The problem is also that most Westerners who got some power here as BVPS etc also did some or worst things. Jayapataka Maharaja never stops anyone to take things in own hands. Gurumaharaja was trying to bring some high qualified devotees to help run Mayapur -- mainly disciples of Radhanatha Swami who faced locked offices and no access to the facility -- the typical no cooperation trick and after some weeks they left frustrated.
Gurumaharaja (Jayapataka) was disappointed but didn't take some action as they won't anyway listen to him. Recently I was having some cheating case by a Godbrother who started "Gaura Village" with cheating money acquired by cheating me and Kirtan priya and Dharesh -- the servant of Gurumaharaja. This guy is narrating his own story and still able to get quite some recognition.
But in front of High Court he can not play games. His whole project is standing on a very unstable ground because of many irregularities in legal papers and Trust organization. But many GBC Gurus and sannyasis are buying land there anyway and bringing disciples there to buy land.
I warned many leaders about the problems others may be facing, but they played it down. I am mostly taking care of my matter to get the money back and let others do what they want. The devotee may run the show with some bribes for quite some years but it can also happen that the whole thing will collapse.
A corrupt educational trust selling land to foreigners and doing visa business can run for some time especially in West Bengal, but there are many loopholes that can cause the things to collapse. He could do it legally, but then he can not take so much of a profit. They prefer to cheat.
I started with him because we shared the idea to do something good for Gurumaharaja. The problem is that he heard how many cheaters got away and he thought he will also be able to do like this. Here there are so many devotees living by -- cheating -- the other devotees.
But I am not a such kind of a person. Gurumaharaja will not take any action against him. He enquired from me what happened and I explained to him the matter and he understood. I told Gurumaharaja its private money and not related to ISKCON and the court case is private person to private person.
Also I made clear I don't see Gurumaharaja involvement in this matter as its in no way related to devotional service but a matter of criminal activities. I don't understand why the abused individuals didn't take action themselves. Then many people get doubt that something is real.
Many years also I didn't believe in the extent of the abuse simply because the reaction seemed to me rather reluctant. Two years back I spoke with Madhusudana who was Gurukula teacher and my friend, and also I met a victim at Prabhupada ghat and we spoke about 1 hour.
Then I understood the severity of this matter. OK, ISKCON had even bigger power over devotees in past years and the brainwashing of investing fear etc was strong. Many devotees in Mayapur need the visa paper -- or are dependent financially and are careful to react if not their personal matter. But still in all the victims no one took a step for so many years -- and in the end we had this Turley case. The individuals themselves have to react at any improper action with full force then only we can make ISKCON a better place.
SD: But in order for the victims to come forward, they have to know they are in a safe space and they will be supported. Right now if a victim comes forward in Mayapur they’re essentially being thrown to the wolves. Especially if the abuser is a prominent leader.
DKD: I was also threatened in many ways and had even a bike accident caused by friends of the cheater having my daughter almost in death danger. Like this, things are there. Luckily I have many friends very high levels in West and India that are beyond the power of this guys also so they can not harm me much.
SD: But in order for the victims to come forward, they have to know they are in a safe space and they will be supported. Right now if a victim comes forward in Mayapur they’re essentially being thrown to the wolves. Especially if the abuser is a prominent leader.
DKD: I was also threatened in many ways and had even a bike accident caused by friends of the cheater having my daughter almost in death danger. Like this, things are there. Luckily I have many friends very high levels in West and India that are beyond the power of this guys also so they can not harm me much.
Also I have lots of local persons support and connections. But things are like in Kirtanandas times still. You may be removed even physically, violently if needed. So you need always to have many people around to protect you as ISKCON is just mostly observing what will happen and just accepting the result.
Certainly they will play mafia games sending some ruffians on any victims, try to bodily and reputationally harm other etc. Maybe also physically remove like that secretary of GM Hema Lavana Prabhu -- found death in a bathroom. Nothing goes easy especially in Mayapur. I am accused of doing black magic, selling drugs and so many things by rumours. Luckily all my money is legal and I am standing spiritually, financially and legally on my own 2 feet. So there is no way of someone putting pressure on me. I dont put any blame on Gurumaharaja as this things are beyond his control.
NB: How many times do you need to say jps isn't responsible, can't do anything, people wont listen to him, etc.? I have only one question for you: why does he get so much privilege there if he can't take responsibility? I've heard there's always exceptions to the rules for him. Everyone says he's in charge. I guess it's like Dr. Frankenstein and his monster? The system has grown too corrupt for even him to manage. What a shame.
DKD: Gurumaharaja always took help from Tamal Krishna and Harikesha Maharajas as long they were around. The first conversation when I started his service in Mayapur was about how one can not depend on ISKCON. He said you need own money, you need to stand on your two feet. I told GM but you have to only surrender and he said ISKCON is still very neophyte dont expect too much.
NB: How many times do you need to say jps isn't responsible, can't do anything, people wont listen to him, etc.? I have only one question for you: why does he get so much privilege there if he can't take responsibility? I've heard there's always exceptions to the rules for him. Everyone says he's in charge. I guess it's like Dr. Frankenstein and his monster? The system has grown too corrupt for even him to manage. What a shame.
DKD: Gurumaharaja always took help from Tamal Krishna and Harikesha Maharajas as long they were around. The first conversation when I started his service in Mayapur was about how one can not depend on ISKCON. He said you need own money, you need to stand on your two feet. I told GM but you have to only surrender and he said ISKCON is still very neophyte dont expect too much.
I soon realized many things in association with many devotees etc. I know there is a lot of misunderstanding about GM and many great souls in ISKCON, that are put in the same pot with pretenders. They have also their own fight with GBC and their duty towards Prabhupada. Like Prabhupada prefered Tusta Krishna Swami over complains of Bhurijana we can read in converstations.
Why Srila Prabhupada kept Bhavananda and Kirtananda while fully aware of their nonsense. Its just because some persons had more faith in Kirtananda and Bhavananda then Srila Prabhupada and it would split the society.
Everyone is a personality and may act accordingly thats why we are here in matter. You may not know but in 2008 he was voted out of ISKCON and that was the reason he got stroke, before he and Bhakti Tirtha Swami were a team to work on many issues.
I respect him and know his spiritual power as I was witness of many incredible things beyond human imagination but still I dont agree with many of his managerial etc decissions. But I accept it as his will. This is not not imparing my relationship with him as a Guru as this role he never failed to perform. On one side there is envy, competition between Godbrothers and on other side incompetent dishonest and self motivated disciples and also there is a mission given by Prabhupada and duties to Lord Caitanya.
I admire him and other sincere preachers because they never loose enthusiams and depend on Krishna for Krishna to decide what to do. Dont think this ISKCON thing is easy for even Krishna to run with all the opposing sides, anarthas and Kali yuga brain.
What privileges you are talking about. Drive one time in his car hearing all he GBC politics etc. He is pushing his preaching and duty towards disciples that respond with him thats all. GBC would long time ago desire to take him down or stop his initiations.
PADA: I informed gurus like Jayatirtha and Jayapataka that promoting Bhavananda as a guru was going to be making ISKCON children into homosexuals in 1978, because "you become what you worship." If people worship homosexuals, they will trend to become what they worship. Sure enough, many of Bhavananda's "Bengali boys" were doing homosexual acts.
What privileges you are talking about. Drive one time in his car hearing all he GBC politics etc. He is pushing his preaching and duty towards disciples that respond with him thats all. GBC would long time ago desire to take him down or stop his initiations.
PADA: I informed gurus like Jayatirtha and Jayapataka that promoting Bhavananda as a guru was going to be making ISKCON children into homosexuals in 1978, because "you become what you worship." If people worship homosexuals, they will trend to become what they worship. Sure enough, many of Bhavananda's "Bengali boys" were doing homosexual acts.
Of course Jayatirtha was simultaneously starting his drugs program around the same time, and therefore many of his followers started taking interest in consuming and selling drugs, until finally Jayatirtha's "Peace Krishnas" were the biggest distributors of the drug ecstacy in the UK. As a result of my disagreeing with the policy of worship of conditioned behaviors as absolute, I was kicked out of ISKCON. I later started a newsletter and was discussing the child abuse and was mailing it to GBC leaders, and people like Urmila, who wrote back to me "no interest in this topic." I would say a lot of them knew, because they were getting direct complaints and my info was second tier. ys pd
PADA to Mathura das (complaining that PADA has homophobia):
PADA to Mathura das (complaining that PADA has homophobia):
It is that simple. Same sex folks are not eternal links to God. People who are distributing ecstasy drugs are not eternal links to God either. People who are having sex with half dozen women while drinking peppermint schnapps -- like we had going on here -- are not eternal links to God either. Yes, it is very simple because any Joe six pack walking down the street already knows -- conditioned souls who have mundane attachments of any type are not eternal links to God, it is -- simple.
And yes, I said -- you GBC guys telling me my kids have to worship mundane attracted people is a form child abuse. It is abusing their spiritual connection to God. Of course, the Nectar of Instruction says -- when a conditioned soul is worshiped as acharya, he eventually becomes more degraded. Which means, he might degrade to predator molesting and other criminal actions, that might evolve in the degrading process, and in fact this degrading has evolved. In any case telling me my kids have to worship same sex attracted people is -- sadistic -- according to my own kids. They think that is off the charts horrific. ys pd
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