Eric Johanson: Pranams. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Good Lord prabhu. I go to your blog to read about Mayapura, and I find myself practically listed as one of Sulocana prabhu's murderers. Apparently you got into it with one of Kailasa's chelas. Is this what devotee relations have come to - throwing about half-truths and omissions in order to "win?" Karandara supposedly said, "If this is what goes on in the spiritual world, I don't want to go." No doubt you have some half-truths for him too. Somehow brahmanas are supposed to disagree with love. Don't we all have a common goal? How does this stuff make Srila Prabhupada proud or pleased? It seems we are all missing the point of what the spiritual world is all about.
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PADA: Thanks prabhu. First of all Sulochana said the people (like you guys) criticizing us as bogus and "not following fringies" are painting targets on our backs, to have us eliminated. It seems self evident to us -- you Kailasa folks have been among those people. We are the fringe group "trouble makers" who are the offender outsiders, and the people inside the program are "the real followers." Where is the love there? Good question.
Of course that would mean the people worshiping a drunk who was having affairs with half dozen women in Berkeley are the real followers, as you were doing at the time. Kailasa's modern followers are also calling us bogus liars and etc., same way they suppressed our complaints about the abuse issue the whole time. It is amazing that they are proud they created mass child victimization by calling us liars, and they are self-evidently proud of their handiworks.
I had to save Hansadutta when one of his men wanted to go up to the farm and take him down, because Hansadutta was having an affair with this man's wife. And I convinced him -- it would not be worth it to throw his life away since his life would be ruined. So we are the fringed out and deviated people, and the real followers are worshiping a debauchee drunk.
And that drunk was also saying Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and he sent all of his people to West Virginia to worship that pure devotee, who was having a problem of abusing minors in his motorhome. And in fact abuse of all types was rampant on his campus. So we are not following, these people are? Why criticize us at all, when we are trying to eliminate abuse of hundreds or perhaps thousands of vulnerable victims.
The fact is, I saved Hansadutta's life and my work on the abuse issue also saved many children. To say we are the bogus fringies is helping -- their agenda -- all along since 1978, when you guys started calling us bogus fringies then. Read: you are still tethered to -- them. Same as Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks, we are opposing mass abuse, that makes us the liars, and bogus sahajiya gopis. The bona fide gopis support worshiping child abusers? WTF?
Then, three people from Hansadutta's / Kirtanananda's West Virginia crew came to take me out -- and they were arrested on Oregon street when they came to get me. The FEDS had been tapping their phones and the Berkeley PD put an undercover tail on me, otherwise I too would have been eliminated. The FEDS apologized and told me they had to use me "as bait." And the real reason we were being chased by these enforcers is? You guys, who we saying we are the bogus fringies. That means Sulochana is right -- you guys made us targets.
Now it is interesting -- we are fringies watching TV, when we both had none. You folks are liars. And this has been the whole problem isn't it? We are saying there is a mass abuse program going on, but so what, who cares, we are the bogus TV watching fringies -- while you guys are worshiping a debauchee drunk who thinks Kirtanananda / chief molester -- messiah / is the only pure devotee on the planet.
And that enables the mass abuse, doesn't it? What would it matter if I am the village drunk? Abuse of minors needs to be checked, it does not matter if the person advocating for minors is "strictly following" or not. We are not strict followers, but the people making the mass abuse are. That is the regime you guys created, clearly.
And that makes all of you -- who were painting us that way -- co-responsible for the results, namely horrific industrial levels of abuse -- and taking some of us out permanently. And later on we had to have the whole operation sued for $400,000,000 for that abuse -- which was not contained, thanks to people criticizing us and discrediting our complaints as bogus fringies. OK! As you guys have been doing.
And while we are having them sued, GBC people like Trivrikrama are gleefully handing out your guys writings. That means you guys are encouraging them and not us. And you are thereby discrediting our complaints about the abuse and so on.
In sum, Sulochana himself said you critic guys are painting targets on us, and he went down as a result. I too would have gone down without help from the FEDS. We have to judge by the results -- and these are the results. And then we had to sue them because the abuse of minors issue was simply side-lined while all this "there is no divyam jnanam in Krishna's words" nonsense was being made the main topic.
In the spiritual world, no one calls another person a fringed out bogus person -- to get them attacked and taken down with violence from a molester cult, plain and simple. This has nothing to do with spiritual anything, this was all designed to protect the Jim Jones / Jimmy Savile / pedo-loka abuse process, and that is all this was ever about ever, top to bottom.
And no one dares to cite Kailasa and say that Krishna's words contain no divyam jnanam in the spiritual world, rather they worship each and every syllable He speaks there. Anything Krishna says is giving pure knowledge that destroys illusion or sins. To say Krishna's words are not divyam jnanam that destroys sins is ATHEIST straight up.
Kailasa also complains we are like the bogus Christians, well yeah, the bogus Christian police saved me from his process. He is angry that we survived his process at all. As far as Kailasa saying he was helping Sulochana write his book. I never saw Kailasa in Berkeley, he was hiding out at the farm, plotting on how to steal the ISKCON money and cows. As he did.
Sulochana thought Kailasa was a "a paranoid nut job" who was always in hiding. And Sulochana agreed with me, Srila Prabhupada's vani is giving divyam jnanam that destroys sins, and that we should have continued to make his disciples on his behalf. Sulochana never said we should stop the process of deity pooja and have no poojaris and cooks, rather he said we should make more followers of Prabhupada and continue his process.
Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 initiated poojaris for Berkeley, Kailasa says we need zero, because he hates to see Krishna being worshiped self evidently. And that is why we never see Kailasa or his folks giving classes on how to do deity worship and so on, he has no plan for that to continue and neither does the GBC.
Which is why most temples have hardly any poojaris, or they have to let Narayan Maharaja people do poojas, or they hire "not very strict doughnut shop" Bengalis and etc. Whereas our people are conducting the deity poojas, and book publishing, book distribution, making devotees and temples and etc. Because these are the things Srila Prabhupada wanted us to be doing. Not sitting around belittling Krishna's words as devoid of divyam jnanam, which Kailasa and his crew do all day long for 45 years.
Kailasa says anyone who is getting divyam jnanam that destroys sins from Srila Prabhupada is being cheated, which is why the GBC has been circulating his papers in 1990 at their GBC meeting, and to their followers. And the followers still send me his stuff from time to time. He is a parrot of Tamal, and always has been most of his life.
Lets face it, Kailasa is infuriated when he sees people doing nice pooja to Krishna by following Prabhupada, because he is with the regime. And that explains why he steals ISKCON money and cows, just like them, because he is them. And Kaliasa writes for Rocana, who says the GBC's "voting in guru" system is bona fide, although we need better enforcement of containing their deviations. Why is Kailasa writing for folks in that system? I forgot, that is the GBC system root and branch.
Kailasa wanted no one to be initiated to do the deity pooja, because his plan is to place Krishna is an empty ghetto, which his plan has done factually. Hansadutta had the big marble Krishna deities in his shed along with his dirty underwear, a mass of empty beer cans and Vodka bottles, and Jimmy Hendrix CDs. No one even knows where those deities are now? They were parked under a carport for some time.
That is the way your "no more poojaris and cooks" program ends up having Krishna treated. And anyone who has Krishna treated like this will end up living in a ghetto themselves -- for thousands of future lives.
And now Kailasa followers are still laughing and joking how we are liars and fringed out bogus people, because that is how you guys discredited us all along AND ENABLED THE ABUSE. And that is how come we had to have the GBC operation / same operation as Kailasa has been writing papers for -- sued for said abuse.
And that is why so many young people become victims of this horrible situation, which Kailasa co-created by being their paper writing ditto head hand maiden. You guys made our complaints nullified -- nonsense from the fringies -- to the peril of the gurukula children, for which all of you will be held accountable eventually in the higher courts of God.
In sum, Kailasa is a sock puppet of Tamal. There is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins, Krishna's words are null and void, and anyone who thinks there is potency there -- is apa-siddhanta and is being cheated. Anyone criticizing the abuse is a fringie, etc. All of which was spoken by Kailasa's actual acharya Tamal.
If there is one thing I am not, it is a disciple of Tamal. Kailasa was only able to steal a small amount of ISKCON money, while Tamal stole more, but they are the same, big crooks and little crooks. Exploiters in both cases. And both of them tried to paint us as the fringe trouble makers when we addressed the abuse issue -- to save the industrial level abuse program, which they did.
Anyway! We are making new followers of Prabhupada now, and Kailasa does not like that, because he and Tamal are self evidently on the same page. We had to address the abuse, and they tried to check us by attacking our character.
Checking people who are addressing abuse is aiding and abetting said abuse, and that makes them liable for the results. I am not knowingly making any half-truths or omissions here that I know of. If anything here is not accurate, please tell me where -- and we will correct it.
Sulochana's mom said she was crying when she heard you guys calling her son a fringie, she said -- that is how they got him taken away from her. All you guys do is make people cry all day long, either children victims, women victims, or the mother's of departed victims etc.
And Jadurani said Kailasa is another sergeant major bossy boots misogynist, which is what many GBC leaders are guilty of. Ditto heads. And their system makes thousands of women avoid ISKCON. Jadurani has been crying, children victims also crying, Sulochana's mom also crying. So who makes Vaishnavas cry? You guys.
What does Krishna say about people who make Vaishnavas cry? They are doomed. I would not want to be among that group. And Sulochana said he would not trade his past two billion years of bad karma for one second of the future karma of the GBC and their (de facto or direct) help mates. He also believed his opponents were calling him fringie to -- save the child abuse system. And he thought that is the worst karma in the universe -- to have Krishna's own children beat, tortured and molested. Most heinous crime ever in history, most severe punishment from Yamaraja ever in history.
If you guys had any honor at all, you would apologize for being among the fringie name calling group, which Sulochana said -- enables abuse and will end up making me departed untimely. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. And it does enable abuse and does cause us to be targets.
Self evident facts. Sorry, these are all facts as far as I know. I lived it, I for one should know what went down here. And someone else just asked me, is this not like the Jim Jones cult? Why would anyone even ask me such a question, at all? Even they can see what went down here, it is not just me.
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
PADA: Yes, when there is a time gap you worship the last link, and you are not saying there is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins, when Krishna Himself says His jnanam saves people from sins. Who is the physical master? Kailasa never says. He is bluffing, there is none. And when one does not name the guru, he is making himself the guru.
ReplyDeleteOn the other, Kailasa is writing "position papers" for the GBC's physical masters, who are operating an abuse regime. Abuse regimes have nothing to do with pancaratrika, diksha, or anything else, they are criminals posing as saints. And Kailasa stole ISKCON money and cows so he is a little thief, and Tamal is a big thief, but they are one in sum and substance.
Yes, worshiping Krishna and his pure devotee is a fools paradise, we need to worship the sampradaya that cannot even name their source of divyam jnanam that destroys sins, they have none. Saying Krishna is not giving divyam jnanam that destroys sins -- is what the pasandis are saying. ys pd
Thanks BE: So the people who are exposing molesting are bogus fringies, and we need to write papers for the regime -- to help the regime. Why is it a good idea to enable abuse regimes?
ReplyDeleteAnd he also steals ISKCON money and cows. You keep posting an article that has no relevance to the discussion, i.e. Kailasa says there is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins in Krishna's words -- and anyone who accepts that is being cheated.
Because when Krishna says His words will take sins -- Krishna is a liar. Worse, anyone who reads Krishna's words and believes them is -- apa-siddhanta, which explains why the GBC loves Kailasa's writings.
He is with them. Kailasa says what they say, and they therefore promote his writings at their meetings, not ours.
Saying the people who expose molesting are bogus fringies -- is what the regime says. Why are you guys their parrots? Eric Johanson says the same thing, the people exposing the molesting are fringies, and there is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins, which would make Krishna a liar. Why does Kailasa keep saying there is no divyam jananam that destroys sins in Krishna words, and that it is cheating to say it is?
That means he is saying Krishna is a cheater, and we are cheaters for repeating Him. And the molesting victims say that Kailasa is a cheater for assisting the abuse regime by writing for them. And the Berkeley devotees are angry that he stole their money and cows, making him the cheater, not Krishna etc. ys pd