PADA: ISKCON REFORM Movement (IRM) was started by Adridharana das, Ex Iskcon Temple President of Calcutta and Krishna Kanta Desai.
The IRM Iskcon Revival Movement, founded in India by Adridharana Dasa, Temple President ISKCON Calcutta, started out very nicely [Sep. 1999], with the noble idea to initiate a reform to counteract the deviations of Iskcon's bogus GBC Guru Leadership. Needless to say the GBC did not like it and they fought against him.
The good thing Adridharana did was trying to launch a lawsuit against the bogus GBC gurus in India for the purpose of establishing the worship of Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON. The bad thing Adridharana did, was mis-interpreting Prabhupada's Ritvik statements and his effort to negate Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint. Because of compromising on these issues, Adri's IRM has degraded into the Iskcon Reform Masquerade.
The actual story for Adri distancing himself from Srila Prabhupadas poison complaint (although in reality a supporter of it) was when he brokered deal with the GBC's to save himself from being investigated for bookkeeping errors, something which can be devastating in India.
Adri told me in 1997 to stop writing the PADA news and drop the poison case, and he would pay for me to live in the Caribbean as a retired person, because he was using me as a bargain chip in negotiations with the GBC gurus. PADA had to be stopped. Of course, had I gone to the Caribbean to live a retired life, I would have been assassinated there more easily since its out of the control of USA law enforcement, which is what actually has kept me alive. Anyway, he and Krishna Kanta were having back door meetings with Jayapataka and others, and they thought they could "reform" these fellows. We had no faith the leaders could be reformed.
Meanwhile, it does not seem that compromising with the poison issue has saved Adri from GBC harassment? He seems to have virtually disappeared or gone into hiding, perhaps because, the GBC is pursuing him legally for fraud? So that means he should have listened to PADA, and made the poison complaint and other GBC crimes the main issue, and that would had made Adri's book keeping errors a minor issue.
Instead, his book keeping became the main issue, and that torpedoed his other efforts. Adri even opposed our idea of helping get hundreds of "gurukula" children pulled out of the schools where they were being mistreated. Adri and KK were another group of persons who wanted to have these hundreds of children to stay in conditions of suffering, so he and Krishna Kanta wanted these children to be sacrificed to save their "reform."
Of course even I had to be sacrificed by going to an un-safe location where I could be easily targeted for assassination. Again, Adri and the IRM should have helped me save the children instead of opposing our saving them, and that would have been leverage they could have used to strengthen their Calcutta case.
So Adri compromised, just to try to keep his post of Temple president of Calcutta, Adridharana was ready to compromise with them, all this despite the fact that Adridharana was IN THE ROOM when the poison complaint was made in 1977 by Srila Prabhupada and Adri COVERED IT UP. Adri told PADA editor he was in the room and he was alarmed at the poison complaint.
The sad story: in the end Adri could not keep his post as Temple president of Calcutta and was removed to the point where even a city court directed the Calcutta police to arrest former the president of ISKCON's city unit, Adridharan Das, for alleged misappropriation of funds and cheating. In other words, he took a pea shooter into the Battle of the Bulge, whereas we said he should have used more of a criminal complaint counterpoint to the GBC, but he wanted to use the "nice guy" approach.
The best thing which came out of this whole IRM / IRG muddle is, that the Bangalore Temple in India realized how badly the GBC treats people from this episode, so they wanted to be completely independent from Iskcon and no longer controlled by Iskcon's deviated GBC Guru Leadership. The ISKCON Bangalore Temple has become a Prabhupada Temple.
Krishna Kanta still says that the initiations in Bangalore are bogus because we need to wait for the GBC to adopt his reform, because initiations can only take place in the official GBC (bogus guru) controlled ISKCON properties. OK but what about the fact that many so-called ISKCON temples are owned by separate charities and they are not even corporate ISKCON anymore?
And what about the fact that Radhanatha's Bombay Program never were part of ISKCON? Ummm, and what happens if the GBC never adopts his IRM reform? And apart from that, KK also opposed our making a lawsuit for the changed books, he opposed our lawsuit to have hundreds of children pulled out of abusive conditions, he opposes the poison issue ... in sum he wants to play patty cakes and not get serious about defeating the bogus gurus.
Court orders arrest of ISKCON's former city president
HindustanTimes.Com Friday, 18 March , 2005, 10:11
Kolkata: A city court on Thursday directed the police to arrest former president of ISKCON's city unit, Adridharan Das, for alleged misappropriation of funds and cheating. The Sub-divisional Judicial Magistrate (SDJM), Alipore, directed the police to pursue the non-bailable arrest warrant, which was issued on December 9, 2002, following Adridharan's failure to comply with his assurance before the Supreme Court to surrender before the SDJM on Thursday.
Adridharan had been accused of misusing his power as president of ISKCON's Kolkata unit and was removed from the post. He then moved a petition before Calcutta High Court challenging his removal, but the court approved his removal.
However, it was alleged that Adridharan, without revealing his removal from the post, had subsequently received huge sum of money and other favours in the name of ISKCON. Dayaram Das, who was appointed as new president of the ISKCON unit, filed a case of cheating, misappropriation of funds and forgery against Adridharan before SDJM, Alipore.
[PADA: Hee hee, right, we told Adri to say that Dayaram was part of a deviant guru program, and expose that in the media to counter these GBC guys, but nope, he and Krishna Kanta said that would be too heavy, would be bad language, would jeopardize ISKCON, etc. They wanted to make a deal with these GBC folks. Really!
So they suffered defeat as a result. These people still say our idea of countering the GBC with heavier points is bogus and wrong, but look at the results, Adri apparently had to go away and hide out in the hills somewhere and he lost his post in Calcutta. Their hesitation simply ruined his program and perhaps ruined his life. We are still getting complaints from some of these people that our approach is too strong, but their approach, ok it does not work?]
Adridharan, who then left for Bangalore, moved the district court there in August, 2002, and prayed for anticipatory bail. The court asked him to surrender before Alipore SDJM within 10 days. However, he failed to turn up before the court and an arrest warrant was issued by SDJM.
His pleas for anticipatory bail were rejected by the Alipore sessions court and then by the Calcutta High Court in November 2003. He filed a Special Leave Petition (SLP) against the order before the Supreme Court, which rejected his prayer on February 21 this year.
[PADA: Was Adri getting paid a salary from 1977- 1997 to "manage" the ISKCON society under Jayapataka? Was he aware that the GBC, instead of managing properly, had the devotees under their managing scheme banned, beat and sometimes killed? And the children under this managing scheme report they were being neglected and abused. In any case we think Adri is a criminal, he hid the poison complaint, which is a criminal action.]
DEAR PADA: I guess since they left it "open" and Vinihita and others pointed out how IRM stole your writings and from Sulochana, and took credit for that by themselves. You are also right, Adri implicated himself with the poison issue, he was there at the time Srila Prabhupada said something about himself being poisoned. In short they have been shown to be Liars, Plagerizers, Twisters of Truth, Cheaters, Cheated, with an Agenda to bring back something Bad and Dead.
PADA Newsletter, May 14, 2000
Dear Puranjana Prabhu, pamho. Agtsp.
The actual story for Adri distancing himself from the poison issue is as follows:
Actually Adri was a supporter of the poison issue ever since the issue got highlighted sometimes in 1997-98. until then I had never heard him discussing the issue with anyone. The ritvik issue started sometimes in ’96. He got obsessed with it. So obsessed he also gave the poison book by Nityananda to his lawyers for consideration if that can be used against the GBC or the gurus in any way.
This is the time when KK became his life & soul.
[PADA: And KK was always against pada for our exposing dirt tactics. So, the poison issue was to KK simpy another clod of dirt, never mind that Srila Prabhupada says it is causing him distress directly. Directly. Directly. Directly. Directly.]
KD: Nothing wrong with this, of course! Then the court case happened in march’99. Then many developments took place between Cal & Mayapur (MPR). His main source of income was from Gurusaday Road property which he gave on rent for 3 lacs per day. Some days it was 3 and a half or even 4 also.
Then from MPR Dayaram (DRD) gave a complaint letter to the Fire Services Dept & also to the Calcutta Corporation. This was followed by a letter by JPS to the Corporation saying that Adri didn’t have permissions from the ISKCON Bureau which is the managerial body for ISKCON in India. A Bureau meeting was set up to be held on 20th October. Adri knew his day had come. His accounts were completely in disarray. He had some accounts but no proper accounts although during the seasons there were parties almost daily. He filed a case in the Calcutta High court pleading that the Bureau meeting not be allowed.
His request was not granted by the HC but it gave a ruling that whatever was decided in the Bureau meeting should be brought up before the HC in order to take effect. Adri went to the meeting. He had Madhu Pandit lined up for another case in the Charity Commissioner’s office. In this case they brought out the point that how the foreigners can be in Bureau & rule in India? This case is still pending & we do not know the present position of this case.
Anyway, the meeting took place on the scheduled 20th of October. All the Bureau members were present. JPS, BCS, GKG, Bhakti Swarup Damodar Swami, Sridhar Swami, Adri, Madhu Pandit, Bhima, Bhakta Rupa, Jasomatinandan, Mahaman, Kadamba Kanan Swami, Lokanath Swami, Devakinandan, Basu Ghosh, & others. Total 18 of them are Bureau members. In that meeting Adri blackmailed the gurus, specially targeting JPS. Since they brought out the point of his accountability, he also charged them with the same. Finally they reached a settlement, that no one will blaspheme anyone with charges of non-accountability.
A letter was presented in the meeting which was written by Adri to his lawyers in which he had implored his lawyers to look for a way so that the poison book by Nityananda can be used against the gurus & GBC. Again a verbal war started. Adri could not deny as the letter written & signed by him was there for proof. Anyway after the blacklash by the Bureau members Adri finally promised that he will not raise the poison issue against them. The meeting lasted for the whole day of 20th October, whole day & night of 21st October & finished on the 22nd of October just around mangal arati time.
That was the end. Ever after that Adri never went ‘against’ the GBC as far as the poison issue is concerned. Moral of the above article: Just to keep his post of TP, Adri is ready to compromise on anything.
Ys, Krishna Das (pen name)
[PADA: This letter explains the whole poison issue v. IRM in a pretty good summary. This account is from a person who has inside contacts in the Calcutta/ Mayapura scene. It details how Adri brokered a deal with other GBCs (like Jayapataka) over the poison issue in order to save himself from being investigated for bookeeping errors, something which can be devastating in India. "To save his own behind" in other words.
Another person close to Adri also said the same thing to me on the phone, that he was going ahead with the poison idea and Nityananda's book until Krishna Kanta advised against it. That is also why KK advised going to CHAKRA, because KK wanted to diffuse the poison issue and make himself the de facto "latter day saint of the reformed, reformed, reformers," and make a sort of IRM/ reform/ CHAKRA compromise to win back the whole of ISKCON.
Of course, back to what? And he would be the head of this hodge podge. In sum, Adri was afraid of the GBC exposing him in his bookeeping and so he brokered a deal in order to save his hide, and KK was the handy tool to help keep this brokered deal alive with a "writer." As we all know, KK is the real writer of "Adri's" papers, something everyone complains of all along. So there was deal brokering from the get go.
It also shows how Krishna Kanta saw this weakness in Adri as his "go ahead signal" to disrupt the reform by making himself the new nyayaka logician of "the new way things are going to be run." Of course, KK said that this is what Hansadutta was going to do, be the maverick that ruined the reform. Yet KK has done ten thousand percent more damage than Hansadutta could dream of doing in destroying the reform. And now that everyone is arguing whether the words "I am being poisoned" is direct or indirect, the nyayaka is happy. He monkey wrenched the reform. Simply wonderful.
This also occured at Kurukshetra, some people took the side of Duryodhana and they could not be wedged from that, because they had brokered a deal and they were going to benefit from that. Or at least, they thought they were. So this would make KK the Duryodhana of the reform, he has fractured it better than the GBC could have ever done simply because he was not getting recognized as the next big cheeze writer he thinks he is, and worse, by stealing everyone else's writings from VVR, pada, Yasodanandana, The Betrayal and etc. KK even says he did not borrow any ideas from me, despite that he had made phone calls to me before he wrote anything where he honed his ideas. In America we have a saying, "I hope I can become as wonderful as my dog thinks I am."]
From: Pada Newsletter - 09. April 2005
IRM - another bogus group whose aims are political
by Madhudvisa das
Dear Puranjana Prabhu
Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Sankarsana is right in defeating the bogus philosophy of the IRM with quotes from Srila Prabhupada. IRM say Srila Prabhupada never intended his disciples to become diksa gurus, ever. Sankarsana has pointed out that this is incorrect and he has proved it with Prabhupada quotes. He is confusing the IRM philosophy with the philosophy of the Prabhupadanugas. We have to make this clear distinction. IRM is just another bogus group whose aims are political. They want to take over the management of ISKCON. They have misinterpreted Prabhupada's teachings to suit their own ends. Their misinterpretation may seem to be better than ISKCON's misinterpretation, however, it is equally bogus. I have said from the day I first read Krishna Kanta's "Final Order" that any organization based on Krishna Kanta's philosophy will fail. The IRM have done more damage than any other group in the pushing on of Srila Prabhupada's movement.
They have destroyed the credibility of the ritvik system by presenting misrepresentations of Prabhupada's teachings as the "ritvik" philosophy. Yes. Srila Prabhupada established a ritvik system to continue the initiations after he left his body, but at the same time he instructed his disciples to become qualified diksa gurus and when qualified he wanted them to preach and accept disciples. The order is already there. Any one of Srila Prabhupada's disciples can accept that order and become a pure unalloyed devotee of Krishna and preach and if people come to him and want to become his students he can accept them. That is diksa guru. But one has to be QUALIFIED first. We have discussed this and the other points raised in this letter in great detail in other articles.
[PADA: Correct, Srila Prabhupada says (for example on the May 28th tape) that a future guru could be made "by my order," and yet the IRM says Srila Prabhupada is forbidden from making "more orders" -- for the next 10,000 years. He is dead and gone, same as the GBC fool-osophy? Sorry, Srila Prabhupada never said he could only "give an order" -- AFTER -- 10,000 years has passed? This is mental speculation by the IRM. Srila Prabhupada neither say he would, or would not, give this "order" under any time restrictions. This has created a problem because whereas Srila Prabhupada says he can give an order to make gurus, the IRM says he is forbidden to do so unless Srila Prabhupada first gets "the order" from Krishna Kanta Desai to speak. So the IRM has confused people over the actual instructions of His Divine Grace.]
* There is no question, it is Prabhupada's mission to create at least one pure devotee of Krishna, hopefully many, who will be able to preach, accept disciples and push on this Krishna consciousness movement. Prabhupada has stated this himself many times using the analogy of the Moon and the stars. He refers to a pure devotee of Krishna as being like a Moon and mixed devotees as being like stars. He says, "What is the use of so many stars in the presence of the one Moon?" The full Moon can flood the earth with light. But the stars can not do anything. So it is Prabhupada's mission to create at least one Moon.
[PADA: Agreed, if Srila Prabhupada could have a nicely qualified, actually pure representative, that would be better than the many clowns, idyoots and ersatz Vishnupadas that have tried to pose as his representatives artificially.]
* The IRM philosophy states that all the quotes in Prabhupada's books referring to becoming a guru are only talking about becoming siksa guru and that Prabhupada never intended any of his devotees to become qualified diksa gurus at all.
[PADA: Yes, the IRM has twisted the shastra. Srila Prabhupada never said he only wanted his disciples to advance to the level of shiksha gurus, and not advance beyond that point? Where does he say that? We have challenged the IRM to produce specific quotes about this and -- there are none.]
* They believe Prabhupada had no intension whatsoever that any of his disciples would ever become like the full Moon that illuminates the dark night. Rather they want all Prabhupada's devotees to remain stars who can do nothing at all to illuminate the darkness of this Kali-yuga. So IRM are trying to frustrate Prabhupada's mission by claiming that Prabhupada did not want any of his disciples to become self-effulgent Vaisnava acaryas at all. Rather, according to the IRM, we should all remain useless mixed devotees, useless stars who can do nothing to help anyone... Like the glowworms that can show some shining power in the dark night but are completely useless during the day in the presence of the Sun.
[PADA: Well yes, but we also should be careful not under-emphasize the role of the neophytes too much, and discourage them as being "useless." If they combine together and work nicely, they can do a lot of good preaching, and be quite "useful," but only providing that they are sincerely worshipping the bona fide acharya by the system he established. For example, the followers of Lord Jesus Christ are not pure either, but they have spread his name and glories all over the planet by their working combinedly and "cooperating." Srila Prabhupada DOES in FACT order his neophyte followers to do just that, "cooperate and preach together nicely." So the neophytes can do something, by combined efforts, and Srila Prabhupada said "your love for me will be shown how you cooperate together." At the same time, it is always better to have a professor give the class lecture than a student.]
* Sankarsana has quite rightly pointed out some of the bogus aspects of the IRM philosophy and he is confusing this with the philosophy of the Prabhupadanugas. IRM followers are KrsnaKantanugas, followers of Krsna Kant, not Prabhupadanugas. We should make that very clear.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Your servant Madhudvisa dasa
From: Pada Newsletter - 20. March 2005
The IRM - ritvik mis-interpretation
by Sankarshan Das Adhikari -
My Dear Vaisnavas, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
This (IRM) ritvik philosophy is the greatest enemy of our Krishna consciousness movement. It must be thoroughly eradicated. It has seeped into the consciousness, consciously or subsconscicously, of many devotees throughout the movement. It is a poison that will kill our movement if we do not strongly defeat it. It has been very cleverly presented just like the Mayavadi misinterpretation of the Vedas. It is poisoning and misguiding thousands and thousands of people who are interested in Krishna consciousness. In the following quote we can see confirmation from Srila Prabhupada that ritvik philosophy can prevent the Krishna consciousness movement from spreading:
[PADA: Jeepers dude, we are just glad that you finally woke up and realized there is "a problem" in ISKCON --at all. Under which rock have you been hiding? Problem is, you mis-identified the problem. The "ritviks" are the only organized group that has addressed the REAL problematic issues such as: your bogus gurus and their banning, beating, molesting and murder project, that have been going on left, right and center, while you were asleep at the switch and no one heard anything about you. Period. You are a day late and a dollar short. There are vast problems in ISKCON that have occured because people like you failed to recognize "the real problems." And you still think "the real problem" is -- that a group of us "ritvik" people have protested your banning, beating, molesting and killing guru system? Then again, some would say your "non-ritvik" gurus had poisoned Srila Prabhupada. That is "not a problem" for you either, is it? Yes, the real problem in ISKCON is that people -- protested -- your bogus guru lineage and its odious results.]
"The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarsaka-guru, siksa-guru and diksa-guru.
[PADA: Fine, except you have not mentioned "who" is your current "living" diksha guru? Or do you even have a living diksha guru? Srila Prabhupada says that when a disciple fails to give the name of his guru, he is a mayavadi. So, you are a mayavadi since your guru -- has no name. And while "guru" may apply generally to all categories of devotees, the pure devotee/ uttama is the only one who is authorized to be recognized as the parampara member. The Church's janitor (the kanistha/ aspirant) is also teaching "the same thing" that Jesus is teaching to some extent at least. And while that is good, but that does not mean: the janitor is Jesus/ uttama? You fail to discriminate these levels or how these levels have to integrate practically within an institution.]
* Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu (kiba vipra, kiba nyasi, sudra kene naya yei krsna-tattva-vetta, sei 'guru' haya), this Krsna consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world." >>> Ref. VedaBase => Purport to Madhya 8.128
[PADA: OK, but the kanistha/ sudra/ neophyte is still: not to be recognized "as good as Krishna" in purity? The neophyte is preaching -- up to the level of his realization -- but he has not yet attained perfected realization. This is why he is called at best a "class monitor guru," he is still a student, he is not the finished professor. You have failed to distinguish these levels of devotees, which are distinguished in all the Vedas and in particular in the writings of the Six Goswamis, they delineate the kanishta, madhyama, and uttama as distinct and separate levels. Also, the purport of this verse warns us -- not -- to initiate others (as diksha gurus)!]
* Carefully note how this defeats the ritvik notion that when Srila Prabhpuada says "Become Guru" that this means only siksa guru.
[PADA: That is not what the ritviks have said, and that is not what Madhya Lila says either. The ritviks have said that while Srila Prabhupada can order anyone to be a DIKSHA guru, he did not do that. He has only ordered managers, priests i.e. shiksha gurus. Now, if you know which specific person he has "ordered" to be the next diksha acharya, give us his name and we will check out your claim. Otherwise, this is all bluff. In short, while Srila Prabhupada CAN or MAY order someone to be a diksha guru, there is no proof that he has done so? Rather, the evidence suggests there has been a flurry of FALSE gurus instead.]
* Srila Prabhupada is clearly stating that the word guru in the kiba vipra verse applies to siksa, diksa, and vartma-pradarsaka gurus.
[PADA: We never said the verse does not apply to all types of gurus? You concocted this. We said that you have not named your alleged self-realized diksha guru, so you are bluffing when you imply that there is one uttama currently extant.]
* The riviks have made a big noise about the word "henceforward" in the July 9 letter citing the dictionary definition. However, Prabhpada's use of the word carries much more weight than the karmi dictionary.
[PADA: Well, unless you can tell us who your current uttama guru is, then we have to worship Srila Prabhupada "henceforward." You have not indicated how or where the "henceforward" has ended?]
... *For the time being while Srila Prabhupada was still physically manifest the ritvik system was functioning. And shortly after that, after his departure, the Guru Parampara system began to function.
[PADA: Oh swell, now you are saying you are a supporter of the deviants which is the "guru parampara" that evolved "after his departure."]
* The Guru Parampara system is clearly defined by Srila Prabhupada in the following quotes. Srila Prabhupada says, "We are interested in preparing acarya." The riviks don't want to read such quotes which are an anathema (vigorous denunciation) of their bogus philosophy.
[PADA: Well you bogus gurus were not sufficently "prepared" to be diksha gurus, were they?]
* "One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master." >>> Ref. VedaBase => Purport to SB 2.9.43
[PADA: But this does not automatically occur just at the departure of the guru: that all of his disciples are now suddenly self-realized diksha gurus? Neither did all of the disciples of Srila Sarasvati become bona fide diksha gurus after he departed?]
* "It is better to become acarya. Because we are interested in preparing acarya, but the etiquette is, at least for the period the guru is present, one should not become acarya. Even if he is complete he should not, because the etiquette is, if somebody comes for becoming initiated, it is the duty of such person to bring that prospective candidate to his acarya."
> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.13 -- Mayapur, April 6, 1975
[PADA: Where is your idea, that deviants became acharyas, found anywhere in any shastra?]
* Hoping this meets you fired up to drive ritvik philosophy off of the face of the earth,
Your servant, Sankarshan Das Adhikari
The End To The Ritvik Spekulation [Guru Issue]
by Urdhvaga das
Isha das: "I have always felt that Srila Prabhupada wanted those who He appointed Ritvik (as well as other qualified disciples) while he was with us to act as Guru on His departure."
Urdhvaga das: Of course Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to succeed him as guru. Definitely he wanted it, but, but, but, and here lies the big problem, he wanted qualified disciples, he wanted qualified gurus, not some show-bottle gurus, imitator gurus, self-appointed gurus, zonal-acarya gurus, woman-hater gurus, woman-lover gurus, homo-sex-gurus, harassing gurus, ex-communicating gurus, children-abusing gurus, murder-gurus, poison gurus, guru-killer gurus, disco gurus, cow-seller gurus, marijuana gurus, LSD gurus, gopi gurus, reformed gurus, no-mangala-arotik gurus, no-japa gurus, bunglow-sannyasi gurus, retreat gurus, Monika-varnasrama gurus, 3-regulative principles gurus, demon-crazy gurus, movie-mall-menaka gurus, 2/3 hand voted-in gurus, current-link gurus, etc, etc, etc.
Srila Prabhupada said: "First become qualified". We have nothing against any Iskcon gurus, but they first should aquire some qualification and not just imitate, they should not cheat.
Of course, a father likes to see his son to follow him. Of course a high-court judge likes to see his son to succeed him, but first the son has to qualify himself, otherwise he can not take the position of the father. If he tries without qualification to imitate the father, that means impostor, bogus, cheating.
Prabhupada: GURU CHEATING NOT EFFECTIVE (April 22.77).
Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear as a guru]. ...You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. ...What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU?
Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are ALL CONDITIONED SOULS, so we CANNOT BE gurus. MAYBE someday it may be possible....
Prabhupada: Hm. [agrees]
Tamala Krishna: ...but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, 'No you become acharya. You become authorized.' I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.
Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there. ...No rubber stamp.
Prabhupada: You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to be guru. A small temple and "guru." What kind of guru?
Srila Prabhupada: We haven't got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my...., that is DANGEROUS. ...That you are singing every day, "what our guru has said, that is our life and soul." ...As soon as this POISON will come-suppress guru and I become Brahman-everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, ...VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja.
...And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. ...Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE.
Srila Prabhupada: Don't be allured by cheap disciples. Go on steadfastly to render service first. If you immediately become guru, then the service activities will be stopped; and as there are so many cheap gurus and cheap disciples, without any substantial knowledge, and manufacturing new sampradayas, and with service activities stopped, and all spiritual progress choked up. (SPL (VI 1987) 68.8.17)
Srila Prabhupada: "This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want." (to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada: "I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually" - (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)
Jahnu das: "It is foolish beyond measure to impose the condition on Srila Prabhupada that he has to state 48 times that he wanted his disciples to become gurus. Where did Krishna Kant get that idea? Isn't it enough that Srila Prabhupada, as shown below consistently and explicitly expressed his desire for his disciples to succeed him as guru"
Dear Jahnu das,
if anything is foolish beyond measure, then it is people like yourself, who are averse to Srila Prabhupada's continued position as diksa / siksa guru. Please do not think that Srila Prabhupada is dead. Certainly those reason ill who think so. The problem with you people is that you rather like to follow self-appointed bogus gurus then to take shelter unto Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada clearly says in his letter to Madhudvisa that the GBC should all be the instructor gurus whereas he will be the initiator guru.
We should not be fooled by all those 2/3 hand voted in, self-appointed bogus isKcon gurus, who like conditioned souls, are falling down after some time, and who are preaching bogus philosophy such as the "current link philosophy", in support of "voted in successor acaryas", with a "less then liberated guru thesis" and a "minimum qualification theory", for adapting their "homosexual pedophile guru lineage" of conditioned souls into the pure guru-parampara, excluding Srila Prabhupada as a non physical link. This "current link philosophy" (http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/charu.htm) is completely nonsensical in any context and is not confirmed by shastra and is a negation of Srila Prabhupada's presence in his "vani". It is simply the same old bogus philosophy which has caused so much chaos in our movement.
We should not deceive ourselves into thinking that conditioned souls are infallible gurus. We rather should take shelter with Srila Prabhupada, who is the perfect guru for all. He will never disappoint us. Srila Prabhupada is still available for anyone who is sincere in his heart, but if Prabhupad is substituted for ordinary souls posing as gurus, then one certaily will be deceived.
Srila Prabhupada's ritvik instruction, outlined in his letter of July 9, addressed to all devotees is self- explanatory and anyone can understand it whose brain substance is not contaminated by bogus philosophy preached by Iskcons false successor acaryas, self appointed faggots gurus worshiped in a homosexual paedophile guru lineage. Religious propagandist and pseudo-gurus disguised as devotees exploiting the members and assets of the society. -Demoniac Kali-yuga disciples-
"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga." (CC.Madhy., Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)
"A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. Surrender by your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada: "I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves". "As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished." (Srila Prabhupada 1976).
"All of my disciples will take the legacy. If you want, you can also take it. Sacrifice everything. I--one--may soon pass away. But they are hundreds, and this movement will increase. It's not that I'll give an order: "Here is the next leader." Anyone who follows the previous leadership is a leader... All of my disciples are leaders, as much as they follow purely. If you want to follow, you can also lead. But you don't want to follow. Leader means one who is a first class disciple. Evam param parapraptam. One who follows is perfect." (SP BTG Vol. 13, No. 1-2)
Your's in the service of Srila Prabhupada