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[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says we come from "Krishna's lila or sport." But Jadurani and Narayana Maharaja says that statement from Srila Prabhupada is bogus. Narayana Maharaja says we originated in "Tatastha sakti." Tatastha is not a place, it is a definition of how the jivas can move from one place to another.
NM says we started in the middle (brahmajyoti), and they can go to Krishna or Maya from there. This is bogus, we are with Krishna and we chose to defy His authority. Srila Prabhupada says we BECAME ENVIOUS of Krishna, and we fell. Narayana Maharaja says we came from brahman, he is a mayavada. NM also has no explanation for how we fell here? How could the people who do not know who Krishna is, reject Him? ys pd]
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says we come from "Krishna's lila or sport." But Jadurani and Narayana Maharaja says that statement from Srila Prabhupada is bogus. Narayana Maharaja says we originated in "Tatastha sakti." Tatastha is not a place, it is a definition of how the jivas can move from one place to another.
NM says we started in the middle (brahmajyoti), and they can go to Krishna or Maya from there. This is bogus, we are with Krishna and we chose to defy His authority. Srila Prabhupada says we BECAME ENVIOUS of Krishna, and we fell. Narayana Maharaja says we came from brahman, he is a mayavada. NM also has no explanation for how we fell here? How could the people who do not know who Krishna is, reject Him? ys pd]
This is involved. In Jaiva Dharma Bhaktivinoda Thakur has written something about the origin of jivas which has caused controversy. Then of course there is the mayavadi conception that the pure brahman takes material form. Which idea is being propounded here I do not know, nor do I know what Jadurani has said. But why The Ritviks jump on this, to discredit her? And then later invite them to join? Who can say. What Jadurani has said and their taking notice all unimportant. It is always important for us to prosecute our own spiritual life.
ReplyDeleteOK Srila Prabhupada said we cannot read the Jaiva Dharma because it was edited. Why are you reading it then?
ReplyDeleteThe main point is: Jadurani is trying to discredit Srila Prabhupada by saying he is ignorant about jiva tattva. She is attacking Srila Prabhupada, saying his ideas are bogus. She is attacking the statements of the pure devotees, that means she thinks she is smarter and better than the acharyas, this is called a maha - guru - aparadha. NM has also attacked Srila Prabhupada on many others issues, they are attacking and we are defending. ys pd
Such is the nature of Kali-Yuga. Even within bonafide religious circles its influence infiltrates to cause disparity and animosity among the followers. Let's just hope the Lord somehow intervenes to get everyone back on the right track! My humble obeisances to all!
ReplyDeleteI think Its clearly mentioned in Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita
ReplyDelete" Jiver Swarup haya krishner nityadas, Krishner Tatastha Shakti Bhedabhed Prakash"
when Sril krishndas Kaviraj Maharaj says that jiva is sri krishna tatastha shakti then why you are blaming others, There is no controversy about the jiva being a tatasha shakti. Please try to explore teachings of Shad Goswamis ,If you dont believe in Jaiva Dharam You dont believe in Guru Parampara,
Narsingh Das
Of course Prabhupada knew everything. If indeed we fell from the brahmajyoti or tatastha shakti region it may very well have been because we were already there and had become envious of Krishna and fell down. But where were we before that time? Where does Lord Krishna ever say He created living entities who were already in the brahmajyoti? Who were already fallen in that way? I would like to ask Jadurani that, while she is still alive. She is getting old and rejecting her guru is very bad. There is a special hell just for people who do that.
ReplyDeleteSrila Prabhupada says we all originated in Krishna's lila or sport, he says we have all seen Krishna face to face, he says we are all going back to Godhead -- where we came from etc. That means exactly what it means, we were with Krishna and "we became envious."
ReplyDeleteYes, we are tatastha shakti, that means we can MOVE from Vaikuntha to here. We can move, thus tatashtha is a verb, it means literally, the motion of the bank of a river. "Motion" is not a place, its an action?
So we do not originate in the tathastha region, there is no such place, rather we are the tatastha(s)! We are the jivas who can move from place to place.
We are jivas and we are moving, that is not our origin, that describes out ability to choose one side of the river or the other, and to move from here to there, it describes our moving around, it describes action, this is not who we are, it is what we are doing. ys pd