“The gopis saw their beloved Krishna at Kurukshetra after a long separation. They secured and embraced Him in their hearts through their eyes, and they attained a joy so intense that not even perfect yogis can attain it. The gopis cursed the creator for creating eyelids that interfered with their vision." – Chaitanya-Charitamrita Adi-lila 4.153
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SHARING - Please feel free to share your thoughts.
Luckily Matiz and I got out of it. We are still Vaishnavas, thats our preference in terms of Dharma Practice and Bhav. Thats our faith due to our own experiences and knowledge. Not everything about being a devotee is foolish, abusive, or wrong. Vaishnava-dharma is a legitimate way to practice love of God, its a faith, and a view on life. it has a role in the religious landscape of reality.
Why failed? Despite having the some information and instruction on the practice of Vaishnava dharma, it has become apparent that this has not produced in them the required spiritual insight and wisdom to simply stand for goodness and truth. They chose instead to protect child abusers, and allow child abuse to become a norm.
First rule of a good revolution, Stop following STUPID rules and start speaking TRUTH and NEVER submit to False-Gurus.
One who has not attained Samadhi cannot teach another about the truths therein. One who has not had darshana of the Mantra-Devata cannot pass on the Mantra. These are the rules and truths related to GURU-Tattva.
Guru-tattva malpractice has ruined ISKCON, and it previously ruined the Gaudiya-math as well. I think the only way forward is to allow Sri Guru to manifest himself naturally and cease the programs that have been running in guise of Guru-Disciple relations.
I offer my obeisances to Sri NItyanada Rama, The Avadhuta, the Highest reality, and the one who is the one who is the only one who is Sri Guru complete. It is he alone that ones submission must be absolute for he is the TRUTH of who we really are.
Suddha-Sattva mayo Visnu
Kalyana Guna Sagara
Narayana Parama Brahma
Vipranam devatam Harih
Om Hram hrim hrum Daso'Ham So'Ham Hamsah hrsikesaya Sarvatmane namah Svaha!
My Account of Prabhupad's Passing
12/14/97
USA (VNN) - Raghunatha Anudas - This is my account of Prabhupad's passing.
This morning, I had breakfast with a leading devotee. We talked of guru-kulis today and our childhood's past. We happened upon my days in Vrindavan from `76 to 82. She asked if I had been there at the time of Prabhupada's passing. I had. I relayed how I had been there at the foot of Prabhupad's bed during the entire afternoon until his passing at 7:20 pm. I was 12 years old at the time. There are a great many things I remember from that day but there are two things that stood out in my mind. After discussing it, we thought the community of devotees would also appreciate my account.
The first has to do with the massages devotees were giving Prabhupad. I clearly remember them because I too had massaged Prabhupad repeated throughout that afternoon. His lotus feet. I debated this carefully. Should I ask someone or just reach under the sheets and begin. I did. Many devotees were taking Prabhupad's hands and massaging them. None asked.
By Abhimanyu Das - Australia
Sitting here realizing that the past 2 years has been a process of exiting a cult. A cult where I was Groomed and prepared to accept the authority of another man over myself and my wife. I was prepared to serve a "Mission" and not given a proper education nor adequate life skills to meet the challenges of life with awareness and security. I have roamed "post-mayapur" trying so hard to figure out who I am and what I am actually supposed to do with my life.
Luckily Matiz and I got out of it. We are still Vaishnavas, thats our preference in terms of Dharma Practice and Bhav. Thats our faith due to our own experiences and knowledge. Not everything about being a devotee is foolish, abusive, or wrong. Vaishnava-dharma is a legitimate way to practice love of God, its a faith, and a view on life. it has a role in the religious landscape of reality.
The Cult we left is a structure of belief and bureaucracy. Actually a failed system of false Gurus, GBC, Temple presidents, and sycophants rubberstamped by fallen souls who lack genuine wisdom and experiential knowledge to implement the age old religious path of Vaishnavism.
Why failed? Despite having the some information and instruction on the practice of Vaishnava dharma, it has become apparent that this has not produced in them the required spiritual insight and wisdom to simply stand for goodness and truth. They chose instead to protect child abusers, and allow child abuse to become a norm.
Grooming is the actual term for how we got raised in Mayapur up till my initiations (At which point I became irrelevant). That was something going on for all of us. I have only just started understanding how wrong this all has been. How much pain so many of my friends and family are going through acknowledging this reality.
I still go to my local SICK-CON temple to support my wife and her desire to serve our community. We also go to the Gaudiya math and sometimes the Govinda dhama for Kirtan and prasad-seva. We love the devotees in general. We love Krsna, prasad, kirtan, and the beauty of Krsna-Bhakti is full of wonderful qualities.
Bhakti enhances our lives and brings us into a wonderful appreciation for everything that occurs, even our traumas. However, The "Hare Krsna" community has a lot of work to do in order to rectify the past and prevent the repetition of past mistakes, an outcome I think we all can see coming based on how things are being handled. Business as usual. Nothing will change unless we implement the changes in our family and community.
First rule of a good revolution, Stop following STUPID rules and start speaking TRUTH and NEVER submit to False-Gurus.
Guru is one who has attained Samadhi
Guru is one has connection to a bona fide Lineage of Gurus.
Guru is one who achieved Mantra-siddhi
Guru is one who has knowledge of Sastra and Sad-Acara
Guru is one who can guide on across the ocean of Mental / Illusions.
Guru is the incarnation of the Mercy of Bhagavan - Anugraha / Saktyavesha.
Guru is not under any rule or regulation but makes suitable programs for disciples to get themselves out of their troubles and into Krsna seva.
Guru is one has connection to a bona fide Lineage of Gurus.
Guru is one who achieved Mantra-siddhi
Guru is one who has knowledge of Sastra and Sad-Acara
Guru is one who can guide on across the ocean of Mental / Illusions.
Guru is the incarnation of the Mercy of Bhagavan - Anugraha / Saktyavesha.
Guru is not under any rule or regulation but makes suitable programs for disciples to get themselves out of their troubles and into Krsna seva.
One who has not attained Samadhi cannot teach another about the truths therein. One who has not had darshana of the Mantra-Devata cannot pass on the Mantra. These are the rules and truths related to GURU-Tattva.
Guru-tattva malpractice has ruined ISKCON, and it previously ruined the Gaudiya-math as well. I think the only way forward is to allow Sri Guru to manifest himself naturally and cease the programs that have been running in guise of Guru-Disciple relations.
I offer my obeisances to Sri NItyanada Rama, The Avadhuta, the Highest reality, and the one who is the one who is the only one who is Sri Guru complete. It is he alone that ones submission must be absolute for he is the TRUTH of who we really are.
Suddha-Sattva mayo Visnu
Kalyana Guna Sagara
Narayana Parama Brahma
Vipranam devatam Harih
Om Hram hrim hrum Daso'Ham So'Ham Hamsah hrsikesaya Sarvatmane namah Svaha!
To all my friends who have gone through this system I bow to you and what you have endured. I pray you find peace and joy in this life by casting off the shackles and shame they have artificially placed upon you. I wish you health and happiness surrounded by loving family and friends who wish you the best ... and that only.
May Krsna always bless you for all your sincere service efforts and the courage to take care of yourself for real.
PADA: Sick-con. Yep, about sums it up. Someone else just said to me that if the GBC is down to having fools like Krishna Kirti and Gopal Krishna's India ICC pedophile acharya's loyalists defend the ISKCON guru ship, they are doomed. Almost everyone else who used to defend them -- like Badrinarayan, Hrdayananda, Satsvarupa, Ravindra Swarupa, Trivrikrama swami, Prithu and others -- have nothing much to say these days. If anything, they are laying low, at least in the USA.
May Krsna always bless you for all your sincere service efforts and the courage to take care of yourself for real.
PADA: Sick-con. Yep, about sums it up. Someone else just said to me that if the GBC is down to having fools like Krishna Kirti and Gopal Krishna's India ICC pedophile acharya's loyalists defend the ISKCON guru ship, they are doomed. Almost everyone else who used to defend them -- like Badrinarayan, Hrdayananda, Satsvarupa, Ravindra Swarupa, Trivrikrama swami, Prithu and others -- have nothing much to say these days. If anything, they are laying low, at least in the USA.
They seem know -- their whole "guru" thing has been exposed as basically a Mayapur and / or other "guru schools" pedophile grooming systems, and not much more than that. And defending that system is "defending the indefensible."
They cannot explain why -- they made sexual perverts into gurus, why there has been rampant -- if not industrial levels of -- child abuse, why so many people abandoned ship, why so many people are skeptical of their gurus, why they created so many media scandals and giant lawsuits, why they created giant manpower and funds spin offs like Sridhara and Narayan cults -- and thereby made thousands of people leave ISKCON and etc. Because there is no good explanation. They deviated, and that is increasingly clear to one and all.
This devotee said, the ISKCON leaders think because they are maybe millionaires they are protected, but Coronel Sanders -- who was in charge of Kentucky Fried Chicken -- was also a multi-million dollar big important man, but that does not save him from taking birth as a chicken on a chicken farm. They just don't believe in Krishna now, but they will have to some day.
ys pd
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NEW VRNDAVAN VS TOVP
UPDATE: "After less than 24 hours, the TOVP poll results have been tallied, and the vast majority of the New Vrndavan community has declined to support the TOVP coming to New Vrindaban to fund raise. If anyone still undecided would like more information, please reach out to Jaya.krsna@newvrindaban.com.
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NEW VRNDAVAN VS TOVP
UPDATE: "After less than 24 hours, the TOVP poll results have been tallied, and the vast majority of the New Vrndavan community has declined to support the TOVP coming to New Vrindaban to fund raise. If anyone still undecided would like more information, please reach out to Jaya.krsna@newvrindaban.com.
We would like to thank everyone for taking the time to voice their opinion. The TOVP organizers have been informed of the results. Hare Krishna! Your servant, Jaya Krsna das.
Polling Results
77 no
12 yes
4 unsure
5 need more information
* * * Jaya Krsna, temple president of New Vrindaban, is asking devotees to vote on allowing the TOVP to come to New Vrindaban, although he makes it seem like it's a done deal saying the TOVP have already "made plans": "Hare Krishna dear Brijbasis, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. As summer approaches, we eagerly anticipate the annual 24 Hour Kirtan on June 17th. Guests from all over will flood New Vrindaban as we will be taken into the ocean of the Holy Names of Krishna. Organizers of the TOVP (Temple of the Vedic Planetarium) have made plans to visit New Vrindaban and have requested to show a presentation before the festivities begin.
As most know, the TOVP has been the center of recent controversy. Two devotees (who were engaged in TOVP service for many years) were implicated in cases of child abuse. Although they no longer serve the TOVP, many devotees are still hurt by them and are processing this information. The most auspicious padukas (shoes) of Lord Nityananda and silver helmet of Lord Nrsimhadeva are traveling along with this group of devotees — which includes the illustrious and beloved Jananivas Prabhu.
We want to facilitate these devotees in a way that is respectful while remaining sensitive to our community’s needs and desires. Please vote with the link below if you would like to welcome the TOVP crew to New Vrindaban. The temple will follow the outcome of this poll. The poll allows you to attend a Zoom call on the topic if you need more information before making your decision.
https://form.jotform.com/231428178317155
Hare Krishna. Your servant, Jaya Krsna das" Jaya Krsna states above that "two devotees (who were engaged in TOVP service for many years) were implicated in cases of child abuse. Although they no longer serve the TOVP..." He is referring to BHAVANANDA and SATADHANYA who are very much involved in the TOVP project on a day-to-day basis right now.
Satadhanya works out of the public and visible Fundraising office, and Bhavananda controls the design of the TOVP. Any design decision must be approved by Bhavananda. Brajavilas, TOVP Fundraising Director, is trying to raise money in North America, and many of the North American leaders are letting him in, without fact-checking his misinformation.
I have fact checked by speaking with devotees who work in the TOVP. Not only have these devotees confirmed that Bhavananda and Satadhanya are involved, but these TOVP devotees are also upset about it. One devotee said, "Ask anyone in Mayapur. Everyone knows Bhavananda and Satadhanya work for the TOVP."
This is a trusted position of authority and until we act with our voices and our money, Bhavananda and Satadhanya will continue to be glorified in Mayapur, within the TOVP, and in the Mayapur community. Note: Bhavananda is currently in Australia right now dealing with a new huge child abuse lawsuit against ISKCON that he is implicated in. Is this someone we want representing ISKCON?
Please vote NO in allowing the TOVP to come to New Vrindaban. Anyone can vote. To help you make an informed decision, please read about the great harm these two people have done to children in our ISKCON society: Satadhanya https://docs.google.com/.../1YTGDnKVzhAvku7KTI65MpFLwV0GQ... Bhavananda https://docs.google.com/.../1A0Nu_vMGKxLUBDI... PHOTO, left to right: Satadhanya, Bhavananda, Radhanath Swami, Ambarisa.
PADA: Well yep, but industrial levels of child abuse means, more than two people are involved as implicated in the regime. Lots more are involved, and they are people like Jayapataka, Dayarama and so many more. My friend says when he goes to his USA temple they are always begging him to take initiation from people like Jayapataka, because then he could do the deity pooja.
PADA: Well yep, but industrial levels of child abuse means, more than two people are involved as implicated in the regime. Lots more are involved, and they are people like Jayapataka, Dayarama and so many more. My friend says when he goes to his USA temple they are always begging him to take initiation from people like Jayapataka, because then he could do the deity pooja.
And they tell him, the main people doing the pooja now are older and some have severe physical problems, so the deity program is collapsing. He told me, they just don't get it? People are not coming to take initiation from them, because they know someone like Jayapataka is the leader of a pedophile cult. Taking initiation from him would be like taking initiation from Satan, why would anyone want to do that? He said one day all of them are going to wake up, and realize they have been living in a bad dream and not reality, either this life or the next.
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My Account of Prabhupad's Passing
12/14/97
USA (VNN) - Raghunatha Anudas - This is my account of Prabhupad's passing.
This morning, I had breakfast with a leading devotee. We talked of guru-kulis today and our childhood's past. We happened upon my days in Vrindavan from `76 to 82. She asked if I had been there at the time of Prabhupada's passing. I had. I relayed how I had been there at the foot of Prabhupad's bed during the entire afternoon until his passing at 7:20 pm. I was 12 years old at the time. There are a great many things I remember from that day but there are two things that stood out in my mind. After discussing it, we thought the community of devotees would also appreciate my account.
The first has to do with the massages devotees were giving Prabhupad. I clearly remember them because I too had massaged Prabhupad repeated throughout that afternoon. His lotus feet. I debated this carefully. Should I ask someone or just reach under the sheets and begin. I did. Many devotees were taking Prabhupad's hands and massaging them. None asked.
But they were all leading devotees. Upendra, Prabhupada's servant, for a time. He brought his boy to join him. There were others. Manihara - maybe. After rubbing Prabhupad's feet on and off over the course of several hours, I stopped. Not because of boredom or philosophical concerns but something so much more dreadful. Was this painful to Srila Prabhupada?
In both my experience of touching Prabhupad and seeing his reaction to others, it seemed as if Prabhupad was pulling away every time someone tried to massage him. This was very significant for besides this, Prabhupad had been motionless.
In both my experience of touching Prabhupad and seeing his reaction to others, it seemed as if Prabhupad was pulling away every time someone tried to massage him. This was very significant for besides this, Prabhupad had been motionless.
It was so obvious, that Narayan Maharaj had even commented upon it. He said something to the effect that Prabhupad was "dancing with the gopis." I did not have such transcendental vision. My reaction both then and now was, is, that these massages were causing a great deal discomfort to Prabhupada.
PADA: Narayana Maharaja because my worst critic when I bought out the poison issue. He said I was making offenses etc. But he was right there at the scene of the crime self-evidently, as the poison was apparently being administered to Srila Prabhupada.
He knew more about this issue than I ever could have known at the time. He was right there. "Dancing with the gopis" or being systematically poisoned? And then NM became the topmost bucket boy for Tamal's cabal, and NM said he was "the dear Tamal tree of Radha." Something horrible was going down, and he thought it was dancing with the gopis, just like he endorsed Tamal's pedophile guru regime as dancing with the gopis. Nope and nope!
Prabhupada's dance with the gopis seemed to coincide - exclusively - with these massages. Many devotees may recall the reports that Prabhupad had no fat left on his bones. It was nothing more then skin lying directly on nerves and muscles. Prabhupad's skin was therefore extremely sensitive. I stopped massaging Prabhupad when I saw Upendra restraining Prabhupada's hand after Prabhupad had pulled away from him. Not once. Nor twice. But several times. It made such an impression upon me that I decided then: I would give specific directions for my own passing. Do not massage me. I remember -vividly - to this day.
Not surprisingly, the most dramatic incident of the day was the moment of Prabhupad's passing. This too appeared to me quite different then other official accounts. Once again, it concerns the "service" the devotees were offering to Srila Prabhupad. There was a long spouted container (but quite small) that held holy water taken from the sacred rivers and kunda's from around India. This container would poor less then a small teaspoon of water at a time. The devotees would do so when Prabhupada opened his mouth as he did every so often in 20 minute to couple hour intervals. Again, this too was looked upon as quite eventful. This was the only other interaction the devotees saw from Prabhupada.
The last devotee to share in this, a sannyasi, was administrating the water. (He remains a leading sannyasi today and so I will not use his name.) But this time, Prabhupada was opening his mouth much more frequently. Instead of opening every 20 minutes or so, Prabhupad was opening every few, then every couple. This created something of a stir from the devotees. Prabhupad was once again accepting some service. Prabhupad was taking water. This devotee continued with a sense that Prabhupad was thirsty and almost requesting more water. For a moment there, it seemed as if Prabhupad was coming to. But suddenly, another devotee, Manihar, also standing there at the head of Prabhupada's bed, grabbed the devotee's hand. "Stop! Prabhupada can't breath." This poor sannyasi looked to Manihara. Mortified. "What?" He asked. Again Manihara said. "Prabhupad can't breath!" Was Prabhupad trying to speak or breath or chant Hare Krsna? What ever the case, it was my impression as it was for this sannyasi and Manihara's that they were drowning Prabhupad with this water.
It was this very incident that marked Srila Prabhupada's passing. This is what caused the commotion among the devotees sitting in the back of the room to now rush forward. It was this that brought the devotees from the next room. This is when the chanting went from gentle singing, to resounding kirtan, to screaming with all their heart and all their soul, as loud as they could: "Hare Krishna!!" "Hare Krishna!!" Bhardaraj was leading the Hare Krishna Kirtan. Hansadutta suddenly jumped in to lead Jai Prabhupada! The devotees split in responding to both until there was no leader. All sang in unison. Hare Krsna! Jai Prabhupad! Most cried. Uncontrollably. This is the setting in which Prabhupad passed from this world.
I was there at the foot of Prabhupad's bed during all of this just as I appear in Yadubar's filming of this day. I could see everything clearly. I have heard that Prabhupad was `dancing' prior to his passing. Others - who were not there, reported that Prabhupad was chanting Hare Krsna at the time of his passing. Devotees can draw their own conclusion. I am simply stating my first hand experience and observations. Again, I was just a boy of 12. One who was initiated. 16 rounds a day. And twice up for brahmin initiation. (Canceled with all other initiations after Prabhupad's health turned for the worse.) In other words, I was a mature 12 year old much as India often does to most. I was at my best with Prabhupada. More so than most of my peers as all my teachers from those days will attest. I had the same adoration as any 12 year old Catholic boy would if told he were in the company of Christ himself. I was diligent and attentive. I loved Prabhupad, as I do today. This is my account of this unique event. It serves as one more voice of the many who were fortunate enough to have been there.
Not surprisingly, the most dramatic incident of the day was the moment of Prabhupad's passing. This too appeared to me quite different then other official accounts. Once again, it concerns the "service" the devotees were offering to Srila Prabhupad. There was a long spouted container (but quite small) that held holy water taken from the sacred rivers and kunda's from around India. This container would poor less then a small teaspoon of water at a time. The devotees would do so when Prabhupada opened his mouth as he did every so often in 20 minute to couple hour intervals. Again, this too was looked upon as quite eventful. This was the only other interaction the devotees saw from Prabhupada.
The last devotee to share in this, a sannyasi, was administrating the water. (He remains a leading sannyasi today and so I will not use his name.) But this time, Prabhupada was opening his mouth much more frequently. Instead of opening every 20 minutes or so, Prabhupad was opening every few, then every couple. This created something of a stir from the devotees. Prabhupad was once again accepting some service. Prabhupad was taking water. This devotee continued with a sense that Prabhupad was thirsty and almost requesting more water. For a moment there, it seemed as if Prabhupad was coming to. But suddenly, another devotee, Manihar, also standing there at the head of Prabhupada's bed, grabbed the devotee's hand. "Stop! Prabhupada can't breath." This poor sannyasi looked to Manihara. Mortified. "What?" He asked. Again Manihara said. "Prabhupad can't breath!" Was Prabhupad trying to speak or breath or chant Hare Krsna? What ever the case, it was my impression as it was for this sannyasi and Manihara's that they were drowning Prabhupad with this water.
It was this very incident that marked Srila Prabhupada's passing. This is what caused the commotion among the devotees sitting in the back of the room to now rush forward. It was this that brought the devotees from the next room. This is when the chanting went from gentle singing, to resounding kirtan, to screaming with all their heart and all their soul, as loud as they could: "Hare Krishna!!" "Hare Krishna!!" Bhardaraj was leading the Hare Krishna Kirtan. Hansadutta suddenly jumped in to lead Jai Prabhupada! The devotees split in responding to both until there was no leader. All sang in unison. Hare Krsna! Jai Prabhupad! Most cried. Uncontrollably. This is the setting in which Prabhupad passed from this world.
I was there at the foot of Prabhupad's bed during all of this just as I appear in Yadubar's filming of this day. I could see everything clearly. I have heard that Prabhupad was `dancing' prior to his passing. Others - who were not there, reported that Prabhupad was chanting Hare Krsna at the time of his passing. Devotees can draw their own conclusion. I am simply stating my first hand experience and observations. Again, I was just a boy of 12. One who was initiated. 16 rounds a day. And twice up for brahmin initiation. (Canceled with all other initiations after Prabhupad's health turned for the worse.) In other words, I was a mature 12 year old much as India often does to most. I was at my best with Prabhupada. More so than most of my peers as all my teachers from those days will attest. I had the same adoration as any 12 year old Catholic boy would if told he were in the company of Christ himself. I was diligent and attentive. I loved Prabhupad, as I do today. This is my account of this unique event. It serves as one more voice of the many who were fortunate enough to have been there.
PADA: Chandramauli swami recently lectured that Srila Prabhupada suffered from taking karma. Or was he suffering from being poisoned by the cabal? We think that he was suffering the effects of poison because -- he directly said that, I have the symptoms of a person who is being poisoned, and he would know.
To say all this is dancing with the gopis shows how ignorant and foolish some of these people are, if not they are conscious cover ups for the cabal. And then many of these same people went on to cover up numerous other problems like child abuse and countless other crimes -- all being done in the name of Krishna, dancing with the gopis no less, for which they will be punished most severely by the Yamaduttas.
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