Narayan Maharaja's Criminal Psychopath Messiahs?

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PADA: Yep, when Narayan Maharaja was in Texas promoting Tamal, I was in Texas having Tamal sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. My friends were also in Texas telling NM we had to challenge Tamal. He got angry with them. 

Later NM invited me to his ashram to discuss all this and he cancelled our 830am, cancelled our 11am, our 2pm, our 5pm, then he sneaked off the property out the back door. He avoided meeting me. These guys could not understand basic moral issues, nevermind advanced siddhanta like who is a gopi or a gopa etc. ys pd

NH: Did Narayan Maharaj hold any authority within ISKCON or was he even a US citizen Tim? Why were you trying to talk to him instead of the police Tim? What did you expect an old Indian renunciant to do? While able bodied Tim was unable to accomplish anything? Confused at your strategy. Why not simply kill the perpetrators or go to the police?

[PADA: We did go to the police, that is how we were saved from being taken out by the GBC program NM was promoting, they arrested the hit men that came to get me.] 

NH: What would you have liked for Narayan Maharaj to do? Meet with you, hear about how retarded all you guys are, and then do what you say and be your hero?

While presenting as some sort of tough guy, all I see is pure weakness, cowardice, and inability, coupled with blame of others. I wouldn't have met with you either, because it would have been a waste of time.

[PADA: That right there is the difference between a mundane hamburger eating person and NM. When a hamburger eating person invites me to his house, he does not sit in his room from 830am to 5pm and sneak off the property without seeing the invited guest. I had a copy of the poison tape with me and now you are saying listening to Srila Prabhupada's tape is a waste of time. 

Why do NM folks think Srila Prabhupada's words are a waste of time? NM did not want to hear the tape -- because he had no interest in coming to the truth of the matter, and he still had deep sympathy for Tamal, and thus did not want him exposed as a Judas.] 

VKD: Your offensive now. Please try to control your tongue when it comes to blasphemous comments against a Prabhupada disciple. You are doing very good service to the cows so stay in your own field of expertise please.

NH: You also seem like a fake tough guy. No wonder you guys like each other hahaha.

Hugs for pedophile gurus ceremony

[PADA: Wow. Thousands of children have been molested and this is all ha ha ha comedy hour for the NM people. Devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed .... ha ha ha, comedy show for us.] 

NH: All I see from you keyboard warriors is cowardice and inability. Your generation completely failed the movement and now you're all ranting online in your old senility.

[PADA: Our generation went to Sridhar and NM for advice, and their advice was to help them promote pedophiles as acharyas. Yes, anyone who says we cannot worship pedophiles as gurus is attacked by NM and his people, while they kiss the jackboots of their favorite pedophile gurus cabal leaders like Tamal and KS. 

They think hugging pedophile gurus like KS makes them "tough guys" -- as children suffer horribly under their jack boots. Hugging pedophile gurus, who have just been sued for $400M, makes them tough guys? But yes, as soon as we said pedophile worship is evil, then NM started to insult us, because he wanted to defend the cabal. Then, after the NM cabal gets us and our people banned, beat, chased with bats, molested, sued and worse, he says too bad, it is your karma!]

NH: Was Prabhupada less than Prahlad? Or was the GBC poison more potent than Hiranyakasipus poisons? How could you possibly conclude that a pure devotee of Krishna was poisoned then?

[PADA: NM himself later on agreed with Bhagavat and Isa that poison had been given. That means NM was wrong to challenge us.]

NH: You are retarded and hypocritical for telling me not to criticize PADA's retardation, solely because he's a Prabhupada disciple. This whole thread is shitting on Prabhupada's dumbest disciples. Are you retarded?

VKD: Your doing service to the cows you protect I’m disappointed with your understanding of our philosophy. Your showing the confusion that is coming from your so called guru.

[PADA: It is amazing that NM people think hugging pedophile gurus is spiritual and objecting to pedophile gurus is retarded.]

RD: Our Guru is more senior than all of you.

[PADA: The "senior gurus" everywhere should be helping us insist that only qualified people can pose as acharyas, and help us expose and educate people on the proper acharya standards. Never mind they should be helping us not allow Vaishnavism to become associated with criminality. And if some guru is preaching we must save cows from bad karma, but allow children to suffer bad karma, we need to indentify that as aiding and abetting abuse of children.]

VKD: Yes your right.

NH : Yes NM acted as a Trojan horse and saved many followers from these quick-sand personalities. I know multiple persons who were following pedophile gurus and then gave up their association and associated with NM.

[PADA: OK so Narayan Maharaja helps the GBC and his sidekick Tamal make a pedophile guru lineage; he helps Satsvarupa write "The Guru Reform Notebook"; he is giving rasika classes to Tamal, Giriraj, Sivaram, Indradyumna, SDG etc. Then NM is in Texas propping up Tamal -- when I am in Texas having Tamal sued for $400M for child abuse, and simultaneously -- NM is both the person who props them up, and saves people from the bogus regime he props up? They are quick sand personalities, but NM is propping them up and attacking us as "bogus ritviks."] 

NH: If Narayan Maharaj would have showed up yelling and suing like you, he would have had zero positive effect on anyone or anything. Not a single follower of these psychopaths would have left. (Just as you have not accomplished anything in many decades).

[PADA: OK, so now we say -- the gurus NM has been supporting are dangerous criminal psychopaths. Why is NM making psychopaths into a guru line from Krishna? They are dangerous, they are psychopaths, therefore -- they are gurus, and anyone who disagrees with NM is a bogus ritvik.

And we had to have the GBC sued for $400,000,000, which is "not anything." And then the suicides went down -- and hundreds of kids were pulled out of ISKCON schools, but all of these children are no thing, not anything, big zero. Children are not important. Meanwhile you have not explained why NM wanted children to worship psychopaths as their gurus, which you just now admit is the process he supported?]

NM himself says that he himself is "tricky, crooked", and it's fairly easy to see the strategy he employed in enemy territory surrounded by powerful enemies.

[PADA: Amazing, so when ex-children tell me the lawsuit saved them from taking their lives, or having severe depression, we saved "no one." Why does NM think his victims are "nobodies" all the time? 

Whether anyone else would have been affected or not does not matter. No one is authorized to be a cheer leader of Tamal's molester regime, and to go hug Kirtanananda Swami after the facts were known etc.]

NH: If you are going to attack NM for "promoting tamal" (whatever that actually means), then you must also attack Srila Prabhupada for giving these persons authority / sanyasa etc. I choose to not hold people accountable for the misdeeds of others. I don't blame prabhupada for Kirtananada, because kirtananda had free will and his victims also had karma. This isn't a pleasant truth, but it is THE TRUTH.

There is no such thing as innocent suffering. Everything is karma. Those same children would have been molested regardless, and Kirtananada would have still molested many (maybe even more). I take no joy in saying this but I also know it to be true. Karmic reaction is unavoidable and free will of others is uncontrollable.

Knowing this, the pure devotees and sadhus simply try to engage such persons as much as possible. You are still operating on the idea that these victims could have been "saved" and "spared" and you see everything through this lens. But if you zoom out you will see inescapable karma at play.

[PADA: Wow. So you are "saving the cows" by taking cows away from being slaughtered, to change their karma, but we should allow children to be molested, because we cannot change the children's karma from being molested. Does this make any sense? We can only change the karma of animals, and not people. 

I would say you NM folks priorities are upside down. You folks should be saving children first and animals secondary. At the same time, Krishna's children should be given topmost priority over other children. So the karma of the cows is unavoidable, we cannot save them, but let me break the rules of karma and save the cows anyway, but not save human children. This is an incredible mish mash of conflicted statements. Never mind it is sheer hypocrisy. We can only save cows, not children? Who even thinks like that?]   

NH: Again I don't enjoy saying this and also realize 99% won't understand. But objectively there's no other way to reconcile how such horrible acts could take place under Prabhupada.

[PADA: Prabhupada was poisoned when he tried to rectify things. He was not "in charge" of the situation, it was being hijacked by rascals. And those rascals are the same people NM propped up as gurus.]

R Dasi: Yes, there is inocent suffering. And all these children sexually abused are innocent victims. This is the view of a rightful person following vaisnava cult and sanatan dharma and the culprits should be punished not only by the religious society they belong but also by the social law that every citizen bear.

NH: I agree they should be punished. But no, suffering is never innocent. It's a reaction. They are innocent in this life, but it is a reaction for wrongs in a past life. God's system is perfect.

[PADA: Child molesting is God's perfect arrangement? No wonder R Dasi is disgusted with you folks. No, child molesting is going on by the power of Satanic beings, and their enabling support staff / advocates / cheer leaders like NM.]

R Dasi: Sick people in Hare Krishna movement promoting the swallowing of sinful acts in the name in the name of vaisnavim or "protecting the reputation of the movement". I reject all of them, i don't belong to that crap.

NH: Huh?

[PADA: Wow, NM folks cannot even grasp the point, saying that child molesting is unavoidable karma is enabling the molesting. Saying that Tamal is a guru is enabling the molesting, etc.]

R Dasi: That suffering is for a person who has been victimized -- to think about how they are guilty due to to law of karma -- is not to help in his / her healing process after abuse. But that is not to be applied to rectifying and punishing the perpetrator. 

[PADA: Yep, NM people say the victims suffering is unavoidable, but the perpetrators should be arrested. Wait? If the perpetrators are just engaged in "God's work of dispensing karma," as they claim, why would the NM people want to punish the perps by placing them in jail? And when did NM say we should have Tamal put into jail for orchestrating molesting? And why should we not also arrest NM for being Tamal's hand maiden support staff.]

R Dasi: What often happens? The victims are asked to forgive and let the things go, as really almost usually happens. No justice when the victim has to forgive and forget, and the perp is not punished properly. 

Instead, victims should denounce the perps and demand justice and expect the vaisnava comunity will take strict action, but this never happens. Usually victims end up carrying all sorts of mental burdens and traumas in Hare Krishna movement, while perpetrators are given a post, sometimes as great Acharyas protected by others with self interests.

[PADA: Ummm yep, protected by their hand maidens like NM.]