ISKCON's Children "Mundane Political" Items? (Eric Johanson Update)

PADA: Don't really want to pick on Eric Johanson in particular, but he is typical of thousands of people who have opposed me over the years. And he gives the same typical arguments as those thousands of people. So I am addressing him as a typical representative of my opponents, he is just one of them. 

Pranams. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Puranjana prabhu, I am just a follower. 

PD: Well there is the whole question right there, who are you following? It seems you often give the same identical arguments as Kailasa and his GBC compadres, for example that he is NOT accepting the idea that "divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha)" is still available now. He says it is not available, Tamal says it is not available, which means Srila Prabhupada's books are now post mortem. This is the same argument of the GBC people. Why are you their parrots?

Worse -- lets review Kailasa's "official diksha initiated" pals who are "actually diksha connected eternally." Oh, I forgot, many of his official diksha initiated pals are the people who started all the pedo-pooja molesting process. 

Our people are not pedo-worshipers, so therefore they are NOT connected to Krishna -- because they worship the pure devotee. Worse, anyone who worships a pure devotee is being cheated and is apa-sampradaya. Tamal's parrots? 

Whereas! Anyone who promotes Tamal's pedo-worship is officially connected by the process of diksha. My media friends are frankly disgusted with your entire lot. 

Why is it always the same thing with ALL you guys, the pedo-pooja pals program folks are ACTUAL diksha connected, whereas our people -- worshiping pure devotees -- are not diksha connected? And why do you folks never explain why this is the case? 

Sorry, your official diksha rubber stamp idea is bogus, the people who ACTUALLY follow are ACTUALLY diksha connected and not the pedo-messiah pals program. And that is why your folks ideas and papers are being distributed by the GBC (the pedo-pooja-ites), because you are authenticating them and discrediting us Prabhupadanugas.

I came to the temple within a month of Srila Prabhupada's departure. I followed the books in regard to accepting the authority of one of his advanced disciples. Unfortunately that has been shown to be a contradiction of terms. The "leaders" have been either deviants from the siddhanta, abusive or both. The good disciples take a humble position while acting ideally. They are extremely rare.

PD: Well that is true. Most devotees have challenged me all along from every camp, and some of them wanted to end my existence. 

What has happened due to the deviant pretenders is that the mass of followers have divided themselves into warring factions - sectarianism. Each faction therefore has its bullies, often the leader. These people see as their "service" the pounding of all opposing voices. 

PD: Fine, but Srila Prabhupada is one of the most prominent of those warring people. He has been raging against every camp you could imagine, and he spoke ill of all sorts of bogus gurus, swamis and avatars when we were in India -- all the time. 

"We pass urine in his face," "they are cockroach acharyas," and so on, and all the time. Krishna Himself battles all sorts of factions when He is here. And they all had their bullies and etc. That does not mean we should simply sit back and allow abuse of gurukula students, allow people to worship debauchees, drunks and dope heads as acharyas etc. -- and do nothing. 

Allowing and enabling all that is how we came to the current state. The people who did not oppose Draupadi being insulted were condemned and doomed. And ISKCON has been condemned and doomed when it did not protest its deviations. 

And that is why we have many of the pedo-infrastructure people still running Mayapur, not enough people went to war with them. That is the result of your idea of acquiescing and not going to war. And there has also been a war against the ISKCON children in general, also not checked because compromised people did not want to resist the regime. To the peril of the children. And ISKCON.

Facts - first, I never called Sulocana or you a fringie. If you weren't watching TV please forgive me. That's what I was told. Second - I haven't been associated with Kailasa Candra since 2012. You're linking me to support for what his chelas say or child abuse or Tamal or the ISKCON institution or the murder of Sulocana is what you do so well - bullying.

PD: Well the things you are saying, for example that divyam jnanam that destroys sins is a cheating idea, are the same things Kailasa -- and his GBC mentors like Tamal are saying. And saying we are TV fringies are what -- all of them -- have been saying. Apart from that, what would it matter if we are watching TV fringies? 

We are saying the children are in peril, and that is the thing everyone evidently ignored. All they worry about is, are these people watching TV or not? Who gives a flying cr*p when we are addressing a crisis among small children. 

OK, we were bullying people to address the children's crisis, so we would not get the karma of being the program's defenders or enablers for starters, and be condemned by Krishna like He condemns the compromised Kauravas. To be honest, the karma for suppressing our complaints about child abuse is going to take our opponents to a much worse place than the Kauravas ever imagined. I dread to even contemplate where people like Kailasa will go for writing position papers for a mass child abuse regime. It won't be nice.

Serious devotees don't engage in party spirit sectarian conflict in this manner.

PD: Yep, serious devotees allow dope heads, drunks, porno swamis, pervs, molesters, various Andy Warhol, Jimmy Savile, Timothy Leary, Charles Manson and Jim Jones disciples etc. to sit in Krishna's Vyasa seats and be worshiped as good as God. And they write papers for that party like Kailasa did in 1990. And they argue with me when I oppose all that. Self evidently, they have no clue who God is, since they have no idea who His successor is. Or worse, they think assorted debauchees, drunks and dope heads are Krishna's successors. Anyone who does not think Jimmy Savile is the acharya is a sectarianist. OK then, when children are mass molested -- then you are responsible for that process because you are enabling it by suppressing us as sectarianists, fringies etc. 

"The eleventh obstacle of the Vaishnavas is sectarianism, which takes the shape of the forest fire. Due to sectarianism, a person cannot accept anyone outside of their own group as a Vaishnava, and as a result, they face many obstacles in finding a guru and associating with devotees. Therefore extinguishing the forest fire is most important." Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura,"

PD: Then why are you arguing with me at all?

I am just trying to be a devotee. 

PD: Then ask me before you accept rumor mongering about me and Sulochana first, that is merely common mature adult etiquette. You never asked me anything in all this time. And it is only by accident that your false ideas surfaced somewhere else -- that we are even discussing this now. It means you are bad mouthing us all this time, which helps the regime by discrediting us. Sulochana said you guys were also discrediting us as fringies to make us targets of violence, and that has ALSO proven 100% correct. Sulochana said you folks are calling us fringies to PAINT A BULL's EYE ON MY BACK, as you folks did.

Please keep me out of whatever "rasa" you and Kailasa have cultivated for all these decades. I've seen enough bullying and conflict.

PD: But you started the conflict by promoting the siddhanta of Kailasa and branding us as fringies? And in sum promoting the lies of the people who oppose me and Sulochana, without ever having the courtesy of consulting if the info is even correct or not.

What you are doing to me is little more than what mundane politicians do - admit nothing and slander the (sectarian) "opposition" so they look worse than you. 

PD: OK so children are being abused, books are being changed, and Srila Prabhupada makes a poison complaint -- and all of ISKCON's "devotees" keep telling me my addressing all this is mundane politics. And that is why all these issues don't get resolved. 

For starters, children are neither mundane nor political objects and items, and it is astonishing that so many "devotees" like yourself keep insisting that children's welfare is simply some mundane political issue, and I am a mundane political person for advocating for these children. That is how you folks sabotaged our complaints. Did I forget to mention Tamal also said we are "into politics"? Why are the followers of Kailasa his parrots?  

So what happens next? All of you nay sayers who ganged up against us -- will be be born as future children -- being exploited -- and anyone who advocates for you will be called mundane politicians, you will reap what you sowed in equal measure, perhaps with interest compounded. And if the regime you helped either directly or indirectly harmed Krishna's children, and Kailasa is writing papers for them, and you are parroting his arguments, then Lord have mercy on your souls is about all we can say.

And what you folks collective sowed is an absolute misery for thousands of kids by cutting off our complaints as mundane politics etc. Children are not mundane, nor political, and that is why they ended up in dire conditions, they were treated as mundane political objects, cattle going off to the cattle auction, and not as human beings, never mind not treated as devotees. Child welfare is not mundane politics and anyone who says children are simply mundane political items -- when they are being sent off to the gulags, will end up as a future child being sent off to the gulags themselves. They will reap what they sowed.

Real devotees like Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura don't do these things to others. You are also very skilled at playing the victim, another thing politicians do, as if anyone outside of your group is responsible for your persecution or child abuse.

PD: Of course our opponents are responsible for the child abuse. If we are advocating for children, and we are being opposed, then all of the people opposing are collectively responsible for the odious results for children. Just like when I was a kid -- the people who exposed the cigarette companies in the 1950s were opposed, sometimes sued and so on -- and all of those who opposed these 1950s exposers -- helped spread lung cancer all over the place. 

Anyone who harasses the exposers of crimes against children is responsible for the results, of course. This is common sense known to the common man. Yes, the people who suppress complaints of child abuse are responsible for the resulting abuse. That is FACT. And that is what the media people who just interviewed me said, anyone who opposed you is responsible for the mass abuse, they enabled it. 

All this stuff about divyam jnanam. If you are any kind of representative for getting that, I don't want it.

PD: Yep, well the people who say there is no longer any "divyam jnanam that destroys sins" (diksha) are basically atheists. I'm not too worried about their opinion one way or the other. They cannot spread the religion, and they are often living in some isolated situation with no program. They have no potency to do anything or fix anything. 

And all sorts of devotees like you have told me that my interest in child welfare is simply mundane politics, and the way these children ended up is the result of your collective careless and cavalier attitudes. The victims know you folks viewed them as mundane political objects, if not cattle going off to the slaughter, and not as humans, and they tell me that regularly. 

I remember you well because you gave me The Guru Business. Is this really what devotee relations have come to? I didn't attack you. One of Kailasa's chelas apparently only quoted me. Your servant, bhakta Eric. 

If you're honest, you'll add this to your blog.

PD: OK so you were told all sorts of things about me and Sulochana, but you folks never once asked me for my version of events. You heard something, you told someone else what you heard, and they printed that, and no one ever asks me what is the correct version. That means evidently, you had no interest of intent in finding out my version. 

So Kailasa stole the farm money, stole the cows, treated women badly, and then wrote papers for the GBC. None of these things are making ANY devotees happy with his program anywhere. And I am bullying the people who are saying that there is no more divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) in Srila Prabhupada's works, because that is clearly atheism from the view of guru, sadhu and shastra. Why should I not challenge the atheists? And the people who write papers for an abuse regime?

And you are saying the same thing, anyone who believes that they are getting divyam jnanam that destroys sins from Srila Prabhupada is being cheated and so on. That means you are saying Krishna is a cheater because He says whoever accepts His instructions will be freed of sins. I do not ascribe to the idea that Krishna is a cheater. And again, remember -- your mentor is writing papers for -- the child abuser's program's leaders, or their sicophant Rocana. A man is known by whom he supports.  

Nor do I think that we should stop having initiated devotees do the pooja, and we should have the deities locked up in a shed with Hansadutta's dirty laundry, or have them no longer getting proper pooja with anyone else. If you wanted to know my opinion, you would have asked me ages ago. 

You wanted to run off with the cattle rustler / ISKCON money stealing / misogynist / who writes papers for the GBC / and Rocana / and who believes Krishna is a liar for saying His jnana will destroy sins (diksha). You got what you wanted. 

And all the other people who opposed me got what they wanted, ISKCON became an Andy Warhol / Jim Jones / David Koresh / Timothy Leary / Charles Manson cult, because that is what they collectively wanted it to become. Krishna fulfils all wishes, and He did. And all the people who opposed us, co-created that system, whatever so called faction they are part of. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com