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Govinda Dasi / THE ISKCON TITANIC
The sirens are blaring full blast right now and many will jump ship entirely, to drown in the watery depths of samsara. But many will head for the lifeboats, if there are indeed some provided. Some will believe one way, others will believe another way. But many will lose faith completely.
The crisis is clearly here. Yes, Prabhupada left Gaudiya Matha and started his own movement. But GM wasn't molesting and murdering little children, to my knowledge. We have a different story here. There will be different outcomes. Probably more dramatic. Like jail?
PADA: Some people have criticized PADA over the years, that we are being "overly dramatic" with our saying many ISKCON children have been victims of an orchestrated pedophile cult. "Just a few isolated instances" they say. OK but here someone implies the GBC regime has been molesting and -- even murdering little children by one means or the other. In any case, there clearly has been molesting, and there has been suicides of victims, in one way or other ... people have lost their lives. OK it could be said this is a form of murder.
Devotees have lost faith in the leaders. Whether appointed or not appointed is no longer the issue.
PADA: Yep, who cares if the leaders were "appointed" as messiahs and sum total of the demigods acharyas of the jagat, or ritviks, or just mundane institutional Governing Body managers, whatever nomenclature and designation they had, or they thought they had, they failed to manage the society properly. And the result is a massive cloud of doubt over their management. And worse, people are wondering why many of them are not in jail. Of course we all know Yamaraja has his own jail for deviants.
If they believe they were appointed, then they lose faith in Prabhupada, in his divinity, his ability to see into the situation and the characters involved.
PADA: First problem with people saying the ISKCON GBC's conditioned souls -- and / or no small amount of prone to deviate leaders -- are "appointed" to be worshiped as Krishna's successors, i.e. as Krishna's shaksat hari tvena equals in purity, that would make Krishna a mundane conditioned soul prone to deviate, if He and His successors are SHAKSAT equals (deviants).
To advertise an impure person to be equal to God in quality, makes God impure, and this is an insult to God. Of course M Dasi says her dog is more pure than their gurus, because her dog is not harming any children, ever, and her dog would never even think of harming a child. Ever! That means the GBC and their ICC bureau are not advanced enough to worship her dog. Of course, by dint of recurring births, they might elevate to the advanced post of dog pooja in another many lifetimes.
If they believe in the hijacking, deliberate hijacking, of the movement, the devotees, and the properties (which does bear truth due to the way the rule of inheritance law was used to obtain them) then they can go forward with a belief that Prabhupada was simply surrounded by a band of thieves at the end of his life, and coerced into a situation by them.
There is a LOT of evidence for the latter scenario — like his deliberately thwarted desire to have all his disciples come to his bedside — prevented by those who had him surrounded.
PADA: Yep, a criminal take over is the more likely scenario, and there is a lot of evidence he was complaining about being poisoned.
I personally know of several people who were there in Vrindaban at that time. Baradraj, Siddhasvarupa, Goursundar, Chandhi, Chaitanya Bhagavat, and others I did not know as well—all have told me the same stories of those days—the private meetings of the zonals, the duplicity, the intense mood. The guards at the door.
Guru Kripa isn't my favorite person but his testimony matches the rest of them. He is honest; he has no Iskcon income or guruhood to protect.
After Srila Prabhupada left, when Baradraj returned to LA, he asked the devotees, “Why didn't you come, Prabhupada was calling all his disciples, why didn't you come?” Rameshvar admitted to counseling the devotees not to go to Vrindaban, “to save the movement, to keep the marathon going, to keep the money coming in for the mortgages,”—all essentially for money. (According to Ameyatma’s testimony.)
That Los Angeles lie also prevented my going to Vrindaban. I could have gone at that time. Had I known that Prabhupada was calling us, I would have hopped a jet that very day.
Even in a court of law only the final will of the deceased is honored. Not the will written even a few months before. There are valid reasons why people change their wills toward the end of life. It is a fact that the dying often develop some special insights; sometimes they discover truths about people previously unknown to them.
I do not say that in regards to Srila Prabhupada since I believe he could read everyone’s mind and heart and knew exactly what and who he was dealing with. From day one. But what could he do? He was surrounded. “Better to be killed by Rama than by Ravana.” No oxcart was provided.
Whatever the case historically, NOW is the time for true leaders to step forth. Leaders that truly love Srila Prabhupada. If ever there was a need for truth it is now! If ever there was a need for Prabhupada’s faithful servants, it is now! If ever there was a need for cohesion it is now!
Yes, home programs should be encouraged. But what do we do with the several thousand sincere devotees on the decks of the Titanic right now? Do we abandon them? Tell them to “go home and chant Hare Krishna?” Most of them dont even have homes to go to! They live in ashrams, temples, vans, tents, even suitcases.
In Iskcon, only the very fortunate have homes, especially those that hold positions in the hijacked mission. And 6-digit salaries. Those are likely to be the ones to throw everyone overboard in order to maintain the corrupt system. The coming economic collapse should take care of that. Good timing, Krishna.
So we need to pray for direction: how to provide lifeboats for the faithful, and how to point everyone in the direction that matters — toward Srila Prabhupada. If we are sincere, and not hell-bent and determined to be “right”, and simply ask for guidance in a humble spirit, we may get the help needed. It’s called surrender.
Remember, the sinking of the Titanic was preplanned. Planned by those who wanted to create the Federal Reserve to take over the assets of the United States. It was all about money and control. Think about that for a while. And think about who did it. There are uncanny similarities.
PADA: Yep. Govinda Dasi was in charge of the "ISKCON History Forum" and when I got on there, I started to say that the GBC had only been appointed as proxies and not gurus. She started to attack me as a "ritvik snitvik." Then she handed over the forum to Ajit Krishnadas and Torben, and they kicked me off after telling me Jayapataka's obedient puppy Bhakti Vikas swami is bona fide.
Oh oh pilgrims, see the article below on Mayapur apologists, showing Bhakti Vikas swami being one of them, or one of the main ones. In other words Govinda Dasi handed her forum over to the main apologists for the pedophile messiah's regime sabha in Mayapur. Then someone told me, she ALSO hangs out with the Narayan Maharaja people, and NM is another apologist for the regime and he has been Tamal's main cheer leader and bucket boy. If you want to know how we got to where we are now, it was the leaders -- and the acquiescing rank and file.
I am not sure what her position is on all this now, or what can be verified about her situation with the NM camp, or whatever it is, but she never communicated anything to me after branding me as a bogus ritvik snitvik. Of course these Ajit and Torben type of people commonly say to PADA -- "there are no examples in shastra of anyone worshiping a pure devotee."
Hee hee, but there are plenty of examples of their people -- who worship an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club. Yep we have to stop worshiping pure devotees so we can worship JPS's / BVKS's / Ajit Krishna's / and Torben's / pedophile / child beating and anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club.
Why is Govinda Dasi handing things off to them, and not us? Umm, because we don't worship anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's clubs. Or what is the explanation? None is ever given. OK never mind, we will explain what happened ourselves.
It looks like Govinda Dasi is waking up here somewhat, and that is good news, however she waited until the ship was 3,500 feet under water -- and most of the passengers either died or dispersed to who knows where -- which is a little late in the game. But hey, better late than never, and credit should be given when it is due.
Sorry, the ritvik snitviks have been right all along, you'll have to worship a pure devotee -- or you are doomed, and so is your society doomed, and the children of said society are doomed, and so on and so forth. The ritvik snitviks are the main people who were blowing the warning fog horn here since 1978, but they did not want to heed our alerts, to their peril.
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RE: Pankajanghri das
A devotee: The last time I saw Pankajanghri prabhu in person was in December 2019. That was, incidentally the last time I saw HH Bhakti Caru Swami as well. Because I attended HH Bhakti-vidya Purna Swami's morning classes, I missed the temple Bhagavatam classes and hadn't heard from Jananivas and Pankajanghri prabhus. I learned that he gave a Caitanya-caritamrta class for the Chinese devotees so I made a point to attend before leaving the Dham. I was so pleased to receive cake prasadam at the end.
PADA: Good question. Did he know about Bhakti Vidya Purna's atrocious behavior with children? OK these people are hanging out with Bhakti Vidhya Purna swami, and Pankajanghri was part of the Mayapura upper level senior devotees. The real question for me is, how did they not know?
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Mayapur Apologists Association.
AC: How to provide justice and protection for the opressed ones in a society where it's leaders feel more sympathy for the abuser than for a victim? Isn't this tolerance encouraging the opressors to continue and commit even more of their abominable activities?
Sivarama Swami asked the GBC what kind of financial package would be set up for BVP.
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Farm Project
Hare Krsna Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
We'll be having a mini slide show of pictures taken this month and last month on our farm. Devotees who join when the meeting starts will get to be some of the first people to see pictures of Bhumi's kittens! Plus our greenhouse bounty and the first brassica beds all planted! Visiting the farm is like summer camp for all ages: petting the cows, beautiful horses, a vintage tractor and vintage devotees. Plus prasadam.
We haven't been milking a cow lately due to my health, but the farmer who we buy our milk from called a couple of days ago and donated 7.5 gallons of milk that had been briefly frozen. I made shrikhand and will make most of it into curd and fromage blanc. We've been discussing ajnata sukriti, which also came up in our Bhagavatam class.
Please join our Zoom meeting this evening at 5:30 - 7:00 pm Pacific Daylight time! New Nandagram Farm Community is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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Time: This is a recurring meeting on Mondays and Fridays at 5:30 pm. PDT (Please note that we have recently changed to daylight savings time)
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Intention: We hope that our Zoom meetings will enliven devotees to take up our spiritual master’s mission with renewed enthusiasm in light of the current strong attacks by the demons who think they’re the doers!
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This Group Meeting will be held by the servants of the New Nandagram Farm Community in Western Washington state. 5:30 Meeting called to order/introduction of attendees/ group prayers. 5:40 Opening thoughts/current events (barnyard stories) with reading from 'Make Vrndavana', compiled by the late Gopinatha Acharya Das.
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