[PADA: Ooops! Even some of the "ritviks" have got entangled in this "flat earth" program. For starters, its not helping our credibility. Its sort of like the Illuminati-ites, its not helping us gain a credible profile.
Oddly, Prahlad das says he never knew that his bogus Illuminati-ite program is pro - Neo Nazi and is against "the Zionist bankers" etc. This is another guy who does not even study anything about what he is promoting, aka another GBC style fanatic. Of course, since we promote Srila Prabhupada, then Prahlad's program says PADA needs to be removed from the internet. Read: Hitler gets to stay with no real opposition, Srila Prabhupada has to be removed with jackboots programs, what else is new? OK maybe we should study issues more before making ourselves the number one cheer leader of un-informed agendas.
Anyway, there are lots of quotes (thanks Mahesh Raja) which hopefully will clear up some of this flat earth issue. It does seem, some folks are not looking at all the quotes here, just like the Illuminati-ites grab a few quotes from here and there -- out of context.
More than a few devotees called and wrote to ask PADA, what with all the bogus and even apparently criminal problems going on in and around ISKCON, how can people find time to try to establish -- that the earth is a flat pancake shape, surrounded by a giant ice wall? Aren't there more important issues we need to deal with?
The shape of the earth is not our real problem at this point, and neither are the Illuminati-ites. Hopefully these quotes will help clear up a few things. Sadaputa dasa gave a pretty good analysis of this issue. If there is a better explanation (without hard to figure out You tube videos with difficult charts and graphs) let us know. A friend of PADA's, a Vedic Jyotish fellow, says his Vedic astronomy calculations are based on -- a round globe earth. angel108b@yahoo.com ys pd]
720403SB.MEL Lectures
Prabhupada: No. There is seven planetary systems over us and seven planetary systems down also. Therefore this universe is called caturdasa-bhuvana: “Fourteen planetary systems.” This is called Bhurloka. Above this, there is Bhuvarloka. Above that, there is Janaloka. Above that, there is Maharloka. Above that, there is Satyaloka. Above that, there is Brahmaloka, the highest planetary system. Similarly, down also, we have got Tala, Atala, Talatala, Vitala, Patala, Rasatala. This information we get from Vedic literature, fourteen worlds. Each and every universe is consisting of these fourteen planetary systems, and there are innumerable universes.
So that we also get information from Brahma-samhita. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means this universe is a big, I mean to say, volume. Just like anda, egg. EVERYTHING, EVERY PLANET IS JUST LIKE EGG. THIS BRAHMANDA, THIS UNIVERSE, IS ALSO LIKE EGG. SO THERE ARE MANY MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF JAGAD-ANDA. And in each and every jagad-anda, kotisu vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam, there are innumerable planets also. So these are the information we get from Vedic literature. If you like, you can accept. If you don’t like you can reject. That is up to you. Yes?
730930BG.BOM Lectures
That point is missing. Real enjoyer or proprietor is Krsna. Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. He’s the proprietor. Sarva loka, not only of this loka, earthly planet, but there are innumerable planets within this universe and there are innumerable universes also, not one universe. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means universe. It is just like EGG SHAPE. ANDA. You can see this universe, the sky is…, horizon. So it is just like egg shape. ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE they are called ANDA, jagad-ANDA, brahmANDA. So this jagad-ANDA.
720403SB.MEL Lectures
Prabhupada: No. There is seven planetary systems over us and seven planetary systems down also. Therefore this universe is called caturdasa-bhuvana: “Fourteen planetary systems.” This is called Bhurloka. Above this, there is Bhuvarloka. Above that, there is Janaloka. Above that, there is Maharloka. Above that, there is Satyaloka. Above that, there is Brahmaloka, the highest planetary system. Similarly, down also, we have got Tala, Atala, Talatala, Vitala, Patala, Rasatala. This information we get from Vedic literature, fourteen worlds. Each and every universe is consisting of these fourteen planetary systems, and there are innumerable universes.
So that we also get information from Brahma-samhita. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means this universe is a big, I mean to say, volume. Just like anda, egg. EVERYTHING, EVERY PLANET IS JUST LIKE EGG. THIS BRAHMANDA, THIS UNIVERSE, IS ALSO LIKE EGG. So there are many many, many millions of jagad-anda. And in each and every jagad-anda, kotisu vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam, there are innumerable planets also. So these are the information we get from Vedic literature. If you like, you can accept. If you don’t like you can reject. That is up to you. Yes?
751101SB.NAI Lectures
That is described in the sastra. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Krsna’s body is bluish or blackish; therefore you see the sky bluish because the rays in the spiritual world is effulgence, bluish effulgence, and that is being reflected through the sky. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. His bodily light is being reflected in millions and trillions of universes. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda. Jagad-anda means… ANDA, IT IS ROUND. ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. WE DON’T SAY IT IS FLAT. SASTRA NEVER SAYS, “FLAT.” THEN YOU CORRECT, “NO, NO, IT IS NOT FLAT. IT IS ROUND.” THIS IS SASTRA. LONG, LONG YEARS, IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS CALLED ROUND, ANDA. GOLOKA, GO, GOLOKA, BHURLOKA. GOLOKA MEANS ROUND. GOLOKA VRNDAVANA. EVERYTHING IS ROUND. SO JAGAD-ANDA. ANDA, ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. THE EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE IS EGG SHAPE; IT IS COVERED. SO YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI KOTISU.
AND EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE, KOTISU… IN EACH, NOT THAT IN ONE UNIVERSE. WE SEE SO MANY UNIVERSES, ONE UNIVERSE, BUT THERE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI KOTISU ASESA-VASUDHADI BHINNAM. AND IN EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE THERE ARE SO MANY PLANETS, ASESA, YOU CANNOT COUNT–UNLIMITED–IN ONE UNIVERSE, AND THERE ARE MILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. What is your material knowledge? What do you know? You are trying to go to the moon planet. That is also you committing mistake. And what about the millions of universes?
751004SB.MAU Lectures
“My dear Arjuna, how long I shall describe you about My opulence? I summarize it that this material world is only one-fourth manifestation of My opulence.” Ekamsena sthito jagat. This material world means… You have… We have got experience about this universe up to the sky, as far as we can see, the horizon. This is one universe. And there are millions of universes like this. That is stated in the Brahma-samhita, that yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti-kotisv asesa-vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam. Yasya prabha. The Lord’s effulgence is Brahman effulgence.
WITHIN THAT BRAHMAN EFFULGENCE THERE ARE INNUMERABLE UNIVERSES, JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. JAGAD-ANDA MEANS THIS BRAHMANDA. ANDA. IT IS ROUND; IT IS NOT FLAT. ANDA, JUST LIKE EGG. KOTI. KOTI MEANS INNUMERABLE. And in each universe… Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti kotisv asesa-vasudhadi. In each brahmanda there are unlimited number of planets and stars, asesa-vasudha. And vibhuti-bhinnam. And each planet is differently situated. Each planet has got specific atmosphere, specific arrangement. Just like the sun globe. The sun globe is fiery.
The moon, moon planet, it is very pleasing. There is also fire, but it is surrounded by cold atmosphere; therefore it is very pleasing. So vibhuti-bhinnam. Each every planet has got different atmosphere. And each and every planet, there are different kinds of living entities just suitable for that atmosphere. Don’t think that in the sun planet there is no life. There is also life. If there is no life, how Krsna says that imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam? Vivasvate means… The king of sun planet is known as Vivasvan. So Krsna spoke with him, so how you can say there is no life? This is material world, many millions of universes. In another place it is said, yasyaika-nisvasita-kalam athavalambya jivanti loma-bilaja jagad-anda-nathah.
661203CC.NY Lectures
Now, Lord Caitanya says, Vaikuntha. JUST LIKE THIS UNIVERSE IS A JAGAD-ANDA, IS A BIG ROUND BALL, ANDA. ANDA MEANS EGGLIKE, JUST LIKE EGG IS ROUND. THEREFORE IT IS CALLED BRAHMANDA. IT IS A ROUND BALL. EVERY PLANET IS ROUND, AND THE UNIVERSE IS ALSO ROUND, AND THE VAIKUNTHAS ARE ALSO ROUND, ALL ROUND. Vaikuntha, brahmanda-gana–sakti-karya haya. So all these universes, the universe which we experience… There are innumerable universes that we cannot see. We can see only one universe, and in one universe there are innumerable planets. Similarly, there are innumerable universes, and in each universe there are innumerable planets
730930BG.BOM Lectures
That point is missing. Real enjoyer or proprietor is Krsna. Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. He’s the proprietor. Sarva loka, not only of this loka, earthly planet, but there are innumerable planets within this universe and there are innumerable universes also, not one universe. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. JAGAD-ANDA MEANS UNIVERSE. IT IS JUST LIKE EGG SHAPE. ANDA. YOU CAN SEE THIS UNIVERSE, THE SKY IS…, HORIZON. SO IT IS JUST LIKE EGG SHAPE. ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE THEY ARE CALLED ANDA, JAGAD-ANDA, BRAHMANDA. So this jagad-anda…
720403SB.MEL Lectures
Prabhupada: No. There is seven planetary systems over us and seven planetary systems down also. Therefore this universe is called caturdasa-bhuvana: “Fourteen planetary systems.” This is called Bhurloka. Above this, there is Bhuvarloka. Above that, there is Janaloka. Above that, there is Maharloka. Above that, there is Satyaloka. Above that, there is Brahmaloka, the highest planetary system. Similarly, down also, we have got Tala, Atala, Talatala, Vitala, Patala, Rasatala. This information we get from Vedic literature, fourteen worlds. Each and every universe is consisting of these fourteen planetary systems, and there are innumerable universes. So that we also get information from Brahma-samhita. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means this universe is a big, I mean to say, volume.
JUST LIKE ANDA, EGG. EVERYTHING, EVERY PLANET IS JUST LIKE EGG. THIS BRAHMANDA, THIS UNIVERSE, IS ALSO LIKE EGG. SO THERE ARE MANY MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF JAGAD-ANDA. AND IN EACH AND EVERY JAGAD-ANDA, KOTISU VASUDHADI-VIBHUTI-BHINNAM, THERE ARE INNUMERABLE PLANETS ALSO. SO THESE ARE THE INFORMATION WE GET FROM VEDIC LITERATURE. If you like, you can accept. If you don’t like you can reject. That is up to you. Yes?
740119SB.HAW Lectures
SO YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. JAGAD-ANDA MEANS THIS ONE UNIVERSE, AND ANDA… ANDA MEANS EGG. THEREFORE IT IS CALLED JAGAD-ANDA, “EGGLIKE, ROUND.” WE ARE WITHIN THE EGG. YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF EGGSLIKE CLUSTERED TOGETHER. THIS IS MATERIAL WORLD. MILLIONS, NOT ONE. AND EACH UNIVERSE… KOTISU VASUDHADI-VIBHUTI-BHINNAM. IN EACH UNIVERSE THERE ARE MILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF STARS AND PLANETS. KOTISU VIBHUTI-BHINNAM. AND EACH ONE OF THEM IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER. Just like you are going to, trying to go to the moon planet, but you cannot stay there because the atmosphere is different.
Everything is there. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti-kotisu vasudhadi. Vasudha means planets. This is also called vasudha, this planet. So just imagine what insignificant this vasudha in comparison to the whole material world. There are millions of universes, and in each and every universe there are millions and trillions of the stars and planets. This is the whole creation of material world. And taking them together, this is one-fourth creation of God. The three-fourths creation is the spiritual world, and in that spiritual world, the topmost planet is called Goloka Vrndavana. That is the place of Krsna.
751101SB.NAI Lectures
That is described in the sastra. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Krsna’s body is bluish or blackish; therefore you see the sky bluish because the rays in the spiritual world is effulgence, bluish effulgence, and that is being reflected through the sky. YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. HIS BODILY LIGHT IS BEING REFLECTED IN MILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. JAGAD-ANDA. JAGAD-ANDA MEANS… ANDA, IT IS ROUND. ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. WE DON’T SAY IT IS FLAT. SASTRA NEVER SAYS, “FLAT.” THEN YOU CORRECT, “NO, NO, IT IS NOT FLAT. IT IS ROUND.” THIS IS SASTRA. LONG, LONG YEARS, IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS CALLED ROUND, ANDA. GOLOKA, GO, GOLOKA, BHURLOKA.
GOLOKA MEANS ROUND. GOLOKA VRNDAVANA. EVERYTHING IS ROUND. SO JAGAD-ANDA. ANDA, ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. THE EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE IS EGG SHAPE; IT IS COVERED. SO YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI KOTISU. AND EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE, KOTISU… IN EACH, NOT THAT IN ONE UNIVERSE. We see so many universes, one universe, but there are many millions of universes. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti kotisu asesa-vasudhadi bhinnam. And in each and every universe there are so many planets, asesa, you cannot count–unlimited–in one universe, and there are millions of universes. What is your material knowledge? What do you know? You are trying to go to the moon planet. That is also you committing mistake. And what about the millions of universes?
KRSNA IS ALWAYS EXISTING WITH INNUMERABLE FORMS. HOW? ANDANTARA-STHAM PARAMANU-CAYANTARA-STHAM. ANDANTARA-STHAM. ANDA MEANS THIS UNIVERSE. IT IS JUST LIKE AN EGG. ANDA MEANS EGG. ALL THESE PLANETS AND UNIVERSES, THEY ARE MADE ON THE SHAPE OF EGG. ANDANTARA-STHAM.
So each and every universe, Krsna enters as Garbhodakasayi Visnu. Just like within matter, when there is male and female, sex, it becomes just like a small pea. That is also egglike, emulsified. And the living entity enters, and then the pea form becomes developed into a body. Similarly, without entrance of spirit, no matter can develop. Matter itself cannot develop. There must be spirit soul; then it develops. Pregnancy is formed when the spirit soul is there within the matter. Not that simply material secretion makes life. That is foolish understanding. Without spiritual spark being entered within the matter, it does not develop. Just like if a dead child is born, the form of the child may be preserved some by chemical process, but it will not develop.
The developing process is stopped immediately, as soon as the spirit spark is gone out of it. So the conclusion is, matter cannot develop without spirit being within. So this material world, it is developing. The modern scientists also agree that the universe is increasing in volume. Why? Because Krsna has entered within this universe as Garbhodakasayi Visnu. Therefore it is developing. So there are innumerable universes, and so therefore there are innumerable Garbhodakasayi Visnus. Because without Visnu entering, this universe cannot develop. And the first creature is Brahma. From the navel of Garbhodakasayi Visnu, a lotus flower is grown. And upon that, Brahma is the first creature. So the first creature is the most intelligent person. So Darwin’s theory cannot be applicable because his theory is that human form develops after many evolution. That is another process. That is also stated in the Padma Purana. That is called jiva-paryaya. But this is not a fact, that in the, during…, in the beginning of the creation there was no human being or intelligent creature. The first creature is Brahma, who has created this universe.
76-10-03. Letter: Madhava
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 22nd Sept. 1976 and have noted the contents. Regarding details of the universe, be satisfied by reading only Bhagavatam. What is the use of reading other books–you are not going there. SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND.
76-10-03. Letter: Madhava
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 22nd Sept. 1976 and have noted the contents. Regarding details of the universe, be satisfied by reading only Bhagavatam. What is the use of reading other books–you are not going there. SOME PORTION OF THE EARTH IS FLAT. WHEN YOU STAND IN ANY PLACE YOU SEE FLAT, SO FOR US TO SOME EXTENT IT APPEARS FLAT, BUT IT IS ROUND.
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