A conditioned soul cannot absorb the sins of another conditioned soul.
And if he artificially attempts to do so, he can get sick, fall down, or both.
[Or die from cancer.]
And the disciple's sins are NOT resolved either.
Of course people who have supported a pedophile's guru cult
cannot resolve their own sins, never mind others.
Patita-pāvana Nitāi Gaura Dāsa <praveen.punnam@gmail.com>
To:
PADA angel108b@yahoo.com
Cc:
Absolute Is Sentient Foundation
Wed, Dec 7 at 2:36 PM
You are utterly foolish to think you do a great job by speaking nonsense publicly. Also, you don't understand the great work being done through the Mayapur Open Forum where many advanced Vaisnavas are guiding the devotees in a step by step manner. There are no secrets there and everyone is welcome to join, you were added too to participate - but you blew it because you acted like a cockroach with a disgusting conscience.
[PADA: OK well all I did was forward the video I made of Kadamba Kanana swami's statements, which has caused many people to believe he is part of the molester monster's cabal, including the public news media people who review my materials. Since Kadamba is initiated by the leaders of the industrial level molesting acharya's cabal, then he has to explain why he is doing that. He has the molester monster's guru beeja, which is authorized by -- whom?
He has not explained, and neither have you. Sorry, the people who are part of a molester messiah's project are the people who are considered as -- disgusting -- at least to most normal moral people. What kind of "advanced Vaishnavas" do not allow someone to be on their forum and state that pedophiles are not Krishna's guru successors?]
Whatever may be the opinion, private or public - Vaisnava etiquette has to be followed always - this is the only way we can purify ourselves by getting the Lord's attention as well as be empowered to do some real seva. Otherwise it is simply useless chatter.
Whatever may be the opinion, private or public - Vaisnava etiquette has to be followed always - this is the only way we can purify ourselves by getting the Lord's attention as well as be empowered to do some real seva. Otherwise it is simply useless chatter.
[PADA: OK so 46 years of "private meetings" has solved what exactly?]
I spoke to other genuine Prabhupada's disciples/followers about you and they all have a negative impression on you.
[PADA: Well no kidding. They said I was negative for 46 years already, while industrial levels of child starving, beating and molesting has been going on left, right and center under their watch, and in the holy dham. And they wanted to check me from protesting, and they still do. And that is how they caused all this mess. They are the efficient cause of the troubles by their acquiescing and enabling, and suppressing the opposition to their molester guru's project.]
And no, I don't wait in line...you haven't met someone like me in your life before...and you will see the effect (of my curse) very soon. And I don't even curse or do anything, it just comes across when someone transgresses and crosses the line. It's just something I observed.
[PADA: Well this is not new, you guys have been cursing at me since 1978. Meanwhile the gurus have had all sorts of fall downs, sickness and mysterious premature deaths. Even now, Kadamba's own cancer illness is apparently from taking karma, so I might even out-live him. Your folks enabling him to take karma is killing him, your curse is thus working on, yourselves.
I spoke to other genuine Prabhupada's disciples/followers about you and they all have a negative impression on you.
[PADA: Well no kidding. They said I was negative for 46 years already, while industrial levels of child starving, beating and molesting has been going on left, right and center under their watch, and in the holy dham. And they wanted to check me from protesting, and they still do. And that is how they caused all this mess. They are the efficient cause of the troubles by their acquiescing and enabling, and suppressing the opposition to their molester guru's project.]
And no, I don't wait in line...you haven't met someone like me in your life before...and you will see the effect (of my curse) very soon. And I don't even curse or do anything, it just comes across when someone transgresses and crosses the line. It's just something I observed.
[PADA: Well this is not new, you guys have been cursing at me since 1978. Meanwhile the gurus have had all sorts of fall downs, sickness and mysterious premature deaths. Even now, Kadamba's own cancer illness is apparently from taking karma, so I might even out-live him. Your folks enabling him to take karma is killing him, your curse is thus working on, yourselves.
Sorry, news of my certain and soon death has been going on -- for decades. I am not sure how well you guy's curses are working, since it seems their gurus are going down -- and not so much -- me?
I have already out-lived many / most of them. At the same time -- what difference does it make to me anyway at this stage when I am elderly? I am already to go -- already today! Lordy have mercy, take me out of here now!
I hope your curses takes me out of here soon, so I don't have to be associated with you folks anymore. Go ahead! Curse away! Don't you see how silly you folks look when you are cursing at Vaishnavas, or anyone else? It makes you look like angry kindergarteners.
Oh I am going to curse you, and that is supposed to impress me, or anyone else, that you are an advanced soul, because you hate people and want them to die? I don't even curse my opponents, because first of all, it looks stupid, and it also means I am trying to be the controller.
I am letting Krishna do His work, and He is, He is clocking them down with fall downs, sickness and death, left, right and center, and now He is exposing them and their enablers, no real need for me to do anything. I could quit doing anything at this second, and they would still go down without my curses or anything else, because the members of a pedophile guru process are already cursed. And Krishna will clock them down in His own fashion at His own time, and He is.]
I am blocking you everywhere, so it stops here. You will have to find ways/means to apologize to me. Good luck!
tim lee <angel108b@yahoo.com>
To:
Patita-pāvana Nitāi Gaura Dāsa
Cc:
Absolute Is Sentient Foundation
Thanks. OK so now I am a cockroach for saying pedophiles are not acharyas. That is what you guys said to me since 1978?
I am blocking you everywhere, so it stops here. You will have to find ways/means to apologize to me. Good luck!
tim lee <angel108b@yahoo.com>
To:
Patita-pāvana Nitāi Gaura Dāsa
Cc:
Absolute Is Sentient Foundation
Thanks. OK so now I am a cockroach for saying pedophiles are not acharyas. That is what you guys said to me since 1978?
Well prabhu, since anyone who says pedophiles are not acharyas -- is going to create a negative impression with your group, I got that already. Hee hee. Block me, that is what you guys have done since 1978. If I cannot come onto your forum and say, pedophiles are not acharyas, then your forum is part of the problem.
And that means I am not the cursed person here in this scenario, because I am right 1,000 percent, pedophiles are not acharyas. Again 1,000 percent correct, also because Krishna is 1,000 percent with me on this. Nothing cockroach about it. If that statement is not allowed on your forum, then that speaks for itself. Krishna says pedophiles are not His acharyas, and if you think that is cockroaches speaking, then -- what more do I need to add?
You guys also do not seem to realize how entertaining your statements are for me and my readers. There are people who read my blog every day, hoping one of you guys will try to bait me, and seeing my replies. Anyway, I wish you well, honest. I hope you can clear things up, but you are not off to a good start by saying that "pedophiles are not Krishna's successors" is the idea of a cockroach. It is the idea of all advanced sages, because it is the idea of God Almighty, it is not my idea.
ys pd
angel108b@yahoo.com
PADA: Good question. As a follower of Srila Prabhupada, one of the first things I said to the leaders in 1978 is, my kids will never worship any of your 11 gurus, nor attend any of your guru-schools etc. I was not going to allow my kids to offer bhogha to conditioned souls and worship them as their gurus, nor EVER go to their schools etc. and I believe anyone else could have done what I did. I sent my kids to public schools, and anyone else could have done that too. Srila Prabhupada is very crystal clear, no one should ever worship conditioned souls as their gurus, and I believed him, and still do, and so do my kids even today. I see no evidence anyone is obligated to force their children to worship conditioned souls as their gurus, nor is that part of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. People who worship conditioned souls as their gurus, or have their children do same, will have to suffer, also crystal clear teachings of Krishna. In other words, worship of conditioned souls is never authorized by the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, they do not follow his process. ys pd
ReplyDeleteLW: Same reason they don't allow me on their forums. Anyone who says "pedophiles are not in Krishna's lineage of parampara" gets booted. Both barrels. Been there. Done that. Many times!
ReplyDeleteThey think they are making good progress by figuring out how to correct and control their gurus. They make a bogus person into guru ... then try to keep correcting him over and over when he makes all sorts of mistakes. Or is all this level of molesting a mistake? No. It is a coordinated conspiracy.
First of all gurus do not make the mistake of coordinated molesting. Next, gurus do not need correcting from that type of a mistake.
Oh big surprise here, many "seniors" find the attacks on their pedophile guru conspiracy to be like cockroach complaints. That is how they throttled back complaints for 46 years ... and that is how they established industrial level mass child molesting.
I agree ... any forum that does not allow a person to say pedophiles are not Krishna's successors, is not only part of the problem, it is the main problem ... and for the past 46 years. Don't be a cockroach and worship a pure devotee ... worship pedophiles ... and persons in their "vote in" lineage like Kadamba swami. Bunch of losers.
Have they not noticed their temples are empty by now? And the public hates them, the original Prabhupada devotees hate them, the gurukulis hate them, and ... Krishna's agent like Yamaraja is also not pleased with them. And they forget ... people who are dying of cancer from taking karma should be begging everyone for forgiveness at this point ... not bragging they are in the long line of Putanas. When you are going down the tubes ... don't be arrogant.
Krishna says don't EVER worship pedophiles lineage ... and that makes His idea the idea of the cockroaches? What happens to your brain when you snort paint cans ... and listen to the GBC?
M Dasi: Holy Mother of Jesus. What kind of "devotee forum" does not allow someone to say ... pedophiles are not Krishna's guru successors? Oh wait! I already know ... it is these kinds of guys!
ReplyDeleteSame reason they kick all of us around like footballs too. We don't want our kids to worship pedophiles ... and that makes us ... the cockroaches. Oh Lord ... that is their entire argument?
We cannot allow anyone to say ... pedophiles are not Krishna's parampara? Because that would be sooooo oooohhh fennnn seeeev prabhu. Really down to the last brain farts in their heads it looks like to me. I would laugh but ... these people are dangerous to our kids.
I think you nailed it. Anyone who is banned from a forum for declaring ... pedophiles are not Krishna's successors ... has been fully blessed by God in heaven. We pray to God to save us and remove us from such assemblies! You have been officially saved from being a participant in that awful assembly.
Truly! God helps those who help themselves. I think their band wagon's wheels are coming off more each day ... or is it just me who sees that?
PADA: Yep, they do not want to discuss the real issues, for example Jayapataka swami used to collect up and take Bhakti Vidya Purna swami's "collection of sticks and clubs" away from time to time, because he knew these sticks and clubs were being used on the children. He did that repeatedly, which means he knew about the beatings for a very long period of time.
ReplyDeleteWe also know personally various victims who had broken bones, broken teeth, and assorted cuts, bruises and lacerations of all sorts from these beatings. I have no idea how anyone can say they were unaware of these beatings since sometimes victims were screaming out in pain. This was all going on right on Jayapataka's doorstep, and evidently, for maybe 40 years. And how can we say none of the others knew? And if they are banning us from their forum, is that because, they do not want anyone else to know what really happens in their regime. So they can continue to exploit people? ys pd
JD: Oh sure, he has some serious senior Prabhupada devotees on his forum. Are these the same fine people who pushed ISKCON's children into worshiping pedophiles for the past 46 years? Why have we not heard about all these serious and sincere people in all this time. Where are they? WTF!
ReplyDeleteAre they hiding under a rock ... and are still hiding themselves now. Why can't we know who these people are. Or if they even exist at all.
That is the $400,000,000 question. Who are these alleged senior Prabhupada devotees ... and where have they been hiding out for the past 46 years?
He does not say who they are ... is that for a reason. Are they part of the MAFIA gang of gangsters ... or they are help mates for the gangsters. We have lots of people on our forum who don't like you Mr. PADA. Of course, they never like the people who expose their pedophile guru cults. Not even news is it.
Kadamba Kanana swami is under the authority of Jayadvaita. That means he is compromised with the pedophile guru cult's main leaders. He needs to clean his slate before he leaves here. But his compromise with the pedophile guru system has already caused tremendous damage, he can only partly clean his slate.
The people who committed suicide or overdose on drugs are gone. He cannot beg them for forgiveness. He should at least apologize to those who remain ... but he cannot complete the atonement process when the victims of his child sacrifice cult are dead, or they will never see his apology because they are avoiding all of these people for the rest of their lives.
He should at least attempt to make a clean slate and admit their whole pedophile guru cult is bogus, but he maybe won't because these forum people are encouraging him to continue with "the big lie" ... which has killed many victims spiritually and materially already.
Is it this? Blood on all their hands ... including the forums that encourage and protect them. That means ... they all have children's blood on their hands? What do you think. I think ... children's blood on their hands will be the meme and theme that describes them for the rest of all recorded historical time. That we cannot know who they are means ... they are afraid to show their faces to us ... probably because ... we already know who they are ... the compromisers and enablers of the whole system. Is that the problem? They have too much blood on their hands? And we know it. Show yourselves and quit hiding! Hah hah hah. Like cockroaches.
MMD: Not going to see the Mayapur forum moved to actual Mayapur where they will have to confront the goondas there. And how did all this goonda program evolve there, all by itself, or as many "senior Prabhupada devotees" sat back, watched, supported and went along with it?
ReplyDeleteThe forum people are not going to go and take down any of this, it is all bluff. They don't want us to offend the gurus ... the people who made Mayapur into a gangster kingdom. That means the gangsters are being protected by other gangsters. Birds of a feather.
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2022/12/about-iskcon-mayapurs-gangster-mafia-dkd.html
Mama Bear: Oh wonderful. After years of anus rupturing, beating, knocking out teeth, people getting tied up, beaten, and run over in "bicycle accidents," now they are finally making a Mayapur committee and it is making lots of progress. You mean they are armchair warriors, typing on a keyboard miles away from Mayapur, who are going to fix Mayapur without ever going there to clean it up. Impressive! Legends in their own minds.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time they cannot even save or help their own people. Kadamba is sick from taking karma, other gurus are going mad from taking karma, and worse, ad to that so much criminal cheating going on in Mayapur. And they are unable to even address HOW they plan to fix any of it. Another meeting! Impressive.
They are not even going to help Kadamba understand how he is suffering from taking karma. They are eating their own. So what happens to you?
These meetings are endless, year after decade, and never make any proper conclusion. And even if they eventually find the right idea, Kadamba won't be here to be assisted. And more victims are going out of their bodies every day. When is their help arriving? These ad hoc commitees are ... stalling and bluffing technique.
Putting people in the false sense things are going to improve ... when they are not going to. Bluffers. They should make a public site with public statements and help the victims directly. Bluffing is not helping anyone, except the evil doers.
PADA: Yup. MB. Some devotee woman just wrote to ask me if we can video conference because "you know a lot about these issues." And the police, FBI, media, book writers, TV shows etc. want to interview me for the same reason.
ReplyDeleteThe Mayapur forum? They don't want to have any factual information, which means, they want to protect their mass child abuse cult. Or, as Sulochana would say, they are "boot lickers for the butt busters." Yup, don't bring us any facts, we want to live in darkness, and be fed manure aka be ignorant mushrooms. OK then, and ignorant darkness in this life leads to darkness in the next. ys pd
B Dasi: Patita Pavana ... means mercy to the fallen ... always available ... for the child abuser program and the perps and enablers. Do the victims and their defenders get any mercy?
ReplyDeleteNo ... never ... they get called ill names like cockroaches, fringies and then they are cursed with tantrics. And now can anyone convince me this is not a Satanic black magic molester cult?
Why would they even mention black magic tantric curses, unless they do that all the time to protect their pedophile guru's operation. This Patita Pavana person has fully exposed who they really are ... except not surprising to me. I thought for a long time ... it is a demoniac black magic child sacrificing cult ... which curses people with black magic ... and it is. It is nothing less than that ... which is why they have been able to continue for so long ... they are using black magic tantrics.
I am not afraid of that in particular ... but I am sure the children under their grip are ... terrified of them. Black magic Satanic child molester cult ... and that is how they train people to hate Hare Krishna ... as many of their victims do ... it is what they always do.
There is only Patita Pavana ... if you worship their pedophile black magic Satanic child abuse operation. I have seen some of the letters from 1991, they knew this was going on the whole time ... little Satans that they are.
They have no idea ... black magic does not work on Krishna and Lord Yamaraja ... they are way out of their league. I was the person who loved to watch movies about witches, vampires, voodoo witch doctors, ghosts, curses ... and that was good training for me. Now I am 100% onto them.
Dasa: More secret meetings will fix nothing. Prabhus, the primary main point which the GBC, Anerdeshvapu, victims, CPO, commenting Sannyasis and disciples are missing or just blindly and purposely overlooking is that Adv as well as other accused, accomplices, cover uppers, or suspects are posing as Sampradaya Guru's.
ReplyDeleteThis is not a matter of a sannyasi falling down becoming vantasi. It is a guru issue full of flaws right from 1977. There is no other panacea, retribution, judgement or explanations that have any validity. Guru cannot fall down. Period. So all the investigations, meetings, forums, comments, atonements, rationalizations, judges, jurors, executioners or other sides of the story are all redundant and not applicable when the accused, supporters, or accusers are sitting on a Vyasasana which has been usurped from Srila Prabhupada.
This is the crux of the whole problem in Iskcon, falldowns, and Dysfunctional GBC. Period. None of these people are gurus, were gurus, or could have been gurus, and unless that is the topic, all else is a waste of time. Another secret forum is another cover up ... and they need to simply accept that as fact. Meanwhile many other people are waking up -- with or without them.