Sahajiyas / Kali Chelas / Applied Anger / Saci Suta (VIDEO)

SAHAJIYAS

"These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came."
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Prabhupāda: Actually everyone knows that my Guru Mahārāja had thousands of disciples. So out of thousands of disciples, practically I am little successful. That everyone knows. Why? Because I firmly believed in the words of my guru. That's all. This is the... There may be many other Godbrother, maybe very learned and very advanced, whatever it may be, favored, and... Everyone claims that "I am the most favorite." And practical point of view... So I think sometimes that "Why this wonderful thing has happened to me?" So I search out. I search out only that I cent percent believe in the words of my spiritual... That's all, nothing else. Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete koriyā aikya, āra nā koriho maneāśā **. Don't think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.
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Prabhupāda: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that.
Room Conversation -- January
January 28, 1977, Bhuvaneśvara

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KALI CHELAS

Hmmm.....this is the old debate:

There is this "new age" idea that is so pervalent even in devotee circles:

1. "If someone hits you on your right cheek, you shoud turn the right cheek"

2. " if there are troubles there are due to my past bad karma and my lack of KC"

Although forgiveness should be given, that does not mean we should turn a blind eye on injustices im the name of forgiveness.

If somebody forgives an offender that is very noble,but that does not mean we shoud keep quiet, be inactive and let the ofender abuse the next victim.

Many times we are in trouble because of our bad karma, but sometimes we are in trouble just because we refuse to "go with the herd" and keep quiet.

You don't believe me?

Lord Jesus Christ was sinless, yet he was killed on a cross. Prahlada maharaja was harassed so much my his own father Hiranyakasipu. Srila Prabhupada struggled so much all alone with NO help from his Godbrothers. So why did they not help him?? Was it due to SP's bad karma or to something else?

After all, his going to the West was a desire of their spiritual master BSST. And Lord Ramachandra met so much trouble yet He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself,so he is clearly without sin.

So many people go through so much trouble because of their previous karma amd others go through it by the will of Providence, yet God is supremely just.

 All the intricacies of karma are very difficult to ascertain - esspecially for a common man. It is a fact that there are still some honest people and there are also a lot of dishonest people.

It is also a fact that nobody is without fault except God and the residents of the spiritual world, but that does not mean that a person who steals a piece of bread is on the same level as criminals who are prepared to kill to get more money, although they already have enough.

And now the final BS: " whatever fault one finds in others, is in him: one sees in others what is within him." Hmm. Pardon me, but that is pure mayavada diguised as false sainthood. If this is in fact and whatever fault I see in others is actually in me, then other people are just mirrors to me and therefore mere objects, not persons and as such not capable of their of actions and devoid of character and their personality. This is the very definition of mayavada.

The other extreme is to blame an honest person for your own faults,because you see your own faults in another person. This is called a shadow projection in psychology and is a real thing that happens on a daily basis, but that does not mean there are no wrongs and that everyone who dares to acuse another is a faultfinder or somehow (how??) less spiritually advanced than others.

But let's see what SP says about this:

"Of course, if somebody calls a thief a thief, he is NOT a fault-finder. 

But if one calles  an honest man a thief, that is a great offence."

(BG ch 16,purport)

This is very clear: even if one is not a faultless saint without a sin, he can call a thief a thief. That is honesty and a fact. But he must be very careful not to acuse an honest man. This are SP words not mine.

Here there is more:

" there are many devotees that asume themselves to be devotees, but in their hearts they have NOT accepted Krisna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. For them  the fruit of DS - going home to Godhead - will never be tasted." (BG ch 9)

Acaryas are even more direct concerning them and name such fake devotees that chant, wear dhotis and neck beeds and tilak: the acaryas name them kali - chelas.

There are put among the devotees by Kali to wreak havoc between devotees.

Again, this are the words of Srila Prabhupada and the acaryas, not mine.

And if one thinks that there are no demons among devotees, think again.

If one thinks that molesting, raping and abusing children is a "momentary weakness due to lust" think again: people who are "normal" and are conquered by lust, resort to prostitutes, not to child molestation.

So clearly those who did those things to children are obviously demons in the ruse of devotees - kali - chelas -  "servants of Kali" as the acaryas have named them.

Of course there is the famous verse "api sa duracara".

This is warning that sometimes even an honest devotee does abominable things, like i.e. a homosexual succumbs to his carnal desires, and we should not condemn such a person - IF he is an honest devotee.

That is verse "api sa duracara".

But if someone thinks that he is a saint because he learned about child molestation and abuse and chose to "turn away" in the name of "api sa duracara" - especially if he was in a position to do something about it,thus enabling the abuse to go on for decades - such a person is clearly delusional and can not be helped.

Sorry to break it to some of you, but the way to sainthood is not that cheap.

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APPLYING ANGER

If devotees express their anger on social media about child abuse or being victims of abuse in ISKCON, it’s condescending to tell them not to air their views for all to see.

This is legitimate anger. It’s right for devotees to get angry when fellow devotees and children are abused. It’s a normal human response. By telling these angry devotees to curb their anger, to refer to appropriate authorities and to behave like sdhus is an insult to them. How is it that not many more devotees are angry like them? This is part of the problem. Too many of us stay quiet. That’s why inaction is prevalent. Such inaction cause devotees to turn to social media. Who can blame them? I don’t.

Whether their anger is aimed at gurus, sannyasis or the GBC for their inaction or ignorance, leaders have to bear responsibility. If leaders wish to present themselves as having a cool head and to marginalise those angry devotees, is this normal human behaviour? To compare angry devotees to lynch mobs or vigilantes is unfair and passing the buck on to them. Typical institutional responses such as these are the hallmark of all faiths and groups trying to minimise fallout.
The angry voices are also in response to correct channels of grievance being overwhelmed or ineffectual. These angry voices aren’t anti-ISKCON as some will tell you. As usual, expect more of the same when the response of authorities is delayed, ignored, mishandled or hushed.

Ys KK Dasa.

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"So this initiation process is ācāryopāsanam,"

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Ācāryopāsanam: "You have to worship ācārya."
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"That is the first thing, ācāryopāsanam. But these rascals, they do not do that."
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"Unless one comes to the ācārya disciplic succession, whatever nonsense he speaks, it is all useless. This is the most important thing, ācāryopāsanam."
Morning Walk
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March 30, 1974, Bombay
"We are not so learned as you are, but we follow the ācārya. And it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, ācāryopāsanam."
Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Madhya-līlā 8.128
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Bhuvaneśvara, January 24, 1977
"So there is no other alternative than to follow this principle, follow this principle, to follow the opinion of ācārya. Ācāryopāsanam. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, "If if you want to make progress in knowledge, then you have to follow." Ācāryopāsanam: "You have to worship ācārya." Ācāryopāsanam."
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"Ācārya is the representative of God. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo **. If you offer prayers, honor to the ācārya, then Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is pleased. To please Him you have to please His representative. "If you love me, love my dog." And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said ācāryopāsanam. Ācāryopāsanam. We have to worship the ācārya."
Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā Lecture
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Hyderabad, August 19, 1976
"Kṛṣṇa says ācāryopāsanam. We have to understand things through the ācāryas. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. One who is not following the footsteps of the ācāryas, he cannot understand anything."
Pandal Lecture
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Bombay, March 31, 1971
"Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is recommended, ācāryopāsanam. If you want real knowledge, then you must take knowledge from the ācāryas or the ācārya-paramparā. Then there is knowledge. Otherwise it is ignorance."
Lecture with Translator
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Sanand, December 25, 1975
"Yes. As soon as you give up the ācārya-paramparā system, then it is lost."
Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland,
Professor of Modern Indian History
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May 20, 1975, Melbourne
"Therefore one must approach a guru to learn everything rightly. This is Vedic injunction. Tat tvaṁ puruṣam eva, ācāryopāsanam. Read Bhagavad-gītā. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Ācāryopāsanam. This process of knowledge is to worship ācārya. Who's got ācārya, he knows. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda."
Morning Walk
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May 27, 1976, Honolulu
"Ācāryopāsanam, accepting spiritual master, this is also one of the items, twenty items, for advancing in knowledge. So this initiation process is ācāryopāsanam, beginning of worshiping the spiritual master. "
Initiation Lecture
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London, August 22, 1971