for it is the seed of the hladini-sakti, the potency to give pleasure to Sri Krsna, embodied and distributed to us by the Absolute Pleasure Potency, Srimati Radharani. Faith is the substance that is of the same spiritual quality as the spiritual world: it is our most substantial connection with that highest realm of attainment.
Ritvik Misconceptions
All those who are associated directly or indirectly with the formal ISKCON movement accept that Srila Prabhupada appointed ritvik priests to initiate on his behalf during his final manifest days. However, the concept that all initiations in ISKCON after the departure of Srila Prabhupada would be done by ritvik priests is inconsistent with all of his teachings, all sastra, all predecessor acaryas, all sampradayas, and all Vedic and Pancaratrika tradition.
[PADA: In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja made a person who turned out to be a bi-sexual deviant into the Gaudiya Matha's "acharya" citing that "if we do not have a living guru we will not be following shastra." And eventually it came out that their "guru" was having at least one illicit affair, and the dissenting devotees who protested Sridhara Maharaja's bogus guru deviation process were banned, some were beaten up, some were killed. Later on their "guru" committed suicide by drinking poison as his scandals piled up, and his son was killed with poison to help cover up these scandals.
Then, after 1977, Sridhara Maharaja endorsed another layer of conditioned souls as gurus, the ISKCON GBC's 11 bogus gurus. And the same type deviations happened. Their anointed gurus started falling into scandals, and those who protested were banned, beaten, sued, and some were assassinated. The "order" to worship the acharya under a management body (Governing Body) and not make conditioned souls into acharyas was not followed.
Of course Jayadvaita swami has summed up that the "guru parampara" supported by the GBC, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja et al. contains "illicit sex with men, women and children." I am glad that they are excluding sex with goats in their guru parampara from Vaikuntha, that is at least Sridhara Maharaja's sampradaya's only credit.]
Taking into consideration all the available documents, tapes and instructions of Srila Prabhupada we see that he did not leave clear instructions regarding the managerial aspect of the process of initiation after his departure, although he did give a clear understanding of its spiritual principles. Srila Prabhupada many times mentioned his Guru Maharaja's desire in this matter and he left it up to the GBC to manage all material and spiritual affairs.
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said perhaps thousands of times, we cannot make false gurus like Sridhara Maharaja of the Gaudiya Matha has done. We can only have a managerial body because no one is qualified to be guru. He said this -- over and over and over and over.
Yet the followers of Sridhara Maharaja say "this is not clear." What is not clear? The GBC were only appointed as managers, not as gurus, as BB Vishnu more or less admits above. The idea that conditioned souls cannot become gurus is explained by Srila Prabhupada COUNTLESS times, its very clear.]
His idea was 'Let them manage; then whoever will be qualified for becoming acarya, they will elect. Why should I enforce it upon them?' That was his plan. 'Let them manage by strong governing body, as it is going on. Then acarya will come by his qualifications.' (SPL 21.9.73)
[PADA: Yes, Srila Prabhupada said a qualified person can potentially become guru later on, maybe. Yet! Only if someone is up to the pure standard of acharya, but Sridhara Maharaja thinks conditioned souls are ALREADY "qualified as acharas" when they clearly are not. So ALL the ISKCON people could MAYBE and theoretically "become gurus eventually" (all of the disciples). Fine, but then the bogus gurus certified by the GBC and Sridhara Maharaja eliminated ALMOST ALL of the rank and file devotees, who were for the most part nearly all banned and exiled, if not beaten and murdered on the way out the door.
Then the few elite gurus selected by the GBC and endorsed by Sridhara Maharaja hi-jacked the assets of ISKCON after removing almost ALL of the people who were potentially going to be spiritually elevated. A person who is already pure or can become pure later, if there is one who manifests eventually, will manifest by his own self-effulgent qualifications and not by the rubber stamp of the GBC and their self-proclaimed "advisors" like Sridhara Maharaja. Yes, the acharya appears by his qualifications and not because people like Sridhara Maharaja endorse conditioned souls as acharyas.]
Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. (C.c. Madhya-lila 1.220, purp.) His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. (SPL 28.4.74)
[PADA: Yet Sridhara Maharaja said the GBC can vote in more acharyas. So (A) mundane votes cannot select an acharya, therefore (B) lets make mundane votes to select the acharya? These folks are arguing with their own shadow.]
We can understand from these statements that it is highly unlikely that Srila Prabhupada would appoint any successor acaryas. It is also clear from a thorough study of Srila Prabhupada's teachings that he desired that the traditional parampara system be followed in his mission, and that his consistent desire is that his disciples initiate disciples when qualified.
[PADA: They were not qualified to be gurus, and that has been proven in spades. That means Sridhara Maharaja made a big mistake promoting them as gurus, and worse as "zonal acharyas." And worse, he said "none should protest" which made us "protesters" targets for violence, as happened.]
His many consistent instructions in this regard were given at various times under many different circumstances such as lectures, letters to specific devotees and room conversations.
I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bona fide spiritual master to spread Krsna consciousness throughout the whole world. (SPL Madhusudana, Nov. 2, 1967)
[PADA: Yes, the kindergarten teacher tells his students that he hopes ALL of them could become brain surgeons eventually. That does not mean one, some or all of them have already become brain surgeons? This is a generalized idea, its not a specific instruction for one, some, or everyone to be gurus now. No one is named here to be the actual guru or gurus, and thus we cannot telescope the general instructions for a potential future person or persons to become pure -- to be a specific instruction for specific people to be gurus now, as the Sridhara Maharaja program does all the time.]
Regarding your question about the disciplic succession coming down from Arjuna, it is just like I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession. (Los Angeles, 25 January, 1969)
Every one of you should be spiritual master next. (Hamburg, September 5, 1969)
[PADA: So the Sridhara Maharaja / GBC program kicks nearly everyone of these potential gurus out, then says, everyone of them is a potential guru? So why did they kick out all of these people, if they were supposed to become some sort of gurus? They are all gurus, so lets kick them all out? What kind of society bans, beats and assassinates its potential gurus? Oh I almost forgot, its Sridhara / Narayan maharaja's!
They are potentially going to be gurus, so lets ban, beat, sue, remove and -- kill these potential "gurus"? This is also the same identical program Sridhara Maharaja orchestrated in the Gaudiya Matha, the rank and file were banned, exiled and removed, then they said -- well these people were all supposed become pure and become some sort of gurus?
So why is the GBC / Sridhara Maharaja program saying (A) they are supposed to become pure therefore, (B) lets ban, beat, sue, remove and kill them? And lets help the GBC create a mass child abuse program and then become their hand maidens in a program to ban, beat, sue, and assassinate those who protest that deviation as well?]
These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. (RC Detroit, July 18, 1971)
You, all my disciples, everyone should become spiritual master. (London, August 22, 1973)
[PADA: When or if, they are qualified. Of course the Sridhara Maharaja program kicks out almost all the devotees, so they cannot become more qualified at any service.]
Every student is expected to become acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples... I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy... Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bonafide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. (SPL Tusta Krsna, December 2, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada, quoting his Guru Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, writes very clearly that the order of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is for everyone to become spiritual master (yare dekhi tare kaha krsna upadesa amara ajnaya guru hana tare ei desa) and that one is qualified to become guru if he knows the science of Krsna consciousness (yei krsna-tattva vetta sei guru haya).
[PADA: Yes, anyone can BECOME pure, that does not mean they have ALREADY become pure. Srila Prabhupada said we neophytes are like unripe mangoes. Yes, an unripe mango might MAYBE become a ripe and tasty mango EVENTUALLY, but we cannot telescope the unripe with the ripe prematurely.]
Srila Prabhupada writes that this order applies equally to siksa and diksa guru and that we MUST accept this principle or Krsna consciousness will not spread all over the world. This instruction of Srila Prabhupada, which is his Bhaktivedanta purport to the exact verse enunciating this principle, is irrefutably clear.
[PADA: Wrong. Srila Prabhupada said that we neophytes cannot absorb sins as diksha gurus and if we do so we will fall down, get sick, and many of our God brother associates died prematurely from taking sins without authority. Of course Sridhara Maharaja did the same thing after 1936, he endorsed premature acharyas and a number of them fell down, got sick, or died, or commited suicide, as happened to his main bogus acharya.]
The word guru [in this verse, yei krsna-tattva sei guru haya] is equally applicable to vartma-pradarsaka-guru, siksa-guru and diksa-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this Krsna consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. (Cc. Madhya-lila 8.128, purp.)
It is simply inconsistent and out of concert with all his teachings to think that Srila Prabhupada wished his ISKCON movement to utilize a posthumous ritvik system of initiation on his behalf for all time.
[PADA: A neophyte can absorb sins like Jesus -- simply does not work. Some of the Narayan Maharaja people think this is some kind of joke, but when neophytes try to take sins, Srila Prabhupada told us "they will have to suffer." And they are.]
Generally diksa (initiation) follows siksa (instruction), and the siksa of the initiating guru continues after diksa with innumerable instruction sessions, where the guru on a regular basis answers important philosophical questions, which are essential for healthy, normal spiritual advancement. This cannot be separated from the relationship of guru and disciple.
Regarding the guru disciple relationship, siksa is the most essential element: the transferral of transcendental knowledge (divya-jnanam) comprises the essence of initiation. Be it with our diksa or our siksa guru, we need a substantial siksa relationship with an advanced realized Vaisnava who can guide us by providing properly conceived answers to our particular questions, according to time, place, circumstance and personal necessity.
[PADA: So the Prabhupadanugas are acting as shiksha devotees, and they agree this is the essence. Yet then these deviants say -- we should not have these neophytes acting MERELY as minor league shiksha devotee preachers, rather we should tell them they are as good as Jesus, and they can absorb sins as diksha gurus. No, the church laymen, preachers, priests or shiksha gurus cannot act in that capacity.]
This substantial siksa is essential to help one extract and understand the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and the previous acaryas. Further, it is the injunction of the Bhakti-sandarbha of Sri Jiva Goswami that only one on the transcendental platform can associate with a non-manifest personality.
[PADA: Right, Sridhara Maharaja says we cannot worship the actual acharya, we have to worship the fools he manifests as acharya instead, i.e. his 1936 bi-sexual deviant. Then, after 1977 he manifests even more deviants for us to promote as his messiahs, like sexual predators, homosexuals, criminals, machine gun swamis and so on, as his alleged acharyas. Why is he manifesting all these fools as his process of the parampara from God, and acharyas?]
Srila Prabhupada is always with the sincere disciple in the form of his instructions, but the degree to which we are able to associate with him is limited by our degree of realization. For example, Krishna's pastimes are eternally going on in Vrindavan, but now they are unmanifest.
Only one with the vision described by Narottama das Thakur in Prarthana will see the land made of cintamani, the kalpa-vriksa trees, and Krishna performing His pastimes with His associates. In the same manner, Srila Prabhupada is here with us, but our ability to associate with him is limited by our degree of faith and realization.
[PADA: Exactly right! Some people see the pure devotee in his books, other people see pure devotees as: assorted deviants such as homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals, molesters, drunkards, and so on. When Hansadutta told Sridhara Maharaja he was having affairs and he was taking intoxicants, Sridhara Maharaja said, you have to go back and continue to be a guru or your followers will be discouraged. Great, we have to tell people to worship debauchees so they will not be discouraged! Sridhara Maharaja also helped save Ramesvara from resigning, helped keep Tamal, Jayatirtha and others the guru seat, and so on, in other words he keeps deviants in the guru seat.]
Is Everything In Srila Prabhupada's Books?
"Everything" is in Srila Prabhupada's books, and when properly understood, these books are sufficient in themselves for one to advance in Krsna consciousness and attain perfection. This does not mean that every piece of information is in Prabhupada's books, but that the methodology and instructions for attaining perfection in Krsna consciousness are.
[PADA: Yes, many people write to report that -- thank goodness they are reading the books -- because this has saved them from worshiping the Sridhara Maharaja endorsed illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Of course any average ten year old child knows that we cannot worship debauchees as acharyas, that is not proper understanding of God and His successors.]
If we faithfully follow the instructions given in these books we will imbibe the proper devotional conceptions and Krsna will reveal to us through His agents, the Vaishnavas and sadhus, those additional things that are necessary. (cf. Bg. 9.22 and C.c. Madhya-lila 22.54).
"I carry what you lack and preserve what you have." And "by even a moment's association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success." In Srila Prabhupada's letter of November 22, 1974 he offers encouraging words by stating that by such daily sincere reading of his books, everything will be revealed in time.
The problem arises in extracting, understanding and properly applying the many instructions therein.
[PADA: Yes, nowhere in the Vedas does it say we should worship conditioned souls as acharyas. Nor does it say that when these bogus acharyas are having illicit sex, taking intoxicants, and orchestrating beatings, molesting, bogus lawsuits, murders and assorted other crimes -- that we should sit back and "wait and see" as Sridhara Maharaja advised the GBC. We are witnessing a process of banning, beating, molesting, suing, murders and so many other crimes, and we need to "wait and see" -- waiting for -- what?
Why are we waiting for more people to become victims of these abuses?
There is only concern for preserving the false guru regime and not for the victims, of course that is also what happened after 1936 in India. They "waited," as more and more people were banned, beaten and killed. Why should we "wait and see" and enable and allow more victimization?]
Sastra is passive and the advanced devotee is the active principle in extracting the devotional conclusions. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, in his 1931 Harmonist article (The Harmonist, Dec. 1931, vol. XXIX No. 6), while extolling the virtues of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, emphatically states this same point. "One cannot simply read the words of Bhaktivinode Thakura; one must hear them from the lips of a pure devotee." An excerpt of this article, a very strong statement against the ritvik idea by our param guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, is presented at the end of this article.
[PADA: OK so we need to worship deviants as acharyas, and that is advice from the living lips or a pure devotee? Meanwhile, any ten year old child knows we cannot attain God by worship of debauchees?]
Simply repeating Srila Prabhupada's instructions or cutting and pasting them into papers without understanding them cannot substitute for realizing their essence by virtue of purely practicing them. The innumerable philosophical controversies amongst Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples and followers stand strongly as a testament to this. There is much confusion regarding proper understandings of jiva-tattva, guru-tattva, rasa-tattva and Vaisnava-tattva, just to name a few. This problem cannot be denied, and substantiates that we need continuous and properly qualified siksa, always.
Volumes of letters written by Srila Prabhupada in response to his disciples many very individual needs and specific questions further substantiates that the continuous flow of guidance is necessary throughout ones' spiritual life–Prabhupada did not tell his disciples to go look it up in a book. On the contrary, he stated:
One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.54,purp.)
The disciple, if he cannot understand the statement of the scriptures or any saintly person, he submits his doubts before the spiritual master and he clears it. In this way we have to make progress. (Montreal, July 9, 1968) By reading you cannot understand. (Bom. Jan. 8, 1977)
Question: Through a book can you contact the spiritual master?
Prabhupada: No, you have to associate.
Devotee: "Can you associate through a book?" she asked.
Prabhupada: Yes, through books and also personal. Because when you make a spiritual master you have got personal touch. Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual master concrete. So as soon as you make a spiritual master, you should be inquisitive. (RC London, Sept. 23, 1969)
The present uncertainty as to the proper guru system in some temples in ISKCON seems to be a managerial consideration, not a philosophical one. However, no amount of external arrangement can replace or satisfy our internal spiritual necessity.
In their attempts to propagate the ritvik misconception, the ritvik proponents, have not been able to provide a proper siddhantic explanation of this issue. Their engagement in mundane grammatical and logical debates reveals a lack of spiritual acquisition–realization seen through the eye of divine service. There is not a single example in our sampradaya nor by any of our acaryas, nor any other bonafide sampradaya where devotees take initiation from a guru by proxy after he has left this world.
The ritvik proponents continuously try to shun their burden of proof and instead state that there is "no scriptural reference indicating this ritvik practice is a deviation from siddhanta." When such a novel and unprecedented idea is introduced (initiation by a non-manifest personality) the Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition dictates that sastric references be provided to validate its authenticity. This has not been done.
In Srila Prabhupada's own words, such statements (even of the guru) which cannot be verified by sastra must be rejected along with the guru. (C.c. Madhya-lila 20.352, purp.). Thus if we follow the dry ritvik logic one step further, we arrive at a most unpleasant and unpalatable conclusion.
Bhaktivinoda Thakura has mentioned thirteen apasampradayas that deviate from the strict line of Sri Caitanya. The ritvik conception is ideologically closest to the Kartabhaja apasampradaya; one of these thirteen:
In Bangladesh, a new version of the Kartabhaja sect was founded by one Anukul Chandra. Posing himself as a Supreme Lord, Anukul Chandra has been worshipped by his followers as such. Specific features of his worship were his "Visvarupa darsanas," which centered on a very degraded practice. He is now dead, but his followers propagate that he can initiate latter-day devotees through preachers known as ritviks. New initiates must agree to follow the principles—be vegetarian once a week and worship no deity other than Anukul Chandra's picture.
The example of condemnation of an improper attitude and understanding of the guru principle provides illumination for the present day situation.
Virabhadra Goswami in a letter to Srinivasa Acarya ostracized one Jayagopala from Vaisnava society for claiming himself as a disciple of his param guru. This is described in Gaudiya Vaisnava Abhidhana, khanda 3.
Many devotees look to the ritvik idea as a new life-giving conception that will solve the biggest disaster in ISKCON—that of the guru issue. This is like seeing the external symptoms of a woman whose stomach is growing. Some may conceive that new life may arise from this, but actually it is only a tumor that will not bring about a new life but will only bring death to the woman herself. In the words of the most exalted and until recently, the seniormost Gaudiya Vaisnava on the planet, Srila Bhakti Promode Puri Goswami Maharaja, whose clear statement on the ritvik idea says it all, "It is the death of the sampradaya."
[PADA: Srila Bhakti Pramode Puri supported the idea that Jayapataka's (child molester) guru regime in Mayapura is bona fide. Did we forget to mention, Jayapataka is one of the people close to the poison complaint conspiracy where Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned? Why do Sridhara Maharaja's / Narayan Maharaja's etc. programs always go back to glorification of the cheer leaders of the molester messiahs process, the main suspects in the poisoning complaint from Prabhupada etc.?]
Lord Krsna once asked Duryodhana to go into the kingdom and bring back a person more qualified than himself, and He asked Yudhisthira to find a person less qualified than himself. After some time each returned alone: Duryodhana said that he could not find anyone more qualified than himself, and Yudhisthira said that everyone was more qualified than himself. Like Duryodhana, most ritvik proponents are representing that they alone are qualified to judge the (dis) qualifications of others. This kind of thinking is avaisnava and contrary to our devotional line — it is apa-sampradayic. If one lacks the realization to understand these many essential points, that does not mean that others do not understand these points.
[PADA: The ritviks should not judge that Sridhara's banning, beating, molesting and murdering guru process is bogus? That is how these folks enabled all these crimes, Sridhara complained that we dissenters are wrong to protest, and we should not protest. OK so people are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated, and "none should protest" --- which enables the criminals.]
The deliberate attempt to create and maintain Vaisnavas on the plane of lower adhikari (kanistha adhikari) – as is the case in ISKCON and among ritvik vadis, is a symptom of the incapacity to surrender and reach a higher plane of self abnegation, the plane where the greatest necessity is being served.
The essence of Bhagavad-gita is that we give up all our present conceptions and attachments and place ourselves at the disposal of the highest necessity of the Lord's agents.
The ritvik idea is a symptom of hrdaya-durbalya, the anartha of weakness of the heart that makes one unable to fully embrace the life of pure devotion.
Ritvik vadis wish to maintain the whole management and guru system on the level of lower adhikari. If one is really sincere and cannot tolerate impurity within the formal establishment, then one should accept an exclusive life of devotion (sannyasa) and establish a higher standard of purity. One must offer his impurity in the fire of sacrifice on behalf of the Lord.
The adhikari or spiritual standing of a devotee may be judged by his ideal or aspiration. The highest spiritual acquisition is not a matter of demand or right; it can only be sanctioned from the highest quarter, that of the Lord and His associates. "If God sees you are sincere, He will give you a spiritual master." (Rome, 6.23.74) In this endeavor it is all risk and no gain, for we cannot demand anything in return for our service. Pure devotional service is selfless.
The ritvik proponents are lacking a genuine spiritual aspiration. The underlying attitude of the ritvik idea is in essence abhakti, opposed to devotion, for it is indicative of a diseased condition to demand this connection with the plane of transcendence without proper qualifications.
Srila B. R. Sridhara Deva Goswami Maharaja has commented, "We cannot really help ourselves very much; because in our present state we are mainly guided by our previous samskara or acquired nature. This highest spiritual fortune is but a gracious grant from the Absolute Lord, and not a matter of right to be demanded or fought out." By cultivation of this mood of negativity (necessity) we attract the attention of the Lord. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu exemplifies this in the last verse of the Siksastaka, aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam... 'You may embrace me or trample me, but you will always be the only Lord of my life.'"
Devotees should realize that their difficulties are due to their own past misdeeds, and they should hope and pray that their situation be resolved (tat te'nukampam su-sumiksamano, Bhag. 10.14.8).
Eulogy of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura
[PADA: Even some "karmi" type person wrote me a few days ago saying he is appalled that the Krishna religion seems to allow all sorts of crimes going on left, right and center and the people do not take action to fix that.
Anyway, the ritviks are bogus because they worship a pure devotee and they do not worship Sridhara Maharaja's bi-sexual 1936 bogus guru, and his "later day saints" of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program. The ritviks do not worship debauchees as their messiahs, therefore they are "not in the parampara." Not in what parampara? ys pd]
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KAILASA UPDATE
PADA: Om, You guys just now said we are liars and fringies, which is how you guys made us targets "go get the liar crazy PTSD offender fools non-following fringies," and that is how you folks enabled the molesting, and that is how you folks helped eliminate Sulochana by saying he is a liar fringie, and you are still at it, calling us liar fringies, liar fools, to make us targets. And that is how you guys get us dissenting people KILLED, and that ENABLES the molesting.
PADA: Om, You guys just now said we are liars and fringies, which is how you guys made us targets "go get the liar crazy PTSD offender fools non-following fringies," and that is how you folks enabled the molesting, and that is how you folks helped eliminate Sulochana by saying he is a liar fringie, and you are still at it, calling us liar fringies, liar fools, to make us targets. And that is how you guys get us dissenting people KILLED, and that ENABLES the molesting.
Don't you have anything better to do than to make us targets, after you already have Sulochana's departure on your hands by saying he is a liar fringie? You said we were fringies then, you made us targets, and you still are calling us liar fringies NOW.
And Eric Johanson is your source, because he says we are fringies, while he was worshiping Hansadutta, who was saying Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and we "fringies" are offending the pure devotees. OK and Sulochana was murdered as a result. I would have been taken out myself without help from the FEDS. Why are you guys always citing this group as your authority?
I am quoting you guys here, so I am not sure how you can say I made this up? Meanwhile, Kailasa says that the books are post mortem because they do not deliver any divyam jnanam that destroys sins, and you failed to even address that either. So you are saying the same things the regime says, they also say the books are post mortem. Why are you their sock puppets? ys pd
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