Indradyumna Swami "You Need Professional Psychotherapy"

PADA: Wow. So Indradyumna swami ilk helps destroy ISKCON in the West -- and helped bankrupt the ISKCON society in the USA and most of Europe. Then he flees to places like the Baltic states where no one knows their sordid history, and he exploits those poor ignorant souls. Then, after he exploits the second wave of victims, he advises them to seek professional help.

Yeepers pilgrims! You could not even make this up! We are your messiahs, and we (according to M. Dasi) mind f**ked you guys, now you need to go get a therapist. That's going to fix the mess we made of your lives, you need to get professional help.

And some of the devotee therapists are our best recommendation, because they are part of our hiding information process, and they are de facto our apologists. What could go wrong? The good news is, more of the victims have had enough of the liars club and they are expressing their doubts. We said they are destroying children's lives and they are.

Notice, this person says there are hundreds of children victims of abuse. And other victims tell me there are over a thousand victims. And other victims tell me it is over two thousand victims. And no one knew there was a problem, for decades? And now the poor people who are facing the reality of what these cheaters have been doing -- need a psychological evaluation? That is the solution?

And that is what they have told me for years, oh Mr. PADA, you need professional help. Ummm, well maybe, but the problem is, the professionals largely agree with me, worshiping deviants is a horrible experience for children, especially when a number of these deviants are pedophiles, or their enablers.

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YOU KNOW HOW THE THINGS ARE TAKEN IN INDIA SO BE YOURSELF CAREFUL TO ALWAYS AVOID THESE THINGS AND INSTRUCT OTHERS HOW TO DO IT.

"There is a saying in Bengali, that whenever there is scandalous talk, there is something to it, so we must be careful always to avoid even what may be mistaken by others for scandalous situation. You know how the things are taken in India so be yourself very careful to always avoid these things and instruct others how to do it also."

Letter to: Acyutananda -- London 5 August, 1972

This is an exchange between one of the girls that were in Sri Radhe's gurukula and Indradyumna Swami. Where she reminds Indradyumna swami that she and many others had personally informed IDS about the abuse the girls in the school were suffering and she asks IDS to stop lying...

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My family lived in Mayapur from 2000 untill 2016, I am one of 5 siblings me and my two sisters all went to the Mayapur girls school under Bhakti Vidya Purna / AV.  My two brothers were also in the boys school. (I left the girls school in 2006)

My younger sister and sister in-law where in the school for years, it was a constant battle trying to help them both break free from all the Mayapur abuse. My husband would constantly have arguments with his sister telling her to leave. I left mayapur in 2009 I would visit my family and Mayapur regularly once or twice a year for at least a few months. The abuse simply got worse and no one would listen ... or do anything. All the girls of the school had become robot slaves to Sri Radhe, Madhava Gauranga and BVP / Anirdesya Vapu Das. The fear they had was horrible to witness.

I spoke to Indradyumna swami many, many times over the years. He had a very close and strong relationship with my younger sister Xxxxx, one of his favourite "little girls." He would constantly say she was like his real daughter and that she was such a good disciple and that what ever he told her she would reply with "yes Srila Gurudev".

This constant special treatment keeps her very loyal to him still now, like many other young girls / women her age. It really felt like a stab in my heart to read IDS letter on FB. It had a deep impact on me the way he dismissed it all publicly so smoothly "it cut deep." I was then added a few days later to a Whatsapp group by Indradyumna swami called (reaching out) with most of the girls that had attended the mayapur girls school.

"Dear team: Just to let you know I am here and eager to continue our healing process. I think our initial meeting was a good start.

(He spent a whole of half hour on his last two week visit to mayapur to meet and talk with the girls (victims) about the abuse)".

I sent him the following letter.

(I wanted to share this with you to help fill in the dots and give you more insight information of Indradyumna swami. I have a voice recording of my darshan with him from 2015 that I referr to, due to the sensitive of the victims names and personal health problems I don't want to share the recording publicly).

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Dear Indradyumna swami

This was your instructions you wrote to me.

You have the "best friend" (in one sense) in your relationship with your spiritual
master. You should be turning to him for guidance. You have to be honest and upfront with me so I can guide you through the ups and downs of life.

Again, not everyone has such an opportunity. When I accept someone as an aspiring disciple I take that responsibility very seriously - and so should you. I'm extending myself to you. You should accept that shelter and take advantage of it.)

Fast forward 15 years and here we are today..

Honesty would help to start my healing, the last few months have been far from easy. And especially after reading your statement. I grew up worshiping and admiring you we had a personal relationship and friendship. The last few days I have been shaking with anxiety and fear, (My whole entire faith has been turned upside down).

I wasn't able to attend your meeting in Mayapur with some of the girls. But I can't stand quietly on the side lines anymore, as generations of devotee children continue to get manipulated and abused.

Sivarama swami's recent letter was shocking! But the recent letter from you, Indradyumna swami, was total heartbreaking. Its extremely disturbing and disappointing the way you openly lie to say you unknownly contributed!

I personally spoke with you, Indradyumna swami, in a darshan I had with you in Prabhupada's room in Juhu temple, Bombay, January 2015. I shared my ongoing concerns for the welfare of my little sister, and the other girls! My sister wasn't doing well nor were the other girls. They were suffering with health issues and depression. You told me that you had also heard this from other student that had told you crying about having no qualifications and feeling lost.

I told you how scared the girls were and that they were developing serious health problems, I told you of an example of what one of the girls was going through and feeling, Your reply was "IT'S REALLY THAT BAD!"

You told me that you had tried to talk to Sri Radhe but she never listens and she gets very defensive. You mentioned "my generation has failed the gurukulis."

I expressed that my sister had been counting down for months till the end of school, regularly saying "I can't do it any more." She couldn't wait to graduate and finish her [prison] sentence. One of the students finally had the courage to leave the school and put an end to all the pain and abuse only to have you personally call her to send her back to the school.

This wasn't the first time.

I had come to you with concern about the school and for the girls. I had told you that the girls where all fully under Sri Radhe's spell and that I had been trying to convince my sister to leave for years! But she had a lot of fear of Sri Radhe, she knew she would also loose her friends and I shared my own experience of how Sri Radhe had treated me in the school and when I had left the school.

I know I wasn't the only one who had turned to you about the abuse and asked you for your help over the years. You continued to support Sri Radhe even when the school was SHUT DOWN. You never reached out. You did quite the opposite you would go and spend time with Sri Radhe and would stay at her house when visiting Mayapur.

You continued to act like she hadn't done anything wrong when the CPO had closed her school in 2015 and banned her from working with children in ISKCON.
Half of her students are your disciples, for them to come and see you they would have to come to Sri Radhe's house. Some of the girls would struggle to come and see you and for some, it was too much to ask and would choose to stay away.

Your constant support and friendship would throw off our mother's concerns and doubts about Anirdesya Vapu Das's behaviour and involvement. They trusted your judgement of him and the situation. I honestly question many times why no other Iskcons leaders, Sanyasis or GBCs said or did anything to help us and protect us.

My mother was one of the many that reached out to you many times about the ongoing issues with Sri Radhe and the school. You say you never saw any read flags in Anirdesya Vapu Das's behaviour. You visited the school regularly over the years. (Any young child or adult could easily see things were a little wrong in this school in little to no time).

Sadly there was several cases against Anirdesya Vapu Dasa since the 90s and you claim to have missed them all. (All your friends were well aware of what had happened and you say you were kept in the dark about all the abuse. very hard to believe). 

It was common knowledge he had a shady past. You seem to be an amazing detective to finding all the lost information and history about Vrindavan. But yet again you were unaware of all the abuse Anirdesya Vapu Dasa had done to hundreds of Iskcon's children. And what was currently happening in the school on your many visits over the years even though you had been told over and over again. How did you "not know"?

Only now you all try to wash your hands when it blows up in your face. Given that the nature of the comments on your statement you have decided to hide all of them. Yet again silencing the community and the truth, to many who are trying to speak up against child abuse and share how they had come to you for help over the years and told you.

Stop hiding the truth, come clean, stop lying to us all. Show everyone you really care about our movement and its children. You are part of the problem! Staying silent has only resulted in the destruction of hundreds of Gurukuli's lives and in the destruction of faith to many devotees!

I will also be forwarding this letter to the CPO and GBC. I stand by my words, with tears in my eyes that you have brought me to write such a letter. Xxxxxx

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This was the quick response I received, He continue to act like the hero like he is looking out for us and quickly change the topic to trying to help and save us and uses the distraction of professional therapy to cover his tracks. His words are insulting.

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Dear all: I thank everyone for their recent imput into this chat group including K****. 

K****, I feel your pain and am sorry for failing you in a number ways. My only excuse is that I, along with so many others, were duped and deceived all along by Sri Radhe. Not knowing her deceptive nature, I took her side as she was the “authority.” I hope one day you will understand that. 

I can promise you and all the girls that I am not a liar hiding secrets. Personally, at this point, I feel the focus should be on giving support to all of you and other girls who have been so deeply affected by abuse you experienced. That is the very reason I suggested we open this chat group. Unfortunately, I see it is opening old wounds, more doubts and incriminations. 

Yes, it is healthy to discuss - but I firmly believe at this point that this should be done at a professional level: meaning you girls one on one - or in a group - with a trained professional person, or persons, who knows how and is successful in therapy. That is what is needed now. 

That is why I have encouraged everyone without exeption to search out a professional therapist. On behalf of all you I have been researching this approach which I feel is more healthy than what is taking place now in our group. For example, there is a wonderful devotee in the USA, Janaki dd, who is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who specializes in trauma. She serves on the Board of Directors for the NACPO and again is an exemplary devotee.

She recently switched from working in a residential facility to having her own private practice. She is willing to get involved. Janaki dd has long had the desire to shore up a missing piece of CPO services which is 'Victim Support' but there has never been funding for that area.

In addition to individual therapy, she facilitates group therapy. Group therapy can be a good fit for survivors of child abuse that happened in a subculture like ISKCON, what to speak of those who experienced abuse on masse in gurukula. Like Holocaust survivors, gurukula abuse survivors share a unique experience that they often feel others can't relate to and in which they find support in one another.

Are any of you interested? If yes, I will look further into this alternative. Let’s use this chat group specifically for this purpose: giving you all the “professional” support you need and deserve. If this chat continues to be used otherwise then I, like others, suggest we close it down. But I want to say here and now, if we do close it down I will still be available for anyone and everyone on email. From there we can continue the real healing by putting you in touch with professionals like Janaki dd.

My best wishes to all,

Indradyumna Swami

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In your recent FB post to IDS you ask about him sending a student back to the school. This is correct, he sent her back after her brave move to finally break free and leave the school. 

BB: He is breaking people's hearts and trying to crush their souls. The first order of business for our therapy is ... for him to quit his lies.