Thursday, May 17, 2018

HKC Jaipur Rejects PADA's Peace Proposal? (Child abuse issue update)

PADA: OK so we recently put out a "peace proposal" for Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks, and their apparent counter reply to us is, they are digging in their heels still supporting Prahlad's (Paul Coats UK?) program which says -- PADA is wrong to have helped dismantle the bogus GBC's child molester webs, nests and infrastructure project. Yep, stopping children from being abused is a big no, no in HKC world -- self-apparently.   

Had that infrastructure NOT been dismantled starting around 1999, many parents would NOT have pulled out their hundreds of kids out of these bogus "guru schools," and worse many more kids would have still been pumped in, and sent off to that odious machine -- where more victimization was possible if not probable. So Prahlad and his HKC Jaipur's fan club's BIG PLAN has been, and apparently STILL IS -- to keep these type molester regimes going, and not have us help take them down -- at all!  

Let the molesting party keep partying! That is their plan to fix the world? Has any of these HKC folks ever asked the victims if this was the better plan? Did we forget to mention -- the bogus GBC's plan was to NOT help us take this down either? Ditto heads of a feather?

Of course the only good news is, this TOTALLY confirms everything we have said about this issue up to now? Prahlad das and his HKC Jaipur disciples are apparently quite happy to see many small children being victimized by an odious abuse regime, otherwise why would they vociferously oppose us having this regime dismantled? Or as one victim says, why are they molester program's lovers? Can't really repeat what some other victims said about Prahlad and his HKC disciples on a public forum!

Now some folks in the middle of all this keep sending me photos of HKC kirtans and programs, trying to show me this is a bona fide program. OK but the GBC's programs ALSO had ALL sorts of kirtans going on all along in the 1980s -- when we tried to address the attitude of the GBC's leaders towards the molesting issue then. So kirtans are nice no doubt, but the topic here is -- what is the attitude of these leaders and elders -- of either ISKCON / or HKC -- towards abuse and molesting? In other words, before we get into a process of exploiting people's sentiments with kirtan, we want to know -- what is that program's policy about abuse?   

And it is increasingly clear, the HKC Jaipur's top leadership types have sided with Prahlad's process -- that we should NOT have DISMANTLED these vicious mass molesting nests and rings, and the HKC still are apparently his disciples on this topic. OK so what makes them any different from Tamal's and Kirtanananda's regimes, on this issue? Again, sticking with the issue at hand? Molester programs should not be dismantled? That is their plan? Same plan as the bogus GBC ilk orchestrators of this regime?

And this is Prahlad's mantra that he has trained the HKC in? Why do they vociferously oppose having mass molesting stopped, unless they are on the side of that agenda? Why would they be on the side of the abuse regime and still claim to be reformers?     

KD: Watching HKC from last one decade, never seen Crawford prabhu visiting HKC or HKV. May be once / twice in 10 years. This is far less than the time than what Prahlad prabhu and me have spent with HKC devotees. What to speak of believing his words about HKC.

OK so Prahlad is STILL the self-evidently welcomed shiksha guru of the HKC Jaipur's folks on this molesting issue, which is what we said all along? And on Prahlad's web site it STILL says -- PADA is wrong to have opposed the molesting regime, and Prahlad is STILL infuriated took we took their program down to the mat. OK so he is clearly a molester regime lover. Prahlad direct or de facto says: he wanted the molesting program to continue, because -- we should not have taken it down, its on his own site?  

Peter prabhu keeps asking me, where is the written proof? OK, and as we said many times HERE on this blog -- its ON Prahlad's own SITE. He opposes us dismantling the mass child abuse infrastructure. He openly states that. And HKC people are his disciples ON THIS ISSUE, if not why have they agreed with him in the past and never stated otherwise? And why are they still saying he is with HKC folks many times over the past ten years, if he is not a welcomed guest (and adviser, as he was on this issue in the past)?

Bhakta Peter ... Let me clarify -- the general (HKC Jaipur) congregation is not sophisticated with the internet, but the devotees there running things all have engineering degrees. The dozen or so devotees there that do run things all have engineering degrees, and do have diverse skills. They are much more educated then 99% of devotees in general. How many devotees do you know that have REAL engineering degrees? They are more educated then you Mr. PADA.

Wow! So in order to become one of the best boot licker disciples of the biggest advocate of keeping child molesting regimes running, I would need a college degree in engineering? This is getting more silly by the moment? What good is a PHD in engineering -- if one STILL does not know child molester regimes need to be dismantled? And that people who favor keeping molesting regimes going are deviants and not our welcomed shiksha gurus? 

So this confirms what we said all along, some HKC top tier folks sided with Prahlad's plan of -- KEEPING THE MOLESTING going. And they thus sided with KEEPING THE MARRIAGES of underage girls to much older men (against their will). And they also sided with not having us help save people from suicide. etc!

And you'd need a PHD to be such a child oppressing deviant?

Sorry, there are billions of dogs on this planet and not one of them tried to impede us from saving hundreds of children from victimization, bogus marriages and suicide? The only entities that try to halt us from doing that are in human bodies. And we should name some of those bodies, ok GBC folks and their HKC henchmen disciples like Prahlad das and his HKC clones. Yes, even a dog with no PHD does not try to stop us from saving children, only these folks do. That means dogs have better behavior than these PHD graduates? 

Anyway, again the only good news is --this confirms EVERYTHING WE SAID all along on this topic. Please do not send me anymore HKC kirtan photos, seen that, done that, been there already in the 1980s. The GBC folks also told me the same things, so what -- we have nice kirtan? OK, but a nice kirtan program does not make a license to oppose people who dismantle child abuse programs.

I also pray that the HKC children there in their guru school are not being told that it is a good idea to keep child abuse regimes going without being checked.  Anyway now you all know why this had to go to public police, FBI, media and public court etc., these type people sided with the oppressors, forcing the issue into the public courts.
 ys pd    

PS: Correct prabhu, many people leave ISKCON physically but remain there in sentiment and following the same deviant policies and ideals. Right! We cannot simultaneously "reform" the Krishna religion and act exactly like the deviants we are trying to reform from. Goody! ys pd


  1. Yes prabhu, evil PADA is bringing out: Srila Prabhupada's letters, the will, the appointment tape, the molesting issue, the book changes issue, the poison tape and issue and so on. We should have not bothered and "got educated" and gone to engineering school instead! Amazing, this is exactly what GBC folks have said as well, PADA should have been getting a better mundane education and job! Very similar mindset to the GBC folks. The reason folks do not want us to bring out these issues, because they have sympathy for the GBC gurus and their bogus process? Why else would they want to have all of these issues suppressed? Yes, do not bring these things out, go to school and get a better job, exactly what some GBC clones said in the 1980s. Which is why Sulochana said, birds of a feather flop together! Hee hee. If we had not brought out the poison tapes, it would have kept the issue covered for who knows how long. Yes, they still have sympathy for the GBC bogus guru's folks, its self evident. Suppress PADA, save the bogus gurus, same agenda. Yep. Why would they want to have the poison issue suppressed unless -- they are in league with that camp? Agreed. ys pd

  2. Anyway we offered to discuss and resolve these things, they are not interested. Not news really. Neither the GBC was ever interested in resolving things? As for them saying PADA is a liar, nope, there REALLY was molesting, there REALLy was changed books, there REALLY was a poison complaint, none of this is "all PADA lies." Sorry for you HKC GBC guru apologists but many / most people agree with us on these issues, its just that we have the facts and you do not! Our facts are being accepted more and more daily. Anyway, you defeated your own "need for court" argument? The molesting issue had to go to court, because thinkers like you HKC folks said -- the molesting is all PADA lies, and the HKC folks still says our molesting expose is all lies. They are the most diehard GBC fans on the planet! Yep child molesting is all lies, that is how people like you HKC folks create molesting programs in the first place. Too bad we had to expose you guys, but we think its important for people to know what your hidden agenda is. ys pd

  3. Thanks prabhu. Yes I know some HKC folks have recently been saying "no one agrees with PADA anyway." Really? Out of the total world population, lets say 7.6 billion, how many folks agree with HKC types like Prahlad that child molesting should NOT be halted, and we need to allow children to worship sexual predators as their acharyas and messiahs? MOST people want that?

    Hee hee! Right, NOT TRUE its only their teeny clique of just a few GBC type folks and a few HKC folks who do not agree with PADA -- when we say that molesting has to be halted. Yes, easily 999999.999999 percent world population agrees with PADA, abused children need to be rescued. How many people agree with bogus GBC / HKC that children should not be rescued from abuse? OK less than a billionth percent, at best?

    "How many" is also not a good argument in the first place, because most people do not accept that Krishna is God, that does not mean Krishna is not God?

    So this is very silly, they think MOST people agree with them, that we should ALLOW CHILDREN TO BE MOLESTED -- and to worship deviants as their gurus. Nope! Hardly no one agrees -- with them! We are in the clear majority here! Wow. These HKC type folks actually believe MOST people want to allow children to be molested and to worship deviants? That is their whole argument against us?

    Yep! This is another GBC clone argument. This is what the GBC folks said all along, most do not agree with PADA. Most who? Well yes, most of the perps, molesters and deviants agree with them, while most sane and moral people agree with us, that gives us the 99999999.99999 percent on our side. We win that argument hands down. Hee hee. MOST people WANT to allow children to be molested and the do not agree with PADA, it needs to be dismantled? Wow, that is the entire argument of the HKC ilk nowadays? Sheesh, they are getting desperate. ys pd

  4. Thanks prabhu. Yes you are quite correct, child abuse is factually illegal and criminal activity -- even according to the standards of the karmis. That means that the karmis have a much higher standard of justice than Prahlad and his HKC pals, who are encouraging this illegal molesting program to continue, by telling PADA -- we are wrong to check these crimes against children. Yes, that means Prahlad / HKC folks have been encouraging criminal activity. I would agree. So yes, they are criminals, what else can we conclude? No wonder they are not happy with PADA, criminals never liked our program the whole time. You are quite correct, even karmis have a much higher standard of behavior than these people. And that they are encouraging crimes against children (even telling us not to help stop these abuse crimes) makes them not very high on the behavior scale. Agreed. Then again, the GBC's folks discouraged us from dismantling criminal behaviors all along as well. Birds of a feather? Yes, this is criminal behavior, we agree fully. And that they are encouraging crimes against children means -- they are not even advanced as regular criminals, who are against child abuse. Yep! You got it prabhu! ys pd

  5. Dear PADA: "Everyone agrees that child molesting should not be stopped." Everyone where? They forgot to tell us, they took their survey on Patala loka! (PADA: Heh heh heh, lovely).


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